Can Destiny's Guardians Beat the Space Marines of Warhammer 40k?
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2024
- We put it to the test. Most things like Star Wars, Mass Effect, Halo or Gears of War lose to Warhammer 40k without issue. But Destiny's Guardians... bearers of the Light, I think they have a chance.
(For legal reasons no Carmines were killed in the making of this video).
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Cast your vote! Guardians or Space Marines?
THE Guardian.
@@schols0619 well if it’s me playing, they last about… six minutes?
@@Buster-McTunder Hahaha
Guardians.
@@Buster-McTunder yo can you do Zerg vs tyranids.
The problem with this comparison is that if you told your average guardian that they had to a farm space marines for a god roll bolter, they would hunt them down to extinction like we did with the ahamkara.
Subsistance and rampage on a bolter would go CRAZY
@@flagondragon1854 lol
Kinda sad how true it is
here before we turn the emperor into a lament reskin
@@TimothyMark7 guardians all over the globe would be fighting for boss checkpoints for a chance to grab the "Gilded God" shader
- -Could the vanguard survive in 40k-
- Could the chaos gods survive being raided by guardians?
More eldritch beings that exist on a plane made of thoughts, feelings, and ideas. Beings so powerful it's very likely we can bind that power into a weapon we can test on each other!?
Say less.
Did someone say new guns?
@@overdoseentertainment7862 hey guys look at this new sword I got after farming KHORNE for 12 years
@@overdoseentertainment7862GIMME THEM GOD ROLLS BABY WOOOOOOH
HE-HELL NAW‼️
Space marine: **Uses chain sword to cut a Guardian in half** the Titan, who stood right back up: **equips Lament** “MINES BIGGER!”
Underrated comment 😂
Only the Chain sword of Rogal dorn is as Big as the Lament.
I love this
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918
uhhhh a space marien chainsword is as a big as a guardsman, biger even xD
people really undereestimate how big a marien actualy is, they are often over 9ft tall when fully armorerd up xD
Lmao
"They kill gods for fun, and turn them into weapons for a meme. The only reason I didn't bring them here, is because they began casually wielding the Darkness to clap ass in new ways"
RIP Lance Reddick 😥
@@m.r.625 aye. May he rest in peace.
Fr. Like, Stasis is way too OP canonically. If you get frozen, you will get shattered. And the only canon way to survive it so far is to also know how to use stasis. Like, Space Marines are cool and all, but a random hunter can literally shatterdive them.
@@allentayoto7387 giving space marines the trauma of the shatter dive meta sounds hilarious
All I have to do to make them end you is say you have a shiny new gun... Or that Eris can make you into one
Who can win??
Genetically altered super soldiers so beyond human form that they’re considered a different species, awed by the citizens as the angels of the emperor and bowed before by even the highest ranking mortals, armed with the imperiums finest and greats weapons and armor.
-a god who blows himself up with a rocket launcher made of an even more powerful Eldritch God because he and his two god friends think it’s funny
A god who's best form of ground transportation is to launch himself repeatedly by swinging a sword
The "dancing little gremlins" who dances and jump off the tower causing a "watch out for falling bodies" to be placed at the bottom of the tower
- Eager Edge intensifies- @@Jet-ij9zc
You forgot the forbidden ankle high water in grasp
Thunder crash mains go crazy
Lore entry of the Graviton Lance
I don't think anything else needs to be said
Think of space-time as a tapestry on a loom. This weapon is the needle.
"So wait, that thing you found does… what?"
"It fires black holes."
"No it doesn't."
"Oh yeah. It does. Actual, tiny, bullet-sized black holes."
"Did you tell the others?"
"Only that I found some weird gun in some overgrown tunnel back on Old Chicago. And that my Ghost was all, "THIS is why we were led here…'"
"Yours talks that way too?"
"What do you think?"
"OK, OK, but the gun-are you going to tell them?"
"Yeah, definitely."
"When?"
"Crucible."
"Oh no."
"Oh, yes."
This is what we guardians also do, test weapons we just got on live targets. guardians if you want better feedback.
@@Hoodagames Space Marines also have weapons that fire literal Fusion fire and weapons that alter the Gravity of a local location, some chapters also have warp based weapons (yes, even outside the Grey Knights) and rarer weapons that can rival anything in Destiny are known in 40K (they are rare, but they exist)
@Keemperor40K oh no I wasn't trying to argue that, I was saying that the lore tab the guardian in question is going to use the weapon on other guardians as a way to test it. I wasn't saying that it was an advantage for destiny, srry if it came out as one
@@Hoodagames Guardians running into the Warp to casually test out builds
@Keemperor40K
Yes, but a Guardian can survive a Black Hole where as a Space Marine can't. Also, Guardians don't need weapons to wield blackholes; they do it innately when using the power of Void. When it comes down to it, Guardians don't even need weapons, they just collect them because it's fun. A Guardians Paracausality allows them to defeat technologically advanced enemies such as the Vex who I think is also capable of defeating the Space Marines considering they had the ability to manipulate time withing the 'Vault of Glass' and possess planetary sized prediction engines that enables them to simulate and alter the future before it happens.
Not to mention, the Graviton Lance isn't even considered as being some massive rare, super weapon. It's just a simple 'Exotic Rifle' that every Guardian could wield in battle. It's not even a Raid Weapon.
The Space Marines after I pull out my real build (the previous 50 sidearm kills were just for a bounty): 😨
That moment when u get bounty on a weapon u suck at
Me equipping riskrunnerer after the psyker uses lightning on me
@@fonfiff7308 HAHA YES.
@fonfiff7308 btw, you can self proc riskrunner with lightning and pulse nades.
I think one bit that you missed is that the 6-8 minute cooldown for supers is non-canon. There are examples in game (cutscenes) of ikora teleporting in, chucking a nova bomb, then using chaos reach within 15 seconds of each other. -The guardian- is a literal infinite well of light that's held back by game design and balance.
I was thinking the same thing. Overall the video seemed to be based on Lore. And in lore, there’s a lot of things that can’t exist in gameplay to to balance and technical reasons.
Such as:
- No super cool down
- Abilities that are unique to certain classes can be used by others. For example, Felwinter (a warlock) used a shoulder charge
Yup! The limitations we experience as guardians is purely for game balance because Bungie hadn’t come up with the restrictions for Destiny 3… yet. There are some fascinating rumors. Anyways… yeah, in lore guardians… are gods, monsters? Nah… calamities. Yeah that sounds about right.
This is correct, Guardians in Lore can use different subclass and class abilities whenever they want back to back. Ikora dropped three back to back Nova Bombs, and even Callus who is a fake Pseudo-Guardian could swap classes in game repeatedly. Lore Guardians are ridiculous as they effect probability with their presence
Literally this. I personally dont even think its a fair comparison. We, as guardians, are literal gods, wielding powers and altering reality without cause at the snap of a finger. I just dont think its a fair comparison, it is fun to speculate, however.
Yeah if were using Mechanics that means every Space Marine dies in Two Hits because they have two wounds on the table top
I imagine a guardian fighting a space marine thinking "wow this colossus is really fast huh"
Until the guardian goes as fast as light.
@@Joemama-xw2wy and sends so much random bullshit downrange you'd have to exit the solar system in order to dodge it
A regular cabal soldier is roughly analogous to a standard space marine… cabal colossus is more akin to a space marine using terminator armor.
Now with pristamtic subclass
@@ebenitez2011 that is completely incorrect my dude space marines are faster and stronger plus their weapons are more powerful basically a single space marine would wipe the floor with an entire cabal legion
Saint-14 exists, he farmed a hive god.
He made single-minded species of robots without emotions respect him
@@cartho1103 technically not robots but I agree
Like, last season at that. Lol.
He’s the equivalent of the DOOM Slayer for not one but TWO species.
more like spawn killed but yea samething
Ikora Rey can blink a distance of 2 miles.
Saint 14 is literally a demon in multiple alien cultures.
Ana Bray once fired a golden gun shot so powerful that the glow could be seen centuries later.
The average guardian is a walking Chuck Norris joke. Sorry bro, the Imperium of Man is finished.
Edit: forgot to mention that Ahamkara just came back from extinction in the game's story so any guardian could theoretically just wish for the Imperium to be destroyed and have that happen instantly.
The chuck norris comparison is so real 😭
Guardian wishes for the imperium to be destroyed
*Ahamkaras paw curls*
Guardians wage a victorious war against the imperium, and against all odds, recruit them to the cause. The imperium joins the alliance of the last city, and then takes out the whole planet, a ton of guardians, and the traveler in a last stand.
The imperium is destroyed
(Don't use wish dragons on anything important lmao, we have learned this like 5x canonically and 50x in the lore)
I think that a Wh40k vs Destiny universe war the space marines would like come out on top. But yeah space marines don't stand a chance against a guardian.
I would like to know how fast the imperium of man would find a way to shackle the traveller like Dominus Ghaul did in the Red War though. Or they could maybe just try nuking it?
Either way the rag tag fleet of Cabal vessels and random fallen skiffs and human spaceships wouldn't stand a chance against the astra militarum at it's full force.
@@Byggherren I agree fully on this, unit to unit destiny washes warhammer, but universe to universe warhammer washes destiny
@@spartan-1210 💀idk about that one buddy
Guardians can fight like hell but only after clearing out their postmaster
"losing a hand is a flesh wound" for the space marines. "losing ones life is a flesh wound" for the guardians lol
But look how easy it is to kill the Ghost. Without their Ghost, a Guardian becomes Mortal. Was it Osiris that lost his connection to the Traveller and now is Mortal.
Look how easy and fast it was to take down Cayde 6. The Cabal were able to even "Kill" the Traveler.
In the End..The Emperor of Mankind and the Traveler are the SAME being.
@@thisisthebeginning4425Osiris’ ghost Sagira had to sacrifice herself to stop the Hive from killing Osiris and turning his death into raw power. The bullet that killed Cayde’s ghost was made from paracausal materials and the Vanguard found in their investigations that the Scorned exhausted almost all of their resources to make that single bullet. There are a few obscure lore entries from the enemies of humanity talking about how no amount conventional fire power or energy weaponry short of Hive magic or Vex time fuckery could kill a ghost. I believe the only thing that the Imperium has that would pose a threat to the ghosts would be the librarians and grey knights with their powerful psionics or the few weapons they have that are capable of permanently slaying perpetuals. The Mechanicus might be able to pose a threat if they got a hold of the Cabals miniaturized light containment tech, but knowing them, they would probably call it heretical on the principle of it being made by aliens and destroy it.
@@thisisthebeginning4425not really there ghost don’t have to be close to them to res them, just keep them off the battle field. They are also incredibly fast. A guardian does not require a ghost either as anyone who can use darkness such as Osiris are still quite capable in a fight.
IoM once again proving their greatest enemy and folly to be themselves lmao.
@@ThedeadMapleoak the ignorance is supposed to start and stop with the book pages. But these clowns taking the wrong lessons to heart lmao
Didn't gaurdians hunt a race of planet sized interdeminsional wish granting dragons to extinction ........(edit) Yes, planet size is correct ahamkara shape-shift they look like dragons cause they like it riven is a small ahamkara her power came from being taken
Yep, The Great Hunt. Also known as 'These things are bad. SO LETS MASSACRE THE NIGH OMNIPOTENT SPACE LIZARDS! WOO!"
We needed the god roll
guardians also fight the cabal every day, with the cabal suffering HUNDREDS of casualties just to temporarly kill a single guardian
the cabal's main troops are 10ft tall and wear power armor, they're basically space marines without being as fast
Saint-14 survived literally thousands of years fighting the vex with his old shotgun and fists, managed to make emotionless robots feel respect
@@qwerty0047 saint also solo'd what was left of the big fallen houses, he basically caused a second collapse for them in a matter of months
Before I watch the video: I’m gonna say guardians by quite a lot (if we’re going by lore not game)
Guardian armor is quite ridiculous, I’m gonna take an excerpt I found about Titan armor- Titan armor is made of layers of ceramic alloy, plasteel, and spinmetal (which is made of
"catenated-virtual-particle long-range spin-coupled nucleon material"), and is reinforced with ribs of relic iron (which is an extraordinarily dense material formed
as a result of the Traveler's terraforming during the
Golden Age). It also includes inertial sinks (which absorb shock) and field drivers (which enhance the wearer's strength).
Don’t forget that the light bends reality to their will, causing bullets that hit them to have a retroactive nuh-uh moment and undo that entire hit. Different light powers get weird two- take void: making quantum black holes and messing with matter with your fingertips… and most of their guns are absolutely broken, with their bog-standard assault rifles firing straight up (almost) .50 cal telegraphic (also made from spinmetal and relic iron) rounds with magazines of 32 because they use programmable matter… most of their exotics are even crazier, take the graviton lance, a gun that fires bullet-sized black holes at relativistic speeds.
I am the biggest 40k meat rider but even then the guardians are basically invincible lore wise.
TL DR: guardians have guns and armor that are the equivalent of a mini primarch and abilities that warp space time
Graviton is my favourite exotic because of how much of a neuron-activation machine it is.
Massive horde of any small-medium enemy? Kill one, maybe two, and watch as the entire horde is nuked with an explosion that gets more powerful as it goes on.
So the guardians are like if an Eldar aspect warrior had space marine level power armor and necron level weaponry? Oh yeah, this fight is chalked for the imperium (or at least the space marines)
@@josefstalin9678 in 40k terms yep, exactly- I love it 🤣
Also there’s about 1 mil at any given time 🥹
@@The_Art_of_Music_Official Not to mention they get an arguably better resurrection ability than the necrons since the ghosts are so hard to kill
Saint 14 is the Boogey man for two whole species. The fallen tell ghost stories about him to their young and the vex literally had to trap him in time until his light ran out to kill him and he didn’t die until his grave could be laid on a mountain of their corpses.
Did it say how long it took to run out?
@@EnergyBurst2it didn’t run out, the vex had to create a new type of vex to basically steal away all of his light. After which he slaughtered the new machine and kept killing till eventually they got him, meaning that if the vex didn’t create the light stealing vex then saint-14 light was essentially endless
Take all that power scaling you just mentioned, and remember that Crota slew 1,000 Guardians in the Great Disaster. Then we came back, killed him, his sisters, his father Oryx, his aunt Savathun, and his other aunt Xivu Arath is next on the chopping block.
In fact, we beat Oryx so bad he gave us instructions on how to turn into a gun so he could be wielded by the one whose power was greater than his, and thereby understand that power.
Let’s see we killed Crota, killed his daughter Hashladun, his father Oryx, his brother Nokris, his sisters Ir Anûk and Ir Halak, his cousins Malok and Dûl Incaru (she’s got it the worst thought never ending death because of the dreaming city) and his mother (crota’s aunt, maloks mum) Savathun though she is back and we basically kicked Xivu Arath out of her home and made her homeless… am I missing anyone else? Oh and the pet Quria can’t forget that blade transform.
Edit: Xol too and turned him into a gun
I can't remember which one, but we killed one of Hashladun's sisters in shadowkeep's "in the deep" mission. Additionally we killed their mother Omnigul back in the dark below
Additionally, we killed oryx's entire court, and crotas deathsinger, Ir Yut. Though their has been minimal evidence that she may have had her own throne world, and still be alive
@@themadwarden6603 wait…. Was that the deathbringer mission?
@@DragonKnight90001 no it's the one where we get the cryptolith from the catacombs in the main campaign
Space Marines running 75mph watching as a I shatter Skate over there heads. (my momentum only stops when I become paste against a brick wall)
and then get back up from being paste
Lmao
The golden gun hunter watching the army aproaching him: "Oh i'm gonna get SO many resets"
I just imagine that scene in Kung Pow with the army rushing him and he's trying to count them
The guardian pulling out a broken ammit snuggled in by the drifter:
*chuckles in craftening*
"This is where the fun begins"
When the Chaos Gods find out that Guardians can turn gods into guns they will shit themselves
We're gonna turn khorne into an exotic sword
@@flagondragon1854i was thinking something more like an axe… a chain axe, maybe?
Tzeentch would probably try to hatch some scheme to turn the Emperor into a Sword and then have someone steal it/hide it or something. Would probably backfire though.
@@LordProteus we'd turn him into an exotic trace rifle
@@LordProteusMost likely not since warlocks are comparable to psions when it comes to mental fortitude and potency.
"8 minute cool down supers" meanwhile the bubble titans, headshot golden guns, and teather hunters are making enough orbs of light to revive the traveler 3 times over.
5 star eater hunters on golden gun with one well lock is all they need for infite super chaining for the entire population
Also ikora. Literally ikora. In, like, basically any cutscene.
I mean in lore there are no cooldown and abilities are not locked to 1 class, there are just restrictions for balancing
@@axt_4254came here to say this. Back in the opening mission of Red War, ikora rey throws two nova bombs in the span of 11 seconds.
he was forced to play trials against 3 bubble titans: 😢
Foghorn
I AM RASPUTIN! I HAVE NO EQUALS, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED OF GETTING NERFED BY PLOT ARMOR, SO I AM TAKING OUT MY ANGER ON YOU!
Rasputin controlled armies upon armies of robots and other constructs, weapons used by guardians to kill gods, warsats capable of obliterating a moon sized ship in an instant, lasers that can cut through warship armor like a knife through butter, and WMDs with names like “the un-fire of the singularity” and “aurora knives” he computational power is, lore wise, on par with the VEX’s planet sized super computer, and that thing is freaking PRE COGNITIVE!
We killed gods in their own damn home.
Developed dark powers
Cursed weapons and elemental damage weapons
Erie became a hive god
Traveler beam
You’re damn lucky we lost Rasputin
Being flung through space and time portals and rips in reality
Shaxx
Saint-14 Ikora pissed off
Killed multiple dragons to extinction
Fought back and reclaimed the light after it was ripped from us
A WARLOCK WITH A DAMN WELL KEEPS US ALIVE AS LONG AS NEEDED
SUSPENSION
FREEZE
Titian ELECTRIC MISSLE MODE
WISH GRANTING Dragons
space marine: prepare to die
guardian:
+radiant
+reconstruction
+bait and switch
+armor charge
+solar weapon boost +4
+super ready
a tether, well of radiance, and a celestial night hawk
and thats just gameplay guardians. the lore accurate guardians go crazy
Guardian: "No u."
That combo would immediately kill upwards of 6 marines, given that enemies in a tether share damage taken
@@themadwarden6603 at least. and any somewhat powerful guardian can use abilities and supers from other classes, so a competent guardian would easily follow it up with a novabomb or a thundercrash
+Gjally & Tractor Cannon Debuff
All you need for the guardians to wreck 40k universe is by telling them
" New guns and new exotic there "
accurate
same with the US and oil
And none of it would be sunset
If you say new subclass that planet is gone😂😂
You can just hear the impending tidal wave of guardians approaching in the background.
We also must remember that the powers that guardians wield (The light and the darkness) are the powers of Paracausality aka a term used to refer to forces, beings and abilities that defy the conventional laws of physics. The abilities the Guardians use are not restricted to the laws of reality.
Solar as said in the video can contain the full power of a star to either damage or to heal, guardians can manifest this as the legendary golden gun, or as massive fire tornadoes, hammers forged of pure solar energy, or the mighty Well of Radiance, a blade of solar light plunged into the ground that lets off not just massive healing energy to allies, but infusing their weapons with light to empower them even further than normal.
Void is associated with gravity and the distortion of spacetime, and allows its wielders to generate black holes, gravity waves and other spacetime-warping effects not to mention specializing in generating extra shields, suppressing energy (maybe psyker idk to be honest) and turning users and their allies invisible
Arc in game is mentioned to be "the element of motion and conduction, and is created when the electromagnetic forces of our universe struggle to achieve balance." Arc users have been known to super charge themselves to move at very high speeds and conduct arcs of Arc energy throughout enemy forces
Stasis is stated to be related to cold and the concept of the reduction of entropy, and more precisely to the ending of movement on a macroscopic and atomic level; slowing, detaining, and then shattering, A proficient user of Stasis in the world of Destiny stated when she "freezes" something in stasis that creature or object is essentially frozen in time, they are not aware of anything that happens when they are frozen by stasis. Stasis wielders can create storms of stasis that will slow and eventually freeze any caught in it, create barriers of stasis crystals or use those same crystals to encase an enemy, or create sentient turrets placed around the battlefield to pepper enemy and crowd control
Strand is stated to allow one to manipulate the Weave, a paracausal matrix of psychic energy that connects all things and minds in the universe, while this power is new it means we don't have any large power feats to pull from, but users of it can wrap themselves in strand weaves to form protective armor, they can generate threadlings (basically tracking worms made of strand), they can use strand to tie up their opponents and suspend them in the air, create grappling hooks to grant increased movement.
Let it be known in Lore Guardians have been shown to wield all these powers at once though some users do specialize in their mastery of just 1
"It'd still be interesting to see a guardian have a bolt rifle, too."
See: Grand Overture. Not exactly the same, but it's really the closest thing we have.
xenophage and skyburner's oath
Cant forget heir apparent
Titan: *picks up bullter* "yeesh this things got some heft"
Marine: NO LITTLE CRAYON EATER DO NOT FIRE THAT!!!! IT WILL DESTROY EVERY BONE IN YOUR BODY!!!
Titan: *full auto* *mag is empty*
"Eh not the roll I wanted"
god damn this is a good roll but it doesnt have 5 out of 5 roll i want
DISCARDED
"This looks cool"
*Picks laz-lock and fires it once*
"Damn... This is the shittiest scout rifle I ever used"
Is this a reference to the fact that destiny hand cannons are such an absurdly high caliber they don’t exist and should blow your hand off instantly?
@@flame8786yes 😂
@@flame8786 And then there is Erianas Vow. A hand cannon with such an absurdly high caliber that its even stronger than other hand cannons, AND pierces through armor better than them too. Also, destiny swords? dude says "marines have chainsaw swords" my immediate thought was "Well, we have a lament." Space Marines dont have a Parasite, which is a literal god-child shoved into a grenade launcher and repeatedly shot at our enemies.
Another thing about Guardians is the "8 minutes for super cooldown".
That's simply a gameplay mechanic. Well experienced and trained Guardians can cast their supers as they need. Ikora has switched subclasses mid-fight too. And now Guardians are acquiring the ability to kitbash their elements together with Prismatic?
haha....lol.
The new sub class is how it always worked in lore.
Actually, scratch that. The new subclass is worse than how it works in lore.
In lore guardian can use any super or abilities from any classes or subclass. But they need to learn those skills. So most guardians (besides warlock) only know one or two subclass.
@@Jet-ij9zc Prismatic is the cross between Light and Dark powers. Not just Light and Light powers.
Guardians aren't actually tied to a single element or subclass,
Ability cooldows are also different between guardians, for example Ikora consistently chains 2 void supers. Cayde's supers are on a 50 second cool down, and so are Zavalas. Saint-14 can *literally* keep a bubble up forever. Shaxx used a solar hammer as a campfire while using striker abilities against Felwinter.
Osiris... Osiris has: thrown chain lightning after blinking, instantly cast dawnblade, then immediately transition into chaos reach. Also he could clone himself.
@@Jet-ij9zcGuardians are able to mishmash different subsets of Light in lore. Prismatic guardians are able to fully weave and integrate both the Light and the Dark.
Not to mention, 8 minutes? Someone clearly hasn't tried Orpheus Rig or Pheonix Protocol.
The big issue here is that Destiny's gameplay doesn't show off how insane they are. In lore, they can survive being in the corona of the sun for several seconds (which is hotter then the surface of the sun). They shoot blackholes at each other through their guns and powers, and survive. There are Guardians with enough force to push mountains with their fists. The hypothetical battle between the Guardian and Ikora Ray would destroy the surface of a planet. The Guardians powers are called 'Paracasual' and directly contradict causality. They had a god of time try to rip them apart in the time stream, and they shattered through. Emperor Calus has psychic powers that can rend dozens of feet thick concrete and break into people's minds- and the Guardians ignored it and turned that power against him.
Not to mention the enemies of Destiny are scarier.
Vex are living cognitive hazards that use Dyson spheres to feed dying stars fuel to harvest heavy metals. They can travel between timelines and dimensions. They built a vault to rewrite all of reality to make themselves an axiom.
The Hive use a type of magic that makes you stronger by killing. Crota cracks the moon with every swing of his sword, and the Guardian killed him. Oryx corrupts your very soul, and remakes it in darkness. The Deathsingers can declare you die, and you do. They are direct servants of the Witness, empowered by a power that shapes reality. Yet Guardians killed and overcame all of them.
The only enemy that is directly stated to have surpassed the Guardians was Rhulk- cause he LET us fight him. And his overconfidence meant we could kill him.
Also- Guardians even without their light are still insanely powerful. Someone else did the math, so apologies if I get it wrong. But- the math says the Guardian fell about 2761 meters when Ghaul kicked them off his ship in the red war. The guardian then GOT UP and was limping, but able to walk. Then healed themselves without any powers and were able to fight off enemies in the wilds.
1 mill vs 1 mill i would love to see 250k nova bombs, 250k hunter lightning rods, 250k thunder crashes and 250k flaming warlocks just nuke an army
I'm having much more fun imagining a fireteam of Chaos Prismatic Guardians absolutely ruining entire planets.
... Who tell him?
A titan of Khorne would make Kharne the Betrayer's kill count look like a minor car accident.
And i dont even wanna know what mess a slannesh devoted hunter or a tzeentchian warlock would make. Them greater demons make excelent armor i heard...
@@roguedruidthe thing here is that if you join to any god of chaos just to get powerful they eat your soul so ye, you wouldn’t be that titan because 5 demons will be the ones controlling your body now
Oh? Try nurgle hunters. Member' Thorn and his little brother?
1 Million Space Marines: You can't beat us.
me and 50% of the player base who play casually: I know... But they can.
The other 50% of players who only do Solo Flawless grandmaster Nightfall, Trials of Osiris, and legends Onslaught: Hi there :)
Even i would shit my pants seeing theme even being a guardian
*can't
When the Solo Reckoner arrives. (ME)
Space marines have those players too, they are called named Ultra Marines.
@@mersinaryboy I think the guy from boltgun can take down all of chaos lol.
Space marines don’t even survive their own setting. In one short story a guardsman placed 3 ravenguards in check mate with a grenade trap and pitfall. Guardsmen have killed space marines, sororitas slay space marines, basic genestealers overwhelm and kill terminators. Space marines aren’t nearly as tough as Spartans, let alone Guardians
I remember someone putting as they have higher highs but lower lows than Spartans. Also apparently Spartans can lift slightly more than SMs so I'd say those two are more even than people think
@@offsetcircle1903 Spartans have a physical and mental reaction speed of 5 milliseconds without their helmets on while space marines, with their armor on, have a reason speed of 15 milliseconds. Given the speed of a boltgun's projectile, Spartans would see the bullets coming and dodge out of the way. Spartans also have A.I integration in their suits, its how they can hyjack anything. Realistically speaking, a spartan could just hack a space marine's armor at a distance...which has been done many times before. I can even list some novels if you want. Now if it is John 117 with CORTANA in his suit? Anything that has a machine spirit from guns to planetary defenses are now owned by the Spartan.
The realm of the chaos gods would make an INCREDIBLE raid. I think Destiny with more grimdark would be incredible. Both franchises would benefit from incorporating awesome aspects of the other.
Humanity’s reduced down to a single city and surrounded by an entire universe of horrors that hate them personally
It’s already pretty grimdark for your average person
Funny thing, destiny lore-wise has alot of grimdark but because of the games age rating we never get to actually experience any of it
You had me at "they turn gods into guns" for the gaurdians
clearly you have not read anything from 40k where the grey go unarmed into the lateral hell for training and come back. the only thing the guardians have over the space marines is the ability to not die.
@@igbinosunericthey can die, it's just temporary.
@@beepbeep9967 semi immortal if the ghost is gone
@@fernosbonos5394If.
@@igbinosunericthis spave marines vs guardians not grey knights vs guardians, theyre not the same
The literal war or to say it better..the "hunt" against the Ahmkara can make you realize how guardians can adapt to anything
Specially if you tell us (Guardians) that oui will get Tons of LOOT!!
Everyone gangsta till guardians start turning Librarians into weapons.
Hey, what'd they do, organize books?
I think the reason why we all agree that the Guardians win is that:
1. What they lack in raw power they make up for in diversity, there isn't a baseline Guardian the same way there is a baseline Space Marine because the Guardians fill a niche in order to win fights, picking specific loadouts depending on what they're fighting.
2. When you're fighting a Guardian you're not fighting the person with a gun, you're trying to kill a floating eyeball that can blip in and out of reality with their immortal body guard. If you don't kill the Ghost it's only a matter of time before you lose.
3. On an Individual level The Guardians have more ways of killing a Space Marine, whether it's through the divine gifts given to them when being made into the soldiers of The Light or weaponry made from Gods (I know that comparing the "Gods" of Destiny to the Gods of Warhammer isn't a 1 to 1 example but its the principle that counts) these compared to a standard issue bolter or rifle that a space marine would have.
All of this said i would love to see what these two groups would look like working together.
Something to note is that guardians aren't super soldiers technically, by all means they are gods. And not in the same aspect as primarchs are seen as the sons of God in 40k, no they are all literal walking gods.
My favorite lore moment is still that time where a titan punched a mountain and made it move.
So you saying I can turn a guardian into an exotic
@@lachydragneel pretty sure that’s already happening in the lore of destiny
@@flyntnock7945yes, that’s what the Xenophage is
@@lachydragneelisn’t that what Thorn is fueled by?
@@dannyyoroi1955 not exactly.
The Thorn is made out by Hive Magic.
A Real Hand Cannon fused with a Hive Bone.
What the Thorn does is drain The Light of other Lightbearers, is not made out of Light.
In any case that would be Lumina which is the opposite to the Thorn.
"hopefully equal distribution of hunters, warlocks and titans.
Meanwhile, me, only warlock with 5 hunters
And you're running Well. Lmao. 😂😂
Born to Nova Forced to Well
that's better when i, a titan main, run with 4 other titans and a hunter in a raid
Most of the player base are hunters warlocks are the smallest portion of the playerbase
@Freedm762 everytime I'm in a raid I get three titans and another hunter besides myself and or a warlock
As a Warlock main and a Grey Knight player I would agree really the only two factions that could stand up to a standard guardian would be Grey Knights or Custodes but that is a standard guardian. If you count in any of the legendary guardians none of the Imperium really stands a chance. Ana Bray’s golden gun shots left light wells in pure darkness for hundreds of years Saint-14 is the boogie man for three species and as you said guardians are known for killing gods then bringing them back just so they can kill them again for fun. Then you forgot about certain lore entries where guardians were dissatisfied with their weapons so they harnessed a weapon to shoot black holes just for a laugh, read Graviton Lance’s lore tab. With the flexibility of the guardians I honestly don’t think Space Marines would have a chance.
But also gotta consider a single psyker, not even the strongest psyker, can take over an entire planet with just a thought.
The god emperor made the entirety of humanity kneel with a single word, including other psykers and considering the grey knights are amongst the strongest of psykers, they could probably bend all of humanity including the guardians
Ikora Rey simply existing: :)
Tf a space marine doing against my nova bomb 💀
A month old but, something that was overlooked was just how powerful the taken and vex are, both of which were done dirty in Lore. The vex have complete control over time and and reality, often rewriting the very rules of reality (in a localized instance) to suit their needs. This is only beaten by Guardians and powerful Hive being paracausal and thus unable to be properly simulated against.
The taken work in a similar manner, stealing anyone and bringing them to a pocket dimension where they are corrupted, either through breaking their will or physically and mentally changing them to suit the needs of the taken. Time flows differently within that dimension as well, where someone could be taken and spit back out seconds later, only for them to have spent millenia within the taken realm.
Also, guardians only have cooldowns on their supers for game balance reasons, as there are several lore entries of guardians casting multiple and even different supers back to back repeatedly. Another fact that may or may not be canon anymore is that it is heavily implied that supers are often toned down versions of their true potential as things like Nova Bombs can easily destroy a planet if given enough power and the individual guardian willed it.
Point being Destiny has some absolutely wacko shit happening, even by 40K standards. 40K has numbers and some genuinely impressive feats, but while 40k would put up a good fight, I think unless the Warp or any other faction has counters to paracausal weapons, powers and characters. Destiny as a universe wins against 40k.
Though it would be fun to have a 40K raid boss vs some named space marines or a chapter master.
I now want a WH40K raid boss. I want to fight a Chaos God.
Facts. They need them in cutscenes and I’m game but the grimor cards have some crazy feats for guardians. Also vex solo wh40k (along with hive/taken potentially)
Yeah, put a room of Space Marines up against Ikora Rey, a 5th Sigma Class Guardian, and she’ll look at them and say “I’m not stuck in here with you, you’re stuck in here with me.”
Ikora literally used two nova-bombs back to back in the Red War, used a Nova Bomb and then followed it immediately with a Nova Warp, and used a Nova Bomb and immediately followed it with Chaos Reach. She’s been recorded in the lore as being in the “Upper 99th Percentile” of guardians that had their power assessed, something only 10 other guardians have ever done, and making her one of the most powerful guardians to have ever existed.
You put a Space Marine up against that and they’re toast. There is no competition.
@@theallsight7076 Guardians would take one look at Khorne and be like "OOOH you'd make a shiny new sword"
I think Celestial night hawk has cayde saying he can't use his super again since he just used it on the fallen outside a cave
Edit not night hawk but some hunter exotic has that
A fireteam of gaurdians equipped with the rat king sneaking around and trolling the space marines sounds like a fun time XD
NAH imagine 1000 rat kings stacked 💀
Alpha Legion moment
1000000 rat kings💀
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this essentially the equivalent of The Doom Slayer vs. the player character from Terraria.
One kills godly creatures because he has to.
The other one just kills gods for cool loot.
There’s a lore tab that says there are still huge pools of Light from where Ana Bray’s Golden Gun shots landed during the battle of the Twilight Gap, which happened hundreds (if not thousands) of years before the start of the first game.
Something to keep in mind is ghosts make new guardians via the dead, and that ain’t picky with the species (hive for example) so theoretically, a marine could become a guardian and fight for the light as 95% of guardians have their memory wiped upon becoming one.
Edit: some things I was corrected on/ things suggested.
1. Guardians do not keep their memory at all, some of them just find out who they were. Notable examples include, Anna Bray and Savathun.
2. We can go further with the corpses. Primarchs are 1000% available, Malcadore, Big E if he actually dies, custodians, xenos like the Eldar, Orks, and so many more I’m probably forgetting right now. It can get so bad that marines might have to do another go around to get the bodies and burn them. Don’t forget hive cities becoming a threat and a guardian breeding ground.
Even that 5% does raise the possibility of the psycho indoctrination resurfacing in a small extent... Potentially causing complications.
This is also an incredible idea.
Maybe...but I doubt because space marines recover their dead, so to retrieve the gene seed. So if a ghost somehow got a space marine as a host... 1) nerfed marine [space marine with gene seed and wielding light would be a slightly powerful custodi...maybe primarch) and 2) that ghost is going to be captured and toyed by the mechanicus because that ghost has to infiltrate a dreadnought or chapter frigate
@@ryanmann9842 they can’t capture a ghost. Ghosts can disappear into the immaterial.
I agree with you that if it did happen a Revived Space Marine would probably instantly get in a fight with his brothers who came to get the body.
@Buster-McTunder hold on there. If ghost operates quantum or paracausally...I would likely guess that the ghost would just switch between the warp or physical worlds. Jesus christ...imagine all the guardians ghost running for their lives from either space marine bolters or chaos marine/daemon charges
Only conditional if both universes are equally converged into one...then would their be chaos guardians?
Tbh, if you’d include the gods a Guardian has killed, Aetheon, Crota, Oryx, SIVA, Ghaul, Calus, Pantheon, Xol, Nokris, the Scorn Barons, Riven of a Thousand Voices, Ghalran, Sanctified Mind, Taniks (THE REVIVING RAT), Savathûn, Rhulk, Nezerec and (soon) the Witness, things would get pretty unfair
(edit) holy shit, 214 likes? This.. might be my must liked comment ever, thank you lot really ^^
You mean panoptes?
@@leschroder7773 yeah, that vex boss, I forgot it's name
Not to mention we haven't seen any actual vex "gods" aetheon was the equivalent to a construction Forman the wyverns are the only military units we've seen soooo it could get really crazy when we shift back to the vex
you forgot the Undying Mind and a lot of other vex. and all of the other children of Oryx
@@poseidenforceccj2528 ah, thanks for reminding me!
Laughs in sunbracers as the guardian turns the battlefield into a hellish landscape
In the end, i still think the guardians would take the win. In lore, the guardians are ridiculously overpowered. In lore the enemies they fight are ridiculously over power. The only reason we beat Rhulk was because he didnt take it seriously until it was to late. The guardians are out there ending bloodlines and turning them into guns. And then there are all those "solo flawless" guardians out there. Its a bit stacked on the guardian side. Plus we got Shaxx. Nothing can stop that glorious man.
Ikors can stop Shaxx
Crota lore wise opened a Grand Canyon on the lunar surface with a swing of his sword. Guardians every week gather beneath his ball sack, whip out their blades and cut him to ribbons for loot in a matter of minutes lol.
And he killed a 1,000 Guardians, just as an entire Space Marine Chapter like Nothing, but 6 Elite Guardians came back and kick his Ass and cut him into pieces with his Own sword.
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918 lore wise all the raids are soloed as the guardian is every single player in lore
@@razesamiel4278 which mean, 1 Well trained and Skilled Guardian = 1000 Of our brothers and sisters.
I can't wait to Kick Xivu's Ass and turn her into another Weapon to Fight the Witness.
Btw, Lore line from Osiris
A level 1 guardian is on the same level as a max level guardian. It's all about knowledge and skill.
And loot.
Our hot wheels Walmart Jesus Rylee reloaded has beaten several campaigns with just white gear so I don't even think loot matters just knowledge on how to use it tbh
@@flagondragon1854 wait, don't you need high enough light lvls to even do damage to higher level enemies? And isn't it impossible to upgrade white gear?
@@Matthew_Y yes but he's done it
@@Matthew_Yyea but gameplay and lore/dialogue from characters tend to differ a lot
Space Marines: we will destroy you!
Guardians: but we dont want to fight. the Iron Banner just started.
Space Marines: youre just afraid of our awesome guns
Guardians: ...your awesome what wuzzit?...
The thing about Guardian's is the paracausal factor, the light inherrantly breaks the rules of the universe and allows the guardians to basically have a type advantage against all causal foes. The only way any enemy can match the guardians are if they are paracausal themselves, or have some kind of way to supress the giardian's paracausality like the Red Legion.
A causal foe, no matter how advanced or strong, simply cannot win because they're bound by the rules of the causal universe.
Wae Ning moved a mountain with a single punch and got obliterrated by Crota along with a thousand others, only to be brought down by six present-day guardians, just demonstrating the potentual for exponentual growth in power thanks to our guardians.
There's also the matter of weapon lore in destiny, there's a rocket launcher called Deathbringer that has the lore of literally just commanding anyone hit by it to die, and they will, no ammount of armour makes any difference. It's imbued with the power of a hive deathsong that will kill anything that can hear it,we don't know if it has an upper limit, but it's safe to assume that a causal entity could not resist.
Destiny's lore is kind of broken because of the gameplay, which treats kinetic weapons and causal foes the same as paracausal weapons and foes, when really in the lore, nothing causal should even be a factor at this point.
Bare in mind that six guardians were able to bring down a god whom had set millions of worlds at minimum to the torch and was capeable of ripping powerful Cabal akin to the imperium out of reality and turning them into his mindless minions without any effort whatsoever.
Savathûn was also able to use the light to completely depower a superweapon that could split suns in half, and one guardian killed her.
I'm not very familiar with 40k, but I just don't see how any force could match the guardian's with all their paracausal power, from what you said it seems like their main magic is psychic, so kind of like the Psions, who have never been a match for Guardians even at their strongest.
I feel like putting them up against the Cabal or Vex would be a fairer comparrison, since the Eliksni wouldn't stand a chance and the Hive are also paracausal, at least for their leadership.
You guys need to know that humans in Destiny arnt standard humans. They were enhanced by the traveler. Triple lifespan, robust lungs(just look at where they settle in the golden age), enhanced strength.
Idk about enhanced strenght but the rest is true. Amanda Holliday looked like 25-35, but she was arround 80-90 when she died, and her shotgun, which has absolutely no magic enhancement, took out an average guardian with one bullet.
Destiny average weaponry may be way better than it looks. Hand cannons are the size of your forearm and are used as a revolver
@@diegocj02I keep forgetting about the life span being tripled
@@diegocj02 I mean considering it knows when it gets a kill and gets stronger after said kill, I don't think its a normal weapon lol
@@diegocj02SHE WAS A GRANNY ????? I REALLY DIDNT KNOW THAT
@@diegocj02 I mean, she casually uses thay shotgun which, realistically, would have a hell of a kick with ease, so strength enhancement isn't out of the question. Also, engineers usually get optical implants that let them weld without a welding hood to shield their eyes.
i listened and then remembered that Shaxx, forced a hive ghost to respawn a hive god, just to kill her… over, and over…and over again.
Just a quick correction, that was Saint-14 actually! :)
@@glovedgamer4982 you’re absolutely right, Saint-14 did it in response to Osiris’ manipulation from Savathun. i stand corrected.
@@quenny ah don't worry, happens to the best of us!
Did he get the roll he wanted though?
@@Variable-2-actualLAMO!
Space marne: i punched a hole in an enemy hah!
Wei Ning: *Moves a mountain with a punch" hah cute
The Marines fight to win, The Guardians fight to Save Humanity
Also as shown with Caydes death, killing Guardians just makes the remaining ones REALLY MAD
Imperium: *Ships that could destroy solar systems*
Traveler: That's cute
The thing is the traveler is benevolent If the mechanicus found her It could potentially start up a second golden age
@spartanx9293 Honestly if the Traveler showed up during the unification wars the Mechanicus would look more like a more organized and industrial Vanguard from Destiny, and technology equalling their DAoT.
Slannesh: And your cute too...
@XSilver_WaterX Not really the God's can only affect his surroundings, the ONLY one who can affect him is the Darkness as they are 2 sides of the same coin. So, at best, Slaanesh can move him, but at that point, she just placed a very missed Emperor level god in the warp with her, who is willing to vaporize people for interrupting his nap. So yeah, Slaanesh has essentially placed herself before a loaded gun at that point that is capable of killing her as the Traveler ignores cause and effect.
@@Mike-bf2bethe Traveler is always referred to as a she when gendered pronouns are used, but yes, the Traveler is paracausal, that's the whole thing is the Traveler and whatever being it is/is behind it is at least 5th dimensional
One thing to mention is that Guardians are nerfed in the game, when in reality, if you take them from the lore, Guardians have no limits on how much they can use their powers so long as they have access to the light or darkness. Not to mention, they can learn from death, they get stronger by gaining wisdom from the "ultimate sacrifice". There's also the fact that Guardians do try diplomacy, so, for example, they'd strike an alliance with the Tau or the Orkz and gain access to technology far superior to whatever the Imperium has. Assuming that Ghosts are able to survive and resurrect their Guardians each time they get taken down, while it'd take a while, Guardians have the win. I mean, everything we've seen in Destiny, is guardians just following the status quo, and using their abilities in moderation, and that's by design.
I feel like one could say that every Guardian, is on a power level just shy of a Chaos God who cannot per permanently killed unless you have a weapon that directly uses the power of the Warp.
And the reason I respond after so long is that Bungie confirmed relatively recently that the number of Guardians in the game is approximately how many players there are, excluding named characters,,,
So that's a lot of near Chaos God level threats.
@@StoirmAstrayBasically, if all the Guardians from the Vanguard and those groups of exiled/rebel Guardians Unite against 2 or More space Marine Chapters........that ain't a war, that is Massacre.
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918 yeah, for the Chapter xD
@@StoirmAstray Exactly 🤣🤣🤣
Ork tech is NOT superior to Imperium Tech at all... The only reason it works in the first place is because of the Ork's collective world-bending beliefs... Otherwise, their Tech are heaps of scrap that not even The Fallen would find a use in... And they find a use for EVERYTHING.
Merging the universes might immediately make all the 40kers instantly get erased from existence by the Vex
How? (I'm curious)
@xx_gamer_xx8315 The vex erased the sun for the earth exclusively for 3 months. They can warp reality and re-wright history on a whim. And are like a race of reverse flashes, they suffer no consequences for messing with time. They choose to make you no longer exist and your not being protected by a chaos god or destiny's traveler then you cease to exist period. No one would remember that you ever were a thing and thebtinline wouldn't change.
@@xx_gamer_xx8315 That's an exaggeration. They take their time. And they have all of it.
Vex are plankton that work together like a supercomputer. Terraform planets (and stars). make wormholes from anything. Learn and use every new causal ability they come across, they make infinite simulations to predict the future. *And they can bring those simulations in the real universe*.
Case in point, Quria: Afew centuries inside a Hive God's throne world, and it was already reshaping it. The god's children and court were fighting a losing battle. Now the god turned it into a soulless lave with a clench of his fist... but after seeing it project a simulation of him. After bing enslaved, quria managed to perfect that simulation and gain its signature ability.
A regular vex mind would scan one psyker, process for a second or so, and be able to replicate (simulate and project) his abilities. Give the Vex a few billion years, and they'll perfect a simulation to erase all factions from 40k.
But they will carve massive amount of territory conventionally, first.
@xx_gamer_xx8315 the vex have finished physics, the oracles are heavily implied to measure the entire universe at once, down to the level of Planck length and time. There is literally nothing about the universe they don't know and can rewrite all timelines simultaneously. The might part of the statement is how the vex would handle the warp, as the vex have trouble with things that don't obey the laws of the universe.
The Imperium's finest soldiers watching this random blue robot guy stand back up after being literally torn in half and say "I could do this all day" as he imbues his revolver with the power of an actual star:
Titans can move mountains, beat 800 pound space rhinoes to death with a few punches, have superhuman reflexes, and can manipulate probabiliy to make bullets they fire hit harder, and bullets that hit them not exist. That is all before supers. I am a fan of the lore of both 40k and Destiny, but a titan would wreak a space marine, hell even multiple, with some effort.
And then you bring space magic and then the ghosts become sludge
@@stephen19590 Aside from their Psykers, does the Imperium dabble much in space magic?
Because the Guardians have dealt with Psions, which are essentially an entire race of psykers that have far more control of their abilities than most Terran Psykers, to the point where the most powerful psions, the flayers, can have the power to move entire moons. And even with regular Psions present, the Cabal tend to resort to orbital and artillery strikes to try to kill Ghosts, implying it takes far more firepower than their standard infantry can muster to kill a Ghost-and their slug rifles are at least in the ballpark to a Bolter.
So a standard Space Marine probably can't kill a Ghost, meaning the Guardian is just going to keep getting back up.
And sure, if it stayed as a long-range gun fight, the SM could probably last a good while against the average Guardian.
But then they suddenly lob a grenade and he's frozen in place at absolute-zero, or suspended in the air by strings of psionic energy, or void energy is trying to atomize him, or solar energy is threatening to cause him to combust from the inside out, or his body is being wracked with a shitload of magical lightning.
Or they whip out one of the 100+ exotic weapons, many of which don't particularly care about how thick your armor is, and blow holes the size of dinner plates through him.
Or they equip a sword and block most of his shots as they approach on foot.
Yes, the SM's are faster, their guns hit VERY hard and they'd probably win a fistfight(unless the Guardian had a melee ability up), but the Guardians are implacable and relentless. And if there's a FIRETEAM of Guardians? Forget about it. They're gonna be doing an impromptu dance party over the probably-mostly-atomized corpses of a dozen or so SM's after a couple minutes.
@@perrycarters3113 the codex astartes list some universal spells that any space marine chapter can use but there are spells exclusive to some chapters the imperium also houses psykers of various power levels with the most power being alpha plus level An Alpha Plus grade psyker, however, is a being of almost grotesque power. They are described as being able to "turn a man inside-out with a glance," "snap a Battle titan in half with a flick of the wrist," and "a muttered syllable can turn an army upon itself in a frenzy of blood lust." They are capable of destroying entire worlds -- sometimes unintentionally. From the wiki then there is the pariahs or psychic blanks who are immune/destroy warp magic from just them being in the vicinity with psykers describing being in the presence of a blank being excruciatingly painful this pain being even more unbearable the more powerful the psyker is or the more psychically inclined/sensitive a species is with the eldar describing them as pure evil
@@perrycarters3113 oh I refer to space magic as the warp stuff
@@perrycarters3113 but there are chaos space marines that can mutate and deform, let's not forget the fact that they wouldn't have a means to travel between worlds but that's not what's being debated. The average power sword cuts on a molecular level, with force weapons of psykers basically going "die forever" then you have the vindicare assassins with anti shield rounds.
Psykers can reshape reality if they choose. From crushing rocks with a hand gesture to stabbing, sucking them mutilating someone's mind. I don't know how far the ghosts regen goes. But a literal stealing of "shit 2k years of service and my capacity to think with words are gone" like guardians are defenders of humanity...but in 40k there's way worse than the darkness, just ask the Tyranids who would eat the body of a guardian or even a potential ghost and suddenly you have any guardian monsters. Then you have the necrons one of which will just kidnap a ghost and guardian.forever.
Then you have Orks...which would give the guardians an equally eternal fight just from numbers...
Tldr...they might beat space marines, they won't beat the universe they are from
Tell them the Emperor gives them the most OP gun in the game and they will raze.
The Guardians win against all chapters. The Titan Behemoth super is said to have enough force to shatter a planet. The Hunter tether literally is a black hole. The Warlock Kamehameha is literally lightning of the universe.
And the strand is literally the connections of everything to exist and live and the Guardians casually weild it like a game controller.
Guardians: Zavalr, why are we kill Space Marines?
Zavalr: *Holds out a shiny loot table*
Guardians: Hold my beer
Also according to lore guardians can chain supers for as long as they need just nerfed In game to make it playable
Lore guardians can also use abilities and super from any class or subclass at any time. (As long as they leaned it)
In lore, the classes are more about their roles than their abilities
@@Jet-ij9zcyes! It’s like martial arts. The longer the time spent on it, the stronger it is.
@Jet-ij9zc And that's been a consistent thing for a very long time, too. Literally the first mission we play in D2, we see Cayde using blink on the Gunslinger Hunter. Something only he could do.
well, not quite, just the more powerful ones. the Guardian(who we play as) is so powerful in the lore, we can alter reality to our benefit with barely any effort required. and btw, gameplay strand is very different than lore strand. all the gameplay stuff is there, except unravel actually just does that, and the guardian can reform anything into anything else iirc
The chaos crucible matches are the closest thing we have to lore accurate abilities and its not even 100% close since it still has 30 seconds to 2 minutes of cooldown
If the imperium ever found the guardians I honestly think they would do pretty much anything in their power to appease them just to get them on their side. Because they just found a world of basically humans with millions of people who on average are more powerful than a space marine, can resurrect on death and can use chaos-free psyker powers. Honestly, the biggest hangup for the imperium would probably be the exos, although if they are properly explained those might even be a non-issue.
But they have a non-Emperor God
@@Buster-McTunder last time I checked the guardians don't actually worship the traveler. They view it as a protector and savior of humanity, but they don't view it as their God.
It depends. Some do, others don't. But either way it definitely acts as a God-like figure for the non-Guardian figures. It's changed since the Speaker saw the Traveler as a type of deity, but with his death I'm unsure how many other Guardians remain in his way of thinking. But I'll give you that like the Promethean Cult or the Mechanicus it might just be good enough to pass, or they could be good enough allies better alive than dead. The Awoken Guardians would have to go moreso than Exos though. @@deadsignal7723
@@Buster-McTunder I think they would have more of an issue with the Exo because they're sentient machines and the imperium says that's a no-go. They might still be human passing because their AI is based off a human consciousness but I'm not sure how the imperium views that. As for the awoken, unless I mistaken the imperium would just view them as different colored humans. The mutations of the awoken are tame by imperium standards, and even if they don't like the awoken, It's not going to be a deal breaker for them when they're getting basically immortal super solder wizards out of the deal.
@Buster-McTunder there's not really much they can do against the Traveler as any assault against it would make it Alt+Dlt a fleet from existence, no destruction or anything just straight up delete them. Oh gods you say? Step in the darkness the literal embodiment of evil and destruction of reality. The Traveler could view the Chaos gods as pathetic copies of the Witness as they're too chicken shit to enter reality and fight themselves, and it would probably view the Emperor as a shittier copy of themselves and would probably make an extremely violent point.
Imagine a marine finally taking a titan down just to turn around and the titan sits up like the undertaker.
If a guardian was given a bolter they would immediately dismantle it for glimmer and legendary shards then proceeded to pull out their gun they made from the remains of a god
The real ace of the guardians is their *Paracausality* ...
Why mess with a "fate" that the warp can screw with, when they make their own on demand?
Not even Primarchs can do that easily!
I could see every Titan player having the time of their lives fighting Khorne and his demons
*Cackles in Titan main*
*Cackles in Berserker Main*
Crayons 4 life my guy
Consume a twelve pack of crayons and turn myself into an ICBM
Best part is, only a few of them would actually be angry so Khorne wouldn't even get anything out of it.
@@jadedsilverlining9427 True, Titan's would be laughing and having the time of their lives.
The fact alone that guardians can shape reality, causality, space and time, and fate itself shows how unbeatable they are. They are practically Demi Chaos Gods themselves just a lot easier to kill if you get the ghost. But as far as their offensive power goes, they literally break reality if they are losing.
Short answer, yes. Long answer: in the lore a Striker Titan’s punch has the same kinetic energy as a nuke, a basic Voidwalker Warlock can summon a black hole like it’s nothing, and a basic Gunslinger Hunter can summon pistols made of actual star fire. Don’t get me wrong, I love warhammer and space marines, but guardians consistently kill beings that defy logic and power as a concept. Oryx had the ability to manipulate souls and control entire races at a whim because he was the strongest by his own definition, and due to that he was. Nezarec is quite literally the God of Pain. Savathûn can warp reality at will like it’s nothing. Crota is the most powerful son of Oryx, capable of taking in entire legions. And the guardians clapped ALL of them. Hell, there’s a lore book where Saint-14, a Sentinel Titan, killed Savathûn, the Hive Goddess of Trickery, a minimum of 10 times by himself. I say minimum because that’s the amount confirmed. After those initial ten the book says “after a long time had passed, Saint was done.” Dude found a God, killed her a minimum of ten times, then said “Ok you have my permission to leave.” The Ahamkhara are so powerful they can grant wishes and persist after death. And guardians kill and WEAR THEM. One of my Warlock builds literally has me wearing an ahamkhara’s spine as GLOVES. Those are frickin DRAGONS. Again, don’t get me wrong, space marines are tough bastards. I’ve been playing warhammer for years, and I’m a massive fan of the lore. But if you drop an unsupervised raid team into the warhammer universe, that tyranid threat that no one can stop? Yeah that’ll be gone in three days, tops. They’ll hear “incredible odds, impossible obstacles” and they’ll just think, “Oh so we’re just doing Kings Fall again?” Space marines are cool, and space marines are strong, but they can’t even hold a candle to guardians.
I would imagine that if a guardian picks up a bolter , because it’s soo old and outdated in their eyes it would be Akin to white tier guns , but be so powerful at killing space marines they would still use it and infuse it to max light level anyways just for the fun of it
Na skyburner basically a bolter
@@hellblaze10 eyyy i see youre profile picture is of Chichol from Mabi, how fitting then my profile is Morrighan.
super rare to find fellow players from Mabinogi.
Half of the weapons in Destiny (and the exotics) are old weapons refurbished bro what are you talking about?
"cool skyburner ornament, did you get it from tess?"
Cabal slug rifles are pretty much equivalent to bolters. So, not bad but not great either.
Warp: "let's mess with their future and shit"
Guardian: *Literal volatile rage* "GOD DAMN IT VEX, I'VE SHOWN YOU ONCE I WILL DO SO AGAIN" *Begins assaulting the warp and putting literal fear into chaos.*
So the Gaurdians get sent to the past, future, present, Alternate pasts, futures, presents, and then we go dimensional with a bit a flavoring of taking other parts of reality just to see how funny it can be.
@xermasboo5401 the fact is attempting to time travel a guardian is a great way for them to essentially scooby doo their way back to your capital and just icing leadership
@@Mike-bf2be The fact is the Warp loves to mess with any sort of manipulations. If it was still in the material world that is one thing, but the warp itself can throw anything done to it because it doesn't follow time like the material universe.
It follows concepts and conceptuals which means Time as a meaning is more of a conceptual like Death, Change, Lust, War, and such are conceptuals as well. War has more power than time in the Warp which means Khorne literally can sit and ignore because they are not even phasing him.
He is an entity that exists beyond the Traveler because the Traveler is still in the material universe. Same with the Darkness. In Fact, Even trying to fight him just makes him stronger, and has power over the gaurdians.
Unless it's Saint 14, then he'd headbutt into submission
@xermasboo5401 you do realize the Guardians and the Traveler are Paracasual like chaos, the fact is if the Traveler wanted to it could punch its way into the warp, absorb it and become the embodiment of chaos and order. The Darkness is the conceptual ending of reality and the Traveler repeatedly tells it to go take a hike, and Guardians constantly bend it to their will and bend fate to their will. The light let's them bend reality and concepts especially Warlocks who treat teleporting between dimensions as bloody hopscotch, or throw enough power around to divert the rotation of planets or crack moons. Plus the Guardians have fought hive gods, aka the Hive equals to chaos gods as they embody concepts. Xivu=Khorne, Savathun=Tzeentch. They already fight people equal to chaos gods and they turn parts of them into guns and armor.
If Space Marines had the tech for sealing the Traveler like Red Legion did in the Red War, they might have a very huge chance to defeat Guardians, unless there's a random "Chosen by the Light" Guardian with their massive armor plot to gain back their power from Shards of the Traveler. Other than that, Traveler is in dormant right now since the Witness entering it and Guardians still have their Light and Dark power no problem.
If 3 guardians could give a squad 0f 10 a run for their money 1,000,000 vs 1,000,000 would be a slaughter
Warlocks can literally open Black Holes and conjure small stars at a whim, a fairly average Titan was able to shake a mountain with a punch. To be blunt, while I love 40K and Space Marines, there isn't a single Space Marine or even Primarch alive in the 40K setting that could survive a round with a high tier Guardian. The player Guardians are on a similar power scale to a C'tan, and not a C'tan Shard, a full on C'tan, as in the Vow of the Disciple Raid, you're actually literally moving planets around with your power.
Stop the cap 😂
Wei Ning who I mentioned in the video, is not an average Titan.
@@Buster-McTunder he absolutely is when compared to Shaxx, Zavala, Saint-14 or the player Titan. He isn't a top tier, and he wasn't strong enough to contend with Crota, literally one of the earliest threats the player Guardian dealt with in their journey.
@@Jenn-lq9yu Crota who was incredibly weaker by the time he re awakened and we fought him, no? As far as I was aware that’s what had happened.
Also comparing them to the top 3-4 titans and calling that average among hundreds of thousands is a bit disingenuous to me.
@@oklart377 Please, give an example of Primarchs pulling of some of the feats Guardians have. Guardians have killed multiple gods and beings that control time. Plus, Atheon, the Vex that could control time, wasn't even Paracausal.
This first minute and a half is a perfect encapsulation of Destiny lore.
I say guardians not because I have 3000 hours in destiny 2, but because the unpredictability of the guardians is too much. The vex for example, they’re like a mathematically perfect species but don’t know how to deal with us because of our light and paracausality. Granted though, the vex have barely tried with us, they’re sending their building and construction type soldiers not really taking us seriously yet.
If you understand the concept of paracausality you already know that there are not many things/beings in the 40k universe that could threat guardians.
Chaos gods, big E, eldar gods, ctan, maybe greater demons, maybe alpha psykers (those last two are big maybe). I think that's about it.
Anything else it doesn't matter if you have 10 or a septillion. They can't kill a guardian, only buy time.
The chaos gods are the only ones that could be a threat and still get turned into guns eventually
@@cheetahofthewind13 True lol, just imagine a nurgel gun (more like a weapon of sorrow skin)
The lore implies that Guardians are well above humans, main problem is that we have no clear and consistent example of how superhuman Guardians are supposed to be.
I'm pretty sure Bungie has implied the Average Guardian be on par with a Spartan, before adding space magic, but yeah they do vary wildly in power
Pff, an astarte would fart a guardian to death.
@oklart377
To be fair we have to use the highest powered interpretation of each side.
Only the space marine librarians would be a significant threat to Guardians.
I assume a generally enhanced physiology, though it's hard to gauge exact numbers cuz we don't really see Guardians getting into athletic competitions with regular humans.
However:
During the Red War, a Lightless Zavala is easily pinned down by a standard Cabal Legionnaire during the attack on the Last City.
With the Light, an average Titan can kill several Cabal Legionnaires at once with a melee ability, or kill them in 1-2 punches without using their ability.
Lord Saladin also regularly uses his greataxe to kill elite Cabal warriors in Rites of Proving with virtually no effort, to the point where he's probably second only to Caiatl herself in terms of command authority.
Those aren't hard numbers, but it demonstrates a significant leap in physical capabilities, even without directly wielding the Light.
Now, I don't expect the average Guardian is gonna be arm-wrestling a Space Marine in their armor. Titans MAYBE could, because they're crazy strong brick shithouses, but I'd still give the edge in raw physical prowess to Space Marines.
However, every single individual Guardian can wield the Light(and Darkness)in ways that would make most psykers from 40k VERY envious.
And since psionics exist in Destiny and is an entirely distinct capability from the Light or Darkness, then it follows that psykers cannot interfere with or suppress a Guardian's abilities, at least not without somehow learning to wield/manipulate Light and Darkness themselves.
That said, psykers could potentially be taught to wield Strand, as it is a power that is based on psychic energies, in the event that some Guardians go rogue and try to defect to the Imperium. This COULD allow enough psykers or strong enough psykers to emulate Darkness Zones, limiting the speed with which a Ghost can revive its Guardian, giving them enough time to destroy the Ghost(without paracausal powers or specific technology, Ghosts are VERY tough to kill)
The biggest advantage the Imperium has is their ships; the Guardians simply do not have anything to match their naval capabilities. They are an army of essentially extremely high end special-ops soldiers. In 90% of grounded engagements, I imagine the Guardians would rip through most groups of Space Marines with relative ease. Some of them might go down as the battle goes on, but they get back up more surely than Necrons.
And god forbid the poor Space Marines engage a Fireteam that has their Supers up.
Now, the Custodes vs the Guardians? THAT would be one hell of a fight. I imagine that'd be at least like a strike boss kinda fight for the Guardians.
Cool. They are in their ranks so? Yes, a fart. Even Sly Marbo would take down a guardian.@@Metaphysicist
Gotta give it to the Guardians honestly. One guardian on a lowball might as well be the match of a grey-knight, and on a highball could stand up to a primarch, and win.
All of them wield god-like weapons and power that can wipeout swathes of foes. If they do die, well their built in respawn system is something that would make even the Eldar and the Necrons jealous.
5:48 physics may not be our friends but we find the stupidest ways to die for fun, intentionally hurt ourselves to increase our damage a few percent, push each other to our deaths because its funny, as you said turn literal Gods into guns to kill each other and other Gods in increasing stupid and funny ways, and some will even intentionally use the worst gear possible just for a challenge, and more lol
Guardians will drive races to extinction for a slightly nicer gun and dying is just like falling on their ass,they just get up and kill some gods.
Honestly, Richard from Gumball can solo anything just by getting a job
richard is an entirely different entity altogether 😂, he might as well be akin to golb from adventure time, a being that’s literally chaos incarnate
The Guardians canonically soloed Rhulk, but I'm biased and as the say goes
"it's my fanfic so whoever I want wins"
There was once a warlock who was surrounded by countless enemies. In a desperate attempt to destroy them all he used a titans super ability called Fist of Havoc. It instantly eviscerated the entire planet leaving none of it behind. That guardian is considered a nobody when compared to bigger names like Osiris, Saint-14, Ikora, and most of all our own character. Saint-14 recently went up to a God and commanded said God be resurrected each time he killed her so he can kill her again. He killed this God countless times. Idk much about the Space Marines but I very much doubt they could survive a battle with Saint. Saint also killed thousands of sentient cum jars piloting robot mechsuits with only his bare hands. Our guardian is still considered to be stronger.
guardians have a really good gun that literally beats anything the space marines have, it's the graviton lance, it shoots bullet sized black holes meaning a space marines armor is absolutely useless against it.
and while it's a good gun the graviton lance doesn't even really hit that hard comparatively
also don't they canonically have certain exotic guns just widespread, like it's a sort of brand name item. Aside from of Red Death, of course. I feel like it was that or an exotic armour
@@huhreally5771most exotics are rarely produced by the different brands and quite expensive. It's comparable to a nice car. You see it quite often but not every day.
Also you can forge your own exotics. So a few are available to all. Or have been only produced once like the thorn for example.
@@huhreally5771 IIRC exotics can range from "SUROS/Veist etc. has made the Ferrari of guns" to "I have taken the soul of a God and infused it into my gun" with a lot in between. They're less 'the most powerful weapons' and more unique curios and oddities that stick out from your Honda Accord garden variety gear.
@@kiwi3085 As it turns out, I was remembering Geomag Stabilizers, talked about in the Zeroneiro Shell lore from Season of the Splicer, as being something you can get "secondhand from the market without much (effort)". Coincidentally, it's about a guardian interpreting what Mithrax told him about directing the light as meaning he should be able to turn a pair of random old boots into a pair of exotic boots.
So I moreso meant it like that. That exotics are sometimes just really widespread, albeit powerful items, not always the unique marvels like graviton(though that could be one of them). But everyone in this thread already restated that 👍
Guardians: First of all the sheer determination to kill you can give a guardian by telling them they can get a bolter, or turn the mariners into a gun is insane. Second, guardians (maybe not canonically) can well and shatterskate giving them the speed advantage. Third, a Orpheus rig hunter, Phoenix protocol warlock, a banner of war titan, and a dream can annihilate pretty much anything.
A final note on the exotics that's just for guardians that aren't nearly as close to strength as a certain warlock vanguard throwing nova bombs and nova warps back to back
Pretty much everything guardians can do is canon, it's canon that the craftening happened, guardians in game are not at canonical strength, hell some guardians in bits of lore use light when their ghost is dead, some of them can warp and use light in any way they wish just nigh of creation, several guardians in lore can use a golden gun for hours, some warlocks use nova warps that have the power to destroy planets, hell a single gaurdian could take out legions of enemies, and exotic weapons like graviton lance wipe fields of spacemarines easy
@@cheetahofthewind13 I totally forgot that has been cutscenes of ikora using Nova and then using chaos Reach back to back
@@EtherealKiri not to mention if we bring the Traveller into this we all get near infinite ability energy including supers, we do this early enough we have a lot of pre nerf builds, late enough and we have prismatic. In the words of, probably, the Traveller "You will end them"
@@EtherealKiri true, I just figured the super regen exotics are used for less experienced guardians, or those that just aren't as powerful as others.
Hell lets not forget the lote entry where a ghost casted a super for their guardian because their light was stronger then the guardian.
The spacemarines are easily cooked by anything in the destiny universe that use paracasual abilities, but they're also like the cabal in a way so at least they're going to put up a fight
Guardians one shot. Simply because of Paracausaulity.
Outside of a Darknes Zone you need a Paracausaul weapon to destroy the Ghost.
There are examples of this:
During a cutscene in Season of the chosen a Psion used light supression tech to depower Zavala. Now bare in mind that this happens outside of a Darkness zone so if Ghosts can get destroyed by any weapon no matter where you are why did the Psion use Light supression tech on Zavala's ghost instead of just shooting it?
Its simple really. You NEED Paracausaul weapons or power to destroy a Ghost outside of a Darkness zone.
Now before any of you say well Ada killed Gaurdians with Izinagi Burden and yes she did but guess what? Izinagi Burden is a part of Golden age tech , tech granted by the light making it a Paracausaul weapon.
Furtger proof that you need Paracausaul weapon or power to destroy a Ghost:
This was said by a Bungie Dev on Twitter:
in a darkness zone, any kind of gun-scorn, fallen, hive, etc.- can be deadly. but, in places where the light can reach, you need something paracausal.
The most important question is whether or not the space marines would be able to reach earth, because if they could force the guardians to protect the civilians that would give them a huge edge. But more importantly, whether or not the space marines could destroy the traveller, or contain it like the Cabal did
The answer is yes.
Cabal are very similar in size and strength to space marines, and my light filled bullets blow theough em.
Will a gaurdian die to a squad? Yes! Will they come back to life and nuke those boys? Also yes!
In the event of an alliance, the Imperium would be able to benefit greatly from live fire exercises with Guardians as OpFor due to that immortality. It would probably good training for dealing with chaos insurgencies.
Orks especially would appreciate having an enemy that can come right back to fight more after getting krumped.
Imagine the orks get resurrected by ghosts because they believe they can
@@dravendarkplays9607Oh fuck. We got another savathun situation
@@dravendarkplays9607 Orky boyz are about the only faction in 40k I legit think has a chance to defeat the Vanguard in all honesty. You get a massive enough Waaagh going and a belief they can smash Ghosts like grapes because they're so small comparatively and you might have a war of attrition the Guardians could potentially lose.
@@dravendarkplays9607oh god no. That would be another savathun situation.
@@bz3854or go the other way around. Orks see guardians that just don't die, start believing they can't die, and end up empowering them even more.
Hell, let's go full ork. The orks see them wearing a full green armor, think they're also orks because they're strong and violent, and all of a sudden you have a guardian-ork alliance creating the biggest Waagh in existance.
Saint-14’s story with the fallen is a good way to look at them attacking without remorse. He looked and acted like a demon spawned only to impale you on his chest or split your head open which his crest.
You forgot about exotics, in world there’s nothing stopping you from equipping all the exotics at the same time. and then there’s also the fact that space Marines like having their old tech, what’s stopping the average guardian or even the ghosts from hacking them and shutting all of the space marines down.
There’s also the fact that the sisters of silence exist. they’re there because custodies and Marines aren’t the best at handling magic.
Like what’s a marine or custodies gonna do against a golden gun suite business or a gun that shoots black holes or a gun that shoots Siva or just a giant boulder sized black hole.