$20,000 MISTAKE!!! Bad DIY Waterproofing Job on a Tiled Shower Pan
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- All too often homeowners don't take the proper steps when waterproofing their showers for tile installation. One missed step can lead to a catastrophic failure that requires the complete removal and replacement of the shower and plumbing.
Tile Redi pans eliminate the vulnerable failure points of other shower pan systems like Schluter Kerdi, RSS, Wedi, Hydroblock and Redgard. In those systems, the pan and wall connection is at or below the waterline of the shower and are often just connected in the field with sealant or thinset. Also, the drain is a separate piece and has to be secured to the pan with thinset or sealant. Installer error is common with these systems leading to catastrophic water and structural damage.
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***Update*** We are doing the full shower replacement starting Monday. I gave him $5000 off the price since he is letting us shoot video during the process. STAY TUNED!!!
I never thought id get into binge watching shower and bathroom teardown and repair videos, yet I think ive watched at least 30 to 40 hours of your videos now. Through lots of research and watching these videos, ive found what to avoid and what to do right with my bathroom im remodeling and currentlly completing the tiling for the shower I built. Love the content, Keep it up!
I call my wife in regularlly on these videos where you find the mastic and I start going off about how so many people use mastic in these videos and it drives me insane. The wealth of knowledge you provide is amazing.
Though I started using it on the advice from my father for severe elbow pain, glucosamine chondroitin with msm also relieved my lower back pain that I began having when I was about your age. Took about three weeks to build up in my system, but it worked so well that I now recommend it to all my friends. Wasn't the expensive stuff they advertise now, just a plain supplement from the 'superstore'. I'm now 62 and still working remodeling houses pain free.
Anyway, hope yours gets better and thanks for the great vids.
Cool, so he’s paying a fair price and you still get paid multiple ways from the project. Just be transparent, it’s obvious people think you are shower Jesus. Don’t abuse that by setting market prices for your industry
That is a really generous discount. 👍
I really appreciate how respectful you are. Poor guy had good intentions but just got in over his head. We’ve all been there!
People who put their mistakes out there like this deserve nothing but respect and commendation. It’s embarrassing for sure but it takes an impressive caliber of person to allow their mistakes to see the light of day like this.
Thank you homeowner for letting us DIY folks into your home.
not just DIY.. you must know SOMETHING the contractors will do a garbage job with the same results and charge you a lot of money.
Thanks to the homeowner for allowing the video.
With so many resources on shower remodels available on the internet for the past 10 years, yet we still get masterpieces like this 🤣
Mess-terpiece
Fucking unbelievable. I’m only 5 minutes in. 😂
What an absolute mess.
most people should not attempt to do it, even with DYI videos
In my experience remodeling my primary bathroom, it was not that I did not have the information to build a luxury shower but not having enough time to do it correctly.
Tile coach is a real master of the tile.
Good camera work, keep him.
He will get even better.
My son started with photography as a 16 year old.
Has worked professionally for decades.😊
Love to see the son helping out his old man. Get Buzz some more play!
Nobody wants to save that. You're a good person Issac. That's for sure.
I still watch your videos even after learning from you and remodeling our master bathroom from the ground up over a year ago. Keep up the great learning channel.
The home owner seems like a humble guy even though he’s well off. Hope he chooses you to fix the shower so we can see the repair and end result!
No, a humble guy doesn’t attempt to hack job a $10k shower in a $25k bathroom. They realize it’s out of their scope. To DIY this is a unique form of arrogance imo
@@zookini That is nowhere near the definition of being humble.
Brutal. Breathing in that mold and describing it. Haha. Isaac, you are doing us all a solid. Cheers brother.
I've followed your videos to the "T" and I'm about 1 weekend away from completion.....
I hope my OCD pays off....
I'm a sheet metal guy, but know plenty of other trades and know the what not to do's.
Issacs videos are the best on RUclips and all the products have worked exactly as he explains.
Kind of wish I was one of his employees....if I wasn't a tinner LOL
Buzz did great! Good commentary about the moldy frosted flakes scented pan
Nice guy! It's interesting how people have a go and it turns out that way. Massive respect for owning up to it. Mr Tile Coach well done for not making fun of him he had a go. I have seen many jobs with DIY 'ers and they would put some professionals to shame. This is not the case this time. Part of learning is to admit your work is wrong and let someone who knows what they are doing have a go and maybe learn from them.
I did mine myself, but I researched it for a year or so,
I'm a contractor in Utah we done a lot of tile jobs and this is the channel i need for a deeper understanding of how to tile a bathroom the correct way .Great coaching and great job thank you
Awesom video, and thank you Han for allowing the footage. Very very proactive video tile coach. I appreciate you
That ending brought so much light to my heart
Mastic mold is wild. I've ran into it a few times and damn, what a stench. I'm pretty confident you personally could cut that clean ~8" up all the way around. The risk would obviously be the removal considering natural stone can be very fragile. If you did manage to get it out, you could cut the strips into triangles or squares for resetting with a design. At that point, it's no different than other small format tiles meeting tubs or shower pans. Love the vids sir.
Nice solution, I hate to think of all of that marble going to waste.
Yeah good luck cutting 3/4” or 1 1/4” slab clean in the corners
I know that if I were the homeowner, I'd be pig-headed enough to keep trying until I saved this mess, but, I would never have tried to do a tile shower pan in the first place. I have saved failing tile floors and walls and all of the ones I attempted are still holding up well. But a homeowner, one who can observe how a fix is holding up and make adjustments as necessary, can get away with experimentation that could get a contractor in trouble. I don't blame Issac for insisting on starting over if his name is going on it.
Thanks for filming the interaction and rough estimate with the owner. Really insightful info
Nice guy. Had no business putting a shower together. Nice job with the camera Buzz!
I always recommend to put a cast iron shower base in. They never leak. You don't have to mess with tiling the shower floor. Only the walls which turns out more cost effective.
I know this was a huge hit to his ego and he was very humble about it. Thanks Han!
Issac Jesus Loves You Sir You are a man of integrity! God Bless You and You Son and family!
Gidday Isaac from the land down under. First, I enjoy watching your videos, but I must say bloody hell what a load of work you yanks go through. Here in Australia, we either use a prefabricated PVC or porcelain shower base or a mortar base or concrete flooring with puddle flanges about 1/4" below finished floor level height we then waterproof the entire base and walls in accordance with our codes and standards. Interesting to see how you blokes have various methods. Keep up the good work
Thanks for your comment! I'm always interested to hear from people around the world and how they do things differently.
These videos are why I have a shower that I have not done/started in 2 years. When I started researching the puzzle shower was what was recommended. Tile redi definitely looks like less potential issues and what I will use.
Phenomenal Video, i've watched a few Coach and am starting in the morning with letting a tile guy start my shower, removing an insert and going with Tile, i've definitely asked question like on red guard and other things with water proofing that i never knew about, i have learned from your explanations which is amazing, so i have Subscribed and hit that notification bell your raising awareness has definitely reached this 1 individual this guy uses chicken wire and thin set in the way he does it so tomorrow we start it'll take like 7-10 days roughly so we'll see how it goes.
Bud did good on camera. I have watched many of your videos. I used RSS Pro system. All good so far. Has been a few months. Thanks for the instruction.
Love your stuff. Been in home improvement sales for about 6 years. Climbed the ladder to regional director of a large company. Have you ever considered doing a sit down sales pitch after you inspect a shower like this? I think you could close a lot of customers same day.
Good video guys i always learn something new about tile & zhower pans & your son did awesome job on being the camera man ! Yal stay safe i hope yal get this job i like to see it demo & rebuild !
Daniel from central Mississippi
Good job Buzz… excellent cameraman 😊
Sooner or later we all will turn into Starr Tile type of an investigators. 🤣 I am suuuuuper curious if you got the job Isaac and we'll get to see part two of this marvel? Thanks for sharing TC. We ❤ you back.
I liked hearing about pricing and time the most.
Buzz was great, both of you come to Florida and redo my bathroom 😃
If it’s disc spacing for your back use an inversion table. Works great and definitely lessons most of the nerve pain.
It’s nice for stretching and something I use with my PT clients. But when we are talking real nerve impingement, you need a proper decompression table that you strap into and get pulled mechanically.
Additionally, it’s vital to protect lordosis the time; sitting, standing, moving and working. Meaning you sit with a proper lumbar pillow, you sleep with a proper sleeping lumbar pillow, and you move in ways using a straight back.
This will solve most cases of nerve impingement from anterior bulges and full herniations of the vertebrae.
Look into the McKenzie method of therapy and it might change your life (to anyone who reads this)
Great learning experience, keep the videos coming thank you
Sounding like my dentist now" wish i could save it but i cant".😂
I’m hooked bud i subscribed before the video was even over 🤙🏼
Did tile for 40 years. As soon as I saw the signs of water soaking up at the base of the wall, I knew there would be a nightmare under the floor and a total tear out and redo of the entire shower. The fact that they used mastic in a shower pan is comical. I'm an old school mud guy and also hot mopped pans. The new systems they use now days might meet building codes and be easier and cheaper, but still can't beat the old school hot mopped pan and floated shower walls.
How long does that combo last?
@@Tactical-Black What combo? If you are asking how long a floated shower and a hot mopped pan last. It lasts longer than any other way of doing it. I've actually seen some last as long as the house itself. The plumbing will usually fail before the tile ever will, and that could end up being a cause to replace it. Depends. I've seen houses burn down in fires and the only thing left standing are the chimneys and the floated tile showers.
Thx to homeowner for showing this bc I could see myself making this mistake. Sorry homeowner had to do all that work and $$$
Good Job Buzz! Great content.
Well I always say might as well give it a go and if it fails then try it again. Sometimes you may over spend for the project but at least it’s done correctly.
If this guy wanted to make every mistake possible, he freakin knocked it out of the park.
We purchased a home that a custom home builder built for his family, the guy put a lot of time and money in extras and details. BUT, his choice on tile contractor is questionable! We purchase the house when it was 11 years old, 3 years after purchasing, the large shower was leaking. I had a crew come in to demo all shower, tile floor, tile tub surround. And there it was, the pan liner was cut in all 4 corners, nails through liner right above pan and of course, roofing nails in the curb!
I am not a tile guy but my background being 30 years as an electrical contractor with 21+ years as electrical, mechanical and architectural engineer, I have run across many good contractors but have also run across so many idiots. I was hesitant on hiring a tile contractor to build another shower pan and install tile. After much research a couple years ago, I ordered a Tile-Redi custom size shower pan, installed it myself. What a piece of mind having that shower pan. The pan is very well built, and solid once installed. I believe in those pans to the point that I have another hotel to start designing this Fall, 210 rooms with all rooms having large showers. Probably going to spec Tile-Redi shower pans instead of site-built pans.
Shoot me an email info@tilecoach.com if you have any questions on it.
And let me guess, that tile guy is going around saying "I've been doing it this way for 40 years and never had a problem"
I’m glad I coated the sheet membrane on my shower pan with a couple coats of liquid membrane after.
I like the cut the bottom and insert another tile . Go with a purposeful difference.
My first shower I made the thinset mistake. Even worse used a full bucket to build up the shower seat. What a mess.
That's nice of you giving a discount to the property owner. As a realtor and property owner I know how stressful is to have a job done and re-do it, because someone didn't do the job right. economic distress. Kind of you to show to America what could be go wrong doing bathrooms.
Everyone knows I’m in over my head over my head ! 8 seconds left in tile time it’s on your mind the mastics in your miiiind!!! 😮
I love watching your video's, your content is so informative and I have learn so much from you when I did my first shower demo and rebuild.
Nice video buzz need to zoom in a littel bit overal goed filming ❤gretings from the netherlands 🇳🇱
I'm interested in what your going to find beneath the RSS pan and behind the walls.
Free demo turns into $17k shower quote 😂
Who said it's free? He charged for a demo for sure. If his quote is 17k-20k, then he is definitely not gonna show up for the demo for free.
@@sunfish8286 its content
@@sunfish8286 I’m not surprised by your wrong opinion. It’s content. The demo is normally part of the shower job. The next contractor should be weary seeing a pre demo’d shower.
@@zookini I am not surprised by your wrong opinion. As a contractor myself, I would never demo someone else's shower for free and without agreeing on the price of the full shower remodel before starting any work. You telling me that Issac is such an angel that he spends most of his time doing demo for someone for free and then doesnt get hired cause in his area there so many other tile guys? OK, I got you sir
@@sunfish8286 you don’t have a monetized RUclips channel.
He does, that’s why he demos for content
I could have done half the price. Easily.
You are correct in your assessment.
The entire bathroom did not “have” to be torn out
King
King Builder Co. Llc.
Seattle
Thank you Han!!!
I am wondering how this turned out. I watched this when it came out. I would measure one foot up on the marble walls and cut it all out. Then go back in correctly and do a custom design with new floor pan.
I wonder if you can leave the marble and do tile redi in front of it. Then waterproof the seam and use marble sills to cover that portion. Do marble hexagon on the pan. Would save a ton if money. Also, use a good sealer over all the marble.
This is why I'm keeping my DIY shower project simple without all the high-tech garbage that's susceptible to failure if not done perfectly.
Love the forester! And from Autonation! Woot woot
I am a 35 year tile setter from the Bay Area. That is probably the worst shower pan set I have ever seen…that can not be fixed…it’s a tear out for sure…
Tile redi is legit. The banding never looked good even before you did the multiple test on the different brands of waterproof sealers. The old school EPDM shower liners you use still look like they'll outlive any of the banding systems.
I'm sure glad you're helping homeowners do their own work so I can sit on my ass and not make money.
Big win for your channel though
Old school pan liner, new drain, and concrete shower pan. Cut thin wood trim and hot glue to lower 8 inches of walls to cut in a straight line. Use larger grinder diamond blade for greater penetration depth. Seen this mastic pan before glue all over on tear out day.
I don't understand why people use thinset to adhere strips of sheet membrane around the edges and corners, knowing that thinset wicks water right under the membrane. I prefer using liquid membrane to hold the strips and then another coat over the sheet membrane.
Mold requires three conditions to thrive: moisture, warmth and a food source, and mastic acts as a source of food for mold.
Dang poor dude just trying to have a nice shower bummer hopefully you get the job and build something wonderful
As for someone that also does tile for a living, as soon as you popped that first tile I literally said out loud, Oh don't tell me he used mastic 😬
I am a DIYer and said the same thing.
Your son did incredible.
Great job on camera
Any update? Would love to see the redo!
Hey, I recognize that house. That's right down the street from me. Lol
@TileCoach Would love your A+ test on a microcement (SmartCrete) as a top coat waterproofing for a shower environment. becoming a popular product and looking for a base waterproofing like Ardex or Hydroban with a top coat of micro cement.
I would still cut out the bottom 4"-6" of the marble and fill with tile (after doing proper waterproofing) for a baseboard effect. Go full Bob Ross, if you have to. If the wall plumbing needs fixing or replacing, do it from the other side of the wall. Redoing drywall will be way cheaper and easier than redoing the marble.
Super helpful!
The homeowner seems like a nice and honest guy tho! But the work... I can't even. Mind blowing horrible floor and then top of the line walls, how did those two finishes even meet? Craziness!!
If he is a do it yourself, I wonder if he is also a “handyman” who has done jobs on other homeowners.
My guess? Homeowner did everything BUT had someone come out and measure/install the marble on top of his mess.
@@fd3871he said the walls were done first and then he did the floor. And he said “ I did” not “ I had it done”.. so maybe he tried his hand at it..
@@richeyrich2203They’re probably attached with duct tape
@@richeyrich2203 not sure we can trust a man who uses mastic as an adhesive in a wet area 🤣
I would find a way to save that. 100%or not, if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to rip out the stone. No system guarantees that, but get a membrane 4 inches up that stone, yes in front of it. Cover it with a marble baseboard. Yes, there`s a nice marble baseboard that people use in bathrooms. That would probably not be code but it would save him 20k. It's worth trying IMO.
Interesting. Maybe not $20k but $15k, still gotta do the floor and all. Problem is would OG tile coach wanna put his name behind a job like that? He'd probably tell him what to do and find someone else to do it. That's what I'd do
@ 0:06 when you know it's a total gut job.
@ 0:30 when you are 100% sure it's a total gut job.
The info and materials are out there, why,,,just why??? Such a nice home too.
Lower back issues have been my thing lately.
Buzz did a great job.
Lol that looks like rtv the oil pan gasket stuff for your car engine 😂
Buzz is awesome 🎉
I need your rescue on our bathroom that has been out of commission for the past 2 years 😭
I’d never use mastic. Love GoBoard!
A great mold treatment is RMR-86 Pro Instant Mold Stain & Mildew Stain Remover
The lower back thing sucks big time. All I can say, as someone who's struggled with that, is unconventional workouts are your friend. My last run in with muscle spasms down there ended after I tagged along with my wife to one of her barre classes out of curiosity (think yoga crossed with karma sutra lol). I'm pretty fit so it wasn't a work out in the strict sense...but I immediately isolated exactly where my tension/inflamation was actually coming from, which physical therapy, my doctor, and MRI etc had totally failed to do. I had it beaten back in about 2 weeks from exactly then, and only because I actually knew what I had to focus on. My ins co really probably should have sent that bougie all girls work out class a check lol.
Can you point me to the link of the repair?
Mastic grows mold in the buckets. I wouldn't suggest using it anywhere. Even on a back splash, its crap. I have thrown tons of mastic away half full because it molded in the bucket.
Buzz did great!
total gut 👍
I used to work for a tile guy for many years and we’d have to pre slop with dry pack and put rubber pans down then float it with mud.. We wouldn’t use fiberglass ones..
Hey what’s this extra piece of sheathing. We don’t need it, 😂 let’s finish this up this job before dinner
😂 mans said liquid nails 😂😂😂😂 ohhh yea that’s what ya want to grout your shower floor with doken liquid nailers! 😂
Han is a good sport about that situation.
10:26 why not to use liquid membrane instead of thinset? you smear it under and then over
20 grand for that shower is crazy. ive been building entire bathrooms for just 6k labor.
20k for a shower is insane even for California.
Any word on a repair video for this shower?
Help. I got a delta shower pan 60x32 and planning to tile. The flange has a lip on the top. I’m thinking I got the wrong type of shower pan. Do I get one with a straight flange or cut the lip off. If I cut the lip off the flange will only be 1”. If I got the wrong pan what brand would you recommend from Home Depot. Thanks for any suggestions.
That’s one place homeowners shouldn’t try and save a dime. Imagine what that all cost and his time then add 20K to that to redo it all. Thats a beautiful car or rock for the wife.
Looks like the owner did the work himself, he was not surprised by any of the things that went wrong.
Lower back issues. I'm 65 and your a spring chicken. Working with my son also, it's great teaching him but I'm still dad.😂 He's a teenager
I wish he would make follow up videos