MY SHOWER FLOOR IS CRACKED!!! Can it be repaired???
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Cracked tiles on a shower pan are usually the result of a poor installation. If there is wood that has gotten wet under the shower, the swelling lumber can cause cracking in the tile and grout. This is why a waterproofing layer is so important underneath tile shower pans.
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Glad to see you asking for safety gear. So many channels I watch, the creators think they are bullet proof. Currently building a shower and I've learned a lot from your content.
I had a customer that was in financial hardship and had the same issue. I told them i'll try something to get this working but no guarantees and only pay for the new tile since i had the other material. The supporting flooring lumber was in good shape. I removed the existing drain and drain body; applied Redgard liquid membrane over scarified clean tile, 2" up the wall surround and inside the drain hole; applied a 2" mortar bed over the tile pitched to center drain; applied a second layer of redgard then tiled the flooring and portion of the wall with modified thinset. I'm in NY and the basement height was about 7'H. That's what i did 9 years ago and it still fine. I would never recommend this repair but it worked
Coach
You’re unbelievable
I’m learning so much from your videos that it’s going to save me a lot of money on two shower upgrades in my house
God bless
In the San Francisco Bay Area in the 60's I can't ever remember seeing any showers with sloped shower pans or even pebbles around the weep holes. Most of the pans were hot mops and at best the hot moppers might try and slope their tar a little bit. But as time went on and codes became more stringent and the need for improvements became evident new products appeared such as hot mop slope boards along with an array of other new innovations in shower pans. So this shower pan does not surprise me but I am amazed there is no water damaged wood. Thanks for all the great videos, 52 years of setting tile and I am still learning! lol😀
Wow 52 years good for you!
Everyone is amazed..well if your bathroom has a chance to go through a wet dry cycle...and mortar is sloped properly...this is a testament to what can be done....meanwhile every manufacturer and contractor wants to sell you the newest... membranes, curb material... waterproofing...new plumbing.....I can tell you this that those floor joist are to one side..of the load bearing beam, creating alot of deflection on that concrete mortar pan.....big bucks Wendy....👍 Thanks tile coach
My exact problem! Spare shower rarely used cracked when it started getting daily use. Going to tear it all out and either do it myself or hire somebody. Thank you Issaic for the knowledge you are teaching us.
My house was built in 1964, when I ripped the original shower out, the only waterproofing was a 1mil plastic sheet under the mortar bed. Needless to say the water damage was extensive. I had to replace every sill plate in the bathroom, luckily it was slab on grade so I didn’t have any subfloor damage.
I've seen some old ones bone dry with tar paper lead liner old mud float
My house was built in 1962. I had a similar setup in a shower that I replaced earlier this year in a big bathroom remodel job. From the looks of that wood that shower didn't get used much.
Interesting to see the different home construction methods throughout the country. Here in South Florida we have concrete slabs mostly so we wouldn’t see issues like this (but certainly other kinds).
Here in the UK resin shower trays are quite common. It's just moulded concrete/stone with resin bonded to the top that slopes up to form a lip like a very shallow bath. They're about inch and and a half deep and completely water proof. They come with adjustable legs or some just sit on a bed of sand and cement. When they're fitted you just need silicon between the tray and walls. Really easy to use. A tray would have fitted easily on this job without any other waterproofing.
I'm in Florida and our tile shower was leaking out into the garage through the slab, it appears they just put the tiles right on the slab in a step down shower. I haven't found anything about that kind of shower on youtube yet. We re-caulked everything really well and it stopped leaking but the thing is in bad shape at 18 yrs old.
TC you know your stuff but I do hope that you've done additional support from underneath to those existing subfloor planks. They are definitely flexing! Especially under all the weight of old-school float walls, mud bed plus the weight of a person in that shower. That is the reason why floor cracked in a such particular cross pattern from wall to curb all the way and from other wall to wall across. Am curious to see if you'll have a followup video. 💪
Yea I think it would just crack again down the road when it weakens and flex’s more.
There used to be a pan liner made out of that material . its probably around the 60s era. I've torn out several in North Carolina. Its like a paper with a tar and fibrous material.
Hope you get the job. Wendy is good looking too. Love the wallpaper
“I’ve never seen anything like this” then turns around and say “typically when we see this there’s more water damage” 😂 contractors ALWAYS have the same script 😂 😂😂
Woulda been something to crawl all the way from the other side of the house, just to go by another opening right there 😂
Waiting until you got back into the house to take off your filthy hoodie was a power move. Also. You jacked bro.
Lol, I laughed at him doing that too.
That’s some really cool wallpaper!
I would expect seasonal expansion/contraction of the 2x subfloor, even in your climate. Up here in the PNW, we will watch our soffit and siding material move like crazy as the seasons change. Cedar, pine, fir.. it all expands and contracts. We can install a t&g soffit with zero gaps in the winter, and when summer comes around we will see 1/16” gaps everywhere.
My first shower project is coming up and I’ve decided to use either 3/4 MDO or a marine ply under the foam pan.
Remember, 3/4 CDX ply is designed to be laid with 1/8” gap’s between sheets, to allow for seasonal expansion and contraction. I don’t know enough about shower pans to say whether or not this is an issue, but it certainly cannot be a variable that works to the installers advantage.
Check out AdvanTech 23/32-in x 4-ft x 8-ft OSB (Oriented Strand Board) Subfloor
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Except the masks fog up after 5 minutes.
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What about doing tile over tile?
These are the videos I like., the challenges .
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That was how it was done in that time. Tar paper and really well mixed Portland cement and sand.
I’m liking the lotus sweatshirt!!
awesome video and honest opinion.
"I'm just weird" Isaac- no comment 🤣
This was an amazing install I would love to see any shower that you have built last this long no way this was done 100 percent, 45 years old lmao.
Issac is the man!
My house was built in 1957 and had the same tile, mud cap, and float.... that curb was thicc
We have house built in the early 70ies. The shower walls in the tub were put directly on the drywall. It was used every day by 2 children until 2000. The grout at the tub failed and the tiles got soft at the bottom. I replaced it with a fiberglass tub and shower unit. Were you able to see if the walls had deteriorated.
So did you end up doing this work? Looking forward to your videos.
Older houses with a plank subfloor used felt paper on the entire floor, that's not for waterproofing it's a vapor barrier. They counted on the tile being waterproof.
What do you do about the possibility of asbestos in the tiles/mortar? In Canada it wasn't banned until 1990 (in the tiles).
I would love to see the reno on this shower! Does she live in Citrus Heights? It looks just like my bathroom with the T&G boards. How would you do the shower pan and curb on t&g planks like that?
The fact the crawl space is that free and that there's virtually no waterproofing is why there's no rot. Rot happens when there's something soaking it and it doesn't breathe, the fact half of these planks were in an areated crawlspace was this owner's saving grace. If they were in between floors with insulation, it would've been a nightmare.
I agree...OSB, plywood, particle board, or insulation would have made this a whole different scenario.
And the information from the homeowner that the shower probably hasn't been used since as far back as the 1980s when leaks or cracks were first observed. This total lack of shower use for 20-40 years probably helped considerably in the lack of long-term water damage. 🙂
The felt was used as an uncoupling membrane. In the era that this shower was built, a copper or rubber pan, integrated into the floor drain was used. No waterproofing was used, other than quality cement work, tile work and grouting.
I would bet that it was a guest bedroom and the bathroom was rarely used - the reason for lack of mold. Since you're in the Bay Area, perhaps it was seismic activity that cracked it; making them use the bath even less.
It looks older to me.. 60's to 70's at least. I have an original shower about that size in a master bed/bath from 1959... And a full bathroom that I'm curently putting back together that was also original. The fixtures, valve handles, all that look the same. American Standard model. Poured floors for leveling bathroom floor, on top of tar paper with chicken wire. The tile was embedded into the surface of the poured floor which was over an inch thick in places. There was no removing that tile, the floor had to be ripped out completely. The shower in the master/bed bath has a lead liner though, unlike the one in this video and we still use it daily and it has never leaked... 65 or 66 years old. Tile directly onto cement board and old school grout.
Are tile shower's better on a house built with a slab Foundation? Or should i just do a 1 piece prefab, after watching your videos I am scared of doing a tile shower.
They knew how to waterproof showers in the 1960s. This was done on the cheap by someone that didn't know what they were doing. Aside from the lack if waterproofing with the pan, the pan was put in after the wall tile.
You need to realize that water proofing has come a long way in 45 years, we didn't have a whole bunch of options back then.
The cracks are the only Problem. Of course now we have water proofing materials, but back than the shower was fine without all the plastic stuff we use today. The shower worked perfekt until it broke.
Question for the tile coach: My sister just bought a house of the same era, has the same 2x6 floor boards. They are installed on the entire house foundation which is the same as well, 4x6 girders 4ft on center, on posts sunk into concrete piers. Here is my question: What would one have to do to make this subfloor stable enough for tile floors? I was thinking of placing similar 4x6 girders the other direction and then hanging 2x6 floor joists on 14 or 16 inch centers. ????
Exactly! Or you can do double 2x6's from girder to girder and then hang a single 2x6 in between them. 24" oc is sufficient. Then use 5/8" plywood on top, then uncouping membrane on that.
I was looking for Mosaic tile yesterday for a client. I stumbled across a bbw mermaid Mosaic... Why would they even make that haha 😂 something for everyone I guess 🤷♂️😂
i believe this was a closet at first and the shower was added . That collar attaching the drain looks newer than 1959
Someone probably just replaced the old rusted galvanized plumbing to be able to sell the house old galvanized if it sits unused for a while will shed scale and clog up when it starts getting used again
That 2 x1-1/2 adapter no hub band didn't look to old...
Maybe I’m way off, but my first hunch was 1990’s. The shower was tiled around the vanity top, and the top doesn’t look overly retro.
Fix it for her, and show us the repair 😎
Hope you charged her for your time and consultation and probably right will go with cheapest bid
Nobody was presloping then. And the only waterproofing would have been a pan liner.
Tripping wallpaper
So.. how much did u charge for that.? We need that information to know if we are competitive
How do you get these gigs tile coach? Do you charge the customer for your demo work?
People reach out to me via email or tilecoach.com submissions. I offer to do the demo and investigation for free in exchange for allowing me to make an educational video and a chance to get awarded the repair/replace work.
@@TileCoach Interesting.. On average, how many ask you to do the repair versus not?
@@TileCoach right on, ✅️ it's nice that you're able to afford to do that although I'm sure it really helps you to win those jobs, and I really appreciate the educational content and your independence in providing that. I learned on my own doing the pvc liner system which I was always worried about failing and have since changed to doing flofx universal, mud pan with kerdi overlapping the flange 2.5", then encased the whole thing in hydroban. I gained the knowledge to adopt this system by learning from your videos and it makes me way more confident in doing shower installs.
I call those showers in that kinda shape the "frag out"
I don't like it, but it's gotta be done, and then you do it. That's when you know that this guy is determined to fix it right the first time. Todays world, that work ethic has been disappearing at an alarming rate.
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No it isn't. You're just not paying people enough to care about doing the work in the first place.
I demoed a shower once that had roll roofing on the walls and floor. I would guess it was from the 40s
No shower pan? Dang hack work upstairs😅
Good advantage to be 1st floor. 2nd floor that leak would show immediately.
Do you take your mask off for the camera? They do make a huge difference around mold and insulation?
At first I was expecting a lead pan
Someone get Isaac a headlamp.
Yes please! Send to 4447 Granite Dr. Rocklin CA 95677
@@TileCoach lol. I will drop it off in person when I get back from Idaho.
Now you’re gonna get like a dozen of them 😂
@@MoneyManHolmes I will get him a good one, like an petzl, and 5 shit ones.
Anything I’ve ever ripped out from that vintage had a lead pan
Don’t Go with the cheapest Guy Wendy! Go with Tile Coach! Would love to see an update on this video to see if she goes with you and what you would do!
Looks like the shower drain wasn’t properly supported by the subfloor. Maybe someone was cutting out old pipe and didn’t properly support the shower drain, and that caused the break.
my original shower was exactly like that and built in 1978 , as an add on, but it had a rubber shower pan so looks like whoever did that shower just used what they had
Weird wallpaper, hate wallpaper in bathrooms but that is her preference.
I’m from Baltimore Maryland and yes we do got basements but we also have crawlspaces too and a lot of our counties unless it’s a add-on or an addition bathroom we only got about between 12 inches maybe 18 if the house was done correctly or it’s not a old house from the mill area in Northwest Baltimore and old historic Camden😮 they got some shades in the back of the yard up there that people built around that were old outhouses that they’ve excavated and turned into toilets and powder rooms, but it’s like why can’t some shit be a little bit easier I’m thankful I’m only 165 pounds and I’m 5 foot eight muscular build but I’m smaller than you and my little ass gets up in the areas but I got the other day try to give me a shoebox opening next to a gas meter and I’m like how do I get pipe wrenches in there and my little arms, God bless what you’re doing brother I need to check out the full video of that house you went back to. I started to watch it and I lost it where it was like one of your first jobs and the material off the factory drain edge failed.!! it’s Man you go back and reevaluate it and look how you do things a lot different and better!!! I wish you a lot of luck in this year of 24 and safety along with it bro all the way from Baltimore city
Tar paper on the subfloor and a mud pack. That’s the way it used to be done.
100% full gut... i wouldn't even offer a repair on that 40 year old shower.
Does it look to anyone else that the coupling on the drain looks newer than 1959? Looks like someone was doing something in there at some point.
I should have lead pan or shower liner
I would have put some caulking in there. 🙃
She's definitely going with the cheapest bid
Holy smokes, the shower area its so small, can't even fit a cat there.. lol
That's how it was done back in the 70s
I don’t go over or under a house. I’m not a professional for hire though.
She’s going with the cheapest bid. Don’t do it Wendy.
I really doubt it, she obviously watches the videos if she e-mailed him to come out and give an inspection.
I gave a lady a bid to fix her shower. She tried to low ball me. I said no thanks. She got the lowest bidder. He destroyed the shower. She called me to fix it. I gave her a higher bid. She accepted.
@travisk5589 we see it all the time lol
Cheap labor isn’t skilled and skilled labor isn’t cheap!
The cheapest bid in California is probably $20k to repair it, lol
What about using that old bs as your "foundation" membrane over that then new thin set and grout and title on top. Raising it just 1/4" 1/2", gut the middle for a new drain??
thats one small shower...big house lil shower lol
Dude , you need to invest in a good set of coveralls.
@suspicionofdeceitlol. I’m not going under there unless I were wearing coveralls. It keeps the bugs and dirt off you and keeps them from starting a new family in your home.
Just fill the cracks with clear silicone. 😂
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Lol. Sorry. Took a nap. As a contractor in a previous life, it blows my mind how much attention the trades are now getting. Makes me happy.
Haha. I was trying to figure out if that was an insult or a compliment. Yes, the trades are where its at!!!@@briandesilets8425
Id say that shower wasnt used much at all, she said the main one is nearby
That looks to be a 50's or early 60's shower.
this shower was built in the 70s or 80s, wendy how old is this house its built in 59.. see zack i was right lol hahha... sorry i had too. lol
I hate water damage
OMG! This shower was built in the 60's-70's.... Possible insurance Restoration later in the showers life.
Felt board 50 60,
Maybe tear out two rows around bottom, tearout shower floor and curb , brick curb , new shower pan water test mud floor 4x4 around bottom of walls 2x2 sheet tile on shower floor and red qaurd or hydro ban that going to cost hopfully that sub floor not rotted. Ugly😮 dang
Definitely could have been redone. Just wasn't enough money in the job for him to do the floor over!
No, he would do it. The difference in price wouldn’t be worth it for her to just do the pan and lower 3 rows.
bro you can't just do the floor, you have to go up a foot at least to contain the water, and the curb has to be replaced. And he pointed out the fixtures are about shot and now's the time to replace them. the tile hasn't been made in 50 years. it makes zero sense to patch it up.
I vote for putting a new layer of roofing paper down and a concrete bed and tile and it will last another 50 years. whats the problem??
Drop in a pre fab base, Slicone and jobs done.
Yeah, don't go into the tile trade, it's not for you
Crawl spaces don’t breathe enough to avoid rot. Only explanation is that this is a two-shower suite. The smaller shower must have gotten used less, and once cracked, not at all… for years.
I'm just scrolling these comments and saw your user name and pic and thought to myself that guy looks familiar. Turns out it's Travis Burch! Small world. But I agree with your comment once it cracked it wasn't used (unlike my shower that leaked for 4 yrs).
it did last decades tho
1960’s
I thought at first that lady wasn't wearing pants and it was tattoos i was looking at. 😮
Easily a $25,000 repair
NO $6500TOPS
Yikes
This is such bullshit.. This shower dont need to be ripped out. You can repair this shower with some fine print in your contract. Why would you have to rip out anything above the 12 to 18inches is beyond me