It is. When I saw the specs I was just shaking my head, because I knew what the graph would look like if it was real. Then I tested it and graphed it.... it really messed up the standard graph I use. Everything else is all squashed together now, way down low in the graph!. -Paul
As a RR RS5 max owner,I approve this video by far.Both freakin scooters for the price and spec is the best.Got 500 miles so far with no issues and loving it other than I live outside Philadelphia and dreading the winter but another BANGER from ESG👍love the channel.
I figured I'd comment since I own both the Teewing and the Kukirin. I have both and to be honest they are almost identical minus the paint. I've had them appart and there are small differences like nut and bolt selection between them can be different. The battery from a bms and cell configuration are the same however I noticed the controllers were slightly different. Charging, range and speed / power are so close you wouldn't be able to notice a difference. I weigh 220lbs and am 6ft tall, it goes 35 on flat ground wide open but mixed riding I regularly average 38 to 45 miles per charge but there are not alot of hills where I ride. I fit on it just fine and is a comfortable ride suspension wise. I put red loctite on anything I don't plan to ever remove and blue on everything else. Mine has never fallen apart, had a bolt or nut come loose or given me any issues in over 1100 hard miles on and off road. I have never had an issue with the stem or lock ever. I do have a wall plug that limits charging to 12 hours as to not over charge and I have had literally no issues. At 500 miles I upgraded my rotors and pads, I lubed all bearings with Bones Speed Cream(Skateboard Company) and applied loctite red and blue where needed. The controls are easy to use, you can multi press the light button 2x 3x and 4x to turn on or off different features instead of the touch screen. Something Paul didn't mention is the scooter has cruise control also. You have to enable it but once you do If you hold the throttle at a steady speed for 4-5 seconds it will set the cruise. Braking cancels. Is it the best scooter ever? No, does it get the job done for a great price? Yes. Its fun to ride, very stable, comfortable and really shines at cruising in the 23-28 mph zone. If you don't mind the weight, and plan ahead for charging it is awesome in my opinion. My only gripe is if you want to upgrade the brakes it can be difficult. Both calipers are on the right side in a mirrored configuration and 140mm rotors are kinda small. You can fit 160mm without issue but would have to find a mirrored set of hydraulic calipers with 2pin connector levers. I added new 140mm rotors with a different compound pad (not resin) and can stop on a dime and it will lock up the rear wheel even with the mechanicals. I also added 2x led projector lights for night riding cause the included light is... Weak Haha. but that's it. I prefer the color of the Teewing so that is the one I ride. Sorry for the long winded rant but wanted to provide some real world experience to the mix.
This is great information, thank you very much for sharing. I ordered the G4 and want to upgrade the braking pads as soon as possible (will also apply silicone sealant to waterproof it a little bit and apply loctite like you said) but I didn't quite understand what you meant at the end there with the mirrored configuration. Would there be any guide for it that you know of? Thank you!
These scooter models are made at the same factory as KuKirin, and KuKirin scooters are popular in my region and in other Russian-speaking countries. Their main focus is speed and battery, but at the same time they save on everything else, which is why there are stories on the Internet, for example, about how a person's wheel broke while driving or how these scooters' batteries catch fire... In addition, they have no waterproofing at all, which, by the way, was not mentioned in the review. Therefore, if you want to constantly repair your scooter, as well as risk your health and property, then buy these models, and as for me, I'd rather not ride fast, but I'll ride safely and calmly. I heard from one scooter repairman that there has not been a single case of battery fire in Segway scooters in the world, and also that they almost never break down and do not require frequent maintenance, so the choice is obvious for me.
Thanks so much for the feedback. The spec for water protection is IPX4, which is the lowest we've seen on scooters other than having none at all. I'd agree Segway scooters definitely have an edge over most other brands when it comes to build quality and safety. They have a lot more engineering dollars to play with and are very conservative with the performance of their scooters, which also helps reliability. -Paul
This is so true. Lots of reviews miss the most important thing about scooters and its reliability after long time ownership. My second scooter was the Segway Ninebot G30P and it was incredible. The only issue I had was punctured tires. My 3rd scooter was an emove touring which just kept having maintenance problems and the braking cable connector snapped on me which could have been really dangerous. I decided to buy another G30P because I missed feeling safe.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for the reply. I'm curious to know how the suspension feels on the GT2 and GT4 compared to the Segway ZT3 Pro? In what order would you place them based on comfort?
Sunred oem previous models/versions weren’t that good and not reliable. But to fair to them, they seems to have listened the feedbacks and improved their latest models/versions. But only time will tell…
@@Experiment-lr7sm I hope all companies will start making quality scooters and not compete with each other only in speed and power. I would rather pay extra for reliability than risk my health or property. In general, demand sets trends in the market, so buyers are more to blame here.
An excellent review, Paul. I really enjoyed this one because these two rides really reshape the single motor landscape that we're used to. I lean toward the GT2 because of the stem construction. Kukirin also uses that double I-beam, bolted construction on at least one of their models and it's notoriously disliked. Even with loc-tite, they tend to loosen up and if ignored too long, have even disassembled while riding the scooter. As you pointed out, that stem latch is about as non-reassuring as any design available today, a very odd design considering the liabilities. I could live with it but I'd have to cut or 3D print a block to wedge behind that push latch. It would requiring the removal of the block to push that latch inward. I fitted wood block painted black or rubber block might be ideal as it would friction fit that gap. It's nice to see work being done in the single motor segment. I'm in AZ and most of the places I ride are relatively flat. I do go out of my way to find hills but I'm typically doing that on a dual motor sport. There's been a trend toward torquey scooters like those from VMAX but they all seem to limit out at 24-25mph. Even though these scooters from Teewing don't accelerate and climb as well, higher sustained cruise speeds and the ability to go faster, are often the measure of how much I'll enjoy a scooter in the long term. It's why I still own my Emove Cruiser S. Much of the time I cruise around at 17-19mph but can zip along a stretch at 31+mph if I need or want to. A faster scooter ridden slower is more efficient that a slower scooter running at or close to its max. I love having the "headroom" (Paul will get that term) of a faster scooter even when that speed potential isn't in use. I don't thank you enough for all the work you do at ESG but it's sure appreciated. It's a huge part of my weekly intake of everything electric scooters.
Thank you so much. That really means a lot to me. I look forward to your analysis here in the comments section each time we publish. I’m really enjoying these big singles. One of the things I like is that you can really feel the reduced unsprung mass in the front wheel. (Not sure if that comment made it in the review or got cut for time). Oh, and headroom for sure! My hobby at home is playing with vintage solid state amplifiers. Lately it’s Proceed amps designed by Levinson and built by Madrigal Labs in the US. (Same outfit that built the Levinson amps of the period). -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide You absolutely did mention the unsprung weight up front and I was definitely tracking with you. You mentioned being able to pull that front end up at will. I also like how carefree & stabby you can be with the throttle, right at the apex of 90° turn that you had to trail brake into. On something like the Klima, for example, I have to finesse the throttle carefully at that lean angle. Haha! I knew you'd know that term as you seem to have a brain that's dialed into engineering and statistics. So cool about your amp hobby! I had three solid state amps at one time, my dad giving me his old Marantz receiver, kicking off the interest. I found an inexpensive McIntosh MC2105 locally in walnut exterior that matched the Marantz and had them stacked in a cabinet with an old JBL SA-660. They were run through a switching unit where I could listen to them on different speaker sets...haha. When the prices went up I sold two pieces to fund other hobbies. Small beans compared to the equipment you mentioned though. All that Mark Levinson stuff is amazing. P.S. Love the longer videos btw, no need to shorten them too much. One of my favorites was your video of the VX4 making a lap around the City.
Teewing must have installed some electric nitrous in those motors. They sure get unheard of performance for single motor scooters at that price. Great review. Thank you.
Thank you so much. It’s always so surprising when a scooter ruins one of my graphs like that. Makes it hard to see the details of the other scooters! -Paul
EVE cells at this price point are definitely a bonus. It definitely gives Teewing and edge as compared to the other brands manufactured at the same manufacturer.
These two scooters are marketed in Europe as Kukirin G2 and G4, with different colors. What was not said in the test is that they are cheap because their reliability is 0. They cannot be used in the rain because they constantly get wet. There is no mudguard at the front, and you will be covered in mud from the back in the rain. The steering wheel is prone to drizzle. The bearings and brakes are made of cheap crap material. A Segway G2 is a reliable scooter that will cover thousands of miles without failure, in any weather.
This is a great review. I was looking at the Ausom Gallop, but after watching this, I'm sold on this one. I'm curious about the longevity and maintenance on it. Are those tires easy to replace? What kind of routine maintenance is required? I bought a basic 19 mph scooter as an introductory to E scooters a few months ago and I'm already wanting an upgrade. I want to hit that top speed and was wondering about how much you weigh. I'm 5'10 at 170. I'm pretty sure I can max it out. Thanks!
Great video ! I have been looking for a scooter for under $1000 for a while .... I even asked you some time ago what would you recommend but i neglected to tell you my personal options. AS in my weight and height and how i would be riding it as in speed . and i never gotten the answer i was looking for until now . I am still unsure on which one i would like to pull the trigger on , but it was a awesome watch and yes i am a subscriber ...... Your channel gives a great rundown for anyone who is looking for a scooter . Keep up the great work ! Oh and thanx for the great info !
Thank you so much! I'm so happy I could help. The performance from these two is very different. I really enjoy the GT4 myself and I think it's well worth the extra money, but if I needed to haul it up one full flight of stairs or more every time I needed to ride it, then I'd consider the GT2. -Paul
If you’re on a tight budget, try evercross H9. 800 watt single motor. Advertised to 28mph -my H5 would top out at 27-close. H9 is $800. The H3 (which is a rename of the old H5 model) has the same specs for under $500. It just doesn’t have the center screen. But very well built scooter. Ran problem free for years until I gave it to my wife’s co workers husband. Still running to this day!
just picked up the GT4 for my 11 mile commute to work and back living in NY this should cut my time down alot. as well as money on parking. I'll let you know how the suspension holds up on NY rough roads. 😅
@Carnivore86 yes it's amazing Great range, and speed. Stable with no wobble above 35mph. My only two compliments the headlight is weak will need an additional light and tires would definitely upgrade. In at turn I did have the back end drift out on me at about 15mph and got a flat after 100 miles of use.
Black Friday sales are gonna crazy for pevs this year! Im exited! Im really liking the GT4/ kukirin g4 ngl i wonder whoich of the 2 is better? Which one holds top speed more after a full charge? Faster acceleration? Better suspension? Yk these kinda stuff, hope you make more videos on those
I'm really curious. We've definitely seen differences when we've tested two of the same scooters spec'd out differently from two different brands. So I'd love to test these head to head and see if I can find anything. If a difference is there I can find it. I've also heard that the 2023 version of these scooters wasn't as good, but I don't know if Teewing ever had that version, because the first I had heard of these was when they showed up at ESG and I found myself staring at the specs and prices and thinking "no way this can be real!" .... and then it was! -Paul
I have both and to be honest they are almost identical minus the paint. I've had them appart and there are small differences like nut and bolt selection between them can be different. The battery from a bms and cell configuration are the same however I noticed the controllers were slightly different. Charging, range and speed / power are so close you wouldn't be able to notice a difference. I put red loctite on anything I don't plan to ever remove and blue ou everything else. Mine has never fallen apart, had a bolt or nut come loose or given me any issues in over 1100 miles. I do have a plug that limits charging to 12 hours as to not over charge and I have had literally no issues. I added 2x led projector lights for night riding but that's it. I prefer the color of the Teewing so that is the one I ride.
Edit: I've reached out to Teewing to confirm. I don't see anything about UL on their product literature, but have seen at least one source on-line which says they are UL Listed, but I want to confirm directly before I say yes, because someone here in the comments mentioned that they think these are not UL. So one vote "for" and one "against" so far, but we'll see what Teewing says directly. -Paul
It comes with tubeless 11" tires. The best feeling tires you could put on are PMT tires. You can't do airless on a 40mph scooter. The tires will expand at speed and spin on the rim. -Paul
There's something about seeing your hometown that makes your heart jump :) Fellow electric scooter rider here! Let me know if I can contact you about the channel I'm starting for electric scooters!
Love your videos. I don't think you've tested the Teewing GT2 head to head against the Hover-1 Journey Max for hill climb, but I know you've had both on your test hill. In you opinion does the Teewing GT2 out perform the Hover-1 Journey Max for hill climb?
I've got the numbers! In identical hill climb tests the GT4 destroys the Journey Max, but to be fair the Hover-1 scooter costs about half as much when it's on sale, which is most of the time. The Journey Max climbed our test hill in 12.4 seconds. The GT4 climbed it in 9.7 seconds! One of the things I love about always testing the scooters in exactly the same way is that we can compare data taken years apart and get a valid comparison! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Hi Paul, I was asking about the Teewing GT2 vs Hover-1 Journey Max (not GT4). I think I might have found your separate climbs (GT2 15.8 seconds vs. Journey Max 12.4 seconds), but not sure about that...??Let me know if you have something different. I was also looking at KUKIRIN G2 Max that I thought was the same scooter as the Teewing G2. I was thinking the Kukirin is mostly sold in Europe & Teewing U.S., but I noticed some differences in the specs I was hoping you can explain? Can you share any differences between the Kurkin G2 Max & the Teewing G2? Kurkin G2 Max battery = 48V 20Ah vs. Teewing G2 battery = 48V 15Ah. If the Kurkin is 5Ah more I’m leaning toward buying the Kurkin G2 Max. The Kukin G2 Max specs say 30° Climb vs ≤20°. If the Kurkin G2 Max is better on hills I’m toward buying the Kurkin G2 Max. Are the tires exactly the same (Kurkin G2 vs. Teewing G2)? What are the tires specifically (size, brand, tubeless/vacuum, etc)? Any difference in suspension, display or anything else??
Interesting. I like both, but they’re very different. For the performance, the GT2. For everything else, the 300X. NIU has a much more modern build, an app (though it’s sometimes fussy). NIU is also more proven, but the GT2 is a lot of fun. Both are easy to ride. -Paul
I just got my gt4 yesterday but I'm only getting 15 mph on sport mode and I'm seeing a white dot symbol beside the Bluetooth symbol... I need help I wanna experience the maximum speed of this beast😭
Where are you located? It's possible that if you're in Europe that they've put a speed limiter on it for legal reasons. In the US you should get all the speed in sport mode. I just went back and looked at the closeup footage of the dash, I don't see a bluetooth symbol either. I wonder if you have a different display. -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I live in CA I tested the scooter 30 mins after it was delivered and I got up to 41 mph but the next day when I was about to use it again that white circle popped up beside the Bluetooth icon I assumed that's the reason why it's not giving me the maximum speed for the "sport mode" only 15mph🥲 they should have give a more detailed manual specially for ui
They definitely look very very similar. They can often be spec’d out differently though. We’ve seen this with the U-Scooters GT Sport and Fluid Mosquito looking identical, but having different tested performance different battery sizes and different brands of cells. -Paul
Love that this wave of affordable re-skinned models of older scooters is coming out - i feel these are great secondarys to have so a guest can join you on a ride AND you have a back up scooter in case your primary dies - ALWAYS GET PUNCTURELESS TIRES IF YOU CAN even though you lose a few miles in range :)
The next best thing to puncture resistant tires is to carry some Armor-Dilloz tire sealant with you, or you can even pre-install it before you get a puncture. It's holding the air in one of my car tires right now and for the last 6 months! -Paul
My backup scooter is my nanrobot lightning (solid tires). If my nanrobot D4 Maxx gets a flat I still have wheels. I learned that the hard way when I gave away my evercross H5 when I got the lightning. Tried (and failed) to change the front tire on the lightning-no backup scooter
I just moved to Italy and one of the comments here said that basically Kukirin have the identical G4 but already here. After this review, I think Im going to buy a G4 and use it as a car replacement (so I dont have to deal with the Italian car license system thats the cost of this scooter or even more 😂). I live regionally so the carabinieri arent gonna pull me over for something as riddiculous as "speeding" over 25km/hr, they have other things to worry about here.
It's been interesting hearing more about the Kukirin scooters vs. Teewing here in the comments. At this point, my best guess is that both are sourced from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand of cells Apollo uses. We've also tested "identical" scooters in the past and had them perform differently. A good example is the U-Scooters GT-Sport and the Fluid Freeride Mosquito. They use different brand battery cells and different firmware and have different prices and performance, even though they're based on the same basic model of scooter from the same factory. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Lmao making me nervous about ordering from here in europe instead of shipping from the USA from Teewing and "possibly" getting smacked with a giant customs fee 😂😭 I might crack it open to have a look and double check the battery brand. Im going to do it anyway because apparently the waterproofing is nonexistant on the batterypack, so Im going to go in and Sikaflex the whole thing for added peace of mind. I guess Ill see how it goes in about 7 busienss days 😅
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideI just opened mine up and it says it has "Jetech" lithium ion batteries which doesnt mean much to me but now we know Kukirin doesnt use the same batteries. Also I sikaflexed the whole battery compartment lid because these are notoriously NOT water resistant and I dont want to deal with ANY of that water damage nonsense.
Thanks! I love my graphs. Behind the scenes I graph every performance metric we measure on every scooter, so I can tell, objectively which scooters out perform others. So I typically look at 8 or 10 graphs before writing my notes for a review. I'm always tempted to put like 6 or 8 graphs in reviews, but I think not everyone is into it when I get deep into the technical stats. -Paul
Basicly looks like the Kukirin G4, i guess a bunch of Brands just use the same basic model and just slap their brands on it and call it something different
True! We've tested identical scooters from different brands and found performance differences and battery brand differences. I'd like to test a G4 to see if I can find anything different. -Paul
Thanks for the suggestion. We don’t have that one on the calendar right now, but have had a lot of requests for it. The more requests we get, the more likely we’ll find a way to get one. -Paul
The GT4 has hydraulic shocks that really work well. In fact I’d rate the over all suspension feel as an A. They feel like some of the better adjustable-damping shocks I’ve felt, but the damping isn’t adjustable. The GT2 doesn’t feel quite as smooth, but I can’t tell if it’s just because I’m too light. I kept topping out. I didn’t have time to try adjusting the preload other than determining that there isn’t enough room to just grab the spring/adjuster by hand and twist (you’d be surprised. This works on some scooters). I’d give the GT2 a B for suspension. The ZT3 Pro also gets a B. It’s similar, but with longer travel and a lower spring rate. Perfectly sprung for my 165lb weight off-road. But noticeable lack of oil damping. It gets a B off-road and a B- on road. The Ninebot MAX G2 gets a B+ on road and I haven’t tried it off-road. The MAX G2 would be an A- or an A if the rear shocks were as good as the front. -Paul
The strap is made out of seatbelt style nylon, so it should be ok. At first I was concerned about strap vs taillight since that’s what holds it in place, but the force is really going into the rear step and not the taillight when lifting. It’s an interesting choice though. It’s not my favorite part of the design because it’s slower than a conventional stem-to-deck latch. -Paul
Hi Paul, great video. Are you comparison spreadsheets available online? Also you thoughts on tire changes on the Teewing? I'm looking to replace my first scooter (Hover-1 Journey Max). It was great uphills, but after getting pinch flats I went to solid tires. Now is flat proof, but bone jarring on a gravel path with no suspension & solid tires. So leaning towards a new scooter with tubeless tires & suspension. I was leaning towards the Pegasus with it's tubeless tires, but everything I see regarding tire replacement with Pegasus looks like a nightmare. I like what I see with the GT2 (I'm not a speed demon & like the lighter GT2 vs. GT4). How would the GT2 compare to the Journey Max with hill climb? I was mainly reaching out seeing how hard to change tires with the Teewing? Or any other suggestions for tubeless scooters that are easy to change tires & great on hills? Maybe a good topic (tire changeability) for a new video??
My gt4 almost immediately goes from 10 bars to 9 when i use it from full charge is this normal or did i get a dud? I still get about 30 miles before getting to 1 bar but that really bothers me i just wanna know if its ok or if i should get it swapped.
They all do that. When you hit the throttle, the voltage drops below the cutoff-yet it still runs 😂😂. My guess is when you power up, it consumes a lot of energy to get you up to speed, then levels out. When you stop or first turn the scooter on, that’s the true voltage left in the battery.
For me it depends very much on what you are looking for: if you want apps, reliability (peace of mind), you should go for the zt3. If you want performance but basic build and if you like to improve (add accessories, or even improve the performance) your scooter, you should go for those gt2/gt4. Even though they are already good but basic, they are good platforms to work with. (Being an engineer, I prefer the ones that I can more easily work on (without apps) but if you don’t like that, maybe better to go for brands like Segway or Niu)
@@Experiment-lr7sm I think the GT4 would be amazing for modding. I originally mentioned that in the video, but ended up cutting that section out because the video was too long. -Paul
Thats basically a kukirin g2 and g4. The gt2 is identical. I have it. Very good. €540 i payed. 800 km in. The gt4 there is weaker than the kukirin g4(2000 watts). Great value. I love em
The GT4 is rated at 2,400W peak power. It's hard to say if the peak power for either is truly different without testing the G4 though. It's been interesting hearing more about the Kukirin scooters vs. Teewing here in the comments. At this point, my best guess is that both are sourced from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand of cells Apollo uses. We've also tested "identical" scooters in the past and had them perform differently. A good example is the U-Scooters GT-Sport and the Fluid Freeride Mosquito. They use different brand battery cells and different firmware and have different prices and performance, even though they're based on the same basic model of scooter from the same factory. -Paul
I'm interested a comparison of the gt4 & solar EQ. I want know what I'd be giving up/gaining for the price difference including warranty, parts & customer service. ($1500-$949)550 price difference. I appreciate your help and reviews.
Is the gt4 for sure good on off-road? Because the details about the tires for the gt4 didn’t have as much information as gt2 tires in the website and im wanting to get the gt4 if it is also good on off road as the gt2?
The GT4 tires are definitely not ideal off-road. They're street tires for sure. These rims will accept all sorts of 11" tires though, so it shouldn't be hard to find off-road tires for the GT4. Just watch the over-all diameter of the tires because the center of the tread on the stock tires is about 1/4 inch from the swing-arm. -Paul
They may get them from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand Apollo. -Paul
Funny you should ask. Someone just asked in the comments of another video last night. Here’s my response cut and pasted “Thanks for reaching out. It's because we get our Kaabo scooters from Fluid Freeride and Voro motors and neither of them carry the Mantis X Plus. Honestly, I'd never heard of it until you posted, so thanks for that! Ok. I had a look. Wow, that's a really weird spec for a Mantis. The Mantis V2 from Fluid is a 60V scooter, which is what we're used to seeing, but the X is only 48V. The X also claims to have motor power of 500W x 2, where the Mantis V2 has 1000W x 2. That said, motor power is the world's least reliable spec in terms of predicting how a scooter will perform. The Mantis X has an 873.6 Wh battery, where the Mantis V2 has 1,092Wh. The Mantis X appears to have cable operated disc brakes vs the Mantis V2's hydraulic discs. So there are a lot of differences. At $1,299 for the X or $1,599 for the V2, I'd go for the V2 because for me, if I'm going Dual-Motor I want something that's going to scare me a little when I turn it all the way up and the V2 will do that. The X probably won't. I hope that helps! -Paul p.s. thanks for reaching out. I learned a lot about the Mantis X just now!”
I absolutely love technology but I don’t want a touchscreen on my scooter man. Just seems like a nightmare. Looks cool but when I’m out in 10 degree weather with thick gloves and snow out I’d rather not deal with an unresponsive touchscreen
What a great review! Showing me what a true poweruĺ single motor can do. kind of scratching my head about that locking mechanism. That little red annoying flopping ribbon is it? Could you maybe elaborate a little bit more? Otherwise I'm very very impressed.
I’m sure the ribbon can be fixed and it was only on the GT2. The latch feels safe, and it 100% self latches when you push it upright, which is nice. There are two parts to the latch. The main one which opens when you push and then a pin that you pull outward to release the safety. It doesn’t come all the way out like the Wolf King GTR, but pulls to release and snaps back into place. -Paul
Thanks Paul appreciate it. May remember I'm the one that has three Apollo go 2024 dual motors. I'm always looking for something new. Because I am scooter crazy haha. The Apollo latches kind of drive me crazy sometimes because you think it's latched you wiggle a little bit feels latched and you go to lift up the scooter and not lashed. But luckily it does not happen much. The super long charging times and the not great display out in the daylight of this scooter are a bit negative here but they're single motor brilliant! And the price is great! So I really think this is a good value. Thanks again
Wow, three Apollo Go! I think that has to be a record. We only have two of them ourselves. :-) The red strap holds well when you're carrying it, but it takes a few seconds to wrap it around the foot rest. The GT4 is pretty uncomfortable to lift both because of the weight and because the stem sort of cuts into your hand, but at this weight, stem-lifting isn't usually how I'd do it anyway. The GT2 is comfortable to lift by the stem though. I think a little rubber o-ring would fix the ribbon rattle on the GT2. -Paul
Craaaaaazy! When I pulled these out of the box an saw the specs I reached out to the whole team and was like "guys... guys..... GUYS!... you've got to see this". And that was before I rode them! -Paul
These are great devices and I love both. But I need your help. I need an unagi voyager alternative. Similar in range and capabilities similar in weight with suspension and or air tires my wife thinks she may have loosened a filling on her last 1 mile commute 😅 she has to carry it up one flight of stairs from the train so something not to much heavier. You help would be greatly appreciated 😊
I recently got the GT2 scooter, but when I tried riding it it only went up to 28 to 29 mph. Can help me make it go 31 to 34 mph, because I am very confused on why it is going 28 mph.
Teewing must of partner up with Kugoo to get this exact styles of the scooter. Search up kugoo g4 scooter and the only difference is the colour. These cheap alibaba scooters of these third party brands trying to get up there with the rest but quality of these scooters don't last 3 months without a problem.
Thanks for watching and for your feedback! Teewing aren't partnered with Kugoo as far as I know, but may get them from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT4 comes with EVE battery cells which are the same brand Apollo. -Paul
Be careful that kugo is the Russian importer brand, the brand is kukirin now (Chinese). Also those “smaller” brands are using (sometime owning) a lot of oem/odm and they might not have exclusivity on those models ( or the oem doesn’t care and sell those models to other brands as well…)
The just added new laws in my county for speed limits on bikes and electric rides for 20mph so speed is still capped for even the fastest scooters. I could get away with the 24-25mph ZT3 but going 30mph is pushing it
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Technically we’re capped at 15mph here, but so far we haven’t had any problems as long as we’re riding in a reasonable way for whatever situation we’re in. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide cops don’t even bother with real crimes so speed limits on e-vehicle would not even be on their radar and not want to write a ticket and go to court for something so petty
Yeah, that's definitely how it is here. They don't enforce hit-and-run here. I called one in once, when I saw a parked car get hit. I had the plate number of both cars involved and the 911 operator didn't want to hear about it at all. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yeah, I saw it in person and it looks great. Well-made and heavy duty, but I would love to see more reviews on them before I jump on it. Love your reviews, it helps when making a decision. Thank you.
Did you get a chance to stand on it? Looking at the photos the handlebars seem short (closer to the deck than I'd expect for that size of scooter). -Paul
Ah I see. The G4. It looks similar, but hard to say if its build spec is exactly the same, sometimes little things like which battery cells are spec'd out and different firmware can make a difference in performance. I don’t see a GT2 equivalent. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideHey Paul I love watching your videos! I’m looking into getting a scooter and I really just want something with fast acceleration and a top speed of around 40 mph for around $1800 or less. Do you have any recommendations?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide the performance on the gt4 is pretty much the same as the kukirin g4. The only thing that is a little different is the motor, gt4 has a 1500w motor but, kukirin g4 has 2000w motor, but the battery could be different.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Kukirin doesn't have a GT2, but they had a G2 model. I've never compared all specs but the build is identical at least down to the tires.
Unfortunately it's really hard to know what sort of performance you'll get. I've found power specs to be the #1 most unreliable spec in terms of translating into performance. Parts availability can also be problematic unless it's a known brand. -Paul
Can you guys make a video about the Viberide Company, one of the e scooters they have is the Viberide Neo, it goes 25 and is 500 bucks idk, if its true or not as there are not more than 5 reviews on the neo. Please make a video about the Viberide Neo. Tysm have a good day!
They may get them from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand Apollo. -Paul
They definitely look very very similar. They can often be spec’d out differently though, even if they come from the same factory. We’ve seen this with the U-Scooters GT Sport and Fluid Mosquito looking identical, but having different tested performance different battery sizes and different brands of cells. -Paul
It's been interesting hearing more about the Kukirin scooters vs. Teewing here in the comments. At this point, my best guess is that both are sourced from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand of cells Apollo uses. We've also tested "identical" scooters in the past and had them perform differently. A good example is the U-Scooters GT-Sport and the Fluid Freeride Mosquito. They use different brand battery cells and different firmware and have different prices and performance, even though they're based on the same basic model of scooter from the same factory. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yes i get youu but you should really try the g2 master g2 max and the g3 pro they all come in black and orange with kukirin name on them they are insane quality material and i would love to see you reviewing them 🤞🏽
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Hopefully something more reliable. IPX4 is just rubbish. Maybe Voromotors should create the Number 1 scooter instead of segway. The emove cruiser V2 is already an awesome scooter but it is still pricy
nice review as usual but how do you justify running so blatantly over the stop signs? at least when i did the driving test i do not remember that it said the stop sign is only valid when you go straight :). I seem to remember that you in other reviews preach careful and responsible scooter riding.
The least expensive 50mph scooter we’ve tested is the Solar P1 Pro. Here’s the review below. -Paul Fastest Electric Scooter Under $2,000! 2024 Solar P1 Pro Full Review ruclips.net/video/MGbsZDsZaOk/видео.html
Thanks so much for watching. I hadn't heard of these myself until they showed up at ESG. The day they arrived, even before riding them I was looking at the specs and thinking no way. No waaaaay they can hit these specs at this price. But here we are. :-) -Paul
Ha ha, that wasn’t shot for for the video, but for the thumbnail. We shoot video for thumbnails rather than still photos some times to catch the right frame. Ramier stuffed that into the edit! I allllmost deleted it. I wish we showed the 4ft drop! It’s the same loading dock I jump the Apollo Pro off of in a couple videos. -Paul
@@goldjoe I don’t think Ramier had it in frame since he was just trying to catch the jump for the thumbnail initially. I want to see the landing myself. I had to do this jump at least 5 times! -Paul
Impressive value. I'd consider the gt2 but the price of said value is prohibitively high weight (compared to the normal scooters its down into the price range of). Ten bars sounds so much more understandable than the standard 4!
Thanks for mentioning that. I almost cut that comment out because I thought maybe no one but me cared about details like the 10 bar battery gauge! Yeah, you definitely feel the weight. Unfortunately there isn’t much that can be done to reduce it. With a single motor, the only thing left to reduce weight here would be to use a smaller battery :-( -Paul
I thought so too when I first saw it. The GT2 has a nice brace welded to the back that makes it more rigid. The GT4 has two layers bolted together. I can usually feel it when a scooter is flexing and doing bad things, because as a former motorcycle road racing champion, I tend to ride pretty hard, but both of these scooters feel really good when ridden hard and I’m getting no unusual chassis flex. -Paul
Paul forgive me! I am using this space, cause I don't know how to otherwise reach out to you for a Q......How come you haven't reviewed the Kaabo Mantis X Plus? ... Can you provide me with some comparsion?
Thanks for reaching out. It's because we get our Kaabo scooters from Fluid Freeride and Voro motors and neither of them carry the Mantis X Plus. Honestly, I'd never heard of it until you posted, so thanks for that! Ok. I had a look. Wow, that's a really weird spec for a Mantis. The Mantis V2 from Fluid is a 60V scooter, which is what we're used to seeing, but the X is only 48V. The X also claims to have motor power of 500W x 2, where the Mantis V2 has 1000W x 2. That said, motor power is the world's least reliable spec in terms of predicting how a scooter will perform. The Mantis X has an 873.6 Wh battery, where the Mantis V2 has 1,092Wh. The Mantis X appears to have cable operated disc brakes vs the Mantis V2's hydraulic discs. So there are a lot of differences. At $1,299 for the X or $1,599 for the V2, I'd go for the V2 because for me, if I'm going Dual-Motor I want something that's going to scare me a little when I turn it all the way up and the V2 will do that. The X probably won't. I hope that helps! -Paul p.s. thanks for reaching out. I learned a lot about the Mantis X just now!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, Paul! Always value your detail and acumen! ....Hey, what about the Mantis V2 vs. the Vmax V4?!?!? Which one wins there?🙃
Are we really looking at mechanical breaks right now? No, thank you, no thank you, and no thank you, not to mention a twelve hour charge time that you can't really buy a rapid charger for because of the specific battery cell type. It will be a search for a rapid charger for those cells, I'm assuming
At this price, I'd still buy it and upgrade to hydraulic brakes. These cells don't require a special charger, but you'd need to find a fast charger with the right plug, and also figure out the maximum current this style of plug can handle. -Paul
Can people stop just focusing on how fast the scooter goes? Just by a well-built scooter and travel at a normal speed. People flying along bike paths at 40+ km/h is why all the NIMBYs are out trying to ban scooters for being dangerous. If you like scooters ride responsibly.
Our next big comparison video is about acceleration, because we're trying to shift the conversation away from top speed. Unfortunately speed is one of the things that's easiest to communicate and understand in very few words in a headline. For example, my Mom can tell that a 40mph scooter is fast, but even I can't tell if a 0 to 15 time is fast without looking at other scooter data side by side. -Paul
People use these to commute & travel not just ride bike paths. If you want to buy something slow and be the Karen of bike paths because whatever you ride may not be fast then you do that. But don’t insinuate others should stop worrying about speed. Something that’s quite important to dictate where they can ride , how they can ride and being able to keep with traffic and commute streets easily. Your car goes over 100mph does that mean you’re always going that fast ? No but it’s there when you need it.
@@hurdthenerdI was gonna rip this guy a new one but your comment was very well said and enough for the both of us lol. I’m not always gonna fly on it but if I want to, or on empty trail, I wanna go as fast as I want.
@@mrblutifultm Emove cruiser is your best bet. Look up things with big batteries. Common sense will tell you a 30ah or less may or may not get you that. There’s plenty of lower end slow scooters that can do that for you.
What is the IP rating? And, do you verify the full recharge time and capacity after the range test? Also, your crash clip shows why a full-face helmet should always be worn on an escooter, regardless of class. Like an EUC, you always face plant when you crash.
They’re both IPX4. I don’t test the charge time. That one comes from the specs. I have a device that measures electric draw during recharge but not the actual charge time. Sometimes I calculate it as battery amp-hours divided by charger amps and that’s pretty close when no spec is available. Do you know a way to directly test capacity? That’s a spec we always assume is reliable, but it would be fun to verify. -Paul
🛴Teewing GT2- geni.us/TeewingGT2
🛴Teewing GT4- geni.us/TeewingGT4
I bought one from nerocycle is that good?
40 plus mph/ range and under $1000 is insane!
It is. When I saw the specs I was just shaking my head, because I knew what the graph would look like if it was real. Then I tested it and graphed it.... it really messed up the standard graph I use. Everything else is all squashed together now, way down low in the graph!. -Paul
In Europe g4 cost around $750
Name - Kukirin G4
@@MarcelEtheric that`s a great price about 718 euros where you see at that price, the cheapest i have found it is 819 euros....
As a RR RS5 max owner,I approve this video by far.Both freakin scooters for the price and spec is the best.Got 500 miles so far with no issues and loving it other than I live outside Philadelphia and dreading the winter but another BANGER from ESG👍love the channel.
Thank you so much! -Paul
I figured I'd comment since I own both the Teewing and the Kukirin. I have both and to be honest they are almost identical minus the paint. I've had them appart and there are small differences like nut and bolt selection between them can be different. The battery from a bms and cell configuration are the same however I noticed the controllers were slightly different. Charging, range and speed / power are so close you wouldn't be able to notice a difference. I weigh 220lbs and am 6ft tall, it goes 35 on flat ground wide open but mixed riding I regularly average 38 to 45 miles per charge but there are not alot of hills where I ride. I fit on it just fine and is a comfortable ride suspension wise. I put red loctite on anything I don't plan to ever remove and blue on everything else. Mine has never fallen apart, had a bolt or nut come loose or given me any issues in over 1100 hard miles on and off road. I have never had an issue with the stem or lock ever. I do have a wall plug that limits charging to 12 hours as to not over charge and I have had literally no issues. At 500 miles I upgraded my rotors and pads, I lubed all bearings with Bones Speed Cream(Skateboard Company) and applied loctite red and blue where needed. The controls are easy to use, you can multi press the light button 2x 3x and 4x to turn on or off different features instead of the touch screen. Something Paul didn't mention is the scooter has cruise control also. You have to enable it but once you do If you hold the throttle at a steady speed for 4-5 seconds it will set the cruise. Braking cancels. Is it the best scooter ever? No, does it get the job done for a great price? Yes. Its fun to ride, very stable, comfortable and really shines at cruising in the 23-28 mph zone. If you don't mind the weight, and plan ahead for charging it is awesome in my opinion.
My only gripe is if you want to upgrade the brakes it can be difficult. Both calipers are on the right side in a mirrored configuration and 140mm rotors are kinda small. You can fit 160mm without issue but would have to find a mirrored set of hydraulic calipers with 2pin connector levers. I added new 140mm rotors with a different compound pad (not resin) and can stop on a dime and it will lock up the rear wheel even with the mechanicals. I also added 2x led projector lights for night riding cause the included light is... Weak Haha. but that's it. I prefer the color of the Teewing so that is the one I ride. Sorry for the long winded rant but wanted to provide some real world experience to the mix.
Thanks for the feedback! Stay safe
This is great information, thank you very much for sharing. I ordered the G4 and want to upgrade the braking pads as soon as possible (will also apply silicone sealant to waterproof it a little bit and apply loctite like you said) but I didn't quite understand what you meant at the end there with the mirrored configuration. Would there be any guide for it that you know of? Thank you!
@@vespina.how has the G4 been?
The GT4 being able to go 40 mph with only one motor is simply unheard of in the scooter industry. The price for this speed is just mind blowing.
For sure!
These scooter models are made at the same factory as KuKirin, and KuKirin scooters are popular in my region and in other Russian-speaking countries. Their main focus is speed and battery, but at the same time they save on everything else, which is why there are stories on the Internet, for example, about how a person's wheel broke while driving or how these scooters' batteries catch fire... In addition, they have no waterproofing at all, which, by the way, was not mentioned in the review. Therefore, if you want to constantly repair your scooter, as well as risk your health and property, then buy these models, and as for me, I'd rather not ride fast, but I'll ride safely and calmly.
I heard from one scooter repairman that there has not been a single case of battery fire in Segway scooters in the world, and also that they almost never break down and do not require frequent maintenance, so the choice is obvious for me.
Thanks so much for the feedback. The spec for water protection is IPX4, which is the lowest we've seen on scooters other than having none at all.
I'd agree Segway scooters definitely have an edge over most other brands when it comes to build quality and safety. They have a lot more engineering dollars to play with and are very conservative with the performance of their scooters, which also helps reliability. -Paul
This is so true. Lots of reviews miss the most important thing about scooters and its reliability after long time ownership. My second scooter was the Segway Ninebot G30P and it was incredible. The only issue I had was punctured tires. My 3rd scooter was an emove touring which just kept having maintenance problems and the braking cable connector snapped on me which could have been really dangerous. I decided to buy another G30P because I missed feeling safe.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for the reply. I'm curious to know how the suspension feels on the GT2 and GT4 compared to the Segway ZT3 Pro? In what order would you place them based on comfort?
Sunred oem previous models/versions weren’t that good and not reliable. But to fair to them, they seems to have listened the feedbacks and improved their latest models/versions. But only time will tell…
@@Experiment-lr7sm I hope all companies will start making quality scooters and not compete with each other only in speed and power. I would rather pay extra for reliability than risk my health or property. In general, demand sets trends in the market, so buyers are more to blame here.
An excellent review, Paul. I really enjoyed this one because these two rides really reshape the single motor landscape that we're used to. I lean toward the GT2 because of the stem construction. Kukirin also uses that double I-beam, bolted construction on at least one of their models and it's notoriously disliked. Even with loc-tite, they tend to loosen up and if ignored too long, have even disassembled while riding the scooter. As you pointed out, that stem latch is about as non-reassuring as any design available today, a very odd design considering the liabilities. I could live with it but I'd have to cut or 3D print a block to wedge behind that push latch. It would requiring the removal of the block to push that latch inward. I fitted wood block painted black or rubber block might be ideal as it would friction fit that gap.
It's nice to see work being done in the single motor segment. I'm in AZ and most of the places I ride are relatively flat. I do go out of my way to find hills but I'm typically doing that on a dual motor sport. There's been a trend toward torquey scooters like those from VMAX but they all seem to limit out at 24-25mph. Even though these scooters from Teewing don't accelerate and climb as well, higher sustained cruise speeds and the ability to go faster, are often the measure of how much I'll enjoy a scooter in the long term. It's why I still own my Emove Cruiser S. Much of the time I cruise around at 17-19mph but can zip along a stretch at 31+mph if I need or want to. A faster scooter ridden slower is more efficient that a slower scooter running at or close to its max. I love having the "headroom" (Paul will get that term) of a faster scooter even when that speed potential isn't in use.
I don't thank you enough for all the work you do at ESG but it's sure appreciated. It's a huge part of my weekly intake of everything electric scooters.
Thank you so much. That really means a lot to me. I look forward to your analysis here in the comments section each time we publish.
I’m really enjoying these big singles. One of the things I like is that you can really feel the reduced unsprung mass in the front wheel. (Not sure if that comment made it in the review or got cut for time).
Oh, and headroom for sure! My hobby at home is playing with vintage solid state amplifiers. Lately it’s Proceed amps designed by Levinson and built by Madrigal Labs in the US. (Same outfit that built the Levinson amps of the period).
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide You absolutely did mention the unsprung weight up front and I was definitely tracking with you. You mentioned being able to pull that front end up at will. I also like how carefree & stabby you can be with the throttle, right at the apex of 90° turn that you had to trail brake into. On something like the Klima, for example, I have to finesse the throttle carefully at that lean angle.
Haha! I knew you'd know that term as you seem to have a brain that's dialed into engineering and statistics. So cool about your amp hobby! I had three solid state amps at one time, my dad giving me his old Marantz receiver, kicking off the interest. I found an inexpensive McIntosh MC2105 locally in walnut exterior that matched the Marantz and had them stacked in a cabinet with an old JBL SA-660. They were run through a switching unit where I could listen to them on different speaker sets...haha. When the prices went up I sold two pieces to fund other hobbies. Small beans compared to the equipment you mentioned though. All that Mark Levinson stuff is amazing.
P.S. Love the longer videos btw, no need to shorten them too much. One of my favorites was your video of the VX4 making a lap around the City.
In México the GT4 is called Honeywhale H4. I wish it had dual motor. They have its smaller brother with dual motor, but I like the GT4 better.
Teewing must have installed some electric nitrous in those motors. They sure get unheard of performance for single motor scooters at that price. Great review. Thank you.
Thank you so much. It’s always so surprising when a scooter ruins one of my graphs like that. Makes it hard to see the details of the other scooters! -Paul
All scooters should have this slider style of turn signals.
EVE cells at this price point are definitely a bonus. It definitely gives Teewing and edge as compared to the other brands manufactured at the same manufacturer.
Yeah, that surprised me! -Paul
These two scooters are marketed in Europe as Kukirin G2 and G4, with different colors. What was not said in the test is that they are cheap because their reliability is 0. They cannot be used in the rain because they constantly get wet. There is no mudguard at the front, and you will be covered in mud from the back in the rain. The steering wheel is prone to drizzle. The bearings and brakes are made of cheap crap material. A Segway G2 is a reliable scooter that will cover thousands of miles without failure, in any weather.
Thanks for the feedback!
Bullsh*t, I ride my Kukirin G4 in the rain all the time, more than 3000km, no problem, they are not worst than the others, IPX4.
This is a great review. I was looking at the Ausom Gallop, but after watching this, I'm sold on this one. I'm curious about the longevity and maintenance on it. Are those tires easy to replace? What kind of routine maintenance is required? I bought a basic 19 mph scooter as an introductory to E scooters a few months ago and I'm already wanting an upgrade. I want to hit that top speed and was wondering about how much you weigh. I'm 5'10 at 170. I'm pretty sure I can max it out. Thanks!
Great video ! I have been looking for a scooter for under $1000 for a while .... I even asked you some time ago what would you recommend but i neglected to tell you my personal options.
AS in my weight and height and how i would be riding it as in speed . and i never gotten the answer i was looking for until now .
I am still unsure on which one i would like to pull the trigger on , but it was a awesome watch and yes i am a subscriber ......
Your channel gives a great rundown for anyone who is looking for a scooter . Keep up the great work !
Oh and thanx for the great info !
Thank you so much! I'm so happy I could help. The performance from these two is very different. I really enjoy the GT4 myself and I think it's well worth the extra money, but if I needed to haul it up one full flight of stairs or more every time I needed to ride it, then I'd consider the GT2. -Paul
If you’re on a tight budget, try evercross H9. 800 watt single motor. Advertised to 28mph -my H5 would top out at 27-close. H9 is $800. The H3 (which is a rename of the old H5 model) has the same specs for under $500. It just doesn’t have the center screen. But very well built scooter. Ran problem free for years until I gave it to my wife’s co workers husband. Still running to this day!
just picked up the GT4 for my 11 mile commute to work and back living in NY this should cut my time down alot. as well as money on parking. I'll let you know how the suspension holds up on NY rough roads. 😅
Enjoy and let us know!
You like it?
@Carnivore86 yes it's amazing Great range, and speed. Stable with no wobble above 35mph. My only two compliments the headlight is weak will need an additional light and tires would definitely upgrade. In at turn I did have the back end drift out on me at about 15mph and got a flat after 100 miles of use.
Black Friday sales are gonna crazy for pevs this year! Im exited! Im really liking the GT4/ kukirin g4 ngl i wonder whoich of the 2 is better? Which one holds top speed more after a full charge? Faster acceleration? Better suspension? Yk these kinda stuff, hope you make more videos on those
I'm really curious. We've definitely seen differences when we've tested two of the same scooters spec'd out differently from two different brands. So I'd love to test these head to head and see if I can find anything. If a difference is there I can find it. I've also heard that the 2023 version of these scooters wasn't as good, but I don't know if Teewing ever had that version, because the first I had heard of these was when they showed up at ESG and I found myself staring at the specs and prices and thinking "no way this can be real!" .... and then it was! -Paul
I have both and to be honest they are almost identical minus the paint. I've had them appart and there are small differences like nut and bolt selection between them can be different. The battery from a bms and cell configuration are the same however I noticed the controllers were slightly different. Charging, range and speed / power are so close you wouldn't be able to notice a difference. I put red loctite on anything I don't plan to ever remove and blue ou everything else. Mine has never fallen apart, had a bolt or nut come loose or given me any issues in over 1100 miles. I do have a plug that limits charging to 12 hours as to not over charge and I have had literally no issues. I added 2x led projector lights for night riding but that's it. I prefer the color of the Teewing so that is the one I ride.
UL certified ?
Edit: I've reached out to Teewing to confirm.
I don't see anything about UL on their product literature, but have seen at least one source on-line which says they are UL Listed, but I want to confirm directly before I say yes, because someone here in the comments mentioned that they think these are not UL. So one vote "for" and one "against" so far, but we'll see what Teewing says directly.
-Paul
can you recommend a better tire for gt4 preferably tubeless/airless?
It comes with tubeless 11" tires. The best feeling tires you could put on are PMT tires. You can't do airless on a 40mph scooter. The tires will expand at speed and spin on the rim. -Paul
On top of that, you’re going to give up the smooth ride with airless tires
There's something about seeing your hometown that makes your heart jump :) Fellow electric scooter rider here! Let me know if I can contact you about the channel I'm starting for electric scooters!
Do you recommend armadilloz over patching or plugging in cars for nail or screw punctures? Thanks!
Armor dilloz is very solid for sure!
lol the video man about to get the gt4 and we’re did you get that shirt form it looks great
I just reviewed the G4 and fully sent that Scooter to the moon and it handled everything even full-blown BMX jumps
Great video, you made that suspension work! -Paul
Love your videos. I don't think you've tested the Teewing GT2 head to head against the Hover-1 Journey Max for hill climb, but I know you've had both on your test hill. In you opinion does the Teewing GT2 out perform the Hover-1 Journey Max for hill climb?
I've got the numbers! In identical hill climb tests the GT4 destroys the Journey Max, but to be fair the Hover-1 scooter costs about half as much when it's on sale, which is most of the time. The Journey Max climbed our test hill in 12.4 seconds. The GT4 climbed it in 9.7 seconds! One of the things I love about always testing the scooters in exactly the same way is that we can compare data taken years apart and get a valid comparison! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Hi Paul, I was asking about the Teewing GT2 vs Hover-1 Journey Max (not GT4). I think I might have found your separate climbs (GT2 15.8 seconds vs. Journey Max 12.4 seconds), but not sure about that...??Let me know if you have something different. I was also looking at KUKIRIN G2 Max that I thought was the same scooter as the Teewing G2. I was thinking the Kukirin is mostly sold in Europe & Teewing U.S., but I noticed some differences in the specs I was hoping you can explain? Can you share any differences between the Kurkin G2 Max & the Teewing G2?
Kurkin G2 Max battery = 48V 20Ah vs. Teewing G2 battery = 48V 15Ah. If the Kurkin is 5Ah more I’m leaning toward buying the Kurkin G2 Max.
The Kukin G2 Max specs say 30° Climb vs ≤20°. If the Kurkin G2 Max is better on hills I’m toward buying the Kurkin G2 Max.
Are the tires exactly the same (Kurkin G2 vs. Teewing G2)? What are the tires specifically (size, brand, tubeless/vacuum, etc)?
Any difference in suspension, display or anything else??
should i get the gt2 or the Niu Kqi 300x???
Interesting. I like both, but they’re very different. For the performance, the GT2. For everything else, the 300X. NIU has a much more modern build, an app (though it’s sometimes fussy).
NIU is also more proven, but the GT2 is a lot of fun. Both are easy to ride. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide OMG thx so much big fan thx Paul. LOL i watch u like everyday ima sub to u rn
I just got my gt4 yesterday but I'm only getting 15 mph on sport mode and I'm seeing a white dot symbol beside the Bluetooth symbol... I need help I wanna experience the maximum speed of this beast😭
Where are you located? It's possible that if you're in Europe that they've put a speed limiter on it for legal reasons. In the US you should get all the speed in sport mode.
I just went back and looked at the closeup footage of the dash, I don't see a bluetooth symbol either. I wonder if you have a different display. -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I live in CA I tested the scooter 30 mins after it was delivered and I got up to 41 mph but the next day when I was about to use it again that white circle popped up beside the Bluetooth icon I assumed that's the reason why it's not giving me the maximum speed for the "sport mode" only 15mph🥲 they should have give a more detailed manual specially for ui
This is the what ive been looking for my for!!
Nice! Glad we could help you find it! -Paul
Hey ! No hate but I feel like those are just "badged" scooters because they are very very similar to Kukirin ?
They definitely look very very similar. They can often be spec’d out differently though. We’ve seen this with the U-Scooters GT Sport and Fluid Mosquito looking identical, but having different tested performance different battery sizes and different brands of cells.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide 👍
Love that this wave of affordable re-skinned models of older scooters is coming out - i feel these are great secondarys to have so a guest can join you on a ride AND you have a back up scooter in case your primary dies - ALWAYS GET PUNCTURELESS TIRES IF YOU CAN even though you lose a few miles in range :)
The next best thing to puncture resistant tires is to carry some Armor-Dilloz tire sealant with you, or you can even pre-install it before you get a puncture. It's holding the air in one of my car tires right now and for the last 6 months! -Paul
My backup scooter is my nanrobot lightning (solid tires). If my nanrobot D4 Maxx gets a flat I still have wheels. I learned that the hard way when I gave away my evercross H5 when I got the lightning. Tried (and failed) to change the front tire on the lightning-no backup scooter
I just moved to Italy and one of the comments here said that basically Kukirin have the identical G4 but already here. After this review, I think Im going to buy a G4 and use it as a car replacement (so I dont have to deal with the Italian car license system thats the cost of this scooter or even more 😂).
I live regionally so the carabinieri arent gonna pull me over for something as riddiculous as "speeding" over 25km/hr, they have other things to worry about here.
It's been interesting hearing more about the Kukirin scooters vs. Teewing here in the comments. At this point, my best guess is that both are sourced from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand of cells Apollo uses.
We've also tested "identical" scooters in the past and had them perform differently. A good example is the U-Scooters GT-Sport and the Fluid Freeride Mosquito. They use different brand battery cells and different firmware and have different prices and performance, even though they're based on the same basic model of scooter from the same factory.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Lmao making me nervous about ordering from here in europe instead of shipping from the USA from Teewing and "possibly" getting smacked with a giant customs fee 😂😭
I might crack it open to have a look and double check the battery brand. Im going to do it anyway because apparently the waterproofing is nonexistant on the batterypack, so Im going to go in and Sikaflex the whole thing for added peace of mind. I guess Ill see how it goes in about 7 busienss days 😅
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideI just opened mine up and it says it has "Jetech" lithium ion batteries which doesnt mean much to me but now we know Kukirin doesnt use the same batteries.
Also I sikaflexed the whole battery compartment lid because these are notoriously NOT water resistant and I dont want to deal with ANY of that water damage nonsense.
And awesome review the graph chart is outstanding
Thanks! I love my graphs. Behind the scenes I graph every performance metric we measure on every scooter, so I can tell, objectively which scooters out perform others. So I typically look at 8 or 10 graphs before writing my notes for a review. I'm always tempted to put like 6 or 8 graphs in reviews, but I think not everyone is into it when I get deep into the technical stats. -Paul
Thanks. I loved the review. I've been looking for one like this
Glad you liked it!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide have you rode the x5 model curious about what you think of it
Basicly looks like the Kukirin G4, i guess a bunch of Brands just use the same basic model and just slap their brands on it and call it something different
True! We've tested identical scooters from different brands and found performance differences and battery brand differences. I'd like to test a G4 to see if I can find anything different. -Paul
Can you review the awesome leopard it is under 1000 dollars and it has 1000 W motor
Thanks for the suggestion. We don’t have that one on the calendar right now, but have had a lot of requests for it. The more requests we get, the more likely we’ll find a way to get one. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yeah please do. It seems like the best deal around right now
Tell me please how the suspension feels on the GT2 and GT4 compared to the Segway ZT3 Pro? In what order would you place them based on comfort?
The GT4 has hydraulic shocks that really work well. In fact I’d rate the over all suspension feel as an A. They feel like some of the better adjustable-damping shocks I’ve felt, but the damping isn’t adjustable. The GT2 doesn’t feel quite as smooth, but I can’t tell if it’s just because I’m too light. I kept topping out. I didn’t have time to try adjusting the preload other than determining that there isn’t enough room to just grab the spring/adjuster by hand and twist (you’d be surprised. This works on some scooters). I’d give the GT2 a B for suspension.
The ZT3 Pro also gets a B. It’s similar, but with longer travel and a lower spring rate. Perfectly sprung for my 165lb weight off-road. But noticeable lack of oil damping. It gets a B off-road and a B- on road. The Ninebot MAX G2 gets a B+ on road and I haven’t tried it off-road. The MAX G2 would be an A- or an A if the rear shocks were as good as the front.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks a lot 👍
Happy to help! :-)
-Paul
Those really look and seem good but I really don't like the way it has the strap to hold it when it folds in time it's going to tear apart
The strap is made out of seatbelt style nylon, so it should be ok. At first I was concerned about strap vs taillight since that’s what holds it in place, but the force is really going into the rear step and not the taillight when lifting. It’s an interesting choice though. It’s not my favorite part of the design because it’s slower than a conventional stem-to-deck latch. -Paul
I bought one of these it was fine until a little white dot appeared and limits my top speed to 17 mph, I have no idea how to take it off.
So strange! Has power and speed been reduced in all of the modes? Have you been able to reach Teewing? -Paul
I have the same issue with my scooter, I have 207 miles on so far. Have u heard back from teewing?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide its only to the sport and race mode and no i wasnt able to reach out to teewing.
To remove the white dot, hold the rear brake lever and press the power button 4 or 5 times.
Hi Paul, great video. Are you comparison spreadsheets available online? Also you thoughts on tire changes on the Teewing? I'm looking to replace my first scooter (Hover-1 Journey Max). It was great uphills, but after getting pinch flats I went to solid tires. Now is flat proof, but bone jarring on a gravel path with no suspension & solid tires. So leaning towards a new scooter with tubeless tires & suspension. I was leaning towards the Pegasus with it's tubeless tires, but everything I see regarding tire replacement with Pegasus looks like a nightmare. I like what I see with the GT2 (I'm not a speed demon & like the lighter GT2 vs. GT4). How would the GT2 compare to the Journey Max with hill climb? I was mainly reaching out seeing how hard to change tires with the Teewing? Or any other suggestions for tubeless scooters that are easy to change tires & great on hills? Maybe a good topic (tire changeability) for a new video??
Not yet!
Hi can you please to tell me if it is a durable option and if it will last a long time?
Solid for sure!
My gt4 almost immediately goes from 10 bars to 9 when i use it from full charge is this normal or did i get a dud? I still get about 30 miles before getting to 1 bar but that really bothers me i just wanna know if its ok or if i should get it swapped.
They all do that. When you hit the throttle, the voltage drops below the cutoff-yet it still runs 😂😂. My guess is when you power up, it consumes a lot of energy to get you up to speed, then levels out. When you stop or first turn the scooter on, that’s the true voltage left in the battery.
fuuu~ the eco mode on gt4 is the top speed in my current e-scooter😂... I'm definitely getting it
It's insane! When I was testing this scooter.... I just kept going "really?"..... "$949?... really?" So much performance per dollar. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideupdate I just got it yesterday and I gotta say this is an absolute steal😂
I just got the gt4 I cant wait to use it
Love this video , I am looking for something between gt4/XT3 pro what do you recommend for a reliability and good customer service
GT4 is very solid! Check link in description for latest pricing
What would you recommend between the Gt2/Gt4 and the ZT3 in term of overall build quality ?
These win on performance, but Segway still wins on build quality and features. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for ur answer :)
For me it depends very much on what you are looking for: if you want apps, reliability (peace of mind), you should go for the zt3. If you want performance but basic build and if you like to improve (add accessories, or even improve the performance) your scooter, you should go for those gt2/gt4. Even though they are already good but basic, they are good platforms to work with. (Being an engineer, I prefer the ones that I can more easily work on (without apps) but if you don’t like that, maybe better to go for brands like Segway or Niu)
@@Experiment-lr7sm👍 thanks for ur answer 😃. I think I'll go with the ZT3, which is officially legal in my country.
@@Experiment-lr7sm I think the GT4 would be amazing for modding. I originally mentioned that in the video, but ended up cutting that section out because the video was too long. -Paul
Thats basically a kukirin g2 and g4. The gt2 is identical. I have it. Very good. €540 i payed. 800 km in. The gt4 there is weaker than the kukirin g4(2000 watts). Great value. I love em
The GT4 is rated at 2,400W peak power. It's hard to say if the peak power for either is truly different without testing the G4 though.
It's been interesting hearing more about the Kukirin scooters vs. Teewing here in the comments. At this point, my best guess is that both are sourced from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand of cells Apollo uses.
We've also tested "identical" scooters in the past and had them perform differently. A good example is the U-Scooters GT-Sport and the Fluid Freeride Mosquito. They use different brand battery cells and different firmware and have different prices and performance, even though they're based on the same basic model of scooter from the same factory.
-Paul
I'm interested a comparison of the gt4 & solar EQ. I want know what I'd be giving up/gaining for the price difference including warranty, parts & customer service. ($1500-$949)550 price difference. I appreciate your help and reviews.
EQ for the win! Use code RG15 for best code
Is the gt4 for sure good on off-road? Because the details about the tires for the gt4 didn’t have as much information as gt2 tires in the website and im wanting to get the gt4 if it is also good on off road as the gt2?
The GT4 tires are definitely not ideal off-road. They're street tires for sure. These rims will accept all sorts of 11" tires though, so it shouldn't be hard to find off-road tires for the GT4. Just watch the over-all diameter of the tires because the center of the tread on the stock tires is about 1/4 inch from the swing-arm. -Paul
how would u compare this to the gotrax gx2 and gx1 are they better? do they last longer maintenance wise?
Gotrax we like better due to dual motors
Looking at getting the gt2 scooter…I’m wondering if teewing provide a seat or if kukirin g2 seat will fit?
Thanks you.
Not sure to be honest!
are these similar to the kukirin g4 and g2?
They may get them from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand Apollo. -Paul
Hey, have you guys ever tried the Mantis X Plus? I haven't seen any in-depth reviews about performance and an overall review of it
Funny you should ask. Someone just asked in the comments of another video last night.
Here’s my response cut and pasted
“Thanks for reaching out. It's because we get our Kaabo scooters from Fluid Freeride and Voro motors and neither of them carry the Mantis X Plus. Honestly, I'd never heard of it until you posted, so thanks for that!
Ok. I had a look. Wow, that's a really weird spec for a Mantis. The Mantis V2 from Fluid is a 60V scooter, which is what we're used to seeing, but the X is only 48V. The X also claims to have motor power of 500W x 2, where the Mantis V2 has 1000W x 2. That said, motor power is the world's least reliable spec in terms of predicting how a scooter will perform.
The Mantis X has an 873.6 Wh battery, where the Mantis V2 has 1,092Wh.
The Mantis X appears to have cable operated disc brakes vs the Mantis V2's hydraulic discs. So there are a lot of differences. At $1,299 for the X or $1,599 for the V2, I'd go for the V2 because for me, if I'm going Dual-Motor I want something that's going to scare me a little when I turn it all the way up and the V2 will do that. The X probably won't.
I hope that helps! -Paul
p.s. thanks for reaching out. I learned a lot about the Mantis X just now!”
Oh alright,thanks for the response 👍
I absolutely love technology but I don’t want a touchscreen on my scooter man. Just seems like a nightmare. Looks cool but when I’m out in 10 degree weather with thick gloves and snow out I’d rather not deal with an unresponsive touchscreen
What a great review! Showing me what a true poweruĺ single motor can do. kind of scratching my head about that locking mechanism. That little red annoying flopping ribbon is it? Could you maybe elaborate a little bit more? Otherwise I'm very very impressed.
I’m sure the ribbon can be fixed and it was only on the GT2. The latch feels safe, and it 100% self latches when you push it upright, which is nice.
There are two parts to the latch. The main one which opens when you push and then a pin that you pull outward to release the safety. It doesn’t come all the way out like the Wolf King GTR, but pulls to release and snaps back into place. -Paul
Thanks Paul appreciate it. May remember I'm the one that has three Apollo go 2024 dual motors. I'm always looking for something new. Because I am scooter crazy haha. The Apollo latches kind of drive me crazy sometimes because you think it's latched you wiggle a little bit feels latched and you go to lift up the scooter and not lashed. But luckily it does not happen much. The super long charging times and the not great display out in the daylight of this scooter are a bit negative here but they're single motor brilliant! And the price is great! So I really think this is a good value. Thanks again
Wow, three Apollo Go! I think that has to be a record. We only have two of them ourselves. :-)
The red strap holds well when you're carrying it, but it takes a few seconds to wrap it around the foot rest. The GT4 is pretty uncomfortable to lift both because of the weight and because the stem sort of cuts into your hand, but at this weight, stem-lifting isn't usually how I'd do it anyway. The GT2 is comfortable to lift by the stem though. I think a little rubber o-ring would fix the ribbon rattle on the GT2.
-Paul
This is crazy for the price
Craaaaaazy! When I pulled these out of the box an saw the specs I reached out to the whole team and was like "guys... guys..... GUYS!... you've got to see this". And that was before I rode them! -Paul
These are great devices and I love both. But I need your help.
I need an unagi voyager alternative. Similar in range and capabilities similar in weight with suspension and or air tires my wife thinks she may have loosened a filling on her last 1 mile commute 😅 she has to carry it up one flight of stairs from the train so something not to much heavier. You help would be greatly appreciated 😊
I recently got the GT2 scooter, but when I tried riding it it only went up to 28 to 29 mph. Can help me make it go 31 to 34 mph, because I am very confused on why it is going 28 mph.
Might be setting in the p settings
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide How do you access the p settings? Also can you make a video about it with the GT2 scooter.
Maybe the fastest fir the price - but I want to know what is your favorite off road scooter under 1000
Teewing must of partner up with Kugoo to get this exact styles of the scooter. Search up kugoo g4 scooter and the only difference is the colour. These cheap alibaba scooters of these third party brands trying to get up there with the rest but quality of these scooters don't last 3 months without a problem.
Thanks for watching and for your feedback!
Teewing aren't partnered with Kugoo as far as I know, but may get them from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT4 comes with EVE battery cells which are the same brand Apollo. -Paul
Be careful that kugo is the Russian importer brand, the brand is kukirin now (Chinese). Also those “smaller” brands are using (sometime owning) a lot of oem/odm and they might not have exclusivity on those models ( or the oem doesn’t care and sell those models to other brands as well…)
Have you guys ever reviewed any of the Ausom Scooters?
Not yet. Hopefully soon, but we don't have any coming our way that I know of. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ESG contributor, Mitchell did a fantastic review of the Ausom Gallop at his RK9 Rides channel.
The just added new laws in my county for speed limits on bikes and electric rides for 20mph so speed is still capped for even the fastest scooters. I could get away with the 24-25mph ZT3 but going 30mph is pushing it
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Technically we’re capped at 15mph here, but so far we haven’t had any problems as long as we’re riding in a reasonable way for whatever situation we’re in. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide cops don’t even bother with real crimes so speed limits on e-vehicle would not even be on their radar and not want to write a ticket and go to court for something so petty
Yeah, that's definitely how it is here. They don't enforce hit-and-run here. I called one in once, when I saw a parked car get hit. I had the plate number of both cars involved and the 911 operator didn't want to hear about it at all. -Paul
Hey, what happens if you're out and quite far from home and it starts raining? Will it be okay or not?
Light rain should be okay!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Okay, is the NAMI Klima ONE better than this scooter in the rain than the one in this video?
Have you ever test the Langfeite GT2 RS?
We haven't. I'm curious about that brand though. We haven't seen any of their scooters first hand yet. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yeah, I saw it in person and it looks great. Well-made and heavy duty, but I would love to see more reviews on them before I jump on it. Love your reviews, it helps when making a decision. Thank you.
Did you get a chance to stand on it? Looking at the photos the handlebars seem short (closer to the deck than I'd expect for that size of scooter). -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I did, it feels good. I didn’t get a chance to test drive it though.
Hi i have gt2 actually that is going 33 but i can go only 17 and that is going 17 mph idk why can you tell me why
Check the p settings!
@ how can i do this?
So which is better kukirin G4 or Teewing GT4
We have not reviewed kikurin brand!
I wonder about reliability is good has ninebot?
Quality is solid
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks
should i get the teewing or zt3 segway
Both are very solid! We leaning teewing
Where can we see the charts?
electricscooterguide.com
isn't that just a kukirin e scooter
I can have a look to see if it’s similar. Which model does it resemble? -Paul
Ah I see. The G4. It looks similar, but hard to say if its build spec is exactly the same, sometimes little things like which battery cells are spec'd out and different firmware can make a difference in performance. I don’t see a GT2 equivalent. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideHey Paul I love watching your videos! I’m looking into getting a scooter and I really just want something with fast acceleration and a top speed of around 40 mph for around $1800 or less. Do you have any recommendations?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide the performance on the gt4 is pretty much the same as the kukirin g4. The only thing that is a little different is the motor, gt4 has a 1500w motor but, kukirin g4 has 2000w motor, but the battery could be different.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Kukirin doesn't have a GT2, but they had a G2 model. I've never compared all specs but the build is identical at least down to the tires.
Would you guys do a review if someone sent out a scooter?
Here's the best way to reach us for projects.
riderguide.com/contact/
Cheap and fast are two things I’d rather not go together
Fair enough! :-)
Thers a 5600w, 60v Dual motor on Amazon Prime for 899 today
Unfortunately it's really hard to know what sort of performance you'll get. I've found power specs to be the #1 most unreliable spec in terms of translating into performance. Parts availability can also be problematic unless it's a known brand.
-Paul
That strap to hold the stem down is a deal breaker
Thanks for the feedback!
Can you guys make a video about the Viberide Company, one of the e scooters they have is the Viberide Neo, it goes 25 and is 500 bucks idk, if its true or not as there are not more than 5 reviews on the neo. Please make a video about the Viberide Neo. Tysm have a good day!
Thanks for the suggestion. We don’t have this one on our radar at the moment, but requests like yours are how scooters get our attention. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yw Paul, hope to see a review on the above soon!
This is Kukirin G2 and G4 basically here in Europe.
They may get them from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand Apollo. -Paul
Wrong Joyor s10 is under $1,000 with dual motors and a top speed of 47mph.
Interesting. Please send links if you know of any speed tests that have been done. Thanks. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide When I ordered i got the Talenic Tnx3. I just got home from my ride and I topped out at 49 mph.
Can you do ausom leopard and gallop
Thanks for the suggestion. The more often these get suggested, the more likely we'll test them at some point. -Paul
This is literally just the same frame as Kukirin G4 and G2
They definitely look very very similar. They can often be spec’d out differently though, even if they come from the same factory. We’ve seen this with the U-Scooters GT Sport and Fluid Mosquito looking identical, but having different tested performance different battery sizes and different brands of cells.
-Paul
Could you guys try out the vibe ride scooters
We will take a look!
Thank you
Thank you for watching and commenting! I appreciate your support! -Paul
Where is the kukirin g2 max and g2 master?😮💨
It's been interesting hearing more about the Kukirin scooters vs. Teewing here in the comments. At this point, my best guess is that both are sourced from the same factory. Something to keep in mind is that even scooters from the same factory can have a variety of spec differences. For example the GT2 and GT4 come with EVE battery cells which are the same brand of cells Apollo uses.
We've also tested "identical" scooters in the past and had them perform differently. A good example is the U-Scooters GT-Sport and the Fluid Freeride Mosquito. They use different brand battery cells and different firmware and have different prices and performance, even though they're based on the same basic model of scooter from the same factory.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yes i get youu but you should really try the g2 master g2 max and the g3 pro they all come in black and orange with kukirin name on them they are insane quality material and i would love to see you reviewing them 🤞🏽
Finally! Affordable scooters!
It's amazing when we see a shift in performance per dollar like this. Makes you wonder what's next! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Hopefully something more reliable. IPX4 is just rubbish. Maybe Voromotors should create the Number 1 scooter instead of segway. The emove cruiser V2 is already an awesome scooter but it is still pricy
nice review as usual but how do you justify running so blatantly over the stop signs? at least when i did the driving test i do not remember that it said the stop sign is only valid when you go straight :). I seem to remember that you in other reviews preach careful and responsible scooter riding.
🙃
Plz review the nami blast max
I would love to! It’s been way too long since we’ve reviewed a NAMI! -Paul
Hmm I'm looking for a good dual motor off road electric under $1500 or $1000 full suspension brake and head lights over 50mph turn signals and etc
The least expensive 50mph scooter we’ve tested is the Solar P1 Pro.
Here’s the review below.
-Paul
Fastest Electric Scooter Under $2,000! 2024 Solar P1 Pro Full Review
ruclips.net/video/MGbsZDsZaOk/видео.html
yume raptor, hawk pro
Love the Big Screen! ❤
How does it do uphill im 220 lbs
Should be fine on most hills
That's Fast!
Crazy fast! -Paul
Please do a kukirin review
I just did and it absolutely sends!!
I would love to compare it to this to see if there are any performance or ride quality differences. -Paul
Scooters are getting out of control and I love it 😊
Us too!
-Paul
I had a dual motor scooter that I got rid of for less than 1k I hit 65mph on that thing
Nice
Great Review Paul. These Scooters offer magnificent value wow, I've been following Teewing didn't knw they had these.
Thanks so much for watching. I hadn't heard of these myself until they showed up at ESG. The day they arrived, even before riding them I was looking at the specs and thinking no way. No waaaaay they can hit these specs at this price. But here we are. :-)
-Paul
Got me laughting so hard 1:15 , that was unexpected lol
Ha ha, that wasn’t shot for for the video, but for the thumbnail. We shoot video for thumbnails rather than still photos some times to catch the right frame. Ramier stuffed that into the edit! I allllmost deleted it.
I wish we showed the 4ft drop! It’s the same loading dock I jump the Apollo Pro off of in a couple videos. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide O man haha why didnt you show it!? It was a must after that take lol!
@@goldjoe I don’t think Ramier had it in frame since he was just trying to catch the jump for the thumbnail initially. I want to see the landing myself. I had to do this jump at least 5 times! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide lol. Im glad you guys have lots of fun while doing your job. Always waiting for videos. Have a great day!
Impressive value. I'd consider the gt2 but the price of said value is prohibitively high weight (compared to the normal scooters its down into the price range of). Ten bars sounds so much more understandable than the standard 4!
Thanks for mentioning that. I almost cut that comment out because I thought maybe no one but me cared about details like the 10 bar battery gauge!
Yeah, you definitely feel the weight. Unfortunately there isn’t much that can be done to reduce it. With a single motor, the only thing left to reduce weight here would be to use a smaller battery :-(
-Paul
The swing-arms look super flimsy.
I thought so too when I first saw it. The GT2 has a nice brace welded to the back that makes it more rigid. The GT4 has two layers bolted together. I can usually feel it when a scooter is flexing and doing bad things, because as a former motorcycle road racing champion, I tend to ride pretty hard, but both of these scooters feel really good when ridden hard and I’m getting no unusual chassis flex. -Paul
Paul forgive me! I am using this space, cause I don't know how to otherwise reach out to you for a Q......How come you haven't reviewed the Kaabo Mantis X Plus? ... Can you provide me with some comparsion?
Thanks for reaching out. It's because we get our Kaabo scooters from Fluid Freeride and Voro motors and neither of them carry the Mantis X Plus. Honestly, I'd never heard of it until you posted, so thanks for that!
Ok. I had a look. Wow, that's a really weird spec for a Mantis. The Mantis V2 from Fluid is a 60V scooter, which is what we're used to seeing, but the X is only 48V. The X also claims to have motor power of 500W x 2, where the Mantis V2 has 1000W x 2. That said, motor power is the world's least reliable spec in terms of predicting how a scooter will perform.
The Mantis X has an 873.6 Wh battery, where the Mantis V2 has 1,092Wh.
The Mantis X appears to have cable operated disc brakes vs the Mantis V2's hydraulic discs. So there are a lot of differences. At $1,299 for the X or $1,599 for the V2, I'd go for the V2 because for me, if I'm going Dual-Motor I want something that's going to scare me a little when I turn it all the way up and the V2 will do that. The X probably won't.
I hope that helps! -Paul
p.s. thanks for reaching out. I learned a lot about the Mantis X just now!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, Paul! Always value your detail and acumen! ....Hey, what about the Mantis V2 vs. the Vmax V4?!?!? Which one wins there?🙃
Are we really looking at mechanical breaks right now? No, thank you, no thank you, and no thank you, not to mention a twelve hour charge time that you can't really buy a rapid charger for because of the specific battery cell type. It will be a search for a rapid charger for those cells, I'm assuming
At this price, I'd still buy it and upgrade to hydraulic brakes. These cells don't require a special charger, but you'd need to find a fast charger with the right plug, and also figure out the maximum current this style of plug can handle.
-Paul
Can people stop just focusing on how fast the scooter goes? Just by a well-built scooter and travel at a normal speed. People flying along bike paths at 40+ km/h is why all the NIMBYs are out trying to ban scooters for being dangerous. If you like scooters ride responsibly.
Our next big comparison video is about acceleration, because we're trying to shift the conversation away from top speed. Unfortunately speed is one of the things that's easiest to communicate and understand in very few words in a headline. For example, my Mom can tell that a 40mph scooter is fast, but even I can't tell if a 0 to 15 time is fast without looking at other scooter data side by side. -Paul
People use these to commute & travel not just ride bike paths. If you want to buy something slow and be the Karen of bike paths because whatever you ride may not be fast then you do that. But don’t insinuate others should stop worrying about speed. Something that’s quite important to dictate where they can ride , how they can ride and being able to keep with traffic and commute streets easily. Your car goes over 100mph does that mean you’re always going that fast ? No but it’s there when you need it.
I want to know about distance. Which one can give me a nice cruising speed of 20-25mph, but take me 40-60 miles consistently?!
@@hurdthenerdI was gonna rip this guy a new one but your comment was very well said and enough for the both of us lol. I’m not always gonna fly on it but if I want to, or on empty trail, I wanna go as fast as I want.
@@mrblutifultm Emove cruiser is your best bet. Look up things with big batteries. Common sense will tell you a 30ah or less may or may not get you that. There’s plenty of lower end slow scooters that can do that for you.
What is the IP rating? And, do you verify the full recharge time and capacity after the range test? Also, your crash clip shows why a full-face helmet should always be worn on an escooter, regardless of class. Like an EUC, you always face plant when you crash.
They’re both IPX4.
I don’t test the charge time. That one comes from the specs. I have a device that measures electric draw during recharge but not the actual charge time. Sometimes I calculate it as battery amp-hours divided by charger amps and that’s pretty close when no spec is available.
Do you know a way to directly test capacity? That’s a spec we always assume is reliable, but it would be fun to verify. -Paul
Bro th gt4 is identical to the kukrikin g4 bro😂
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Thanks for watching and commenting! -Paul
I expected faster for how hefty and full of steel they are.