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  • Let's rewrite the Buu Saga by getting rid of Super Saiyan 3!
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    Today, I ask a fundamentally different question. What if Super Saiyan 3 didn’t exist at all within the series? Now I understand that some of you may see this question and think to moments of Goku or Gotenks needing it at certain points in the Arc so I will say here - this is a rewrite. While normal What Ifs seek to change one part of a story in order to answer what would happen with one small change - this is seeking to change the story at multiple points to improve characters and their interactions in a way I personally prefer. The goal of this rewrite is to show that Super Saiyan 3 isn’t required to hit the important story beats of the Buu Arc, while also removing any character destruction found within the original story. Let me know how or if YOU would change the Buu Arc in the comment section down below.
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  • @yvngn1ng3n14
    @yvngn1ng3n14 4 года назад +143

    While I'm indifferent towards Super Saiyan 3, this was a really good argument that proved the form didn't need to exist. You should do more of these specific types of What Ifs. Awesome video.

    • @cardboard_hat
      @cardboard_hat 3 года назад +9

      Ssj3 not existing makes goku a better character

  • @samueljackson5436
    @samueljackson5436 4 года назад +131

    so in this rewrite Super Saiyan 2 is more like Perfected Super Saiyan or could be called Super Saiyan grade 5?

    • @willwill6707
      @willwill6707 4 года назад +12

      Perfected super saiyan is Super saiyan. But it could probably be called Grade 5. Only one thing it Super saiyan is a 50x power multiplier and super saiyan 2 should be 100x so not really but if ya wana call it that sure.

    • @priestesslucy3299
      @priestesslucy3299 4 года назад +25

      SS2 was originally called Super Saiyan Grade 5 in the guide books.
      Goku only named SSJ2 in the Buu Saga during that conversation with Babidi

    • @kingkurok3149
      @kingkurok3149 4 года назад +5

      Yeh, ssj2 is the penultimate version of the original ssj we saw on Namek

    • @magentapurpleyap5566
      @magentapurpleyap5566 3 года назад

      Complete ssj or advanced ssj

    • @Animefan_7153-0
      @Animefan_7153-0 3 года назад +2

      @@priestesslucy3299 I thought it was originally called ascended super saiyan

  • @bluetenit695
    @bluetenit695 4 года назад +247

    Carthu: "This is a REWRITE"
    Fans: Don't realize that this is a rewrite
    Carthu: *TRIGGERED*

    • @Sixx_Aize
      @Sixx_Aize 3 года назад +6

      @thunder key
      It's understandable, People don't seem to understand that The Heart Virus Isn't a Yardrat disease and Keep Telling Carthu about It coming from Yardrat.

    • @emperortoho
      @emperortoho Год назад +2

      @@Sixx_Aize yeah unless the heart virus had a REALLY long incubation time it wouldn’t make sense(and still would be very unfeasible) for goku to somehow have just spread the virus across the planet since it was a large enough issue for a cure to have to be developed

  • @CarthusDojo
    @CarthusDojo  4 года назад +45

    *** THIS VIDEO IS A ***REWRITE*** SO POWERSCALING & MORE ARE CHANGED FOR THE SAKE OF IMPROVING THE STORY! KEEP THIS IN MIND BEFORE COMMENTING ***
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    • @Sultan-qk3od
      @Sultan-qk3od 4 года назад +1

      Can't wait

    • @DizzyRL
      @DizzyRL 4 года назад +1

      Oh so are you making the video?

    • @ArceusBowser212
      @ArceusBowser212 4 года назад +1

      Does that mean that Vegeta won't become Majin?

    • @SuperSaiyan2Ethan
      @SuperSaiyan2Ethan 4 года назад +3

      Carthu I respect your opinion. However even though I do like Super Saiyan 3 as it does felt like a true evolution to Super Saiyan 2. I like it how it can be useful in certain situations and to further evolve Super Saiyan 2. Personally my least favorite form that sucks in my opinion is Super Saiyan Grade 3 because of how slow and useless it is unless you are able to stack something like Kaioken to make it faster but like Goku said its a real drag of stamina. Anyway overall I respect your opinion on Super Saiyan 3. Even though I like it and some others do, not everyone likes everything. Also What IF Goku Showed Super Saiyan 3 from the start when he is fighting Majin Vegeta. I know that it would most like be the same as your what if Goku used Super Saiyan 3 against Majin Vegeta but I would like to see what Vegeta's reaction would be if instead of Goku Stopping at Super Saiyan 2 he continues and transforms into Super Saiyan 3.

    • @learnphysicseasy6375
      @learnphysicseasy6375 4 года назад

      See super Saiyan 3 was important to show goku's will to improve and reach new levels and it is what made Vegeta realise that why Goku is way better than him I don't specificly love ssj3 but I love how Goku always trys to improve and reach an higher level and then find faults in that and go even higher who all agree like who all disagree comment why?

  • @joseloyo6933
    @joseloyo6933 4 года назад +84

    Love the rewrite, the only thing I think would be different, would be Goku’s power at the beginning. Since he didn’t have SSJ 3 he would have trained more instead on wasting time on finding a new form and mastering it. So I think Goku would have been somewhat stronger in this SSJ 2 than the original.

    • @unfunnyman5371
      @unfunnyman5371 2 года назад +2

      why train when you can just go sit and do nothing for a hour or so then get strong as shit

    • @ma_junia
      @ma_junia 2 года назад +10

      I think he mastered 2 way more than you think. 3 was basically an unfinished experiment

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +2

      @@ma_junia yeah, Like I think he mastered it to the point were it basically consumes no energy and is kinda like ssj grade 4, maximizing its power and speed without any energy loss.

    • @Eric6761
      @Eric6761 2 года назад +2

      @@ProjektTaku maybe Super Saiyan 2 kaioken x4 which is basicaly same level

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +1

      @@Eric6761 yeah, but that's more unstable. 3 is draining, but it won't kill him.

  • @ojpickle5923
    @ojpickle5923 4 года назад +218

    What if the z fighters never stopped going and training to win the world tournament every 3 years

    • @Yen-wm8iv
      @Yen-wm8iv 4 года назад +4

      It would be interesting

    • @TGFlashera
      @TGFlashera 4 года назад +5

      Everyone dies, the end

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 4 года назад +5

      @@TGFlashera how?

    • @TGFlashera
      @TGFlashera 4 года назад +3

      @@ojpickle5923 They wouldn't be strong enough to beat King Piccolo

    • @Sun-cg6lv
      @Sun-cg6lv 4 года назад +5

      Flashera what are you talking about the story would be the same up until Raditz

  • @user-rg7mv9yo7b
    @user-rg7mv9yo7b 4 года назад +20

    Did anyone remember Kaioken? I'm pretty sure he could also stack it with SSJ2 as he did stack it with MSSJ before in the afterlife tournament. He could try using it as a final trump card.

    • @onyxt3589
      @onyxt3589 4 года назад

      Or maybe, He could still use it alive with grade 4 ssj because of the elimination of stamin consumption.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +2

      he could use it with ssj since he has complete emotional control in that form and stamina control.

    • @DjTeeray
      @DjTeeray 9 месяцев назад

      well that's assuming if he ever trained for that purpose but what we saw in the filler was only a 2x stack, but we never saw a glimpse of it outside of filler so he definitely never trained with it in canon meaning he would most likely die trying to use it, especially if trying while in SS2

    • @ma_junia
      @ma_junia 7 месяцев назад

      For balancing reasons, it should be extremely limited. To the point where he wouldn't be able to do consecutive bursts like he did in the Saiyan and Namek sagas without risking outright dropping dead from exhaustion immediately

    • @ikarus4570
      @ikarus4570 5 месяцев назад

      the thing is, working with multipliers is... tough, to say the least. ssj is a 50x base multiplier and ssj2 is 100x base. a simple kaioken x2 is enough to evicerate anything with a 200x base multiplier, needless to say a x10 or x20 kaioken. so i guess we'll have to stick with "goku's body wouldnt handle the pressure" (even though it most likely would)

  • @mizuguy4025
    @mizuguy4025 4 года назад +145

    Carthu: What if Super Saiyan 3 doesn't exist
    Goku to everyone: Bye guys see you when you dead

    • @ImJsB1
      @ImJsB1 4 года назад +5

      @Bruh Eek school is closed who cares

    • @Ayaan...h
      @Ayaan...h 4 года назад +1

      @Bruh Eek yes it is corona are u dumb

    • @isaiahdelbridge7902
      @isaiahdelbridge7902 4 года назад +1

      Bruh Eek who asked you to dump on his English?

    • @royalblodline9847
      @royalblodline9847 4 года назад +1

      @Bruh Eek thats not something to be proud of. what country?

    • @biorythm470l3
      @biorythm470l3 4 года назад +1

      @Bruh Eek I guess you're school is stupid I guess

  • @cheeseracs4477
    @cheeseracs4477 4 года назад +66

    Ultimate gohan: be like nah I’m going to handle it carthu:it’s a rewrite you might not be in it Ultimate gohan: Nani!

  • @Sean-rv5yp
    @Sean-rv5yp 4 года назад +28

    Dude I thought this was a what if where Goten trunks and piccolo were stuck in the hyperbolic time chamber

  • @chiaoutzu7732
    @chiaoutzu7732 4 года назад +27

    You should do videos of how you’d rewrite the dbz/dbs arcs in the future!

  • @adamumahmud9433
    @adamumahmud9433 4 года назад +22

    Would you consider re-writing the entire buu arc i think it would be awesome

  • @octoguy3931
    @octoguy3931 4 года назад +18

    You should do more Rewrite What if's

  • @Real_Dog_Enthusiast
    @Real_Dog_Enthusiast 4 года назад +42

    I actually really enjoyed that. Your reasoning behind why this continuity is more in line with the characters and the message the arc is relaying really made sense. When watching the cannon arc you really do have this lingering thought of "why didn't ssj3 Goku (or gotenks for that matter) kill buu instead of toying with him." and the only real reason is plot convenience. Allowing the fighting and story to move on why giving the fans Goku's next evolution of ssj cementing him as the strongest. imo the would've been way more of a compelling and exciting story to watch unfold due to the fact that no one person was ever really stronger than buu and just chose to "let the next generation take care of it". Good video

  • @FunniBone12
    @FunniBone12 4 года назад +16

    Gohan *Catches Baseball*
    Gohan Again: *Misses Earing*
    Goku: ...................

  • @FLAMEandICE_
    @FLAMEandICE_ 4 года назад +6

    Ok, u got me Carthu. This WAS interesting. I great way to better tell the story of Dragonball Final Chapters. You did good Carthu, you did good

  • @kats6994
    @kats6994 4 года назад +31

    Gohan didn’t mess around because of a power drunken state, he had a moment to feel the faint presence of everyone inside buu, which is exactly why Super Vegito did not eradicate Buu in a second. Also with Kid Buu being = to Fat Buu, all they had to do was bring Gotenks and Gohan into the battle since either of them should be superior to Kid Buu

    • @raikaru0
      @raikaru0 4 года назад +7

      Kid Buu was equal to Fat Buu in the original. SSJ3 Goku was able to fight him equally until he ran out of energy. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu even in base

    • @kats6994
      @kats6994 4 года назад +9

      ​@@raikaru0 which adds to the already stacked list of issues with the Buu arc, if Kid Buu = Fat Buu, Gohan > Kid Buu easily. Therefore the whole spirit bomb thing was pointless because they could've just brought Gohan and Gotenks over like Goku suggested. Not to mention that Kid Buu was clearly not taking Goku seriously in that "equal" fight.
      There's also the fact that Kid Buu is hyped as the strongest foe in future materials when recapping the events of DBZ.

    • @raikaru0
      @raikaru0 4 года назад +4

      Kats The only reason Kid Buu was dangerous was because he had no sense of reason unlike every other villain. He had no reason to be evil other than it being his nature. He couldn’t be reasoned with

    • @kats6994
      @kats6994 4 года назад +2

      @@raikaru0 that means nothing to what I said, being dangerous doesn't mean Gohan or Gotenks can't easily deal with it.

    • @raikaru0
      @raikaru0 4 года назад +6

      Kats They could’ve. The only reason they didn’t was because of plot

  • @ashuraomega1000
    @ashuraomega1000 4 месяца назад +1

    11:19 actually it can be argued that because of the power input of ssj3 Goku attempting to defeat Buu in their first confrontation would've either led to Goku using all of his energy and being sent back to the afterlife, or his body wearing down which would lead to him depowering himself out of ssj3, so when you think about it no 1 man in the entire Arc truly had the chance to defeat Buu. Although this excuse probably wasn't intentional by Toriyama so any counter arguments are still reasonable

  • @jordandavilabrown294
    @jordandavilabrown294 4 года назад +21

    What if "Dragon ball super" started after the end of "Dragon ball z"?
    Any thoughts on it?

    • @brycemammoa2019
      @brycemammoa2019 4 года назад +1

      Well it pretty much did

    • @espresso387
      @espresso387 4 года назад +1

      I feel like they would be a better match for beerus have an extra 7 years To train it would be gt power levels with supers arcs and story’s

    • @thegreatgmantheguy
      @thegreatgmantheguy 4 года назад

      What is Super started AFTER GT (With goku being wished back to an adult)

    • @LiveLife91
      @LiveLife91 4 года назад

      @@brycemammoa2019 lmao yea it did, it started AFTER Dragaon Ball Z was finished
      But didn't really fit in like the ending of DBZ pan was 4 as of DBS Pan was 1yr old
      But yes it did start after DBZ if you get what I mean (well it surely didn't start before DBZ, so yes it did start after DBZ)

    • @MasterGaming-ve4gz
      @MasterGaming-ve4gz 4 года назад +3

      @A B I think he means what if it after the ending of dbz where goku trains uub .

  • @Sarriuz
    @Sarriuz 4 года назад +49

    And this is now what I will consider cannon when enjoying the series because literally nothing changed. If anything this version is more believable.

    • @danielgonzalez-vm5lj
      @danielgonzalez-vm5lj Год назад

      Exactly besides the Hildegard movie which is not canon literally NOTHING changes from here on in super
      Even the janemba movie is also unchanged

  • @adamwade6243
    @adamwade6243 4 года назад +9

    If Son Goku and Gotenks never would have achieved their Super Saiyan 3 forms, then Son Goku and Gotenks instead would have focused on powering up their Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 forms as much as possible through mastering their Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 forms to their highest possible point.
    Which would have meant that Son Goku and Gotenks would have been much stronger than their canon incarnations, as Son Goku would have used his very own even further mastered form of Super Saiyan to have confronted and defeated Majin Yakon with absolutely no issue at all. Son Goku in his Full Power Super Saiyan form would have intimidated Majin Vegeta enough to have forced Majin Vegeta to have gone all-out as a Super Saiyan 2, but Full Power Super Saiyan Son Goku would have been able to defeat Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta after such a long and hard fought battle that would have been much more intense than the very exact same one that Super Saiyan 2 Son Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta would have had in the canon timeline. But Son Goku would have needed to use Full Power Super Saiyan 2 in order to have helped Super Saiyan 2 Son Gohan and Shin to defeat Majin Buu. With only a part of Majin Buu being able to survive and regenerate after most of his original self would have been destroyed by Full Power Super Saiyan 2 Son Goku.
    Which would have lead to the birth of a new incarnation of Majin Buu who would have been the result of only a very small remnant of the original Majin Buu's psyche surviving the destruction of most of the original Majin Buu's very own being. But only for this new form of Majin Buu to have met his end at the hands of Full Power Super Saiyan 2 Son Goku. Or by the hands of Full Power Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks, if Son Goku would have went out of his way like how he did in canon to have tried to have the younger generation be the ones who would take care of the threat to the Earth.
    But Son Goku would not only have kept Vegeta in line throughout the rest of the Majin Buu Saga, but Son Goku also would have stepped in if it had been necessary for him to do so, as Son Goku's Full Power Super Saiyan and Full Power Super Saiyan 2 forms would have been nowhere near as draining to him as an unmastered Super Saiyan 3 had been for him in the original canon because of Full Power Super Saiyan and Full Power Super Saiyan 2 would have drained little to no energy whatsoever out of Son Goku when Son Goku would have needed to access and maintain those said beyond mastered forms of Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2.

  • @thelastarcadegamer6655
    @thelastarcadegamer6655 4 года назад +9

    I feel like, with 1 and 2, ssj 3 could be mastered to minimize stamina drain. It would just take a long time to master it because of all the power

    • @jshaw3793
      @jshaw3793 4 года назад +2

      Hyperbolic time chamber lol

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +1

      Since super saiyan blue in the manga can be perfected to not lose stamina drain by drawing in all the ki and not letting it out, could the same be applied to ssj3?
      Drawing in all the energy so none is wasted, powering up the form, however it could lead to terrible results if not properly focused.

    • @thecyberrabbit1440
      @thecyberrabbit1440 10 месяцев назад

      @@ProjektTakuI’m pretty sure that would make it a God form, which would probably have so much power that the user’s body would just explode

  • @xenolegenddbz2424
    @xenolegenddbz2424 4 года назад +3

    This rewrite is better!! I wish that this was actually the OG Version!!!

  • @amazingallen3701
    @amazingallen3701 4 года назад +4

    This is a great rewrite. It doesn't make Goku look bad and even Gohan was better than original. Now, if only Super was also rewritten; maybe Goku would not be so dumb.

  • @CJ-D-GOAT
    @CJ-D-GOAT 4 года назад +18

    Super saiyan 2 would have been mastered, and p rfected. Kinda like ssj being the power of ssj3 in Super.

  • @bandzseason8591
    @bandzseason8591 4 года назад +13

    Carthu: “This is a rewrite.”
    Fans: “Understood.”
    Cathyu: “Wait. That’s illegal.”

  • @RealSteveStevenson
    @RealSteveStevenson 4 года назад +8

    I like the ssj3 transformation scenes, but that's about it. I love super and the transformations are kinda cool, but for me, plain old ssj and ssj2 are my shit.

  • @AhmedHussain-ju6xd
    @AhmedHussain-ju6xd 4 месяца назад +1

    A FIGHT WITH GOKU FIGHTING FOR THE NEXT GENERATION WITH ALL THE TRICKS IN HIS ARSENAL WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE.

  • @kingkurok3149
    @kingkurok3149 4 года назад +5

    This was a great video Carthu
    Hey maybe someday you can do a rewrite for GT 😂

    • @bosskiller9348
      @bosskiller9348 3 года назад

      Broku72 already did that but its not complete, im interesed about carthu dojo's version

    • @JogVodka
      @JogVodka 2 месяца назад

      Carthu doesn't seem to be interested in non-canon stuff. He recently did a marathon of GT but it was for a GT story recap video

  • @daniyalsiddiqui6617
    @daniyalsiddiqui6617 4 года назад +6

    What if gohan went super sayain early

  • @anthonyhulk06
    @anthonyhulk06 4 года назад +51

    Fun fact: toriyama’s favorite super saiyan form is super saiyan 3

    • @c0rrupt3d_g0d2
      @c0rrupt3d_g0d2 4 года назад +11

      Akira never said SSJ3 was his favorite form, the fact is that SSJ3's original design had a tail

    • @anthonyhulk06
      @anthonyhulk06 4 года назад +7

      Ultra Instinct Animations oh, well I heard that online

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  4 года назад +45

      Anthonyhulk06 that’s not true lol. He actually directly says he doesn’t want Super Saiyan 2 & 3 in the series after BoG - calling those forms “powered up Super Saiyan”.

    • @GenEric1305
      @GenEric1305 4 года назад +7

      Well, you can’t believe EVERYTHING you see online, Anthonyhulk06

    • @66ixty9ine
      @66ixty9ine 4 года назад +2

      @Zakaria Mohamoud no u

  • @Void23321
    @Void23321 4 года назад +2

    Hey Carthu, go sign up for a writer job at Toei

  • @brycemammoa2019
    @brycemammoa2019 4 года назад +13

    Do "What If Vegeta Got Ultra Instinct"
    "What If Goku Got Blue Evo Early"
    "What If Vegeta Didn't Sacrifice Himself" "What If Vegeta Didn't Let Cell Be Perfect"
    "What If Goku And Vegeta Fused In The TOP"
    And "What If Goku Got His Potential Unleashed"
    Like This If You Agree Carthu
    And Piccolo Is Gohan's Father You Need To Watch More DBZ

    • @khiaalexander3062
      @khiaalexander3062 4 года назад +1

      joseph parra Goku never got blue evolution at all

    • @brycemammoa2019
      @brycemammoa2019 4 года назад

      @@khiaalexander3062 oh sorry i meant "What if goku GOT Blue evo"

    • @brycemammoa2019
      @brycemammoa2019 4 года назад

      @@khiaalexander3062 also he will one day trust me

    • @Hungry_Hangry
      @Hungry_Hangry 4 года назад

      @@brycemammoa2019 He doesn't need it.

    • @brycemammoa2019
      @brycemammoa2019 4 года назад

      @@Hungry_Hangry Yeah true but gohan was able to do pretty good against ssb goku and goku can add the kaioken and other skills on top of forms so he could probably use kaioken and potential unleashed because potential unleashed is such a boost to the strength of the body so yea it would be pretty useful

  • @quote1207
    @quote1207 2 года назад +3

    Huh.
    I had really no opinion towards Super Saiyan 3 before this, but, yeah. Makes sense.

  • @Emperor-Z
    @Emperor-Z 4 года назад +8

    Goku: Wait how long has it been since I've used ssj3
    Ssj3: uhhhhh
    Carthu: *AN IDEA HAS BEEN BORN*

  • @endergames7934
    @endergames7934 4 года назад +4

    Don’t tell me we pulling a Vegeta and we’re skipping to Ssgssj to beat blue because I think that would make the Goku/Vegeta/Gohan too O.P.

    • @cheeseracs4477
      @cheeseracs4477 4 года назад +1

      Nani what is ssgssj

    • @kartikadewi3270
      @kartikadewi3270 4 года назад

      @@cheeseracs4477 Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan the original name of "Super saiyan blue"

  • @fang8726
    @fang8726 4 года назад +6

    Another Fantastic What-if, I every much so agree with your take on the matter! I hope we can get more rewrites in the future!

  • @Trap5656
    @Trap5656 4 года назад +2

    I like the What if rewrite. This could lead to What if Gohan became the SSG instead of Goku?

  • @TuskActMinus1
    @TuskActMinus1 4 года назад +3

    Super saiyan 3 is just Gotenks's base form at this point.

  • @crimsonking4151
    @crimsonking4151 2 года назад +2

    SSJ3 is worthless it’s never won a fight against anyone.

  • @Bobsonset
    @Bobsonset 4 года назад +3

    You mentioned defusing without waiting out the timer, but if Goku would have known that, wouldn't he have done that in the Broly movie?

  • @nora-yc6fi
    @nora-yc6fi Год назад +1

    Edit: didn't realize this was a 3 YO video, I'll leave this comment up but yeah, sorry.
    I do personally like ssj3, the design being so wild is sumn I really enjoy. However I feel it's very obvious asj3 was not planned and was put in there seemingly randomly. Goku talks about how he's gonna go all put against vegeta but doesn't use ssj3 as it didn't exist, then when vegeta brings that up he makes a weak excuse saying he didn't wanna hurt vegeta's feelings which only makes Goku look bad on some Super level "I wanted to enjoy the fight and didn't care about the consequences" type vibes
    If ssj3 was gonna exist it would have had to be concieved of at the start and planned around, maybe goku goes ssj3 against vegeta but the sudden energy increase brings buu out earlier, idk.
    My biggest issue with the buu saga is honestly Gohan, between him being shafted and his ultimate (disappointment) form. Real tired of them making Gohan constantly stuck in his cell saga character of getting mad, and then getting drunk on his power. Did Goku's sacrifice teach him nothing? Seems the writers think so.
    Good rewrite, really makes Buu feel more of a threat since in cannon almost every notable fight he had he was either weaker than his opponent or on par with them

  • @leviplaysmemes5675
    @leviplaysmemes5675 4 года назад +2

    Thumbnail: what if ssj3 didnt exist
    Me: casual stop watchin db

  • @Jumanji089
    @Jumanji089 6 месяцев назад +1

    I don't think you're accounting for the passage of time in this. For one, it took trunks far more time to find the dragon radar so a ss2 goku vs majin buu would be imminent and furthermore. Majin Buu's power grew the more time passes so he'd be stronger than when he first fought majin vegeta putting Goku at a disadvantage. Secondly, gohan probably wouldn't have unlocked his ultimate form since goku took part in gohan's training for that small moment which led to the breaking of the sword. Many things would've been shaken up in this story.

  • @blueflamekaiser2884
    @blueflamekaiser2884 3 года назад +1

    If toriyama never get the idea of ssj3 they don't even need to struggle drawing the form because ssj3 has long hair and it is so difficult to draw

  • @ItsGyroFr
    @ItsGyroFr 2 года назад +1

    0:47 I mean u can’t really blame the transformation it’s the character that didn’t use it

  • @f-zilla7347
    @f-zilla7347 5 месяцев назад +1

    Super Saiyan 3 should’ve been unlocked IN the Buu Saga, that way we keep it but Goku doesn’t look like a liar.

  • @Staro69
    @Staro69 4 года назад +1

    tbh i just like the looks of SSJ3, it just looks cool

  • @zeeshanzaidi8161
    @zeeshanzaidi8161 4 года назад +4

    Can u do : what if goku got the heart virus in dbs

  • @Venator2015
    @Venator2015 4 месяца назад

    There is objectively nothing wrong with introducing a new super Saiyan form, the biggest flaw was the fact that the eyebrows went away in the characters all looked freaky as hell when they went into this form. Imagine if Naruto lost his whiskers when he powered up that would be awful.

  • @Random-xy5vf
    @Random-xy5vf 4 года назад +1

    I swear the fan stories are much better than the actual show

  • @shanasinsiderumble8834
    @shanasinsiderumble8834 4 года назад +2

    Ssj 3 Gotenks was barely stronger than Super Buu in the original meaning ssj2 would be nothing compared to Buu
    Why would Gohan be more serious in this what if compared to the original??

  • @MonkeBrain07
    @MonkeBrain07 4 года назад +1

    I actually like Super Saiyan 3 ON GOTENKS. I hate the fact that Goku gets this form because it makes him a liar and a reckless bastard.

  • @abdullahemad154
    @abdullahemad154 4 года назад +4

    Why would he call this a “what if” it is totally a rewrite I mean come on Carthu

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  4 года назад +10

      1) It is a What If as the major change is what it hinges on
      2) It says Rewrite in the title, description, AND early on in the video Chief.

    • @abdullahemad154
      @abdullahemad154 4 года назад +1

      Carthu’s Dojo r/wooosh

    • @Bradgito
      @Bradgito 4 года назад +1

      @@abdullahemad154 oh bruh🤣🤣

  • @pikagammerpluspizza7478
    @pikagammerpluspizza7478 4 года назад +2

    But what would be the real potential of the next generation, if Goku & Vegeta didn't come back?
    Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Videl, Uub, Good Buu... and maybe Bra, Pan & Marron but that would probably be pushing it & most of them wouldn't be anywhere strong enough to deal with the threats of Super unless you wanted to write it in ways where they would end up winning. Which isn't Carthu's style of writing at all.
    But still an interesting time line to think of.

  • @TheStarman-9256
    @TheStarman-9256 Год назад

    Here’s something why happened if buu stopped goku from using the spirit bomb

  • @markdavey5027
    @markdavey5027 4 года назад

    If Super Saiyan 3 didn't exist, then Super Saiyan 4 would just be called Primal Super Saiyan, or something like that.

  • @zhengqu7898
    @zhengqu7898 4 года назад +1

    Well, I don’t think ssj 2 Gotenks can compare to super buu. SSJ 3 is 4 times stronger than SSJ 2. So SSJ 2 Gotenks and Piccolo are most likely stay in Hyperbolic time chamber forever.

  • @BradyNicholson-fs1wo
    @BradyNicholson-fs1wo 3 месяца назад

    Can anyone explain why no one tried to wish to kill buu or at least capture him when they used the wishes to bring everyone back?

  • @MrSa458
    @MrSa458 4 года назад +1

    I would change the buu arc I do think super Saiyan three is a waist of time but this is just my opinion

  • @SlickDraco
    @SlickDraco 4 года назад +1

    I'm going to come out and say it super Saiyan blue is a good transformation it was robbed of that awesomeness and I say the maga is doing a better job with super Saiyan blue

  • @Eric6761
    @Eric6761 2 года назад +2

    Instead of Goku fleeing maybe Super Saiyan 2 with kaioken would be good to show that Goku never forgot his this technique and foreshadow Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken from anime

    • @calvinkopp1735
      @calvinkopp1735 2 года назад +2

      That’d be possible since Goku’s still dead but he can’t stay in the mortal world very long. So he had to teach Fusion Dance on Piccolo, Goten and Trunks before he returns the afterlife.

    • @Eric6761
      @Eric6761 2 года назад +1

      @@calvinkopp1735 meaning the plot advances equal as the original

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI Год назад

      He could go Super Kaio-Ken x4 but maybe for a short bit, idk.

    • @Eric6761
      @Eric6761 Год назад

      @@75JUNAKI i mean 5 minutes in Dragon ball equates to 5 epidodes

  • @shayscruggs7829
    @shayscruggs7829 4 года назад

    I think super sayain 3 is somewhat needed since it does prove that their is more then the super sayain transformation that meets the eye showing that super sayain 2 which didn't have a name at the time was not the limit. Though as you mentioned it lacked buildup and it made it seem goku was lying. To fix this problem though instead of cutting super sayain 3 entirely I would have build up to goku hard work and strife to get that immense power. Super sayain 3 from the looks of it somewhat resembles a caveman which makes since the sayains are a very primal and ape like race and I would have explored that as well.
    As for personal preference goes super sayain 3 is alright it's not the best transformations by any means but I think it should be somewhat appreciated since did open the gates for future transformation to come like 4,god,and blue which are still fan favorites today,maybe not blue. Super sayain 3 did do its job well enough it got some pretty cool fights while it lasted and had a entertaining transformation scene,the stamina issues are a problem but hey at least it got some time to shine and is fondly remembered unlike trunks ultra super sayain which is mostly forgotten. I think cutting super sayain 3 entirely is somewhat of a disservice to the series but I'm probably the minority on that one

  • @angryboi595
    @angryboi595 4 года назад +1

    Oh don't worry super saiyan 2 vegito could woop kid buu so dont worry

  • @wat3rm3l0nx7
    @wat3rm3l0nx7 5 месяцев назад +1

    Yes but without ss3 we woukd have the vegeta im not him moment

  • @Porelorexeus
    @Porelorexeus 4 года назад +1

    Grade 2&3 = musle focus
    Super Saiyan 3/grade 6? = Energy Generation focus
    They're all too unbalanced and draining.
    Mastered Super Sayian and Super Saiyan 2 are better. Although which is better between them?

    • @cardboard_hat
      @cardboard_hat 3 года назад +1

      Ssj2 is a better form but ssj is more iconic

  • @metalanimations1261
    @metalanimations1261 4 года назад +2

    What if goku didn’t die in cell saga seams great!

  • @Just_That_Guy910
    @Just_That_Guy910 4 года назад +2

    You know this might sound crazy but I had literally thought of all of this in my head, with the exception of buff buu against gohan. So I searched on youtube and found this video!

  • @GHGAZK
    @GHGAZK 11 месяцев назад +1

    3 chances. He could have destroyed Kid buu with SSJ3 as well as the state.
    I know that Gohan fanboys dont accept, but SSJ3 is the strongest non fused in z, and the second is kid.

    • @BarbaricBoi
      @BarbaricBoi 10 месяцев назад

      Bruh the writer himself stated that Gohan was strongest unfused character in DBZ..what are you smoking? DRUGS??

  • @georgeharpen9354
    @georgeharpen9354 4 года назад

    Buu absorbs everyone or turns everyone into chocolate and the earth is barren

  • @plazmasix6694
    @plazmasix6694 4 года назад +2

    I have one Gripe about this and that is when he introduces super saiyan two gotenks. Since ss2 is weaker than 3 and ss3 gotenks was even with super buu, wouldn't a ss2 gotenks not be as good since they would alot weaker.

    • @theultimatememelord5494
      @theultimatememelord5494 3 года назад

      It's a rewrite.

    • @plazmasix6694
      @plazmasix6694 3 года назад

      @@theultimatememelord5494 so we're just going to have Super Buu be weaker just because it's convenient for the rewrite or we're just going to make a gotenks stronger. Thats just dumb

    • @plazmasix6694
      @plazmasix6694 3 года назад

      @@theultimatememelord5494 but thats just me as I actually like super saiyan three

    • @theultimatememelord5494
      @theultimatememelord5494 3 года назад

      @@plazmasix6694 That's cool, this isn't twitter.

    • @plazmasix6694
      @plazmasix6694 3 года назад

      @@theultimatememelord5494 yeah and? I'm just saying what problems I have with the rewrite and responding to you

  • @LygarZeroX
    @LygarZeroX 3 года назад +1

    the only good part of super saiyan 3 was goku's initial transformation where we see part of the great ape in his eye.

  • @titzmageex
    @titzmageex 4 года назад

    Didn't goku also milk the fight against kid buu so vegeta could get a try?

  • @Sandiramon
    @Sandiramon 4 года назад +1

    Hmmmm......interesting.
    You changed it from Kid Buu slightly overpowering SSJ3 Goku in the original story to Kid Buu slightly overpowering Both Goku and Vegeta in the rewrite.
    Two things though.
    1) I don't think Vegeta makes the speech in this because since they are both officially the same in power level, he still has a chance to surpass him. (Difference being Goku likes fighting more while Vegeta is more strategic.)
    2) Are you making the Gotenks fusion of SSJ2 as strong as 3 or weaker? If it's as strong, then nothing is needed, if it isnt, I don't think Ultimate Gohan struggles as much with Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed) as he did in the original story.
    Nice rewrite though.
    My change for the Buu arc?
    What if Goku got to save Gohan and Gotenks before the planet exploded?
    Have all 5 Sayians there to fight Kid Buu. I would have loved to see that.

  • @nicsmi6228
    @nicsmi6228 4 года назад +1

    I like ssj3 and I won’t lie....I’m a bit butt hurt

  • @dustipatzify
    @dustipatzify 3 года назад +1

    What if Goku kept tranforming in the buu saga? Like went to ssj1 then 2 then 3 BUT goes into 4 and stops at 5.

    • @bosskiller9348
      @bosskiller9348 3 года назад

      Goku need his tail to go ssj4 and ssj5 its too massive because of its power.

  • @emrylol
    @emrylol 4 года назад +2

    Dude, dragon ball legends is the backbone of this channel😂

  • @Iron_potato40k
    @Iron_potato40k 4 года назад +1

    If i changed the buu arc he fusion dance wouldnt exist, metamorean clothes are trash. Potara fusion would be permanent and it would be gohan that got ss3, not goku.
    Super begins with ss3 gohan and permanent vegito.

  • @asgeirfririksson2194
    @asgeirfririksson2194 4 года назад +3

    Commented just when it started

  • @devonstidham9234
    @devonstidham9234 4 года назад

    Good points all around 👍

  • @thiagocavendish2928
    @thiagocavendish2928 2 года назад +2

    Goku could use ssj 2 + kaioken x 20

    • @Eric6761
      @Eric6761 2 года назад +1

      Nah, x4 is enough

  • @ronelkurten
    @ronelkurten 4 года назад +1

    What if goku and raditz where adults before freiza destroyed planet vegeta

  • @mangospice4263
    @mangospice4263 4 года назад +1

    So it's what if Buu was cell but slightly better Regen?

  • @Nobody-bh4nr
    @Nobody-bh4nr 3 года назад +1

    What if ultimate or mystic or potential unleashed didnt exist. Sorry, Gohan!

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 3 года назад

      Then Gohan wouldn’t fight Boo, he doesn’t have enough power.
      Boo would defeat Gotenks, he would find candy to eat.
      Unless Elder Kaioshin give his life to Kakkarot, gave them the Potara Earrings and they both fuse into Kakkar-Han/Gokou-Han.
      Kakkar-Han/Gokou-Han would use instint-transmission (misspelling) and find Boo and defeat him.
      They’d go to New Planet Namek and asks for the DragonBall’s, rivive (misspelling) earth, everyone and they’d unfuse after an hour.
      Kakkarot & Gohan rejoin with everyone else, Vegeta is still gone and sent back to the check-in station (was it what it’s called?).
      SSjGod may not happen since there’s no Vegeta, the earth may be destroyed unless Whis searches for more Sayia-Jin’s in his staff and find’s Tarble or Super Broly.
      Let’s say Super Broly and then SSjGod Kakkarot is born.
      Fight is the same.
      Maybe Kakkarot comes in and is trained by Whis but wouldn’t get enough power due to not having a sparring partner but maybe Broly could be taken in and maybe Kakkarot could have even greater base power.
      The fight against Freeza would be easier for Kakkarot who’s trained with Broly, he’d be shot down, Freeza may destroy the earth unless Broly enrage of his friend being shot down and kills Freeza and his minions and Berrus knocks him out.
      U.6 vs U.7 Saga would have Broly in instead of Vegeta, Cabba vs Forst who’s easily eliminated due to Broly being told of him cheating.
      Broly loosing to Hit, similar to how Vegeta lost.
      Kakkarot Blue King-Kai Fist/ Kaio-Ken and maybe he’d win.
      Carthu’s version of Broly & Kakkarot on earth with the Kakkarot Black Saga (I think, minus Vegeta).
      T.O.P Saga with a stronger Kakkarot, Broly and everyone else take on other universes.
      Kakkarot get’s UI, defeats Jiren the same way with Freeza.
      Idk this is my opinion on how things go.

  • @RedShadowAMV
    @RedShadowAMV 4 года назад

    this *pleases me greatly* :]]

  • @RamielEdits
    @RamielEdits 4 года назад

    I would bring in gogeta very early into the story to fight against buu when he first awakened, have them defuse, then have the final explosion, i just feel like i would have loved this, and then when vegeto arrives we will know the difference between potara and dance.

    • @danielgonzalez-vm5lj
      @danielgonzalez-vm5lj Год назад

      There is no way ssi gogeta coudnt one shot fat buu
      Also when would goku and vegeta have the time to practice fusion

  • @luisbooty4345
    @luisbooty4345 4 года назад +1

    A big ‘plot hole’ is goku was trying to pass on the torch to the next generation thinking he wound not be revived

  • @crazeay3800
    @crazeay3800 4 года назад

    In defense of ssj 3 toryama was attempting anime suicide in the buu saga

  • @XNLiLGamerZXNLiLGamerZ
    @XNLiLGamerZXNLiLGamerZ 4 года назад

    Pls do a what if Gohan had Broly's latent abilities but have control on his rage.For example he would be born with a power level of 10,000 but control his rage unlike Broly.and maybe even have it to where Gohan would have legendary super sayin one and maybe two,unlikely three

  • @parkersmith7478
    @parkersmith7478 4 года назад +1

    Can you do a what if where Majin Buu kills Babidi right after being revived? Because I think that would have sone interesting implications.

  • @sheluvv_instant
    @sheluvv_instant 4 года назад +1

    What if Gotenks discovered Ssj3

  • @sauceydylan7818
    @sauceydylan7818 4 года назад

    Can you please do a mini what if about what if instead of using potara fusion to defeat buu they used the metamoran fusion technique

  • @thecyberrabbit1440
    @thecyberrabbit1440 10 месяцев назад

    Isn’t SSJ3 the only form that’s technically not natural?
    I remember hearing somewhere that Goku had to specifically create it himself
    Also I find it strange that Gohan, now being less arrogant, wouldn’t just blow Buu away to finish the battle immediately

  • @kavaki5552
    @kavaki5552 4 года назад +2

    *ssj3 fans like*

  • @vrzrea795
    @vrzrea795 2 года назад +1

    But but... But that was to go even further beyond!

  • @riftanime_
    @riftanime_ 4 года назад +1

    What if ssj3 was written, foreshadowed, and executed correctly like ssj1 & 2?

  • @raimabaga252
    @raimabaga252 4 года назад +1

    What if goku was born in the legendary super Saiyan !

  • @Scared2405
    @Scared2405 2 месяца назад

    Instead of Super Saiyan 3 we could of gotten Super Kaioken 1 and 2

  • @tacobeartaco7140
    @tacobeartaco7140 4 года назад

    HISHE: Majin Buu gets tired of everyone’s poop and turns all humans (animal-human spawn) into candy except for Hercule. Buy and Hercule start their own puppy sanctuary. Global warming doesn’t happen. Every dog lives happily ever after. Fin.

  • @mihir19agarwal
    @mihir19agarwal Год назад +1

    I was enjoying the story until it went the same boring ending with the spirit bomb, because if Kid Buu is the much weaker version of Buu(which he is in cannon as well), Gohan or Gotenks would've handled em with ease