Mormon Church: Internalize Doctrine as Truth
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Hi there!!! Do you have any contact information where I could ask you a few questions please? My family just moved to AZ from IL and we have a friend we have met that is Mormon and I have it on my heart to share the gospel truth with them, but I am struggle on the approach! I have done a TON of research and I know my Bible pretty well. I also know the Lord can do anything through me if I take a step in faith as He leads me through this, but it's not an easy task to take. Would just love to chat with you if possible please! Thank you so much! And thank you for your videos! Personal experience is always so helpful! So glad you found the truth!!!!! 🙌❤️
@@lindsayschwarz0723 Email me! I can help! It is my name shown at Gmail.
The church also makes exceptions when it feels justified by its own moral standards, standards which allow non members who have tatoos and are "different" to be welcomed with open arms, but those who are raised in it, who "know better", are shamed for going against what is right. A double standard.
@@enchantinglysimple Excellent point. I used to watch "The Tattooed Mormon" thinking "How is that even possible?"
I've watched a couple of you videos. Good content, though I take some issue with your analysis. I was raised Mormon in a big family, my father was bishop. All of my siblings served a mission, including myself. I left immediately after the mission because I saw it would never stop, they would own me forever and I had to make a break. I had a crisis of faith starting around age 13 and it didn't subside until I left. However, I am dismayed by how easily those who leave embrace neo-Marxism as their alternative morality, their alternative cult. They embrace a new bias that fails to judge Mormonism by a standard of human nature and unavoidable group psychology. Rather they criticize on the basis of "control" and "discrimination" and various standards they reflexively, and mostly unreflectively, adopt from the wider liberal culture. This is disturbing and disheartening.
I really want to stress that there are DOZENS of ethical systems that do NOT refer to the bible at all.
Society would be greatly improved if everyone took an intro to philosophy class.
Most French children are taught philosophy at age 12 and over. I think it's an excellent idea, too. Just by using the socratic method, you can actually start with some of life's big questions with children as young as 6, in my opinion. Very different to the Roman Catholic catechism I was stuffed with, like a goose to produce foie gras! No real ethics, just the constant reminder that you are insignificant and inherently awful, and God has done you a massive favour by letting you be born into the One True Church. And when it comes to morality, especially sexual - just DON'T. And if you have to - just don't enjoy it.
Go ahead name a few. I’ll wait and see what you have to bring up.
@@HeckOffCommie Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable…
@@HeckOffCommie Subjective Relativism
Cultural Relativism
Ethical Egoism
Kantianism
Act Utilitarianism
Rule Utilitarianism
Social Contract
Situation Ethics
@@kennethd.9436 Don’t know what you’re referring to. I was talking about relating to the church.
I love your tongue-in-cheek answer to the "Is it a cult?" question. Of course it is. Similar talking points apply to Scientology. Good video. Tenga un gran dia
We were the house with the coffee maker & the jar of sun tea & coke in the fridge. Now coke is ok, but coffee/tea is still foreboden. I have to believe that god has better things to do than worry about my beverage choices. My friend went to Taiwan for her mission & wondered why the church didn't do better there. Tea. Tea is the basis for hospitality...you don't rock up to someone's door and tell them their centuries old way of how to treat guests is going to send them to outer darkness.
Coke is now ok cuz the LDS owns a significant portion of Coca-Cola and when they wanted to buy in, their was a revelation that Coke was no longer sinful. Blatant corporate profiteering.
Oh brother, that’s absolutely a clown like observation. I suppose God also has better thinks to worry about than, I don’t know, say that lie you told your friends, parents, spouse or other? Or how about eating pork, or eating a lot he couldn’t possibly care about that right? What about what day you ought to rest he shouldn’t care about that right? How about wearing revealing clothing? Surely God doesn’t care people have tattoos right? Right?! Oh wait…. 😏 Hmmm… seems some of those are all equal sins that God does care about if you know the truth of the Bible and choose just to ignore it. But I mean whateve’s YOLO right?!
@@asajayunknown6290 Um… no. Moderation is literally a value of the Bible. Coke or Tea is the equivalent of vegetarians or vegans and eggs. If you do it in very low moderation no one has a right to judge or damn you. If however you’re drinking coke or tea with every meal then you’re doing your body/temple and your spirit a disservice. It doesn’t mean you’re “evil”. Hopefully you don’t think Christians think people who drink alcohol are “evil” do you? It’s the extent a person takes the indulgence or gladly sins. But of course, people who judge others about their faith or beliefs usually have obstructed vision and care not about first removing the beams from their own eyes or being careful not to cast stones.
@@HeckOffCommie I remember hearing conference talks and Sunday school lessons where they told us that tea, coffee, energy drinks, highly caffinated sodas and alcohol were all on the same level in the word of wisdom. I was told we weren't supposed to partake in them. Period. But for a church that teaches God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, He sure likes to change His mind when a new prophet comes along.
@@HeckOffCommie are you talking from a mormon perspective? Because any consumption of tea, coke, or alcohol was taught to be evil in church. And members enforced it on others via public shaming.
My wife and I officially left the mormon church in July 2022 before that we were motion mormons (just going through the motions) We were both raised in the church and we've had over 1/2 a century of mormonism engrained into our minds. I enjoy your videos and find them enlightening, they have helped me realize how much of a burden the church has been in my life.
would you say your ward was increasing or declining in membership
@@savannahsmiles1797 Decreasing
Really!?? A burden!? Lol ...that's only because you weren't being honest and didn't realize that sacrifice and burden are a part of life....if faith is a burden or serving others is such a burden then you just don't get the whole picture. I'm not even advocating for the church, but this chick is telling all ex Mormons to blame the church for all their problems...take some responsibility for your own choices!!! Don't be such a liberal and blame everyone and everything else other than where the blame truly resides...
were you raised and live in Utah ? just curious 🤔
@@ah5721 Live in Utah
Hi Lexi! I found your channel a few weeks ago and have binged almost all your videos 😁. I grew up Mormon but became inactive when I joined the military. I always thought I would go back when I had my daughter but I’m so grateful to have found your channel (among others) that helped me let go of the guilt I have felt for 7 years now. Thank you ♥️♥️
Awesome discussion! 🙌
I began to wake up from the JW's (Jehovah's Witness) by reading about Mormons and watching videos entitled.."I was a Mormon".
Then John Dehlin's excommunication was broadcast on television. I started following him and I noticed a ton of similarities between the JW's and the Mormons. This was an eye-opener for me!!
After that I got the courage to go to RUclips and look up.. "Why do people leave the Jehovah's Witnesses faith"...that's when I really started waking up!
I became obsessed listening to all ExJW stories on RUclips and the FEAR of the "so called" apostates that we are taught to detest started to become a different reality, they are just people telling their experiences when they were an active JW and why they left.
So all the stigma started to dwindle.
Then I branched out and started looking into Seventh Day Adventist, Scientology, Christadelphians, The Brethren, Christian Science.
I started noticing the parallels between all the religions, and it runs deep...no questioning, no doubting and everything comes from the top down.
The rank-and-file are just the followers with no personal self, no individuality.
After you wake up and start seeing these things it can take a toll on you, especially if this is the only thing you have known all of your life.
Therapy is definitely a must when waking up!
I can now honestly say that life is better on the outside! 💯
A lot of folks don’t realize that there were many other sex doomsday prairie cults that originated around the same time in American history. Google American religions by date. Very interesting stuff.
The plan of salvation was ultimately what broke my shelf. As I was in the hospital room with my non-member mom (I joined the church at age 20) , waiting to take her off life support, saying goodbye, knowing she was going to die. I felt completely overwhelmed and knew that it's all bs. If there is a God, his "plan" would not be so complicated and petty. My wonderful mom didn't need to jump through all those hoops to get back him. And I didn't need to worry about doing my mom's temple work, feel tremendously guilty because I felt like I wasn't worthy to attend the temple, because it's not true.
“What it Means to be Moral” was my first book outside of the “safe” LDS friendly reading. It blew my mind and changed my world. Glad to see it plugged here.
Totally an ex mo too, and I'm here to relearn what I forgot lol
🤣 And why is that? If you’re ex something wouldn’t that mean you’re done with it? Most ex JWs tend to not want to hear a dang thing about JW ever again. That’s the only thing that makes sense. But there’s a lot people and crazy bs in this world that don’t make much sense. 🤣
It’s either true or it is not….you can apply that to all of Christianity:
So Adam was created from a ball of dirt and then Eve from one of his ribs. True or not? If you think that’s true, well, you can’t be helped. You’re just going to believe whatever you want without any logic. If not, Christianity fails right there. No Adam and Eve, therefore no original sin. Therefore, no need for a savior. Or….
the easiest answer…It’s all mythology….like gods and religion has always been for thousands of years. The simplest explanation tends to be the right one.
Public Lexi: I'll let you reach your own conclusions.
Internal Lexi: But yeah, it absolutely is a cult!
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proud of you!! i have mormon friends and i feel so bad but i don’t want to lose them by trying to get them out :(
Same 😭
If they're truly your friends then they will come back to you!
@@Cajek2 they are! they are just so mormon and i want to help them so they don’t have trauma like a lot of exmos i know
Sharing truth with them is far more important than your friendship, though it's hard to risk that! The Lord always makes a way when He brings you to do something! Praying that your friends eyes become unblinded and that the Spirit will speak through you!!!!
If you have the truth then you wouldn’t worry. Just because you feel something isn’t doesn’t make you right. You have to think critically including yourself. You can’t just say, “those people have it wrong but I have it right”. 😏
"Is he (she) a Member?" is the shortcut the LDS use to determine if a person is good or bad. Not about how they act it is Member = good and non-member = bad. Glad I got out 30+ years ago but I think most of my LDS family can't see past my being an apostate and can't consider how I live and treat others to judge whether or not I'm a good person.
The extension of the concept says a non LDS person is not really capable of morality
My grandma would introduce me to people and say "they aren't a member but they are still a good person/good friend of ours." It drove me crazy. It's so fucked up. But that's what she thought was necessary.
more like are they practicing member or Jack?
My favorite part growing up was mapping out the plan of salvation with chalk
I dated a Mormon girl once and her dad was talking about some people living on the Sun. I’m thinking to myself, where the hell am I? These people are weird.
Just call it the Church of Joseph Smith of Latter Day Saints.
Just call it the “Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”
I just had a new realization! Why is it more righteous or why is it moral to not pay your bills? Isn’t that like stealing? So let’s say you pay tithing instead of your electricity and gas bill, isn’t it actually unrighteous of the church to want you to stiff the utilities company? At least until they turn the power off.
My dad chose not to pay tithing so we could have power in our house. If he had paid tithing our power would’ve been turned off, so it could be viewed as the church is willing to let it’s people go homeless or without basic needs in favor of tithing.
If you don’t want to be homeless, well, you can’t have a temple recommend. That was the choice one inactive lady I visited had to make.
A really close friend of mine had to go without internet, tv, and some other “luxuries” in order to receive food from the storehouse… her bishop needed to know she truly could not pay for food before he would give her free food.
Yeah! One of the big things that convinced me that the church was just full of shit was when I went for my first temple recommend after returning to the church after being gone from it for over 20 years.
When asked about tithing I explained that my disability check just barely covered my rent and utilities and didn’t leave me enough to pay for my meds and food for my wife and daughter and I. I was told in so many words that my tithing had to come first and that the rest of my living expenses could be deferred until later. I asked the bishop how he figured that when I didn’t have enough money as it was. I then explained my logic and reasoning for paying for my living necessities before anything else. He told me to treat tithing as my first living necessity and make it my top priority. He didn’t care if we got evicted or had our power, water or other utilities shut off because god would provide for our needs. I shot back that if god would provide for my own needs that he would most certainly provide for the church’s since it was, after all, his one true church. I got up without another word and left the office, walked out of the ward building and haven’t returned since. This wasn’t the only reason for leaving the church, but it was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
@@ExvangelicalJess God would provide for his church since it’s the one true church. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is such a narrow view. This is not at all my experience or what I learned. The church definitely has to be careful to not just give away free food to people who might already have it or a way to pay for it. There definitely can be strict and cruel bishops in the church, no doubt there. That’s something people call “human error” or even “spiteful or sinful spirit”. But what ought to be clear is nowhere in any policy does it say you must follow everything a bishop says. That’s why people have their own discernment, priesthood, revelation, as well as other leaders to talk to about issues if needed. Now if say you’re intentionally not paying tithing when you know you’re spending it on things that are unnecessary or can wait then that’s an issue. There’s a reason the church wants people to be self reliant and have savings, rainy day funds etc. If you have savings you don’t have to worry about check to check things. Families do have to time to time cut back or sacrifice things though so they can pay tithing in order to spiritual be right for themselves. This is certainly true in all or most Christian churches, believe it or not.
@@ExvangelicalJess Yeah, I always found it interesting how the Sunday school lessons seemed to put the tithing lesson and the priest craft lesson one right after the other. Saying it's wrong of churches to tell their members that they have to pay their way into heaven, then turning around not letting their own members into the temple without having paid a full tithing.... even if that means postponing their sealing to their family.
Also, tithing originally was 2% of the members income. And it was temporary to get the church established. Then it became 10% and permanent. But it's written as "10% of your increase." I think that should mean that you pay for your basic needs, then look at what's left and pay 10% of that amount. But the general authorities are too greedy.
@@unicorntamer2207 I agree! Tithing should be paid on what is left after you pay for necessary expenses like rent, utilities, food, medicines, clothing and the like. These things are necessary for living and being “self-sufficient “ as the church likes to say. Tithing is not a necessity of life regardless of what the church wants its members to believe. It has enough money in its own reserves to last well into the next century if they didn’t take in another penny from its members.
Not even 75 seconds in your video and I’m already relating to it. I’ll never fake forget being on a band trip and a fellow band member told me that her dad quit practicing the religion before she was born. It never even occurred occurred to me in all of my 14 years up to that point that it was even an option that other people had taken. I just assumed that everybody who was Mormon was always Mormon and was always going to be Mormon. It was a really weird taken aback moment.
In Arizona ward buildings are now adorned with banners saying “All are welcome.” They make me so angry. I want to festoon every single one with multiple mini pride flags. As soon as they removed them, we’d all see how “welcoming” they really are.
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I find it slightly comical that Pres. Packer says that the absence of light and darkness are two different things. From a physics point of view, darkness is defined as the absence of light. Oh the ignorance of the leadership of the church 😂
It sounds crazy on the outside, but it is totally true. Mormons do act thus way. Crazy, right?
Yawn.
@@HeckOffCommie You're obviously in the wrong section of RUclips.
@@unicorntamer2207 You’re obviously stalking people in the comments and getting triggered by what people have to comment. Lol.
@@HeckOffCommie Why are you replying to so many comments? Was "Yawn." really necessary? Or Christ like?
@@unicorntamer2207 J Politics' motto... If you can't beat 'em, stalk 'em!
I enjoy these episodes when you talk about the BITE Model. I think the points you made were well researched and logical.
My step-dad nearly worshipped Bruce R. McConkie. Any time someone in the family had to give a talk or teach a lesson he would be pushing his books on us to use. Even before I started really getting skeptical, I remember having thoughts that some things sounded off, but couldn't put a finger on it. Once again, that blindly follow and listen to the leaders, they're the ultimate word.
Yeah, but for all his authoritarian pronouncements regarding various things, McHonky had to backtrack big-time regarding what he had to say about race, and the standing of the "Negro." But of course he wasn't alone in that, was he? Now they've flip-flopped 180-degrees, and you'd never know there ever was such a definite demarcation between the races. Oh well, different time, different doctrine, theology, practices, programs, platitudes, and priorities.
@@joetaylor8687
McDonkey he was a Jack A
I am glad you left the mormon church.i left the mormon church about 23 years ago.
Keep going. Stay strong. You are making a difference.
The thing with tithing is that you are supposed to pay it even if you can’t feed your children, which is absolutely terrible
I feel remorse when I see missionaries. 2 years wasted in a foreign country all for lies. I threw my BoM away for good awhile ago. Best decision ever, tho losing friends sucks.
Very nicely explained. This is the part that I was most curious about. The thought control and otherizing others are quite similar to Islam.
Fun fact, the author of "Under the Banner of Heaven" was partly inspired by Islamic extremism. He wanted to show that extremism can pop up in ANY vein of religion.
You have been debunk multiple time by islamic scholar but still you make lies about islam ..do u have any shame or just paid servent of church just like jay smith
Will you please do a video about Mormons love for food storage? My ex wife Mormon had an entire twelve by twelve she'd chalk full of dehydrated food. Ridiculous the power if Mormon mind control. Lex, you're the best! Thank you!
It is a very good idea to have stored food for rough times. The Fed Gov is not going to help you.
Had several people die with all that rotten and expired old food I had to help clean up.
@@sjenson6694 that's why you rotate your food storage every 6m
I taught the plan of salvation on my mission :(
…and?
I just ordered Choose the Light and Outer Dark Roast. I cannot wait to switch my hubby's Dunkies with one of them. Fellow Ex-Mo here as well!
I've been following for quite a while now; probably over a year. In that time your content has gone from great to fantastic. I'm no expert but nevertheless I can see improvement, and this particular video really drove that home for me. So I just thought I'd say so - great work!
I was noticing the exact same thing! Great before...even better now! 👏
I have been following Lexi for several years and I have noticed the same thing. She is so much more articulate, relaxed, and makes all her research look effortless when you know it is not!! Such a genuine authentic person she is!
The black and white teaching will come back to bite itself really hard.
Commenting for support.
Same! Never saw as beliefs but understanding reality more than the whole rest of the world
That is so hilarious! Outer Darkness Roast. LOL…is there a “telestial ground roast” blend??
Love the video, as I do with all of your content. Nevermo (never religious) in the UK here. Weirdly, Religious Studies was one of my best (and favourite) subjects at school, I just find it all fascinating. Also a coffee nerd, went to Apostate to try and place an order, but sadly they only seem to ship within the US :(
Um yea its a cult
Hi there
Excellent video
Another excellent talk, Lexy; quite good, all great points, and as usual spot-on! Well done.
marcus
Lex, could you explain the 3 levels of heaven here Instagram or tik tok? I'd really appreciate it. I find it confusing.
Thanks
Growing up _in_ Utah but _outside_ the LDS Church, I already knew this video's "broad strokes"...but, most of all, that Us-vs-Them mentality, well, when you're, "...one of _them,"_ it's brutal!
I recently saw a meme that said, "Cult: A small, unpopular religion; Religion; a large, popular cult." Better yet, I saw another one that said, "The difference between a cult and a religion is that, in a cult, there's a person at the top who knows it's a scam; in a religion, that person is dead." Really the difference comes down to a combination of popularity achieved and time sustained.
The difference between a cult and a religion has _nothing_ to do with _truth!_ Remember that Christianity started out as a _fringe,_ Jewish apocalyptic cult...until Constantine converted.
YES, it is!
People never stop amazing me how indoctrinated and just plain out lazy they are to TRUTH!!
Mmm yeah, I think that can be said about you too.
@@HeckOffCommie And they'd be dead wrong. The truth is that Joey Baloney was one of the most-successful con-artists of all-time. Here we are (almost 200 years later), and the con goes on, with no end in sight (Thanks to brainiacs like J Politics here).
@@mylesmarkson1686 Wow, we got big boy over here calling people names. I wonder why they think something is a con. Not! I think it’s pretty clear why immature children such as yourself say the ignorant things you do.
Exmo lex! I have a question? I was a convert and when I was a member I felt like I was being looked down on… like I wasn’t good enough to be friends with anyone… do you feel like the church is a breeding ground for narcissists?
yes
You cracked the code! More than that though, they believe they are special for knowing the "full truth of the gospel" and have the "priesthood" and the "authority of God's power on the earth". Very arrogant.
yes , I 've been a member my whole life and have been looked down on for being poor . Any faith can be a good breeding ground for narcissists too because i know many women who suffered in Christianity due to narcissistic men masquerading as patriarchs of their family's sanctioned by churches.
From my personal experience of 26 years in the Church....yes. It can.
A narcissistic can really thrive and grow in the LDS church. My father was highly narcissistic and sexist....he was also sexually and psychologically abusive. All abuse of his kids was not reported by the bishop and stake level leaders to the police.....he was forgiven and allowed to "repent" time and time again.
Except he never actually changed the behavior or exhibited true remorse. Always welcomed and allowed back in.....never pursued or investigated farther.
I and my brother are worse for not being active or believing than a divorced man whose own children have gone total no-contact.
A real narcisstic, sheltered, strengthened and thriving in the Mormon Church. There could never be enough doctrine and scripture to justify his power and authority as a man, as the looking of the house. He'd always say, it's okay, I know God loves me even though I'm the bad guy....
That's my experience.
*as the man of the house
Not "the looking of the house"😬 silly typo
As a nevermo I still hear “Bruce Armor Konkey”
BITE is neither good nor bad, it's how it's used that determines whether it's good or not.
For example, mind control could be used for things like "Cognitive Behavioural Therapy".
I left Mormonism before all the temple stuff you're supposed to do once you become an adult, and everything I've learned about it since just makes me glad I never got in that deep.
Same.
Woof! Woof!
The most damning thing against the church is what ex members are able to say. That way you know it’s not speculation, it’s reality
My favorite thing is how Lexi only uses information from the church's website or quotes from the general authorities. They really know how to contradict themselves and each other and also be the biggest bigots you'll ever hear speak.
@@unicorntamer2207 yes and it’s brilliance that she does!! Not only does it show that it’s from the church itself, but it also shows how unstable the church can be at times
Thank you for reminding me how good life is without that “ church”! Life is good! Now, I’m gonna go make my cup of morning coffee with a smile! 😎
The church is true but listening to antimormon podcasts is training your brain to believe otherwise
I remember drawings of the great and spacious building. What was that?
That's from Lehi's vision of the tree of life and the iron rod. It's a similar mormon life map that gets drawn on the board though.
ExMo, I have been watching your videos for a couple of years now, and this one was one of your best! I really appreciate your kind and fair approach, and I also appreciate that you quote directly from church publishings. And the BITE model is atrocious! It only confirms the controlling and dark side of Mormons.
My daughter who hates the public school system because it tells children what to think, is Mormon. I am Catholic and we promote questioning and do not let anyone become a Catholic until they study about a year to be totally sure that they want to be Catholic. Mormon baptize almost immediately and then after years of mind control, they find out all the ugly secrets within the church.
Peace!
and Catholicism doesn't have dirty secrets ?! indulgences , being one of the major landowners in England until King Henry stole it ?! Keep holly records in Rome a secret and not sharing it with the masses ? Telling women to not use birth control and family planning so they can pop out tons more Catholics ? only having mass in latin until the Reformation and not giving people the Bible ? Worshiping saints and the virgin Mary like idol worship? taking on additional holidays that aren't part of the bible like :Christmas Halloween and Easter ? Not baptising properly by immersion like Christ for adults and people old enough ready for that saving ordinance , baptising babies,priest molestations, Making Eve a scapegoat for the fall from grace and making women out to be only virgin or whores .. when Adam willingly took the fruit and made a conscious choice of his own volition?! .. I could go on... . I know many good God fearing loving Catholics and Sunday only Catholics.. I wonder how the Faithfull reconcile these problems in their faith? .
The one thing I do agree with you is that people looking into the LDS Faith should look up the: good bad and ugly of the history and the history of any religion and not rush Baptism . To me 8 years old isn't old enough -as a parent of a almost 8 year old and I wasn't really ready looking back even though as a child I thought I was... .
@@ah5721 You are very angry. Catholicism has no secrets. Those who kept things from others are sinners, not good Catholics.
Not using birth control is what God wanted. He told Adam and Eve to divide and multiply. Birth control is a manmade thing, not part of God's plan.
Mass in Latin was a beautiful tradition. Even though most people spoke Greek, Latin was an elite language that many were familiar with.
People always read scripture. It was never kept from them. But in the 4th century, scripture was neatly compiled into a book that all could read.I was written in Greek because that was the universal language during the time Jesus walked on earth.
Mary and the saints have never been worshiped. They are venerated.
Christmas and Easter are celebrated because they are the birth and death of Jesus, the Christ. Halloween is not a Catholic holiday. It actually started in Ireland as a pagan celebration and ritual to get rid of bad spirits.
Baptizing babies was the tradition since the time of Jesus. Whole households were baptized including babies!
Priest molestations - sinners who are not good representations of the church, just as LDS bishops molest and other protestant pastors, molest. It is not the Catholic church only.
And baptism is the initiation into the church. That is the most important aspect of baptism. If LDS baptism 8 year olds, does that mean they are sinners?
Study history. You will find the answers to your misconceptions!
Peace!
Joseph Smith’s edict: Lying is good; truth is evil.
Tithes are truth
Where's my money, b*tch???
- Joseph Smith
Wow, did your pastor tell you that? 🤣
@@HeckOffCommie I stumbled upon this jaw dropping book, long out of print, but available on Amazon for just two bucks. It’s biting satire will undoubtedly be cathartic for the ex-Mormon crowd.
HOLY MURDER The Story of Porter Rockwell By CHARLES KELLY and HOFFMAN BIRNEY
…The testimony relative to the actual origin of the Book of Mormon is conflicting, due to the Prophet’s telling various stories before selecting one and deciding to stick to it. The final version, however, was that one Moroni, an angel, revealed to him that in a hill on the outskirts of the village of Manchester, New York, was buried a stone chest containing golden plates inscribed in the “Reformed Egyptian” language. Interred with the plates were the Urim and Thummin-in Mormon lore a pair of clear stones resembling diamonds, triangular in shape, and set in silver frames with bows. With those trick spectacles set upon his Roman nose, Joe was enabled instantly to translate the Reformed Egyptian into English of such purity that Mormon editors have found it necessary to make only six or seven thousand grammatical and typographical corrections in the divinely-inspired Book since the first edition “by Joseph Smith, Jun., Author and Proprietor.”
No one is controlled. It's all voluntary. No one stopped you from believing and leaving. You did that yourself. Just remember, choices have consequences.
Do ex-Mormon women often find that, with more time and distance from the church, their voices lose that childlike character and relax into more mature tones and cadences? It seems to happen when women leave certain fundamentalist groups also.
Awesome video! Thank you!
Hi there, I found your channel following Apostare Prophet very interesting the comparisons with Islam ☪️
I understand not believing in religion anymore but why don’t you believe in God anymore??
I was born and raised into the church. Was not interested from almost the get go....all while my dad was EQP and on high coucil and mom was RS prez.
The absence of light *as well* of the presence of dark?
Tell me how all "prophets" have German non American names? Quick! I have a class Sunday.
Your videos are very insightful for someone like me who’s introduction to Mormonism was the South Park episode.
I've heard that a lot of people in other countries have only heard of Mormons through South Park. Most people don't even think Mormons are real. Hahaha
Some people see South Park as a fictional show, but they hit the nail on the head in nearly every episode. A lot can be learned from them. They did an excellent explanation of "cold reading" and psychics. They might have been a little rough on Paris Hilton, but she took it with humor, whereas Tom Cruise is still a bit bruised from his star appearance.
@@cherryjuice9946 South Park makes fun of everybody, that’s why it’s so great. One of my favorite episodes was the one making fun of atheists. Also, the best running joke in the series is that the Mormons were the right religion.
When I was Mormon, I would explain to nonmembers about the Plan of Salvation. I would get confused looks, now I get it.
Same.
Since the LDS so freely quote "scripture" to "prove" their points I am curious as to how they interpret Isaiah 43:10 in the Bible. Mostly because of their doctrine that men can be exalted to godhood. Here's the verse: "You are witnesses says the Lord, my servants whom I have chosen to know and believe in me and understand that it is I. Before me NO god was formed and AFTER me there shall be none." (emphasis mine).
This is just not true, church is a place for sinners, I have someone in my ward who drinks alcohol and we try to help them, many people in the ward have tattoos, many people make all sorts of mistakes but it's OK because god forgives
There is No religion in Heaven. No need to fuss over it here! We are All Sinners Saved by Grace. Mormons included! They just don’t know it yet! Just do as the Savior said and Forgive them! From your Heart Forgive EveryOne..Matthew 18:35. Heaven and the Kingdom of God is merely a Place of Love and Peace for All people. Make Peace with Mormons! I am working at it too!
Beware of leaving the cult of Mormonism only to find yourself in the cult of politics.
Your comparing apples and oranges
Plenty of people leave one cult for another. Political or otherwise.
Everyone is worthy in God's eyes. You can love the person, but hate the sin. God gave us free will to make our own decisions.
I sit with the missionaries once or twice a week. Love those dudes but I told them from the jump I'm not being baptized and this isn't for black people (IMO) but godamn this religion is entertaining I fucking love it.
So one time I could not afford to pay a full tythe And put gas in my car. My temple recommend was up for renewal and I told my Bishop if I give this to the church I cannot get to work. He told me that if I pay my title the blessings will come and I will be able to get to work. I shot back with, OK but how is giving the money that I could use for gas to a rich organization going to magically get me enough money for gas? Why can't I just cut out the middle man and get gas?
I have always remembered heaven from before i was born, so even as a small child stepping into the church, I knew the church was weird, and things they would teach , in my mind I would always think no, that’s incorrect.
If you could turn the bite model episodes into a playlist that would help us all out alot
They are in a playlist!
Here is a link: Is the LDS Church a Cult? (BITE Model Breakdown)
ruclips.net/p/PLDVYdLJo2_IcuXIIWJJk2NOwFvXcOL-tP
Can we have links to skanky instagram feed?
Yes, let the doctrine flow through you
You are absolutely correct about the all or nothing mentality. The irony is that members constantly accept big holes on the “all” and still never consider the “nothing” as a possibility when it comes to church doctrine.
Clear, articulate, and intelligent.
Funny call out to Apostate! Love it!
I NEEED to know more about this pre-mortal existence because of the myraid of christian and bible based religions that I know of, pre-mortal existence isn't a thing in all but mormonism. I must know more.
Maybe I can make a video on the subject 😂
oh god, my former missionary instincts are still going off.
so mormons believe that in the pre-mortal existence (also dubbed just "the pre-existence"), we were all spirit children of god and his multiple wives (although, the multiple heavenly mothers is a deeper doctrine they won't tell anyone but the people they trust are in deep enough not to run away), living together.
at one point, god called a counsel to discuss a plan that would allow each spirit to gain a mortal body and become gods themselves. lucifer presented his plan to force everyone to live righteously, meaning there would be no lost souls. he's depicted as greedy for glory. then there's jesus, who proposes the atonement, giving himself to bear the brunt of everyone's sins so that they have a chance to be saved, regardless of some bad choices. he- naturally- gives all the glory to god.
there was a war between lucifer (later named satan) and his followers (one third of the spirits) and the rest of the heavenly hosts, which the right side won. the losing side was cast out, never to gain mortal bodies.
the rest are left to mill about in eager anticipation for their time to be sent down to earth and be put to the test, passing through a veil that wipes all memories of that pre-mortal life.
I guess you haven’t seen the movie Soul. Clearly the LDS church didn’t make that film. Yet it like many other cultural things reference and talk about pre mortal existence. I haven’t researched what other faiths believe in it but it’s clearly not an original idea but if you want to go ahead and think that okay. Lol.
@@chlyri I was always the obnoxious kid in Sunday school lessons. When the teacher gave the class a thumbs up and permission to pat themselves on the back for "making the right choice" to come to Earth instead of go with the 3rd of people who didn't, I always enjoyed pointing out Hitler made that good choice, too. 😀
@@unicorntamer2207 how have i never thought of that? I've heard there's always hope for people because they made the first right choice, but... yeah. i'll defer to hitler, osama bin laden, and charles manson from now on.
BAM! Best short of all time!
I was born mormon here in the philippines ends up not being actove after a year or two of being baptist
I've got to try that Outer Dark Roast!
Ok that hypocrisy of the bikini thing. I remember seeing that growing up in the church. And thinking how could this be bad. Ok if they're beautiful why should they hide it.
Hi Lex! I've got a couple topics / questions I'd like you to address:
1. The "First Vision" experience strangely echos the typical "magic mushroom" trip; Overwhelmed by darkness, followed by a bright light, seeing "God" in that light, finding forgiveness of one's "sins", having the epiphany that "none of the Churches are right", and ending up exhausted, on your back, looking into heaven. Other spiritual experiences could've legitimately happened through mind-altering activities (i.e. sensory deprivation by sticking your head in a hat to block out all light, fasting, prayer, etc), though that doesn't mean the "truth" claims brought from those experiences are legitimate. But members DO have those confirmation experiences.
2. The LDS Church is a cult. But all of those "tactics" the Church uses to retain membership can easily be viewed as a "means to an end" sort of thing. If the Church is legitimate, wouldn't the leadership do anything possible to convert and retain its members? Just as with biological evolution, the Church survives and propagates because it has those traits lending to survival and propagation, irrespective of whether or not it is "true". What's true is true, regardless of whether or not anyone believes it. Is it wrong to use such "effective" tactics in helping people achieve what you see as a happy and prosperous life? Wouldn't any of us exmos similarly do anything necessary to bring down the LDS Church and help people escape?
Great video. Thanks for keeping this up.
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I’m 17 and my parents know that I don’t believe in the church, but they still want me to pay tithing
do you have a job that pays ? then by tbm then you should , as half in myself i would say any gift / chores money is not a "increase" because your folks already paid tithes on it .
Non of this is Biblical.
A good half of mainstream Christian beliefs aren’t biblical. Layers of hell? Bible fanfiction written in like the 1300s. Seven deadly sins? Some dudes decided on those centuries after jesus’s death. Satan was the snake in Eden? The passage literally describes the snake as an animal created by god, zero mention of it being supernatural. Hell, even Satan being a fallen angel? Generally based on a misinterpretation of an OT passage that’s referring to a king who was alive at the time, and is taken out context to apply to Satan. Satan himself is at best a minor character in the bible.
If I run into missionaries, I might ask them where a “service mission” is on the “Plan of Salvation.”
Ask the Q15 members who haven’t served missions.
No one forces anyone to go on a mission. There’s plenty of people who’ve never served. You’re looking at one.
The missionaries are victims and are being put through the most cult filled part of their lives. They're just sheltered kids being shoved through the bleach cycle of the brain washing machine. Please be nice to them.
@@HeckOffCommie Good for you for not serving a mission. I guess that means you’re on your way to become a General Authority, one RUclips comment at a time.
In Arizona, I easily recognized Mormon men by their “little smile” aka garment line, especially on a warm or hot day.
Plus, that weird little look some refer to as ‘modar’
What I like most about the plan of salvation is the word "telestial", which Joseph simply made up. It doesn't exist. Celestial exists, Terrestrial exists, but telestial is a mixture of both, a hogwash pseudolatin word.
I think he just read it in the hat wrong.
@@mylesmarkson1686 or his Urim and Thummim were foggy.
Wait why is coffee not allowed in Mormon church can anyone explain?
They say it's for caffeine being addictive. But then the church owns part of Coca-Cola.
Honestly I think there's two reasons why they have this rule:
#1 just for the sake of having a rule. If you can get people to follow a stupid rule without much reason, what else can you get them to do? And anyone who doesn't want to follow that rule leaves. Those people would have asked questions about the rules and the church doesn't want them in this group anyways.
#2 it's considered hospitable to offer a house guest coffee or tea or alcohol. If the guest refuses and doesn't want to appear rude, then an explanation is necessary. BOOM. Now a conversation of religion has started when there wouldn't have otherwise been one. Every member a missionary and all that.
Because if you can get people to self-police a dietary restriction that serves no purpose, you’ve got their minds in your hand. If you can get people to fear drinking coffee they’ll police themselves and you don’t have to do any work
Thanks for these videos! I never could understand, or put into words, why so many things in the church made me feel bad, yet you do a perfect job articulating how I feel! I also have ADHD, which makes emotions 10 times stronger, so leaving the church has been especially difficult for me, because of so much guilt involved. Anyway, thanks again for your videos, and please keep making them. 🙂
Delbert? I had to rewind twice to make sure I heard that name right!
oh man. I was just barely thinking about what to get my friend for their birthday. You start talking about apostate coffee. I say, that would be a great gift for my friend! Then you say "This would be a great gift for a friend" I guess it was meant to be : )
Good job with more content
Thanks!