Can You Hear The Difference Between Cheap And Expensive Pianos? (N. 3)
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- Can you hear the difference between cheap and expensive pianos? (N. 3)
I started the video by playing in a cheap piano, and then in the more expensive ones. I played 5 different pianos. Can you hear any difference in sound? Which one has the best sound?
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Before I bought my house in 2014 I did a walk through. The previous owner had a piano in his living room. I had mentioned to him that I’ve played piano since I was 12. He immediately asked me to sit behind this gorgeous piano and play something for him. So I played Aladdin’s “A Whole New World” and I thought I did fairly well considering I don’t play every day. He was so polite lol... He then talked a little about the piano and that it was a Louis XVI style Gbaby grand piano. He then sat and played what he told me was an original piece. I was floored, this man played that piano as if he was playing for the POTUS lol... when he was done he pulled out a document and turned to the third page that showed he had paid $132,000 for this piano and that it was insured for $160,000. I looked around and asked: “But how did you get it into this house and how do you plan to get it out?” He explained that in just a few hours a private company would be here to start dismantling it. That it all would be carefully packed and shipped down to Florida where he had already bought a new house. He looked like he was about to cry and I asked him if he was ok. He said that he had never been so nervous in his life and that he feared something would happen to his piano. It made it down there safely. I felt so honored to play it.
@@Rhamirezz85 President Of The United States
@@Rhamirezz85 idk, it's Murica
I'm glad you clarified that the piano was okay. Reading that was emotional... It's also 3 am
@@Rhamirezz85 that's a very, very common abbreviation
I'm Australian and I'm familiar with POTUS
I never knew that I'd be able to hear "you can't afford this" so clearly with my ears
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The biggest difference for me was the upgrade to the $8K Yamaha upright. Beyond that the sound quality upgrade was smaller while the price went up exponentially.
Agreed. The $8,000 Yamaha was where it got good. I can tell differences all the way up to the quarter million piano as a layman, but going beyond the $17k GB1 doesn't seem to offer enough of a difference to warrant the massive price jumps. 🤷🏻♂️ $8k is an affordable premium unit for a serious player, it seems. The audience will likely be normal people and it will sound beautiful to us without a doubt while not breaking the bank and not causing someone to cry if it gets lost in a tornado. 😺
same here
Almost all of that difference was simply that as a new piano, it was properly tuned. The pianos before that could be fixed up to sound essentially the same with a tuning and in the case of the first piano, fixing that broken key.
Same, that was a dramatic difference
This is true with more products than pianos.
80% of the quality is between the cheapest brand and mid line.
You can observe this yourself in everyday things like toilet paper. Not only do you get more, it’s higher quality. Buying the ultra cheapo stuff just means you use more and buy it more often.
My favorite thing about your videos is that there's no filler. I don't need to skip four minutes in to get to the good part. You just deliver the entire time. Fantastic.
I'm blown away at how noticeable the sound difference is in piano quality. What a great video.
Wait what? This is a joke right? Did you actually hear a difference? I thought this was supposed to show that how much you invested into your piano didn't matter??
Please let me know if you can actually hear the difference
@@brentenyam9193 I can the notes of the more expensive piano has more depth in it's sound and tails off more. Idk the exact terminology as I'm not a pianist. He just plays so well that its hard to notice but it's there. The cheaper one is a bit idk twangy and a bit too high pitched I feel as well.
I agree with you on a few of them, but between most I couldn't tell a difference not to mention hearing a recording uploaded to RUclips. I did hear change between a few of them tho and the sound was amazing mly better, bores sounded cleaner and reverbed better, the notes sounded better for sure
@@brentenyam9193
The higher priced ones don‘t have much difference except for their age and intended use i guess and how they sound in the end is also heavily dependent on where the piano stands, so this isn‘t exactly a good video for comparison.
f.e. the 1200 sounded pretty cheap to me while the 600 was perfect sound quality.
@@brentenyam9193 the sound quality difference isn't as noticeable as the difference between the low end and slightly above it...
But that's where build quality, materials, feel, etc come in.
For those wondering (like I was), the name of the piece he’s playing is Nocturne in C sharp minor by Chopin ❤️
Thankyou!
The irony for me is that I could tell each piano, except the pleyel. Which Chopin... played pleyel. And I love chopin, and I've played steinways, boes, and pleyels. Still to this day, though, I love the feel and sound of pleyels.
Nocturne #2 e flat op9 no2
@@mohaz7187 Nocturne n°20 C sharp minor
Thanks!
I love the added equivalent price comparisons for pianos
and little details like _"alarm included"_ or _"preferably blue"_ are cherry on top of a cake
Who puts a cherry on top their cake lmao
With a tuned horn haha
here in brazil we used to punch each other when we see a blue beetle as kids.
@@rafaelbaldoni3711 here in New York State my kids had "Punch Bugs" - a car with one headlight.
Chanel bag - empty 😅😅
in person the difference is much greater. i work in a 170yr old building that has many pianos. we recently cleared out the un-named lower grade ones but kept a few that are classic uprights like Heintzman's and Steinway and Sons. the sound of them stands above the ordinary pianos. we also have a Steinway baby grand and also a c.bechstein 9ft concert piano. even though we also have some new electric pianos and a new upright, the best players always prefer the old premium ones.
The Yamaha Upright definitely was the biggest jump in quality to me, everything after that sounded really good but was a much subtler difference imo.
Good god it sounds so good in comparison to the first ones
"Everything after was subtle"
3:44 is that right??
I thought he might have used a different microphone o record the video. The difference hit so hard!!!
Agreed
@@sarinaagarwal4949 it is subtle. If a brick was subtle.
I've just read many of the very valid comments, but one I haven't seen; man, the quality of Yamaha instruments across their full price spectrum is remarkable and, particularly at their lower-to-mid range, are exceptional value for money - which is where they'll make the majority of their sales.
Their marketing strategy has nailed it, imo.
Beautiful brand, Yamaha
You ever rip a peewee 50? Those guys know what their doing
@@Onewheelordeal I've no idea what you're talking about - but as an early GenX dude, I fully accept that I'm probably not down with the kids. ;) Still, I'm just basing my comment on my experience and what's right here in the vid, mate.
The Yamaha concert grand, remarkable
Agreed, Yamaha makes good pianos.
The $600 one although not the absolute best there honestly really amazed me. There was an astonishing about of crispness to the high notes I wasn’t expecting considering how cheap it was.
I have no idea how pricing works in piano world, but why a hundred year old antique piano cost so little?
Agreed. To me, it had the most personality, though not as precise of a sound across all notes.
Exactly what I thought. Yamahas sounded good but lacked character. Same as all their guitars...
@@Bogdan221192 maybe because of the condition🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 then how much would it cost if it was in pristine condition?
I got a beautiful piano from my parents when I was young child and gave it forward to younger people in my family some years ago. No two piano's sound the same and that makes all piano's unique and special.
Wish we could have heard all the pianos in the same room, the acoustics really do make a difference. That being said, the 9k Yamaha grand had probably the best tone for price. Of course the 289k had (imo) the best tone, but I think the room sound may have had an influence. It also seemed to have the most fluid action, just from what I could see. I loved the tone of my teacher’s Yamaha over the Steinway in the performing arts building at my school, but the Steinway had an action just like a hot knife through butter.
Used piano didn't give same tone by the way, I think it s make a big difference too
That and the biggest differences come from the age of the piano
Recorded with the same mics and preamps!
(ahah utopia xd)
Agreed, this is a variable that needs to be controlled for
Yes, let's drag all these heavy pianos all into one room.
Man i love how this guy just made 6 million subs only with a piano and his pure talent and no clickbaits
Man you are a legend
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Nó he made 6 million subs with many piano
No clickbait?
Well, I don't know. That trap piano price was a little clickbaity. The most realistic price was the penultimate piano he showed.
Stares...
Whether it's a cheap or an expensive piano, Vinheteiro plays just as good either way.
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like that if u think this guys everywhere
I had a friend name "Just some guy with a Mustache"
Isn’t at some point ~5000-8,000 it is more about how long it will stay tuned vs how often you have to tune it the big gap between those and 15k pianos? IDK just a random thought.
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Incredible that he was able to tune those pianos and then tuna fish.
Funny
For a casual listener like myself, all this does is illustrate how quickly you run into diminishing returns. To my untrained ears, the upright Yamaha sounded just fine, and everything after it sounds slightly different, but not noticably better per se.
That's about what I thought. The differences in the following ones that I *thought* I heard could just be chalked up to different room acoustics. Like the last Yamaha grand was in a room with considerably less echo than the Playel grand so did the Yamaha sound "warmer" because of the piano or the room? I cant tell.
One difference you *don't* hear is from the perspective of the pianist, the more expensive pianos have better touch characteristics. Upright pianos offer less control for playing softly and have trouble with rapidly repeating notes, and old pianos that haven't had significant servicing for a few decades, as well as cheap low quality pianos, can have problems such as one key sounding louder than the others or not striking the string at all if you try to play too softly.
For the expensive pianos, a big difference is the quality of the bass notes. To make a deep note, you need a very long string. However, you can work around this by using a thick string. However, a long string will sound significantly better. But this only affects the bottom octave and a half or so of the piano since only the bottom notes have any need for strings long enough to not fit inside smaller pianos. The big reason this isn't noticable in the video is simply that he's not actually playing any of the really low notes in that piece. Also, even if he was, you wouldn't be able to hear it unless you're using decent headphones or speakers with halfway decent bass response. Laptop and phone speakers are out.
The main difference is that from the upright yamaha on they were tuned properly. Even the cheaper ones would sound much closer if tuned.
There is probably differences that can’t be picked up on microphones.
I agree with that and I have a pretty good set of head phones as well! I do wonder if the feel of the piano starts playing a bigger role then the sound of it at that point or its the same diminishing returns
I love the tone, clarity and mellowness of all the Yamahas . The GB1 has a beautiful sound but that squeaky sustain pedal is driving me crazy.
You can have that fixed before you buy it🎹🎶
Me toooooo
I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out. So thanks for that.
They just have a certain warmth to them. Clean!
Hear hear
There's most definitely a difference, but another Factor that seems to be overlooked by most is the positioning of the piano, and the size of the room. I'll assume that the recording device is the same for each piano, but the other variables will greatly affect the sound quality.
Yes
Eh I wouldn’t say greatly. There’s definitely more of a difference between the piano themselves than a difference due to their positioning/environment.
@@Remixable100 especially with the larger grands because they have longer strings and, a larger soundboard🎹🎶
Sim
Last time it was tuned too lol
the very used barthol and berlin actually sounded really good
definitely the best value of the bunch
Glad it's not just me. I thought it had lovely resonance.
I kept waiting for another piano to sound as good as this. The only one I liked more was the Pleyel Grand Concerto.
my fav too!
That's your wallet talking for you. Lol. My thing is photography and I found my sweet spot on my camera in much the same way. But I'm pretty sure someone else with a bigger budget wouldn't agree with me. Lol.
The expensive ones are obviously, clearly superior, but I love the sound of the 2nd piano. It sounds like it'd be perfect for silent movie music or in an 1880s saloon.
And I thought that Yamaha C2 sounded great. I actually liked it better than the second to last one although that might've just been the room.
Yeeessss i agree! The second one sounds really nice. You can really notice the difference
I agree and I thought maybe that was the high-end upright in opposition to the cheapo piano but it was cheap itself! But what a nice sound.
I dont have a clue about pianos but i agree totally with you the second one had a great sound.. also i believe that from the third to the last one there was no difference in the quality of sound. They just have different sounds
Thank god I'm not the only one, I love the tone of the 2nd piano. Better than some of more expensive ones after it!
Yea, that looks the same for me ✌️😜
For the ones that might be wondering what this piece is called it’s: Frédéric Chopin’s Nocturne in C# minor No.20
Thank you! I was scouring the comments and almost lost hope
Fred for the win. Good look 🙌🏿
Thank you Mr Goose
I wasn’t
Thank you!! ;)
For those wondering the music being played is Nocturne in C-sharp minor (no20)
just the comment I was looking for.
Thank you.
Sweet. Thanks! :-)
Thanks. I was just looking for this information.
Surprised people dont know this after all these years especially being featured in The Pianist movie.
I listened with my eyes closed . The biggest difference and the most clear sound for me was the Yamaha Grand Piano for $289.000. It sounded beautiful. The next one down is the $8000 Yamaha which also sounds great and the third one for me is the $600 one which I like also. Great video thanks. Lovely piece by Chopin.
Growing up in church, my grandma played the piano. She started learning when she was 4 and has played every day of her life since then. (she is 93 now). Our church didn't have a lot of money and the piano sounded ok but its the only piano I had ever really heard much and my parents always said it needed to be tuned. When we would go to her house on holidays though, she had a beautiful grand piano and lord god almighty there was a major difference
I am far from being a pianist, I just took lessons for 12 years when I was a child, then I quit before 19. Now I'm 58 and haven't played a piano in ages. This said, I had the pleasure to play on a Steinway & Sons about ten years ago, and even the crap I was playing sounded awesome. Put a little boost in my pride.
There is a very noticeable difference in the sound of every piano.
I thought it was interesting that he didn't have any steinways.
For 17.000$ they could oil the sustain pedal :D
Still, you hear what you pay for! )))
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nah that's just a bird nest in there :)
That cracked me up
@@Liastnir LOL. Yes. me too :) It was very funny.
Ah, les subtilités des notes de piano ! J'ai pris un immense plaisir à visionner cette vidéo captivante. "Pouvez-vous entendre la différence entre les pianos bon marché et chers ?" est une question qui titille l'oreille avertie et nous entraîne dans un voyage sonore exquis. Les nuances entre chaque note, la richesse des harmoniques, la profondeur du timbre... tout cela m'a laissé émerveillé. Bravo pour cette analyse minutieuse et cette présentation fascinante.
The song is by Frédéric Chopin - Nocturne No.20 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. posth.
Thank you!!!
Thank fucking Christ someone said this. Ive been scrolling for days hoping I would find it.
@@s.v.848 Me too lol fuck that was brutal.
Yep, been here looking for this, thanks a lot!
That song is so sad.I remember hearing it as a little 5 year old kid and crying my eyes out.Mum was asking w hats wrong and when I told her she looked at me like I was crazy.
That $600 piano was a great surprise. It had a rounder sound, but maintained a dulcid sharpness in the high notes. That sound was not equaled until the $50,000 grand piano. Granted, the acoustics of each room where they were played varied quite a bit.
Was about to write the same thing
Both of the pianos that had a timbre that appealed to me turned out to be yamahas. Kind of surprised me.
The Yamaha Grand Piano CFX has the cleanest, most beautiful sound out of all of these. I could listen to it for hours on end. Absolutely beautiful.
But the pleyel had the most character to it
It was something wasn't it. My wife was playing this video on my phone while I walked around the kitchen and that was the one that really tweaked my ears. Beautiful sound.
How about this one?
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@@frankmarsh1159 good beter than the Carl Hardt. I'd still prefer the real thing, however the P 515 is still great, and I would love to try one🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 The 515 has the new CFX sample set and a Bosendorfer plus a really good speakers system. Of course it can't compete with the real thing but for the money it's probably the best digital piano out there IMHO.
Definitely you can feel the difference. Especially between Yamaha upright and the previous models. The sound from yamaha upright and the next models is gently, more and more gently. Sometimes what you pay for, you get. As we say in Greece.
I wonder if Steinway is the best company for pianos.
Steinway is not the best it is one of the best. There is no such thing as the overall best piano brand🎹🎶
The first yamaha for 8,000 was the point where the sound started to even out in quality for me.The 1915 model was my favorite of the cheap ones.
Same here. That one peaked for me.
Yeah same from 8000 sounds like it wouldn't be worth going over this
I thought the 17 grand baby grand was turning point. Grand pianos just have a different sound than uprights. The earlier ones are definitely the ticket if playing ragtime music. I don’t think an expensive concert grand piano can pull that off.
@@dochaze1 I think it will if you don't tune it for a long time LOL🎹🎶
@@dochaze1 I thought that Grand Baby didn't belong in that line up. I just couldn't get over that squeak every time a certain key was played. It seemed so poorly put together compared to all the rest.
All 9 models and timings. Personally I like the Yamaha Upright and Pleyel Grand Concerto best.
0:00 Unknown Brand, $40 (year unknown)
0:27 Barthol and Berlin, $600 (1915)
0:51 Carl Hardt Stuttgart, $1200 (1910)
1:16 Yamaha Upright, $8000 (2020)
1:38 Yamaha White GB1 Baby Grand, $17000 (2020)
2:03 Yamaha C2, $31000 (2020)
2:27 Pleyel Grand Concerto, $53000 (1928)
2:51 Yamaha Grand Piano CFX, $289000 (2017)
3:40 Trap Producer Piano, $1150279 (2019)
Why the trap producer is so expensive but sounds like a broken toys r us toy drum?
@@jaypee8768 that is just a joke🎹🎶
1:38 SQUEAK
It may be the cell phone speaker, but I couldn't really tell the difference in the grand pianos. My favorite would be between the two used uprights that were known.
@@F0nkyNinja pablo
Yamaha really knows how to make some lovely sounding pianos, don't they.
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And Yamaha makes a LOT of different things. This was parodied in (the original) _RoboCop_ when a commercial in the movie said you could get a Yamaha artificial heart.... 🤣
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In the 70ies we had a kawai, iirc. Similar.
Sounds metallic to me. A Steinway is good, but nothing beats Bösendorfer - if you can afford it 😉 (up to half a million)
I loved that they were all tuned perfectly, the comparison was much more dramatic. The $8,000 piano was the departure in to quality, but I noticed that some I didn't really like. It's still a personal choice.
My favourite was the 8,000 dollar Yamaha upright. (also, it would be cool if you returned to the first cheap piano after the most expensive (proper) piano to end full circle and get a good read on the difference.) Much love and respect from an aspiring piano enthusiast.
you could rewind*
@@dumatol2 thanks, lol, you just blew my mind. What i was thinking by what i said though was simply that it would be a cool idea for a smooth transition to instantly hear the difference. Didn't mean for it to come accross as so rude or condecending that someone like you felt the need to jump to his defense about it. But thanks tips, I'll go sit down and let your revelation wash over me.
You're welcome 🤙
I thought the same.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So funny . I dont know if sound was pick up right or why but my choice was 8000. One to.
The price differences and the differences in sound are huge. But to be fair, to get a real comparison between the sound of the pianos, you would have to play them in the same setup (room, mics, etc.).
I wonder how much more of a difference it would be in person, seeing how we're listening through a speaker lol
@@thomasbarton1050 Microphones and Speakers always have an impact on the sound you are hearing. Also the sound will vary with your placement in the room
If only trained ears can tell the difference you wasted your money but go ahead and say whatever you want so that you can sleep at night at the end of the day a roomful of Master piano players is a boring room the master plays for the people that cant play and they can't tell the difference therefore it's a waste of money
@@marioncobretti8210 I don't get your comment. The only thing I was saying is, that if you really want to compare the instruments (especially the higher end ones), you have to get the same recording evironment, otherwise you can't tell how much of the difference in the recording, is due to the instrument or due to the environment
Speaker is the same for the whole video, so the difference is still there even if they're cheap. And I must say the difference here is insane. The piano for 8,000$ is so beautiful in comparison to dead sound of the first one.
This highlights the point of diminishing returns with instrument price really well. Usually the “just above beginner” models work pretty well in 95% of applications lol
Sure. For someone that just wants to play.
But someone that wants to feel the notes and not have their ear holes raped by nails on a chalk board. Youd kill to play on the last piano.
@@krotchlickmeugh627 A yes playing on a 300k piano will feel likes my ears will be raped by nails and chalkboard if I would be an experienced player
I mean, tbh, so much of the recorded sound is due to the room is super hard to judge. Tbh I thought the 8k option was the sweet spot but I also don't know how much thr room played a role. Basic speakers in a well treated room will always trump absalute top of the line in a small shitty reflective room for example
@@everything-has-a-handle-now I he meens the Yamaha CFX🎹🎶
It is very rare to find cheep acoustic pianos that sound good. Most of them are just junk,. These pianos are cheep for a reason🎹🎶
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There is definitely a very western/bar sound to the first few pianos that could be considered it’s own charm. Obviously once you jump into the expensive ones it’s a concert hall, full range experience that can’t be beat.
Biggest difference in quality that I heard was when switching from the older models to the newer ones (in the uprights) and between the uprights and the grands.
An upright is perfectly serviceable for learners and those with limited room but wanting to have an instrument like that. The grands and concertos are designed for larger open areas and performance halls by their very nature, and of course will produce better sounds.
Thank you for that very informative piece of information. Now I know which piano to choose for my greenhouse.
@@blogusvox I don't think a greenhouse is a good place for a piano to live🎹🎶
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@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 hi 👋
@@bellacliente6838 ???
how did you afford this many pianos for one video sir???
Don't answer, he'll tune them all to E
@@JoshStrifeHayes lol I literally just came from the EEEEEE video, this is hilarious
@@Felixrobinson Same!
Those aren't pianos, they're tuning forks. He edited them to look like pianos
Yooo Matthias I want to see you put hammers on these pianos
Honestly the 40$ piano sounds like an absolutely steal. Definitely the one with the best value for money
In Canada the wood itself would be worth at least 100$.
There was a huge jump in sound quality with the first Yamaha. To me not all were worth the difference in price from all the ones below them but the last full sized piano was sublime. They all sounded way different from each other even at the higher prices.
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I think the acoustics of the room also changed a lot with that one. If that's all just the piano I'd be a bit surprised
@@Ben-ew3hv that's mostly the piano🎹🎶
Maybe there was some difference, but for the average nobody they would all sound the same up from that first Yamaha baby grand.
@@PiotrBarcz Perhaps I know quality when I hear it, which is why I'm subscribed to Vinheteiro. Once a music teacher tested my class for ability to detect slight changes in relative pitch. The other students accused me of cheating but the teacher said "but he's at the far end of the room!" This "room" is the best! As for piano quality, the one Vinheteiro just purchased sounds wonderful!
I was in classical guitar study for 15 years from when I was 9. Started on a 50 dollar guitar. When I was 17 my father purchased me a really lovely classical guitar and the difference was huge but the thing is you can still make good music on something like that it depends on how hard you play it and why. We couldn't afford much but my father saved and got me a very nice now unfortunately passed away Luther ryoji matsuoka. Beautiful Japanese made classical and it will be my treasured gift for the rest of my life. Such a treat to play and I appreciate the ease after years and even on nylon strings having bleeding fingers. Did my high school exams to get into university with this and man I got there. But I could have done it on the cheap guitar too. Its all about how you play. The sound is better obviously but your skill as a musician doesn't change depending on the value of your instrument.
True🎹🎶
I have a very cheap guitar and a much better guitar ,but often practice on the cheap one just to see what l can get out of it ...
This is true for most things. Power tools, chef knives, furniture, bicycles and sports cars come to mind.
that's so cool! I'm a classical guitarist too, currently studying it in college 😁
@@michellem.8621 Thanks ,obviously the better guitar does sound a lot better but it,s a bit of a challenge to see what you can get out of a very cheap guitar ,then when you pick up the better guitar you appreciate it more ..
I don’t have expertise in pianos but I’m impressed that Yamaha as a company again excels in offering such finely engineered products at less than insane prices. I’m familiar with their studio monitors, and in the that product field, I can say they provide the same level of stellar engineering without bankrupting musicians. Hats off to them and their engineers :)
Yamaha electric basses are also very well regarded. Top-quality, comfortable and nice-looking instruments.
Yeah, yamaha mio is the best 😌
The Pleyel Grand Concerto was the best sounding by far (In my subjective opinion), it sounded like it had a story to tell and had been through wonders. But, then again I always learn toward the older pianos, they just sound like they have a soul.
To me every Yamaha sounds like a perfectly made piece of art, they all bring the perfect elements of the sound spectrum to be amazing to the ears
I prefer the yamaha too, which is why when they helped build the lexus lfa it became one of the best sounding cars in the world, car manufacturers should hire people who made musical instruments like these
Hello yes I had to preferred the Yamaha I took my grandson for piano lessons once and the man had a Yamaha it was not a particularly expensive one I think he’d paid £2000 for it but he did say he got it for a very good price at that the sound when he played was breathtaking it was as though I had
never heard of piano before, Whilst the others were good there was something different about the Yamaha some sweetness of the note some purity thank you
Yup Yamaha also make great sounding bikes... like my RD400....
Define, "amazing to the ears" please.
That's the problem with these kinds of comparisons - you can't. Not honestly, because your opinion of what sounds "amazing" is subjective to you. When I was younger my family owned a Yamaha for a bit, I hated how it sounded. So of course my parents ended up storing it in my bedroom, because why wouldn't they, and I got to listen to whoever playing it all the time, like fingernails on a chalkboard.
@@looneyburgmusic I define it as a warm but clean noise, in all of these recordings every yamaha did not bring out any excessive harshness to the sound as in not much mechanical noise or any unwanted piano parts resonating internally. They all sound like well made and have a consistent quality to them through their price ranges
The name of the song is: Frederic Chopin - Nocturne, posth. In C-Sharp Minor, Lento
Thank u !!!!
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Chopin nocturne c sharp minor
Thank you buddy
Beautiful
This may be due to mic proximity and surroundings, but I think the 8,000$ Yamaha at 1:26 sounded really beautiful - clearer and fuller than some of the grand pianos that followed it.
Yeah Yamaha have done a fantastic job getting such a deep and rich sound from an upright. Really shows how the construction and acoustic knowledge has continued improving.
My thoughts 💯
I have a Yamaha upright I got for a killer deal on Craigslist. So thankful.
I loved the Bartel and Berlin, and the yamaha upright
I loved the sound of all 3 Yamahas. My mom started me playing piano once I was 6 years old but my main instrument is Alto saxophone (been playing since 1989)
Thank you for choosing my favorite Chopin nocturne for this presentation!
My humble observations as a non-musician and most noteworthy to me:
1. The Barthol and Berlin was my favorite. A unique and rich sound that makes me think it’s mom had an affair with a lute.
2. I really liked the Yamaha Upright at first but it sounded a little synthetic for some reason the more I listened.
3. The Pleyel Grand Concerto was tied for my least favorite with the first one. It added a twang to each note that I found very unpleasant.
4. The Yamaha C2 seemed to have the most soul of the expensive ones and was probably my second favorite after the Barthol.
Very cool video, thank you.
Dude. Crazy how similar my thoughts were. And I know zero about music.
I'm musical and yet I still agree that Barthol & Berlin sounded wonderful. I like the chimy sparkly highs if it.
bartlhol OWN rules dudes ! :D
Yamaha base some of their electronic pianos on samples from this model upright. You’ve probably heard it on countless recordings because Clavinovas and the like are found in recording studios (and living rooms) all over the world. That might be why it sounds synthetic to you :) It’s actually one of the best classical piano synths in my opinion, especially for the price of their budget fully-weighted 88 key pianos.
@@bughouse1920 as far as I know Yamaha uses the CFX sample in meny of their digital pianos nowadays especially the Clavinova series, and for the older models they might have used the CFIII the CFX's predecessor🎹🎶
love how he checks up on his every now and then to see how we’re doing. so thoughtful wow
It's important to note that there's a lot of variation at every price point of pianos. There are plenty of grands, baby grands, and uprights that I have played and they've all had a different sound. From my experience, once you hit the base price point of a good upright (mid thousands for new), it's more about finding one that suits your ears rather than the most expensive one you can afford.
This!!!
Yep. Too many of the high dollar models sound tinny to me.
@@ikesquirrel did you try listening with good headphones?🎹🎶
I found going from 5k grand to 15k was a notable upgrade but not insane, but going from there to an 80k Steinway was not a huge difference.
However, I was completely blown away when I first tried playing on a 9 Foot Bosendorfer. Every dollar of improvement I've never been able to feel in an 80k piano I felt in that 300k Bosendorfer. It was amazing to play on.
Yes your username fits this so much
Yes !! What a difference. The last 3 sounded so good !!
I noticed a difference in sound between all of them, but after the huge jump between the $40 assembled piano and the $600 Berlin, i couldnt tell much difference that i could contribute to quality and price rather than different building methods to fit a different sound. Berlin for me sounded the best so i would find price after a certain point to be less indicative of subjective audio quality, and more about the quality of the craftsmanship, though even that seems to have diminishing returns given that the Berlin piano sounded like a dream despite being heavily used and over a century old.
I think you're right that different pianos are built differently to purposely sound different. But one of the factors that makes a piano expensive is how stable it is. How long wll it stay in tune, how will it respond to changes in temperature, etc.
To be honest I liked the 600$ one the most
Also called the louder always seems better effect. 600$ one seems the loudest
Can u tell me the name of the masterpiece?
@@cubertofu Im actually unsure. i looked around for a bit and couldnt find it. im sure someone else in the comments knows though
Meu avô era pianista, ele dizia que a diferença entre um piano e outro era o amor do músico pelo piano. Sdds do velho.
Sou tão lerdo que nem percebi a diferença
@@Srsamu-tu1hp sério? Kkkk SLA dar para perceber muito
@@lindembergjunior9172 kkk tô falando
Caraca seu avô deveria ser uma pessoa bem foda
@@lindembergjunior9172 tbm não só percebi o último kdks
The warm resonance of the notes in the more expensive models is beautiful. I've noted that most uprights have a slight metallic, or "tinny" sound. The only exception was my mother's upright which was also a player piano but had a baby grand's internal harp. The player mechanism had been removed by a well meaning friend for restoration and never returned to it. We would slide open the player doors when playing just to hear the sound more beautifully.
it would be interesting to hear a good upright piano that has been modified so that the hammers are at the end of the strings like a grand piano. it would look tall and silly but still, i'd love to hear what an upright sounded like re-engineered as a baby grand :)
I think upright pianos with grand piano harps are “console” pianos. At least the Baldwin my parents bought yrs ago was. It didn’t sound like a spinet or upright, but a baby grand. It had a great sound but there was something about the keyboard that wasn’t responsive enough so really exhausting to play a difficult piece.
Bingo!
@@susandelongis885 A friend had one of these Baldwin uprights and I loved to hear it but I never felt comfortable playing it because the keys felt "stiff" to me. Her mother could really make it sing.
"well meaning friend"
Those Yamahas are a great value. The more expensive pianos (generally) sound better, but the Yamahas are where they started sounding good, and you could rearrange most of them after that point and it would mostly be a matter of taste rather than quality.
The difference is very very noticeable, especially in the higher notes. I’m curious if the rooms they are in makes a big difference. I’d imagine the more expensive stuff is more likely to be in a room setup for music.
What's the song?
Definitely
@@ei8htb8ll i can't find song
@@22mfahrul98 yeah I don't know
@@ei8htb8ll Chopin - Nocturne in C Sharp Minor
The newer pianos sound crisper with their *"factory/manufacturer default tuning settings"*
However, the older already fine-tuned (by their users) baby/grand pianos just sounds more robust and full.
There's just something so diffrent on how their hammers work after they've been used and tuned so many times.
That's just my small opinion in light of the many other opinions.
that sounds snob af lmao
@@Neltu13 welcome to the world of music. Every true musician is some kind of snob. That's honestly how the art has developed.
I do not think you sounded snobbish at all.
You sounded to me as if your experience has had a passionate drive. And you shared your opinion. You didn't say it as if your word must be taken as fact because of authority. It sounded more personal, but humble.
Fk the other guy.
I came here cuz I was wondering why older pianos had this "tinkly" sound..
@@broadclothjack You mean how one piano can have a warm, and somber tone, and another sounds more bright, and tinny?
My best guess would be the materials used, and the condition of them, or the age.
Like the felt of a hammer, can be naturally softer, lighter, more plush.
Or the felt materials can be naturally firmer, denser, harder material.
It can become more dense over time, especially the notes struck more often.
Also the wood used for components can probably change the overall sounds you're listening to.
Like mahogany, or maple...
And components can change over time due to the relative humidity of the ambient air in the room. Dry, brittle, moist, dense, etc...
Yes. I can hear the difference. The cheap ones have less sustain, and at the end of each notes ring they get a tin sound verses the expensive ones that have the notes blend one into another giving you a more crisp intro to each note yet fluid sound.
Beautifully said
I was stuck and happy at YAMAHA as a non player. Loved watching and listening to sound quality on such varied piano brands. Sticker shock though...
The problem here is that the sound is recorded in different room every time, the isolation makes a huge different regarding the sound. But of course there is a different between a 40 dollar piano compare to a 289 thousand dollar piano.
The position of the field record also affects how it's going to sound. Since there are many different styles of pianos, the distance can change how loud and how much reverb in the sound you're going to pick up. You are spot on though!
I think the fact that few of the first cheapest is upright piano and few of the last are grand piano would make. The diifference as well right
Yeah but see where the recorder is placed - he has well minimised room acoustic effect 🙂
Yes and also the cheap ones needed some fixing and tuning too
You can clearly hear the way the key beds sound in the cheaper pianos is horrible. The sound get so much smoother as the price goes up. Environment plays some part. What the piano is made of is equal or greater variable in this equation. Imho.
I’ll be honest, I stopped noticing improvements after $8000. Only the cheapest one sounded actually bad to me.
That 1 million dollar one was just a waste of money in my opinion.
They do all sound unique and indeed are due to different variables.
I could tell some differences between the more expensive ones but I agree I would stop at the 8k one. The rest were subtlety different
I agree. 8k for that song does it enough justice that more expensive won't color up.
You're kidding
The cheaper pianos had a "tinny" sound. The more expensive pianos, from the Yamaha and up were smoother, richer sounding. This is my personal inexperienced ear.
Exactly what I was coming on to say, some notes sound harsher on the cheaper piano.
I really like that tin sound tbh
@@AlexSoetekouwProductions I think some types of songs actually need that tin sound for them to sound right!
@@carishaw4143 i.e. Thomas the tank engine theme
I think it depends on the purpose as well, the $53000 one’s sound can linger in a room and ring longer LOL if that makes any sense
I actually choked up when the Pleyel came on. I thought it sounded the best of the lot - such a sweet tone. As a young man I built harps for Lyon and Healy in Chicago. Steinway was owned by the same company as L & H and stored their pianos on the top floor of the building where our shop was located. Included among them was the concert grand that Horowitz insisted on using when performing in Chicago. It felt quite weird to sit down at that instrument.
That was a great way to compare them… no talking, just the same song played seamlessly, one into the next, so that you can really hear the differences. Great video thank you!
if he speaks, he limits his reach to other countries, he is a Brazilian.
In my opinion the Yamaha c2 was surprisingly nice, even compared to the more expensive and bigger grands.
My take too
I agree
Agree 2
Indeed.
Yep, so now i know my next piano will be at least $30k 🙃
I used to work at a performing arts centre as a technician.
It has a lyric theatre and a Cremorne theatre as well as many more...
I was called one day by the stage manager at the Cremorne who told me that a new piano had just been flown in from Germany and was on the stage right now.....
I rushed to the stage and there she was... Apparently it has cost upwards of $1.8 million.. Steinway... Literally flown in a dedicated plane all the way across the world (I'm in Australia) I just looked at it with awe.. but then the manager who was a friend asked if I wanted to play it... I was shaking but said yes.. I could barely put two chords together but she sounded like a dream..
This was 20 years ago now and I'll never forget it.
32 - 40 years ago for me, sneaking time on concert grands that I sometimes caught lurking on darkened stages at school. Once, my brother and I found 2 of them on the same stage, and played together. Those memories will last!
Have you watched the movie "green book" there is always a stainway piano and the movie it's lovely done.
I’m sure the piano was just lovely but for that money i’d rather have a $400 piano & A small cottage on the beach. 🤔
@@sunnydaze2359 where can you find a piano like that?🎹🎶
@@bistromathics6 Aww! That's sweet!
When producing music in studio recordings I often choose the cheap, upright piano with the honky Tonk sound because in the mix with the other instruments it sticks out a lot better because it has that brighter, and transient heavy attack which can sound a lot better in the mix than the baby grand or concert hall piano because those tend to sound too dark and soft. I think when the only instrument is the piano I may prefer the concert hall piano because it has a more dynamic and full sound, but in the mix the cheap pianos often sound better in my opinion.
Overwhelmingly The Yamaha Grand played last was virtually seamless ring and tone. It was lovely to hear. The White GB Grand had a very squeaky pedal, made it tough to like.
I could listen to your playing all day. Very nicely done video.
It was a bird. 🤦
@@tigerlily2941 ...You can literally see shit lifting in the piano at the same time as all the squeaks
@@Cobalt985 yeah that's normal. That happens in all pianos.
@Fat Rabbit LOL🎹🎶
Very good show, but it is important to mention that the room acoustics play a large role to the perceived sound. If all the pianos where exactly in the same place and space it would have more value as a test.
And then I could steal them all a lot easier!
I’m guessing the crap pianos were played in situ where they were for sale, or part of an estate sale; the concert grade pianos were exactly where you’d expect…
Tone and timbre are immediately apparent regardless of room acoustics. And when close mic-ing pianos (notice where the recorder is sitting for each piano), room acoustics are minimized.
Simple solution: bring your own room to build around the piano.
he will hire you to carry them around
Yamahas main focus is definitely their instrumental fleet and You can’t deny Yamaha isn’t the victor every time, check out Yamahas synths and electric pianos,drums,guitars..etc.
Freaking love Yamaha keyboards/synths, so fun.
Love their keyboards, pianos and what not. Their guitars are trash
@@Randall_jitsu Yup. Their electronics and pianos are amazing. Their guitars and drums are.... I don't know how to say it nicely?
Yamaha is definitely at the top. They’ve taken their instrumental proficiency to another level by applying it to their motors too. The Lexus LFA’s 1LR-GUE engine was codeveloped by Toyota & Yamaha. Yamaha worked on the engine’s acoustic factor & that car sounds like a literal masterpiece.
@@ThePener Never knew that? Pretty cool actually.
Kept laughing so hard at the equivalence comparisons 😂
I actually really like the Berlin at number 2 . It has some amazing resonance and depth you do not get on modern uprights and is keeping its pitch really well for a piano of that age. Would be interesting to put some Steinway strings on it and head what it sounds like . I imagine the action may be a bit shallow and stiff . The tuning on a number of the pianos is not good enough for a fair comparison. Some Yamaha grands are god awful, others are phenomenal, and the quality does not depend on the cost.
Unfortunately while some of the older pianos have tones that are majestic, mostly their backboard is gone and fixing the instrument will cost more than a cheap grand . The most amazing sounding upright I ever played was a broadwood I found for free on the side of the street . But yeah, I didn't have the 10k to spend on overhauling the piano.
yes i feel like the berlin sounds overall better with i think has a tiny bit more bass, but the other ones have a really crisp and sharp tone
I definitely felt it sounded better than the next step up. As it went higher, I'm not really sure if the test was fair, since he was obviously in some very acoustically different spaces, so I can't say much about subtle differences of sound.
@@gacorley that one had a tuning issue. Possibly a warped backboard. Might be a nice piano but for that, but the Berlin is somehow in tune despite being 100 years old
I know nothing about pianos, but imo that one sounded the best
I also like the Berlin more than the third piano. I'm surprised at how good the sound of the Yamaha electric upright is, and how responsive it is. My brother had an electric piano which I refused to play, it was dead.
While listening with one dollar earphone these pianos sounds just amazing.
LOL
@@tretansakera_war250
I know
Right
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I think the surrounding area where you're playing each one will change how they're heard. But the more expensive ones are somehow a little more subtle. Once you get into the tens of thousands of dollars, they all kinds sound the same. You're just seemingly paying for the craftsmanship
That smart comment I was looking for
It's exactly that, like my fellow maintenance tec buddy he said his mac tools wheel cart cost around 900 brand new and a cheap tool cart by us general is about 300 to 400 all your paying for is name brand lol same material just different brand
There are probably 2 mics inside the piano, so room acoustics dont count
@@bas4752 surely you were able to hear the varying echo/reverb acoustics in the different spaces. I’m not saying it affects the piano sound quality, but it most definitely is picked up by the mics which means it’s given to us in a unintended manner.
I think there is a big diffrence in person the longer grand has longer strings which meens longer sustain. It also has a bigger soundboard which makes the sound louder perfect for large spaces🎹🎶
As the value increases, so does the crispness of the piano key sounds. Yet those lower dollar pianos have a character that adds richness to those piano sounds. All in all, you are a talented piano player! 😁👍🏾
I love how he looks into the camera.
He’s like “you hearing this shit?”
His facial expression is killing me 😆😭😄😂🤣
He's thinking..... you hearing this Schmidt ? 😂
😂
Exactly ☺
Same thought😂
Was it just me or did that $8000 Yamaha upright sound freaking amazing? The tone was so dark and clean. I loved that.
No, I’m with you on that one.
depend on you headphones or speakers. For me 8000 sounds most interesting, not sure what is the reason. More expensive models sounds super clean, but 8000 model is reach of harmonics and I want to listen it again.
The clarity, wow; that purity of sound from even the first Yamaha, with a professional in the keys: literal music to my ears
My ears enjoyed the sound of the Yamaha as well
Yeah that 8k Yamaha would be my sweet spot
@@jennyzervakis9323 the best of the cheapest and smallest
Espectacular!!! que grande , me alegra ver que pudiste disfrutar de esas maravillas . Cuanto leí Loja de Pianos pensé en Río , en San Pablo (Brasil) hasta creí que la Yamaha había enloquecido al ponerle loja a uno de sus productos jajaja . La Ingeniería de 1928 creó una maravilla de instrumento además de arte , y la Yamaha en sus versiones (y a un costo estratosférico) la iguala o supera . Mi oído no es el de un profesional . disfruto de tus ocurrencias. Saludos desde Punta del Este. Uruguay
Stunning variety of expression of the pianist.
Now, to be really fair to the older upright pianos here, it would have been a good idea to call in the piano tuner first. I remember our old upright piano gradually degraded and always sounded fantastic after the tuner had finished his work. Obviously the new pianos in shops were relatively freshly tuned, as were the last few concert pianos.
Your looking right at the tuner
@@panzerofthelake506 yes the first few pianos weren’t all the way in tune. I don’t know if they simply have issues to where they can not be brought all the way in to tune. I imagine that may be the case
Also i wonder if you can condition the wood somehow on older pianos. Like all wood it dries out. Just buy the piano in a steam room for 30 minutes.
Even some of the later ones weren't really in tune, so it's a pretty misinforming video. However, a very successful misinforming video.
I love how he keeps looking at the camera as to say "SEE!"
Wtf are you talking about
@@SubwaySam10 You're too dumb to understand
@@SubwaySam10 Touch Rope
say "hear"
@@domusch111 hear,hear
Can definitely hear a difference, particularly early on... But wow... Very nice
The difference from the cheapo to the 600$ one was mind boggling, lol. Thought the 600 sounded better than the 1200. 8000 sound really stepped it up in quality. Sound difference between the 8000 and 17,000 wasn't so noticable, although the 31,000 had a much crisper sound to it. 53,000 didn't seem all that great, although that 289,000 one had a very nice and creamy sound to it.
The last one sounded the best
@@pianoforte1720 ... but it needed more cowbell.
Hi what’s up with you
I loved the $600 Barthol and Berlin one. It sounded a little twangy probably from age and being vintage, but very similar to the $53k pleyel! But the voicing was rather consistent and mellow and so sweet. Didn't like the first Yamaha at all thought they were rather muted and echoey which takes away from the performance and clarity of the piece.. the second baby grand and third C2 Yamaha top notes kept disappearing after holding..
It's the best one
Yeah but how much of that was room acoustics
Probably listening through your phone and saying this…hilarious.
You speak like a pro!
You Get What You Pay For Applies To Everything!
As a musician I could hear alot of off tones in the cheaper ones with a whole lot of undertones that weren't meant to be there almost. As you got towards the end it was such a soft pure sound with the higher keys having almost like a soft pop instead of a sharp twang.
I'm not a musician and I can hear off notes as clear as day.
@@shan7180 as a musician I might add that musicians like to say 'as a musician' because it makes them feel special
I'm not a musician and the first one sounded tinny and out of tune. The 17k piano you could hear the pedals squeak.
@@gelatinbros6118 lol
It was weird to me because it felt like they got more rich in the higher frequencies to a point and then went more for a warm middle tone. The $260k piano was the best sounding but only by a little. That completely value and Walmart-esque $60k piano was every bit it’s equivalent.
Yes, my ears sucks but still can hear the difference. Ultimately, still need a good player. Thank you for showing us the difference.
The first one sounded out of tune. The third piano their was a significant difference but the fourth was utterly amazing. It transformed the song to a completely different sound and style.
* *there*
I'd love to hear P!nk's "Just like a pill" on all of them. I'd suspect it's a bell curvem, getting better with price until the 3rd or 4th piano, and then sounding too clean ;)
What is the name of the music?
Why is he continously looking at us lol 😆
In the late 80s there was a piano store in downtown Pittsburgh. One day they let me play all the pianos in order of lowest to highest price. They were arranged from cheapest in front to expensive in back. The $96,000 (1988 price-not adjusted for inflation) Bosendorfer at the very rear of the shop was absolutely divine! For the quality it was actually a better deal than some of the 15 to 20 thousand dollar pianos in the shop.
The difference between the lower end pianos vs the first yamaha upright was a huge leap in sound quality. However the fight between the higher end models, is much harder to hear. Once you get to the 8k yamaha can you really say you hear any difference from it vs the 300k concert piano. You probably can in person but not online.
Get a pair of Sennheiser headphones and you will hear quite a difference between the Yamaha upright and the CFX.
@@billybobjones4317 Get a pair of Yamaha headphones and you will hear quite more a difference between the Yamaha upright and the CFX
Day of the jackal : I totally agree with you. I play the piano & would be more than happy with the $8000 one.
Diminishing returns
@@shaunportlock4924 the video only givs you an idia of the sound, but not the full sound of the piano. To hear that you need to be infrunt of the piano, and if possible play it so you can also feel how it responds to your playing🎹🎶
Wow, he is a great pianist. What a treat! You get the sense that these musicians SHOULD always be playing on the best instruments.
I liked the $600 one best
$600 , one was best combo of sound and price for a working class family
$600 , one was best combo of sound and price for a working class family
I agree. I grew up playing a fairly cheep studio piano that sounded times better than most of anything I ever encountered at church or other's houses.
Yeah I agree I thought it sounded the best as well not sure why but it just stood out the most. Now that I think about it I think I think it reminds me of my late Grandma's piano when I was a kid it sounds just like it
Agree
I'm surprised by the fact that you can build a piano for $40 bucks.
He said it was built from piano parts probably made in someone's garage
A lot of people are giving away uprights these days. They take up space and peoples' spaces are getting smaller. A good digital piano with good headphones is often a trade off that people are willing to make. If you look around for a while you might find an upright for an astonishingly good price.
@@joyofpoverty5058 although, most of them are probably not in good condition🎹🎶
@@joyofpoverty5058 Indeed, a lot of folks are trading them out for space reasons (though a decent digital piano has a similar footprint), but more so because the maintenance and tuning costs are quite high. An acoustic piano should be tuned a couple of times a year, which costs upwards of $60 a time...
Some pianos in U.K. it’s for free, donation, 40$ it’s a good price
IMO the $17k baby grand and the $31k Yamaha C2 had the best sound.
But it's so hard to compare the sounds of multiple pianos in different spaces, the sound quality is going to be different between an apartment, a store, a warehouse etc.
ruclips.net/video/6a5YErPCuVo/видео.html..
i agree, however, there are minor differences you can pick up with some headphones.
a lot of things like projection and resonance are really lost over video. those are definitely sufficient for even professional concerts, but the sound of a CFX Grand in a concert hall would be noticeable over the others
The $17k piano would be OK if they'd fixed the squeaky pedal.
@@mrrandomperson3106 Tell me about it! That was driving me crazy
Great channel by the way.