For the Sonic and Tails codenames, it's a blink it and you'll miss it moment, but the little brother does call Mirage Knuckles when he's checking on them in the final fight.
Mirage’s illusion are based off of schematics that are stored in his t-cog. So if he scanned a garbage truck he becomes the cab and the rest is cover by hard light illusions
Also Airazor is speculated/implied to have had her t-cog destroyed by a predacon who followed her group of maximals. That predacon is the one who eliminated the rest of Airazor’s away-team of sorts.
Noah, Elena and Charlie have really made me realise that humans dont have to be an annoying drag on the plot. This reboot era has them be active participants alongside the robots. Mirage and Noah feel like theyve become mates. I love how trusting Mirage is of this man that tried to break into him. I agree we should have gotten the Elena and Arcee moment, but I can buy her curiousity winning out over fear anytime. Lovely cast
@@lonewolf9578 Noah was a pretty good character, TF human characters seem to work best when they are a part of the military. He had an entire arc of setting aside his selfishness to save the world and had an interesting story with his brother.
@@HenryLouis21 They introduce him being a former member of the military and then do nothing with it And then there’s Elena who not only was only there for the plot but her actresses performance was terrible
@@lonewolf9578 He has military training and was a techie in the military, a skill which he used to make a living in New York. Hell, it actually paid off when he finally joined G.I. Joe so I say it went somewhere. Also, the actress for Elena was pretty descent and her performance was pretty good.
@@HenryLouis21 he literally does nothing with his military skills past his introduction when he works in the tv thing and then when he goes for the job interview And Elena’s acting and performance was terrible and felt unenthusiastic and wooden. It makes the acting from the rings of power cast look Oscar worthy
Regarding Scourge's mask, a list of cut content from the movie has been released and there was supposed to be a scene explaining Scourge's backstory and how he became a herald of Unicron. Most likely the mask coming off was supposed to be a callback to that. I'm hoping we'll get a director's cut with all that stuff added back in (except Wheeljack's sex jokes, I don't want to see that) With Unicron not being Earth in this movie and the mention of Mark Wahlberg, it feels like Caple Jr is trying to scream at us that the Bumblebee movie was a reboot but that one producer is holding a gun to his head so he can't outright say it.
he outright said it in a interview, both him and hasbro have said bumblebee and this movie are part of a soft reboot the producer is just a dumbass who thinks because its bumblebee and optimus its part of the same universe
I think they're going more for an X-men Days of Future Past set up personally, we reached a point in the originals where the writers wrote themselves into a wall (Just like X3) so we go back, redo history and then have the two points meet up, have a big ruck and set out on a new altered timeline where the Bay movies never happen, they're even following the X films decade jumping shtick too.
That makes sense. It REALLY feels, with the mention that he's the last survivor of his planet and the mask reveal, like there's something more going on with Scourge than we got to see, and I wanna know what!
@@NewtNewt117 The original script stated that Wheeljack was Arcee's ex-boyfriend and he was supposed to make some perverted sex jokes about her being inside him. Glad they cut that, it's very Michael Bay-ish in all the worst possible ways.
I would love if wheeljack showed up in every future movie but with a different accent and a different design each time. I just think it would be really funny
I think my favorite thing about the scene where Noah and Optimus and Primal work together is that “Arrival to earth” works as musical storytelling. In the original film, ATE is mainly used as the theme for the autobots and/or good guys, especially as an introduction to the autobots. It’s the phrase “Behold, the wonder of the transformers coming to our world” distilled into a musical score. It is played as a sort of greeting to us for the autobots. In ROTB, it’s not used as an introduction, we see Optimus and company and are introduced to them without ATE. So it’s use at the end seemed a bit odd at first to me. But then I realized it works as a way of complementing the fact that Optimus now sees earth as place with people worth saving, it’s not his pit stop to just leave in the dust, it’s his home. “Arrival to earth” acts as a way to tell us the audience “behold, the transformers are now truly dedicating themselves to earth”. It’s not a greeting, it’s a triumphant musical moment of two peoples coming together as one, it’s optimus arriving to earth in a mental sense, not a physical one. And that is awesome.
Arcee and Wheeljack admittedly don't do _much,_ but They DID have a cut romance arc/dynamic thing which would've absolutely cinched their presence in this movie Like Transit, it was unfortunately cut from the final movie, but _aaaaa_ man, why can't we just GET giant robots doing shit like being dorks and being into each other Also Wheeljack was apparently also supposed to offer Optimus his glasses while they were surveying Peru and before Noah and Elena infiltrate the parade, which would have been _hilarious_
I love the way they handled Primal’s name because it (A) was handled well and (B) hit the “never meet your heroes” trope. Primal basically goes, “man… this guy sucks.”
Was it "this guy sucks" or "this guy is at a crossroads and his constant failures are eating away at him, causing him to lash out" because I saw the latter I'll be honest.
I sort of feel the same way. I mean, I expected Sector 7, but if you wanna give me a movie of this same quality that features Optimus Prime and Duke doing cool shit together, then I'm totally down.
I loved Optimus’ mouth and nose. They hyper-accentuated how grumpy and depressed he was, and thank GOD Optimus Prime is finally allowed to have emotions after 36 years
The way I see Mirage’s multiple vehicle modes is as this. He has a large file full of 3D models for his holograms, and also for alternate vehicles to keep in hiding, so he has all the vehicles on file and can switch between them as he sees fit. And in terms of mass shifting into a garbage truck, I’ve heard someone theorise that he just turns into the main chassis and can and the entire garbage section is a hologram. That’s just my thoughts on Mirage and his many cars
I saw a comment from one of the film's designers that the Scourge face reveal was supposed to convey that he was a zombified husk taken over by unicron? Cool idea but I didn't catch it in the theater
I think Hasbro has dialed back somewhat on their "shared universe" ambitions, but they still seem very desperate to make G.I. Joe a 'thing', and are currently convinced the way to do that is to hitch it to the Transformers movie franchise.
I still have no idea how people think this is still in the Bayverse. I know the old director refuses to let it die and he's very vague, but the new director has very clearly stated that this is 100% in a new continuity and timeline. That being said, I really enjoyed this film. I'm looking forward to the future installments because apparently the next one has already been greenlit.
Unicron is the main proof it's a reboot because he's not the Earth. A lot of Energon vibes: Pink Motorcycle Arcee Maximals show up Terrorcons are the minions of Unicron
What if John Cena's character came back as Duke? think if they want to have military guys in a future movie, it doesn't really change much if they're Sector 7 or NEST or GI Joe. They don'T even need to focus on them at all, just be a couple dudes in funky uniform with as much focus as Rhinox and Cheetor got in this movie.
Got to agree with you on this: It's good to have Transformers back in the summer again! And this was a good film, as you said too. Not perfect; but not the Bayverse mind-numbing dribble either (Transformers creating everything, for example).
I think TF Prime having Unicron be the Earth was fine and it's a creative take. I actually liked the conflict of "how do you fight/kill the big bad WHEN YOU LIVE ON HIM?" Thing is, it was nice to see ONCE. The Bay films trying to ape the idea was cheap and felt like a knockoff, not to mention an idea you knew they weren't going to follow through on ever even if those movies DID continue. I guarantee that the next movie in line would have just forgot about it to do something else becuase that's what those movies have always done and everything they've ever baited or teased ended up being a throwaway misdirect. But I digress, I was fine with TF Prime doing it but yeah, It's not an idea we need to see again ever so I'm glad RotB brought him back to being an outside threat. Also, I'm fine with GI Joe being a shared universe because it technically always has been, but much like before, just let it be it's own thing. They did the one episode of G1 where they fought Cobra Commander (and I don't think they ever actually even named him as such but it was fairly obvious) but otherwise, the Joes and Transformers kept their adventures separate and to their own cartoons. They can take place in the same continuity but they don't need to be tied at the hip or even really interact with one another. Sure, after they've both had their own fun, you can do a big silly crossover event movie but then everybody has to back to their own homes after the slumber party's over and go back to playing by themselves again. I don't want to see them go full MCU and continue to pop in and out of each other's movies.
What this has over the Bayformer movies is a massive amount of heart and soul, and I love that about it. Yes it’s a pew pew action movie but it feels human
I genuinely thought it was going to be M.A.S.K. at the end, the organization having recovered the wreckage and bodies from Peru and using them as a basis for the transforming vehicles.
28:19 argree that Transfomers doesnt need GiJoe, but the ending felt more like GiJoe needs Transformers in order to get SOME box office success. Time, and a decent script, will tell.
I'm glad you mentioned the tower construction, that took me for a loop for a bit because I was expecting him to DM his Boo again and it didnt happen? The drive in line was still my favourite optimus moment in this movie, I think
Favorite joke of the movie: 'I'm not following you, i'm escapeing in the same direction' also that pre-credits scene made me giggle like a child. also...Noah's GI Joe Codename is probably going to be Dialtone or Breaker and i am here for it!
Probably the best Transformers movie in my opinion Also... if they MUST have military in the movies like in the previous ones... why not make them GIJoe?
For me, I think it's arguably one of the worst. Better than AOE and TLK, but not better than those first 3 films, I'm sorry bro. Especially when Prime was so damn WEAK in this film.
@@kennythetrend3688 It’s okay, everyone has their tastes and preferences. I don’t think Prime is weak at all, he’s as overpowered as in every movie, getting most of the kills, most of the battles and making all the other bots almost redundant, like in the other movies…
About the Sonic and Tails bit where you're talking about how Noah and his brother talk through the radio, Noah's brother does actually attempt to talk to Mirage after his supposed death and his codename was Knuckles which was pretty fun.
Haven't seen it yet, but Thew's enthusiasm during this review makes me more excited to. That and finally a Transformers movie that actually focuses primarily on the Transformers.
Two things I'd like to mention: 1.) Mirage's personality screamed out to me 'I'm G1 Hot Rod', but his abilities were definitely Mirage. So I can understand the naming. 2;) I'm hoping the G I Joe tie-in is more used in a Live Action G I Joe franchise instead of in future Transformers movies. G I Joe needs that connection more. I just want to see Channing Tatum, Dwayne Johnson, John Cena and Josh Duhamel as Joes.
The Sonic and Tails thing does come back! The little brother ends up calling Mirage Knuckles when they have the walkie talkie convos! I thought that was a cute detail but it was just in the one scene so totally understand it was easy to miss.
I think Wheeljacks design is the most controversial due to being the least G1 inspired of everyone, I still like it tho, and I love Stratosphere with all my being despite just being the Astrotrain of the Autobots
Maybe so but here it just feels wrong. To emphasize a time period as they did in "Being Erica" it is great. But for Transformers it has to to be heavy metal (or at least rock music).
Yeah, these films are reboots. The director has confrmed it multiple times. This film is way different from The 2022 version but hopefully a director cut comes out. The director also said that he wants to being in Megatron for the next movie. In his g1 form. (Rotb Megatron box art)
This was the best TF aside from the first one and Bbee. It felt like a high budget Saturday morning cartoon. Also got “avengers vs thanos” feels. Great review Thew!
I love that they play off Bumblebee's constant showboating and borrowing of one-liners throughout the films as just him being an impressionable young lad who's seen too many drive-in films and wants to look cool. Which is not helped by the fact that he's the only one in the group built for war from the get-go and is thus technically the most qualified next to Optimus. Overall I'm glad this is helping people understand that the Transformers kind of NEED human involvement to properly contextualize how cool the world is. Otherwise part of the appeal of them - being giant robots as a baseline with smaller ones being specialized members - is lost. IDW got away with it because they focused explicitly on the other half - they're living, feeling beings with an explicit humanity to them trying to figure out how the universe around them works and what's best for themselves. As for stuff like Mirage's shifting, I have a theory that most of the surviving Autobots are reincarnations/descendants of different members of the Thirteen Primes. Prime's a straight-up reincarnation of his first self(Has to learn how to extend olive branches), Mirage is Amalgamous (Always changing shapes), Arcee is either Solus or Alchemist (Fits her whole "Energon era motorcycle" look as a foreman for a mining operation), Wheeljack is Quintus (Strong appreciation for life in all forms), Boss Monkey is Onyx (Deeply spiritual and understands the flow of nature), Stratosphere is Vector(Energon exposure at the end of the film causes his body to effectively de-age a few hundred years) and Bumblebee is Prima (Bringer of hope for a brighter tomorrow) I'm also glad that most of the cybertronians that die get a bit of pathos attached to them, even Scourge to an extent since Optimus looks more disgusted with himself than happy, as if he realized this isn't who he wants to be and what he could be if he just stopped caring about things other than his own wants and desires. Airazor NOT exploding or falling to bits was a welcome surprise and it made Primal's whole euthanasia bear-hug feel haunting. It's kind of wild that he didn't get the kill on Scourge, but I'm also kind of refreshed by it since it implies he's already learned to cope with losing people close to him (And probably blew off the excess steam by reducing Battletrap into something resembling a pile of thoroughly-ignored road signs.) I think the mask-off moment for Scourge was meant to be some big hint that he has been through the goddamn WRINGER to get where he is now, and whatever did that to him is the only other time he knew shame until losing the Transwarp key.
14:20 I read that in an earlier cut it clarified that he was using his hologram abilities, at least with the dump truck, I'm not sure about the other cars he turned into tho
I was born in 04. I grew up with Bayverse. Growing up, I realized that the movies weren't great. However, hearing Arrival to Earth while seeing Noah face the odds, pulling for dear life to save Optimus, and Primal AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I CAN'T KEEP BEING PRETENTIOUS, I CRIEEEEDDD MY CHILDHOOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I think that we have seen a lot of military in the movies, it makes sense to make them GI Joe. I think it's a great idea and I'm excited to see the direction this franchise is going with them potentially being them. This is by far my favorite transformers live action movie. Very closely followed by the first one.
I don't mind that Wheeljack has an accent or is a VW Bus, but as a Latino, that "Racist Hermano" joke did not land whatsoever, and my dad rolled his eyes so hard at that scene lol. Also, honestly I dont hate the robot design, if they just instead made him a nice darkish green, and then have his tradional coil face with the glowing ears be for his battlemask, like Prime and Bumblebee have.
Ok as far as Noah goes Military part explains why he didn’t just back down to mirage, and set up that he actually knows how to fight so the exo suit wouldn’t be bs, also why he willingly decides to fight when he sees how big this really is The tech part He makes tech for the poor He fixed mirage He made the walk-in talkie him and Kris use I’d recommend watching again
It's probably just me... but Scourge's face reveal, kinda reminded me of Tarn... how he wears a mask, representing his affiliation (a terrorcon version) and how underneath that mask is a scarred up face... anyone else think that?
I really like how Scourge was a nobody under the mask. I know there was probably more to it but in the context of a film aimed at kids, it read to me as your bullies are just people under the mask, they aren't anyone who's got any special powers or destiny, they're just someone like you who hurts people to feel better. And I really liked that. (Idk this is probably me trying to pull something deep out of the film. I did like the kick though, clever way to escape a death grip on Mirage's part)
i think the alt mode shifting was a completely unique mirage power, we dont see anyone else do it and the terrorcons still scan alt modes if im remembering correctly
There was also a clip during Prime’s fight with Scourge where he rears his head when pushing the dude into the lava fall. I took that as Prime isn’t the blood thirsty killer of the Bay-verse. Only getting to that point when pushed to the absolute brink.
If we look at Bumblebee as G1 (80's) Rise of the Beasts as Beast Wars (90's) then my guess is the next mainline film will be Armada themed, set in 2003 and heavily feature minicons, we shall see how wrong I am 😅
I personally enjoyed the film, it's not a 10/10 cinematic masterpiece, you can probably pick apart plot and character and whatever, but who cares? I came to see transformers, and I got exactly that. Fun characters, big action, and some feels sprinkled in. Giving Scourge a big role as villain was a great idea. I love how these new movies are giving new villains before the inevitable Megatron appearance as the big bad. Overall, I'm liking the new direction and I really hope they keep going with this.
I accidentally made the theater crack up at Bumblebee's death Bumblebee: *dies* Prime: "this cannot bee" me whispering to friend: ".....was that a pun?" like four guys near me *uproarious laughter*
I’m glad people are getting the garbage truck. It’s hologram shenanigans. Lol. And it was wonderful to have bumblebee get sidelined for an EPIC respawn jump(ala Fortnite) and his design was BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! I did a livestream with some of the other guys in the YT sphere and we also looked at the laser scene like TF?
i feel like the reason that Transit was cut, was to like, "buildup" to Prime being kinda moody and then also have somewhat of an "arc," like the director was talking about. I don't mind "moody" OP because that's kinda what I like in a hero and I'm also happy they didn't go totally into Bayverse - they just left some parts and pieces in there, esp the end where he does a Mortal Kombat-style "fatality" on Scourge.
It was pretty good, wasn't Bumblebee great, but it was definitely a good showing. I think if it had a maybe 20-30 more minutes to flesh itself out and establish the new universe, it would of been WAY better, solid 6.5/10. Holy fuck mirage is amazing, I genuinely thought I wasn't going to like him but he actually made me full on laugh multiple times in the theatre. Also the Marky mark thing was golden. My personal list goes as such 1. DOTM 2. Bumblebee 3. 07 4. ROTB 5. AOE 6. ROFT 7. TLK
Why don't I see anyone comparing Noah's Exo Suit to the Delta Acceleration suits from first G.I.Joe live action movie (rise of Cobra) ... they look so similar. Am i the only one who sees it?
My fave scene was where Battletrap vs asked for a real fight then primal just hits him with a rock and prime was like. He was mine. Also was hoping nest was the ending too
Rise of the Beasts sure is awesome summer film that's belated tribute to BW anniversary from few years back. And I'll say, this folds in with BB as reboot to Cinematic TF series And considering that before this; we get to know that after this there be two more which gives more reason Unicron to be pushed back or as Primal put it; trapped in corner of the galaxy so it's gonna take long time for him to make arrival to Earth. Personalty; I would like prequel film before events of ROTB about Maximals time on Earth (which would allow us to see/know that were there more Maximals with Optimus Primal since Airrazor stated she was last one of her group) or set in they homeworld before Unicron's arrival. But we'll wait and see what future holds for this.
Ya, you pretty much summed up my feelings for ROTB. Could've had more scenes like Elena needing some reassurance to go with the team, Mirage being a heart of gold dickhead (to which I'm actually ok with his characterization, as we all know, most TFs don't really have a personality), Terrorcons being badasses (especially Battletrap who says nothing and fucks shit up), and actually focusing more on the TFs than the humans. Even when compared to BB, another good TF live action. Overall, a good TF movie. Can't wait for what the sequel brings. And Christ, I can't believe GI Joe is getting tied to this reboot. I really wished they hadn't.
I feel like a good explanation to come qith the fact that Optimus is so Brutal in Dark of the moon is not only because of the deaths of Ironhide and other bots, but also the deaths of so many civilians that were killed by the decepticons from the Seige of Chicago
17:56 100% DISAGREE. Que in DOTM at least FELT like a scientist, gave Sam the grapple hook that led to Starscream's death, AND his Death scene was really sad. I felt NOTHING for Pablo in this film.
Definitely had fun with the movie!! And yea… I agree with the GIJoe thing… it’s gonna be almost impossible to incorporate without drowning the transformers. Definitely the most fun I’ve had with transformers on the big screen! I’d say even more than bumblebee!
I disagree, but that's because I figure they're going to try and cram a human faction in there somewhere like they did with NEST/Sector 7, so why NOT use another Hasbro Brandname?
If they can use Transformers in a G I Joe movie, it could be good. They would have to take some notes from the MCU, and make Transformers like Iron Man 2 (post Avengers) where we know the Joes are there, but the transformers don't go to them for help. And Captain America in Winter Soldier doesn't go to Tony Stark for a Maguffin fix They both handled their own stories and worked together in a big cross-over. It's got potential, if they can do it right
The point of Scourge losing his mask was a clever little visual hint that this previously unstoppable force of nature that had handily defeated Optimus Freakin Prime in a 1-on-1 earlier was finally made vulnerable, mortal, defeatable. That was the moment that a ray of hope for our heroes shone through.
I'm real late to the party, didnt see it in theaters, but I don't think I've fistpumped and went "fuck yeah!" during the climax of a movie that much in a while. The exact moment you described, the dual "till all are one" followed by the reprisal of Arrival to Earth? Legendary. Tying "till all are one" into the themes of the film? Giving Optimus a character arc at all, and paralleling him with the human lead's character arc? Brilliant stuff. Bumblebee is still probably the more solid film overall, given that it's a smaller, more character-focused movie. Bumblebee was like an Iron Man or Captain America, RotB was The Avengers (complete with crystal space mcguffin and giant sky portal). But as the first full-fledged TF film doing the Bayverse scale, but under new creative direction? Absolute knockout. Really, the only issue is that the villains are pretty one-note, though like you said they're still fun. And the easy fix for this is just to bring back Megatron for the next movie, rebooted with new and interesting motivations. You could even make a cool little trilogy out of it: have Megs get shot into space on the brink of death at the end of TF8, maybe use a Marvel-style space bridge explosion to strand him in a pocket dimension, and then he meets up with Unicron and gets upgraded to Galvatron, so they can be the villains of TF9.
This movie was really good but not great...It would have really benefited from not having a Gi joe ending tease and some certain bits of dialogue but other then that I want more Transfomers movie's like this one
My only argumaent back regarding Wheeljack vs Arcee changes is that Arcee does look different from BB Movie, but that can be attributed to Cybertronian mode vs chosen earth mode, but she still kept her main design queues. Wheeljack finally got proper G1 treatment in BB, and then it was apparently decided that we needed to go back to the Bay-verse playbook of 'whatever we decide we want him to look like'. It was just sad to the drastic change from one movie to the next, again. 🙂
Finally saw this yesterday, and I'm so glad I caught it on the big screen. Soooo my transformers OC when I was a kid turned into a VW minibus, so that's a thing now. Right out of my head, except "Bigbug" was orange and white. (Yea, Bigbug, I was 9, what can I say?)
In Transformers terms, it's pretty watchable since they treat the robots as characters rather than props for the most part, plus Noah's motivations as a character hold some decent weight which kept me somewhat invested. A noticeable step up from the Bay films (and even Bumblebee, which I found an underwhelming riff on movies such as The Iron Giant) in my opinion. Judging it from a more general perspective, I do find it to end up being Just Another Summer Action Blockbuster when compared to say, Across the Spider-Verse. It's not doing anything especially adventurous or bold to really leave an impression on me plot wise, although they usually tend to nail the special effects for these films so there's that. Therefore, I feel confident to give it a 5/10. The tie in toys are good at least, and that's what the Transformers brand was founded on so I can't fault that really.
Depdends on who you ask. The original G1 Joe comic outlasted the Transformers comic and even spearheaded the Generation 2 comics. I saw the first GI Joe movie and felt it was better than Transformers though I am not a GI Joe fan AT ALL so there were no expectations which I did have with Transformers. The problem is for Hasbro that outside of the US GI Joe is just not THAT popular. Have not seen G1 Joe toys here in decades.
For the Sonic and Tails codenames, it's a blink it and you'll miss it moment, but the little brother does call Mirage Knuckles when he's checking on them in the final fight.
Mirage’s illusion are based off of schematics that are stored in his t-cog. So if he scanned a garbage truck he becomes the cab and the rest is cover by hard light illusions
Also Airazor is speculated/implied to have had her t-cog destroyed by a predacon who followed her group of maximals. That predacon is the one who eliminated the rest of Airazor’s away-team of sorts.
Source?
@@eyywannn8601imagination
@@eyywannn8601she said she’s the last one when she met primal again
*why don't you back it up with a source?*
Noah, Elena and Charlie have really made me realise that humans dont have to be an annoying drag on the plot. This reboot era has them be active participants alongside the robots. Mirage and Noah feel like theyve become mates. I love how trusting Mirage is of this man that tried to break into him. I agree we should have gotten the Elena and Arcee moment, but I can buy her curiousity winning out over fear anytime. Lovely cast
Except Noah was kind of mid and Elena was only there for the plot to progress
@@lonewolf9578 Noah was a pretty good character, TF human characters seem to work best when they are a part of the military. He had an entire arc of setting aside his selfishness to save the world and had an interesting story with his brother.
@@HenryLouis21 They introduce him being a former member of the military and then do nothing with it
And then there’s Elena who not only was only there for the plot but her actresses performance was terrible
@@lonewolf9578 He has military training and was a techie in the military, a skill which he used to make a living in New York. Hell, it actually paid off when he finally joined G.I. Joe so I say it went somewhere. Also, the actress for Elena was pretty descent and her performance was pretty good.
@@HenryLouis21 he literally does nothing with his military skills past his introduction when he works in the tv thing and then when he goes for the job interview
And Elena’s acting and performance was terrible and felt unenthusiastic and wooden. It makes the acting from the rings of power cast look Oscar worthy
Regarding Scourge's mask, a list of cut content from the movie has been released and there was supposed to be a scene explaining Scourge's backstory and how he became a herald of Unicron. Most likely the mask coming off was supposed to be a callback to that. I'm hoping we'll get a director's cut with all that stuff added back in (except Wheeljack's sex jokes, I don't want to see that)
With Unicron not being Earth in this movie and the mention of Mark Wahlberg, it feels like Caple Jr is trying to scream at us that the Bumblebee movie was a reboot but that one producer is holding a gun to his head so he can't outright say it.
he outright said it in a interview, both him and hasbro have said bumblebee and this movie are part of a soft reboot the producer is just a dumbass who thinks because its bumblebee and optimus its part of the same universe
Wait what? Wheel jack sex jokes?
I think they're going more for an X-men Days of Future Past set up personally, we reached a point in the originals where the writers wrote themselves into a wall (Just like X3) so we go back, redo history and then have the two points meet up, have a big ruck and set out on a new altered timeline where the Bay movies never happen, they're even following the X films decade jumping shtick too.
That makes sense. It REALLY feels, with the mention that he's the last survivor of his planet and the mask reveal, like there's something more going on with Scourge than we got to see, and I wanna know what!
@@NewtNewt117 The original script stated that Wheeljack was Arcee's ex-boyfriend and he was supposed to make some perverted sex jokes about her being inside him. Glad they cut that, it's very Michael Bay-ish in all the worst possible ways.
I would love if wheeljack showed up in every future movie but with a different accent and a different design each time. I just think it would be really funny
Ok this would be funny
Give him a vampire accent next time and run with it
I would absolutely admire them if they kept up that running gag
Honestly that be a good gag for the movies
Next movie have Bronson Pinchot do the voice like Balki from Perfect Strangers.
I think my favorite thing about the scene where Noah and Optimus and Primal work together is that “Arrival to earth” works as musical storytelling.
In the original film, ATE is mainly used as the theme for the autobots and/or good guys, especially as an introduction to the autobots. It’s the phrase “Behold, the wonder of the transformers coming to our world” distilled into a musical score. It is played as a sort of greeting to us for the autobots.
In ROTB, it’s not used as an introduction, we see Optimus and company and are introduced to them without ATE. So it’s use at the end seemed a bit odd at first to me. But then I realized it works as a way of complementing the fact that Optimus now sees earth as place with people worth saving, it’s not his pit stop to just leave in the dust, it’s his home.
“Arrival to earth” acts as a way to tell us the audience “behold, the transformers are now truly dedicating themselves to earth”. It’s not a greeting, it’s a triumphant musical moment of two peoples coming together as one, it’s optimus arriving to earth in a mental sense, not a physical one. And that is awesome.
Arcee and Wheeljack admittedly don't do _much,_ but
They DID have a cut romance arc/dynamic thing which would've absolutely cinched their presence in this movie
Like Transit, it was unfortunately cut from the final movie, but
_aaaaa_ man, why can't we just GET giant robots doing shit like being dorks and being into each other
Also Wheeljack was apparently also supposed to offer Optimus his glasses while they were surveying Peru and before Noah and Elena infiltrate the parade, which would have been _hilarious_
Ironically, in Beast Wars, the war between the Maximals and Predacons did result in the proto humans slowly evolving further
I love the way they handled Primal’s name because it (A) was handled well and (B) hit the “never meet your heroes” trope. Primal basically goes, “man… this guy sucks.”
Was it "this guy sucks" or "this guy is at a crossroads and his constant failures are eating away at him, causing him to lash out" because I saw the latter I'll be honest.
@@symbiote1982pkDefinitely your take was better.
The GI Joe thing was brilliant because instead of generic military guys you can have actual beloved characters supporting the transformers
I sort of feel the same way. I mean, I expected Sector 7, but if you wanna give me a movie of this same quality that features Optimus Prime and Duke doing cool shit together, then I'm totally down.
My head canon is that "Weeljack" is the "Brian" or "Chris" of robot names.
I loved Optimus’ mouth and nose. They hyper-accentuated how grumpy and depressed he was, and thank GOD Optimus Prime is finally allowed to have emotions after 36 years
I guess that's how you know some boomer hasn't watched TF related media since G1.
@@_V.Va_ really? xD
The way I see Mirage’s multiple vehicle modes is as this.
He has a large file full of 3D models for his holograms, and also for alternate vehicles to keep in hiding, so he has all the vehicles on file and can switch between them as he sees fit.
And in terms of mass shifting into a garbage truck, I’ve heard someone theorise that he just turns into the main chassis and can and the entire garbage section is a hologram.
That’s just my thoughts on Mirage and his many cars
I saw a comment from one of the film's designers that the Scourge face reveal was supposed to convey that he was a zombified husk taken over by unicron? Cool idea but I didn't catch it in the theater
Its a reboot, the director said it in a recent interview. Everytime lorezno tries to say otherwise, the director rolls his eyes
I think Hasbro has dialed back somewhat on their "shared universe" ambitions, but they still seem very desperate to make G.I. Joe a 'thing', and are currently convinced the way to do that is to hitch it to the Transformers movie franchise.
Mirage's V-Modes: Bro stockpiled ones, and the Dump Truck? He took the backend of another one, and became just the cab.
I think the idea with Mirage's multiple alt-modes is that he's a shifter, like Amalgamous Prime and Makeshift.
I still have no idea how people think this is still in the Bayverse. I know the old director refuses to let it die and he's very vague, but the new director has very clearly stated that this is 100% in a new continuity and timeline.
That being said, I really enjoyed this film. I'm looking forward to the future installments because apparently the next one has already been greenlit.
Unicron is the main proof it's a reboot because he's not the Earth.
A lot of Energon vibes:
Pink Motorcycle Arcee
Maximals show up
Terrorcons are the minions of Unicron
What if John Cena's character came back as Duke? think if they want to have military guys in a future movie, it doesn't really change much if they're Sector 7 or NEST or GI Joe. They don'T even need to focus on them at all, just be a couple dudes in funky uniform with as much focus as Rhinox and Cheetor got in this movie.
Got to agree with you on this: It's good to have Transformers back in the summer again! And this was a good film, as you said too. Not perfect; but not the Bayverse mind-numbing dribble either (Transformers creating everything, for example).
you just know they would've been behind the great wall of china if the bay movies continued
I think TF Prime having Unicron be the Earth was fine and it's a creative take. I actually liked the conflict of "how do you fight/kill the big bad WHEN YOU LIVE ON HIM?" Thing is, it was nice to see ONCE. The Bay films trying to ape the idea was cheap and felt like a knockoff, not to mention an idea you knew they weren't going to follow through on ever even if those movies DID continue. I guarantee that the next movie in line would have just forgot about it to do something else becuase that's what those movies have always done and everything they've ever baited or teased ended up being a throwaway misdirect. But I digress, I was fine with TF Prime doing it but yeah, It's not an idea we need to see again ever so I'm glad RotB brought him back to being an outside threat.
Also, I'm fine with GI Joe being a shared universe because it technically always has been, but much like before, just let it be it's own thing. They did the one episode of G1 where they fought Cobra Commander (and I don't think they ever actually even named him as such but it was fairly obvious) but otherwise, the Joes and Transformers kept their adventures separate and to their own cartoons. They can take place in the same continuity but they don't need to be tied at the hip or even really interact with one another. Sure, after they've both had their own fun, you can do a big silly crossover event movie but then everybody has to back to their own homes after the slumber party's over and go back to playing by themselves again. I don't want to see them go full MCU and continue to pop in and out of each other's movies.
I know they've had several crossovers in comic books, but some of those were their own continuities, and maybe that's just easier?
I took Mirage as being a "shifter," a special kind of Cybertronian with hyper-transformation powers. Frenzy in the first movie did similar things.
Frenzy only transformed twice.
What this has over the Bayformer movies is a massive amount of heart and soul, and I love that about it. Yes it’s a pew pew action movie but it feels human
Disagree about that, I still feel heart and soul in those first 3 movies. At least when it came to the animation of the Transformers themselves.
I genuinely thought it was going to be M.A.S.K. at the end, the organization having recovered the wreckage and bodies from Peru and using them as a basis for the transforming vehicles.
M.A.S.K. is a Kenner property Transformers and GI Joe are both Hasbro. A Kenner team-up would be M.A.S.K. and Care Bears.
@@hirozhen7475But since Tonka bought Kenner and Hasbro bought Tonka long ago, that's not really a problem.
28:19 argree that Transfomers doesnt need GiJoe, but the ending felt more like GiJoe needs Transformers in order to get SOME box office success. Time, and a decent script, will tell.
I'm glad you mentioned the tower construction, that took me for a loop for a bit because I was expecting him to DM his Boo again and it didnt happen?
The drive in line was still my favourite optimus moment in this movie, I think
I like to think Unicron was using his power from across the universe to copy the blueprints from the planet he consumed to generate it remotely.
so funny thing about the Optimus face, in this film they designed it to look like Peter Cullen himself
My head canon for Scoruge's mask is that when Scourge gave himself up to Unicron, he tore off his face and branded him with his own insignia.
Favorite joke of the movie: 'I'm not following you, i'm escapeing in the same direction' also that pre-credits scene made me giggle like a child. also...Noah's GI Joe Codename is probably going to be Dialtone or Breaker and i am here for it!
Calling the F-1 racer a Combiner Wars moment.
G1 Mirage: "Am I a joke to you?"
I happened to notice the detail of Arcee dropping an F-bomb. I found it pretty funny.
I just saw the movie tonight, when did she do that?
I loved stratosphere
He's like Scatman John but robot
Kinda wished he also started kicking ass alongside Bee when he came in to drop him
I'm wondering if Stratosphere's whole deal is that he's just too old to be a fighter in any capacity? I think that would be interesting.
Probably the best Transformers movie in my opinion
Also... if they MUST have military in the movies like in the previous ones... why not make them GIJoe?
For me, I think it's arguably one of the worst. Better than AOE and TLK, but not better than those first 3 films, I'm sorry bro. Especially when Prime was so damn WEAK in this film.
@@kennythetrend3688 It’s okay, everyone has their tastes and preferences. I don’t think Prime is weak at all, he’s as overpowered as in every movie, getting most of the kills, most of the battles and making all the other bots almost redundant, like in the other movies…
About the Sonic and Tails bit where you're talking about how Noah and his brother talk through the radio, Noah's brother does actually attempt to talk to Mirage after his supposed death and his codename was Knuckles which was pretty fun.
"Jem and the Holograms, THEN we'll talk."
...and now the theme song is in my head. Thank you.
Haven't seen it yet, but Thew's enthusiasm during this review makes me more excited to. That and finally a Transformers movie that actually focuses primarily on the Transformers.
Enthewsiasm
Not really. It takes a HOUR before the Maximals show up and Rhinox never even speaks!
Two things I'd like to mention:
1.) Mirage's personality screamed out to me 'I'm G1 Hot Rod', but his abilities were definitely Mirage. So I can understand the naming.
2;) I'm hoping the G I Joe tie-in is more used in a Live Action G I Joe franchise instead of in future Transformers movies. G I Joe needs that connection more. I just want to see Channing Tatum, Dwayne Johnson, John Cena and Josh Duhamel as Joes.
The Sonic and Tails thing does come back! The little brother ends up calling Mirage Knuckles when they have the walkie talkie convos! I thought that was a cute detail but it was just in the one scene so totally understand it was easy to miss.
I think Wheeljacks design is the most controversial due to being the least G1 inspired of everyone, I still like it tho, and I love Stratosphere with all my being despite just being the Astrotrain of the Autobots
Hip Hop being the main music choice makes sense, it dropped in the 80s and gained momentum, by 94 it was definitely the most popular music form.
Maybe so but here it just feels wrong.
To emphasize a time period as they did in "Being Erica" it is great.
But for Transformers it has to to be heavy metal (or at least rock music).
Yeah, these films are reboots. The director has confrmed it multiple times. This film is way different from The 2022 version but hopefully a director cut comes out. The director also said that he wants to being in Megatron for the next movie. In his g1 form. (Rotb Megatron box art)
This was the best TF aside from the first one and Bbee. It felt like a high budget Saturday morning cartoon. Also got “avengers vs thanos” feels. Great review Thew!
From what I was told the movie was cut down to the bone. Not only was time between action scenes removed, but action scenes were removed as well.
Man, I would love it if Wheeljack was called Tow-Line, it would be a great reference to the Energon line
But still, it was a great movie.
That or downshift it would be cool
I love that they play off Bumblebee's constant showboating and borrowing of one-liners throughout the films as just him being an impressionable young lad who's seen too many drive-in films and wants to look cool.
Which is not helped by the fact that he's the only one in the group built for war from the get-go and is thus technically the most qualified next to Optimus.
Overall I'm glad this is helping people understand that the Transformers kind of NEED human involvement to properly contextualize how cool the world is. Otherwise part of the appeal of them - being giant robots as a baseline with smaller ones being specialized members - is lost. IDW got away with it because they focused explicitly on the other half - they're living, feeling beings with an explicit humanity to them trying to figure out how the universe around them works and what's best for themselves.
As for stuff like Mirage's shifting, I have a theory that most of the surviving Autobots are reincarnations/descendants of different members of the Thirteen Primes. Prime's a straight-up reincarnation of his first self(Has to learn how to extend olive branches), Mirage is Amalgamous (Always changing shapes), Arcee is either Solus or Alchemist (Fits her whole "Energon era motorcycle" look as a foreman for a mining operation), Wheeljack is Quintus (Strong appreciation for life in all forms), Boss Monkey is Onyx (Deeply spiritual and understands the flow of nature), Stratosphere is Vector(Energon exposure at the end of the film causes his body to effectively de-age a few hundred years) and Bumblebee is Prima (Bringer of hope for a brighter tomorrow)
I'm also glad that most of the cybertronians that die get a bit of pathos attached to them, even Scourge to an extent since Optimus looks more disgusted with himself than happy, as if he realized this isn't who he wants to be and what he could be if he just stopped caring about things other than his own wants and desires. Airazor NOT exploding or falling to bits was a welcome surprise and it made Primal's whole euthanasia bear-hug feel haunting. It's kind of wild that he didn't get the kill on Scourge, but I'm also kind of refreshed by it since it implies he's already learned to cope with losing people close to him (And probably blew off the excess steam by reducing Battletrap into something resembling a pile of thoroughly-ignored road signs.)
I think the mask-off moment for Scourge was meant to be some big hint that he has been through the goddamn WRINGER to get where he is now, and whatever did that to him is the only other time he knew shame until losing the Transwarp key.
So glad you also liked it, Thew. It was great! Got that Optimus truck popcorn bucket I liked it so much
14:20 I read that in an earlier cut it clarified that he was using his hologram abilities, at least with the dump truck, I'm not sure about the other cars he turned into tho
I was born in 04. I grew up with Bayverse. Growing up, I realized that the movies weren't great. However, hearing Arrival to Earth while seeing Noah face the odds, pulling for dear life to save Optimus, and Primal AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I CAN'T KEEP BEING PRETENTIOUS, I CRIEEEEDDD MY CHILDHOOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I think that we have seen a lot of military in the movies, it makes sense to make them GI Joe. I think it's a great idea and I'm excited to see the direction this franchise is going with them potentially being them. This is by far my favorite transformers live action movie. Very closely followed by the first one.
it comes after bumblebee. optimus even mentioned how bumblebee had a good experience with one human, referencing charlie.
I don't mind that Wheeljack has an accent or is a VW Bus, but as a Latino, that "Racist Hermano" joke did not land whatsoever, and my dad rolled his eyes so hard at that scene lol. Also, honestly I dont hate the robot design, if they just instead made him a nice darkish green, and then have his tradional coil face with the glowing ears be for his battlemask, like Prime and Bumblebee have.
Ok as far as Noah goes
Military part explains why he didn’t just back down to mirage, and set up that he actually knows how to fight so the exo suit wouldn’t be bs, also why he willingly decides to fight when he sees how big this really is
The tech part
He makes tech for the poor
He fixed mirage
He made the walk-in talkie him and Kris use
I’d recommend watching again
It's probably just me... but Scourge's face reveal, kinda reminded me of Tarn... how he wears a mask, representing his affiliation (a terrorcon version) and how underneath that mask is a scarred up face... anyone else think that?
yeah, alot of people are saying that
Imagine trying to explain Angolmois Energy to lorenzo dibonaventura
I really like how Scourge was a nobody under the mask. I know there was probably more to it but in the context of a film aimed at kids, it read to me as your bullies are just people under the mask, they aren't anyone who's got any special powers or destiny, they're just someone like you who hurts people to feel better. And I really liked that. (Idk this is probably me trying to pull something deep out of the film. I did like the kick though, clever way to escape a death grip on Mirage's part)
i think the alt mode shifting was a completely unique mirage power, we dont see anyone else do it and the terrorcons still scan alt modes if im remembering correctly
There was also a clip during Prime’s fight with Scourge where he rears his head when pushing the dude into the lava fall. I took that as Prime isn’t the blood thirsty killer of the Bay-verse. Only getting to that point when pushed to the absolute brink.
If we look at Bumblebee as G1 (80's) Rise of the Beasts as Beast Wars (90's) then my guess is the next mainline film will be Armada themed, set in 2003 and heavily feature minicons, we shall see how wrong I am 😅
I personally enjoyed the film, it's not a 10/10 cinematic masterpiece, you can probably pick apart plot and character and whatever, but who cares? I came to see transformers, and I got exactly that. Fun characters, big action, and some feels sprinkled in.
Giving Scourge a big role as villain was a great idea. I love how these new movies are giving new villains before the inevitable Megatron appearance as the big bad.
Overall, I'm liking the new direction and I really hope they keep going with this.
I accidentally made the theater crack up at Bumblebee's death
Bumblebee: *dies*
Prime: "this cannot bee"
me whispering to friend: ".....was that a pun?"
like four guys near me *uproarious laughter*
"All of our dads die, that isn't a personality." Thanks for that.
Tbh I hated how bumblebee was killed only to be revived later. Same as mirage. Its like they're too afraid to kill off characters.
Fact: Arcee and Wheeljack were meant to have ALOT more scenes but it would be focusing on an ongoing romance between them and was ultimately cut
Also ROTB is 100% a reboot 07 to TLK isnt cannon to ROTB but the bumblebee movie is
It really did Beast Wars dirty.
I’m glad people are getting the garbage truck. It’s hologram shenanigans. Lol.
And it was wonderful to have bumblebee get sidelined for an EPIC respawn jump(ala Fortnite) and his design was BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!
I did a livestream with some of the other guys in the YT sphere and we also looked at the laser scene like TF?
I am very disappointed we didn't get Bus.
OP was in the bus yard
But I guess a kill so early would feel like Bay Prime.
i feel like the reason that Transit was cut, was to like, "buildup" to Prime being kinda moody and then also have somewhat of an "arc," like the director was talking about. I don't mind "moody" OP because that's kinda what I like in a hero and I'm also happy they didn't go totally into Bayverse - they just left some parts and pieces in there, esp the end where he does a Mortal Kombat-style "fatality" on Scourge.
@@fduranthesee Well, we're getting Bus. And he's a lot less Bay Brutal with insta kill, and he has a goal other than kill
It was pretty good, wasn't Bumblebee great, but it was definitely a good showing. I think if it had a maybe 20-30 more minutes to flesh itself out and establish the new universe, it would of been WAY better, solid 6.5/10. Holy fuck mirage is amazing, I genuinely thought I wasn't going to like him but he actually made me full on laugh multiple times in the theatre. Also the Marky mark thing was golden.
My personal list goes as such
1. DOTM
2. Bumblebee
3. 07
4. ROTB
5. AOE
6. ROFT
7. TLK
I'm pretty sure this is a reboot yeah. Like I think they mentioned it being part of a new storytelling universe.
I promise you it would’ve made a bit more sense if Wheeljack was Beachcomber especially since he’s talking nature wen he first shows up on screen
It's literally taken me almost a year to find your channel again, glad I'm here once more, got a whole backlog to go through 😅
I will say, I did like it that the plaque that opened the GIJoe door said “Real Hero Award”, in reference to ‘G.I.Joe: Real American Heroes’
This is gonna be fun, i can feel it.
Why don't I see anyone comparing Noah's Exo Suit to the Delta Acceleration suits from first G.I.Joe live action movie (rise of Cobra) ... they look so similar. Am i the only one who sees it?
My fave scene was where Battletrap vs asked for a real fight then primal just hits him with a rock and prime was like. He was mine. Also was hoping nest was the ending too
also Noah and Mirage "fused" together like a Dragon Ball character granted Mirage became a suit of armor for Noah.
26:54 Got chills watching that, got chills watching the part getting described here. Definitely a trailer moment, haha.
I cannot believe Thew just name dropped Angolmois energy.
I thought the end was going to be Nest too. Sadly it was gi joe
Rise of the Beasts sure is awesome summer film that's belated tribute to BW anniversary from few years back. And I'll say, this folds in with BB as reboot to Cinematic TF series
And considering that before this; we get to know that after this there be two more which gives more reason Unicron to be pushed back or as Primal put it; trapped in corner of the galaxy so it's gonna take long time for him to make arrival to Earth.
Personalty; I would like prequel film before events of ROTB about Maximals time on Earth (which would allow us to see/know that were there more Maximals with Optimus Primal since Airrazor stated she was last one of her group) or set in they homeworld before Unicron's arrival.
But we'll wait and see what future holds for this.
Ya, you pretty much summed up my feelings for ROTB. Could've had more scenes like Elena needing some reassurance to go with the team, Mirage being a heart of gold dickhead (to which I'm actually ok with his characterization, as we all know, most TFs don't really have a personality), Terrorcons being badasses (especially Battletrap who says nothing and fucks shit up), and actually focusing more on the TFs than the humans. Even when compared to BB, another good TF live action. Overall, a good TF movie. Can't wait for what the sequel brings.
And Christ, I can't believe GI Joe is getting tied to this reboot. I really wished they hadn't.
I feel like a good explanation to come qith the fact that Optimus is so Brutal in Dark of the moon is not only because of the deaths of Ironhide and other bots, but also the deaths of so many civilians that were killed by the decepticons from the Seige of Chicago
17:56 100% DISAGREE. Que in DOTM at least FELT like a scientist, gave Sam the grapple hook that led to Starscream's death, AND his Death scene was really sad. I felt NOTHING for Pablo in this film.
Definitely had fun with the movie!!
And yea… I agree with the GIJoe thing… it’s gonna be almost impossible to incorporate without drowning the transformers.
Definitely the most fun I’ve had with transformers on the big screen! I’d say even more than bumblebee!
I disagree, but that's because I figure they're going to try and cram a human faction in there somewhere like they did with NEST/Sector 7, so why NOT use another Hasbro Brandname?
If they can use Transformers in a G I Joe movie, it could be good. They would have to take some notes from the MCU, and make Transformers like Iron Man 2 (post Avengers) where we know the Joes are there, but the transformers don't go to them for help. And Captain America in Winter Soldier doesn't go to Tony Stark for a Maguffin fix They both handled their own stories and worked together in a big cross-over.
It's got potential, if they can do it right
28:47 I get the sentiment but is there a specific event this refers to or just that none wants dave around?
The point of Scourge losing his mask was a clever little visual hint that this previously unstoppable force of nature that had handily defeated Optimus Freakin Prime in a 1-on-1 earlier was finally made vulnerable, mortal, defeatable. That was the moment that a ray of hope for our heroes shone through.
I'm real late to the party, didnt see it in theaters, but I don't think I've fistpumped and went "fuck yeah!" during the climax of a movie that much in a while. The exact moment you described, the dual "till all are one" followed by the reprisal of Arrival to Earth? Legendary. Tying "till all are one" into the themes of the film? Giving Optimus a character arc at all, and paralleling him with the human lead's character arc? Brilliant stuff. Bumblebee is still probably the more solid film overall, given that it's a smaller, more character-focused movie. Bumblebee was like an Iron Man or Captain America, RotB was The Avengers (complete with crystal space mcguffin and giant sky portal). But as the first full-fledged TF film doing the Bayverse scale, but under new creative direction? Absolute knockout.
Really, the only issue is that the villains are pretty one-note, though like you said they're still fun. And the easy fix for this is just to bring back Megatron for the next movie, rebooted with new and interesting motivations. You could even make a cool little trilogy out of it: have Megs get shot into space on the brink of death at the end of TF8, maybe use a Marvel-style space bridge explosion to strand him in a pocket dimension, and then he meets up with Unicron and gets upgraded to Galvatron, so they can be the villains of TF9.
So the spider-droid mooks that scourge has around are apparently this movie's version of Scourge's Sweeps.
This movie was really good but not great...It would have really benefited from not having a Gi joe ending tease and some certain bits of dialogue but other then that I want more Transfomers movie's like this one
My only argumaent back regarding Wheeljack vs Arcee changes is that Arcee does look different from BB Movie, but that can be attributed to Cybertronian mode vs chosen earth mode, but she still kept her main design queues. Wheeljack finally got proper G1 treatment in BB, and then it was apparently decided that we needed to go back to the Bay-verse playbook of 'whatever we decide we want him to look like'.
It was just sad to the drastic change from one movie to the next, again. 🙂
I’m so happy I loved this movie because I was so scared mate
18:57 will always go down as my biggest letdown ever. Just an apparently intelligent submarine letting itself get bopped around by two angry dudes
They need to get away from that Infiniti War and End Game style third act. Things need to be scaled down.
Finally saw this yesterday, and I'm so glad I caught it on the big screen.
Soooo my transformers OC when I was a kid turned into a VW minibus, so that's a thing now. Right out of my head, except "Bigbug" was orange and white. (Yea, Bigbug, I was 9, what can I say?)
I hope we get an extended cut of the film
Hope you're having a lovely day today, Thew.
Take care.
In Transformers terms, it's pretty watchable since they treat the robots as characters rather than props for the most part, plus Noah's motivations as a character hold some decent weight which kept me somewhat invested. A noticeable step up from the Bay films (and even Bumblebee, which I found an underwhelming riff on movies such as The Iron Giant) in my opinion. Judging it from a more general perspective, I do find it to end up being Just Another Summer Action Blockbuster when compared to say, Across the Spider-Verse. It's not doing anything especially adventurous or bold to really leave an impression on me plot wise, although they usually tend to nail the special effects for these films so there's that. Therefore, I feel confident to give it a 5/10. The tie in toys are good at least, and that's what the Transformers brand was founded on so I can't fault that really.
As much as I love Transformers- to compare Bumblebee with the Iron Giant is an insult to the latter imho.
I thought it was pretty decent
Didn't give me the same feels as Bumblebee, but as its own thing. It's pretty gud
I absolutely loved Scourge
I really wanted to know thew’s opinion on apelink and the beginning. Guess it was just so good it was not needed to mention it
You're right, Thew. Transformers doesn't need G.I. Joe. G.I. Joe needs Transformers
Depdends on who you ask. The original G1 Joe comic outlasted the Transformers comic and even spearheaded the Generation 2 comics.
I saw the first GI Joe movie and felt it was better than Transformers though I am not a GI Joe fan AT ALL so there were no expectations which I did have with Transformers.
The problem is for Hasbro that outside of the US GI Joe is just not THAT popular.
Have not seen G1 Joe toys here in decades.