Being strong doesn’t mean your fast someone could lift 500 lbs but not run like 500 miles a second also you need hard proof not a guess for a death battle.
I really really love the idea of actually scaling two Western animated characters, it's something so rarely done in the vs or scaling community, outside of Death Battle, so this feels so cathartic. Edit: You should do a video on Gunmar from Trollhunters, this channel could be an absolute home for toon movie fans
It’s a tie because neither of them can kill the other person. Death cannot kill Kai because Kai was already dead and he’s a spirit warrior, and Kai cannot kill death because death is death so it’s a tie there is no winner.
Death is technically a Grime Reaper type figure, and the whole point to the Grime Reaper to guide already dead souls to the after life. So Death could technically just force Kai to the afterlife. After all Death hates people who can cheat "death" in any sort of way.
Kai is already a part of the afterlife hes been there 500 years. Theres nothing to force. Even po tried to force him back using the wuxi finger hold. It didnt do shit and he laughed. And even if death sent him back, hed get back out again.@luce698
i think the most literal he's ever been is right after shifu tells him tai lung broke outta prison right after he told shifu "theres just news, there is no good or bad." to which the response to said news was: "...oh, that is bad news"
9:28 ok just a quick nitpick here, but its a magic bag. The bag probably conjures what ever you desire from it, as long as it was placed inside prior. A bag in general would rather useless if you can't take things out of it, so obviously there will be magic to allow you to retrieve whatever you put in. Doesn't change anything however, since shrek magic and kung fu panda chi likely arent similar enough to compare and we can't reasonbly compare death to the bag anyway.
Damn I did NOT expect kung fu panda to be so strong i just thought kung fu panda was like small-large building level and like subsonic+-supersonic speed
@@Julian.noa21Yea but the stuff he's using aren't canon. The show for Puss is canon since it actually is meant to be a prequel. He's also severely highballing.
I would argue that Death isn’t technically living, and chi is described as the life flow of the KFP universe. So Kai wouldn’t be able to take Death’s “chi” because he technically wouldn’t have any. But even then, Kai is still faster with greater AP. Amazing video! I was really looking forward to you making this video^^
@@KR91201 That doesn't mean anything. What does being the Grim Reaper of the Shrek universe actually mean? Because traditionally, the grim reaper just guides the souls of the dead, he doesn't actually kill anyone himself, let alone have advanced fighting skills. The Wolf in The Last Wish is clearly a _unique interpretation_ of the concept, so you can't just say "he's the grim reaper, so he auto wins," when his job was NEVER to kill people (one of Puss' previous lives literally calls him out on this). We don't have *_any_* reason to believe his actual fighting skills are any greater than what was stated, and Kai out scales everything in the Shrek universe (he also can't be killed because he's already a spirit).
@@DLxxxgrim reaper traditional like what what culture are you talking about because last time I checked the grim reaper is more than capable of killing literally anything and there are other things besides the grim reaper to guide souls so the grim reaper just guiding souls is just ridiculous if you ask me
It's been shown that fire in Shrek can destroy souls and Death has been shown to use fire. So has there been any instance of anybody (Especially Kai) surviving soul destruction before.
Where did u get the idea that fire destroys souls? Or did u just pull it out of ur @ss so that death can win. Kai is immortal. Death doesn’t apply to him because he’s already dead. That’s why in order for Po to defeat him he had to erase him from existence, not kill him, u can’t kill a dead person.
@@TheSlowScholar It’s been shown in the Shrek verse that fire can kill ghost in Shrek 4D Dragon killed ghost Fardquad with her fire even someone like Puss could damage ghost and spirits in his respected show also Kai isn’t really dead because he didn’t die due to natural causes he was banished by Oogway and the Spirt Realm isn’t really the afterlife it’s one exclusively for kung fu masters that’s why there’s barely anyone there and it’s somewhat irrelevant due to anyone being able to leave if they have enough chi. Also Po didn’t erase him from existence he just pumped his soul with to much chi then he died instantly and if he was erased then how could The Chameleon change into him and he was literally brought back in the fourth movie sure he didn’t talk or do much but he was still there.
@@elijahross9961 He walks on two feet, wears clothes, and is bilingual. If you think he's an animal in the real world sense you might as well call me a wild ape.
From what I understand the uni argument for Shrek 4 isn't that he created a space time but the fact he survived said reality being erased, cause as we see he wasn't sent back to the main reality like everyone else and yet still survived
Apparently, there is Puss and therefore Death scaling to The Arcanum which be superior to magical spells such as Artephius's magic spell that he did to conjure Puss Dos who is a clone duplicate experiment gone wrong. When Artephius conjured up Puss Dos, it created an ethnic pressure imbalance that desynchronized the spin rates of the hermetic realm barrier loop membranes causing dozens of Pusses from other universes to be sucked into the Netherworld. To give a more perspicacious explanation of what he's saying. The ethnic pressure imbalance is referring to the disruption caused by a conflicting or unbalanced energies that have disrupted the natural laws of things. You can sorta think of Puss Dos as an a anomaly for that upon creation. The desynchronized spin rates is obviously pertained to the disruption in the magical energies or forces that govern the fabric of reality within the show's universe as afterwards it talks about the hermetic, sealed off, realm barriers between worlds/universes. What this basically all means is that the spell that conjured Puss Dos created a ripple effect across these 39 dimensions and timelines. Essentially affecting them by having desynchronize the barriers between worlds. I am quoting what the page I found said here. character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Puss_in_Boots_(Canon)/MemeLordGamer_Trap?so=search So, correct me if I am wrong.
That could be seen as an absurd High-End(or something like that) for Death. But it depends on how others interpret it or if they believe it. Not trying to say Death wins or loses, I'm just saying that it depends on how others view it.
@@joshuahughes3377 Well Kai can get a similar level of scaling. You see the Spirit Realm is not just a singular construct. It has similarly multiple realms inside of it for the different Kung fu Masters. A realms within realms situation if you will. There has not been a confirmed number of the amount of warriors in The Spirit Realm. Their would at least be multiple dozens, hundreds, if not thousands of realms inside of it. So, you can get Kai escaping the Spirit Ream to be just as if not more powerful than the casting of Puss Dos.
Now that is the true question. Both have such different themes that both are insanely threatening. And the best part is that they both give off the “I’m here” vibe, but one being bombastic and the other being an threat.
IMO Kai overpowering spirit realm works kinda like black holes warping reality. They don't have to be universal level in terms of power (they have finite mass and finite energy) yet ability to concentrate said energy can do miracle-level feats
Iirc, the wishing star's fire was actually existence erasure, not literal fire, and death could use a similar ability at will. Furthermore, magic in Shrek has been shown to harm or destroy souls / spirits. Keep in mind, Kai is vulnerable to soul destruction. Furthermore, he uses chi, which is life energy. Certainly, it has a spiritual and mystical component, but that actually just gives death more options. Shrek verse has immortality, reality warping, space/time manipulation, undeath, etc. Even if Kai is demonstrably more powerful than the physical form Death takes, this is really a hax battle. I don't think Kai could stop death, and death could reasonably collect Kai. Also, magic and chi, while related in KFP verse, are not exactly the same. While Kai could potentially defeat Death, he'd have to do it forever, which he arguably can't. He'd eventually make a mistake or potentially exhaust enough chi for Death to get an opening. Death cannot die. Death casually walked through existence erasure. And Kai, even as a spirit warrior, was able to be killed (again).
@@mu1_regenerate he says because he said Kai could overpower the spirit realm. He could kill death. I don’t see it like that. It sounds like he could just overpower it, because if he could actually could kill death he would have destroyed The spirit realm, rather than just overpowered it just to escape it.
@@therandomchannelx4875 If Kai can overpower Death, he'd be able to absorbe him. It doesn't matter if Death can be killed or not. Oogway was also inmortal and he got absorbed.
@@Angel_Sony But death doesnt have chi. its.. death. its not alive. Kai wouldnt be able to take deaths chi. And if Kai was to overpower Kai he would get serious. Thats something people dont talk about.
Scott Pilgrim victims smh, but W matchup. Though you didn't bring up how Puss already fought a guy who was stated to transcend all magical power in the verse before fighting Death, which has been shown to warp reality and create seperate dimensions as shown in the PIB Show, aswell as Puss scaling to the blood wolf who was stated multiple times to exist before time did. Still a great vid
Personally wouldn’t scale Kai to uni, because in PoD another character who broke out of the Spirit Realm (Jindiao), could only do so after absorbing the power of the Wellspring, the source of all chi, which is a feat that was described as never done before by anyone (which would include Kai). Multi-Continent is consistent with Dragon Knight though, since Po scales to characters who can recreate Pangaea.
That's real understandable given that death does not have that many feats in his first movie showing, BUT there is ONE way I think he "could" scale above Kai, there is a RUclipsr called the theorizer and as crazy as this sounds there is a way to get death connected to a higher meta if we were to believe his theory's on Mort the lemur, but that'd be big if true
Yes I was searching for this comment. According to the show base, Mort is Multi-versal I've watched all 7 hours of the theory, and it may be canon. Mort is high Multi-versal he wipes the floor with Kai
@@Soundwave_Superior_45 yeah that's if we do take this interpretation of the show writers somewhat supporting this theory, but I'd say on average Kai should win but I did wanna point this out. I'm glad somebody else knows about the theory though. 👍
Based on a breakdown of the animation of the scene where puss and death in the bar… death got hit by puss, right through the face at that. It’s not that he needs to be stronger or faster. This dude ignores physical threats and tbh the wolf probably isn’t the only form he can take. To add to that fact Kai cheating death would only serve to annoy him (as he stated himself… he doesn’t like cats for the 9 lives thing). Death is a concept, arguably a force of nature… which is why he just ignored Puss’s successful hit. I don’t think Kai could actually touch him if he tried. As theoretically powerful as Kai is… Death is like gravity… you can’t kill gravity.
@@eugenekrabs141 AND they said that puss's attack had no effect on him when later in the movie he got hit with a kick and a stomp to the head, yeah, those hurt him too.
@IdentityX69420 He lost because at that point he was weaker but he always ends up winning to the dudes at the end (Except Goku Black. Goku Black is stronger than actual Goku.). Really basic stuff here.
Nice vid Using some guid book calms about the spirit, you could argue 4d to 5d for kai. And you can argue inaccessible speed as the spirit realm ia above the the concept of time, meaning moving in there is like moving in a place that lacks time
I say It’s a tie because both are strong and powerful. Kai basically beat death to return to life but he is vulnerable to attacks on the soul. But Death is the concept of death and can truly never be defeated and can shape-shift in your greatest foe, but can be beat if you show no fear
Realistically, since kai isn't mortal, death can't really do shit about it. So that makes it a battle of skill which goes to kai. But neither of these 2 can die so itll be a draw anyway.
@kyleb7974 well ripping his head off would require him getting to his head. Issue is, kai outclasses death in every physical way. He's stronger, more skilled, etc. It neither had powers and were only combat kai wins low diff.
@@Sobek2600 Nah I'm just referring to the whole immortal thing applying to both Death and Kai. They may not be able to die, but they can be destroyed is what I'm trying to convey. For Death as well. In terms of where I stand on Death v Kai. Well, I wouldn't put either characters anywhere close to where they are in the videos. But Death's feats are closer to Tai Lung's than Kai's, arguably weaker.
When they actualy meet Death:Kai, arent you dead? Kai:I just gave myself a second chance Death:no one has escaped me yet Kai:well let me be the first one
I feel like there are a lot of holes when scaling Kai. Po in the spirit world who unlocked his chi with some aid of the pandas was beating Kai up. So would that make Po beyond universal? Po was also able to leave the spirit realm not by overpowering it but by using the staff which is built upon in KP 4 which shows that getting out doesn't necessarily have to mean U have to overpower the whole realm which would be impossible because it's infinitely so the finite chi of even all the masters wouldn't be infinite. Death has much more concrete showings and consistency imo.
Bro, it aint a contest. The spirit realm is a place just for kung fu masters, its not normal death. And when Po beats Kai at the end, he sends him to ACTUAL death. But Death the character is straight up death. He IS death. He can't be killed, and if your able to die in any way, he can kill it, since he IS death. Unless your immortal or omnipotent or something, he can defeat you. It aint no contest at all, Death would win.
@@Chaoticee7801Nah lol: Sure it's Death, but imagine a being completely immune to any cause of Death, including old age. Completely unable to die, then they just won't die no matter what. If something is completely omnipotent then they avoid Death. And he didn't manipulate reality in the movie. This is the Puss in Boots Death I'm talking about, Death glazers/overraters, and that wolf can't beat everything. So if you're immortal, you are unable to die no matter what and you cannot be murdered, you can just be completely immune to it but you can't defeat it. Kai is technically already dead being a Spirit Warrior, therefore cannot die again unless he has an overload of chi. The only weapons Puss in Boots Death has is his sickles and fire summoning. Which are not chi based and won't affect Kai. The actual thing is unbeatable, but the Puss in Boots Death is not unbeatable, people should stop overrating him. I have an idea that since this death us PUSS IN BOOTS DEATH is that the only souls he collects are inhabitants ofthe Puss in Boots/Shrek universe, and I have this idea if PIB death leaves his verse he can be killed OUTSIDE OF HIS VERSE since there being another death already in said other verse, PIB death would respond in his respective verse. Yeah he's not completely weak, but a LOT of other characters beat him. And also conceptual manipulation exists.
he is the physical manifestation of “death” he is death and it’s impossible to escape it when it catches up to you there is literally nothing kai can do agents death itself
1:12 Kai didn't go mad with power. Oogway just left his side and turned good. Also, Jesus Christ, you REALLY do some over-scaling for both characters. I mean, seriously? "Dwarf Star Level"? Despite the fact that neither character threatens to crack the Earth with every strike? Or clearly ANY evidence to back these obviously *hyperbolic* statements you've been basing them off of?
@@lycantubeves5992 Don't know what else to say, man. Every single point of evidence towards feats of strength and durability towards both candidates is based off of stories told through word of mouth (weakest form of evidence) or through scaling involving other previous combatants (an even MORE unreliable source, especially if you actually SEE the fight). If you poison a dragon in its sleep that doesn't automatically stronger than it. Not to mention the misunderstanding of how magic and chi works. Obviously, for both sources there is no rock-solid book of rules on how they translate, but that's exactly why you shouldn't ADD rules to how they work. Spells almost always, in all forms of fantastical media, work to circumvent logic and physics. Just because that dark tortoise had a spell that could block an asteroid, DOESN'T mean that it can be perfectly used in combat. What if the shell only get stronger the further and larger it gets (making it significantly worse in combat)? There simply isn't enough evidence to make these claims viable.
Death still wins because you CANNOT kill death he is death how can he die if something can die he will be there and if the universe can die he is at least universal level still though good vid
@@joaquinrivera6495 how is it bad explain im giving my my personal opinion and all you day is its terrible so explain your opinion and why mine is bad just because its my opinion
Death is never a person who can be bested, only the personification of an inevitability, and even in his own movie Death himself isn't defeated, only delayed by Puss resolving to value the life he has left instead of continuing to let his pride drive him into mortal peril. Categorically, NOBODY wins against Death, because when every last spark of their strength is utterly spent, there it is, just as it always was, and just as it always will be. Permanence in any regard is only a lie we tell ourselves for our own comfort. Edit: Also, Puss is one of if not the finest swordsman in his home setting, and his weapon of choice, the rapier, is one of if not the best weapon ever designed for unarmored dueling. Being able to casually outclass an opponent of that level with a weapon chosen purely for aesthetic rather than any real practicality is kind of a big deal.
@@wendybasile7748 I understand where you’re coming from, but to be immortal literally means immune to death. He is not any regular spirit hes a master of Chi, and a warrior on the same level as Oogway Prime (skill wise) although death would put up a great fight Kai will eventually win
@@DentingMarrow_56 Well Kai wouldn’t really win more than anything it’s a stalemate because death is a concept meaning that he can’t be killed since he’s a literal concept. Death however can’t do anything to Kai since he’s already dead. Of course doe he could just spam Kai to the afterlife but Kai could just get out of it.
The only other stats I could give Death would be Omniscient. Omniscient: If he’s the physical embodiment of Death, that means he would’ve been around since the beginning of time and that would give him knowledge of creations entire history.
In all honesty, we can't scale death's full power because he doesn't have one. He's death. He made it abundantly clear that he is the CONCEPT of death itself. Not an image of it. He is the literal act of death. Even immortality can't save you from it. Jellyfish are immortal and so are vampires, both of those being able to be killed. Even invulnerable people can die from old age. With that in mind, Death is limitless since he has to be able to overcome any form of life. It's not the same as fighting a grim reaper. If we take the scene with gim and Puss for example, he can literally just end your life with hax like whe he shattered the crystals of his last life if he wanted to. But he was tryinv to torment Puss for thinking he was Immortal. So he wanted to fight him and show Puss that no matter what he did, Death couldn't be defeated.
@@saltator8565 That doesn't change what I said. Kai still has a defined limit. He's not a concept. He's just a guy lol I was temptef to not respond to this because I wanted you to come to the understanding on your own. It appears you didnt. It doesn't matter if you're undead or not. You're still fighting someone who is an embodiment of an unstoppable force. This isn't an unstoppable force vs immovable object fight. Kai isn't immovable, he was beaten by Po.
this is why some powescalers really annoy me, while i do agree that feats are very important they aren't the be all end all but people act like they are and they get so wrapped up in calculations that they forget to take a step back and look at things how they are: kai can die, death is death, can kai beat him in a fight? sure if we treat death as any other thing with limited stamina and that. but as long as you can die, death always wins in the end. point is, we know basically nothing about death apart from the fact he is death, we don't know if the forms it takes can be damaged or if they get tired. also the "feat" of kai shaking the earth in his fight with oogway proves how mfs just be taking figures of speech at face value esspecially given how there is zero proof to back up them literally shaking the earth.
You’re not Einstein, I’m sorry to say. In fact your argument is probably one of the saddest excuses I’ve ever seen. Being Death ≠ unkillable, there exist so many goddamn stories where Death has died (Thanatos in God of War, Death in Family Guy, Satan in Marvel, etc.). Scaling is important, otherwise, nothing is stopping me from saying Homer Simpson would solo the entire DC cosmology into nothingness as he was once stated to be invincible.
@@dirtyfighters7751 do my eyes deceive me, is this goofball really trying to say because that’s how death works in those universes it must be the same in this one???? I’ll admit that all I’m saying about death is speculation due to the fact that IT IS DEATH and there is a lot to be said with that title, but at least I’m not saying how things work by going off of completely different universes. And can you read by chance?? I literally said that feats are important but they aren’t the end all be all
@@greendoor4039 Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying, and literally nothing contradicts my statement whatsoever. Death was harmed and even drew small amounts of blood from Puss, meaning he isn’t invincible by any stretch of the medium and absolutely nothing in the movie implies he’s invincible. Your argument stops at “He’s Death”, and as I said before, many other Deaths have died. He still has to prove just HOW powerful he is, as Deaths come in many different strengths and sizes. Death in The Simpsons was killed in a car crash, whereas Thanatos in God of War is a primordial entity who existed before the creation of time and can abolish Multiversal hazards and conceptual figments. Death in Puss in Boots has shown nothing special in particular, and so, there’s 0 reason to believe he is anything special when comparing him to other Deaths. It’s common sense.
@@dirtyfighters7751 no because if you watch the final fight you’ll note that he walks through existence erasure at the edges of the star or is at the very least immune to magic that is proof enough in my opinion. Also where did he draw blood??
@@greendoor4039 I exactly watched the final fight, something you Death wankers desperately need to do a million times before commenting on posts like this again. Also, he walks through the Wishing Star’s barrier, true, but like, when is it ever even slightly insinuated it’s an Existence Erasure? Hell one of Goldilocks’ bears literally survived having half its body engulfed inside of it, what, does the bear have reality erasure immunity? It’s called wanking something off, that’s what. All it insinuates is Death is either uneffected to begin with as it doesn’t apply to him specifically or he manipulated the barrier (which is actually likely considering he was shown as being capable of pyrokinesis). He drew blood after Puss drop-kicked him and he said “Bueno… muito bueno…” and rubbed his nose, a very, very common symptom of someone who’s, at the very least, dazed.
I get the idea but there shouldn’t really be any scaling here, death is the whole concept of death, every person who’s died is another feat for him. If Kai can’t be killed because he is allready dead, that doesn’t change the fact that he can still be taken back to the spirit world like po did to him. So if death can traverse from the mortal plane to the spirit realm and back at will(which would make sense because he is literally death.) then it would be very easy for him to just snap Kai back to the spirit realm, especially sense he can probably teleport as seeing how he can just move from spot to spot in the movie. And the fact that as death, he can neither die nor be harmed in the first place.
Well death is death in the puss in Boots/Shrek universe, I'd say only the people in the pib/Shrek verse who've died have been collected by death and not characters from other universes.
@@uncroppedsoopThere is also no reason to assume that Death would magically win any fight though. Especially if said fight isn’t even with a mortal being
Death is way older and has more experience he was born at the beginning of life and time so he will have the power and knowledge to beat Kai no matter what people say
@@Sabergamer2001 People keep saying that Death beats everyone. He literally doesn't show any feats above wall level except the walking through the wishing star wall, which IS impressive. Yeah it didn't erase him because he's a freaking concept, bozos saying that, no crap it didn't erase him. And if a character died or can die, that doesn't automatically make them a Death victim. I bet many more characters have better feats than surviving existence erasure tbh. People also say he's omnipresent speed, but didn't keep up with puss when he was running out of the Cave of Lost souls. No cosmology above wall level except that one feat, and the death symbolism doesn't mean anything when there are immortal characters. What the heck is he gonna do against someone who is immortal, huh?! So he's not omnipotent, he's not omniscient, he's not omnipresent, he's not Outerversal, he's not boundless, etc, and definitely does not solo all of fiction like some people say. -_-
W, you can argue kai having immesurable speed as it's stated in the spirit realm that it has no concept of time so immesurable speed, you can also argue 4D-5D kai but W fr
Feats wise? Yeah Kai curbstomps its not even close but meta-wise? Death wins, it doesn't matter if Kai is a spirit warrior, who says he can't kill spirits? He is LITERALLY Death itself, the Ultimate, the Inevitability. If Kai faced Death, Death would take the form of a Lion- Buffalo's (Kai's) natural predator
And still lose.he got humbled by a little cat. Even in wolf form. Immortal characters who don't die from old age or other means practically counter death and it doesn't matter if death supposedly already killed him in this scenario they're meeting up or just finding out about each other.
If anything I would scale Death's durability to Rumpelstiltskin's contract which was able to destroy the whole Shrek timeline or universe or dimension, whichever one it was
One thing to question about the higher end fear for kai is that oogway suggests it’s actually much easier to leave the spirit realm than kai believed. I’m not sure what this would mean though cause I’m not a powerscaler.
6:20 Dang, I knew Kai won but I didn’t knew Death had motion like that, I always just thought of him as YT Shorts/TikTok edit fodder, lot style, lot of flash, not a lot of substance.
Just wait until Death Fans try to use the old "bU-bU-bUt dEaTh iZ uNbEaTaBLe bEeCuZ hEs dEaTh, sTrAiGhT uP!!11!!1!1:1!!!11?:;!'?;;!!" Argument. Bc my God that is just SO annoying. And them saying that this version of Death shouldn't have powerscaling just bc of that stupidity. Its Not fair and that would KILL(no pun intended) the EXACT purpose of vs debates everywhere. It would be like saying that Death From Adventure Time, Family Guy, ect are unbeatable and above scailing bc of the EXACT SAME THING. Ignoring their feats, accomplishments, and scailing just bc they're Death and nothing else is not fair at all.
@@joshuahughes3377 these days I see death haters claiming he's featless and wall level at every corner. Which I figure was a counter measure but has grown to be equally annoying. I _Really_ did think Death would gotten this one, but that was more cause I thought Shrekverse magic was more powerful than kung fu panda chi stuff. Oh well.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 I'm not a Death hater, Nor did I say anything about that. I just hate Death Wankers. They're so incredibly irritating. That's all I was saying or trying to say. That's it.
@@joshuahughes3377I believe ya. Sorry if I was coming in with an accusatory comment. The Death glazing did get out of hand for a while, I just think the death downplay got just as bad if not worse and is still going on to this day where as I don't see death being hyped up nearly as much.
The only way I could see Death upscaling Kai is if its revealed Death has been to other worlds and other timelines in the Dreamworks verse. This would mean everyone who has ever died in any world Death upscales. But that's if such a thing happens I doubt it would but hey stranger things have happened Until such an occasion Death is gonna have to bite his tounge and wait Or not cause I mean Kai is already dead again so I guess Death got the last laugh
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i dont feel like it
Could you scale scratt from the ice age movies?
Being strong doesn’t mean your fast someone could lift 500 lbs but not run like 500 miles a second also you need hard proof not a guess for a death battle.
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You see, for this debate, we need a kai who hasn't taken anyone's chi yet, otherwise he is cheating strength.
I really really love the idea of actually scaling two Western animated characters, it's something so rarely done in the vs or scaling community, outside of Death Battle, so this feels so cathartic.
Edit: You should do a video on Gunmar from Trollhunters, this channel could be an absolute home for toon movie fans
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It is nice seeing it, but God I much prefer it when it’s actually done well. Not whatever wank-fest this video puts on display.
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It’s a tie because neither of them can kill the other person. Death cannot kill Kai because Kai was already dead and he’s a spirit warrior, and Kai cannot kill death because death is death so it’s a tie there is no winner.
Death is technically a Grime Reaper type figure, and the whole point to the Grime Reaper to guide already dead souls to the after life. So Death could technically just force Kai to the afterlife. After all Death hates people who can cheat "death" in any sort of way.
Kai is already a part of the afterlife hes been there 500 years. Theres nothing to force. Even po tried to force him back using the wuxi finger hold. It didnt do shit and he laughed. And even if death sent him back, hed get back out again.@luce698
@@Sobek2600 the spirit world is sort of different from the afterlife, its for Kungfu masters so Death can force Kai into the regular afterlife
@@zaBeheadedand he'd be back out anyway
it doesn't have to be a fight to the death for one to win
Basically DreamWorks version of kratos Vs thanatos
Omg yes
Or Hades vs Thanatos💪
"Oogway is very literal." The dude LITERALLY speaks in metaphors and Confucianisms.
i think the most literal he's ever been is right after shifu tells him tai lung broke outta prison right after he told shifu "theres just news, there is no good or bad." to which the response to said news was: "...oh, that is bad news"
@@aronsmith3417 And then continued with "IF you do not believe the Dragon Warrior can stop him.
Shifu is Confucianism, Oogway is Daoism
@@lukeroberson2115 he wants Shifu to believe that Po is the dragon warrior and can stop Tai lung, when he said that, it's a meaning of being literal
Oogway is very literal, example when speaking to Monkey, Oogway said "mmhm monke". how can you get more literal than that? :D
6:11 this actually makes Deaths presence in the movie a bit cooler since he would've been around for when the last wishing star's own swan song.
9:28 ok just a quick nitpick here, but its a magic bag. The bag probably conjures what ever you desire from it, as long as it was placed inside prior. A bag in general would rather useless if you can't take things out of it, so obviously there will be magic to allow you to retrieve whatever you put in.
Doesn't change anything however, since shrek magic and kung fu panda chi likely arent similar enough to compare and we can't reasonbly compare death to the bag anyway.
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Damn I did NOT expect kung fu panda to be so strong i just thought kung fu panda was like small-large building level and like subsonic+-supersonic speed
It is, that scalling is bullshit
@@Miix151 nah i think he presented fine higher end metas
@@Julian.noa21Yea but the stuff he's using aren't canon. The show for Puss is canon since it actually is meant to be a prequel. He's also severely highballing.
its fucking bullshit realisticly kung fu panda verse is subsonic+ and town level in ap@@Julian.noa21
Large building level? I was thinking at least country.
I would argue that Death isn’t technically living, and chi is described as the life flow of the KFP universe. So Kai wouldn’t be able to take Death’s “chi” because he technically wouldn’t have any. But even then, Kai is still faster with greater AP. Amazing video! I was really looking forward to you making this video^^
I don't think he has any chance against the grim reaper dude.
faster? Death teleports multiple times in the movie
@@KR91201 That doesn't mean anything. What does being the Grim Reaper of the Shrek universe actually mean? Because traditionally, the grim reaper just guides the souls of the dead, he doesn't actually kill anyone himself, let alone have advanced fighting skills.
The Wolf in The Last Wish is clearly a _unique interpretation_ of the concept, so you can't just say "he's the grim reaper, so he auto wins," when his job was NEVER to kill people (one of Puss' previous lives literally calls him out on this). We don't have *_any_* reason to believe his actual fighting skills are any greater than what was stated, and Kai out scales everything in the Shrek universe (he also can't be killed because he's already a spirit).
@@DLxxx Death in any verse is just death. Why is it all of a sudden not mean anything bc its in Shreks verse lol?
@@DLxxxgrim reaper traditional like what what culture are you talking about because last time I checked the grim reaper is more than capable of killing literally anything and there are other things besides the grim reaper to guide souls so the grim reaper just guiding souls is just ridiculous if you ask me
It's been shown that fire in Shrek can destroy souls and Death has been shown to use fire. So has there been any instance of anybody (Especially Kai) surviving soul destruction before.
Kai has actually been shown to be incredibly vulnerable to the destruction of the soul or at least attacks that harm the soul directly
Ohhh damn. Then Death wins no?
Where did u get the idea that fire destroys souls? Or did u just pull it out of ur @ss so that death can win. Kai is immortal. Death doesn’t apply to him because he’s already dead. That’s why in order for Po to defeat him he had to erase him from existence, not kill him, u can’t kill a dead person.
KFP4 but that movie sucks so idk
@@TheSlowScholar It’s been shown in the Shrek verse that fire can kill ghost in Shrek 4D Dragon killed ghost Fardquad with her fire even someone like Puss could damage ghost and spirits in his respected show also Kai isn’t really dead because he didn’t die due to natural causes he was banished by Oogway and the Spirt Realm isn’t really the afterlife it’s one exclusively for kung fu masters that’s why there’s barely anyone there and it’s somewhat irrelevant due to anyone being able to leave if they have enough chi.
Also Po didn’t erase him from existence he just pumped his soul with to much chi then he died instantly and if he was erased then how could The Chameleon change into him and he was literally brought back in the fourth movie sure he didn’t talk or do much but he was still there.
The king dropped another fire ass video
0:24 jut summed up the whole fight right there
damn you;re kinda dumb
Death was able to walk through the magical fire because he was hotter than it.
Its a wolf 💀
Bro that’s a wild animal man 💀
@@slaveowner6915 You can't come at me for being a furry with a username like that. 🤣
@@elijahross9961 He walks on two feet, wears clothes, and is bilingual. If you think he's an animal in the real world sense you might as well call me a wild ape.
Bro.....💀
I will use this video as evidence for the ridiculousness of scaling. This kind of content is why I've subscribed, keep up the good work!
0:44
Goji-Chronic Jobby fan confirmed??????????
Yea
This might have been a loss battle but hey death was now upscaled
This was such an interesting watch.
Jesus christ, I didn't even think Kai was remotely that strong... Jesus, Universal power output?! my god.
Be sure to subscribe for more surprises Lmao
It's bullsh*t scaling.
Awesome video!
From what I understand the uni argument for Shrek 4 isn't that he created a space time but the fact he survived said reality being erased, cause as we see he wasn't sent back to the main reality like everyone else and yet still survived
Apparently, there is Puss and therefore Death scaling to The Arcanum which be superior to magical spells such as Artephius's magic spell that he did to conjure Puss Dos who is a clone duplicate experiment gone wrong. When Artephius conjured up Puss Dos, it created an ethnic pressure imbalance that desynchronized the spin rates of the hermetic realm barrier loop membranes causing dozens of Pusses from other universes to be sucked into the Netherworld. To give a more perspicacious explanation of what he's saying. The ethnic pressure imbalance is referring to the disruption caused by a conflicting or unbalanced energies that have disrupted the natural laws of things. You can sorta think of Puss Dos as an a anomaly for that upon creation. The desynchronized spin rates is obviously pertained to the disruption in the magical energies or forces that govern the fabric of reality within the show's universe as afterwards it talks about the hermetic, sealed off, realm barriers between worlds/universes. What this basically all means is that the spell that conjured Puss Dos created a ripple effect across these 39 dimensions and timelines. Essentially affecting them by having desynchronize the barriers between worlds.
I am quoting what the page I found said here.
character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Puss_in_Boots_(Canon)/MemeLordGamer_Trap?so=search
So, correct me if I am wrong.
That could be seen as an absurd High-End(or something like that) for Death.
But it depends on how others interpret it or if they believe it.
Not trying to say Death wins or loses,
I'm just saying that it depends on how others view it.
bro what
@@normalcrab
What's wrong?
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@@joshuahughes3377 Well Kai can get a similar level of scaling. You see the Spirit Realm is not just a singular construct. It has similarly multiple realms inside of it for the different Kung fu Masters. A realms within realms situation if you will. There has not been a confirmed number of the amount of warriors in The Spirit Realm. Their would at least be multiple dozens, hundreds, if not thousands of realms inside of it. So, you can get Kai escaping the Spirit Ream to be just as if not more powerful than the casting of Puss Dos.
We need a Death Battle of Kai vs Death, idk why but I just personally think that would be cool
It would be.
The real battle is : who has the best theme music?
Now that is the true question. Both have such different themes that both are insanely threatening. And the best part is that they both give off the “I’m here” vibe, but one being bombastic and the other being an threat.
kai
Kai without a doubt. Death's "theme song" isn't even much of a theme song if I'm being real.
Who can win: literally death or funny water buffalo on steroids.
Leave appa out of this he didn’t do nothing
More like a furry vs sprite warrior
It’s all true
Death vs a spirit what does common sense telling you? Think
What is
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@@lycantubeves5992 mindless children click everything. Whats your point?
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IMO Kai overpowering spirit realm works kinda like black holes warping reality. They don't have to be universal level in terms of power (they have finite mass and finite energy) yet ability to concentrate said energy can do miracle-level feats
Iirc, the wishing star's fire was actually existence erasure, not literal fire, and death could use a similar ability at will. Furthermore, magic in Shrek has been shown to harm or destroy souls / spirits. Keep in mind, Kai is vulnerable to soul destruction. Furthermore, he uses chi, which is life energy. Certainly, it has a spiritual and mystical component, but that actually just gives death more options. Shrek verse has immortality, reality warping, space/time manipulation, undeath, etc. Even if Kai is demonstrably more powerful than the physical form Death takes, this is really a hax battle. I don't think Kai could stop death, and death could reasonably collect Kai. Also, magic and chi, while related in KFP verse, are not exactly the same. While Kai could potentially defeat Death, he'd have to do it forever, which he arguably can't. He'd eventually make a mistake or potentially exhaust enough chi for Death to get an opening. Death cannot die. Death casually walked through existence erasure. And Kai, even as a spirit warrior, was able to be killed (again).
A godzilla powerscaler powerscaling a kung fu panda character.
I'd love to see you powerscale lord shen.
i see no godzilla
@@xdang-worldoftanksblitz6636 read again
@@XTP_X_The_Penguin and i dont see no godzilla
@@xdang-worldoftanksblitz6636 😭
He is a peacock with firework cannons
Death was such a good villain tho 😂
One of the battles I most wanted to know the winner of! thanks Goji-C
To be honest, I don’t think Kai could kill death, but I bet he could overpower and definitely walk away with the win
elaborate more
@@mu1_regenerate he says because he said Kai could overpower the spirit realm. He could kill death. I don’t see it like that. It sounds like he could just overpower it, because if he could actually could kill death he would have destroyed The spirit realm, rather than just overpowered it just to escape it.
@@therandomchannelx4875 If Kai can overpower Death, he'd be able to absorbe him. It doesn't matter if Death can be killed or not. Oogway was also inmortal and he got absorbed.
@@Angel_Sony But death doesnt have chi. its.. death. its not alive. Kai wouldnt be able to take deaths chi. And if Kai was to overpower Kai he would get serious. Thats something people dont talk about.
Kai literally escaped "death"
dreamwork doesnt realize how mutch they make their antagonists overpowered
Scott Pilgrim victims smh, but W matchup. Though you didn't bring up how Puss already fought a guy who was stated to transcend all magical power in the verse before fighting Death, which has been shown to warp reality and create seperate dimensions as shown in the PIB Show, aswell as Puss scaling to the blood wolf who was stated multiple times to exist before time did. Still a great vid
Amazing content as always
Personally wouldn’t scale Kai to uni, because in PoD another character who broke out of the Spirit Realm (Jindiao), could only do so after absorbing the power of the Wellspring, the source of all chi, which is a feat that was described as never done before by anyone (which would include Kai). Multi-Continent is consistent with Dragon Knight though, since Po scales to characters who can recreate Pangaea.
Death - Why won't you die !!
Kai - Chi son, it hardens in response to spiritual trauma
That's real understandable given that death does not have that many feats in his first movie showing, BUT there is ONE way I think he "could" scale above Kai, there is a RUclipsr called the theorizer and as crazy as this sounds there is a way to get death connected to a higher meta if we were to believe his theory's on Mort the lemur, but that'd be big if true
Yes
I was searching for this comment.
According to the show base, Mort is Multi-versal
I've watched all 7 hours of the theory, and it may be canon.
Mort is high Multi-versal he wipes the floor with Kai
@@Soundwave_Superior_45 yeah that's if we do take this interpretation of the show writers somewhat supporting this theory, but I'd say on average Kai should win but I did wanna point this out. I'm glad somebody else knows about the theory though. 👍
@MrAlex-mu5mw Mort genuinely terrifies me. Writers made him a multidimensional god for shits and giggles 😃
I feel like jack horner's infintie bag just had coat hangers or smthing on the sides so they items wouldnt fall infinitely
Based on a breakdown of the animation of the scene where puss and death in the bar… death got hit by puss, right through the face at that. It’s not that he needs to be stronger or faster. This dude ignores physical threats and tbh the wolf probably isn’t the only form he can take. To add to that fact Kai cheating death would only serve to annoy him (as he stated himself… he doesn’t like cats for the 9 lives thing). Death is a concept, arguably a force of nature… which is why he just ignored Puss’s successful hit. I don’t think Kai could actually touch him if he tried. As theoretically powerful as Kai is… Death is like gravity… you can’t kill gravity.
He literally lost to Puss later in the movie.
@@eugenekrabs141 AND they said that puss's attack had no effect on him when later in the movie he got hit with a kick and a stomp to the head, yeah, those hurt him too.
@IdentityX69420 No it very much was a battle. He literally gave it his all and could not beat a cat with some skills in swordplay.
@IdentityX69420 Yup. Difference is Goku and Saitama win the battles.
@IdentityX69420 He lost because at that point he was weaker but he always ends up winning to the dudes at the end (Except Goku Black. Goku Black is stronger than actual Goku.). Really basic stuff here.
Nice vid
Using some guid book calms about the spirit, you could argue 4d to 5d for kai.
And you can argue inaccessible speed as the spirit realm ia above the the concept of time, meaning moving in there is like moving in a place that lacks time
Always wanted to see the match up but not in a whole would win just how they would interact
I say It’s a tie because both are strong and powerful. Kai basically beat death to return to life but he is vulnerable to attacks on the soul. But Death is the concept of death and can truly never be defeated and can shape-shift in your greatest foe, but can be beat if you show no fear
Realistically, since kai isn't mortal, death can't really do shit about it. So that makes it a battle of skill which goes to kai. But neither of these 2 can die so itll be a draw anyway.
They can both die, Kai literally died at the end of KFP3, y’all need to stop wanting these guys off to oblivion.
Well, Kai defeated Oogway who was inmortal by absorbing it. He could do the same with Death if it can't be killed.
I mean. If you destroy him then he can technically die. Rip off his head and what's he really going to do. Same for Death.
@kyleb7974 well ripping his head off would require him getting to his head. Issue is, kai outclasses death in every physical way. He's stronger, more skilled, etc. It neither had powers and were only combat kai wins low diff.
@@Sobek2600 Nah I'm just referring to the whole immortal thing applying to both Death and Kai. They may not be able to die, but they can be destroyed is what I'm trying to convey. For Death as well. In terms of where I stand on Death v Kai. Well, I wouldn't put either characters anywhere close to where they are in the videos. But Death's feats are closer to Tai Lung's than Kai's, arguably weaker.
The fact Po was over Kai level of destruction is insane and honestly it's impressive
Final thank you! 0:01
When they actualy meet
Death:Kai, arent you dead?
Kai:I just gave myself a second chance
Death:no one has escaped me yet
Kai:well let me be the first one
I mean kai wouldnt be scared of death since hes a general after all
great video bro
I feel like there are a lot of holes when scaling Kai. Po in the spirit world who unlocked his chi with some aid of the pandas was beating Kai up. So would that make Po beyond universal? Po was also able to leave the spirit realm not by overpowering it but by using the staff which is built upon in KP 4 which shows that getting out doesn't necessarily have to mean U have to overpower the whole realm which would be impossible because it's infinitely so the finite chi of even all the masters wouldn't be infinite. Death has much more concrete showings and consistency imo.
Bro, it aint a contest. The spirit realm is a place just for kung fu masters, its not normal death. And when Po beats Kai at the end, he sends him to ACTUAL death. But Death the character is straight up death. He IS death. He can't be killed, and if your able to die in any way, he can kill it, since he IS death. Unless your immortal or omnipotent or something, he can defeat you. It aint no contest at all, Death would win.
The Spirit Realm is just the place where Kung Fu masters go where they died. It’s basically Kung Fu Valhalla.
@@tacoenjoyer8623 yeah pretty much ur right
Being death is just a title and scales him nowhere
@@joaquinrivera6495 In this case it’s WAY more than a title. He isn’t just called death, he CONCEPTUALLY is death. Not in any other fancy way.
@@Chaoticee7801Nah lol:
Sure it's Death, but imagine a being completely immune to any cause of Death, including old age. Completely unable to die, then they just won't die no matter what. If something is completely omnipotent then they avoid Death. And he didn't manipulate reality in the movie. This is the Puss in Boots Death I'm talking about, Death glazers/overraters, and that wolf can't beat everything. So if you're immortal, you are unable to die no matter what and you cannot be murdered, you can just be completely immune to it but you can't defeat it. Kai is technically already dead being a Spirit Warrior, therefore cannot die again unless he has an overload of chi. The only weapons Puss in Boots Death has is his sickles and fire summoning. Which are not chi based and won't affect Kai. The actual thing is unbeatable, but the Puss in Boots Death is not unbeatable, people should stop overrating him. I have an idea that since this death us PUSS IN BOOTS DEATH is that the only souls he collects are inhabitants ofthe Puss in Boots/Shrek universe, and I have this idea if PIB death leaves his verse he can be killed OUTSIDE OF HIS VERSE since there being another death already in said other verse, PIB death would respond in his respective verse. Yeah he's not completely weak, but a LOT of other characters beat him. And also conceptual manipulation exists.
If you think about it, Death was JUST presented in a singular movie. Who knows what powerful foes he'll go after if they're dying to their own power.
Shrek Vs Death would destroy the universe
the bag that jack has is pretty much a dnd bag of holding
Damn so death isn’t fodder? Crazy
Finally😭🙏
I had a feeling I'd find you somewhere around here.
Ehhhh star level isn't much too a lot of verses
@@AJotasticGamer I agree, but at least Death is not Wall Level
@@AJotasticGamer it's a pitiful world we live in where a character being able to destroy a star can be scoffed at.
0:10 was tuff ngl
Battle of Immortals!👏👏👏
he is the physical manifestation of “death” he is death and it’s impossible to escape it when it catches up to you there is literally nothing kai can do agents death itself
Ok and? being the embodiment of death scales death nowhere. And he got his ass beat in his second 1v1 with puss
My guy this argument has stopped being good like a year ago
@@brothsipper-h5o What's your argument?
Are they oiled up or anything orrr???
I wish
0:44 I fr thought we were transforming a figure lmfao
1:12 Kai didn't go mad with power. Oogway just left his side and turned good.
Also, Jesus Christ, you REALLY do some over-scaling for both characters. I mean, seriously? "Dwarf Star Level"? Despite the fact that neither character threatens to crack the Earth with every strike? Or clearly ANY evidence to back these obviously *hyperbolic* statements you've been basing them off of?
Do you have glasses?
@@lycantubeves5992 Don't know what else to say, man. Every single point of evidence towards feats of strength and durability towards both candidates is based off of stories told through word of mouth (weakest form of evidence) or through scaling involving other previous combatants (an even MORE unreliable source, especially if you actually SEE the fight). If you poison a dragon in its sleep that doesn't automatically stronger than it.
Not to mention the misunderstanding of how magic and chi works. Obviously, for both sources there is no rock-solid book of rules on how they translate, but that's exactly why you shouldn't ADD rules to how they work. Spells almost always, in all forms of fantastical media, work to circumvent logic and physics. Just because that dark tortoise had a spell that could block an asteroid, DOESN'T mean that it can be perfectly used in combat. What if the shell only get stronger the further and larger it gets (making it significantly worse in combat)? There simply isn't enough evidence to make these claims viable.
Kai Negs godzilla is crazy 💀W vid bro
why are kung fu panda fights SOO FREAKIN COOL
not including kung fu panda 4 we don't talk about that one ahem
Do you ever examine the battles from a more casual perspective, just saying that scaling gets kind of boring
Yep.
Death still wins because you CANNOT kill death he is death how can he die if something can die he will be there and if the universe can die he is at least universal level still though good vid
Who wins
Wally west flash 🆚 death?
Your argument is terrible, like wow 💀
@@joaquinrivera6495 how is it bad explain im giving my my personal opinion and all you day is its terrible so explain your opinion and why mine is bad just because its my opinion
@@Thehalfbrainedbean wally wins
Death is never a person who can be bested, only the personification of an inevitability, and even in his own movie Death himself isn't defeated, only delayed by Puss resolving to value the life he has left instead of continuing to let his pride drive him into mortal peril.
Categorically, NOBODY wins against Death, because when every last spark of their strength is utterly spent, there it is, just as it always was, and just as it always will be. Permanence in any regard is only a lie we tell ourselves for our own comfort.
Edit: Also, Puss is one of if not the finest swordsman in his home setting, and his weapon of choice, the rapier, is one of if not the best weapon ever designed for unarmored dueling. Being able to casually outclass an opponent of that level with a weapon chosen purely for aesthetic rather than any real practicality is kind of a big deal.
Outro Made me cry
Death would win because plot armor and also it’s what every fan wanna see if dreamworms made a movie bout it
I love how people say death is literally death when king fu panda 4 explicitly tells us Kai isn’t mortal 😂
Still death is death being immortal won’t help the concept of death vs a spirit what do you think
@@wendybasile7748 I understand where you’re coming from, but to be immortal literally means immune to death. He is not any regular spirit hes a master of Chi, and a warrior on the same level as Oogway Prime (skill wise) although death would put up a great fight Kai will eventually win
@@DentingMarrow_56 Well Kai wouldn’t really win more than anything it’s a stalemate because death is a concept meaning that he can’t be killed since he’s a literal concept. Death however can’t do anything to Kai since he’s already dead. Of course doe he could just spam Kai to the afterlife but Kai could just get out of it.
The only other stats I could give Death would be Omniscient.
Omniscient: If he’s the physical embodiment of Death, that means he would’ve been around since the beginning of time and that would give him knowledge of creations entire history.
Oogway vs God of War Zeus or God of War Odin whichever one or Kai vs Maui
In all honesty, we can't scale death's full power because he doesn't have one. He's death. He made it abundantly clear that he is the CONCEPT of death itself. Not an image of it. He is the literal act of death. Even immortality can't save you from it. Jellyfish are immortal and so are vampires, both of those being able to be killed. Even invulnerable people can die from old age. With that in mind, Death is limitless since he has to be able to overcome any form of life. It's not the same as fighting a grim reaper. If we take the scene with gim and Puss for example, he can literally just end your life with hax like whe he shattered the crystals of his last life if he wanted to. But he was tryinv to torment Puss for thinking he was Immortal. So he wanted to fight him and show Puss that no matter what he did, Death couldn't be defeated.
Ok, so what? Kai is literally undead.
Get bro to uni level
@@saltator8565 That doesn't change what I said. Kai still has a defined limit. He's not a concept. He's just a guy lol I was temptef to not respond to this because I wanted you to come to the understanding on your own. It appears you didnt. It doesn't matter if you're undead or not. You're still fighting someone who is an embodiment of an unstoppable force. This isn't an unstoppable force vs immovable object fight. Kai isn't immovable, he was beaten by Po.
@@saltator8565 So he's alive?
@@thearchitectofthehounds9815 True.
something about his infinite speed feat is well
he might have travelled an infinite place in 500 years
this is why some powescalers really annoy me, while i do agree that feats are very important they aren't the be all end all but people act like they are and they get so wrapped up in calculations that they forget to take a step back and look at things how they are: kai can die, death is death, can kai beat him in a fight? sure if we treat death as any other thing with limited stamina and that. but as long as you can die, death always wins in the end. point is, we know basically nothing about death apart from the fact he is death, we don't know if the forms it takes can be damaged or if they get tired. also the "feat" of kai shaking the earth in his fight with oogway proves how mfs just be taking figures of speech at face value esspecially given how there is zero proof to back up them literally shaking the earth.
You’re not Einstein, I’m sorry to say. In fact your argument is probably one of the saddest excuses I’ve ever seen. Being Death ≠ unkillable, there exist so many goddamn stories where Death has died (Thanatos in God of War, Death in Family Guy, Satan in Marvel, etc.). Scaling is important, otherwise, nothing is stopping me from saying Homer Simpson would solo the entire DC cosmology into nothingness as he was once stated to be invincible.
@@dirtyfighters7751 do my eyes deceive me, is this goofball really trying to say because that’s how death works in those universes it must be the same in this one????
I’ll admit that all I’m saying about death is speculation due to the fact that IT IS DEATH and there is a lot to be said with that title, but at least I’m not saying how things work by going off of completely different universes. And can you read by chance?? I literally said that feats are important but they aren’t the end all be all
@@greendoor4039 Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying, and literally nothing contradicts my statement whatsoever. Death was harmed and even drew small amounts of blood from Puss, meaning he isn’t invincible by any stretch of the medium and absolutely nothing in the movie implies he’s invincible. Your argument stops at “He’s Death”, and as I said before, many other Deaths have died. He still has to prove just HOW powerful he is, as Deaths come in many different strengths and sizes. Death in The Simpsons was killed in a car crash, whereas Thanatos in God of War is a primordial entity who existed before the creation of time and can abolish Multiversal hazards and conceptual figments. Death in Puss in Boots has shown nothing special in particular, and so, there’s 0 reason to believe he is anything special when comparing him to other Deaths. It’s common sense.
@@dirtyfighters7751 no because if you watch the final fight you’ll note that he walks through existence erasure at the edges of the star or is at the very least immune to magic that is proof enough in my opinion. Also where did he draw blood??
@@greendoor4039 I exactly watched the final fight, something you Death wankers desperately need to do a million times before commenting on posts like this again. Also, he walks through the Wishing Star’s barrier, true, but like, when is it ever even slightly insinuated it’s an Existence Erasure? Hell one of Goldilocks’ bears literally survived having half its body engulfed inside of it, what, does the bear have reality erasure immunity? It’s called wanking something off, that’s what. All it insinuates is Death is either uneffected to begin with as it doesn’t apply to him specifically or he manipulated the barrier (which is actually likely considering he was shown as being capable of pyrokinesis). He drew blood after Puss drop-kicked him and he said “Bueno… muito bueno…” and rubbed his nose, a very, very common symptom of someone who’s, at the very least, dazed.
Me thinking what death is: a being that takes shape as what the person fears
I feel that all these statement seems a little exaggerate, but I like it noneless
The Verminator would sweep both these characters without lifting a finger 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
I get the idea but there shouldn’t really be any scaling here, death is the whole concept of death, every person who’s died is another feat for him. If Kai can’t be killed because he is allready dead, that doesn’t change the fact that he can still be taken back to the spirit world like po did to him. So if death can traverse from the mortal plane to the spirit realm and back at will(which would make sense because he is literally death.) then it would be very easy for him to just snap Kai back to the spirit realm, especially sense he can probably teleport as seeing how he can just move from spot to spot in the movie. And the fact that as death, he can neither die nor be harmed in the first place.
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Well death is death in the puss in Boots/Shrek universe, I'd say only the people in the pib/Shrek verse who've died have been collected by death and not characters from other universes.
It's fucking hilarious that Death has ACTUAL scaling.
Still neither of em scale to mort from madagascar true death
Curious George wipes his ass with both of them fr
Considering how in other universes such as marvel and GOW's version death can be defeated, I would say Shrek verse's dead can be beaten in a fight too
that makes no sense tho
@@uncroppedsoop It should if you are immortal, or not from the shrek verse.
@@AceofSpades-g14 Or just powerful enough to actually kill Death, which is more than possible.
@@uncroppedsoopThere is also no reason to assume that Death would magically win any fight though. Especially if said fight isn’t even with a mortal being
A battle royale between every incarnation of Death. Personally, my money's on Death from Darksiders.
Death is the better villain by far.
Nah Lord Shen and Tai Lung solos in writing
@@GaspiZWis True, but not Kai.
@@TomFriedman-vx1ku Yeah I agree with that
@@GaspiZWis Thanks.
Yeah I agree Kai has always been imo more badass but he ain’t better in writing terms 😂
W, vid johi.
Death is way older and has more experience he was born at the beginning of life and time so he will have the power and knowledge to beat Kai no matter what people say
Cope at its finest
Bro got knocked down by a tabby with a toothpick💀
Death wouldn't know anything about chi though since he's not from the kung fu panda world though.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 he is death from everywhere in the universe and more so I’m pretty sure he knows what it is
@@Sabergamer2001 People keep saying that Death beats everyone. He literally doesn't show any feats above wall level except the walking through the wishing star wall, which IS impressive. Yeah it didn't erase him because he's a freaking concept, bozos saying that, no crap it didn't erase him. And if a character died or can die, that doesn't automatically make them a Death victim. I bet many more characters have better feats than surviving existence erasure tbh. People also say he's omnipresent speed, but didn't keep up with puss when he was running out of the Cave of Lost souls. No cosmology above wall level except that one feat, and the death symbolism doesn't mean anything when there are immortal characters. What the heck is he gonna do against someone who is immortal, huh?! So he's not omnipotent, he's not omniscient, he's not omnipresent, he's not Outerversal, he's not boundless, etc, and definitely does not solo all of fiction like some people say. -_-
but you also could argue that death scales above K'fhoggnarh and the blood wolf from the puss in boots show
HACK HORNER HAS INFINITE SPEED😂
Hack horner 💀💀💀
Kai was my favorite kung fu panda villain so I like this video
W, you can argue kai having immesurable speed as it's stated in the spirit realm that it has no concept of time so immesurable speed, you can also argue 4D-5D kai but W fr
Feats wise? Yeah Kai curbstomps its not even close but meta-wise? Death wins, it doesn't matter if Kai is a spirit warrior, who says he can't kill spirits? He is LITERALLY Death itself, the Ultimate, the Inevitability. If Kai faced Death, Death would take the form of a Lion- Buffalo's (Kai's) natural predator
And still lose.he got humbled by a little cat. Even in wolf form. Immortal characters who don't die from old age or other means practically counter death and it doesn't matter if death supposedly already killed him in this scenario they're meeting up or just finding out about each other.
Good God. Kai is so much stronger than I thought!
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That's because the creator of this video is talking bs.
If anything I would scale Death's durability to Rumpelstiltskin's contract which was able to destroy the whole Shrek timeline or universe or dimension, whichever one it was
I seriously can not understand how people can actually agree with this. Bots sides here are just flawed on a fundamental level.
Agreed, 😂 this shit is so goofy tbh
@@hhnoyeet342 I know, right.
One thing to question about the higher end fear for kai is that oogway suggests it’s actually much easier to leave the spirit realm than kai believed. I’m not sure what this would mean though cause I’m not a powerscaler.
6:20 Dang, I knew Kai won but I didn’t knew Death had motion like that, I always just thought of him as YT Shorts/TikTok edit fodder, lot style, lot of flash, not a lot of substance.
Where in the Shrek canon is the star at 6:04 from?
Puss in Boots Netflix series.
@@kingkamron9875 Thanks 😊
Just wait until Death Fans try to use the old
"bU-bU-bUt dEaTh iZ uNbEaTaBLe bEeCuZ hEs dEaTh, sTrAiGhT uP!!11!!1!1:1!!!11?:;!'?;;!!"
Argument.
Bc my God that is just SO annoying.
And them saying that this version of Death shouldn't have powerscaling just bc of that stupidity.
Its Not fair and that would KILL(no pun intended) the EXACT purpose of vs debates everywhere.
It would be like saying that
Death From Adventure Time, Family Guy, ect are unbeatable and above scailing bc of the EXACT SAME THING.
Ignoring their feats, accomplishments, and scailing just bc they're Death and nothing else is not fair at all.
But Death is planetary to dwarf star level.
Sounds like he is still very strong after all.
@@AceofSpades-g14
Ik.
I saw that part of the video.
I was just warning them about the obsessive Death fans claiming and assuming things about him.
@@joshuahughes3377 these days I see death haters claiming he's featless and wall level at every corner. Which I figure was a counter measure but has grown to be equally annoying.
I _Really_ did think Death would gotten this one, but that was more cause I thought Shrekverse magic was more powerful than kung fu panda chi stuff. Oh well.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55
I'm not a Death hater,
Nor did I say anything about that.
I just hate Death Wankers.
They're so incredibly irritating.
That's all I was saying or trying to say.
That's it.
@@joshuahughes3377I believe ya. Sorry if I was coming in with an accusatory comment. The Death glazing did get out of hand for a while, I just think the death downplay got just as bad if not worse and is still going on to this day where as I don't see death being hyped up nearly as much.
You should do Death Vs Shrek
The only way I could see Death upscaling Kai is if its revealed Death has been to other worlds and other timelines in the Dreamworks verse. This would mean everyone who has ever died in any world Death upscales.
But that's if such a thing happens
I doubt it would but hey stranger things have happened
Until such an occasion Death is gonna have to bite his tounge and wait
Or not cause I mean Kai is already dead again so I guess Death got the last laugh