I wear a helmet mirror when I'm riding both my bike and my scooter, so I see how cars behave before they pass me. Drivers don't seem to know what to do with a scooter. Sometimes they slow way down and tail me like they're afraid to pass, sometimes they blow by way too close or cut me off to turn into a driveway. On my bike they treat me just like another vehicle. It's much more predictable when I'm on a bike. I think people just need time to adjust.
Even though my scooter can hang with the traffic at 30mph, drivers seem to want to speed up and pass me when they see me ahead. Idk what ppl are thinking, like "Oh look, a guy on a scooter. Lets speed up and pass him as close as physically possible." 🤦♂️ Even when I'm on little side roads where the speed limit is 15 or 25, even with double no pass lines and blind corners, it's like they just HAVE TO pass me. They're obsessive about it. Like I'm gonna make them late for something, or they're stuck behind me and it's driving them crazy... Idk if they think I'm going slower than they realize or what, but I can't stand it. The crap is terrifying, esp on bridges.
@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592 There is also the possibility that they are overtaking you because they are afraid that you might swerve unpredictably or crash and they want to be "upstream" when it happens.
My experience in residential suburbs has been that drivers fall into one the two extremes: They are either way too nice for scooters (they have right of way, but still stay stopped) as they likely don't know what to do when they see a scooter... OR they equate you a to pedestrian (likely because you're standing) and expect you to stop on a dime or be moving at 3 mph max, or just get out of the road period. I was almost run over IN THE BIKE LANE about a month ago as some jerk decided that was a passing lane... But obviously everyone's experiences will vary depending on what jerks are out driving. Very nice review. I did most of this same research as well in looking at an e-bike VS getting the MAX G2, specifically with the Lectric XP 2.0 and 3.0 (other than actually riding one). Went with the G2 as it fit my needs and really doesn't require tire maintenance/repair - namely roadside repairs. Still nice to have an e-bike for cargo, or when you have more leisure time - which would allow for time to fix a flat. The best compromise I've seen is to either get solid bike tires (only for non-fat tires that I know of) or inserts that are basically similar material - like Tannus Armour... But that does add about $100~150 to the cost, and will change the ride feel.
Great stuff. You answered all of my questions as I'm preparing to buy my first ebikes,. 70 years old and forgot to grow up! Thanks much for the review,,, exactly what I needed!
Sean, cars are so mean to me on my Kaabo Wolf King GT Pro. It’s rare that I’ll go on a ride without a car honking at me for passing them or for no reason at all. Or someone yelling at me thru their window. I get tons of compliments as well but people are 100% nicer to bicycle riders.
The part I do not like about the Lectrics and what kept me from getting one is that key. I like there being a key to unlock, and to remove the battery, but I would rather just lock the battery in, and insert the key into the handlebar as an on switch. I ended up going with a different more expensive ebike just basically because of that, an Aventon Sinch.
the key lock place is one thing that I dont like, I almost went for their new version that will release this month in january it has the lock in a better location, tho the ebike is not foldable.. and goes for a little more around 1300 and has a little less range and better look.
Love seeing an e-bike review! Would absolutely love to see you continuing to review both. I personally find love for both. They’re good for different situations imo. I’d love to give suggestions on reviews if you take ‘em! I’m sure other folks would as well. :)
I find that drivers give me more respect on my scooter than my e-bike, I think because it seems cooler and I'm going with the flow of traffic. That's why my next e-bike will be able to do 40 MPH at minimum. Having a seat, the better balance, the cargo capacity: e-bikes are better, but scooters are faster.
This is a helpful video, I’ve been going back and forth on whether I want to get an e-bike or scooter and I’ve been trying to think through how my actual experience will differ between the two.
I had to fix my roommate’s Lectric XP so many times with inexcusable engineering failures that I would never buy one or recommend them to a beginner. Examples: Fuse HOLDER that burns out instead of the fuse. Selling him a replacement battery instead of telling him about the fuse. Putting the fuse behind an Engrish “no tear off” warranty seal in the first place when the entire point is to make it user-accessible. Having a lock that just doesn’t retract when you need it to. Having a controller that gets moisture in it and fails.
The brand is now established ending the buy vs. build debate. There was a cargo 22" tire model but the guys @ elecktrek help to cancel what I preferred. I also prefer 3.0 wide as compared to 2.4 or 4.0. That is my feedback.
Yeah, I really liked these tires. I haven't spent much time around 4" tire bikes, but it just seems like a ridiculous amount of rolling resistance for not much gain, unless you want to ride on sand. -Paul
Lectric appears to market decent ebikes, and they certainly have a loyal and supportive following. But they are now outclassed by the competition. The new Ride1UP Portola is the last nail in the coffin. At the time I am writing this (11/14) the Portola (with standard battery) is selling for $899...with a 750 motor, a better derailleur, a higher quality battery, better suspension, and (best of all) an easily accessible battery you can remove without folding the bike.
I think a major thing that was touched on in this video is a torque sensor vs a cadence sensor. I bought a popular e-bike that was equipped with a cadence sensor and found that the 100% power pushed out no matter how slow I peddled was annoying and unnatural. I ended up returning it for a more expensive version of the bike that was equipped with a torque sensor. World of a difference! Far more natural and akin to my riding style. Each person should decide for themselves which works better for them, especially if you’ve perhaps had a leg/knee injury in the past etc.
I also have a Rad Rover 6 e-bike to go along with my Apollo Phantom and I think they do accompany each other quite well. The bike is great for carrying lots of stuff with a rear rack and some pannier bags. Also if I know where I am going is going to be very bumpy I would rather take the bike. Also I feel much safer riding the bike when it's wet out. The scooter is much faster and devours hills and easier to take with me if I have to.
That recall was for earlier versions of this bike with mechanical disc brakes. The XP 3.0 now has hydraulic disc brakes. I just read about it and the recall was voluntary on Lectric’s part. So one of the advantages of buying from a larger brand with based in the US or with support based here in the US, is that they’d have a recall when a problem is identified. -Paul
Do you guys have any video recommendations on how to fix my apollo phantom hydraulic brakes whenever i pull the handle the calipers barely move and ive been relying on regen for a couple of months
We don't have a video on bleeding brakes yet. That's a great suggestion. I'd recommend finding a video on bleeding mountain bike brakes and it should get you in the ball park. This is the adapter kit I use, and it makes all the difference. I don't think it includes mineral oil, but any mountain bike brake compatible mineral oil will work. For me, what works best is removing the fill screw on the master cylinder, screwing in a funnel, then using a syringe to push fluid up from the caliper to the master cylinder. -Paul
Wow, there are a lot of negatives on this. I have seen lots of positives though on other channels regarding this ebike. Also, they have upgraded this bike too. I’ve been debating on which budget (around $1000) ebike to get. I have a very small storage space and the foldable ebikes seems like the better deal, but really heavy too. Still weighing the options.
The Lectrict XP 3.0 is my first ebike and I really enjoy it, BUT upgrade for a better seat you will, bust your butt on the one that comes with it when you hit even minor bumps.....also mine came delivered with the wiring wrong. my other issue is they make it sound like it is a breeze to fold and put in your car, but its a beast, its heavy and one half swings away from the other when you try and lift it in the car, and it comes apart when you put it in, metal parts catrching on parts of your cars enterior sometimes parts such as the chain will come off when you do so. that said, its a zippy little bike.
@@beazy96I ended up going with Lectric xp3.0 and customer service was amazing. I had nothing but problems with the first one so they let me returned it and they sent me a new one that works perfect and gave me $200 credit for accessories.
Best selling in the U.S.??? I've never heard of this brand, let alone seen one of these bikes before. There's no way these have sold more units that the Super 73. Those things are *everywhere*.
Tiny batteries and no UL listing. China keeps dumping cheaper and cheaper bikes and it doesn’t bode well for Lectric since they have no cost advantage versus Chinese brands. You can find lots of better bikes with much better specs for less.
Great video but there is always 2 sides you have to be aware of. There is alot not to like with this company and e-bike. I was shipped a badly damaged bike and Lectric did not want to refund me my money. At this point they could care less about me as a valued customer, it was all about the money now. They told me to read there return policy. There return policy does state: "All sales final" even on a damged bike?? There customer service is terrible if there is a legit issue. Had to go thru legal channels to get my money back on a bike i was never able to ride. Lets face it the XP 3.0 is a cheap bike by E-bike standards and they do have production quality issues and shipping damage issues. If you receive a non damaged bike you may be happy. I would stick with companies like Heybike, Mokwheel, Ride1up, Jasion and the Victrip Janus dual battery folding e-bikes which is a better bike.
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I wear a helmet mirror when I'm riding both my bike and my scooter, so I see how cars behave before they pass me. Drivers don't seem to know what to do with a scooter. Sometimes they slow way down and tail me like they're afraid to pass, sometimes they blow by way too close or cut me off to turn into a driveway. On my bike they treat me just like another vehicle. It's much more predictable when I'm on a bike. I think people just need time to adjust.
Thanks for sharing.
Even though my scooter can hang with the traffic at 30mph, drivers seem to want to speed up and pass me when they see me ahead. Idk what ppl are thinking, like "Oh look, a guy on a scooter. Lets speed up and pass him as close as physically possible." 🤦♂️
Even when I'm on little side roads where the speed limit is 15 or 25, even with double no pass lines and blind corners, it's like they just HAVE TO pass me. They're obsessive about it. Like I'm gonna make them late for something, or they're stuck behind me and it's driving them crazy... Idk if they think I'm going slower than they realize or what, but I can't stand it. The crap is terrifying, esp on bridges.
@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592 There is also the possibility that they are overtaking you because they are afraid that you might swerve unpredictably or crash and they want to be "upstream" when it happens.
I recognize the areas you went to in this video. Good to see popular, local people doing these types of videos
My experience in residential suburbs has been that drivers fall into one the two extremes: They are either way too nice for scooters (they have right of way, but still stay stopped) as they likely don't know what to do when they see a scooter... OR they equate you a to pedestrian (likely because you're standing) and expect you to stop on a dime or be moving at 3 mph max, or just get out of the road period. I was almost run over IN THE BIKE LANE about a month ago as some jerk decided that was a passing lane... But obviously everyone's experiences will vary depending on what jerks are out driving.
Very nice review. I did most of this same research as well in looking at an e-bike VS getting the MAX G2, specifically with the Lectric XP 2.0 and 3.0 (other than actually riding one). Went with the G2 as it fit my needs and really doesn't require tire maintenance/repair - namely roadside repairs. Still nice to have an e-bike for cargo, or when you have more leisure time - which would allow for time to fix a flat. The best compromise I've seen is to either get solid bike tires (only for non-fat tires that I know of) or inserts that are basically similar material - like Tannus Armour... But that does add about $100~150 to the cost, and will change the ride feel.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Great stuff. You answered all of my questions as I'm preparing to buy my first ebikes,. 70 years old and forgot to grow up! Thanks much for the review,,, exactly what I needed!
Sean, cars are so mean to me on my Kaabo Wolf King GT Pro. It’s rare that I’ll go on a ride without a car honking at me for passing them or for no reason at all. Or someone yelling at me thru their window. I get tons of compliments as well but people are 100% nicer to bicycle riders.
The part I do not like about the Lectrics and what kept me from getting one is that key. I like there being a key to unlock, and to remove the battery, but I would rather just lock the battery in, and insert the key into the handlebar as an on switch. I ended up going with a different more expensive ebike just basically because of that, an Aventon Sinch.
Insightful! Thanks for sharing.
the key lock place is one thing that I dont like, I almost went for their new version that will release this month in january it has the lock in a better location, tho the ebike is not foldable.. and goes for a little more around 1300 and has a little less range and better look.
@@joellee6142what is the name of that new lectric ebike coming out?
@@sebastianmoscoso9404 xpeak is the new one, I think its been shipping since this month if they are on schedule..
Their customer service is also not good from my experience.
Love seeing an e-bike review!
Would absolutely love to see you continuing to review both.
I personally find love for both. They’re good for different situations imo.
I’d love to give suggestions on reviews if you take ‘em! I’m sure other folks would as well. :)
Thanks so much for stopping by!
I find that drivers give me more respect on my scooter than my e-bike, I think because it seems cooler and I'm going with the flow of traffic. That's why my next e-bike will be able to do 40 MPH at minimum. Having a seat, the better balance, the cargo capacity: e-bikes are better, but scooters are faster.
Thanks so much. Which 40mph e-bike do you have your eye on? -Paul
Drivers do seem more likely to be nice to bikers than scooter riders…also based solely on my anecdotal experience but it does seem true!
Ha! I knew it :-)
I’m curious to hear how many people have had this experience :-) -Paul
Drivers seems to hate us all. It’s a super fun time.
This is a helpful video, I’ve been going back and forth on whether I want to get an e-bike or scooter and I’ve been trying to think through how my actual experience will differ between the two.
Ebike is more casual commuter!
Don't get the Lectric.
I had to fix my roommate’s Lectric XP so many times with inexcusable engineering failures that I would never buy one or recommend them to a beginner.
Examples: Fuse HOLDER that burns out instead of the fuse. Selling him a replacement battery instead of telling him about the fuse. Putting the fuse behind an Engrish “no tear off” warranty seal in the first place when the entire point is to make it user-accessible. Having a lock that just doesn’t retract when you need it to. Having a controller that gets moisture in it and fails.
Thanks for the feedback!
This, and their customer service sucks.
The brand is now established ending the buy vs. build debate. There was a cargo 22" tire model but the guys @ elecktrek help to cancel what I preferred. I also prefer 3.0 wide as compared to 2.4 or 4.0. That is my feedback.
Yeah, I really liked these tires. I haven't spent much time around 4" tire bikes, but it just seems like a ridiculous amount of rolling resistance for not much gain, unless you want to ride on sand. -Paul
...and with sand you need 5.0 tires for floatation.
Lectric appears to market decent ebikes, and they certainly have a loyal and supportive following. But they are now outclassed by the competition. The new Ride1UP Portola is the last nail in the coffin. At the time I am writing this (11/14) the Portola (with standard battery) is selling for $899...with a 750 motor, a better derailleur, a higher quality battery, better suspension, and (best of all) an easily accessible battery you can remove without folding the bike.
And their customer service is not good.
Internal combined gates belt/and gear's is nice also
Thanks for your insight! -Paul
More ebikes please! Would love to see your thoughts on velotric bikes.
Will do!
Has to be better than Lectric.
My new XP 3.0 does not have the 180mm brakes. Same size as my XP 2.0. Made me question what else it does not have that was advertised.
I would contact lectric and inquire!
I think a major thing that was touched on in this video is a torque sensor vs a cadence sensor. I bought a popular e-bike that was equipped with a cadence sensor and found that the 100% power pushed out no matter how slow I peddled was annoying and unnatural. I ended up returning it for a more expensive version of the bike that was equipped with a torque sensor. World of a difference! Far more natural and akin to my riding style. Each person should decide for themselves which works better for them, especially if you’ve perhaps had a leg/knee injury in the past etc.
I'm curious, how much was the price difference when you bought the bike with a torque sensor? -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide It was +$200 over the cadence sensor bike.
What do you think - this or the emove Roadrunner V2?
Roadrunner for the win! You can use code RIDERGUIDE for $50 off
emove
I also have a Rad Rover 6 e-bike to go along with my Apollo Phantom and I think they do accompany each other quite well. The bike is great for carrying lots of stuff with a rear rack and some pannier bags. Also if I know where I am going is going to be very bumpy I would rather take the bike. Also I feel much safer riding the bike when it's wet out. The scooter is much faster and devours hills and easier to take with me if I have to.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing
Was this review after the 45000 Letric bike recall for bad brakes?
That recall was for earlier versions of this bike with mechanical disc brakes. The XP 3.0 now has hydraulic disc brakes.
I just read about it and the recall was voluntary on Lectric’s part. So one of the advantages of buying from a larger brand with based in the US or with support based here in the US, is that they’d have a recall when a problem is identified. -Paul
Not good bikes, bad customer service.
Do you guys have any video recommendations on how to fix my apollo phantom hydraulic brakes whenever i pull the handle the calipers barely move and ive been relying on regen for a couple of months
We don't have a video on bleeding brakes yet. That's a great suggestion. I'd recommend finding a video on bleeding mountain bike brakes and it should get you in the ball park.
This is the adapter kit I use, and it makes all the difference. I don't think it includes mineral oil, but any mountain bike brake compatible mineral oil will work.
For me, what works best is removing the fill screw on the master cylinder, screwing in a funnel, then using a syringe to push fluid up from the caliper to the master cylinder. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thank you
Wow, there are a lot of negatives on this. I have seen lots of positives though on other channels regarding this ebike. Also, they have upgraded this bike too. I’ve been debating on which budget (around $1000) ebike to get. I have a very small storage space and the foldable ebikes seems like the better deal, but really heavy too. Still weighing the options.
Many options for sure!
Lectric is still too big and heavy when folded.
I did go with the Xp3. Loving it! 👍
I hope this is the start of a new series,with belt drives and hill power,possibly for people high up in flats/apartments
How big is the weight difference? -Paul
Great review!
The Lectrict XP 3.0 is my first ebike and I really enjoy it, BUT upgrade for a better seat you will, bust your butt on the one that comes with it when you hit even minor bumps.....also mine came delivered with the wiring wrong. my other issue is they make it sound like it is a breeze to fold and put in your car, but its a beast, its heavy and one half swings away from the other when you try and lift it in the car, and it comes apart when you put it in, metal parts catrching on parts of your cars enterior sometimes parts such as the chain will come off when you do so. that said, its a zippy little bike.
Thanks for the feedback!
Fat bike tyres come off the rim when you get a puncture
and it makes you fall off the bike
Been there and done it😢
Hope you were ok.
I feel like any tire will come off the rim if you’re riding while completely flat though. Fortunately these are pre-slimed -Paul
okay, when will we see Paul on an EUC
I think we'll get there eventually. As a motorcyclist, I'm afraid I might really like EUC's once I get the hang of it. -Paul
Can you recommend one that’s available in the UK please
Please email Lectric and they will let you know if they have dealers in your country.
When they launched this bike it had mechanical disks.
Thanks for letting us know. -Paul
Hello! I want to make an Electric scooter online store, do you have any idea where to start?
Find a brand you want to sell as a first step
Can you review the RadRover 6+ please?
I have one of you wanted to review that one
Thanks for the suggestion! I looked that one up just now. We'd love to start reviewing some RadPower bikes soon. We'll see. -Paul
Better than Lectric
You should review the d series d38u ninebot
Like ninebot d series
Thanks for the suggestion. It's amazing how many different scooters Ninebot makes! We'll review as many as we can. -Paul
Would you pick this or the mokwheel Mesa Plus ST?
This!
Anything but Lectric. Customer service is not good.
@@beazy96I ended up going with Lectric xp3.0 and customer service was amazing. I had nothing but problems with the first one so they let me returned it and they sent me a new one that works perfect and gave me $200 credit for accessories.
OOF, thumbnail says it can only carry 150lbs, I'm 175 myself... I'd break that thing
The luggage rack can carry 150. The total capacity is 330lbs -Paul
The 150 lbs is for the passenger... It can carry about 330 lbs all together
I have a brand new RadPower RadRover 6+ you could review
We will be reviewing more e-bikes soon!
The Ride 1 Up Portola just entered the chat....
We have not tested that one yet!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Solid challenger at the same price point that might give the XP 3.0 a run for it's money.
Better bike and Lectric customer service is crap.
Best selling in the U.S.??? I've never heard of this brand, let alone seen one of these bikes before. There's no way these have sold more units that the Super 73. Those things are *everywhere*.
Yes they sold much more then Super 73!
The bikes aren't that good and their customer service sucks.
Tiny batteries and no UL listing. China keeps dumping cheaper and cheaper bikes and it doesn’t bode well for Lectric since they have no cost advantage versus Chinese brands. You can find lots of better bikes with much better specs for less.
Thanks for stopping by!
UL certification is a must for me as I live in a Condo.
Absolutely better bikes than Lectric!
Love Lectric lite. My fave tho is Engwe e pro on the e-bikes goes 32 mph without pedaling. But Ya RRpro is king 👑
Thanks for stopping by!
The 'fun zone', huh? Wait till these folks review their first euc :)
Should be awesome!
Nice bike but I love scooters
Both are cool!
You really forgot to say its folding bike
Noted!
And still a big, heavy one.
💯‼️💙
Great video but there is always 2 sides you have to be aware of. There is alot not to like with this company and e-bike. I was shipped a badly damaged bike and Lectric did not want to refund me my money. At this point they could care less about me as a valued customer, it was all about the money now. They told me to read there return policy. There return policy does state: "All sales final" even on a damged bike?? There customer service is terrible if there is a legit issue. Had to go thru legal channels to get my money back on a bike i was never able to ride. Lets face it the XP 3.0 is a cheap bike by E-bike standards and they do have production quality issues and shipping damage issues. If you receive a non damaged bike you may be happy. I would stick with companies like Heybike, Mokwheel, Ride1up, Jasion and the Victrip Janus dual battery folding e-bikes which is a better bike.
Insightful! Thanks for sharing.
Yes, their return policy and customer service sucks. I had similar issues.
Bike is so junk
It’s the best selling e-bike in the U.S. which bike do you like better for $1k?
-Paul
Why did my bike die at 300 mile then,Mr know it all
Yes, this! And bad customer service.