Craig: "He did it" We don't know WHAT he did, we don't know HOW inappropriate it was, we don't know WHO started it, and we don't even know IF he knew they were a minor. Maybe he deserves to be shunned forever, or maybe it was an honest mistake, and WE DON'T KNOW WHICH IT WAS. And YES it makes a big difference if it's a 17 year old he didn't know was underage who was deliberately "inappropriate" with him first and if it was a 12 year old who he did know was underage. If Twitch's policy was 18+ in whispers and they didn't do enough to enforce that and Doc was under the mistaken, but honest, belief that the person he was messaging was 18+, he did nothing wrong. If Doc said something iffy, but wasn't pursuing a relationship, are we also going to cancel Ryan Reynolds for joking with/at a minor in Deadpool 2 about what other prisoners were going to do to him? There's a huge range of interactions that could have been seen as "problematic" to a huge range of different degrees. There is absolutely no justification for any moral grandstanding (which you are doing) over how bad what he did was when we don't have the first clue what actually went down. Also, to Blabs, I can't imagine, and I doubt anyone else could imagine, a conversation bad enough to even remotely compare to grape. It could express or indicate INTENT to do something similarly bad, but the conversation itself can't compare.
Agreed, I have been avoiding further discussions of this topic since there isnt a lot of actually information and a lot of assumption going on. I don't care for the theories of what may have been discussed in chat logs that we may never see.
Yeah I don’t get it ether. Like the song WAP should the singers be put in jail If a 17 year olds hear it? me talking in any cod lobby I guess I’m going to jail lol cuz I’ve spit some pure vile. This whole thing seems guilty until proven innocent. As far as anything I have seen so far and I looked around he did nothing wrong… let me say that again, nothing provable wrong, now the second I see something, then that’s it I’ll call it out but only then. If a 17 year old wants to talk dirty to a 40 year old that’s there business as 2 consenting adults.
I agree that Dr. Disrespect messed up badly and I think Twitch is also at fault for covering up, but I think I agree with the point Dutch was trying to make. There's a difference if the person was 17 vs they were 13. If she was 13, Twitch probably would have had report it to the authorities or they would be in even greater trouble for the cover-up. The fact that it was all swept under the rug the way it was leads me to think that she was maybe closer to 18 than not.
Could also be they unknowingly hid their age, if that was the case Doc coudnt be at fault and twitch would want to settle to avoid responsabilities due to not verifiyng age
@@malucoblz588 if you're in a bar and talk to a girl and then got arrested because she was under age, then you have a pretty strong case (usually). You were in a place with a minimum age for entry (21 in US, 18 elsewhere), so you could reasonably assume that her being there means she's at least the minimum age for entry. Twitch whispers were supposedly an 18+ feature, so Doc would reasonably assume she was 18. The question that needs answering and will probably never be answered is did Doc learn how old she was and at what point did he learn it? Also, the contents of the messages are important too. Doc said that some messages *could* be interpreted as inappropriate not that they were. The messages could end up being a lot more tame than everybody is making them out to be.
Craig lost the point once again, what more context do we need? first of all, did he knew he was talking with underage? what is the inappropriate language it was used? He's still under NDA so he can't talk more specifically about the situation even if he want's to. there are literally tons of stuff that needs to be clarified.
Twitch settled. That's all anyone needs to wrap their head around. If there was actual legal wrong doing of any kind they would have referred it to the police or dismissed Doc Lawyers suit against them on the basis of breach of a morality clause. They did neither, instead they paid him out. In short Twitch acted to ban him, but something in their rationale didn't add up when the evidence came up for cross examination. Most likely at a guess Doc either didn't know the person's age, or they may have lied about their age to Twitch to get access to the content creator group.
@@KadayiPolokov exactly bro, people act like they don't talk to underage people everyday, everyone have those friends on discord which play games together and talk, does that make them pdf? hypocrites.
@@libre1245 Honestly these days I'm a bit sad that people can't even talk to kids without getting accusations as if even wholesome interactions are not allowed anymore because everyone on the internet has to morally grandstand about kids at every possible opportunity for internet points
@@LUR1FAX People, regardless of what they've done, are being removed from media in real time. We still live in those times with those dystopian tactics, it's just expanded to the entire world with the internet to expose it.
I'm not a Dr. Disrespect fan; frankly, I never heard of him until this news. But I have to say your totally reckless commentary on the situation made me lose some respect for this channel. You've spent hours just idly speculating and rumor-milling with no information, schizophrenically alternating between "We don't really know what he did" and "What he did was scummy and unacceptable!" And this is exactly why idle speculation is bad. You invented your own narratives and convinced yourself it was true in real time, such that Craig at one point blurts out "What more evidence do you need?! He said he did it!" But what is the It?! We have no idea. It could be anything from the most disgusting explicit propositioning of a 12-year-old to telling a dirty joke once to a college-aged gamer. I have no idea what kind of person this Dr. Disrespect is, but the guy is losing his career, his sponsorships, his friends, his reputation based on literally no substantive information whatsoever, sparked by accusations from an obvious bad-faith actor. This is hysteria. It's EXACTLY what Cancel Culture was like in its heyday. Prepare for the comeback, because the Lefties have figured out the new trigger - the way to shut down people's critical thinking skills the way accusations of racism used to. Now it's anything to do with minors. Just lob that grenade over the wall and watch their enemies beat their chest and tear each other apart. It's pathetic.
Totally agree. Also let's be real, most 17 year old girls are seasoned whores. I knew girls (by their own admission) with double digit bodycounts by the time they were 16 so let's not pretend some guy telling raunchy jokes is a massive crime.
Craig, it wasn't just the world Trade Center that will be edited out. In the Japanese ending for the game there were real-life pictures of a black person getting arrested in the credits sequence that Capcom wants to remove to avoid any controversies.
@@Luminus2A guy in his mid 30s creeping on a 18 year old is gross. Doing it to a 17 who he knows is legally a child is disturbing. Perspective,fellas. Try it
Women’s max fertility is between 18-23. That’s when they should be having their children. People neotenizing young adulthood into extended childhood, is one of the reasons our birth rate has collapsed and why Autism rates are spiking through senile ovum. People are having children too late.
@YurRedRooster IF in fact it was a 17 year he was talking to on an 18+ whisper chat (and he assumed the age), I really don't feel like it's a big deal. Weird? Creepy? Yeah of course. The fact that charges were not brought and that twitch paid him makes me question how serious all this is. I'm just not going to condemn the guy until more information is known...Which, unfortunately, will probably never happen as all parties want this to go away.
@@Gh0st3600Any guy accused of unknowingly talking "inappropriately"(Docs own words) would immediately say he didn't know she was 17. It's telling he hasn't said that. He knew.
Saying "IDK, it's against the law, so the details are moot" is weird. There are levels to things. Stealing bread to feed your starving family is illegal, but would you really blame someone for it? Would you consider them immoral? Probably not. The details here are important: the age (was she 17 years and 364 days old?), was she the aggressor?, how long did it go on for, etc.... There's a lot of grey here the ultimately determines how bad it is.
I dislike the fact that they always go on about, why didnt he say this, or why didnt he say that and if this truly was the case then drop the info for multiple episodes. When, not even a week ago, they had Legal Mindset who is a lawyer, GIVE OUT REASONS as to why he couldnt and the possibility of every reason while also stating theres an NDA to the settlement. Now there's even more info that makes it look worse of Twitch's end and are shocked as to why people are telling them to talk about it a different way, because yes this does seem like speculation and accusation based of the fact they barely even used the word "allegatedly". No im not a doc fan, dont watch their content nor am i subbed, i just like to wait for as much info as possible to be out before giving a strong opinion as these guys have. Theres 2 sides of a story with a lot of info and context that isnt always given out at the beginning.
Real average wages have gone down when adjusted for increased cost-of-living, but a lot of lower-paying jobs (Walmart, Burger King) had to really ramp up their pay to keep staff up. Chances are that the higher paying jobs haven't shifted up much, if at all, which would mean they've gone down more steeply than the lower paying jobs when adjusting for the increased cost-of-living. Still, the Walmarts and Burger Kings have had to increase prices to make up for their wage increases... which increases prices... which means lower paying jobs need to pay more to keep their employees... which means prices have to go up, and so on...
You're limiting your audience when you rarely speak of modern games from the point of view of someone who's actually played the game. Might be your goal, who knows.
I have a friend who went to prison for 10000X worse than what the Doc did and he's likely gonna be in until he's 60 if not longer, me and my other friends have gone back and forth on the issue and still 6 years out from conviction I still don't know how to feel about it you can say I hate murder and there's no forgiveness for it yet if you have a friend who did it then your ideals change cus someone you cared did the worst thing, I'm using murder cus it's easier to say.... my feeling on my friend is someone i cared about and trusted is now in prison and his crime if it were a stranger I'd condemn for life! so that's my conflict, it's definitely not as easy as Dredd judging Rico but even there Dredd hesitated before doing his duty!
“Watching it for work” yeah but DO we have to talk about it? Star wars IS dead and I’m sick of hearing about it. When can we move on to the next thing?
about the walmart order, they might not have something in store but will still ship it no matter the cost meaning a bag of chips could cost $50 cuz of shipping or it could be a wholesale version size since they don't have the original sized item
The final episode of the MiB animated series aired June 2001. 23 years later and it has never been picked up again by any network or streaming service. Likely because it features the Twin Towers as they were in the late 90s and had a few action scenes around, one involving a close shave with a space ship. Similarly see Constant Payne that was cancelled in pre-production around the same time . They existed.
1:19:30 - this has been my take about doctor disrespect. Dr disrespect the character did nothing wrong. He was a very entertaining guy that millions loved and watched and enjoyed. Guy The Man behind the doctor disrespect persona is the one who committed the actions. Bill Cosby is a perfect example. Everyone loves The Cosby show and many looked at the Bill Cosby character as the ideal father. But when you separate the character he played on a TV show to who he was in real life the dude was a monster. That doesn't mean you can't still enjoy what he did with his acting. No I'm not saying shout to the streets to support these people but it doesn't mean you can't appreciate their impact at least the positive ones. Just my thoughts
I'd implore you to actually look into the Cosby case. The only 'evidence' against him is just that he admitted to supplying someone drugs. That's like saying that because you admitted to driving without insurance, that's proof that you committed a hit and run. It makes zero sense. Not to mention that the prosecutor AND judge both campaigned for election on railroading Cosby.
I love CensorTube. I'd implore you to actually look into the Cosby case. The only 'evidence' against him is just that he admitted to supplying someone [substance]. That's like saying that because you admitted to driving without insurance, that's proof that you committed a hit and run. It makes zero sense. Not to mention that the prosecutor AND judge both literally campaigned for election promising to railroad Cosby.
Craig: "He did it"
We don't know WHAT he did, we don't know HOW inappropriate it was, we don't know WHO started it, and we don't even know IF he knew they were a minor.
Maybe he deserves to be shunned forever, or maybe it was an honest mistake, and WE DON'T KNOW WHICH IT WAS.
And YES it makes a big difference if it's a 17 year old he didn't know was underage who was deliberately "inappropriate" with him first and if it was a 12 year old who he did know was underage.
If Twitch's policy was 18+ in whispers and they didn't do enough to enforce that and Doc was under the mistaken, but honest, belief that the person he was messaging was 18+, he did nothing wrong. If Doc said something iffy, but wasn't pursuing a relationship, are we also going to cancel Ryan Reynolds for joking with/at a minor in Deadpool 2 about what other prisoners were going to do to him?
There's a huge range of interactions that could have been seen as "problematic" to a huge range of different degrees.
There is absolutely no justification for any moral grandstanding (which you are doing) over how bad what he did was when we don't have the first clue what actually went down.
Also, to Blabs, I can't imagine, and I doubt anyone else could imagine, a conversation bad enough to even remotely compare to grape. It could express or indicate INTENT to do something similarly bad, but the conversation itself can't compare.
i agree with you 100% and honestly, im starting to view craig differently through all this
Agreed, I have been avoiding further discussions of this topic since there isnt a lot of actually information and a lot of assumption going on. I don't care for the theories of what may have been discussed in chat logs that we may never see.
Yeah I don’t get it ether. Like the song WAP should the singers be put in jail If a 17 year olds hear it? me talking in any cod lobby I guess I’m going to jail lol cuz I’ve spit some pure vile. This whole thing seems guilty until proven innocent. As far as anything I have seen so far and I looked around he did nothing wrong… let me say that again, nothing provable wrong, now the second I see something, then that’s it I’ll call it out but only then. If a 17 year old wants to talk dirty to a 40 year old that’s there business as 2 consenting adults.
I agree that Dr. Disrespect messed up badly and I think Twitch is also at fault for covering up, but I think I agree with the point Dutch was trying to make. There's a difference if the person was 17 vs they were 13. If she was 13, Twitch probably would have had report it to the authorities or they would be in even greater trouble for the cover-up. The fact that it was all swept under the rug the way it was leads me to think that she was maybe closer to 18 than not.
Could also be they unknowingly hid their age, if that was the case Doc coudnt be at fault and twitch would want to settle to avoid responsabilities due to not verifiyng age
@@malucoblz588 if you're in a bar and talk to a girl and then got arrested because she was under age, then you have a pretty strong case (usually). You were in a place with a minimum age for entry (21 in US, 18 elsewhere), so you could reasonably assume that her being there means she's at least the minimum age for entry.
Twitch whispers were supposedly an 18+ feature, so Doc would reasonably assume she was 18.
The question that needs answering and will probably never be answered is did Doc learn how old she was and at what point did he learn it?
Also, the contents of the messages are important too. Doc said that some messages *could* be interpreted as inappropriate not that they were. The messages could end up being a lot more tame than everybody is making them out to be.
Dang, I didn't know The Rock was on Side Scrollers! 😋
Dutch butters sounds like he's taking it a little too personal, maybe he's texting minors too.
Doing great Craig!
Craig lost the point once again, what more context do we need?
first of all, did he knew he was talking with underage?
what is the inappropriate language it was used?
He's still under NDA so he can't talk more specifically about the situation even if he want's to.
there are literally tons of stuff that needs to be clarified.
Twitch settled. That's all anyone needs to wrap their head around. If there was actual legal wrong doing of any kind they would have referred it to the police or dismissed Doc Lawyers suit against them on the basis of breach of a morality clause. They did neither, instead they paid him out. In short Twitch acted to ban him, but something in their rationale didn't add up when the evidence came up for cross examination. Most likely at a guess Doc either didn't know the person's age, or they may have lied about their age to Twitch to get access to the content creator group.
@@KadayiPolokov exactly bro, people act like they don't talk to underage people everyday, everyone have those friends on discord which play games together and talk, does that make them pdf? hypocrites.
1:29:20 who’s saying that tho…
@@libre1245 Honestly these days I'm a bit sad that people can't even talk to kids without getting accusations as if even wholesome interactions are not allowed anymore because everyone on the internet has to morally grandstand about kids at every possible opportunity for internet points
@@kjtj397 Craig said it, I am lazy to look for the exact timeframe
Craig: "so what do you think about this"
*guest starts to talk about the topict*
Craig 0.1 second later : "yeh yeh yeh love it! Let's move on"
Sounds like the game awards
lol seems like a skip episode then
Why pretend the twin towers didn't exist? I feel like that's more messed up
Reminds me of Stalin having people he liquidated removed from photographs, to completely erase all memory of that person, as if they never existed.
@@LUR1FAX People, regardless of what they've done, are being removed from media in real time. We still live in those times with those dystopian tactics, it's just expanded to the entire world with the internet to expose it.
the reason why tennant has a lgbtq+ child because he'll use it to reflect criticism.
If Craig thinks ProJared exonerated himself, then he's a hypocrite with this whole Dr DisRespect thing, too....
I'm not a Dr. Disrespect fan; frankly, I never heard of him until this news. But I have to say your totally reckless commentary on the situation made me lose some respect for this channel. You've spent hours just idly speculating and rumor-milling with no information, schizophrenically alternating between "We don't really know what he did" and "What he did was scummy and unacceptable!" And this is exactly why idle speculation is bad. You invented your own narratives and convinced yourself it was true in real time, such that Craig at one point blurts out "What more evidence do you need?! He said he did it!" But what is the It?! We have no idea. It could be anything from the most disgusting explicit propositioning of a 12-year-old to telling a dirty joke once to a college-aged gamer.
I have no idea what kind of person this Dr. Disrespect is, but the guy is losing his career, his sponsorships, his friends, his reputation based on literally no substantive information whatsoever, sparked by accusations from an obvious bad-faith actor. This is hysteria. It's EXACTLY what Cancel Culture was like in its heyday. Prepare for the comeback, because the Lefties have figured out the new trigger - the way to shut down people's critical thinking skills the way accusations of racism used to. Now it's anything to do with minors. Just lob that grenade over the wall and watch their enemies beat their chest and tear each other apart. It's pathetic.
Totally agree. Also let's be real, most 17 year old girls are seasoned whores. I knew girls (by their own admission) with double digit bodycounts by the time they were 16 so let's not pretend some guy telling raunchy jokes is a massive crime.
craig he did it
Craig its not guilty until proven innocent its innocent until proven guilty.
what needs to be more highlighted is twich lack of response to that situation 7 years ago thats what needs to be brought to attention more.
New hipster opinion :
Wii sucked bro
Craig, it wasn't just the world Trade Center that will be edited out. In the Japanese ending for the game there were real-life pictures of a black person getting arrested in the credits sequence that Capcom wants to remove to avoid any controversies.
People who are a part of gaming have trouble reading and doing research I swear.
Sounds like a great way to avoid controversies.
I thought this channel was against cancel culture.
Dr Disrespect had a naughty conversation with a 17 yr old 7 yrs ago and nothing came of it. Boo hoo.
If she really was 17 at the time, that's barely a minor tbh.
@@Luminus2A guy in his mid 30s creeping on a 18 year old is gross. Doing it to a 17 who he knows is legally a child is disturbing. Perspective,fellas. Try it
Women’s max fertility is between 18-23. That’s when they should be having their children. People neotenizing young adulthood into extended childhood, is one of the reasons our birth rate has collapsed and why Autism rates are spiking through senile ovum. People are having children too late.
@YurRedRooster IF in fact it was a 17 year he was talking to on an 18+ whisper chat (and he assumed the age), I really don't feel like it's a big deal. Weird? Creepy? Yeah of course. The fact that charges were not brought and that twitch paid him makes me question how serious all this is. I'm just not going to condemn the guy until more information is known...Which, unfortunately, will probably never happen as all parties want this to go away.
@@Gh0st3600Any guy accused of unknowingly talking "inappropriately"(Docs own words) would immediately say he didn't know she was 17. It's telling he hasn't said that. He knew.
I feel a little off when people talk about Nick, Doc & Tim when they never watch them & don’t know anything about them.
I feel ya. I only know of these streamers thanks to this show.
A fair assessment. I too only know about these guys because of the drama around them.
@@TheShotgunShovel yeah I wasn’t trying to disrespect them it’s just true. Been a huge doc fan over the years (just entertainment)
Saying "IDK, it's against the law, so the details are moot" is weird. There are levels to things. Stealing bread to feed your starving family is illegal, but would you really blame someone for it? Would you consider them immoral?
Probably not.
The details here are important: the age (was she 17 years and 364 days old?), was she the aggressor?, how long did it go on for, etc....
There's a lot of grey here the ultimately determines how bad it is.
Are the women being paid less or are they EARNING less? Because there is a massive difference between those two things.
I dislike the fact that they always go on about, why didnt he say this, or why didnt he say that and if this truly was the case then drop the info for multiple episodes. When, not even a week ago, they had Legal Mindset who is a lawyer, GIVE OUT REASONS as to why he couldnt and the possibility of every reason while also stating theres an NDA to the settlement. Now there's even more info that makes it look worse of Twitch's end and are shocked as to why people are telling them to talk about it a different way, because yes this does seem like speculation and accusation based of the fact they barely even used the word "allegatedly". No im not a doc fan, dont watch their content nor am i subbed, i just like to wait for as much info as possible to be out before giving a strong opinion as these guys have. Theres 2 sides of a story with a lot of info and context that isnt always given out at the beginning.
49:03 This happened in Florida? Hammerman's lucky he didn't get shot.
the real super kicker is, wages have not gone up to match, but, the business are all blaming high wages. make it make sense.
Real average wages have gone down when adjusted for increased cost-of-living, but a lot of lower-paying jobs (Walmart, Burger King) had to really ramp up their pay to keep staff up.
Chances are that the higher paying jobs haven't shifted up much, if at all, which would mean they've gone down more steeply than the lower paying jobs when adjusting for the increased cost-of-living.
Still, the Walmarts and Burger Kings have had to increase prices to make up for their wage increases... which increases prices... which means lower paying jobs need to pay more to keep their employees... which means prices have to go up, and so on...
1:54:43 That's normal for Leslie Headland based on her former personal assistant job probably involved doing that
You're limiting your audience when you rarely speak of modern games from the point of view of someone who's actually played the game.
Might be your goal, who knows.
I don't understand people who load up sides at Chipotle. It's not worth it. That much rice and beans costs like 50 cents to buy. Just make it at home
Wouldn't mind Jeff as a regular guest at all. Always enjoy him being part of the panel.
As a grown man why are you talking or flirting with a girl that you have to make sure she’s of age?
I’m a huge MtG fan and DnD fan. I hate modern Wizards.
I loved the Wii it was innovative which is always a plus in video games
1:01:19 y’all are bit of normies tbh
1:22:42 up to the age of 125
Blabs listens to Taylor Swift & watches Lizzo in her spare time!
I have a friend who went to prison for 10000X worse than what the Doc did and he's likely gonna be in until he's 60 if not longer, me and my other friends have gone back and forth on the issue and still 6 years out from conviction I still don't know how to feel about it
you can say I hate murder and there's no forgiveness for it yet if you have a friend who did it then your ideals change cus someone you cared did the worst thing, I'm using murder cus it's easier to say....
my feeling on my friend is someone i cared about and trusted is now in prison and his crime if it were a stranger I'd condemn for life! so that's my conflict, it's definitely not as easy as Dredd judging Rico but even there Dredd hesitated before doing his duty!
“Watching it for work” yeah but DO we have to talk about it? Star wars IS dead and I’m sick of hearing about it. When can we move on to the next thing?
Hack toe!
Blabs saying facts, Craig only focused on the big 2 twitch and kick.
about the walmart order, they might not have something in store but will still ship it no matter the cost meaning a bag of chips could cost $50 cuz of shipping or it could be a wholesale version size since they don't have the original sized item
The final episode of the MiB animated series aired June 2001. 23 years later and it has never been picked up again by any network or streaming service. Likely because it features the Twin Towers as they were in the late 90s and had a few action scenes around, one involving a close shave with a space ship.
Similarly see Constant Payne that was cancelled in pre-production around the same time .
They existed.
51:57 I used to live in Newark, NJ a long time ago, he could have done that in his own hood. SMH 🤦🏽♂️
1:19:30 - this has been my take about doctor disrespect.
Dr disrespect the character did nothing wrong. He was a very entertaining guy that millions loved and watched and enjoyed.
Guy The Man behind the doctor disrespect persona is the one who committed the actions.
Bill Cosby is a perfect example. Everyone loves The Cosby show and many looked at the Bill Cosby character as the ideal father.
But when you separate the character he played on a TV show to who he was in real life the dude was a monster.
That doesn't mean you can't still enjoy what he did with his acting.
No I'm not saying shout to the streets to support these people but it doesn't mean you can't appreciate their impact at least the positive ones.
Just my thoughts
You disgust me
I'd implore you to actually look into the Cosby case. The only 'evidence' against him is just that he admitted to supplying someone drugs. That's like saying that because you admitted to driving without insurance, that's proof that you committed a hit and run. It makes zero sense. Not to mention that the prosecutor AND judge both campaigned for election on railroading Cosby.
I love CensorTube.
I'd implore you to actually look into the Cosby case. The only 'evidence' against him is just that he admitted to supplying someone [substance]. That's like saying that because you admitted to driving without insurance, that's proof that you committed a hit and run. It makes zero sense. Not to mention that the prosecutor AND judge both literally campaigned for election promising to railroad Cosby.
DR Disrespect has admitted to it Coby Has not.
So they both settled and the information came out but only one of them admitted?
Craig if you did a co-op run of SNES king of the monsters 2 would be BASED AF 🤘
why the SNES version? the neogeo version is easily available now..
What???
Pedodoc is real? WOW
i say lara croft the same way criag does
Karma took care of the grapist Bryant
Great stream. Always interesting conversations. Somehow this show has become a daily thing for me.
1:25:02 they literally lost the point
Of course Dr. Disrespect is a pda file.
That is all I know about him.
Bro that’s just slander and we don’t have all the context yet