‘WHAT ARE WE DOING?!’ Taylor Twellman’s full rant on the USMNT missing the World Cup | ESPN Archive

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  • Опубликовано: 31 окт 2024

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  • @cesare7101
    @cesare7101 5 лет назад +4988

    Get a president in the Federation that had ever played soccer first.
    Change the way the MLS is structured.
    All the academies have to stop charging money to the kids over 10 that have potential to become pro.
    Get rid of the stupid idea that you have to go through college before you go to the MLS.
    *THIS IS HOW YOU CHANGE THE CULTURE*

    • @IchibotK
      @IchibotK 5 лет назад +97

      The three more popular sports all have commercialized youth leagues. The soccer teams just need to up the attendance for games in their own respective cities.

    • @ratedpending
      @ratedpending 5 лет назад +169

      The last one has happened mostly, and it's not the MLS academies themselves, it's the other youth academies that MLS academies look at. MLS academies aren't looking at places with the most available talent because the most available talent can't afford to get on other youth sides.

    • @Benderthegr865
      @Benderthegr865 5 лет назад +25

      No one cares about soccer here..all the athletes play football and basketball

    • @prestongreene7489
      @prestongreene7489 5 лет назад +66

      @DonCervantes add to that "winning" and "scholarships". I coached my daughters club team from age 8-18. The best "team" in the state for the first few years had 200 kids to tryouts.....they stole my best player and others (i only had 17 kids at tryouts, community team)....and they won the state cup. However, i went to a cup game of theirs......all great athletes....only 3 good soccer players. The soccer was awful. Complete waste of talent!!!!! When winning becomes more important then development.......we have "missed it". Develope first.....the wins will come.
      Parents and coaches need to change their thinking of what is important........winning now and scholarship mentality at ages 8-14 needs to be dropped.

    • @trorisk
      @trorisk 5 лет назад +29

      I'm french and i'm worry about USMNT (not for mls it will be a wonderfull league in some decades) . I will complete what written Perston Greene with my own words and a different angle.
      Nowaday the first problem for the USMNT is the US mindset. Every country have his own style build about his country mindset. USMNT is like americans people. With a rough style, very offensive and weak defensively. A game of individual flashes and not a collective game built since the defense.

  • @ironicvirus1496
    @ironicvirus1496 4 года назад +4338

    Some part in Pulisic's mind is wondering what would've happened if he declared for Croatia

    • @JDGreen-vj7wx
      @JDGreen-vj7wx 4 года назад +598

      Imagine him in the final against France, so much could've been different.

    • @sabus1265
      @sabus1265 4 года назад +385

      They would still lose against France

    • @tomralph8540
      @tomralph8540 4 года назад +362

      He wouldn't get in the team :)

    • @JDGreen-vj7wx
      @JDGreen-vj7wx 4 года назад +190

      @@sabus1265 to be fair, Croatia lost bc of an own goal and a penalty.

    • @15xChampions
      @15xChampions 4 года назад +35

      Tom Ralph true, they have perisic on the left wing.

  • @gabrielbelt8901
    @gabrielbelt8901 4 месяца назад +111

    What a video to watch in 2024 when the same stuff is happening. 7 years ago

    • @JanuaryTheFirst-nn3jc
      @JanuaryTheFirst-nn3jc 3 месяца назад

      Spoke too soon.

    • @The_Loathsome
      @The_Loathsome 3 месяца назад

      We’re in a much better position now as a whole then we were then. This was more about us not being serious about hiring a great coach after 2022.

  • @TimothyOSullivan-b3j
    @TimothyOSullivan-b3j 4 месяца назад +259

    Who’s here after we lost to Uruguay

    • @cornfed4732
      @cornfed4732 4 месяца назад +3

      Will we even make it out of our group at the world cup?

    • @kellancarney810
      @kellancarney810 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@cornfed4732depends on the group,
      I know this doesn't happen, but let's just say hypothetically
      If we get drawn into the exact same 2022 world cup group again, we get grouped without a win

    • @tbfünke
      @tbfünke 4 месяца назад +1

      @@cornfed4732 We've done that several times, including the most recent world cup lol

    • @cornfed4732
      @cornfed4732 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tbfünke I know but we are so inconsistent

    • @tbfünke
      @tbfünke 4 месяца назад

      @@cornfed4732 My bad, I thought you asked if we would *ever* get out of a world cup group

  • @mojorider8067
    @mojorider8067 5 лет назад +1517

    taylor's ranting is the only good thing that has happened to u.s. soccer in the last two years.

    • @TheNickolo777
      @TheNickolo777 4 года назад +33

      Playfulpanthress oh yeah so they can lose to u-15 teams too just like the womens team does 💀

    • @jeffmachem2702
      @jeffmachem2702 4 года назад +6

      @@TheNickolo777 Mens team sucks. those U15 players wanna go represent the US? they would be a better substitute

    • @isahbello9785
      @isahbello9785 4 года назад +8

      @@jeffmachem2702 Or better yet have the women's team represent the Men's team,they would fail spectacularly and everyone would finally stop comparing them.

    • @bergen9
      @bergen9 4 года назад +2

      @Playfulpanthressif us women play with men they will get rekt

    • @reg5893
      @reg5893 4 года назад +4

      @@bergen9 Women would lose with men in any other sports. Biology ,how simple is that. What about this masculine butthurt?

  • @nismokid2533
    @nismokid2533 5 лет назад +2463

    I can find a group of Mexican immigrant kids in the Chicago suburbs that can beat this MNST.

    • @christiansoto9755
      @christiansoto9755 5 лет назад +452

      problem is those kids would rather play for mexico because mls charges them money for the chance to play.

    • @andresvasquez9305
      @andresvasquez9305 5 лет назад +196

      Pay-To-Play has to take a hike. I see american kids only practicing freekicks, which is good, but never do they muster the courage of playing the game itself. There is TONS of talent inside the USA, its just that the culture is not being efficient with the sport itself...

    • @tonybarnett9813
      @tonybarnett9813 5 лет назад +25

      I'm pretty sure a random assortment of 5-year-olds in any other country can beat this MNST.

    • @nofurtherwest3474
      @nofurtherwest3474 5 лет назад +59

      @@andresvasquez9305 I think the problem is that it's a suburban sport. What we need is little plots of land to play on in the urban areas. We need futsal courts for the youth, not just basketball courts at every playground. Otherwise we should stick with suburban style ball, ie long ball and athleticism, which can work. There are many ways to win in soccer. I'd rather us get better at playing from the back but our kids do not develop good enough feel early on.

    • @sublime9525
      @sublime9525 5 лет назад +13

      Not true as Mexico and the US both are shitty in football

  • @kreinvisscher7656
    @kreinvisscher7656 4 года назад +749

    iceland is playing in europe so there way to a worldcup is way harder than the way for the USA

    • @mikehunt7909
      @mikehunt7909 4 года назад +43

      Krein Visscher Exactly!! And US were comparing themselves to Germany!!

    • @anonymousperson3023
      @anonymousperson3023 4 года назад +27

      @@mikehunt7909 when have we ever compared ourselves with Germany

    • @tenko5541
      @tenko5541 4 года назад +4

      @@mikehunt7909 when???

    • @je7710
      @je7710 4 года назад +4

      Kendrick Mott midway through the video Taylor did

    • @wizardishere5633
      @wizardishere5633 4 года назад +2

      the only comparrison that is fair is comparring usa to mexico or norway

  • @murderszn8133
    @murderszn8133 5 лет назад +2073

    America's entire football system is backwards. Having to go to college before turning pro is dumb, this isn't the nba or nfl, when u look at the best leagues in world they have 16, 17 year olds that are pros playing with menm

    • @23bitchris60
      @23bitchris60 5 лет назад +186

      WVY KING that’s not true. I’ve seen so many Hispanics with talent but they can’t go to college because they don’t have the grades or can’t afford it.

    • @TheLocalLt
      @TheLocalLt 5 лет назад +8

      Pzezus it’s considered exploitation for the most part to be a professional before the age of 18 unless you have a “talent” (singer, dancer, etc)

    • @TrainerAQ
      @TrainerAQ 5 лет назад +41

      That is a dumb rule.

    • @karimzakaria9621
      @karimzakaria9621 5 лет назад +121

      The Rockster very true my man. I know alot of Brazilian americans, mexican americans, etc who stopped playimg soccer because clubs were too expensive and didnt have the money to go to college. The system here isnt built like Europe, Africa, South America.

    • @uprightfossil6673
      @uprightfossil6673 5 лет назад +49

      It is called 'pay to play' and it selects the best of those priviledged children whose parents were so busy making money that they send them off to soccer summer camps for several hundred dollars a week where they are recruited by coaches sitting in the stands

  • @staidenofanarchy
    @staidenofanarchy 4 года назад +630

    Pulisic spent most of his training years in the Bundesliga, that's why he's so good. America can't make a good men's team, and they won't until they change the training.

    • @hunterdvs6535
      @hunterdvs6535 4 года назад +15

      It has gotten better clubs like NYCFC and NY Red Bull’s Dallas and Seattle have really invested in the academy’s and it’s shown Weston McKennie came from Dallas academy and produced a couple more players who I think can make the jump to Europe NYCFC helped produce gio Reyna sent joe scally to gladbach and have a player in James sands who could make the jump the Red Bull’s produced Tyler adams and have players like Aaron long who was linked with west ham Seattle produced Clint Dempsey and yedlin unfortunately once you get passed those four clubs it’s very hit or miss but overall it is a lot better then it gets credit for
      Now are these academies gonna be confused with Ajax’s and Barca’s no but I think it’s good enough to help remove the us from the complete mediocrity it has been stuck in

    • @braedenbrown2138
      @braedenbrown2138 4 года назад +9

      Hunter Dvs it’s gotta a lot better since then. Pulisic is really good. Tyler Adams, McKinnie, Dest. It’s looking up

    • @jaredchacon2645
      @jaredchacon2645 4 года назад

      if we let our players do what Christian did, then just maybe we will start producing

    • @NAZAXP
      @NAZAXP 3 года назад +1

      Aiden, AMERICA? you meant the USA, America is a continent, no a country. Your welcome!

    • @staidenofanarchy
      @staidenofanarchy 3 года назад +6

      @@NAZAXP i cant tell if youre joking, and this is two months late, but...*you're

  • @nerdykiddy8466
    @nerdykiddy8466 4 месяца назад +78

    The US still can't beat Panama at home. Football Heritage

  • @benitoramos6067
    @benitoramos6067 5 лет назад +1853

    USA isn’t what you guys think .. they think about futbol as a business before an actual game

    • @HubertofLiege
      @HubertofLiege 5 лет назад +106

      Benito Ramos us soccer would rather make money than win

    • @benitoramos6067
      @benitoramos6067 5 лет назад +9

      True ...

    • @Benderthegr865
      @Benderthegr865 5 лет назад +30

      No athletes play soccer in America no one cares. Everyone plays football and basketball..who can beat the us in those sports?

    • @brenolugon7060
      @brenolugon7060 5 лет назад +102

      Finn The dog only you play these sports. Real football is played all around the world and everyone beats the US

    • @uprightfossil6673
      @uprightfossil6673 5 лет назад +36

      Arrogance begins with calling the game something other than what the entire world knows it as.... Soccer is not futbol. The USA and Australia play soccer... They also play rugby. They are good at rugby and suck at futbol. But will play each other to a tie in soccer and be PROUD

  • @whoareu5487
    @whoareu5487 4 года назад +403

    You can’t pay, you don’t play. Sad reality of soccer in the US.

    • @peps8430
      @peps8430 4 года назад +32

      You mean everything in the US

    • @davidboniface858
      @davidboniface858 4 года назад +14

      @@peps8430 not the case for Basketball and Gridiron football

    • @peps8430
      @peps8430 4 года назад +4

      david boniface yea you need to have money to attend all the academy and aau teams in order to get a scouts attention!!! MOST nba players went to academy not all

    • @SimpleE978
      @SimpleE978 4 года назад +22

      Here in europe, if they see talent they will take care of everything and let you focus on developing your skills and achieve your full potential, in other words they'll invest in you. The least you'll do is maybe buying your own fotball shoes and pay a small fee that even poor families can afford every month depending on which academy you're joining (big or small).

    • @nigelbenn4642
      @nigelbenn4642 3 года назад +1

      I don't understand. Who is paying what payments? This makes no sense.

  • @shaansiton7884
    @shaansiton7884 4 года назад +404

    We've been fielding privileged rich kids who have paid for all the best academies for decades... Need some more natural talent. Also from the youngest ages the way kids/teenagers are recruited is embarrassing, all about strength, speed, height etc. I've seen so many skilled players get completely overlooked because they're 5' 7, 5'8. Americans just want to do things their own way, how about paying attention to how successful countries do it and maybe you will be 🤦‍♀️

    • @mosalah6351
      @mosalah6351 4 года назад +12

      Spot on

    • @TomRiddler-m3j
      @TomRiddler-m3j 4 года назад +12

      JozoK_TM he probably wouldn’t have gotten a chance to play same with Ronaldo

    • @olly_evans
      @olly_evans 4 года назад +29

      The GOAT is 5'6" 😂

    • @shaansiton7884
      @shaansiton7884 4 года назад +29

      @@olly_evans Xavi and Iniesta would've sat the bench if they played D1 NCAA 🤣😭😭

    • @jaredchacon2645
      @jaredchacon2645 4 года назад

      exactly dude you nailed it

  • @kimberleeclemensen8413
    @kimberleeclemensen8413 4 года назад +2168

    US soccer is a joke.....if you’re rich you play....joke

    • @Minidunkathon93
      @Minidunkathon93 4 года назад +19

      Playfulpanthress How is he a clown?

    • @ironicvirus1496
      @ironicvirus1496 4 года назад +211

      US men's soccer is a joke. I'm sorry but if you can't be Trinidad and Tobago then imagine playing against France, Belgium and Croatia

    • @jakeh_13
      @jakeh_13 4 года назад +10

      the team is much improved since this point they should be in the world cup in 2022

    • @manemane1505
      @manemane1505 4 года назад +67

      Womens soccor is a joke i itself

    • @ryanlee4772
      @ryanlee4772 4 года назад +59

      lol firstly its not frikin soccer its football. Its literally FOOT AND BALL not big guys holding a ball with their HANDS. That shows how much of a joke football is in america. The system and the potential of players born and bred in America is hella low. Reason why pulisic is wayyyy better is due to the fact he did wasn't trained in America and its as simple as that.

  • @bokehintheussr5033
    @bokehintheussr5033 4 года назад +556

    Twellman looks like the lovechild of Joe Hart and Fabio Cannavaro.

    • @seanocalaghan2225
      @seanocalaghan2225 4 года назад +32

      That made me burst out laughing thank you

    • @JRK2669
      @JRK2669 4 года назад +12

      I thought this was Fabio Cannavaro for a sec when I saw this thumbnail

    • @anthonybello508
      @anthonybello508 2 года назад

      So true!!

  • @sbz88
    @sbz88 5 лет назад +407

    The USMNT just lost to Canada for the first time in 34 years. They're embarrassing.

    • @Bongaboi151
      @Bongaboi151 5 лет назад +21

      They play like sluts. Sluts belong to the streets.

    • @AU-ic7ur
      @AU-ic7ur 5 лет назад +7

      Michael Navarro
      I’m American and I agree with him

    • @KayvanKermani
      @KayvanKermani 4 года назад +13

      Canada is just good now with Davies

    • @jordanperdomo3975
      @jordanperdomo3975 3 года назад +1

      But beat them again

    • @mtf125
      @mtf125 2 года назад +2

      @Jordan Perdomo And now Canada is the best team in Concacaf 😂

  • @julioguzman3687
    @julioguzman3687 5 лет назад +717

    USMNT just outdid themselves losing to Canada tonight. Congratulations.

    • @rodafowa1279
      @rodafowa1279 5 лет назад +82

      Canada is actually on the rise and is a much better team than Trinidad. Doesn't make the loss any easier to take, but in order to "outdo" the Trinidad loss, we'd have to lose to Martinique or something.

    • @SlowDay1651
      @SlowDay1651 5 лет назад +1

      @@rodafowa1279 i agree , that second goal finish was top shelf

    • @CP-um4tk
      @CP-um4tk 4 года назад +4

      They got the kid from bayern

    • @Minidunkathon93
      @Minidunkathon93 4 года назад +7

      If you think Canada is worse than Trinidad or that the Canada game was more important than the Trinidad game...you’re an idiot

    • @deaundrebondscheeks2
      @deaundrebondscheeks2 4 года назад

      Howie P Doug Flutie is the GOAT

  • @anuprobin_202
    @anuprobin_202 4 года назад +188

    I used to be better than most kids when i was younger i’m 16 now, i couldn’t play soccer/football because my parents were working and couldn’t afford to put me in good teams and i know a lot of other people that have had the same thing happen to them. US soccer will never find good talent unless they make it widely available.

    • @austinmac2693
      @austinmac2693 4 года назад +2

      Play for high school

    • @humbertob9285
      @humbertob9285 4 года назад +15

      Same man. And then if you're not like at least 6' you're overlooked even if you're outplaying the guys on the rest of the team but kids who's parents can afford to keep them in programs can continue playing

    • @terrenceburroughs1043
      @terrenceburroughs1043 3 года назад +14

      Yeah, same here. It’s even worse if you’re in a rural part of US where it’s hard to get scouts to come see you.

    • @tauheed6550
      @tauheed6550 3 года назад

      Try moving over to Europe and play there, you might find something or even brake through

    • @spongebobby6027
      @spongebobby6027 3 года назад +4

      Come to Italy and do a tryout for Milan, if you're really good they will take you in the younger team, and then if you keep training and playin,you'll even be a professional player, the US is not really the best place to start playing football

  • @BaldwinVoice
    @BaldwinVoice 3 года назад +366

    This was one of the darkest days in US Soccer history.
    After our win against Mexico last night, feels like we are truly back

    • @Bongaboi151
      @Bongaboi151 2 года назад +23

      On our way back. Gotta keep working, though.

    • @alexslieker9744
      @alexslieker9744 2 года назад +2

      Football *

    • @_ermie
      @_ermie 2 года назад +10

      And… a loss to Canada

    • @joesakic91
      @joesakic91 2 года назад +9

      @@_ermie And the USMNT is on the verge of automatic qualification after a 5-1 drubbing on the team that snapped their FIFA World Cup appearance streak in Panama.

    • @adamezovski4936
      @adamezovski4936 2 года назад +5

      @@joesakic91 I had to come back to this video after last night. We really did turn the corner. The US are going to be a great team for years now.

  • @Meepmeep888
    @Meepmeep888 Год назад +93

    US Soccer needed this. I come back to this from time to time to remind myself how far we’ve come

    • @bufty8646
      @bufty8646 Год назад +9

      Headed to the knockout round baby!!!

    • @beastlogic5169
      @beastlogic5169 Год назад +3

      🏡 2026

    • @parkeranimations3671
      @parkeranimations3671 Год назад +1

      I feel like we’re making it far in 2026

    • @saaaiiiko
      @saaaiiiko Год назад +2

      @@parkeranimations3671not with GGG 😢

    • @joeylau7578
      @joeylau7578 7 месяцев назад

      Why can't China be as decisive as the US...

  • @luciiidnights
    @luciiidnights 5 лет назад +2049

    Who else is here after the US lost to Canada?

  • @buntings
    @buntings 4 года назад +52

    I was a ref for 6-7 years throughout high school and college. The absolute best players are in the lower/rec leagues and get entirely overlooked by the pay to play system.

  • @tylerc4086
    @tylerc4086 5 лет назад +645

    Should have never gotten rid of Klinnsman. We over achieved under him at 2014 World Cup

    • @smurphftw2008
      @smurphftw2008 5 лет назад +25

      Pfft. Klinsman was shite.

    • @smileyabk5683
      @smileyabk5683 5 лет назад +4

      Big mistake

    • @tonybarnett9813
      @tonybarnett9813 5 лет назад +94

      Completely understand why they got rid of Klinnsman, but to go from him BACK to Bruce freaking Arena? It'd be like if Manchester United fired Ole Gunnar Solskjær and re-hired José Mourinho.

    • @TrainerAQ
      @TrainerAQ 5 лет назад +4

      Don't know what was up with Klingsmann in his second season, but Bruce Arena should not have been the guy to replace him.

    • @primednoble
      @primednoble 5 лет назад +14

      @@TrainerAQ Bruce did everything he could do considering what he walked into. Klingsman will always have the nightmare of fans saying to him "you should of had Landon Donovan on that roster!"

  • @Jack_The_Ladd
    @Jack_The_Ladd 4 года назад +316

    Watching this as an Brit makes me feel sorry for the Americans that genuinely care about football, when ever any European or South American national team fails to meet the required standards its viewed by the respective country almost like a national embarrassment, change is demanded and change usually happens.The whole setup from top to bottom gets the blame not just the manger and the players, like the guy in the video says it takes years to see the changes take affect but if it’s done right it can pay off big time. Unfortunately with the USA because football isn’t held in anywhere near the same regard as in Europe and South America it seems they won’t get the required changes that have to be made as there is nowhere near as much demand for it from the people.

    • @samuelpaxton9404
      @samuelpaxton9404 3 года назад +13

      This is why I root for your country in the world cup us men's football team is awful

    • @ericchudyk4546
      @ericchudyk4546 3 года назад +30

      @@samuelpaxton9404 with all due respect your a terrible fan

    • @dnick91095
      @dnick91095 2 года назад +7

      Well so much has changed actually from 2015-17. Still improvements left to be made but interest in soccer is growing and this new young team is hungry. Still inexperienced though and they've a lot to learn

    • @j_james_01
      @j_james_01 2 года назад +1

      @@ericchudyk4546 isn't he 🤣 England always mess up every tournament but I still support them

    • @dmoney668
      @dmoney668 Год назад

      Well said. Love the Brits!

  • @Gizo02
    @Gizo02 4 года назад +307

    The USA failing to qualify for the World Cup from CONCACAF was far more embarrassing than Italy of the Netherlands failing to do so from UEFA, or Chile failing to do so from CONMEBOL (or even Argentina if they’d have failed to make it).
    Both the USA and Mexico should have an automatic ticket to every World Cup from CONCACAF. Mexico nearly threw away their ticket for the 2014 World Cup, but were ironically saved by the USA. The USA actually threw away their ticket for Russia in 2018.

    • @shujinkoMK
      @shujinkoMK 4 года назад +55

      Chile was eliminated by Brazil
      Argentina almost was eliminated by Ecuador who is a real pain to beat in their high altitude
      Netherlands was eliminated in a group that had France and Sweden.
      Italy was eliminated by Sweden.
      USA was eliminated by the one team that was already eliminated when they only needed a draw :/

    • @fabioartoscassone9305
      @fabioartoscassone9305 4 года назад +1

      @@shujinkoMK u could hire Pele', Neeskens and ...oh,wait

    • @DarkNightLight68
      @DarkNightLight68 4 года назад +24

      shujinkoMK The CONMEBOL qualification is the hardest one in the world

    • @SeeEmPunk
      @SeeEmPunk 4 года назад +3

      Funny thing is, Mexico could’ve saved USA but ended up losing to Honduras that night. Costa Rica could’ve saved USA as well but they lost to Panama that same night.

    • @VerticalitySports
      @VerticalitySports 3 года назад +3

      All the qualifiers are hard but CONCACAF has its own problems with Travel and Terrible fields outside of Canada Mexico and the US

  • @jeremyelliott6643
    @jeremyelliott6643 5 лет назад +170

    Two years later and nothing has changed. 0-2 loss to Canada and what has changed?

    • @raetekusu1
      @raetekusu1 4 года назад +1

      The scapegoat at the head of USSF has changed. Literally nothing else.

    • @tsu8278
      @tsu8278 4 года назад

      Pulisic realises he shouldn't declare that he was American:)

    • @itschickennn8169
      @itschickennn8169 3 года назад

      And back again

    • @Bongaboi151
      @Bongaboi151 2 года назад +1

      We won the Nations League and Gold Cup this year and went unbeaten against Mexico.

  • @jdubb8107
    @jdubb8107 5 лет назад +76

    People keep talking about our soccer program but only at the professional level. But the problem starts at the youth level. You can't expect a senior level play to reach his potential when he wasn't properly taught at the youth level.

  • @judebrennan9188
    @judebrennan9188 4 года назад +151

    It’s a rich kids sport in the US you go nowhere without spending thousands of dollars. If your a kid that’s into sports play basketball .

    • @elfrank333
      @elfrank333 4 года назад +6

      Once you change that america will have a great legacy in soccer cheers from argentina

    • @johnmorales6281
      @johnmorales6281 4 года назад +8

      It is really sad, that 90% of the rec league that I played in including myself while living in South Florida probably would have been able to get the United States into the World Cup. The amount of talent that lives in South Florida is astounding a yet a lot of the rec leagues it only cost you maybe 20 to $30 for season... Unlike the academies were you have to pay I don't even know

    • @senorchurro6954
      @senorchurro6954 3 года назад +4

      @@johnmorales6281 now imagine literally any of the southern states if only people really knew how many Mexican Americans would die to play

    • @johnmorales6281
      @johnmorales6281 3 года назад +2

      @@senorchurro6954 Like my comment said. And I am not saying I'm some kind of World class goalkeeper...I mean...who knows maybe I could of been but to get to the next level in the USA I'd have to get into the academies. Anyways, just in South Florida alone(of course you know Cali, Arizona, Texas etc would to) have such a pool of talented players with roots in South and Central America that would probably be stars if the youth system was more streamlined and not so Damm expensive
      South Florida alone, could of gotten the USA into the world cup in 2018

    • @youllneverknow_123
      @youllneverknow_123 3 года назад

      Or baseball

  • @eliwurster5237
    @eliwurster5237 4 месяца назад +12

    6 years later and a loss to Uruguay brings us back here

  • @carlospadilla9514
    @carlospadilla9514 4 года назад +50

    I come here every couple months to rewatch what he said. It makes me appreciate the young guys we got in Europe even more after having gone through this. I’m glad this happened because now it seems the US is actually developing great young players and it all started after this embarrassment.

  • @SG-jm7np
    @SG-jm7np 5 лет назад +78

    Best rant ever.....and understanding

  • @johnborda5134
    @johnborda5134 5 лет назад +196

    Taylor Twellman should be in charge of the US soccer federation, or coaching the USMNT

    • @raheemmcclashie8013
      @raheemmcclashie8013 4 года назад +36

      he is probably the only one with enough passion the make the right moves... but its one thing to say all the right things on tv, and another thing to actually be the man for the job.

    • @pebbleman721
      @pebbleman721 4 года назад +2

      Nah, plenty of pundits with a slick mouth but no actual management skill.

    • @luis30076
      @luis30076 4 года назад +1

      @@pebbleman721 _Gary Neville_

  • @sumant6523
    @sumant6523 5 лет назад +231

    And Canada just beat us 2-0...
    nice

    • @eddaniels2110
      @eddaniels2110 5 лет назад +4

      Sumant Canada ehh 😂 I bet you ivory cost can beat the Us team in their sleep 😂

    • @sumant6523
      @sumant6523 5 лет назад +10

      Ed Daniels ivory coast r good tho?

    • @nightfury8440
      @nightfury8440 5 лет назад +1

      @John Kavanagh They shouldn't, that's the point that is being made.

    • @isuckatvideogames5609
      @isuckatvideogames5609 4 года назад

      Sumant That’s cuz they suck

    • @ironicvirus1496
      @ironicvirus1496 4 года назад

      The US could probably get turned over by Ireland. Who haven't been to a world cup since 2002

  • @julbata
    @julbata 4 месяца назад +24

    Who’s here after the 2024 Copa America Group Stage Blunder?

  • @merseydave1
    @merseydave1 4 года назад +71

    As an Englishman you would expect me to laugh at You ... No as I want FOOTBALL to be a major sport in North America. When Taylor Twellman says Iceland is a small country, yes he is right but he has missed a MASSIVE point ... Iceland is a European country and FOOTBALL is the predominant sport in Europe.
    You can learn from this ... its down to all your football authorities to collectively work together and put things right ... Its great that the U.S. Canada and Mexico are holding The 2026 World Cup ... Football will grow in North America don't give up!.

    • @KenDaKingArrives
      @KenDaKingArrives 4 года назад +4

      @Zealous Tiger It is now, though. The youth system is being restructured and pay-to-play is finally going to end. Within 5 years it will be fully eradicated with the new structure in place. The funding will come from MLS, they will fund the youth teams just as they have done with their own club academies, creating a Free-to-Play youth system. Kids of all backgrounds will get to play for free, then we can really find some talents and more of them at once. With the new national team being the strongest in US history already with legitimate talents in most of the starting 11 so far with more to come, and the 2026 World Cup being here, they can be huge catalysts for Football in the US taking that final step and taking off for good.

    • @Aline-uu6xw
      @Aline-uu6xw 3 года назад

      Traduz....n entendi porra nenhuma

    • @merseydave1
      @merseydave1 3 года назад +1

      @@KenDaKingArrives Within the first formative years of FOOTBALL in England, Wales Scotland and Ireland, It was an Upper Class sport. As the working Class took ownership of The Game, it grew and prospered ... That was in the late 1800s. Learn from Our History!.

    • @PTS-Maid
      @PTS-Maid 3 года назад

      Football is a major sport in North America, just not in the US

    • @merseydave1
      @merseydave1 3 года назад

      @@PTS-Maid The Continent of North America is the U.S. and Canada, So you are wrong!.

  • @erikhendricks7909
    @erikhendricks7909 4 года назад +86

    As a former player of the US Soccer program, this was a very well said rant by Twellman . I feel the same way by the program

    • @marcosjuarez1490
      @marcosjuarez1490 2 года назад

      But he never did anything with the usmnt. Never made a world cup

    • @erikhendricks7909
      @erikhendricks7909 2 года назад +6

      @@marcosjuarez1490 So what? Have you ever played soccer

    • @ToxicKlay
      @ToxicKlay 2 года назад +5

      @@marcosjuarez1490 30 caps for the MNT and a Gold Cup is significantly more than you will accomplish in your lifetime imho

  • @TheScrabbleKing
    @TheScrabbleKing 5 лет назад +44

    Kudos to Twellman for having the rage to angrily shake his phone yet the presence of mind to set it down gently unharmed

  • @andrewschauder9774
    @andrewschauder9774 3 года назад +19

    We’re in a totally different place now and I couldn’t be happier

  • @ryank4301
    @ryank4301 Год назад +23

    This rant back then is why we have this young team today. It worked, thank goodness.

    • @mrtey7283
      @mrtey7283 Год назад +3

      Bro if we cant beat Iran, we are going home.

    • @DokiLiteTeam
      @DokiLiteTeam Год назад +6

      @@mrtey7283we beat them. But Netherlands…😢

    • @josephrupsis4623
      @josephrupsis4623 3 месяца назад

      Uh don't think so

  • @kevinbanales7725
    @kevinbanales7725 3 года назад +136

    Who’s here after USA failed to qualify for the Tokyo Olympics

    • @crescelo5172
      @crescelo5172 3 года назад

      Yep

    • @racerman7303
      @racerman7303 3 года назад +8

      Trash team . We have some real talent and they will never get scouted

    • @mileschambers6068
      @mileschambers6068 3 года назад

      @@racerman7303 I stg

    • @racerman7303
      @racerman7303 3 года назад

      @@mileschambers6068 bro I could find some Mexicans in my city that can play better lol

    • @ricoskickzz8972
      @ricoskickzz8972 3 года назад +2

      yeah but that's the kids olympics. use still has a chance to turn things around for the upcoming gold cup

  • @jackm3720
    @jackm3720 4 года назад +25

    It’s so refreshing to see so much passion from an American about FOOTBALL. I respect his passion, it is so clear he’s invested in football.

  • @kennethcollio
    @kennethcollio Год назад +25

    Looking back at this now after the USA beat Iran 1-0 really shows how far we’ve come.

    • @jimmyjohn8999
      @jimmyjohn8999 Год назад +1

      Do not settle, look into that game and you’ll see that the USA got nearly ran of the pitch in the second half, it happened almost every game, they’d have a world class first half and then drag their feet in the second, management is still awful and the bench is full of actual no hopers

    • @marktheshark7588
      @marktheshark7588 5 месяцев назад

      It shows how terrible you guys still are😂

  • @braxtonhall631
    @braxtonhall631 4 месяца назад +13

    This video rings more true than ever after the 2024 Copa America

  • @kalel503
    @kalel503 Год назад +27

    Watching this after to getting out of the group against Iran

    • @disobey8828
      @disobey8828 Год назад +1

      Iran LOL XDDDDDDD.

    • @MikeySkywalker
      @MikeySkywalker Год назад +3

      Watching this after getting smoked by the Netherlands.

  • @LoadedGasMask
    @LoadedGasMask Год назад +27

    USA adjusted, Mexico needs this now. Corruption is crazy.

  • @generichuman2044
    @generichuman2044 4 года назад +35

    The thing that's missing in America is the culture around football (soccer ). In the US, it's a side sport for the rich or those who go to college. In the rest of the world, particularly in Europe, it's a religion and way of life. I'm from the UK and since I was around 5 years old I have played football with friends, using jumpers for goalposts, played in amateur teams, watched my local professional team play and watched it on TV at least once a week, often often a dozen times. There are hundreds of stories about young kids from Africa or South America playing with a deflated ball in the streets of their towns, before making it as a pro and moving to Europe.
    Americans will be behind as long as they treat football as a secondary sport. The results of a match in the rest of the world can make or break a person's entire week. The US need to start by promoting football for free to kids and introducing relegation to their domestic league

    • @dnick91095
      @dnick91095 2 года назад +2

      I disagree. Implementing relegation isn't the end all be all, but rather the interest in the domestic league and the sport as a whole. There's simply not enough teams at this moment in time to sustain a multiple-division system. Investment in the youth has been providing dividends since 2017 or so with this new crop of players. Perhaps more developed youth systems for the MLS teams. The MLB, NBA, etc do not have relegation yet those are the best athletes in their respective sports

  • @ManaNek
    @ManaNek 3 года назад +19

    I love Taylor’s rant here. It really shows his frustration with the national team and the program and how much change needs to happen for it as well

    • @viksinha5410
      @viksinha5410 3 года назад +1

      From missing out on world cup to gold cup champs

    • @saaaiiiko
      @saaaiiiko Год назад

      @@viksinha5410they were already Gold Cup winners the same year they lost to T&T

  • @anthonyquintana5535
    @anthonyquintana5535 5 лет назад +519

    How to qualify in the World Cup: never be born in the United States

    • @kalashnikov5544
      @kalashnikov5544 5 лет назад +45

      You can be born in the US and still play for other countries if you get another passport or you have roots from elsewhere. Pulisic should have played for Croatia, bench or not.

    • @serbu4169
      @serbu4169 4 года назад +9

      I mean, Messi was offered to play for Spain. It is possible to play for another country if that country takes responsibility for your success from the opportunities they give you

    • @Minidunkathon93
      @Minidunkathon93 4 года назад +11

      Kalash Nikov Maybe he actually wants to represent his home country and not just play for the best team.

    • @bronzieboy
      @bronzieboy 4 года назад +4

      Kalash Nikov pulisic would not have made the roster for croatia.

    • @mugisama779
      @mugisama779 4 года назад +4

      @Playfulpanthress lets be real... the us invests more in womens soccer than any other country.

  • @stephenpaltoo7083
    @stephenpaltoo7083 4 года назад +103

    As a Trinbagonian, I love watching this

  • @parkerridaught7819
    @parkerridaught7819 4 месяца назад +20

    Here after we got grouped in copa America

  • @goon4life95
    @goon4life95 5 лет назад +19

    Glad this popped up on recommended. Dude on the right was could’ve gone on an in depth rant that the American people need to hear but tried to stick to one point. Major props 🤙🏽

  • @BankaiNightmare
    @BankaiNightmare Год назад +445

    Who’s here after the US beat Iran and reached the knockout stage in the 2022 Qatar World Cup?

  • @Jorge-wg9tq
    @Jorge-wg9tq 4 года назад +62

    The MLS is the premier leagues retirement home

  • @klevishoxhalli585
    @klevishoxhalli585 4 года назад +29

    You need to change the way you work with youths if you want to get results in the future.

  • @AndrewMcleod7
    @AndrewMcleod7 5 лет назад +57

    The RUclips algorithm is going hard AF in 2019!!!! Such a timely reminder this is loooool

    • @Minidunkathon93
      @Minidunkathon93 4 года назад

      This wasn’t the RUclips algorithm lol, it was posted by ESPN archives

  • @tylersullivan6752
    @tylersullivan6752 Год назад +21

    We have came a long way since this. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • @maximoxx23
      @maximoxx23 Год назад

      Not really. We are probably about to start exiling our best players like México do.

    • @QuantumNoir
      @QuantumNoir Год назад +2

      4R! Haters don't realize that we're seriously just barely starting the engines.

    • @phimau8104
      @phimau8104 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@QuantumNoiraaaaand lost again to Trinidad.

  • @westdog54
    @westdog54 3 года назад +11

    This is, by a massive margin, the best bake I've ever seen a commentator/ex-player deliver to a sporting team. Years of frustration and disappointment unleashed in 7 minutes of perfect delivery.

  • @bryceisnice6
    @bryceisnice6 4 месяца назад +6

    The lads rant still rings true today. Solid points were made

  • @Cmoney-pn4ql
    @Cmoney-pn4ql 2 года назад +18

    Just qualified for the World Cup!

  • @SKYBLUEPINATA
    @SKYBLUEPINATA 4 месяца назад +7

    It will never be better.

  • @Jigger1996
    @Jigger1996 2 года назад +35

    Who else is here after the US qualified?

    • @jamespowers1382
      @jamespowers1382 2 года назад +1

      feelsgoodman but I'll never forget this calamity

    • @chancemiller9340
      @chancemiller9340 2 года назад

      If you sort the posts by Newest First...
      You can easily see who else is here since the US slid into 3rd place and qualified for Qatar in November.

    • @Jigger1996
      @Jigger1996 2 года назад +1

      @@chancemiller9340 Was just looking for clicks thanks!

    • @joesakic91
      @joesakic91 2 года назад

      @@jamespowers1382 Bruh, every nation misses FIFA World Cups.
      Even France, England, and Italy failed to qualify in their histories.
      I survived the tail-end of the USMNT'S 40-year FIFA World Cup drought between 1950 and 1990.
      I survived 2018. 2018 is now a distant memory for the USMNT.

  • @yungshmoney
    @yungshmoney 4 года назад +13

    Love to see his passion. Hopefully it will inspire some change here

  • @lanetuten
    @lanetuten 3 года назад +29

    Who’s here after we failed to qualify for the Olympics again.

  • @bryanp5843
    @bryanp5843 4 месяца назад +8

    0 progress made under Behalter, but winning a mickey mouse tournament in nations league has convinced the federation that he is the man for the job. Such a cowardly approach to Panama, rubbish management against Uruguay, spineless behavior when he lets the players know its even between Bolivia and Panama in the middle of a match and we end up conceding in the next few minutes. Behalter is not a coach but he is buddy buddy with the players who they themselves have gotten complacent. Embarrassing performance from the Copa America hosts

  • @ianbarry4150
    @ianbarry4150 Год назад +14

    Watching this after the 1-0 victory today against Iran 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @jalenyoung5779
    @jalenyoung5779 4 месяца назад +7

    Who’s here after the US got grouped in Copa 2024 on home turf in a group including Panama & Bolivia

  • @MrPresident1878
    @MrPresident1878 2 года назад +20

    Who’s here after the US returned to the World Cup?

  • @benhusmann6521
    @benhusmann6521 Год назад +6

    This was a low day, but it prepared us for today. Great game today fellas. I'm excited about today. I'm excited about tomorrow! Long live the beautiful game.

  • @unceasinglotus9370
    @unceasinglotus9370 Год назад +10

    Used to pray for times like these🎉🇺🇸

  • @thenextbondvillainklaussch3266
    @thenextbondvillainklaussch3266 3 года назад +8

    Without rants like this , nothing changes ....... He's right on every point !

  • @AutoArtemAuto
    @AutoArtemAuto 3 года назад +69

    And absolutely NOTHING was learned four years later.

    • @jsegovia
      @jsegovia 3 года назад +1

      @@B1izzardd It has improved

  • @TreyDaze
    @TreyDaze 5 лет назад +45

    Hiring Berhalter was not a good idea.

    • @shadowferas
      @shadowferas 4 года назад +1

      Because it was his fault that we didn’t make the 2018WC right? Stfu.

    • @darkout2215
      @darkout2215 4 года назад +1

      @Feras Kai Canada>USMNST

  • @S1LVAW0LF
    @S1LVAW0LF Год назад +5

    Im gonna back here every now and then to see the overall progress the usmnt has made. Seems like a night and day difference from when we failed to qualify. We finished 2nd so were looking at the netherlands and argentina in the rd 16 and quarters. W/e happens, im proud of this golden gen and im looking forward to future progress. Just wish our coach selected the roster better (ie pefok, sands, tilman etc)

  • @MrMatthewCFB
    @MrMatthewCFB 4 месяца назад +4

    Seems like a fitting time to revisit this

  • @999glue5
    @999glue5 4 месяца назад +6

    Who’s here after USMNT was grouped in the Copa America? Please Gregg out

  • @b29ak2007
    @b29ak2007 4 года назад +60

    This rant makes me smile in 2020
    Just for 5 seconds
    Then I remember its 2am
    And I cant leave my house without a mask
    And can really only go to the petrol station

    • @MRios1128
      @MRios1128 3 года назад

      Yeah you can. Don't wear the stupid mask.

    • @b29ak2007
      @b29ak2007 3 года назад +1

      @@MRios1128 just so you know
      I live in a different place to you
      And this comment was from last year
      When my country first had a lock down with strict Corona policies

    • @Frankieefootballmundial
      @Frankieefootballmundial 2 года назад

      @@b29ak2007 well I hope by the World Cup in 2022 no varient comes up

  • @andrewcorkin6502
    @andrewcorkin6502 Год назад +8

    We figured it out. Thank god

    • @goldeneve
      @goldeneve Год назад

      Now espn fc bashing Mexico lol

  • @mochabean5692
    @mochabean5692 4 месяца назад +5

    And we just lost to Uruguay, getting knocked out of the 2024 Copa America in the group stage, after losing to Panama and only beating Bolivia

  • @edlawn5481
    @edlawn5481 4 месяца назад +6

    It hasn't gotten any better.

  • @thisIsFunnyLolz
    @thisIsFunnyLolz 4 месяца назад +6

    Who’s back here after getting knocked out in the group stage in the 2024 Copa America. Embarrassing

  • @Dhart74
    @Dhart74 4 месяца назад +6

    Come to this after watching lalas after Uruguay

  • @mrfreeman1912
    @mrfreeman1912 5 лет назад +173

    At least we have the ladies 🥇

    • @TheMagicPencilG
      @TheMagicPencilG 5 лет назад +6

      Sky Freeman aye I tune in just to boost their ratings +1 it really does count for them how many people few their tournaments Atleast having the tv on

    • @dizzy.m2
      @dizzy.m2 5 лет назад +86

      they lost to an under 14s boys team

    • @ccbutkus
      @ccbutkus 5 лет назад +10

      @Benjamin Puljak You have no idea what you are talking about.

    • @chuckbutkus7369
      @chuckbutkus7369 5 лет назад +6

      @Benjamin Puljak We are talking about the American men and women's teams, so what is your point?

    • @Christofamoltisanti77
      @Christofamoltisanti77 5 лет назад +1

      Who cares

  • @jonathonedwardmiller
    @jonathonedwardmiller 3 года назад +18

    What if I told you USA listened to him and are now a top 10 team with a chance to headline their group in the world cup

    • @aubieanderson6744
      @aubieanderson6744 3 года назад +1

      We're almost there, just need to take the last step. Already hearing excuses that "a draw/loss vs El Salvador or Honduras is fine because it's hard to play there" which is eerily similar to what Taylor rants about here with the "field being too wet" remark. Even Tyler Adams in an interview today said they expect to earn 9 points this window and I hope that the rest of the fanbase can accept those kinds of standards instead of making pre-excuses that won't help us grow.

    • @darkgrandpriest1645
      @darkgrandpriest1645 3 года назад +2

      @@aubieanderson6744 so much for those 9 points lol

    • @aubieanderson6744
      @aubieanderson6744 3 года назад

      @@darkgrandpriest1645 Yup, here we go all over again… the talent’s there but seems the USSF doesn’t want to use it. In danger of missing out on WC twice in a row

    • @aubieanderson6744
      @aubieanderson6744 3 года назад

      Use it correctly I should say. Berhalter is clueless

    • @Bongaboi151
      @Bongaboi151 2 года назад

      We're second in the octagonal, and if we win our next three WCQ matches in 2022, we should be safe ahead of the Azteca test.

  • @Leperkon360
    @Leperkon360 4 месяца назад +6

    Here after we’re about to get grouped at Copa 2024… nothing changes with this federation in charge

  • @ryanthunderhammer9970
    @ryanthunderhammer9970 3 года назад +12

    Make it three consecutive Olympics missed for the US.

  •  5 лет назад +10

    Perfect time to watch this video.

  • @greengreen4116
    @greengreen4116 3 года назад +32

    We beat Mexico, but we mustn’t forget that we are once again not going to the Olympics. Shame on the USA

    • @NolanAndFriends
      @NolanAndFriends 3 года назад +5

      We had our like C team in. No one cares about the Olympics, only World Cup. Also our coach is a joke and plays MLS players over players playing in European Leagues

    • @greengreen4116
      @greengreen4116 3 года назад +1

      @@NolanAndFriends Idc if it was a c team. That team should be able to beat Honduras. The same way, the USA should’ve been able to beat Trinidad and Tobago. Ofc the World Cup is better, but the USA should always be striving to play in the biggest competitions. 3 consecutive times of missing out on the Olympics is an embarrassment considering we want to be seen as the best team in concacaf

    • @Anonymous-vm9bg
      @Anonymous-vm9bg 3 года назад +1

      Nobody takes the olympics football serious

    • @greengreen4116
      @greengreen4116 3 года назад

      @@Anonymous-vm9bg This is something someone who’s country hasn’t qualified for the Olympics 3 consecutive times would say. Ofc people care about the Olympics, we need to thrive to win actual awards outside some Mickey Mouse nations league

    • @NolanAndFriends
      @NolanAndFriends 3 года назад +1

      @@greengreen4116 We had to put in a worse team and yeah they probably should of won but it doesn't matter in the long run because no one cares about the olympics. The only thing it would have been good for, for our team, is just practice against better teams.

  • @AugustDonald-e3d
    @AugustDonald-e3d 7 месяцев назад +3

    In hindsight (albeit short hindsight) this may have been one of the most important rants in American sports history, certainly in American soccer history. It's been quite the ride since this all-time low. Cheers to the future boys!🍻

  • @OhyeahMrKrabz
    @OhyeahMrKrabz 3 года назад +19

    Who's here after the USMNT U-23 failed to go to the Olympics AGAIN for the 3rd Olympics in a row?

    • @jonathonedwardmiller
      @jonathonedwardmiller 3 года назад +1

      We have a great future but we need more guys who are elite. We’ve been developing for like 2 years

  • @ademirsegura6307
    @ademirsegura6307 2 года назад +7

    Now a distant memory as of 3/30/22

  • @Reel___
    @Reel___ 4 месяца назад +7

    Who's here after USA got eliminated in COPA 2024?

  • @BHV0810
    @BHV0810 Год назад +6

    Now we're back!
    USA vs Wales at 1 PM!

  • @eastonpearce03
    @eastonpearce03 Год назад +7

    I just came back from World Cup 2026 and the US just lifted the trophy.

    • @saaaiiiko
      @saaaiiiko Год назад

      Nah I think they’ll make 3rd or 4th place.

  • @elliotroth6017
    @elliotroth6017 Год назад +2

    Here after 2022 and it’s amazing to see how much progress we’ve made

    • @joen4088
      @joen4088 Год назад

      Have we really?? We've been to the round of 16 in the past. Relative (and I stress relative) to the rest of the world we really haven't made any progress ESPECIALLY considering the US size and resources.

    • @joesakic91
      @joesakic91 Год назад

      @@joen4088 The USMNT needs to have the tournament of their lives and making consistent deep runs in FIFA tournaments before they win it all in the international stages.

  • @danduong1445
    @danduong1445 2 года назад +4

    - USA won Nations League
    - USA won the Gold Cup
    - USA is 99% qualified for WC22
    - USA has promising young talents
    I think the lesson here is that time will give you the best result.

  • @andytidbury8334
    @andytidbury8334 3 года назад +6

    Just stumbled across this. Good to see so much passion for football in the USA. Every nation that fails to qualify has the same discussion, part of the beauty of the game is that the little guys can have their day which sometimes means expectations aren't met. It's not always about resources and size of the nation.

  • @rolledupaces2003
    @rolledupaces2003 4 месяца назад +15

    Another disappointing loss

  • @ryanfisch7047
    @ryanfisch7047 2 года назад +11

    What are we doing?!?!
    Bottling up energy for the 2022 world cup!!! We are going boys congratulations.

    • @anthropoid539
      @anthropoid539 Год назад +1

      Just gotta beat Iran! Lets go baby.

  • @chrislauderdale9791
    @chrislauderdale9791 4 месяца назад +1

    I watch this every few years. It's so good

  • @JC_2311
    @JC_2311 4 месяца назад +2

    Yes, yes....six years later and we are still having the same discussions.