Every time I work for realtors They always cry that they don’t have money , so I can lower my price, they never respect the work because they don’t know what it takes to get things done right,Issac kudos dude for taking that job or any job involve with a realtor
It's kind of funny as he was talking about how to keep the repair small. I just had flashbacks to every realtor I've ever worked for. Do it right or pay to do it twice
I am the owner and the only reason we called the tile coach is because when we had the shower installed I supplied him with a complete Schluter system. We thought we were going to be doing a Schluter repair which the top coach has plenty of experience with. This was my personal home and at the time we were working with several remodels in Sacramento for clients of mine. Given that I supplied him with the correct materials I expected him to install it correctly. I am real sure you've never done work for me. It takes the same amount of effort to do things correctly as it does to cut corners. That has never been the way we roll.
@@brucepflieger7212 Where is the tile guy you hired initially? As contractors we are accountable for our work. I hear you have a lot on your plate financially. That guy should be the one paying to fix his mistake.
@@hepparadeThe homeowner 100% lying! He even looks sleazy. Why didn't the homeowner call the original installer that he was using 10 years? I would dial the installer right there on video. He was too chill about the whole situation like he knew there was never a Schluter system installed.
Just as easy to waterproof & tile it right as as all the work that went into this to do it wrong. What an injustice for this homeowner. Great video, thanks!
That is the craziest part of so many trash jobs. They will look great in the surface , in my opinion the skill level is in the surface, why would you not take the time to either learn how to do the waterproofing right or do it right if you know.
The kind of thing you see on a flip house done by people that don't care. Pretty ballsy to do that for a homeowner that I guess knows who you are. You get what you pay for, for sure. Thanks Isaac!
@@IknowImNotCrazyYoumightbe TC is a smart and experienced fella but I do hope he get to read this. It will help the conciseness for sure. You are not alone coach, not alone. 😎
I am the owner and not only am I a real estate agent but I do a construction management and have a construction crew. I also owned tile stores so tile is not foreign to us. That is why we supplied the tile guy the whole Schluter system to do the install. Unfortunately we left this guy alone on the project while we were working on projects in Sacramento. We were not living in the home at the time. The only reason I called the tile coach was because we thought we would be doing a Schluter repair which he has experience with. We just completed the demo.as it turned out the guy did not tile over tile on the walls which is almost worse. He floated the walls. This has pretty much been a crap show for sure.
I used a Tileredi shower pan years ago when I remodeled our master bath, fit seamlessly and was very easy to install, will never use another product ever for future shower projects, great quality products.
Homeowner is asking Isaac for the cheapest option to repair this mess. I bet he said the same thing to whoever he asked to remodel the shower. Not only did he know corners got cut, he asked for them or he seems like the type of guy that would do this hack remodel.
Damn that sucks man...been making it a point to record all my work and have homeowners come in with me and educate them so when i get referred there is no question everyone is getting a solid product and people are not getting robbed! Not to mention it helps everyone keep the price where it should be so we get paid what we are worth! Making it a mission to get rid of tile hacks, embarrassing to the trade
Yeah I feel super bad for the real estate agent who for 100% sure has sold homes to ppl that he knew was suspect after. And has probably said,”doesn’t have to be right , just has to look good” half a zillion times
That's not how I roll. you realize when you sell a home and there is a failure the client always comes bac to you. I have been an agent for over 30 years and have personally sold over a couple thousand homes. You can't sell that many thinking lipstick on a pig will work. That is also why I always encourage clients to get inspections. When there are problems I am always there to help them and I am always the first person they call. Better to know the problems before you buy. Unfortunately this was a case of leaving a tile guy alone with all of the latest materials to install a shower right in your own home while you are out insuring that your clients are getting the best that they can get. Sadly the the guy tried to cut corners.
@@brucepflieger7212 I’ve been in the trades for more than 30 years. I have plumbed for 23 years. I cannot say every REA is the same but I have been begged to just make it work , and told it just has to get through the sale , a million times. I have had agents and their people stop using me because I refuse to degrade my reputation for them to save a dollar. I’ve yet to be asked to ,”make it right “, by anyone selling a house
When I first started my tiling career, I had a homeowner that wanted me to do something similar to this. Retail the walls, but keep the pan in place and then cover with another layer of tile. I ended up walking off that job for a few different reasons, and no longer do business with him. If anyone ever tries to get you to do something the wrong way just walk from the project. It will save you so much headache in the long run.
I agree. If someone tells you to install a job incorrectly you need to walk away. I am the owner and I also owned Tile Outlets at the time. I supplied him with the complete Schluter system . That is what I thought we we going to repair. that is why I called the tile coach. We were not living at the home at the time and would have never even thought he would go this route. I can't imagine anyone going this route.
Question - where is the guy to fix his mistake, that did the job in the first place? The client should never dictate the quality of YOUR work...this is absolutely why T&M work is frowned upon. We can't forget we are contractors, not the client's employ.
I wouldn't rest too much into his reactions on camera or what he says on camera. Many people don't think or act the same when being filmed. I'm not even sure he was processing the info as it was shared with him, because he was getting quite bad news but seemed to think it wasn't that bad and was maybe even good.
@@dosadoodle the reason I said this is because I do the same thing for a living, and this scenario seems extremely familiar. I’m not hating on the guy at all. This failure is not even as bad as the ones I have fixed and I could be completely wrong.
I'm not an agent, but it's 3% to the broker not 6% if your the buyer agent it can be less. Depending on the agent the broker cuts the agent some% of that. Brokers and agents make alot, but not as much as people like you think.
By the time you rip out the pan/curb and 1 foot up the walls, you might as well rip it all out and redo the whole shower. The homeowner could demo, put in a plastic pan, have a plumber run the drain, then he could tile the walls and use a shower curtain. That is about the cheapest, easiest, good way to do it.
Exactly what I would suggest in this instance, if he is really strapped on cash. $400 shower base, $200 in cement board and hydroban, and $400 in some cheap tile. The guy could do it all himself if business is slow and he has time on his hands. 3 days and $1000 and he has a new waterproof shower
@@remodz6385 exactly, that's about as cheap as it gets, and him being in real estate you would assume he knows this already, just wants nice stuff which is fair as well.
I know right it's as if the guy actually knew something about tile. I am the owner and I owned tile stores at the time. I actually supplied a complete Schluter system for this install. That is why we called the tile Coach. We thought we were going to be doing a Schluter repair which he has plenty of experience at. Quite honestly I've had a pretty rough year this year so to see the shower be a complete crap show was pretty in line with what has been happening. I am a realist I look at the issues and deal with it so was I surprised. Sure I was surprised at what the guy actually did. At the same time that's just pretty much what's been going on so it was just one more thing.
I was a licensed operator of a family termite company and specialized in making structural repairs and we came across leaking shower systems all the time, especially on newer looking tile jobs. In the last 20 years of flipping houses and remodel boom it's gotten ridiculous. Just because someone knows how to lay tile and make it look professionally installed doesn't mean they know anything about water proofing, and on a flip house the ones controlling the money don't want to spend the extra money for a professional tile guy that knows showers
can u do a video on versabond custom thinset on sheets membrane if it's compatible or how it holds cuz that thinset u can easily get on homedepot is friendly budget
Working in the industry, he should’ve known better not to let someone inexperienced in plumbing do a plumbing in an older house. Even myself, I’m handy and helping friend tile new shower, I advise him pay a professional plumber to move the drain as it’s upstairs bathroom. Guy did it for $300 and took him 30mins but his knowledge 20 years was priceless. Giving the home owner understanding about his house plumbing and why it’s done the way he’s doing it to prevent Future Leaks. And guys $300 was a favor, he said he normally charges $500+
The sad thing is my plumber actually met with him and asked him what he needed. I don't believe he actually changed the plumbing I think he only cut the drain. With all of the shaking of the Sawzall it broke the her paper seal from the original 50-year-old shower. I think the friend codes were there when we purchased the home I think the Ferncos were there when we purchased the home.
Looks like the floor i pulled from my 1940 house. Simple tar paper membrane. Failed many years before me. Wood frame rotted out. Only thing holding it up was the concrete bed.
Nice walk through. Perhaps cutting out the original cast iron trap happened well after (or maybe even before) the tile job? Doesn't seem like there was any reason to have done that as part of the re-tile.
My go to is laminated go board… rip as many pieces you need for the thickness you want and then thinset and sandwich them all together! (Then I Kerdi over everything…but you could use a number of different waterproofing options)
real estate people usually hire the cheapest dudes, just been my experience........i would guess he went with the cheaper option just by the way he is talking to Isaac.....this guy doesnt spend money on doing things correctly just looking at his house...... tile guy prolly suggested correct way and he asked is their another way to save money and here you are
That really pisses me off, I knew once I seen the curb swelling at the beginning, it wasn’t just a simple drain leak/issue. Can’t believe people actually take money from others and leave a job like this feeling good. This is why I don’t mind if my customers want to see the products I use and check my work while I’m gone overnight. And I always encourage them to ask questions or bring something up if they don’t understand or doesn’t look right.
Man, such a devastating thing these jackoffs in the trades can cause to a homeowner. Almost life changing type things financially. To even accept a bunch of referrals after doing someone that dirty too, you have to be a real piece of garbage. Unfortunate there are a lot of these types out there - and thank goodness there are people like TileCoach fighting the good fight.
This is exactly what happen when homeowners go with cheapist bid because they dont want to pay to have the job done right, they hire joe handyman who learned trade from youtube videos or some tile installer who was a helper for a week or two bought himself a tile saw and now he is a professional tile installer
I am the owner. This guy had been at it for at least 10 years that I know of. I owned a couple tile & granite stores at the time and supplied all of the materials including the Schluter System which he did not install. He was a licensed Tile contractor.
Not making excuses, but time constraints/financial struggles etc.. often make projects/jobs more finicky - That being said, your testing/experiment videos really show us the importance of why no shortcuts should ever take place for the shower floor. Not saying to create some new system, but there must be a way to isolate drainage without relying solely on *Manufacture’s Strength* We should be confident and consistent with our methods, while using the materials necessary- instead of being unsure and hoping that the material will *confidently* work.
I understand being frustrated and trying to save money, but you can't tell a tile guy to take off a few tiles and fix it. Still only 5 minutes in, so we'll see where the video goes. I feel for the homeowner, but it has to be done right, and you've got the right guy on the job. Don't tell him how to fix it, let him tell you what needs to be done.
yeah i feel for these people.... but when he said that i thought what? how are you gonna tell him! When you called isaac for professional guidance. he also acted like all tile guys cant do plumbing because they got a terrible contractor to do work for probably dirt cheap.
@@danthegraniteman4702 exactly, I'm thinking he did that tile job. Not to be an asshole...but what tile contractor would tile over tile and reuse old plumbing??! I don't think that was done by a tile contractor.
He's not that bad off. I'm assuming he got that done cheap. If so, he got 12 years out of a cheap repair, which isn't the worst thing in the world. Yeah sure, now he has to follow all the way through, but he just got away with over a decade of not doing this. This guy is the primest diy candidate I've seen in a while though. Why not, he's aware of the concepts etc...
i would agree but i think he was under the illusion that it was more expensive seeing as he bought the tile guy ( hack) all the stuff to do it and they guy just put lipstick on a pig and took the money
Actually in hindsight I wish I did do it myself. Tile is not new to me. At the time I owned a couple Tile and Granite stores. I supplied the guy with a complete Schluter system. I wish I had paid a" little" money for that shower. Apparently the guy thought he was giving me such a great deal that he didn't actually have to do it right. At the time that was probably an $8,000 to 10k adventure.
Not to be that guy but ill be "THAT" guy and say that it seems like the homeowner wanted the cheapest cost of a remodel for that shower and when they gave him what he wanted its hard to say you get what you paid for. He said he's strap on cash but im sure he knew that he fucked up by going cheap on it and now its leaking and destroying the rest of the house he wants someone to come along and fix his poor decision for not investing in a proper shower remodel. Lesson here is that sure it looks great a year or two down the road but when you plan to live in that house for years to come your asking for it when you have to make these costly repairs that was caused by poor decisions. P.S- My comment is my personal own opinion, I do not know for a fact this is what this homeowner did and do not know his story or history on his house but I've seen too many good people get taken advantage of in the trades when you finally get someone who cares and understands.
Yeah he is a salesman, I have a feel that he hired a guy to do it on the cheap. Unlicensed and wants a freebie. If he is a homeowner who is strapped he needs to at least watch videos to do the work. I know that during times I was laid off I had to bust my arse to do my own work at home and I still work on my own home even though I am doing better. I hope you do not expend anymore of your time on this, give him a bucket Flex water proofing.
Yeah, you could tell when he said Kurdi makes that kurdi patching in stuff. He wanted another quick fix. I get it. Shits super expensive right now. We just did a backsplash the other day and the tiles were $15 a piece!
@beekeepermariadelgado6806 agreed. some people don't know how damaging it can be when you cut corners. I'm scared for this generation of housebuyers if they don't learn from mistakes like these.
The issue is most homeowners do not educate themselves on the basics of how it works... if the homeowner just checked in on them a few times, he would know there was an issue early on. Let's assume he is at work and is busy. Give them a call and ask if they can send you a photo of the progress. #1 red flag should have been the demo... where did all the broken tiles go if the tiles were supposed to be removed? Do they not have cameras in their home and check to see what happened with thr Schluter? I wonder if the homeowner simply did the work himself thinking he could just make it look nice. The fact he referred this tile guy to do othed peoples homes... what a horrible real estate agent he is. You cannot recommend bad workers to your own clients, man....
The install was 12 years ago, so smartphones were finally catching on but not universally used. And many of us don't have security cameras inside our home even today.
I agree how can you refer a guy like this? I am the owner and the real estate agent. At the time the home was being remodeled it was not occupied. No cameras. Also at the time we owned a couple tile & granite stores. When we referred this guy we had not only seen his work but also seen him do installs. We also provided all the materials including a Schluter system which he did not install. I screwed up we left the guy alone to do the work. As far as referring the guy it is like the Tile Coah said the shower looked like it was done right until it stared to leak.
Unfortunately, you should never use a realtors contractors. Those guys are good for getting a home sold, not making something last. Lipstick on pig artists
I do flooring and I see installers all the time do stupid things and when I point it out to them, their response is always " I never had problem doing it". Well of course you haven't, because the customers feel contacting the one who caused the damage by not following installation gilde lines is pointless. As stich1960 stated, "do it right or pay to do it twice."
At the time I owned 2 tile stores and supplied the materials for the job including the Schluter System which he obviously did not install. The tile guy got paid well.
This is so sad, I'm a general contractor here in az,,, I see this kinda crap all the time here. People are so obsessed with saving a dollar at the rate of hiring guys who do this kinda work it makes me not want to keep trying
Saving a dollar? You make it sound like people have the money but don't want to spend it. What they do is call in a guy even though they know they can't affort it and say what can you do for me at this price point.
@@jeffpope8014 What is Zero Minus Zero? Nuth'in. If you quote a price and the customer can't pay it then you have two choices. 1. Walk away with nuth'in, 2. Come to an arrangement. Ie. credit, price reduction or adjust the service you want to provide. But what you can't do is make the owner magically have the money. The home owner has an obligation to himself to negotiate for the best terms. That is business. You either will or your won't.
Oh as a realtor he knew exactly what he was getting. You get what you get. Experienced realtors know who the good contractors are. Know all the horror stories and know who the bad contractors are. He chose to save money. He knew what he was getting into
Lasted for 12 years? Not bad. He probably hired the cheapest guy so he got his money’s worth. Can’t expect a cheap install to last forever. Issac is a tile guy and he does plumbing…. What’s the difference?
@@kregar14 Actually the drain was working just fine…It was leaking around the drain because there was no waterproofing. Even though the tile guy reused the old cast iron drain, the water wasn’t leaking from the plumbing. The leak was in the shower system, not the plumbing system.
@beekeepermariadelgado6806 Agreed. He owns at least a dozen properties that he's renting. Those are the type of people who have millions but keep crying that they are barely surviving 😂
My wife and I owned Tile and granite stores at the time. She did a pretty nice job with the slate floors. Sadly I wish I had done it myself. We supplied all of the materials including the Schluter System which he did not install. He was a licensed Tile contractor.
Kinda sounds like something a certain company would do, you know the one that puts their product over existing stuff... Starts with an R and ends with bath...
The high cost of living in California this homeowner wants it done cheaply. It's hard in NJ, to find any legitimate contractors who would do repairs. I just got used to DYI or paying someone to do it wrong & leak! I got burnt underwater in the late eighties in real estate at 23 yo.
The second I laid eyes on the homeowner.....I knew exactly what was coming. starts out by saying his WIFE layed the floor slate?! right! he's just priming the pump. his wife lays the floor buy HE hired someone to do the shower??? 20 yrs ago this "homeowner" laid the rock over the tile himself. his wife came down with cancer that quickly progressed & now they or he is ready to, or needs to move and he/they need to sell the house asap. so before he has a relator come pick the place apart he needs someone to come unscrew the disastrous micro shower he & his wife created years ago. tile guy my are!!! And oh yeah, he just noticed, right before Tilecoach got there that the door just started rubbing. can't stand gutless people like this. He could have said... Hey man, I did this job 20 yrs ago, I need to sell & I'm not able to do the work myself anymore. how much will it cost to fix this up? I hope TileCoach walk on this one.
I am reading in the comments and some of you people either contract in plush and prosperous communities or you don't actually don't contract work nor even solicit for contractors to do work for you. First of all prices for materials are up 400% . All the contractors are up to their necks in job requests so they and charging premium prices as well. So the quotes are very high. Alot of guys are doing stuff like taking down payments for other jobs while they are on another job or two. And when they accept a job they only want to take a job that they can get in and out of quickly. They want a $2500 in one day type work. But if your job problematic you can't pay them $5000.00 to get in tangled with a problem. . So for that reason a $5000 bathroom job will not fly any more. But the flip side of that is that nobody has $12,000 just laying around these days.
I'm only about half way through the video an it's starting to look like the home owner himself tiled that man. You need to be a little careful how you criticize the work😂
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Sounds like he did the job
Every time I work for realtors
They always cry that they don’t have money , so I can lower my price, they never respect the work because they don’t know what it takes to get things done right,Issac kudos dude for taking that job or any job involve with a realtor
The tile doc should have his own show on diy network, thanks for all the insight , keep up the awesome work and content, your awesome
Isaac, you should do an entire series called "shower detective."
And those that are trying to get there HO INSURANCE to pay for they're own work done incorrectly.
It's kind of funny as he was talking about how to keep the repair small. I just had flashbacks to every realtor I've ever worked for. Do it right or pay to do it twice
I won’t work for real estate agents anymore, give cheap and look pretty!! I’m not your guy
I am the owner and the only reason we called the tile coach is because when we had the shower installed I supplied him with a complete Schluter system. We thought we were going to be doing a Schluter repair which the top coach has plenty of experience with. This was my personal home and at the time we were working with several remodels in Sacramento for clients of mine. Given that I supplied him with the correct materials I expected him to install it correctly. I am real sure you've never done work for me. It takes the same amount of effort to do things correctly as it does to cut corners. That has never been the way we roll.
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@@brucepflieger7212
Where is the tile guy you hired initially?
As contractors we are accountable for our work.
I hear you have a lot on your plate financially.
That guy should be the one paying to fix his mistake.
@@hepparadeThe homeowner 100% lying! He even looks sleazy. Why didn't the homeowner call the original installer that he was using 10 years? I would dial the installer right there on video. He was too chill about the whole situation like he knew there was never a Schluter system installed.
Just as easy to waterproof & tile it right as as all the work that went into this to do it wrong. What an injustice for this homeowner. Great video, thanks!
That is the craziest part of so many trash jobs. They will look great in the surface , in my opinion the skill level is in the surface, why would you not take the time to either learn how to do the waterproofing right or do it right if you know.
The kind of thing you see on a flip house done by people that don't care. Pretty ballsy to do that for a homeowner that I guess knows who you are. You get what you pay for, for sure.
Thanks Isaac!
I've seen this hack work done everywhere in every trade
guy knew exactly what had been done..
If I personally installed new tile over old tile in my shower, I'd say a tile guy did it too.
lol I was thinking the same thing. This guy might be the “tile guy” lol
1000%
i was thinking the same thing.....he had to know....
@@IknowImNotCrazyYoumightbe TC is a smart and experienced fella but I do hope he get to read this. It will help the conciseness for sure. You are not alone coach, not alone. 😎
I am the owner and not only am I a real estate agent but I do a construction management and have a construction crew. I also owned tile stores so tile is not foreign to us. That is why we supplied the tile guy the whole Schluter system to do the install. Unfortunately we left this guy alone on the project while we were working on projects in Sacramento. We were not living in the home at the time. The only reason I called the tile coach was because we thought we would be doing a Schluter repair which he has experience with. We just completed the demo.as it turned out the guy did not tile over tile on the walls which is almost worse. He floated the walls. This has pretty much been a crap show for sure.
I used a Tileredi shower pan years ago when I remodeled our master bath, fit seamlessly and was very easy to install, will never use another product ever for future shower projects, great quality products.
Kudos to you Isaac, taking on that job.
My first thought with you taking to the client in the beginning... it's all coming out.
Great vid. Bruce the homeowner is the double of Mark Gordon of the Highway to Heaven TV show.
Hey you should’ve pulled the trim kit off the mixing valve and see if there was 2 layers of tile on the wall.
If a realtor tells you he’s broke just hang the phone up otherwise you’ll be broke
Homeowner is asking Isaac for the cheapest option to repair this mess. I bet he said the same thing to whoever he asked to remodel the shower. Not only did he know corners got cut, he asked for them or he seems like the type of guy that would do this hack remodel.
Damn that sucks man...been making it a point to record all my work and have homeowners come in with me and educate them so when i get referred there is no question everyone is getting a solid product and people are not getting robbed! Not to mention it helps everyone keep the price where it should be so we get paid what we are worth! Making it a mission to get rid of tile hacks, embarrassing to the trade
Wow! Amazing reveal. I hope he hires you to make it right.
Yeah I feel super bad for the real estate agent who for 100% sure has sold homes to ppl that he knew was suspect after. And has probably said,”doesn’t have to be right , just has to look good” half a zillion times
That's not how I roll. you realize when you sell a home and there is a failure the client always comes bac to you. I have been an agent for over 30 years and have personally sold over a couple thousand homes. You can't sell that many thinking lipstick on a pig will work. That is also why I always encourage clients to get inspections. When there are problems I am always there to help them and I am always the first person they call. Better to know the problems before you buy. Unfortunately this was a case of leaving a tile guy alone with all of the latest materials to install a shower right in your own home while you are out insuring that your clients are getting the best that they can get. Sadly the the guy tried to cut corners.
@@brucepflieger7212 I’ve been in the trades for more than 30 years. I have plumbed for 23 years. I cannot say every REA is the same but I have been begged to just make it work , and told it just has to get through the sale , a million times. I have had agents and their people stop using me because I refuse to degrade my reputation for them to save a dollar. I’ve yet to be asked to ,”make it right “, by anyone selling a house
When I first started my tiling career, I had a homeowner that wanted me to do something similar to this. Retail the walls, but keep the pan in place and then cover with another layer of tile. I ended up walking off that job for a few different reasons, and no longer do business with him. If anyone ever tries to get you to do something the wrong way just walk from the project. It will save you so much headache in the long run.
I agree. If someone tells you to install a job incorrectly you need to walk away. I am the owner and I also owned Tile Outlets at the time. I supplied him with the complete Schluter system . That is what I thought we we going to repair. that is why I called the tile coach. We were not living at the home at the time and would have never even thought he would go this route. I can't imagine anyone going this route.
Question - where is the guy to fix his mistake, that did the job in the first place?
The client should never dictate the quality of YOUR work...this is absolutely why T&M work is frowned upon.
We can't forget we are contractors, not the client's employ.
I'd like to see videos where the homeowner has the option to fight Isaac (physically) for a 3% discount.
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I wonder how many times he gave a discount to a buyer of one the houses he sold.
If money is tight could cut the bottom row of tile off and rebuild the pan and replace the bottom row of tile. I've fixed a bunch of them that way.
First thing I thought
The realtor is using the same guy that did his shower in the shower in the home that you just bought through him.
The owner : "really"? 🤣 Acting like he was out of town when installer did this shit!
I have a gut feeling on who did it 😅
I wouldn't rest too much into his reactions on camera or what he says on camera. Many people don't think or act the same when being filmed. I'm not even sure he was processing the info as it was shared with him, because he was getting quite bad news but seemed to think it wasn't that bad and was maybe even good.
@@dosadoodle the reason I said this is because I do the same thing for a living, and this scenario seems extremely familiar. I’m not hating on the guy at all. This failure is not even as bad as the ones I have fixed and I could be completely wrong.
I dont feel bad for real estate agents who have to do hardly any work in modern times for a 6% cut from the seller.
I'm not an agent, but it's 3% to the broker not 6% if your the buyer agent it can be less. Depending on the agent the broker cuts the agent some% of that. Brokers and agents make alot, but not as much as people like you think.
@@MAD-DUKE I know it's generally 6% that is split but for the work they have to do how it's 4% too much
You're up in my neck of the woods! I was just telling a coworker about your videos, he is near you in Rocklin. Hopefully he comes to see you.
By the time you rip out the pan/curb and 1 foot up the walls, you might as well rip it all out and redo the whole shower.
The homeowner could demo, put in a plastic pan, have a plumber run the drain, then he could tile the walls and use a shower curtain.
That is about the cheapest, easiest, good way to do it.
Those HD shower kits. I know I would if strapped for cash
Exactly what I would suggest in this instance, if he is really strapped on cash. $400 shower base, $200 in cement board and hydroban, and $400 in some cheap tile. The guy could do it all himself if business is slow and he has time on his hands. 3 days and $1000 and he has a new waterproof shower
@@remodz6385 exactly, that's about as cheap as it gets, and him being in real estate you would assume he knows this already, just wants nice stuff which is fair as well.
Ive seen a tile guy with 40 years experience tile over quarry tile but it was all intact but worn badly in a commercial kitchen, it held up great
Great videos. Question: do you now use Laticrete Hydroban over Schluter joints verses the Ardex products ?
Homeowner doesn’t look surprised. Seems like he knew exactly what was being done to the shower.
He's a realtor so he hires hacks to do shit work like this for chump change to only profit from it
I was thinking the same thing...he was almost finishing Issac sentences while he was explaining the issues
I know right it's as if the guy actually knew something about tile. I am the owner and I owned tile stores at the time. I actually supplied a complete Schluter system for this install. That is why we called the tile Coach. We thought we were going to be doing a Schluter repair which he has plenty of experience at. Quite honestly I've had a pretty rough year this year so to see the shower be a complete crap show was pretty in line with what has been happening. I am a realist I look at the issues and deal with it so was I surprised. Sure I was surprised at what the guy actually did. At the same time that's just pretty much what's been going on so it was just one more thing.
@@brucepflieger7212 finding good help is hard for everyone now
Plot twist, it was the home owner that did the work.
Last guy heard the same story. Do the cheapest way you can been in the trade since 78 seen some craze things
Contractor here, how do you get compensated for all this exploratory work?
daily rate! or he does it for the right to post the content
I was a licensed operator of a family termite company and specialized in making structural repairs and we came across leaking shower systems all the time, especially on newer looking tile jobs. In the last 20 years of flipping houses and remodel boom it's gotten ridiculous. Just because someone knows how to lay tile and make it look professionally installed doesn't mean they know anything about water proofing, and on a flip house the ones controlling the money don't want to spend the extra money for a professional tile guy that knows showers
@suspicionofdeceit yep, no water proofing at all. It's amazing someone who is so talented at setting tile can have zero clue about water proofing.
Did he pay you for your diagnosis ?
can u do a video on versabond custom thinset on sheets membrane if it's compatible or how it holds cuz that thinset u can easily get on homedepot is friendly budget
I am sorry this happened! PSA this is why we charge so much as contractors. Our job is to do everything we can to prevent this from happening.
heartbreaking ,tar paper,layers on layers,hope a labor intense solution can bring joy back into this situation,😢
Working in the industry, he should’ve known better not to let someone inexperienced in plumbing do a plumbing in an older house. Even myself, I’m handy and helping friend tile new shower, I advise him pay a professional plumber to move the drain as it’s upstairs bathroom. Guy did it for $300 and took him 30mins but his knowledge 20 years was priceless. Giving the home owner understanding about his house plumbing and why it’s done the way he’s doing it to prevent Future Leaks.
And guys $300 was a favor, he said he normally charges $500+
The sad thing is my plumber actually met with him and asked him what he needed. I don't believe he actually changed the plumbing I think he only cut the drain. With all of the shaking of the Sawzall it broke the her paper seal from the original 50-year-old shower. I think the friend codes were there when we purchased the home I think the Ferncos were there when we purchased the home.
Looks like the floor i pulled from my 1940 house. Simple tar paper membrane. Failed many years before me. Wood frame rotted out. Only thing holding it up was the concrete bed.
Nice walk through. Perhaps cutting out the original cast iron trap happened well after (or maybe even before) the tile job? Doesn't seem like there was any reason to have done that as part of the re-tile.
What would you use for a curb then? I'm making a concrete one, but it's also in the basement.
My go to is laminated go board… rip as many pieces you need for the thickness you want and then thinset and sandwich them all together! (Then I Kerdi over everything…but you could use a number of different waterproofing options)
real estate people usually hire the cheapest dudes, just been my experience........i would guess he went with the cheaper option just by the way he is talking to Isaac.....this guy doesnt spend money on doing things correctly just looking at his house......
tile guy prolly suggested correct way and he asked is their another way to save money and here you are
That really pisses me off, I knew once I seen the curb swelling at the beginning, it wasn’t just a simple drain leak/issue. Can’t believe people actually take money from others and leave a job like this feeling good. This is why I don’t mind if my customers want to see the products I use and check my work while I’m gone overnight. And I always encourage them to ask questions or bring something up if they don’t understand or doesn’t look right.
He better get 2 tubes of kitchen and bath siliconized caulk and cover that opening
He floats his pans with thinset.
Man, such a devastating thing these jackoffs in the trades can cause to a homeowner. Almost life changing type things financially. To even accept a bunch of referrals after doing someone that dirty too, you have to be a real piece of garbage.
Unfortunate there are a lot of these types out there - and thank goodness there are people like TileCoach fighting the good fight.
8:24 Isaac looking at the glass door after the roto hammer wobbled. That could have been bad
umm, they took the glass door off
This is exactly what happen when homeowners go with cheapist bid because they dont want to pay to have the job done right, they hire joe handyman who learned trade from youtube videos or some tile installer who was a helper for a week or two bought himself a tile saw and now he is a professional tile installer
I am the owner. This guy had been at it for at least 10 years that I know of. I owned a couple tile & granite stores at the time and supplied all of the materials including the Schluter System which he did not install. He was a licensed Tile contractor.
Do it right just hot mop pan and float walls will get another 20-30 year shower,
I wouldn’t do this job, especially that the Guy only wants the drain opened up
What kind of boots are those, tile guy? They hold up?
I saw that nod and eyebrow raisin moment.
Sounds like the homeowner was responsible for that mess.
Bruce probably gave the last tile guy the same sob story so he decided to shit n' git.., If I was Isaac, I'd be like, Sayonara, dude.
Not making excuses, but time constraints/financial struggles etc.. often make projects/jobs more finicky -
That being said, your testing/experiment videos really show us the importance of why no shortcuts should ever take place for the shower floor.
Not saying to create some new system, but there must be a way to isolate drainage without relying solely on *Manufacture’s Strength*
We should be confident and consistent with our methods, while using the materials necessary- instead of being unsure and hoping that the material will *confidently* work.
That is my friend "old school" responsibility.
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That moment the customer thinks you can replace just the drain only and you think to yourself 'Oh crap, he thinks this will cost 1/30th of actual'
I understand being frustrated and trying to save money, but you can't tell a tile guy to take off a few tiles and fix it. Still only 5 minutes in, so we'll see where the video goes. I feel for the homeowner, but it has to be done right, and you've got the right guy on the job. Don't tell him how to fix it, let him tell you what needs to be done.
yeah i feel for these people.... but when he said that i thought what? how are you gonna tell him! When you called isaac for professional guidance. he also acted like all tile guys cant do plumbing because they got a terrible contractor to do work for probably dirt cheap.
100%. If you wanna save money, demo it and put in a fiberglass pan and surround, at least it is functional and done right.
@@danthegraniteman4702 exactly, I'm thinking he did that tile job. Not to be an asshole...but what tile contractor would tile over tile and reuse old plumbing??! I don't think that was done by a tile contractor.
real estate agents.....nuff said
@@jt5747 exactly!! Can we get this done for under 500 bucks?! Lmfao
Damn, feel bad for them. Hopefully some folks can chip in and help them out. Prayers sent
Maybe the guy needs a Go Fund for bathroom. I think it will do tight especially if he uses monies to help rebuild shower and help his wife.
thank you for the prayers I did the shower demo with a buddy. I will do the shower myself so I know it will be done right.
He's not that bad off. I'm assuming he got that done cheap. If so, he got 12 years out of a cheap repair, which isn't the worst thing in the world. Yeah sure, now he has to follow all the way through, but he just got away with over a decade of not doing this.
This guy is the primest diy candidate I've seen in a while though. Why not, he's aware of the concepts etc...
i would agree but i think he was under the illusion that it was more expensive seeing as he bought the tile guy ( hack) all the stuff to do it and they guy just put lipstick on a pig and took the money
Actually in hindsight I wish I did do it myself. Tile is not new to me. At the time I owned a couple Tile and Granite stores. I supplied the guy with a complete Schluter system. I wish I had paid a" little" money for that shower. Apparently the guy thought he was giving me such a great deal that he didn't actually have to do it right. At the time that was probably an $8,000 to 10k adventure.
Not to be that guy but ill be "THAT" guy and say that it seems like the homeowner wanted the cheapest cost of a remodel for that shower and when they gave him what he wanted its hard to say you get what you paid for. He said he's strap on cash but im sure he knew that he fucked up by going cheap on it and now its leaking and destroying the rest of the house he wants someone to come along and fix his poor decision for not investing in a proper shower remodel. Lesson here is that sure it looks great a year or two down the road but when you plan to live in that house for years to come your asking for it when you have to make these costly repairs that was caused by poor decisions.
P.S- My comment is my personal own opinion, I do not know for a fact this is what this homeowner did and do not know his story or history on his house but I've seen too many good people get taken advantage of in the trades when you finally get someone who cares and understands.
100%
Yeah he is a salesman, I have a feel that he hired a guy to do it on the cheap. Unlicensed and wants a freebie. If he is a homeowner who is strapped he needs to at least watch videos to do the work. I know that during times I was laid off I had to bust my arse to do my own work at home and I still work on my own home even though I am doing better. I hope you do not expend anymore of your time on this, give him a bucket Flex water proofing.
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Yeah, you could tell when he said Kurdi makes that kurdi patching in stuff. He wanted another quick fix. I get it. Shits super expensive right now. We just did a backsplash the other day and the tiles were $15 a piece!
@beekeepermariadelgado6806 agreed. some people don't know how damaging it can be when you cut corners. I'm scared for this generation of housebuyers if they don't learn from mistakes like these.
If shower is leaking why doesn’t he just file insuriance claim ,
The issue is most homeowners do not educate themselves on the basics of how it works... if the homeowner just checked in on them a few times, he would know there was an issue early on. Let's assume he is at work and is busy. Give them a call and ask if they can send you a photo of the progress. #1 red flag should have been the demo... where did all the broken tiles go if the tiles were supposed to be removed? Do they not have cameras in their home and check to see what happened with thr Schluter? I wonder if the homeowner simply did the work himself thinking he could just make it look nice. The fact he referred this tile guy to do othed peoples homes... what a horrible real estate agent he is. You cannot recommend bad workers to your own clients, man....
The install was 12 years ago, so smartphones were finally catching on but not universally used. And many of us don't have security cameras inside our home even today.
I agree how can you refer a guy like this? I am the owner and the real estate agent. At the time the home was being remodeled it was not occupied. No cameras. Also at the time we owned a couple tile & granite stores. When we referred this guy we had not only seen his work but also seen him do installs. We also provided all the materials including a Schluter system which he did not install. I screwed up we left the guy alone to do the work. As far as referring the guy it is like the Tile Coah said the shower looked like it was done right until it stared to leak.
Isaac, That's my old stompin ground. Stay off my turf!!! Just kidding ;)
Crap, I need to get that headlamp to you asap. And a decent flashlight.
Money is kinda tight....That's what fiberglass showers are for. Glenn Haege said the biggest tool in the toolbox is a checkbook.
Oh boy. I’m gonna have nightmares now. 😕
I bet the tile guy says that he has been doing them that way his whole life.
lord we pray to you Jesus to bless them with peace and guidance on this situation.. thank you lord Amen!
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Unfortunately, you should never use a realtors contractors. Those guys are good for getting a home sold, not making something last. Lipstick on pig artists
I hate those realtors who have Flipitis, wonder how many house he flipped.
I do flooring and I see installers all the time do stupid things and when I point it out to them, their response is always " I never had problem doing it". Well of course you haven't, because the customers feel contacting the one who caused the damage by not following installation gilde lines is pointless. As stich1960 stated, "do it right or pay to do it twice."
He probably gave him the 5-5 guarantee...its guaranteed 5 minutes or until he's 5 feet away
Nope it's called a brake light warranty. When u see my brake lights after finishing the job the warranty is Up
Look at the walls. Lips, uneven grout lines. That was done by someone with zero effs to give.
Funny thing Issac said it looked good that was no pro doing that shower
The tile guy did what that homeowner was willing to pay for. His finances were probably low 12 years ago, too. I feel bad for the guy a little.
At the time I owned 2 tile stores and supplied the materials for the job including the Schluter System which he obviously did not install. The tile guy got paid well.
I’ve pulled up a shower from the 80’s up with that tarpaper stuff and it just crumbled in your fingers.
This is so sad, I'm a general contractor here in az,,, I see this kinda crap all the time here. People are so obsessed with saving a dollar at the rate of hiring guys who do this kinda work it makes me not want to keep trying
Saving a dollar? You make it sound like people have the money but don't want to spend it. What they do is call in a guy even though they know they can't affort it and say what can you do for me at this price point.
That's the problem, when homeowners dictate what the project should cost,,,who's the professional at that point ?!
@@jeffpope8014 What is Zero Minus Zero? Nuth'in. If you quote a price and the customer can't pay it then you have two choices. 1. Walk away with nuth'in, 2. Come to an arrangement. Ie. credit, price reduction or adjust the service you want to provide. But what you can't do is make the owner magically have the money. The home owner has an obligation to himself to negotiate for the best terms. That is business. You either will or your won't.
I build showers in Wichita, I've come across some hokie stuff on tearout. Nothing like that. Every homeowner has the right to cancel work at anytime!
U get what pay for
Oh as a realtor he knew exactly what he was getting. You get what you get. Experienced realtors know who the good contractors are. Know all the horror stories and know who the bad contractors are. He chose to save money. He knew what he was getting into
If moneys tight I'd say quit using that shower
I love these videos this one blew my mind tho
Lasted for 12 years? Not bad. He probably hired the cheapest guy so he got his money’s worth. Can’t expect a cheap install to last forever. Issac is a tile guy and he does plumbing…. What’s the difference?
I thought who calls a tile guy for a leaking shower drain
@@kregar14 Actually the drain was working just fine…It was leaking around the drain because there was no waterproofing. Even though the tile guy reused the old cast iron drain, the water wasn’t leaking from the plumbing. The leak was in the shower system, not the plumbing system.
I put ditra over tile in a basement before and tiled over it but I’d never do that in a shower.
I came across a real mess they used kerdi as a (rubber pan liner)
Fixing other peoples shit, tough way to make a living
That shower looks horrible 😮
He must have told the unlicensed tile guy “go cheap” he looks well fed for a poor man.
@beekeepermariadelgado6806 Agreed. He owns at least a dozen properties that he's renting. Those are the type of people who have millions but keep crying that they are barely surviving 😂
I guarantee that owner was the one that tiled over the old tile!
When " Awesome" actually means WTF.. feel sorry for this guy,
I get the sense that the homeowner did it himself ( or his wife)
My wife and I owned Tile and granite stores at the time. She did a pretty nice job with the slate floors. Sadly I wish I had done it myself. We supplied all of the materials including the Schluter System which he did not install. He was a licensed Tile contractor.
@@brucepflieger7212 Where is he now?
I have a feeling he got that installer from fb marketplace lol
Witch one of you guys in the comments did this?
ohhh zee schluterless showaa . crazy how they just slapped a ton of thinset and stone on it and called it a day
Bad drain placement especially to be running into a joist, would of had to run from that one
The homeowner real estate agent did this mess. How many agents are quick to at they will demo themselves. NONE😅
Kinda sounds like something a certain company would do, you know the one that puts their product over existing stuff... Starts with an R and ends with bath...
The high cost of living in California this homeowner wants it done cheaply. It's hard in NJ, to find any legitimate contractors who would do repairs. I just got used to DYI or paying someone to do it wrong & leak! I got burnt underwater in the late eighties in real estate at 23 yo.
Funny how moneys always tight, even when its rolling in...... I refuse to half ass on jobs, they will always come back to bite you...
The second I laid eyes on the homeowner.....I knew exactly what was coming. starts out by saying his WIFE layed the floor slate?! right! he's just priming the pump. his wife lays the floor buy HE hired someone to do the shower??? 20 yrs ago this "homeowner" laid the rock over the tile himself. his wife came down with cancer that quickly progressed & now they or he is ready to, or needs to move and he/they need to sell the house asap. so before he has a relator come pick the place apart he needs someone to come unscrew the disastrous micro shower he & his wife created years ago. tile guy my are!!! And oh yeah, he just noticed, right before Tilecoach got there that the door just started rubbing. can't stand gutless people like this. He could have said... Hey man, I did this job 20 yrs ago, I need to sell & I'm not able to do the work myself anymore. how much will it cost to fix this up? I hope TileCoach walk on this one.
I am reading in the comments and some of you people either contract in plush and prosperous communities or you don't actually don't contract work nor even solicit for contractors to do work for you. First of all prices for materials are up 400% . All the contractors are up to their necks in job requests so they and charging premium prices as well. So the quotes are very high. Alot of guys are doing stuff like taking down payments for other jobs while they are on another job or two. And when they accept a job they only want to take a job that they can get in and out of quickly. They want a $2500 in one day type work. But if your job problematic you can't pay them $5000.00 to get in tangled with a problem. . So for that reason a $5000 bathroom job will not fly any more. But the flip side of that is that nobody has $12,000 just laying around these days.
I'm only about half way through the video an it's starting to look like the home owner himself tiled that man. You need to be a little careful how you criticize the work😂
This guy knows too much. Its not telling the truth. Must be a "not admitted" DIY hack.
Looks like a job from Starr tile
Take out bottom row and redo it