St. Patrick's Bad Analogies
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2013
- The problem with using analogies to explain the Holy Trinity is that you always end up confessing some ancient heresy.
Let the patron saint of the Irish show you what I'm talking about. 
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There are very few opportunities in life to force a Voltron reference into the mouth of a grumpy, fictional 5th Irish peasant. Please don't take this away from me.
It's only the best of reasons. (And one of the reasons I rewatch this about once every few months.)
You are 100% valid as I am a Voltron fan and lost it at that point. Good video!
I was undone when I heard it!!! Loved it!
Ah, Voltron, how I've missed thee!
I love that you referenced Voltron before the Netflix series made it popular.
Hearing an Irishman with a cartoonishly thick accent say "giant robot samurai" will never get old. Ever.
And, I'm gonna stab you in the face ain't bad either
@@roryclarkrorykiernanp.clar9065 I say the phrase "I'm gonna stab you in the face, Patrick!" in my normal life sometimes. Love that one too!
@@OldTimeyDragonSame here😂
I just want you to know that this video is the only reason a whole lot of people can spot anti-trinitarian heresies.
wait, this video helps spot heresies, instead of destroying the absurd idea of the trinity in itself?
@@changstein Is it destroyed because it is absurd? How else should a supernatural transcendent God be perceived by conscious dirt people?
@@SuberDuberUberEvan God gave us the scriptures to understand Him - where it clearly states that God is One and is above all - and that this same God sent His Son to die for sin.
Never once do these scriptures say that God and His Son are the same being - in fact, it tells the exact opposite; "for the Father is greater than I" - Jesus in John 14:28
@@changstein Have you not read? Jesus also said, "I am the way and the truth and the life, none come to the Father except through me" John 14:6
Jesus also said, “Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist” Matthew 11:11
Jesus is clearly greater than John the Baptist, or was Jesus claiming John was greater? Or is Jesus not "born of women"?
In Mark 1, Jesus also worked on the sabbath, the Pharisees claimed he was blaspheming, Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
Jesus also said in Mark 2, "Rise, and take your bed, your sins are forgiven", for the Son of God has the authority to heal and forgive sins.
What man has all the Authority and Lordship of God and yet isn't God? How do you reconcile this?
@@SuberDuberUberEvan I am actually slightly incredulous at your response here - not once have you even come close to justifying the trinity.
God created and deigned His only Son, Christ, to be Lord of of all things. From God comes all things, yet God gave authority to His Son, Jesus, to reign over these "all things". This is really new testament 101.
We just had our Trinity Sunday "modalism/arayanism" sermon, and my mother and sister and I kept leaning over to each other and whispering "Oh, Patrick..."
One of my pastors quoted this video during his sermon this year
Homeschooled?
For folks like me who can't listen fast...."The Trinity is a mystery which cannot be comprehended by human reason but is understood only through faith and is best confessed in the words of the Athanasian Creed, which states that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity, neither confusing the Persons nor dividing the substance, that we are compelled by the Christian truth to confess that each distinct Person is God and Lord, and that the deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coequal in majesty." Thanks Hans.
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thanks !
So it's a incoherent mess that you just have to blindly believe in despite the fact that it's nature violates the law of identity and conventional logic is that objects that violate the law of identity do not exist, since there is no entity that is not itself. 2+2 must equal 5.
@@gregorymckenna2727 by your logic simple quantum mechanics is an incoherent mess because it violates what we perceive to be simple logic tests. I mean heisenberg uncertainty in many ways doesn't agree with conventional logic but you don't see me running up to Niels bohr screaming at him to denounce quantum theory as heresy. The rules of logic apply to what our simple human ape brains are able to conceive of the world around us and largely have to do with their utility in everyday life. It isn't generally advantageous for someone to believe in Heisenberg uncertainty because it doesn't help your everyday life to believe that something can exist in two separate locations at the same time so for most of human history that concept would have been regarded as illogical. Similarly, it does not help our everyday lives to understand how one thing can also simultaneously be three distinct and independent things so simply we don't, and because it has no utility (and may in fact be disadvantageous to understand it because it would break many of the other logical laws that you need to have to orient yourself in the world and function in it) we regard the concept as illogical. Tl;dr: our tiny ape brains are limited to that which we can perceive and what we can make sense of is limited to what we can utilize for our own advantage, so because of that inherent limitation on human thought and perception it's impossible for us to understand the trinity, like how it's impossible for a human to imagine a space with 4 distinct dimensions simultaneously and to grasp the concept, we have to collapse the 4d space into 3d space even though a computer does not have to do this.
@@johnmcauliffe8824 @John McAuliffe " by your logic simple quantum mechanics is an incoherent mess because it violates what we perceive to be simple logic tests."
No? While quantum physics may seem weird and counterintuitive, it has ultimately found to be in compliance with classical logical. QM does shake up the linguistic choices we use when using logic to describe reality around us. For example, it forces us to completely rethink the concept of an object being "at a position in space." QM does not say that an object can be in two places at the same time in the way you or I might think of it.
The idea that quantum mechanics fundamentally challenges the rules of logic was popular for a while, but has fallen out of favor. Even the original proponents of "Quantum logic" moved away from their position in later years.
"I mean heisenberg uncertainty in many ways doesn't agree with conventional logic but you don't see me running up to Niels bohr screaming at him to denounce quantum theory as heresy."
Which would be weird, not just because Niels Bohr is dead or that to apply concepts like heresy to scientific principles is nuts, but because there is nothing illogical about not being able to know the location and momentum of a particle to the same degree of accuracy.
"It isn't generally advantageous for someone to believe in Heisenberg uncertainty because it doesn't help your everyday life to believe that something can exist in two separate locations at the same time so for most of human history that concept would have been regarded as illogical."
Ah, so you don't actually know what the uncertainty principle actually is. It is about the accuracy of knowledge of two features of an item (location and momentum), not about the items ACTUAL location or momentum. You have it confused with quantum superposition, and more specifically the popular misinterpretation of quantum superposition. The popular misinterpretation of superposition that it is about the same object being in two places may be peddled by many laymen books, but it is not what it actually says.
And while at first-glance, quantum superposition (i.e something being in more than one base state at the same time) might seem like a challenge to the rules of logic, by invalidating the law of non-contradiction, this is not the case. An electron in a superposition of spin |+> and spin |-> might seem like a contradiction, but it can simply be treated as being in a distinct third state of being "either |+> or |->".
Although talking about it that way, I wonder if one could apply a similar idea to the Trinity somehow. Then again, positing that the Trinity is a relation between multiple versions of the same object sounds a bit like Modalism too me. I'll have to consult with some people.
My wife told me that one of the worship leaders we listen to believes God reveals himself in 3 different ways but is one person and my immediate response was “Dats Modalism Patrick!” In my best Irish peasant accent. She’s never seen this video so she didn’t appreciate how great of a moment this was for me.
"And who confesses the heresy of partialism?"
"The first season of the cartoon Voltron, where five robot-lion cars merge together to form one giant robot samurai, obviously!"
The very fact that most of the comments are theological arguments and not remarking on this brilliant piece of comedy saddens me.
The Heresy of Combiner Robot Anime
Lolol
I was actually citing this to a friend at work this morning.
I think Emanuel Swedenborg was a partialist.
@@mitchellc4 Thats Arianism, Patrick!
Apparently this is being used regularly in Gordon College's Christian Theology course to talk about the Trinity. Keep up the good work!
And at least one of the professors at Wheaton College uses it!
Dude I’m a Catholic Director of Ed for a PreK - 11 school and I am totally using this for class!
It’s also a favorite on the Reformed subreddit.
I watched it at both Howard Payne University and Truett Seminary
It is also used at North Central University in their systematic theology class!
"That's MODALISM, PATRICK!!"
Y E A H R E A L S I M P L E P A T R I C K
When you go to a Pentecostal church but find out it's Oneness Pentecostal.
TheExodvs: Yes, the big problem is that far too many people (i.e., Christians) don't distinguish between the two. In addition, it is the heretical Oneness Pentecostalism that has become the more prevalent and being accepted as just another branch of Christianity (even as Mormonism).
p a r t i a l i s m ?
As a "heretic" I found all this hilarious.
" I've never heard of Voltron"
"Of course you haven't it's not gonna exist for another 1,500 years now PATRICK." "Yeah get with the program PATRICK"
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Here's a transcript if anyone needs it:
Donall and Conall with St. Patrick
Discussing the Trinity
Donall: OK, Patrick. Tell us a bit more about this Trinity thing.
Conall: Yea, Patrick. Tell us.
Donall: But remember that we’re simple people without your fancy education and books and learnin’ and we’re hearin’ about all of this for the first time. So, try to keep it simple. OK, Patrick?
Connal: Yeah, real simple, Patrick.
St. Patrick: Sure. There are, uhh, three persons of the Trinity - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet, there is only one God.
Donall: Don’t get what you’re sayin’ here, Patrick.
Conall: Not pickin’ up what you’re layin’ down here, Patrick.
Donall: Could you use an analogy, Patrick?
St. Patrick: Sure, uhh, Trinity is like, uhh, water and how you can find water in three different forms - liquid, and ice, and and vapor.
Donall: That’s modalism, Patrick!
St. Patrick: What?
Donall: Modalism - An ancient heresy confessed by a teacher such as Novatus and Sabellius which espouses that God is not three distinct persons but that he merely reveals himself in three different forms. This heresy was clearly condemned in Canon 1 at the First Council of Constantinople in 381 AD and those who confess it cannot rightly be considered a part of the church catholic. Come on, Patrick!
Conoll: Yeah, get it together, Patrick!
St. Patrick: OK, uhh, then the Trinity is like, uhh, the sun in the sky where you have the star, and the light, and the heat.
Donall: Oh, Patrick.
Conall: Come on, Patrick.
Donall: That’s Arianism, Patrick.
St. Patrick: Arianism?
Donall: Yes, Arianism, Patrick. A theology which states that Christ and the Holy Spirit are creations of the Father and not one in nature with Him. Exactly like how heat and light are not the star itself but are merely creations of the star. That’s a bad analogy, Patrick!
Conall: You’re the worst, Patrick!
St. Patrick: Alright, sorry. The Trinity is like this three-leaf clover here…
Donall: I’m gonna stop you right there, Patrick.
Conall: Yeah, hold your horses, Patrick.
Donall: You’re about to confess partialism.
St. Patrick: Partialism?
Donall: Yes, partialism. A heresy which asserts that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not distinct persons of the Godhead but are different parts of God, each composing 1/3 of the divine.
St. Patrick: And who confesses the heresy of partialism?
Donall: The first season of the cartoon program Voltron where five robot lion-cars merge together to form one giant robot samurai. Obviously!
St. Patrick: I’ve never heard of Voltron.
Donall: Of course you haven’t. It’s not gonna exist for another 1500 years now, Patrick.
Conall: Yeah, get with the program, Patrick.
Donall: I mean, really, Patrick.
Conall: I’m gonna stab you in the face, Patrick.
Donall: OK. That was probably a bit much.
St. Patrick: Alright. I’ll try again. Uhh, the Trinity is like how the same man can be a husband, and a father, and an employer.
Donall: Modalism again!
St. Patrick: Alright, then it’s like the three layers of an atom…
Donall: Partialism revisited.
St. Patrick: Fine! The Trinity is a mystery which cannot be comprehended by human reason but is understood only through faith and is best confessed in the words of the Athanasian Creed, which states that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity, neither confusing the Persons nor dividing the substance, that we are compelled by the Christian truth to confess that each distinct Person is God and Lord, and that the deity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coequal in majesty.
Donall: Well, why didn’t you just say that, Patrick?
Conall: Yeah, quit beatin’ around the bush, Patrick. Now let’s all put on some giant green foam hats, get riotously drunk, and vomit in the Chicago River to celebrate our conversion.
St. Patrick: So, what do you guys do for a living?
Donall: Well, we come from a long line of snake farmers, Patrick, but truth be told business has been real bad lately.
St. Patrick: Oh, yeah … about that….
amazing. Thank you for this!!
You are a hero for this
I’m pretty sure he said 3 layers of an apple not atom
I don’t get the snake part
@@michaelmariano4747Saint Patrick is said to have driven all of the snakes from Ireland according to legends about him, which probably weren’t meant to be literal as snakes have never been in Ireland but as a metaphor for the island’s conversion from its traditional pagan gods, with the snake typically being allegorical in Christian symbolism for the Devil or demons, as the worship of pagan gods would have been seen as synonymous with devil worship by later Christian writers.
Nope. The point of the vid wasn't to knock the teaching abilities of St. Patrick, who was an amazing dude, but to show that all Trinitarian analogies have problems.
But again, no analogy is perfect for describing heaven either, yet Jesus used all sorts of analogies in His parables simply to give people a glimpse of understanding. Every theologian knows the Holy Trinity is a Mystery. Patrick was trying to convert pagans in the 5th century, and in order to explain a concept they could grasp to not worship three gods, the shamrock analogy was indeed effective, being that it grows wild in Ireland.
@🤴DoobieBear🐻
So is replying to a 6 yr old comment
insectlover602 - How about a 16 minute old comment ? You're clearly a dick, my young deluded chum. Maybe you've not noticed but there are quite a few videos on RUclips and if the commenter is only getting round to this one now, there's not a damn thing wrong with commenting on it now.
LutheranSatire you are right all you people are CRAZY
@@warmishgnat5021 Get it together, Patrick!
I've watched this an embarrassing amount of times and still laughing.
Get your act together Patrick. Seriously.
It's funny because all people really remember of St. Patrick is that the stuff with the three-leaf clover. He actually had a fairly hard life, considering the whole kidnapped and sold into indentured servitude in a place where people were Pagans while he was a Christian.
Being Irish, I know what St. Patrick went through, and you gave an excellent summary of it.
B Rob Thank you
Christianity is not and never was "pagan all the way" (i.e, 100% pagan), and Jesus was not non-existent per Roman, secular historians and scholars (Tacitus, etc.).
***** There is absolutely zero debate among historians about the existence of Jesus. Almost no expert in the field of history says he never existed.
Also, Christianity is decidedly NOT pagan. It's unpagan-ness is what sparked the severe Roman persecution of Christians. I'm not sure why you think there's anything pagan about it. Please explain?
gyinagal Christianity was persecuted because (1) it was a new religion, or "superstition" and (2) was drawing away people who had accepted Roman religion, thus amounting to a kind of cultural treason.
Just found this in Dec 2020. When I heard Donall's pause followed by "Oh, Patrick" as a response to the sun analogy I literally spat out my coffee onto my keyboard. I am not kidding. I will be forwarding you guys an invoice for a new keyboard. Aside from that, thanks! Brilliant stuff!
There's no way in 9 years only 21k people liked this video. I've re-liked it several times since it came out, and every time I return to watch it again my like is gone.
Amazingly, I had never liked the video. That error has been corrected.
Modalism is still around today. People call it “oneness Pentacostalism”.
Isn't that just anti-trinitarianism proper? They're the kind of people that have debates about whether trinitarian Pentecostals can possibly go to heaven
@@DanielTanios Google false teachers t d jakes challies. It's modalism
@@horrificpleasantry9474 Yeah, you're right -- it is modalism. I knew about T. D. Jakes' dodgy views about the Trinity, but I actually hadn't known he'd been initially ordained in Oneness Pentecostalism.
That's me!! 😁😁
@@DanielTanios Answer: He hasn't.
First saw this in my doctrines class for my undergrad and now reading about the trinity for my masters. Had to come revisit this classic!
"Father... this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" John 17:1-3
ALLLLLLL day today whenever I heard one of my coworkers wish someone a “Happy St. Patrick’s Day” all I could think of was this video. 🤣
So my class is doing Mere Christianity for Theology rn and we just did the chapters on the Trinity, so my class director showed us this video. It was great and I must say, I was not ready for that Voltron reference. I died. My classmates probably think I'm hysterical 😆
Redeemed Zoomer sent me here. Was definitely worth it :D
Same
You talking about the little Easter egg in his video?
What video? If you dont mind me asking.
I did not expect to hear "That's modalism, Patrick!" while watching a video by The Ten Minute Bible Hour exploring how Bibles are manufactured. And yet I did! Love it.
“that’s M O D A L I S M Patrick!”
What?
No, it's the Irish tune used as the setting for "I Bind Unto Myself Today," a hymn adapted from St. Patrick's breastplate.
You can imagine how happy I was when my theology professor played this video in our class
My mom likes Chocolate Trinity ice cream, so I put a sticky note on it saying, "Chocolate Partialism, Patrick."
Chocolate a la modalism
@@donovangray3305 🤣 BEST comment. Sorry it's buried in here.
Totally underrated comment
Brill...every night, I talk to the Lord, and tell Him that I know that I'll never understand Him until I get to His place of glory...but that, yes, my faith tells me that I don't HAVE to understand Him in order to love and worship Him. :)
The water analogy actually works if you compare H2O in solid liquid and gas forms at its triple point pressure and temperature. Any substance at its triple point consists of a solid a liquid and a gas all at the exact same time at the exact same place
I use this clip all the time... in Sunday School theology lessons and casual witnessing. It's brilliant!! One caution - analogies are not inherently bad. Jesus Himself uses the "imperfect" analogy of Father and Son to describe 2/3 of the trinity. You just have to know how far scripture allows you to press the analogy and stop one step before it falls apart.
Just a comment on the hymn music played on guitar at the end. The name of the hymn is actually St. Patrick. The first line is, “I Bind Unto Myself Today.” It was an inspired musical choice. Good job. And the hilarious line at the very end about being from a long line of snake farmers? That was actually the funniest line in the whole beautiful sketch. Loved it!
@a A legend claims St. Patrick drove all the snakes out of Ireland.
"We're simple people without your fancy education". Uh, wait... LOL!
I keep coming back to this video. I'd say that it's because it's brilliant and funny and educational, but that's modalism, Patrick!
happy holy trinity Sunday. I couldnt stop thinking of this video all during the sermon
When I was first introduced to this video I thought, wha...?! now my husband and I have watched it I don't know 10 times? Haha. We quote it with Irish accents, "I'm going to stop you right there, Patrick!" So funny. And we learned something we didn't know about the Trinity, and the cartoon series, Voltran. ☺️ Thanks for making it and posting it.
I share this every single St Patrick’s day and always creates hilarity on my Facebook wall
If we ever sing "I Bind Unto Myself Today" in church, this will now be the first place my mind goes to.
This predates the reboot of Voltron that was actually well known. At the time this was a very deep reference.
ROCK AND STONE BROTHER
This will never stop being funny.
Agreed! Lol
I lost it at the Voltron reference! LOL
Chop Ditto ... but I do prefer season 2
Me too! Lol
I know
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
@@mitchellc4 That's Adoptionism Patrick. Adoptionism was declared heresy at the end of the 3rd century and was rejected by the Synods of Antioch and the First Council of Nicaea, which defined the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity and identified the man Jesus with the eternally begotten Son or Word of God in the Nicene Creed. The belief was also declared heretical by Pope Victor I. Adoptionism denies the eternal pre-existence of Christ, which contradicts John 1 : 1-16, John 10 : 31-38, and yes even John 17 : 21. Jesus never directly said I am God, because He didn't need to. Just as God told Moses "I AM that I AM," Jesus told the Pharisee's in John 8 : 56-59, "before Abraham was, I AM." Jesus and the Father are ONE. Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For years the analogy I used was that if you add infinity to infinity to infinity you end up with infinity. I found out later that this denies the distinction between the persons, as all three infinities are identical. Still better than a clover, though.
+〈-thatguyoverthere You actually can have distinct values of infinity. The number of real numbers is greater than the number of rational numbers, for example, for reasons I just barely begin to understand.
Kevin Baker I vaguely remember learning something along those lines, but then you run into the problem of Arianism, since some infinities are greater than others.
Do different values necessarily indicate greatness? The number 2 isn't better or more powerful than 1.
HoodieSticks That really hurts.
The set of all fractions between the numbers 1 and 2 is infinite. The set of all fractions between the numbers 3 and 4 is infinite. The sum of all numbers in either set is equal in size to the other, but they are completely distinct. Hope that helps
Here from Law Nerd Clips post 😂❤️☘️ This is awesome 🤩
Happy St. Patrick's day, Patrick!
Happy St. Patrick’s Day, Patrick!! ❤️☘️
Every year I make my way back to this video
same here 🙂
“The first season of the cartoon program Voltron where 5 robot lion cars merge together to form one giant robot samurai, OBVIOUSLY!”
Coming back here on Trinity Sunday after hearing the priest employ the steam-water-ice analogy.
Actually used this video a couple of years ago to remember the heresies for my Theology 1 final! 😁
As an Anglican, I wish I had the smarts to create an AnglicanSatire channel! You guys are great!
I am pretty sure the Anglican Church is satire in itself.
@@rurikau How so ?
@@thyikmnnnn Well there is nothing you could say in an Anglican context that some someone wouldn't take as serious. Satire only works if you take a truth to an extreme so it become absurd and no one would think you are being serious. Unfortunately this could not happen in the Anglican Church
@@rurikau The Anglican church subscribes to the same Christology as Lutherans.
@@thyikmnnnn which has nothing todo with satirising the Anglican Church.
If someone wants the translation to Spanish:
- Okay Patricio, cuéntanos un poco más sobre esta cosa de la Trinidad
- Si, Patricio, cuéntanos,
- Pero recuerda que somos gente sencilla sin tu elegante educación en libros, y aprendizaje. Y estamos escuchando sobre todo esto por la primera vez, así que trata de mantenerlo simple. ¿Está bien, Patricio?
- Sí, muy simple, Patricio
- Claro. Hay, este, tres personas de la trinidad el Padre, el Hijo y el Espíritu Santo, sin embargo, solo hay un Dios.
- No entiendo qué es lo que estás diciendo Patricio
- No comprendo lo que estás declarando aquí Patricio.
- ¿Podrías usar alguna analogía Patricio?
- Claro, este, la trinidad es como, mmm, agua y cómo se puede encontrar agua en tres formas diferentes: líquido y sólido y gaseoso
- Eso es modalismo Patricio
- ¿Qué?
- Modalismo, una antigua herejía confesada por maestros como Noeto y Sabelio que defiende que Dios no es tres personas distintas, sino que él simplemente se revela a sí mismo en tres formas diferentes. Esta herejía fue claramente condenada en el Canon 1, en el primer concilio de Constantinopla, en el 381 d.C. y los que lo confiesan no puede considerarse correctamente como parte de la iglesia católica, ¡venga Patricio!,
- Sí, tú puedes, Patricio
- Bien, entonces la trinidad es como, mm, el sol en el cielo donde tienes la estrella y la luz y el calor.
- Oh, Patricio.
- Venga Patricio
- Eso es arrianismo Patricio,
- ¿Arrianismo?
- Sí, arrianismo Patricio, una teología que afirma que Cristo y el Espíritu Santo son creaciones del Padre y no uno en la naturaleza con El, exactamente como el calor y la luz no son la estrella misma, pero son meras creaciones de la estrella esa es una mala analogía Patricio
- Eres el peor Patricio
- Está bien lo siento, la Trinidad es como mm, este trébol de tres hojas aquí.
- Te detendré ahí mismo, Patricio,
- Sí, despacito Patricio
- Estás a punto de confesar parcialismo,
- ¿Parcialismo?
- sí parcialismo una herejía que afirma que el Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo no son personas distintas de la deidad, sino partes diferentes de Dios, cada uno componiendo un tercio de lo divino
- ¿y quien confiesa la herejía de parcialismo?
- la primera temporada en un programa de dibujos animados. Voltron, donde se fusionan cinco autos león robot juntos para formar un robot gigante RMR. Obviamente.
- Nunca he oído hablar de Voltron
- por supuesto que no lo has hecho, no va a existir por otros 1500 años Patricio
- sí ve con el programa Patricio
- quiero decir, de verdad Patricio
- te voy a apuñalar en la cara de Patricio
- Bueno, eso fue probablemente un poco demasiado.
- Bien lo intentare de nuevo, mm, la Trinidad es como un mismo hombre, puede ser un marido y un padre, y empleador.
- Modalismo, de nuevo
- Está bien, es como las tres capas de un todo
- Parcialismo, revisado
- Bien la Trinidad es un misterio que no puede ser comprendido por la razón humana, pero se entiende sólo a través de la fe y se confiesa mejor en las palabras del credo ateniense que establece que nosotros adoramos a un Dios en Trinidad y Trinidad en unidad, sin confundir a las personas ni dividir el ser divino. Que somos obligados por la verdad cristiana a confesar que cada persona distinta es Dios y Señor y que la deidad del Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo es una, igual en gloria, coeterna en majestad.
- Bueno, ¿por qué no solo dijiste eso Patricio?
- Sí deja de estar en las ramas Patricio. Ahora vamos a ponernos todos algunos gorros gigantes de espuma verde emborracharnos desenfrenadamente y vomitar en el río chicago para celebrar nuestra conversión.
Grax
Those twins are too intelligent to be "new to this."
Aaron Husar Well, it's not as if Ireland was ignorant prior to conversion. The druids did the same job the priests did (arguably better, coming from a pagan)
That's the joke lol
They did a little trolling
My Bible teacher showed this to my class. In our freshman year. It was great
My school is showing this in saint Patrick’s day lmao, everyone in my class absolutely lost it at the voltron reference and the “PATRICKS!” Keep up the good work
I heard someone use the water analogy last week and immediately thought "ahh yes, that's modalism. Wait, how do I know that?"
This video might be one of the greatest guards against trinitarian heresies in the modern church😂
Haha. As someone who attended St. Patrick's Church and School, this is a hoot. I love the clarity it brings.
Of the Terre Haute Deanery?
"That's modalism, Patrick!" lives deep in the minds of countless thousands of people because of this video.
I’m a catholic Catechist. My kids are watching this on Sunday.
Now here because of pastor Mike.😂
Dont regret it one bit clicking on the link! This is hilarious 😆
Back again on this special day.
I love that the video uses stereo speakers depending on who is speaking. Genius.
You have no idea how fun this is to use in theology class and debate
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Annual St. Patrick's Day watch and share? Done!!
I was today years old when I found out that the musical intro was in fact "St. Patrick's Breastplate" and not just some generic fun Irish music. That actually helps me remember the tune of the hymn way better.
Was introduced to this in my Intro to Theology course at Colorado Christian University; cant stop showing my other Christian friends
Mike Winger sent you here.
Writing a paper about the nature of the trinity and had to come back to this gem for some guidance haha
Hi, I have looked but I haven't found any reference to a "trinity" in the bible.
This is priceless!!! I'm late to the game (2013 to 2022, just a few years), but researching for an upcoming video and LOVE this!!! Ironically as one person below mentioned, my prof shared it! I've always told people something to the effect of "we affirm what the Bible affirms and have the humility to accept that some things are above our pay-grade / comprehension"
Actually, it can. It is called the Triple Point. With the correct and exact pressure and temperature, you can have two forms or even all three forms of water to occur at the same moment. It is an oddity, to be sure, but is basic chemistry. This is something, if used in the analogy, helps to keep you from modalism. But you need a background in chemistry to know about it!
I love how they say don’t say no fancy words and keep it simple but they know all these things like mortalism, partialism, and all these things💀
Actually, the analogy I like is the Trinity is like the three dimensions of a cube, height, width, depth, each distinct but all making up one cube. Each dimension corresponds to a Person of the Godhead.
That's partialism, Patrick! 😋 But nice analogy 👍
The fact is, these analogies, though deficient in fully expressing the Trinity, show us a principle that if it's possible that three can be one even in the natural realm, how much more possible is it for the supernatural God of the heavenly realm to be triune in a way we can't fully comprehend or express.
@@natjackson4880 One you realize that each Person in the Godhead is infinite, what does an infinite cube even mean? I don't think we understand that any better than God. Even the whole universe isn't infinite. All our analogies break down in infinity.
@@AndyZach Well said!
That doesn't work. Since God is the Father, then in your scenario, the width is the height.
This is my favorite video you're made. Love the Voltron reference!
The Trinity is a mystery which cannot be comprehended by human reason but is understood only through faith and is best confessed in the words of the Athanasian Creed, which states that we worship one god in Trinity and Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the substance that we are compelled by the Christian truth to confess to each distinct person is God and Lord and that the deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, co-equal in majesty.
The level of awesomeness in this video is hard to overstate.
Happy St. Patrick's Day Everyone!
My Pastor played this video during the sermon today.
I’m embarrassed how many times I’ve watched this, with fully half of those occasions due to my desire to hear the word “obviously” tartly spoken in that fantastic Irish brogh!
"We're snake farmers, but business has been pretty bad recently"
St. Patrick - "imma head out"
I didn't understand that snake reference. Would you be so kind and give me an explanation?
@@philippbrogli779Saint Patrick is said to have driven all of the snakes from Ireland according to legends about him, which probably weren't meant to be literal as snakes have never been in Ireland but as a metaphor for the island's conversion from its traditional pagan gods, with the snake typically being allegorical in Christian symbolism for the Devil or demons, as the worship of pagan gods would have been seen as synonymous with devil worship by later Christian writers.
@@Suavemente_Enjoyer Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
While I have viewed this at least 20 times over the years, I am still in awe at the Athanasian Creed's response to the majesty and mystery of the Trinity. Such beauty and simplicity, but also great depth and profoundness. I must confess to using everyone of the bad analogies (except maybe Voltron :) ) in my witnessing and teaching. Fortunately we serve a God Who can overcome the sincere incompetence of His messengers! Thank you again for your pious creativity. Sola Deo Gloria!
@Christian Man Curious use of the phrase "pagan belief system" I do like your mention of the shema(Deut 6:4). I grant you that "Trinity" per se is not in the Scriptures, however the concept which it defines is pretty well explained in the Scriptures. How do you get around the deity of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit without being guilty of polytheism(ie, the Shema)?
@@DroknarsForge4198 While Christianity has been accused of many things over the centuries, polytheism is certainly not one of them. Orthodox Christianity is monotheistic as evidenced as being rooted in the Tanakh. I guess I would have to see which persons of the Trinity do you consider "non-divine" for if Christ was not divine He could not be my Savior and the sole source for my righteousness as taught in Solus Christus and if the Holy Ghost is not God then His sealing is not the deposit for my salvation much less could the Spirit be Holy if not God(Eph.1). How the 3 Essences are One substance is the basis for this video which I hope you viewed and certainly more eloquently expressed in the Athanasian Creed than my clumsy ignorant mind could ever improve upon. Don't mean to be argumentative, but also do not want refrain from an answer to those asking sincere questions(which on the internet are few to be sure).
@@DroknarsForge4198 WOW! A Saviour who is not God? Isaiah 53 applying to a mortal man and not God the Son? Pentecost all done by non-divine means and not God the Spirit? To not see the difference between essence and substance is to fail to see the whole necessity for the Athanasian Creed(ousia vs hupostasis). To quote JB Phillips, "Your God is too small for me".
@@DroknarsForge4198 I could not imagine my salvation being the result of the work of a man. I have the certainty of my salvation because "He who knew no sin became sin for us so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God"(2 Cor 5:21). How could I possibly obtain the righteousness of God if God Himself did not die for me because of my sins? As for the absurdity of my being sealed by a non-divine Being awaiting the inheritance that comes from the works of a mortal man, that to me is in defiance of the entire Counsel of God as contained in the Canon. I can only conclude that you and I are on two completely divergent paths based on our understanding of Scripture. We can both agree that one day we will both find out the validity of our theological positions as we stand both God's throne. On that day, I will have a great high priest the very begotten (not created)Son of God as my Mediator Who himself was the perfect and atoning sacrifice for my personal sin and sent forth His Holy Spirit to dwell in those who are the elect of which only because of God's grace I am one of His true flock. Who will be your advocate and what is your certainty that you are confident being doubt for your eternity? The works of a mortal man in cooperation with a quasi-deity spirit?
@@DroknarsForge4198 Droknar, you have hit upon the Christian paradox. How could Jesus be both God and man. This is exactly what the Athanasian Creed addresses. While I do not deny He was man while on Earth, the wonder is that He was still equally God. Matthew 1:23 captures this as His name is Immanuel, "God with us". However, this was not just an isolated verse twisting as Jesus Himself affirms that He is God when He answers a group of inquisitive Jews, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8:58). the Jews correctly understood His claim to Deity as they picked up stones to stone Him. After all, what Jew would not understand the words spoken to Moses from the burning brush "I am Who I am" (Ex.3:14) being only applicable to God Himself. As for the Holy Spirit being God the words of our Saviour clarifies and affirms this in Mark 3:29, "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, he is guilty of an eternal sin". This is affirmed many times in the epistles in the Trinitarian references (1 Peter 2 being a personal favorite). Again, the god you speak of is not the Living God who as the Creed speaks far better than I could ever hope: That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their personsreconcile
This was so funny, I had to share this with my Facebook community of friends. I watched this several times and cracked up every time!
God bless you brother. Thank you for teaching in your way. You're amazing
I love this cartoon so helpful for my preparation for Trinity Sunday. I DARE NOT TO use analogies best to explain the doctrine not the Trinity.
Mike winger sent me
I just love this! I want to give it another "Like" every year. Happy St. Patrick's Day!
I remember my youth pastor showing us this video a while ago. A friend of mine shared the most recent Donall & Conall video with me today and I have found my long-lost Irish Lutherans.
I die every time I watch these guys
This legit is the most amazing video I have ever seen in my life. Freaking hilarious 😂😂😂
I'm a former Christian, and I absolutely love these videos. So clever and funny.
Why former?
Justin Martar used the Sun analogy. This was very cleaver and well argued. May God forgive our best attempts to explain an utter mystery.
Great, now every time I call out someone for heresy I have to call them Patrick at the end 😂
"Let me stop you right there, Patrick..."
Loved it.
I remember watching this in school and the entire class couldn’t keep it together. Really good video keep up the good work😊
At the right pressure H2O can form ice, water and vapor simultaneously. So it doesn't have to be modal. The same substance (H2O) can be experienced in three forms. All analogies break down, or they wouldn't be analogy, they would be the thing itself. So I don't mind if analogies are inadequate. We shouldn't judge them on what part breaks down, but what part of them reveals or explains biblically consistent truth.
Even words are metaphorical by nature, because they are representational of a thing and not the thing itself. But words are a great way to communicate truth, even with the limitations of vocabulary, translation, comprehension and more.
Keep it simple we're illiterate 5th century Irish peasants without books or faaaaancy education. We just happen to be experts on Church history and Systematic theology
This is brilliant - I'm in love.
This is my favorite of all the ones you've done so far!
thanks again, for doing this, you put it across a hell of a lot better that father Murphy in St. Peter College Ireland
"...Vomit in the Chicago River, to Celebrate our Conversion..."
Now hold on a Minute Patrick...
How you gonna throw up in a River, next to a city that doesn't exist yet? lol
Richard Powell
The worshipers Of Gitche Gumee wouldn’t have appreciated it much back then, either.
Well they know about Voltron 1500 years early so...
to be fair the river existed....it just wasn't called the Chicago river and it wasn't dyed green at the time. lol.
Well, I understood the Shamrock analogy. I'm not saying I believed it, but I understood it. What was Patrick supposed to do? Find some plant that is 3 different plants but is also only one plant? If these are "bad analogies," then give an example of what a good analogy would have been.
There isn’t a good analogy
There is no good analogy because the concept is fundamentally incoherent, and thus intrinsically wrong in and of itself.
2023 St. Patty's Day keeping up the tradition!
We come back every St. Patrick's Day so much so that this is the first thing our kids think of when they get up on this morning is this video. 😆