Can Destiny's Guardians Defeat the ENTIRE Warhammer 40k Universe?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Not just Guardians, but the Imperium too. Strap in, this'll be a long one.
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That line "This enemy is unbeatable, beat them anyways." is the best way to describe how paracausality works in Destiny lmfao.
Ya guardians being paracusal makes them a bitch to fight because any weapon they use is also paracausal so even if it shouldn’t do damage it just can anyway
I read that in Shaxx's voice.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
Me too, man, me too 😂
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy shaxx in onslaught be like
@nathengriffiths-holland7038 not every weapon is Paracausal.
Orc”we paint da machine red to go fasta” Titan:”smart”
they are genuis😋
Pretty sure that's literally the lore of a sparrow in destiny
@yasininn76 yes. A sparrow with a dragon that people believed made it go faster so the decal got banned
@@Bobbyblewthe vanguard though she had found and made a deal with a wish dragon because if i remember correctly she lost her first race but after painting a dragon on it she proceeded to win all of her races so a theory was she made a deal with a wish dragon which lead to an investigation, then when she was finally asked why she had a dragon on her sparrow she just answered with “dragons are cool” thus the idea of her making a wish was debunked immediately.
Sorry for making such a long comment but I love this story as it’s funny and I’m a god damn lore junkie
LMAO accurate.
And then the Hunters show up saying "Yeah but we paint everything black when we can" and a Shader Waaaaaaaaaagh starts
"Guardians make their own fate."
As of two days ago, guardians just destroyed a being almost as old as the universe that was SECONDS away from pretty much going into creative mode and rewriting and deleting the entire universe into its "final shape."
with the power of friendship and a lot of guns we can pretty much defeat anything
Aka a forced calcification of all reality.
Creative mode 😂
@@megarhombus7532and now with prismatic of all of our subclasses combined we can stomp the entire warhammer multiverse
@@Langodan with the power of friendship and this sword I found...
Pitting guardians against almost anything is the equivalent of putting two men in a ring together, giving one of them bath salts, and then telling them the other guy has a 3 cheese grilled cheese in his pocket and he can have it if he beats him.
I'd do it without the bath salts...
Triple cheese? Say less
Triple cheese grilled cheese? That's all the motivation I need. Keep the bath salts, I'll beat the other guy to a bloody mess for food.
the bath salts are only a good bonus
I mean guardians loose that one
You tell the Guardians that Space Marines have a chance to drop bolters with something like subsistence and deconstruct, the galaxy would be clear of marines within a few years. I bet a few would break into the warp and try to turn the chaos gods into various weapons.
"I KNOW YOU'RE IN THERE KHORNE!!! EITHER GIVE ME YOUR SWORD OR I TURN YOU INTO ONE!!!!."
Ngl. Given the kind of chaos our Guardians can inflict upon Paracausal Entities and threats? I wouldn't be surprised if a good Fireteam or two can take down the Chaos Gods.
Bro, I haven't touched Destiny like fucking years since it first was a new thing. But even I still know guardians are basically. What warframe is on more crack and bath salts
Guardians wouldn't be able to kill the chaos gods thats a known fact
The worst part is that whatever exotic sword Khorne would be turned into wouldn’t even be meta and thus would spend the rest of eternity languishing in the Vault.
At least I hope he can get some conversation from Xol and Oryx.
Jesus u destiny 2 mains are actually smooth brains
I love how two weeks ago, Buster is like "How does one beat an idea like the Witness?" and the Guardians basically said "Hold my beer. I'll show you!" LoL
Yep. That summary didn't age all that well.
Buster: How is that possible?
Titan: Easy. You punch it until it stops
Bullets, bullets, and the BIG BULLET (titan, hunter, and warlock versions all approved)
well tbf we couldn't have done it if the precursors didn't tell us the witness' weakness, plus we still needed the traveler's light to make the swords to break the statues, and eventually sacrifice our own ghost to make a lightbeam strong enough to kill it after all the shooting
@@dankerbell how is that really any different from the hoops we'e had to jump through to defeat other threats? The point being made is Guardians always find a way
Drifter meets the Orcs. Poses a "deal" to them that they can have a place to fight all powerful bloodthirsty and loot-hungry guardians all the time (Gambit). Orcs agree. Oomies and orcs are now homies.
Idk man they may still try and find orc heaven. Khorne has a waagh trapped In his realm that has infinite revives to fight demons and the orcs are convinced they've found heaven. One of the best 40k stories ever lol
Orks will die of boredom because no one plays Gambit.
Orcs would unironically become the next gambit enemy type
@@DarkPaganYeah that is Tuska's Whaaagh
@@DarkPagan
Better love story than twilight.
The biggest thing the scorn have going i think, are fikrul, who canonically just wont stay dead, and the mindbender who has his own throneworld
mindbender is perma dead since we killed him in his throne world in forsaken
Scorn in general won’t stay dead. That’s the lore of Presage in a nutshell.
If memory serves the lore reason for the strike is basically "Oh great Fikrul's back, time to go put him in the dirt for a week or two" And one of the quotes when you put him down (again) is that he believe that they will be doing this dance forever with the guardians.
fikrul cant die and neither can the scorn bc Uldren wished him and the fallen back to life and it can't be undone
@@gambitomega1374 only Fikrul can't truly die, Scorn can be truly killed
just the existence of 40k would feed xivu arath to such a degree she would become one of the most powerful beings in fiction
Who then feeds Khorne, amplifying his powers, creating a fucked up feedback loop
Yup. Xivu gets fat just from the RITUALS, the rote practices of the Astartes.
How fast would the 40k universe summon the Black Terrace (Xivu Arath's Throne world)? I mean at the end of Season of the Seraph, we would've done it if Rasuptins Warsat network had fired. And that's one planetary defense system.
@@Xios_Angelisomg if they teamed up which i assume is impossible they would be the worst duo in fiction
Xivu isn’t a Guardian though. If it was the entire Destiny universe against the 40k universe, it would be a very different story. Much closer race.
The only faction you forgot is the Architects, the only faction the Guardians have yet to beat, and have died the most too.
Nah bungie nerfed the architects hard. Their power is now canonically linked to only trigger sometimes under extremely specific circumstances.
@themadwarden6603 I don't know they killed me 90% of the time when I was fighting Calus on Legendary
Someday. I will grasp the nine as a club and use it to destroy the architects! xD
Im still killed by the architects a lot, especially during the zero hour mission against the brig 😑
right, the only faction that the guardians cannot win against is the architect.
I'm imagining the horror of fighting against the Guardians, even a small squad. I've done raids: one ghost calling out "Guardian down!" and the absolute _hail_ of suppressive fire (which, as pointed out, includes bolts of solar fusion, black holes, and entire Titan Strikers) that would result to cover them to get back up would be rather unpleasant to go against. Guardians are canonically psychos, clowning on their enemies without fear... right up until they get serious and that never happens faster than the realization they could lose one of their precious number.
Orbital bombardment and Magic, all dead.
One of the lore tabs for an iron banner weapon describes an Iron Lord being capable of blanketing an *entire battlefield* with void energy in seconds
@@ghoulishgoober3122 Yeah... that's just Voidwalker Warlock.
@@KoranthusBubble Titan.
@@4_xkA few of those and no orbital bombardment would be enough, you would have to crack the planet they're on
After the Finale Shape? Yes the Prismatic Subclass gives them everything they need, Strand also lets thrm ignore enemy durability
Ghaul light supression from red fall wouldnt work on the traveler anymore. The moment it decided to awaken it just broke free.
Right? We didn't even break it out. The moment it decided it had enough of that noise disturbance called that Red War, it just busted itself out.
@@JamesTheTurnbull exactly
It got treated like a toy by the witness there are psykers who would just kill the traveler you guys acting like 40k and destiny would even be close
@@sorina9130 i simply said ghaul light supression wouldnt work anymore -_- so wtf you talking about
Blow up the traveller, problem solved.
Wildest part about this video is that in like 4 days from now The Guardians are going to become exponentially stronger due to the rise of Prismatic -- combining Light & Darkness powers together.
and we'll canonically kill the witness too
not to mention when we defeat the witness in the raid
The rest of the guardians will finally get close to the main guardian OP status, of zero class I pull Nova bomb out my armpits while launching flaming hammers everywhere while enemies are trapped by shadow tendrils.
Things are about to get wild and spicy!
@@evilformerlys4704 as far as i can tell its really just us getting prismatic in the new expansion
We will be the final shape xD
"Guardians are demons of the light" goes so hard
Saint -14 lol
On the points of the imperium in the Destiny Universe, some things to consider;
- While the Fallen's tech is obviously offensively inferior to that of the imperium for the most part, one area they excel at is hacking into other sorts of technology. Skolas' House of Wolves breached the Vault of glass and was able to take control over their time travel technology, and in more recent times Mithraxx has twice been able to allow our guardian player character to breach the Vex Network, once during the Season of the Splicer and another time during Lightfall's Season of Defiance. Given the state of technology in Warhammer, and how they've also come close to taking control over parts of Rasputin and did take control over the SIVA nanites in Rise of Iron, you can make a solid case that they'd be able to take control over Warhammer's more mechanical weapons like titans and ships if they were to put their minds to it.
They wouldn't be easily crushed because of their splicers, at the very least, even if a captain will never compare to an Space Marine despite their ability teleport and the like.
- The Hive should just absolutely destroy the imperium, to be honest. While a Space Marine's sword may sever the hardest diamonds, a Hive Knight's blade cuts reality itself and the blades of Ascendant Hive rewrite the world around them.
They weaponize and hollow out entire moons as bases and Starships, and already have to the Earth's. Their kind grows stronger with every ounce of suffering and pain they inflict, and every life they take. The Guard and Astartes throwing numbers at the Hive will only empower them further and further. And while victories against the forces of lesser Hive certainly could be managed, I won't argue something dumb like your average Hive Knight soloing everything... the Ascendant Hive are just far too far beyond anything the imperium can face.
Oryx's fleet alone has destroyed entire galaxy-spanning civilizations, and he singlehandedly would be unstoppable with his powers of Darkness and his knowledge of how to take enemy combatants. He is described as being a is a syllogism to triumph, to killing and death. His ship, which is his throne, alone resists understanding with what is described as "spite." He is described as bringing about the end of a civilization in but ten paces. Before he had even become Oryx, the worm gods describe this to him: "You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror." "Your existence begins to define itself."
Xivu Arath embodies war itself and grows stronger with every conflict, were the WH40K forces to obliterate a planet or even a moon to exterminate all the Hive there, Xivu would do what was threatened in Season of the Seraph and open a portal like she did above the Cabal's homeworld with all that slaughter -- allowing for her own armies to descend in full force, and herself, overwhelming anything that could be mounted.
Savathun's Lucent Hive are another matter altogether, as they have the same powers as the Guardians and benefit from the Sword Logic in the same way, while having the obscene military power of a Hive Swarm. They too fight wars on a galactic scale, remember. Not just that, but Savathun managed to subvert the power of Rhulk and seal him away -- A Disciple of the Witness who was going "upend" her entire throne world -- a space so large it contains its own star at the very least. She may well do the very same thing to the Emperor, or just kidnap him/other essential figures like she did the Traveller at the end of the Witch Queen campaign.
It's a serious mismatch. A united, or a single Hive force would actually stand a chance at winning the grand game that is Warhammer, so against a smaller force limited to one solar system? There's no chance of defeat there in the grand scheme of things.
Even discarding the immortality intrinsic to all Ascendant Hive, even a much younger Oryx learned to evade death when an entire planet is destroyed just to kill him, and overcame what was an entire galaxy throwing every weapon of mass destruction they could muster at him singlehandedly with his ability to take and the power that came with his ascension to the role of Taken King.
His Dreadnaught is invincible because it is his inverted throne world, and its superweapon that can obliterate an entire fleet of ships is described like this in Tyrannocide V:
"In one way, she is vaporized with her Ketch, the bonds between the very particles of her body questioned by the harrowing logic of Oryx's weapon and found inessential. The mechanism of devastation is spontaneous fission. The author of the devastation is laughing in joy.
In another way, a more true and symbolic way, she is impaled on Oryx's blade. She has thrown all her might at him, and he has answered. He has snuffed her fledgling divinity and her meager claim to royalty, he has exposed Mara to the raw and caustic hostility of his High War. She has been defeated by the sword logic."
There's also weapons like the Deathsong that can kill all living things on a planetary scale, and is said to be "a generally effective paracausal death impulse." Toland speaks of it as follows: "But what if what if what if, shhh listen, what if death were reified, described in its totality, made autonomous and universal, separate from any context or condition? What if She could invoke the ending of anything?" And the Daughters of Oryx are described as being able to kill Axioms themselves, to unravel and re-weave reality as they see fit.
- While the Cabal may not seem very impressive at first glance, it is important to note that they have been able to create technology able to suppress both the Light and Darkness with enough time -- meaning they could likely devise similar tech when exposed to the Psychic powers of those who use the Warp. That aside, they do are superb at the war of attrition that the conflict would turn into. Not only have they been able to wage war with the Hive for years on end, but they were also able to do so against the Vex as well. They literally clone new troops, allowing for them to replenish their battle lines absurdly quickly. Not just that, but every piece of Cabal Tech is linked into a battle-network described in the Grimoire card that allows for them to respond to any threat on the battlefield with absurd efficiency, and have loyalty to match the Imperium in a lot of cases. They do also have tanks so large that they dwarf entire mountains, so on the front of heavy vehicles it shouldn't be a total stomp.
What's far more important though, if we're taking the cabal at their absolute peak, would be Psion Flayers. They've enough intelligence to intrude on Rasputin's systems (Who is considered so complex that the the Vex cannot easily compute him with the Vex in question being able to perfectly simulate hundreds of copies of scientists they've never even seen), but more importantly have their own psychic powers. They can move entire moons at a time, and actually have one of Mars' moons positioned in such a way that it could be crashed into the planet should they ever lose ground there. They even have had at times machines able to predict the future, and once commandeered time travel technology from Osiris and nearly rewrote the destiny universe as we know it.
I wouldn't make the case that they'd shatter the imperium or anything, but they'd definitely put up a massive fight on the planets they intrude on. There's also the note of the Shadow Legion, who have access to pyramid tech and... uh, yeah. Pyramid tech is obscene. Like, deleting projectiles that come near vessels from existence by holding them in stasis in a pocket reality the moment they come close obscene to achieve invincibility, alongside having much more reliable FTL technology as well.
- Just one small note on the Scorn, they'd never be able to be fully wiped out as Fikrul is just immortal end of sentence and has been killed hundreds of times, Ahamkara wish magic is obscene. They do also have a great connection to the Darkness and any forces could probably do a number on whatever imperium forces encounter them, but as with the guardians their lower numbers should mean that they can be warded off at least, even if never fully put down.
- The Witness just... wins. Like, it just, won't be stopped. If we gave it the goal of "exterminate humanity" here, it just, would do it. It instakills guardians, couldn't even be harmed by a gigantic beam of light from the traveller that had enough power to outright revive a disciple, and commands an entire fleet of invincible pyramid ships able to warp gravity on a planetary scale and can itself take entire planets out of this reality.
Bro you deserve more likes ngl
Addendum: it's not just Fikrul that is immortal, ALL Scorn will eventually resurrect. The lore around the Glycon and the Season of the Lost talk about this.
What about the vex?
@@ChaaDubaItsIidan Yeah, but most standard scorn could probably be easily contained, while someone as strong as Fikrul presumably is should be more capable of avoiding any such measures -- and as long as he's around, more scorn can always be made, hence the emphasis on just him.
@@nathanmartinez4718 Didn't see much point in putting emphasis on the Vex because as written currently they wouldn't be the ones to do much if the Last City just suddenly got replaced; Other factions would be the imperium's downfall first imo at least, given how much faster-working they tend to be.
"without being invited in"
The Guardian after murdering the hive god's son and using his body to override the portals to their throne world: Huh... neat.
With that, the 40k verse would never kill crota
@@YesNoButMaybeone thing I noticed with the debates that people tend to hold on to the power fantasy of Warhammer 40K but still have no idea how peracuasal energy works. Rulk is capable of destroying Suns. We've even faced enemies who are very similar to the space Marines and that being the cabal. The Kabul weaponry is very similar to bolters even being around the same caliber. 3 psion flares are capable of changing a moon's orbit and crashing into a planet.
He still needed to buff them in numbers and remove civilians for them to even have a fighting chance and diminish the imperium of man’s numbers
knowing how every expansion works, 1-6 guardians will beeline to the Emperor and kill him in a raid, bypassing the majority of the defenses.
and then The Hidden will consider if it is possible to "Low Man" the Emperor... and then do it.
Imagine loading into a raid and you get to the entrance to the part of the imperial palace that the emperor is in (cuz the palace is the size of a continent) and you have to fight the two warlord titans that block your path while also fighting the minotaur space marine chaper and the 10,000 custodes. Bungie could take 100 of my hard earned dollars to play that.
They might actually die instantly. The moment emperor dies the psychic energy might destroy their souls
Hold up during the golden age might be a different scenario. I dunno if d2 has the technological strength to beat golden age wh40k. Maybe if we took the traveller with us
@@piggynatorcool668 Given the Destiny games take place after the Golden Age, as Guardians are the result of the Collapse and the Traveller being forced to defend Earth, I think it would be fair to say (after having changed the terms LOL) the Golden Age of Man from 40K would likely yeet the Golden Age of Earth
Space marines are gangster until esoterick hits record on obs and solos them for content.
That man is a lore accurate representation of The Guardian.
Would still get smacked by the tyrannids 😂
Esoterick soloed Excision GM
@@TheGamingSpartanA113 ah yes, soloing it solo, necessary double usage
@@Mech3001 in his defend it took less than 12 hours
Not enough time for season spice to penetrate it
ORK GUARDIANS
An army of Void Ork Hunters because Purple is the sneakiest color.
they already exist, we jsut haven't seen them yet
I think Orks would be more likely to be Titans tho- hold the frick up...
WARLOCK ORKS
You meant titans then!?
@@lonewolfhero3526would they be worklocks or warlorks
@@jonathangillooly9361 "Works"
I feel like you underestimated the Necrons.
They have the most advanced technology in the galaxy. It is true they are no longer unified, but the most time they can work together. Currently in the lore there is a Necron civil war with dozens of dynasties on both sides. But if there was a greater threat, they would unite.
They nearly defeated the Aeldary at their peak, (who you praised a lot even with their fallen empire) when they had the Krorks (super orks) and the Old ones, their creators.
Necron chronomancers can see the future more accurately than than anyone, maybe other than Tzeench or Kairos. Orikan, a master chronomancer had forsaw the fall of the Aeldary and the Horus Heresy in great detail, but they were too insignificant to him to do anything about them. He can also travel in time.
You didn't mentioned the C'tan, who are also real gods with universe bending powers, and they are part of reality. If they are destroyed, than a part of reality is destroyed. And also your Guardians would be able to destroy one, they would be cursed, like what happened to the Maynarakh dynasty, when they destroyed the Flayer. Most of them became flayed ones.
Tesseract labyrinths are pocket dimensions, and if something is trapped in them, they can't get out, because time doesn't pass for them.
You were not correct about their individuality. Only the rulers have their free will. All their soldiers work like a hive mind, and can coordinate together, for more efficiency.
And at the end I wanted to mention the Celestial Orrery. A holographic map of the entyre galaxy, where if someone would tap on a star or planet, it would be destroyed. The Necrons don't really use it for that, but if the survival of their race depends on it, they would use it to stop your Guardians.
Please keep in mind, that I'm not very familiar with the Destiny universe, but I know a LOT about 40k, and just mentioned some facts that you maybe didn't know. I'm very deap in this universe, and in my opinion the Necrons are the most powerfull race in the galaxy.
I think they could defet your Guardians.
Your rule was, that the Guardians against one 40k facrion at a time. If they can fight against only one faction at once, than I think it would be fair if the Necrons were united. You sayed ther greatest weakness was their lack of unity, and it's true, but they can work together with other facrions too. Against an enemy this OP, there would be no slintering and no holding back their reality destroying super weapons.
yeah, but they would still lose
@@justsomebody5450What? I don't really understand what did you want to say with this.
It took me about 25 minutes to write down my opinion and look up everything on the topic, and as someone who knows 40k more than the youruber, I had to mention some facts, that he forgot.
If you disagree, please tell me why, or tell me, what humans with some guns and a lot of plot armor can do agains literal star gods, time travel and destroying planets with one touch.
Oh and last time I forgot to mention the Contra Immaterial Nodal Matrix, witch is an area, where if you enter, it kills your soul.
So in short, so you can understand me, yes they would lose... I mean the Guardians, because they stand no cheance.
I heard the nercons have weapons that are so powerful in the past to the point the current nercons weapons would be like a pew pew guns
i would just like to say that ALL the vex that we've ever seen in the Destiny universe, every. single. one, minds included, was NOT a combat unit, they are the equivalent of farmers and workers.
Actually, I dont think thats true
If I remember correctly, Wyverns are a military type. I may be wrong tho
@@Noynnin Wyverns are the first combat unit we've seen from the vex. The rest are farmers or builders
@@bobbycollins7620this is correct
They still wouldn't lose, they may not win, but they will not lose.
@@YesNoButMaybethe vex can't lose its impossible, this is why bungie has been so scared to do anything with the vex because theyve painted themselves into a corner by creating a race of omnipotent time traveling robots that exist on every plane of existence.
Ask Eris to turn the Emperor into an Exotic and tell the guardians we need him dieded for the loot... Good luck with that.
Datto would later say that the Imperial Palace raid was lacking character, because it was gold everywhere like the Leviathan, but dirtier.
Gaurdians are to weak to do that
@@elitedonut1089 gAUrdians, maybe... gUArdians is a different story
@@elitedonut1089 I'm pretty sure the set of characters who decided that they could somehow physically shape a handheld black hole into a wall of flames just because fuck it can handle it.
Problem with that is the phrase "even in death I still serve" by what I've read and have been told. Warhammer will end if the emperor dies or gets off his throne. He will win and everyone knows it they just keep him alive and on the throne to continue to make money.
I think this is an incredibly fair comparison. Guardians are the best at defeating anyone, but you can't defeat an idea.
I can imagine Trazyn would *love* to have a Guardian in his collection. He could probably get an unpaired Ghost, but I think the best Trazyn could hope for is merely _employing_ a Guardian.
Trazyn would have an extremely easy time hiring guardians, he would just need to offer spare rare guns from his collection in exchange for the guardians getting him new stuff for his collection.
They would get along pretty nicely.
Trayzn turning into the next Xur
@@voltus20Calus did just that canonically with the original owner of Deadman’s tale.
@@Buster-McTunder Appearing randomly throughout the system, offering wares both Legendary and Exotic? I can see it.
Any time he shows up in the tower, he would look longingly at the Traveller, give an audible wistful sigh (despite the lack of lungs) and say, "One day..."
@@Buster-McTunder can you do scrin vs tyranids or space marine vs zebesian next please 🙏? You make the best conent. Please respond back.
Guardians are absolute psychopaths due to the fact that it is harder to put them down for good than even a Chaos Prince. They see death as a minor inconvenience and get even more pissed than the Tyranid Hivemind when one of their own actually suffers final death and are willing to do absolutely batshit insane things to seek simple revenge. Necrons treat their gods like pokemon, while Guardians treat gods in general like annoyances that need to be snuffed out and then turned into a shiny new gun.
Guardians are just unironically more op than the entire 40K setting, and as a huge fan of both I find it absolutely hilarious. Example: Guardians only needed one ship with one Guardian to infiltrate Oryx's flagship and set up transmat points for the calvary to then come in and start fucking shit up; which looks like something similar is happening with The Final Shape. They kicked open the door to a literal gods house and shouted "HEY, SHITASS! GET THE FUCK OFF MY LAWN!!" and did it much easier than the Astral Knights of the Astartes did with the World Engine which ended in all of them dying.
Dude you killed me with the “get off my lawn” line
If death was a minor inconvenience then they wouldn't be perma killed so much
TLDR 😅
@@elitedonut1089you say that like we've seen a bunch of guardians die. I can only think of cayde lol
@@hipo131 twilight gap, and red war
You seem to imply that the witness is the darkness, this is false… once upon a time, the traveler helped out a species we call “the precursors”, they were annoyed they weren’t being given any guidance though, didn’t really know what to do to work towards the perfect reality: the final shape as they called it. They got the traveler’s equal and opposite: the Veil, and tried to connect it to the traveler to learn more and perhaps gain the power to rewrite the universe itself. The traveler booked it before they could do so, so the precursors combined themselves into one being which we now know as the Witness
Alright. I'm only 18 books into Warhammer, and started Destiny the day Taken King came out. Can't wait to finish this video.
What's a Necron? They seem chill.
@@thiscannotbeyourname acient Egyptian space terminators that rebeled against the material gods made of literal star dust and imprisoned then to act as giant batteries
@@thiscannotbeyournameThere are many, many words I could use to describe the Necrons, chill is not one of them.
To quote the Mechanicus 2 trailer:
"Do you truly believe you can stop us?
We who have shattered our very gods and enslaved them to our will.
The stars were young when our empire was ascendant.
And when the last of them die, we alone will remain.
For we are immortal."
@@thiscannotbeyournamethey’re chill, until they decided to go to sleep, wake up millions of years later, and demand the whole of space as theirs 😭
@@TheLordofMetroids
THERE'S A MECHANICUS 2?!?!
I would like to stress, you have not seen a guardian fight until a quest to make an enemy into a gun is given by Eris
If the Destiny world was in Warhammer, there is honestly a distinct possibility that the Traveler would become a Chaos God of Possibility. That main conflict between the Light and Dark in Destiny can be chalked down to a game of chance. The Darkness wants to keep things simple, an easy pattern to go into perpetuity. The Light, however, wants life to be more than an algorithm, something that can evolve and create new patterns.
Having the Traveler becoming a Chaos God in this context might be interesting to see as it would in some way compete against some of the others in terms of role in the universe at large.
Chaos gods are the worst possible interpretation of whatever there authority is. Khorn is the worst interpretation of war, for example. The traveler wouldn't be part of the chaos pantheon
The reality of a Witness vs anyone in 40k is that it has no real interest in any civilization not touched by the Traveler usually just wiping them out in an instant. The Witness' power is beyond comprehension so unless the traveler decided to plop itself in with the group trying to fight with the Witness, they're getting wiped off the map in an instant as the Witness will have no interest in them.
The witness is basically a full power star god
a wave of his hand disassembled beings with no show of resistance. It was so little of an effort it was as if he just merely stepped on an ant that treaded in his path. Paid it no mind and with no real care. Just gone.
@@thesun5275 yep. I'm reminded how there's one surviving log of a civilization the Witness found that never encountered the traveler. That log was of them essentially being reshaped into something new & they had no idea what happened until it was already over. They were gone, entire species & civilization wiped from existence, or worse, in anywhere between a few hours or a few mins all because they were there on the Witness' path as it pursed the Traveler never knowing the Traveler's existence or of the existence what exactly wiped them out.
@@hellblaze10some Necron scribe "a star god? Oh yeah, we had those too"
Destiny players just make shit up lmao, the Witness is only strong in Destiny because most races are comparatively weak by sci-fi standards.
For the vex, in destiny we do not see a vex soldier or a general we only see lesser vex like farmers, miners, the only thing we know about them is that they do not bother to come battle the vanguard, for they battle our own time.
The only soldier units that we see are the Wyverns
Bro those farmers are strong just saying
Plus there is a 1 soldier frame vex those Wyverns
Vex don’t need soldiers or generals, it’s lability to them. They need units that are outfitted for combat, to do their regular tasks. Why invest in a combat unit when a hobgoblin can take the head off the shoulders of the enemy while relaying information like the antenna it is? The closest we get to combat frames is Wyverns, which is more so due to us not know what they’re role in the network is.
@@canadianbacon5512No, Bungie has said themselves that the Vex that we see (not including the Wyverns) are simply agricultural Vex who also have offensive capabilities. The *real* combat Vex are most likely on Volaris (I believe that’s what their homeworld/giga conflux is called) where they will defend against anything they see as a threat.
@@Hedron1027but why would they defend a homeworld? The entire point of vex is to spread their ‘pattern’ and make reality in their image. additionally when did bungie say that? Or are you thinking of Calus and how he said the vex we fight aren’t the soldiers?
"how do you beat something that you cannot fight" just sounds like a raid puzzle to me
I roll to Thundercrash the door.
I would like to point out destiny has there own version of khorne. Zivu Arath Hive God of War who has only lost twice in the millions of years she as fought. Once due to one alien race being genuinely stronger than her forced but failed to kill her. Which in turn made her stronger and wiped them out so hard there is no record of the species. The second is more recent where Eris Morn an ex Guardian. Thru Hive magic becuase the God of Vengence and has banished Zivu from her throne world which means she can be killed. I'm not saying it could happen but guardians could figure out a way to banish or seal Chaos with enough time and resources.
The issue is that the chaos gods don't have the same restrictions that the hive gods do. There are no rules the warp follows that the guardians can exploit. And while you are correct she is similar to khorne the video dumbed down khorne a lot he has a lot wider array of worship and power than described
@@DarkPaganso I was thinking, if khorne gets stronger while fighting, technically guardians can embrace the sword logic of the hive and get stronger in war too, just like how Eris slew Savathun to temporarily become the greatest hive god. Guardians are just capable of so many asspulls I think it's virtually impossible to stop them
That would be correct if khorne was constricted like the hive gods. The main issue is the chaos gods really don't ever do anything because they enjoy the "great game" as they call it where it's just all of them playing chess together. However these are being that have split planets in half from sitting in a chair made of skulls. And hive have sword logic to follow but also adhere too but khorne doesn't have that the only way to "overpower him" would be to end his worship which is such a wide area it's kinda bs. A lot of people tend to dumb it down to violence but it's also honor and commitment and follow through. He'll he threw one of his favored sons through a planet because he stabbed him in the back. Specifically because of being stabbed in the back. It's wierd
@@DarkPaganunfortunately GW can’t decided if the chaos gods are sentient creatures with their own thoughts and desires or manifestations of the thoughts and desires of the people of the universe. If we go by what Fabius bile proved that simply denying their existence hurts them, then yes the guardian with access to that information (which Fabius would happily provide) they can kill Khorne. It’s stupid but GW likes its cheating playground rules.
@@thegalacticempire2632 still doesn't enable them to kill him. It enables them to weaken him but fabius bile didn't exactly kill slanesh when he told her no
[A Commander stands staring out upon the battlefield, millions of soldiers stood at his back, waiting for the order to be given to charge forth. He is soon approached by his captain]
Captain: Commander! The Guardian's forces have been spotted approaching our location!
Commander: [Turns His Gaze to the Captain] What are their numbers?
Captain: [There's a Brief Hesitation Before Responding] There's... only one sir...
Commander: [Slowly Nods His Head] Good. Then it will be a fair fight
Captain: Three sir.
Commander: Stand proud men. They though us worthy of a full fireteam.
Captain: there's six sir.
Commander: PRAISE THE EMPEROR! WE ARE A RAID!
Destiny players are stupid af your shit verse gets stomped
Captain: twelve sir.
Commander: WHAT THE FU-
@@memesteve5216wtf we are a public space
Oryx Takes a librarian, learns about the warp and its gods. Goes on a shopping list of eldritch power. Xivu Arath is empowered by all facets of the war machine, She is war incarnate and war is her worship. Savathun went lightbearer and began wielding Paracausality itself. The Osmium Dynasty could trio 40k like its nothing.
I mean... it's what they did for billions of years.
Xivu Arath overran multi-galaxy empire in mere years (the cabal had worlds in at least one other galaxy).
Humanity only survived the collapsed because Savathun needed us and killed the disciple in charge (Nezarek).
And Oryx has been known to eat gods to empower himself.
@@ginghinaandrei5013 what gods ha he eaten? cuz the chaos gods are emotion given form not really anything you can touch there
@@supernovavortex3069 both of his sisters and Akka. Hive Gods *are* their theses (Discovery, Cunning War and far more recently Vengeance) .
Hive magic is about making concepts literal and vice versa. Deathsingers are the deathsong, which is death in musical form. Were they not, they would die whenever they sang (which happens while they learn it, they just have ways to deal with that). Their language in general is very similar in concept to enuncia.
He unintentionally reinvoked both Xivu and Savathun back, from mostly permanent death, by committing genocide while wielding their theses. Feeding death into them essentially.
He consumes gods through the sword logic. If he can kill them, he gains their power.
How would he then eat the chaos gods? *One army of daemons at a time.*
@@ginghinaandrei5013 while It is cool that he can do such things. One the deamon armies aren't the gods themselves so he isn't doing much through them, and the gods are not just singular concepts like war or destruction they are the entirety of the emotional spectrum given unholy life both good and bad emotions are consumed by them and it doesn't matter whether or not he can survive the corruption of the gods, because any way he might try to out do them he would simply be granting them power.
@@supernovavortex3069 eating isn't about final victory. It's about gaining power himself. See, Xivu and Savathun returning.
Outdo them? No. Xivu would try with khorne. But Oryx's canon M.O. is to not try to beat gods at their own game. (E.g. using deception against War (Xivu) and blunt force against Cunning (Savathun), shortly before Crota hatched.)
He would exterminate/take all life untill they no longer exist. Taken have neither souls nor emotions.
The guardians and the warframes teaming ups to find the emperor's loot pool
Warframes teach guardians the art of modding and guardians teach warframes how to convert the enemy god into a cool gun.
I feel like any astratees that has the emperors gold is a target. I can only imagine something like "you can make this weapon stronger by collecting and infusing the Emperors gold into it".
When the big E went down his armor was solid gold and was melted down and given to the highest warriors as a way to be closer to him.
@@thesun5275 guardians able to mod their weapons Warframe style is a horror beyond mortal comprehension
@@gasalpha879imagine a void weapon doing arc and solar damage all in one, not hard light or borealis style, actual combined elements, oh and add stasis and strand in those damage types too
@gasalpha879 guardians start applying warframe mods to their armor 👌
I think the video is mostly accurate, and while the Cabal, Fallen, Scorn and Vex are all correctly represented, I think it's quite clear there's a lack of information about the Hive and Guardians themselves.
First off, the Hive aren't a real problem for the Warhammer universe, Oryx is. He's quite literally powerful enough to single handedly take care of the entirety of the Tyranids by himself. Everything he wants he takes, and that which he cannot take, he will cut from existence. His sword is so sharp it can split atoms in two perfect halves with no effort. For each enemy he kills, a unit is added to his army. Moreover, anything that comes near him becomes taken, he doesn't even have to kill it.
There's nothing that could stop Oryx in the entire verse except for the Chaos Gods and some of the primarchs, and even then, I think only the Chaos Gods would be able to actually beat him.
Now, our friends the Guardians. New Lights would instantly die upon stepping foot in the Warhammer verse, but here's the funny thing: comparing a New Light to your average guardian is akin to comparing a coughing baby to a hydrogen bomb, and comparing a skilled guardian to an "Apex" guardian like Ikora, Shaxx or Shin Malphur, is similar to (again) comparing a coughing baby to a supernova.
Let's take Lord Shaxx as a benchmark here. Without actually using the light, meaning coating himself in elemental energy (void, solar, arc, etc) he can literally level a mountain with a single punch. I highly doubt most beings in the Warhammer verse would be able to take such a hit and not end up instantly vaporized. To make things worse, imagine that same sort of punch, but add the mass of a small black hole to it (highest level Void armor infusion) and the speed of lightning (Arc flow). Doesn't sound like a good time honestly.
Besides the physical prowess of guardians alone, which is enough to end most fights instantly, they can also:
Become as hot as the sun itself, weave reality around themselves to become nigh intangible, coat themselves in armor dense enough to be compared to a black hole, move at speeds rivaling lightning and turning everything that even comes near into a chunk of matter so absolutely devoid of any entropy, that it loses all of its energy and becomes stationary down to its atoms, affecting even the flow of time. Also worth mentioning, a guardian can instantly regenerate themselves back to perfect health with Solar energy, and recover all of their power with a single kill via Void's Devour (they can also do it without killing by siphoning life out of living creatures, but let's leave it at energy-per-kill)
All of those things are stuff that all of the slightly-above-average guardians can do, though not at the same time, and not all of the elements. Guardians are usually skilled in 2-3 elements, but highly skilled guardians can do all 5, and our friend Shaxx is way above a highly skilled guardian.
With all of this being said, I think it's safe to say that Lord Shaxx would be having a blast in the Warhammer universe, being able to pretty much solo most of the stuff you throw at him.
Now let's picture a fireteam composed by Shaxx, Ikora, Saint-14, The Drifter, Lord Saladin and us, the Young Wolf. This would be enough to pretty much erase the 40k verse out of existence (given enough time).
And to finish this long comment off, I'll just say that prime Osiris would most likely dogwalk that fireteam by himself in a 1v6. Osiris is quite literally the definition of overpowered, homie had to be nerfed for the sake of lore. He's been known to use multiple supers of different elements at once, back to back, without breaking a sweat. There's also other monsters close to him (namely Shin Malphur) but they operate independently.
Even in our universe there is nothing short of the Witness itself that could rival the heavy hitters of the vanguard. Let’s take Oryx himself. Unstoppable for a millennia of combat, literally the most powerful being in the known universe, and could solo entire civilizations. Got deleted from every plane of existence by 6 guardians. Or one, if you count the Taken King Storyline. Guardians are so insanely overpowered, and you can see that just by looking at normal ones. If the best of the best started to actually try, ie ikora, Shaxx, Salad man, that writer Gambit guy we don’t talk about, and the player, there’s nothing that could stop them. Even if you cut off the light from them, it’d just be like a darkness restricted zone. Yeah, you can kill the guardian, but he still had all his powers and his ghost can just disappear into another dimension, sit back, recharge, then manifest here for a microsecond and resurrect the guardian.
I would also imagine that (Pre-Season of the Witch) Xivu Arath would also be a BIG problem for Warhammer universe. She had been shown to be able to grow her power and exert her influence VERY quickly mid-battle, and her preferred strategy for winning her was was nefarious: She would send some advance forces to prepare their rituals to, when local levels of violence hit a critical threshold, _Evert her throne world in it’s entirety onto the victim solar system, with Trillions and Trillions of Hive pouring forward from all corners, wrathborn and taken being converted from the native’s billions as the battle rages, and fleets of war moons as far as the eye can see in the sky._ That would be the equivalent Khorne personally manifesting himself and his Brass Citadel, nigh-infinite legions of daemons and worshipers within it included, upon any particularly war-torn system in Warhammer (which is to say almost half of them at minimum at any given time).
And Khorne vs Xivu? THAT fight would sooner see reality break apart before either of them do, as they would likely feed off of each other in an eternal feedback loop of mutual empowerment.
Gotta remember that, while yes, most guardians are not "Apex" guardians, there is as many guardians that are as strong as our guardian as there are players of the game, from Bungies mouths themselves.
yeah, the hive are absolutely insane.
Its described that the massive cracks and ravines across the entire moon's surface was just Crota swinging his sword, which you could argue is in the continental ranges of power, and he's not even in the top 5 hive, and not even remotely close to the power of the three sisters. Each of the three hive sisters are probably capable of cracking planets, are immortal (and have already lived for billions of years), and become stronger the more they fight, and in the case of Oryx, he can Take, essentially flipping the numbers game on its head, and Savathun is an utterly insane tactical genius and also has the light on top of all of that. Not to mention they have already conquered galaxy-spanning light-blessed civilizations.
And Apex Guardians scale to those guys, our Guardian outright beats them, which is absolutely insane.
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Ironically, Savathûn would probably have the most trouble in the 40K universe, considering that the sheer amount of stiff competition she’d face in the scheming department (The Emperor and his remaining Primarchs, Chaos Gods and their forces, The Eldar and their Clown God, Ctan fragments, etc…)
When it comes to chaos and it’s gods, it isn’t just powers that bind them, but also emotions. Khorne is rage and honour, Nurgle is contentment and the cycle of death and rebirth, Tzeentch is change and hope, while Slaanesh isn’t just excess in negative emotions but also in positive.
If I am honest, the guardians could win given enough time, as a common theory is that how the gods are perceived and which of their power is more prevalent effects their form itself. Because the warhammer universe is constantly in bloody war, Khorne represents that, but should the galaxy be changed by the guardians, it could possibly make Khorne more docile, focused more on his honour through combat and less about blood for the blood god.
The guardians beat chaos not by killing its gods, but by forcing them to adapt to the new galaxy and focusing in on their more positive aspects in order to survive.
the eldar wont fight the guardians. they will see that "you fuck he cant die. we are only a million and he just killed a 100 of us. let not make them more angry"
Dark Eldar accidentally kidnap a vex and now they have to deal with a vex invasion on camoragh
Eldar are arrogant enough of them would keep trying until their population came dangerously low.
Eldar are arrogant enough of them would keep trying until their population came dangerously low.
They would most likely see the guardians as more of a tool than not, seeing as the CWE are bound to fate and causality and the traveler is sort of bound to fate as a sort of god, but i doubt anyone like Biel-Tan would ever think about asking the Vanguard for help let alone fighting them.
Typical destiny player ego
Edit: You mention Eldari sorcery, orcish reproductive rates and Tyrannid swarms.
For the Eldar, I think you’re right in terms of battle prowess and magic (Sorry warlocks, you’re good, but not “been alive and learning since the universe was young” good), but…
Combine all those three together and we get a faction that the Guardians has canonically already defeated.
The Ahamkara. Wish dragons, beings that alter reality on a whim to the point that killing them doesn’t really change much for the Ahamkara who just carries on living in their own bones! Basically, you’re fighting a species with the magical potential of the Old Ones, they can do whatever they want and are only really bound by their own social hierarchy and faux-pa. And the Guardians killed each and every one of them down to the last (known) Ahamkara.
Another faction I think we were underselling a little is the Hive:
The Sword Logic.
Or rather, how the entirety of Hive society is themed around the fact that the harder you try to kill them, the stronger they get. The problem with the Hive is not just how their gods are immortal and in perpetuity through Hive Magic, it is the very fact that by the Imperium’s warlike tendencies they’d essentially charge someone like Xivu Arath (the Hive god of War) into chaos-god levels of overdrive. You cannot kill her with war, for by fighting her you’d only make her stronger. Hell, the act of KILLING her as a means of hatred, conquest or in the name of Victory would arguably just let her come back even stronger. She’s like Khorne, if Khorne actively walked around and cleft planets in half on a whim.
And if you try to use subterfuge you’d come up against the Witch Queen, who isn’t just a Hive god in the traditional sense and a god of trickery (sorry but bye-bye imperial spy network and assassination bureau), she is also capable of wielding the Lightc and is thus paracausal and can field Guardians of her own as of the Witch Queen expansion.
Honestly, I’ve not even mentioned things like War Moons (making exterminatus not overkill, but a necessity) or the Worm Gods yet.
Hmm This got me thinking, If the Orks and the Hive ever got into a right proper krumpin, would they create a causal evolution loop until both species evolve?
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Honestly, I could feasibly see the Orks even once again approach Krorks if they ever met the Hive, since The Hive basically conducted a Warhammer-scale civil war against itself for (supposedly) over two million years. Simply to “sharpen their swords” in Hive terms and to “Stomp out dem weak gits” in Ork terms.
But then once the Orks hits Krork-level of PROPER KRUMPIN’ I’d argue the Hive would start losing, because whilst the Hive is a strong force, the Krorks would be like “Want to fight an entire species of of Krota’s”?
And that’s not accounting for Xivu Arath probably going non-stop into a wrestling ring with Gork and Mork WWE style.
Something else I think he didn't note is that guardians can actually be corrupted. The darkness has taken guardians before, heck, it's even happening to zavala in the final shape trailer meaning that there's nothing to suggest that chaos can't corrupt them. Having said that, if ever the necrons were to be defeated or formed a truce with the guardians, they could easily form mega-anti warp devices, place them all over the universe (not in the heart of chaos as that could probably destroy it which would NOT be good) and BOOM. You've defeated chaos
@@crossfire4691I don't think corrupted is the right word for most of those cases. When we use Stasis and Strand, it's not like we've fallen to the Witness or anything. I think it's more that those guardians were just kinda bad people anyways and saw the Witness as a better alliance than the Traveler for some reason. I might be wrong tho.
Guardians that use the darkness class ain’t really evil, they see it as more of a useful tool rather being good or evil. Rough guardians also exist to and some of they mostly use the light to do what ever they want that benefits only them, so essentially it all depends on the type of person a guardian is.
Orcs finding an enemy that can never truly die and “gives em a good scrappa” is like or heaven. Orcs would love to encounter guardians!
“Saving a ghost from a fallen captain” could mean “rescuing” and not “preventing death”
Probably the biggest advantage the Vanguard has is that their *way* more open to the idea of alliances and armistices, which would indirectly weaken and change someone like Korn and Tzeentch (since the chaos god, especially in Warhammer 40k, are formed and shaped by the collective subconscious of everyone in the galaxy)
don't forget the idea of innovation. Vanguard will turn gods into guns, which will grant the Vanguard a even bigger advantage
@@hoanglinhvu106 that would require them to win first though and all the gods in universe are in the warp(technically the emperor is in both), a domain of reality bending powers that are all capable of crushing a Guardian and more importantly, their ghost.
The guardians could ally with the Tau to gain an understanding of this universe to then break it over their knee.
Yeah I definitely think they'd ally with the votann and probably tau, *maybe* the craft world or exodite eldar if they catch them at a low point
@@Koranthusto be honest, the emperor sucks, he almost die 2 times so easy against Horus so… yeah he even wasn’t the strongest being, just a puppet
Short answer? Yes.
Space Marines are great, but a SINGLE Gaurdian is all it takes to whittle away at any force, no matter the size. A Gaurdian is a paradigm unto themself. They ARE the warp, in essence.
Ghosts are also incredibly durable. If you can get past the shell, they're still nearly indestructible. WITH any given shell, you're not breaking it without paracasual powers. Even the orbital bombardment only worked because the ghost was caused off guard.
As for paracausality, it has another facet.
Paracausal beings are more REAL than the universe around them. Any warp powers used on them might just fizzle out before hitting them. Psykers might be able to do some suppressive effects, but only physically.
Ghosts are not incredibly durable. No, paracausality doesn’t make you immune to psychic / psionic effects. Please read your own lore.
As fun as it would be what you said about the ghosts isn't true. Ghosts have been killed by regular Fallen during the dark ages, and continue to be vulnerable to more than enemy paracausal powers. You even see it with Sagira when she takes a stray shot from a Goblin in COO and gets taken out of commission from it. It's not untrue that ghosts are usually quite hard to kill (particularly if the ghost is paying attention), but you do not need paracausal powers to do it. There's a reason that the Coyotes like Micah-10 exist. Stray, lone ghosts are vulnerable, and while those with a guardian are considerably less vulnerable that doesn't make them unkillable.
EDIT: Important addition, according to Bungie's head writer several years ago ghosts *can* be killed by regular force, but only if they are in a darkness zone, e.g. an area where the amount of light they channel is weak. If they are in areas that have a strong, powerful connection to the light (like the Tower) they cannot be killed or even harmed without paracausal power, so it really depends on whether or not the battlefield would have enough light to channel.
It's worth noting this piece of lore only seems to be shoddily supported (as in it rarely if ever gets referenced and several major canon events kind of call it into question, like Twilight Gap), but I thought it worth a mention anyway since it does provide a very straightforward possible perspective on the matter.
Beat Tzeench by insisting on keeping your loadout in the raid.
DPS him with your crucible weapon.
When the Ad Clear Andys become your best defense against Tzeentch because they are too stubborn to ever change anything they do.
8 dps phases with adored, austinger and komodo-4FR.
One thing I feel needs to be at least mentioned are the Cabal's capability for rapid cloning. For example, the Ceremonial Bathers you fight in the Royal Pools encounter in the Leviathan raid are only seconds old.
Young wolf:...uh. guys? Zavala? Crow? ...hm. thats the last time im ever buying anything from the drifter. *Looks around*
Meanwhile.
Guardsmen:Sir! Unknown force has recently emerged!
General:what kind?
Guardsmen:it looks to be just one person. Wearing...very peculiar armor. Kinda looks heretical.
General:...well dont just stand there! After them!
Young wolf:*walking around.* "Hm. Well guess ill have to find another dimensional gate. ...or take a shot with the vex network. ...uh.
Guardsmen:FOR THE EMPOROR!
Ghost:uh...they dont look happy to see us.
Young wolf: probably not. ...
Ghost:music?
Young wolf:hm. Pull up my raid soundtrack and hit random.
Guardsman:enemy sight-
The young wolf:*being a guardian*
General:what in the emporors name is that!? Kill it! Purge it!
Guardsmen:what is this creature!? No matter how many shots we put it moves like its not even wounded!
*Cue very one sided massichre.*
Young wolf:...what the fuck was there problem?
Ghost:yeah... that was weird.
Later
Young wolf:annnd after i found the vex i got back here after i fought out of the black garden.
Crow:...huh. thats...odd.
Young wolf:i know right? Still not sure why that army attacked us out of nowhere. ...im gonna go get ramen,you in?
Crow:later probably.
I have been waiting for years for someone to make a video like this. One of this supreme quality that doesn’t play favorites and truly understands the lore. I thank you.
Ghosts take an enormous amount of non magic damage to kill but also they are incredibly small and very agile. But also if the astartes were to go against the witness with no plan. other than fight, they all would lose.
But if an astartes was resurrected as a guardian maybe they would have a chance.
Now 90% of all guardians in lore are below a Sigma-3 classification which is what Ikora is. She is the Strongest recorded warlock since the darkages (Unless you play a warlock in D2)
And let me tell you something the Guardians say. 'Devotion inspires Bravery, Bravery inspires Sacrifice, Sacrifice leads to Death.'
Correction: Ikora is a 5th Sigma. Recent lore states that Guardians below 3rd Sigma are not a match for the likes of Hive gods or Disciples (Rhulk is canonically more powerful than the weakened Oryx we fought by far and is the strongest overall enemy we’ve had a remotely “fair” matchup with, but the power-ratios for both state that Guardians below 3rd Sigma should not interact with threats equivalent to that such as Oryx or Rhulk, intimating that despite the difference, the two are in at least semi comparable levels of “avoid unless top .1% godslayer”.
@@Unsaelig ty. The classifications are....odd tbh
@@termlesscipher8045 Sigma 3 just means top 99.73%, sigma 5 99.99994%
@@Zevox144 Ive done some digging, Sigma 5 is supposed to be the top 10% of all guardians in raw combat power.
@@termlesscipher8045 Considering how Ikora is a 5th Sigma Guardian, and she's also among the 10 most powerful Guardians (that we know of), I feel it would be safe to assume a 5th Sigma Guardian is more like being among the 3-5% tbh.
Destiny fans like to point out how guardians have killed gods yet forget every god we’ve killed has been through extraordinary circumstances not through sheer force of will
“Extraordinary circumstances” bro just say you’ve never played destiny or don’t even understand the raid encounters
@@killclip6449 I do play destiny and I am aware of the lore so I know the only reason we’ve some of the raid bosses is thanks to outside influence
Rulk who is the strongest boss we’ve every faced only lost cause he didn’t take it seriously
Nezerek was killed shortly after being resurrected and not at full power
Oryx lost cause he tied his throne world to the material universe and Eris morn’s hive knowledge we also would have never made it to his ship if it wasn’t for mara sov’s distraction
The vault of glass we survived because of the sacrifice of a previous guardian which was used to make the shield needed for the final encounter
Crota was defeated thanks to eris morn’s hive knowledge
I love destiny’s story but you’re letting the fact we’re the main character get in the way of the actual lore
in lore most of the raids have already been attempted by previous fireteams and failed
We’ll always come out on top in any thing we do cause it makes for good gameplay but in lore it’s not so easy and regular guardians die all of the time
@@timtim6373 one small correction, nezarec was the most powerful he had ever been, but he was unskilled and overflowing with so much light and dark that it literally burst out of him (wipe mechanic during the walk encounter)
Nezarec had just been reborn and didn't know how to wield the light but he was causing havoc on neptune whilst being nothing more than a head in a jar next to earth
Orikan: why did you contact me!?
Trazyn: I found something that might interest the both of us.
Orikan: what, did you find another untouched necrontyr body? If not then I’ll be taking my Lea-
Trazyn: it’s a simulation machine.
Orikan: I can already do that, I can simulate the origin of the first explosion to start existence, what can this machine do that I can not.
Trazyn: simulate, calculate and even from my most basic studying…can warp space time.
Orikan: explain
Trazyn: I found this on dead planet, corrupted by a machine based life form. It turned the entire planet into a massive computer that living being can enter and influence.
Orikan: and what makes you believe it can abuse time
Trazyn: because I saw it, I saw future where we were still flesh, a future where we became beings of energy, a future where we died before all of this happened. I saw a version of myself talking to another version of you, like we are doing right now. I’ll be honest with you Orikan, this thing scares me but I know you can most likely use it better than me.
Orikan: alright…what is this thing called
Trazyn: it’s called…the infinite forest.
A Guardian to an Ork: "So... we have this thing called the Infinite Forest... it has infinite krumping."
Orkz: "Say less humie"
Trazyn would 100% not let Orikan know this exists. That's reserved for his personal collection.
(Reports from cabal legionary in the infinite forest)
(this lore tab is long so I'll shorten it)
Report 1. Psions encountered guardian fireteam sprinting past units without engaging, no units were harmed.
Report 2. Psions encountered guardian fireteam sprinting past units without engaging, no units were harmed. All but 1 personal have reported identical details, morale is decreasing.
Report 3.Psions encountered guardian fireteam sprinting past units without engaging, no units were harmed. All but 1 personal have reported identical details, morale is decreasing...
The purpose of this lore tab is to understand that non-paracasual beings would most likely be trapped inside a time loop with no way to escape, and they might not even realize it until the different time loops overlap which could take eons and they would slowly realize what they are in.
@@v.rocky111 which I believe the only person (besides Osiris) that could not only use but master the infinite forest is Orikan. Even Trazyn confessed that he is deeply disturbed by his abilities and even if he spent hundreds of years studying, he couldn’t get to 1% of his power.
And also I love to imagine Orikan using the infinite forest to not only simulate events but also use it as an artificial celestial battery
orikan and trazyn would just have another infinite and divine moment where its just thousands of years of them fucking over eachother attempting to study the "new toy" lol
Counterpoint to everything:
throw as many legions and chapters of astartes as you want. Angry tether boi with blackhole pew pew gets angrier and shoves catalyst in the graviton's no no cylinder.
Speaking like a baby is so funny bro keep doing that youre hilarious
@@thefakebriskeh which girl left you for jerome chief, who spit in your coffee, who dropped your baby, who cucked you? It'll be okay, therapy is cheap and the hall of heroes is over on your right, Bearer of Comedy.
Thousand Suns Legion could merc them alone. Full legion of psykers, bam no ghosts.
Most any Blood Angel psyker is able to just...cast Blood Boil. It does what it says on the tin. Have fun with that one.
pretty much
Destiny is similar to 40k in the sense that every threat they face is manageable yet are never able to completely wipe them out cause if they ever focused a faction they open themselves up to the others
The wish dragons being the expedition since of how much of a threat they were
Said this in the last video, but the idea of guardians being created from any of the races in Warhammer is unfortunately impossible. Contrary to what some people think, ghosts can’t resurrect anybody they want; guardians can only be risen from those civilizations that were visited by the traveler, hence why the hive were able to become guardians. Even then, the ghost can’t just revive any member of that race, the person has to have a strong connection to the light within them already. Any attempt to forcefully make a ghost revive someone, or reverse engineer them, wouldn’t work either, as the traveler was shown self-destructing a ghost when Rhulk tried to force it into giving him the light.
wait so would eliksni guardians be a possibility?
@@emilebilodeau1954 yeah, not sure if bungie is ever going to go through with it or not though
@@emilebilodeau1954We call them Fallen for a reason
I remember back in season of the plunder everyone was wondering if Eido might die and become the first eliksni lightbearer
@@themadwarden6603 wild times
One thing I was always curious about, characters like Xivu Arath and Nezarec feed off and are empowered by War, pain, etc. and they get a healthy serving of that in Destiny's universe, so what the hell would they be like dropped in the 40k universe with populations in the trillions at constant war all the time? Like Xivu would probably be one of the strongest beings ever
Tbh they'd probably be killed by the chaos gods before given the chance there was one demon that tried to join the "great game" and he got permanently exiled from the material plane. But minus chaos interfering they'd probably take some sort of place "equal" I'm power
Well I could see an eternal war breaking out between Xivu and Khorn. And maybe one between Nezerec and Slaanesh starting up as well.
@@horrorfan117 that external war would sadly not last very long in either circumstance
@@DarkPagan neither Xivu or Nazareth can be killed
@@razesamiel4278nor can the chaos Gods. The difference is that both slaneesh and khorne get their powers from other sources than war and pain. So Xivu and nezarec would be best after eons of battle, which would be in possibly a few days in real space due to warp weirdness
A major point against Humanity vs the Hive is the existence of the Sword Logic. If a hive manages to kill something stronger than it, it then becomes stronger in turn, including outright gaining new abilities like physically cutting space and communing with the Darkness
Well we are turning Witness into a sidearm catalyst so...
so the traveler's chosen and the witness's bane side by side huh
I don't know about you but it is my intention to turn the Witness into a cloak.
Hunters care about cloaks.
Turning The Witness into gauntlets to unlock the power of cutting things from a distance.
isnt stasis literally tzeenchs worst threat though it is entropy given form
Yep it is as well strand being the web of reality and of the mind which ironically is the realm the tzenchee has
Yes and no. Tzeench is the God of change he would probably relish is any new "change" brought to the universe and waste no time studying and deciphering it so tbh you'd probably just give him a fun thing to look at
On the flip side, Nurgle is basically Entropy given thought, so Tzeentch is quite familiar with it as a concept.
@@TheLordofMetroids some other comments have suggested the idea of 40k races learning to use darkness and light and I think the idea of nurgle using heavy stasis would be a cool idea, the green and pink flesh and skin would contrast intensely against stasis crystal adornments
@@DarkPagan It's Stasis. It is the opposite of change.
If all but the Titan guardians left this reality prior to the final fight, Tzeentch would suffer a massive power drop with punching being the only plan left in the galaxy. As a proud Titan main of 10yrs, I look forward to headbutting through all Big Bird Boi's traps.
An Ork Guardian would be pretty unhinged
The enduring meme of Ork tech' being fueled with sheer 'belief' then it being multiplied by the power of the light.
Its like utterly believing that the shotgun in your hand is a rocket launcher which works out because Ork...
-BUT
The power of the light magnifies its power to Gjallarhorn levels of destruction.
Thats just the craftening in a nutshell
maybe the light can give the dumbo a brain
I think we had an "event" like that, it's when the game glitched out and we can craft weapons with weird perk. I remember getting decimated by someone using a auto riffle that shoot shotgun ammo
now imagine an ork guardian , holding an actual exotic, maybe graviton or smth, and being told its capable of destroying worlds in single bullets
@@DaPhantomFox and a second one taped to the first one. With a giant knife in the middle.
If I remember correctly there’s a lore bit about the gardener and winnower talking about how the vex just kept destroying the universe and so the gardener got pissed and did the whole traveler guardian thing
The quote that rang the most true to me was that Guardians are essentially daemons of The Light. They operate basically the same as daemons: they don’t really exist anymore and can’t be killed permanently except by extreme and rare means, can vary wildly in power, aren’t really bound by the physical laws of causality, and serve as the semi-independent extensions of a much larger eldritch being that’s more akin to a universal idea made manifest. Basically, The Traveller would be a fifth chaos god that doesn’t cause nearly as much damage to humanity as the others… but the Imperium would treat them like just another chaos faction. Heck, most of the arguments you made about how The Vanguard could, with enough concentrated effort into a crusade, slowly grind the Xenia factions to atoms one by one, could also be said of any major chaos faction if they were able to spend enough time away from the great game to do so. Also, just like a Chaos faction, the biggest threats are other chaos factions. Honestly, I think a “Traveller becomes a fifth Chaos God” thought experiment AU is pretty fun. The Imperium would hate them, but the humans who get to live free from the Imperium, protected by “Daemons of The Light,” would likely have the best quality of life out of any human in the galaxy.
I must massively disagree with chaos not being able to corrupt guardians.
Vex have corrupted guardians (Kabr the Legionless, Vault of glass)
The Darkness did it a whole bunch (Shayura, the Dark Future lorebook, and the first half of the Beyond Light story as examples for starters)
The Hive have been ripping the light out of guardians for years (Savathûn's song), and they still used their darkness powers when they got the Light (see Lucent hive Wizards).
Chaos could _definitely_ turn guardians. All 5 of the gods could. Khorne could easily turn titans into berzerkers, (see also the plot of Season of the Seraph where the guardians had to take out their own orbital weapons array to defeat Xivu Arath, the hive god of war... who was then only half dealt with three seasons later. Nurgle would laugh at how many times he can rot guardians to death, Slaanesh - well, you covered that. And Tzeench would just change their ways.
And knowing guardians, loads of them would _willingly_ throw in with Malal, not that they exist.
Also, the Aeldari _could_ perma kill guardians more easily than most of the others, since they are the only faction (i think) with ready access to Distort weapons, which irretrievably throw their targets into the warp. Who knew that Wraithguard could be such a threat to Lightbearers?
The Imperium do have things like Vortex grenades that open temporary rifts into the Warp, but they are much rarer than most eldar d-weapons.
Not to mention that the necrons could simply open dolmen gates to webway sections they know are breached by the immaterium, as well as orks further developing shokk attack gunz as the krumpin gets better
Id also say he heavily lowballed the Nekrons. They could absolutely destroy ghosts
Warhammer Khorne the Blood God vs Destiny's Xivu Arath The Hive God of War, would be interesting, since they're both entities powered by Bloodlust and Conflict
It would probably be an endless slapfight.
@@JosephMamaThe2nd Funny AF
@@YuriG1 personally thing xivu would become a demon prince of khorne so permanent respawns always. And since sword logic would apply then khorne would be juiced therefor juicing xivu til they eventually become an infinite feedback loop lol
One thing, there was one manmade gun that killed a ghost. Izinagi's Burdan. That being said, it was made by debatabley the strongest faction during the golden age, the Black Armory, from Ada-1, who is a walking forge. It is basicly a sniper that shoots railgun level projectiles.
Railguns are like, entry level stuff for The Warhammer universe. The guardians would be steamrolled honestly.
@@sethalmand9901 Hard Disagree, and while I am using railgun as an example, that tech is way beyond that scope.
Also, that is a non paracausal weapon, which the video went over about. It took cabal bombing a planet to kill a ghost. This is a human handheld weapon that 1 shot a ghost, which should speak for itself for how strong it is. The tower has weapons that shoot black holes and stuff powered by all the different types of magic/light/dark in the universe. The human made railgun is on the light side, and it could probably shoot through any armor that the warhammer universe could have.
2 lungs and hearts aint gonna stop a group of beings that hunted shape shifting dragons who would trick people into cursed wishes to extinction because it was Tuesday and what else were they supposed to do.
I do like how a lot of the Vanguard threats is not just murder death kill but also politics and diplomacy
I mean canonically 1 damn guardian who may or may not be esoterrick took care of all event that happened in the story (except raids)
guardians literally eat gods for breakfast
Calling the cabal frogs is hilarious lol
Aren't they turtles
@@yasininn76nah, they're rhinos
He forgets to mention how fast a shatter skating hunter or well skating warlock can be. They would absolutely smoke any enemies
You think you're actually apart of the game and it's sad. That stuff is just gameplay so don't bring it up
@@elitedonut1089 guardians are that fast in lore buddy and The guardian is the person playing the game in lore
@@elitedonut1089true, lore guardians are significantly faster. They can fairly easily travel at the speed of light actually
@@elitedonut1089what evryone else is saying. If anything, gameplay doesn't represent what it's really like to be a a gaurdian.
@@Jet-ij9zcNo they can’t.
Id love to see you explore how the space marines would handle the likes of the ahamkara, or how a legion of the space marines could become "Taken" and imbued with darkness. Also, Simplifying the question down to a 3v3 team deathmatch within the crucible. With Osiris, Saint - 14, and Shin Malphur. The oldest Hunter guardian and first to ever realise the power of the golden gun. No clue who would could be chosen for the team on the Warhammer side but simplying it down to a competitive match with rules on guardian revives (the guardians winning based on attrition is kind of boring and i want to know their physical limits)
You'd need big E level foes on the warhammer side.
Saladin can level a mountain with a single blow, without using the light. All 3 guardians you named are significantly stronger than Saladin and saint is significantly weaker than the other two. And Saint alone could fairly easily kill all primarch without even needing to use his light.
To out it into perspective, the player guardian is considered average.
@@Jet-ij9zcAre you sure? Ive been led to beleive that the gaurdian you play as is one of THEE most powerful gaurdians to exist. Not so replicated gameplay wise, but lore.
@@cheesegoblin8850 we are
Slanesh: "See the guardians going for loot"
Slanesh: "Summons more daemons"
Guardians: MORE LOOT
Slanesh: "Feeds on the Gambling Addiction"
The vex are capable of creating specific unit to deal with specific problems. For example the time where the vex put a simulation over the sun was done by a specific vex unit, or the vex that seal saints light to kill him was built just for that purpose.
For the guardians vs Tyranids, fusion rifle do atomizer matter. That's why fallen are afraid to get kill by one because not even ether scapes and to them that is not being kill, is them just stopping from existing
@@risenbow6592 isnt it Hive that fears fusion rifle?
Vex are are just techno tyranids.
Same logic
Same goal. Feed and assimilate.
@@risenbow6592 Tyranids lose to one Sunbreaker titan with Sol Invictus on, tbh
The Guardians vs Slanesh bit almost made me shoot my water though my nose.
The problem with the guardians fighting the gods is that whatever they do doesn't get fed into the warp since they aren't connected to it in anyway, so slenesh or korn or any other gods wouldn't gain any power from them because the connection is just not there
I just had a hilarious image in my mind of a guardian some how convincing the Orks to join them in the warp for a bunch of loot, thus creating a Waagh.
You gotta remember a waagh of orcs arr stuck in khornes realm and are convinced they found heaven and khorne likes them so much he gives them infinite respawns
I hadn't even considered that, the Hive Lords have their Throne Worlds. You can't enter a Throne World unless you reach the Ascended State. So could they even be killed?
they can techincally be killed for a long time, then they will respawn in their throne worlds after a while
@@MrSuperalan99 so no different from banishing a Greater Daemon or Daemon Primarch.
@@Xios_Angelisbasically, but way, way, way harder
@@Jet-ij9zc ehhhh depends on the greater daemon. A Keeper of Secrets? No too hard, they're kinda frail. Lord of Change? Again, not too hard. A Bloodthirster? A very difficult fight. A Great Unclean One? Good fuckin luck. Any NAMED Greater Daemon? Yeah you're fucked. Especially Kairos Fateweaver.
Edit: Forgot to add Daemon Primarchs. Yeah any one of em could probably body Xivu, Oryx, or Savathuun on their own. Magnus the Nerd and Angron the Angy might be able to take all 3.
@Xios_Angelis @Xios_Angelis xivu, oryx and savathun are way, way stronger than primarchs. Like, they destroyed several galaxy spanning empires. They create dimensions so large that they hold several stars just to hold their consciousness. They exist on several planes of existence simultaneously, etc...
Other ascendant hives might be comparable to named greater demons and chaos primarchs, but those three would pose a significant threat to the chaos gods themselves.
They'd most likely eventually kill the chaos gods, even if indirectly. Since they exist in real space, don't need the warp to do ftl travel and can't be killed, they would eventually just kill everyone in 40k and starve the chaos gods to death.
Simple answer: no.
Chaos. That is all I need to say.
As for the vex, an enemy that can see across all time and thus being undefeatable, don't worry. The Imperium is already used to fighting something like that. Hasn't won yet, but can definitely contain it; Kairos.
The hive would absolutely wreck the Space Marines by one simple reason: Xivu Arath
Xivu is the literal godess of war. War just makes her stronger. War is the only things the Space Marines know, so she would absolutely wipe the floor with them.
tithes in destiny are such a cool concept and I really wanna know if we do more in future stories
Xivu is basically a mini korn
@@hellblaze10 except she has none of his weaknesses. You can't get rid of her forces like you deal with daemons, because they are corporeal. She can portal them pretty much anywhere, by the way.
She uses mages and spells because all warfare is based. And mages can be used for war.
Her forces' numbers are only really limited by having to kill to feed. So most of their toddlers (basically gaunts) kill each other. Give them an external enemy, and ther forces' numbers will skyrocket. Khorne needs cultists/marines to get any foothold anywhere.
Her corruption takes minutes to take hold of most beings, even guardians, and she can make beacons appear out if the ground.
*looks at avatars of khaine, entirety of khorne*
(please please please f4i)
@@ginghinaandrei5013 Corruption is a vague term, also Space Marines are heavily resistant to corruption. Hive use darkness which is essentially the same as Chaos, so it would have similar effects.
I think guardians are closer to the C’tan than a pysker, in the means that the C’tan don’t rely on the warp and can still change reality
Yes but the ctan can only alter the material reality that's why they hated the old ones so much with thier mastery of warpcraft
@@DarkPagan yeah I get that, I just thought I should point out the similarities in the powers between the two, it gives more of an understanding of scaling on guardians in the universe of 40k
The light would basically be of a similar or higher level to c'tans like the void dragon, with guardians being it's 'deamons'
The fun thing is, you only mentioned oryx as a god of the hive, there are 2 others and one of them like one of the chaos gods, is the hive god of war, that gets stronger with everything that is felled in all of eternity, and another is a god of trickery, one you will always be playing into the scheme of
I mean… in a straight up fight the Guardians win. But nothing is stoping the inquisitor in orbit from pressing the big red button and turning the entire planet into a giant glass paperweight. I doubt even ghosts could survive that.
"Inquisitor our ranks are falling. Our chapter is decimated"
Inquisitor: "You have made the Emperor proud, now receive his praise"
@@ParrishT3 (inquisitor pressing button before he finishes speaking) "WHAT I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THE ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT"
Nope it would be fair fight or challenge to space marine but doable to beat gjardians
Even in a straight fight they'd lose if we're talking vs Slaaneshi demons here. Specifically, Lucius the Eternal
@@shoulderpyro yea there's no real way to every beat that guy considering he takes over whoever beats him in combat. Yea forgot he has that bullshit power
Khorn-“How can the guardians fight something that grows stronger the more you fight?”
Xivu Arath- Am I a joke to you?
Imagine, for a moment, that slaanesh turns themselves into a gun for guardians to loot via an exotic quest.
Now THAT would be a gun to bear
As a Destiny fan since day 1, no.
Guardians can barely hold a single city, let alone the Sol system, against scavengers and scouts.
Guardians are VERY powerful but there just aren't enough of them and they overall lack the military discipline required for a campaign of that scale.
i think because there just aren't enough Guardians active (~300k) for all the crap going on in Sol they look weaker. The threats the Osmium Dynasty posed along with the Vex are just that big and powerful and with the Fallen slipping in the gaps it kept humanity down. Also Guardians generally don't form armies anymore after the Great Disaster and Burning Lake on the Moon after the staggering losses suffered at the hand/blade of Crota and instead went for the tight knit almost spec op Fireteam style.
Virus Bomb The Witness = Guardians basically become Guardsman = Throw Krieger’s at them = Gas earth = Win
Is this bait or are you being serious?
I am Trazyn the infinite and will add everyone to my museum
My understanding for guardian power in destiny is that outside of named characters in the story, the player base is meant to represent the canonical guardians in both count and power. If 20% of players have completed raids, 20% of the canonical guardians are capable of taking on the god-like threats present in those raids. In game supers have an 8 minute cooldown, but by taking full advantage of game mechanics some players can get that under one minute, that percentage representing the number of guardians able to use supers that quickly. Based on this your average guardian can be expected to take on strike level threats in a fireteam of three, while the top end can take on serious threats by themselves.
People like Esoterickk being canon is downright hilarious to me when it comes to stuff like this
@@Zevox144 Ikora Rey being 5th sigma and there being ~1mil guardians means there will be around 10 others on her powerlevel (if I understand 5th sigma correctly) so it checks out that some players would reach that absurd power level.
Just to let you know, super and ability cooldowns are purely a GAME MECHANIC.
In lore, guardians can cast supers willy-nilly.
Also, read once that they could nova bomb a planet if strong enough.
Guardians don't have a cooldown on any ability lore wise
my understanding of destiny lore: guardians don't have a literal timer ticking down on how often they can use their light abilities but there is still an average time between their use of their abilities based on their capacity to channel the light which can be higher/lower than other guardians. If all In Lore guardians can just spam supers and abilities endlessly then I don't see why Ikora or Saint 14 would be special, but they are.
Imagine if a hive killed custodes. Killing a guardian puts you high up but like, imagine that plus a custodes, Sword Logic would create a fucking monster
A guardian is worth more than custody's
@@razesamiel4278 I men yeah but from what I’ve heard, custodies are fast and great at melee or something like that, while most guardians are great with ranged weaponry. With sword logic from my understanding would you not basically end up with a custodies who’s also a guardian?
@@nicho.7400 most guardians use swords and multiple supers are melee weapons. Guardians are faster as even in gameplay you dodge lightspeed projectiles
@@razesamiel4278 hahahaha. Not even close.
@@derisgaming9773 maybe not as impressive, but I think still very applicable in many combat situations. Guardians can and do dodge bullets, the crucible comes to mind with literally strafing to avoid gunfire. So they can dodge and move at fractions of or above the speed of sound
Necrons are also in the billions you forget that most of the necrons haven’t even woke up. yet they also have access to weapons such as the celestial aurory which is a litteral interactive map of the galaxy so you could touch a star and it would be destroyed in real time and this is just one of the super weapons that the necrons have. They also have an ability like the shadow in the warp. Also they have the c’tan shards
One guardian would wipe out a battalion of space marines. It wouldnt be close. Peak human with genetic modification isnt coming close to a paracasual god slaying entity. If multiple guardians started showing up in 40k it would be a blood bath worse than that universe has ever seen. Immortal god slayers vs peak humans with genetic mods isnt even close
Well one chaos god alone is propaply incomprehensible more powerfull than all hive gods combined, not even gonna start with the ctan or the necrons.
Also the paracausal Argument is just not Valid, there are comparable things in 40k.
I love destiny but i dont see it beating 40k.
Also guardians died a permanent death to stuff that would not be impossible to find in 40k
Would be a hell of a fight thou
@iloverpgs1052 I'm not talking about chaos gods. I'm talking about space marines. If a chaos god pulled up to one guardian it might stand a chance. However if the best raiders in the destiny universe pulled up to a chaos god it wouldnt be close. The guardians would walk through any chaos god. They are built as reality warping god killers. Lol
@@bentinbama1yes as in destiny gods not literal gods. The gods in 40k can't be killed because it's an idea you can't kill war and violence. You can't kill disease and decay. Excess and pleasure. Or the ever changing tides of creation as we know it. The chaos gods of 40k are leagues above any singular guardian or even a hundred. Guardians have limits the chaos gods do not
@DarkPagan unfortunately for you guardians in the destiny universe are immortals. They have reality warping powers. They can go into the warp and kill whatever they want lol. The warp isn't safe for the gods in 40k. Also the player character guardians are Canon. If some of the strongest guardians somehow spawned into the 40 k verse one high tier raid team would be enough for the whole 40k verse
Also the guardians would turn whatever god 40k threw at them into weapon just like they have done multiple times already lol. It's kind of cheap how op guardians are.
@@bentinbama1 see but guardians aren't guardians in lore die very often to much weaker creatures. And once again the gods we kill in destiny are very material beings the gods of 40k don't suffer from such constraints. The guardians can't compete when completely outclassed by creatures than can simply teleport guardians wherever they want once they enter the warp. Txeench labyrinth is literally described and unable to be navigated except by the clinically insane. The so called "God killing gaurdians" have only killed things that the chaos gods would spit on for calling themselves gods
“how would a Guardian fight a Tyrannid” a single Sunshot round and it’s over for them
Graviton lance on a devour warlock would be eating well
The problem with tyrannies is that they are a hive mind that adapts. In other words, weapons would stop working on them after awhile…
@demscrazy6574 then guardians make more guns
@demscrazy6574 As much as I love nids (They're the army I play) I'm not sure if they'd be able to adapt to the sheer amount of different forms of weapons guardians have, and let's say a swarm was made to adapt to G-Lance, they'd be left open to something like Sunshot instead
@@vergilchair9517 whos to say they wont just adapt to guns entirely and they all become useless? There was a passage about orcs and tyrranids continuously adapting to each other and the tyrranids came out on top. also, the orcs thing is what ever they believe to be true is true. ReD maKes You Go FaStER
Trazyn steals the Traveler 5 minutes into the match, and then Savathum pulls his planet into her Throne World. Rhulk would be surely confused by the sequence of events, but hey, he's getting into one of Trazyn's pokeballs anyway.
Rhulk would roundhouse kick the shit out of everyone that isn't named Savathun. Imagine leaving your Pyramid Ship and seeing some bullshit as some wannabe tries to capture you, a Disciple of the Witness. Rhulk would start throwing hands immediately.
@@lordpumpkinhead265 He would be sealed inside Trazyn's Tesseract Labyrinth before he would be able to give one of his classic roundhouse kicks. Fighting Trazyn is like fighting Bugs Bunny dude, he's the Deadpool of Warhammer 40K. Actually, Trazyn might take the whole Pyramid Ship with Rhulk inside.
The Witness and It's disciples are used to bullshit themselves in and out of situations, but the Necrons are basically bullshit made manifest, you can even argue that their tech is actually paracausal considering It follows none of the rules of 40K.
Actually, the Traveler would probably betray the Guardians and join the Necrons, considering It did so before, and considering the Necrons work very similarly to Exos It wouldn't impress me at all If, all of a sudden, the Witness is being stomped by a Prismatic Silent King. Give the Necrons 10 years around the Traveler and the Veil and I guarantee the Witness has no chance.
@bigbangrafa8435 Seeing the Silent King beat the shit out of the Witness would be awesome. I haven't played Final Shape yet, but, the Witness is less so somethibg to beat up, even with paracausal powers. Hes more of a plot device than a dude that yoy can fight.
The traveler wouldn't let it be taken away as savathun attempted that and the traveler just teleported back to earth
@@bigbangrafa8435The Traveler never betrayed the Guardians. Unless you view the existence of the Lucent Brood as a betrayal, but even that is debatable since the Traveler views the universe differently.
Fallen houses though would probably ally with Necrons so fast due to how they whorship machines. Would view being converted as an ascension to God Hood.
Don't forget bomb logic. The more guardians in a single area the stronger they are
The Guardians are the epitome of- when faced with impossible odds will simply say: "just watch me"
I love Destiny lore and all… but my god this video so far is nothing but glaze for the guardian.
A few things I thought of before starting the video so some of this might be mentioned.
1. An obvious point is both Guardians (seemingly) indefinite lifespan allowing for a long life of learning and training if necessary, no need for food or water as far as I’m aware and their ability to revive in non darkness zones, which should be a non factor in Warhammer, as there is no darkness paracausal power in that universe
2. Despite in game the maximum players you can bring to what could be perceived as lore wise, a high level of power scaling, which would be in a raid. In a realistic scenario there is no limit to how many could join forces, so you would have hundreds of thousands to a million immortal, greedy, brain rotted, trigger happy psychopaths who have a kill count ranging from thousands all the way up to several millions in only a span of a few years. Not saying they would win, but they can’t be ignored.
3. In a situation where Guardians are limited by gameplay balance, they have the potential to be drastically stronger. In lore, there are main guardians that are absurdly powerful and can rapidly use different elements, etc. Many have theorised that there is a logical difference between in lore guardians and playable guardians. Many famous guardians like Ikora and Zavala do not use all elements, some believe they don’t have the ability to. Zavala is known to use Ward of Dawn and Striker, whilst Ikora use Nova Bomb and Chaos reach. I believe the only mention of a Guardian using all elements is of Osiris, when he used all elements in a fight against the vex. Anyway my point is that they all seemingly have a large amount of ability output, being able to use more abilities in a short period of time, but having longer downtimes. In comparison playable Guardians have lower output (unless you run Sunbracers), but get abilities much faster and can master every element, which lore wise is very rare.
Additionally and most importantly, the underlying nature of the powers Guardians use is critical. Light based powers all centred around manipulating the physical world and the laws of physics and in some cases, breaking said laws. Darkness is, if I’m not mistaken, forcing change upon reality what you create through your mind and soul. I find darkness elements particularly worrisome, because Stasis is essentially about entropy and imposing that entropy into the physical world, meanwhile strand is about creating, manipulating and destroying a web of life/souls. I’m not smart enough to go into deep discussion on strand nor the light elements because there are so many different ways you can look at what the hell ‘Void’ is.
Anyway, Guardians are strong and way more persistent than they should be. Do I think they would be unbeatable, no. Do I think they stand a better chance than in the normal Destiny universe, yes due to the absence of Darkness paracausality stopping revives. Do I think they’d be an army of cockroaches that refuse to die? Yes. Yes I do.
i love how guardians are little loot goblin gremlins
Paracausal Gods like Gardener and Winnowers scale much higher than upper tier gods like Chaos Gods.
Warp and Paracausality are very different, Paracausality is a much higher power than Warp.
It’s a good thing the Gardener and Winnower can’t influence the universe then.
@@user-iy7bv1vs9h bro ima be honest your just wrong saying the warp and paracasality are very different. The literal definition "Paracausality is a term used to refer to forces, beings and abilities that defy the conventional laws of physics" is literally what low end demons do let alone princes or primarchs let alone the gods.
@@DarkPagan Warp is only immaterial,
Light and Darkness are both material and immaterial.
Warp is a sea of emotions of living beings.
Quite same with Darkness.
@@user-iy7bv1vs9h okay cool that doesn't defend what you said saying the warp and paracasality are different. I literally quoted the definition to you. Paracasality is the ability to defy the laws of physics which the warp does. It defies immaterial and material physics. And the warp in and of itself is immaterial but that doesn't mean it doesn't have material affects. Much like light and dark the concept and power in and of itself is immaterial but has material affects.
@@user-iy7bv1vs9h the warp I'd both hence why the necrons sealed the warp from the material realm a millennium ago with the pilon network. But since the eye of terror has opened up the warp directly interacts with the material world and alters it. It's like the traveler when it's trapped by gaul. The traveler itself cannot help the material world when sealed but when opened the immaterial power radiating freely allows material manipulation.
We just beat an elder god that was given its power by an even more powerful god, just like we were. I’d say we can have some fun in 40k. Just kidding, I hope we WILL have some fun in 40k.
Imma just say one name to you that should terrify you:
Lucius the Eternal
I don't even know how this is a debate. The Necrons literally have a weapon thay can cause any star in the galaxy they want to go super nova. Btw, this is a weapon that was not destroyed by the Silent King when he destroyed the Necon's most dangerous weapons because it wasn't dangerous enough. The Silent King literally has a C'tan powering his chair, a being that eats stars. The Chaos gods would make the Witness look like a child. They have demons under their control who are larger than planets. Khorne through a demon of that power across light years for merely attacking him (that attack btw did no damage). The Guardians also don't have FTL travel while literally everyone in Warhammer 40k does. Humanity has a population in the quadrillions with weapons on nearly every battleship thay can destroy a planet if the Imperium chooses to do so. There would never be a Space Marine vs Guardian because the Guardians would just get wiped out in space. The Orcs and Tyranids would also be a massive issue as they rarely run out of soldiers. When those two fought each other their forces only gained in strength due to teh attrition warfare. The only times they've run out of men was really when their fleets were destroyed.
The Guardians would be seen as less of a problem than the Tau. The last city has almost been destroyed by the Fallen before. How the fuck are they going to beat the damn Necrons?
educate about a Lore accurate Guardian
, the Hive, the Fallen, The Witness itself .
Warhammer universe is just one of the Witnesses Trophy's 😂😂 The Hive alone would ripp apart the Warhammer Universe. The guardians now killed The Witness. A Being capable of erasing entire timelines.
This guy here doesn't understand the Lore at all or its Scale. And neither do you :)