this is revisionist history. Kendrick was already seen as the next big thing in 2011 before GKMC even dropped, as soon as he signed onto Aftermath/Interscope, since the success of the self-titled EP, Overly Dedicated and Section.80 got the rap world's attention. GKMC was highly highly anticipated, for being a major studio debut album. Because Kendrick was already a known quantity by that point. Maybe not in mainstream, but certainly in hip hop. That's why he could make a Control and it makes waves. If Kendrick was just a total upstart with 2 albums, no one would have reacted like they did to that verse.
What I learned from all this beef is, kenny used his talent to fight with different flows, weird ass voice, a bunch of adlibs he keep it raw till now even on stage performance, Aubrey used social media, Ai and autotune
Moved a couple thousand is hilarious knowing that TDE released it on iTunes. You'd never get those actual numbers, but even at that time im sure he did more than a couple thousand units.
Not in terms of mainstream popularity. Thats his point. He was a notch below those guys. By the time Damn came out, he was on the same tier popularity wise
@@mackstacks8913 dont agree. Game, dre and snoop crowned him king of west coast before gkmc and swimming pools was his biggest hit even after damn. Not once have i heard like he was ounching up when control verse came out. Till this guy.
I don’t think traditional rapping went away. I just think the more of the girls are rapping traditionally. I know people only want to attribute that to Nicki Minaj, but I’m sure they were also influenced by the rappers mentioned on the Control verse.
Drake was seen as the top (below the elder statesmen like Jay, Ye, and Weezy) but kendrick got himself up in that tier of rapper with the GKMC release in 2012. J Cole wasn’t on their tier really til 2014 because Born Sinner came out in ‘13 and had some hits but was widely seen as a disappointment. Cole was fighting on the Wale tier until FHD
See how happy you are in this, Chuck? You're glowing in the way only someone doing what they know they're meant to be doing-and killing it-can. You're not "the most controversial Midnight Boy" (pew pew) - people are annoyed because in the last few months, you swapped the guy in this video for one who forgot that just being a contrarian for contrarian's sake does not make one insightful or interesting. The good news is you're just going through your emo phase late, and that's okay! It's easy to fix: understand how just referring to yourself as "the most controversial one" in this sums up the whole thing entirely. I bet Van can break that down with the wisdom I sure don't have, and probably with a relevant story from his youth that I'm already jealous I won't get to hear. It's not about what you're for or against; it's the reasoning, or lack thereof, behind it. Which you know, which is why you're great at what you do when you actually do it. See above. ....but I ain't one to gossip, so you ain't heard that from me.
I have to hard disagree, about lemar being special with his debut album coming up. man on the moon was huge, I listened to it on repeat every day when it came out. Until this day it's one of my favourite music albums period.
5:31 What is classic about that . 🤷♂️😂 seem like unprompted temper tantrum. All props to Kendrick but … I’m not buying it However poetic his messages or side rant . He was a feature then he was a feature now. As far as celebrity’s That’s Kanye, that’s Eminem slim shady , that’s As far as sounds pockets Like Lil Wayne Future Young thug If his competition was the legends than why didn’t he diss the legends than. Why go after jcole drake and Tyler Mac Miller wale an odd bunch ??? Big Sean started that song off on a note of control of gaining spiritual self awareness , self clarity of his life predicament, gaining control over what he could control in his song his life values to take away from going through life. Kendrick just hijacked the song the plane. I get Kendrick just always itching for a moment today try impress people with his lyrics by trying drop control verses or like that verses. But I’m not impressed by control or like that …. That’s all well and said , but i appreciate gkmc bag more personally , i appreciate mmtbs bag more personally. There are critics to everything Can’t have your cake and eat it too. It’s cool though , end of the day . That’s how he wanted to play it.
Chuck my guy do you like listen to newer music or anyone besides Drake and Cole? You acting like JID or Joey Bada$$ are not part of the new age of hip hop/rap.
Joey is closer to the Kendrick, Drake, and Cole era. JID is a new generation, but I think what the guy means is that folks who rap like JID aren't very appreciated in this era, not that literally no one is rapping like them.
The control verse was when we found out the drizzler was a sensitive fu**
this is revisionist history. Kendrick was already seen as the next big thing in 2011 before GKMC even dropped, as soon as he signed onto Aftermath/Interscope, since the success of the self-titled EP, Overly Dedicated and Section.80 got the rap world's attention. GKMC was highly highly anticipated, for being a major studio debut album. Because Kendrick was already a known quantity by that point. Maybe not in mainstream, but certainly in hip hop. That's why he could make a Control and it makes waves. If Kendrick was just a total upstart with 2 albums, no one would have reacted like they did to that verse.
💯🎯📠 summed up perfectly 🤌🏾
Exactly! Cause Kendrick pretty much did the same thing in "Monster Freestyle" but that was in 2010, prior to GKMC, when Kendrick wasn't as well known.
Charles was like what, 18 at the time?
I like this authentic version of Charles. More of this, please.
GKMC made him a superstar... what is this dude talking about.
Still top 200! 💪🏽
Bringing in Charles to talk about hating. A+
That marissa tomei shirt is fire
What I learned from all this beef is, kenny used his talent to fight with different flows, weird ass voice, a bunch of adlibs he keep it raw till now even on stage performance, Aubrey used social media, Ai and autotune
Great analysis 🙌🏿
Loving these style of videos
Finally....a dork who was 17 y/o at the time this came out is here to tell us how much it matters to the culture.
"im gonna retire and listen to hyperpop" is killing me lmao
Bring back Chuck's music show!
Actually trust what Chuck knows what he's talking about here!
Moved a couple thousand is hilarious knowing that TDE released it on iTunes. You'd never get those actual numbers, but even at that time im sure he did more than a couple thousand units.
LETS GO CHARLES!
Nah, kendrick was in discussion with jcole and drake before control. Weird revisionism
Exactly! I was like what is buddy talking about
Facts...I had him there after section 80
Not in terms of mainstream popularity. Thats his point. He was a notch below those guys. By the time Damn came out, he was on the same tier popularity wise
@@mackstacks8913 dont agree. Game, dre and snoop crowned him king of west coast before gkmc and swimming pools was his biggest hit even after damn. Not once have i heard like he was ounching up when control verse came out. Till this guy.
Can I get a version of this w/o the cornball background instrumentals?
Keep Hip Hop history alive 👏🏿 good work
More!!!!
Charles gotta come on Yo! That’s My Jawn an’ chop it up about music fr!
The Marisa Tomei graphic t is wild when talking about hip hop 😂
Mad respect Charles 🙏
Hell yeah
I'm sorry, but J Cole was not more poppin than Kendrick in 2013.
Both Big Seans and Jay Electronica verses still go hard. KDot killed the track tho.
what’s with the background music?
Let’s go we got the coke baby in the chair
I thought my man Coke Baby was having a stroke at 6:32
This is tough
I don’t think traditional rapping went away. I just think the more of the girls are rapping traditionally. I know people only want to attribute that to Nicki Minaj, but I’m sure they were also influenced by the rappers mentioned on the Control verse.
Drake was seen as the top (below the elder statesmen like Jay, Ye, and Weezy) but kendrick got himself up in that tier of rapper with the GKMC release in 2012. J Cole wasn’t on their tier really til 2014 because Born Sinner came out in ‘13 and had some hits but was widely seen as a disappointment. Cole was fighting on the Wale tier until FHD
See how happy you are in this, Chuck? You're glowing in the way only someone doing what they know they're meant to be doing-and killing it-can.
You're not "the most controversial Midnight Boy" (pew pew) - people are annoyed because in the last few months, you swapped the guy in this video for one who forgot that just being a contrarian for contrarian's sake does not make one insightful or interesting. The good news is you're just going through your emo phase late, and that's okay! It's easy to fix: understand how just referring to yourself as "the most controversial one" in this sums up the whole thing entirely.
I bet Van can break that down with the wisdom I sure don't have, and probably with a relevant story from his youth that I'm already jealous I won't get to hear.
It's not about what you're for or against; it's the reasoning, or lack thereof, behind it. Which you know, which is why you're great at what you do when you actually do it. See above.
....but I ain't one to gossip, so you ain't heard that from me.
I love this response cause yes.
I have to hard disagree, about lemar being special with his debut album coming up. man on the moon was huge, I listened to it on repeat every day when it came out. Until this day it's one of my favourite music albums period.
I'd rather hear Steve talk about rap
This guy doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about 🤦🏾♂️ put more respect on k dot’s name
Imagine thinking rap “ended” in 2012 and not mentioning a single female rapper that’s killing it in 2024. Embarrassing lmao
Its weird how the NBA climate matched the rap climate competition wise pre-kendrick... way too friendly
Kobe himself said he sees Kendrick like himself
I was thinking the same thing as who will be the next big thing after these guys are gone...... Even the females it's getting worse
*sigh*
Aight
5:31
What is classic about that . 🤷♂️😂 seem like unprompted temper tantrum.
All props to Kendrick but … I’m not buying it
However poetic his messages or side rant .
He was a feature then he was a feature now.
As far as celebrity’s
That’s Kanye, that’s Eminem slim shady , that’s
As far as sounds pockets
Like
Lil Wayne
Future
Young thug
If his competition was the legends than why didn’t he diss the legends than.
Why go after jcole drake and Tyler Mac Miller wale an odd bunch ???
Big Sean started that song off on a note of control of gaining spiritual self awareness , self clarity of his life predicament, gaining control over what he could control in his song his life values to take away from going through life.
Kendrick just hijacked the song the plane.
I get Kendrick just always itching for a moment today try impress people with his lyrics by trying drop control verses or like that verses.
But I’m not impressed by control or like that …. That’s all well and said , but i appreciate gkmc bag more personally , i appreciate mmtbs bag more personally.
There are critics to everything
Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
It’s cool though , end of the day . That’s how he wanted to play it.
Chuck my guy do you like listen to newer music or anyone besides Drake and Cole? You acting like JID or Joey Bada$$ are not part of the new age of hip hop/rap.
Joey is closer to the Kendrick, Drake, and Cole era. JID is a new generation, but I think what the guy means is that folks who rap like JID aren't very appreciated in this era, not that literally no one is rapping like them.
What are we even talking about
The song Control mf it's in the title
Keep up Kevin.
You’re not like us
Shhhhh. Go home dawg
There’s an interloper in our midst.
Section 80 was his debut album
Kendrick’s always referred to it as a mixtape and gkmc as his first album
Mixtape
@@smilezup no it was a studio album under TDE
yup, GKMC is a major label debut, but not his debut album
@@AllTheArtsy yeah the difference is the label deal, he signed with Interscope and aftermath.