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LOVE that manifold system. I had to work on a house that was set up like this. HUGE ski town house. That system made it so much quicker
@MojoPup Yep, that was definitely Pex porn - a first class artistic arrangement. I’d have gone for true bore fittings and hot line insulation though.
Beautiful job guys!
Well,it looks pretty but he didn't use the "good" expansion pex fittings
There was a water leak in our downstairs bathroom ceiling, it was from 2nd floor bathroom. Opened up ceiling, noticed sign of previous water leak and JB WELD on toilet sink wye fitting. Call a plumber for replacing lines ($300), cost of doing it right… priceless. We opened up and closed drywall ourselves.
I miss this show
if its not broke...... charge them 40 grand and tell them its not up to code
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! !
This is why our democracy is in the crapper...… The "Legislature" has nothing to do with the building codes, they pass laws and building codes are not laws just guidelines one needs to follow or not...…
@@chrisheath5371 presumable in the USA its the same as here blighty where the codes/regs are not retrospective
In many areas, especially the dry West, water is currently pumped hundreds of miles, treated to the finest drinking water standards, and then most of it is thrown on the ground to grow lawns or used to flush poop down the drain. When real, lasting water shortages arrive, this will be an unsupportable practice. Eventually homes need to be dual plumbed with separate pipes for potable and non-potable water. Retrofit will be a lot easier for home run systems.
this is just a commercial. i have been a plumber for 32 years. i would never nit pick a client to death like that.
total bs fosho
The show isn’t nitpicking the client, they’re nitpicking, at least usually, the fraud of a plumber, electrician etc that did shoddy work. Holmes on homes goes in AFTER a contractor has stolen thousands and damage is occurring to the home that the homeowners beg Holmes for help
@15:03 that mind blown face on the wife is priceless. Lucky man that husband.
The comments on here show me why building or renovating a home can be such an issue. Way too many opinions and so few people who understand the basics. While the above is not right for every setting its better than most. Each project requires thoughtful input, too often it's just someone doing the same thing in every situation. I've worked with some awesome plumbers but have fired a number also. What sets them apart is the ability to solve an issue, not just make a new one.
People watching these videos then commenting apparently dont get the concept that this is a tv show. Everything is overkill no doubt. It's paid for by HGTV. They can put any amount of money into they want.
Telescope that vent you say ? Hmmm
6:40 I doubt that it's "100% pressure balanced"
incredible , not one piece of insulation anywhere , lets hope the property aint left empty in bad weather
Shower valves are pressure balancing and anti scald anyway
Not to mention there is a mixing valve on most hot water tanks
i have no idea where you are at..... i have been a roofer for 20 plus year and their are many pipes that go through a roof the poo pipe is 4i nch or 3 but the kitch sink is maybe 2 or 2 1/2 and there could be an 1 1/2 for like a sink or washing machine drain there is no need to make all vents 3 inches
inside the roof they can be less than 3 inch but all the pipe that go through the roof should be at least 3 inch. it is exactly as he said (at least in cold weather area) the water vapor will cause ice and may clog the pipe during winter. at least it is what we do because of the same reason.
90 % or more will have roof vents that are different sizes.... all most every roofing manufacture want 4 nails per shingle. in a high wind district like the coast they want 6.... some specific areas with hurricanes maybe more.... when i do a video there i mention why its not the same.... maybe all of canada is 3 in pipes
Johnny Feever you’re a roofer, not a plumber...
what he said was no pipe less than 3 inches should go through the roof..... i see pipes go through the roof all the time..... he says things that only apply if the temp drops of like - 55 f a very small population lives in that climate
Upc and ipc both say if you're in a climate where the temperature Falls below zero you must increase the vent penetrating the roof. I'm just guessing but I would say the northern half of the United States and Canada fall into that category. Been a plumber since 1985 and have never put smaller than a 3 inch vent out the roof.
as much as he does a great job, i find homes works with "money is no object" when he does his projects, ok, we have 150k house here with some plumbing problems, let's spend 50k, but look at it now, the plumbing is worthy of a documentary, meanwhile, who can afford these complete redo jobs? the way he does his renos, might as well just demolish the house and make a new one.
fpstina my parents bought a house for $450,000 and did $150,000 in renovations our self and we sold it for 1.1 million
You have to think outside the box. I believe what Mr Holmes is trying to pound into peoples head that it may cost a little more to do it right the first time and not to butcher the job and have to redo it properly after everything is closed up and finished. When everything is finished and you run into problems it is obviously more expensive. If you have a problem at a later date and for example the ceramic tiles are no longer available, now you repair will obviously be more extensive and more expensive. So the people with the notion of "just getter done mentality" would do whatever to finish the job. Regardless if done properly or not.
Homes does insurance jobs so it really isn’t so bad lol
The plumbing guy is a Pro.
How does the manifold system shown at 6:30 "pressure balance" the water as the guys says?
I could still see pressure balance being an issue if enough people put on water at the same time. But it's because the main supply line is like 3 quarter inch pipe so it's bigger. If you have one half inch pipe that feeds you're shower and toilet cold. That could cause you're shower sandwiches
Yeah I think he meant pressure balanced for when there is demand on two lines only.
Very clean work ! I get taking everything out and starting over . Bet he made a killing !
Next time just get a Viega manafold. I installed on in my house and it's great.
How dose a recirculated system work with a manifold system ??
A rooter company doing plumbing. Lmao
how about doing one better taking the same shut off valve and placing out the wall right at the sink or toilet rather than in the basement? i never ever understood this logic ever turn off the water where i am working not go find out where to shut it off maybe in the basement or at the street work smarter not harder all you said then saying this i had to comment.
Ok, as a 50% Canuk myself, I would like one of the knowledgeable guys from the North to explain to me the Canadian love of ABS piping. Is it better for low temp use? I see nothing but PVC here in the states for DWV work, but every time I see drain and vent pipe on Mike's show, it is all black ABS. Does anyone know why?
PVC is too brittle, abs is more durable so it can withstand colder temperatures better than PVC.
@@Darkely4u Thanks. I was wondering about this too.
Well I know the black pipe we use For waste and everything else is PVC
@@SteveSmith-mw2do Yes, but what is the thinking that results in the preference for ABS over PVC for DWV work?
Late in the game here but yes you hit the nail on the head, Canadian building codes, NSF, CSA for manufacturing companies require for use of pipe to withstand our extreme weather changes up here eh. We do use abs piping for residential and some low rise, grey systems 15 PVC for low rise and XFR for low rise and some high rise and industrial applications. Our grey PVC is different than the States white PVC. So we still use PVC grey and XFR.
Also many far western States use a great deal of abs fittings and pipe.
First I thought..man they are look very professional...and will be replace with nice and fency manifold..bam...honestly never see any manifold...took the whole wall...shzz would you get Pex manifold..please...space only 2.5 feets...I just wonder some day one of copper on manifold leaking or burst...
can't belive it..put on TV...really...
You didn't put your balloon on top of your outlet on the roof....
Why have shut offs in 2 places for the same circuit? You must be expensive.
I don't like the huge battery of home runs..to all new emercency stops. Shower valves have integral stops..huge amount of 💰 on overkill
He's going to upgrade to PEX from copper. Is he serious?
Pex is better, just a better material, copper has its place, but pex will be the new building standard.
@@devilmonkey Pex is not "better", its just easier and cheaper to work with.
@@Rudizel pex is better, especially in colder climates, it's a great material
@@Rudizel why they use it in pretty much all new builds, sorry bud. Ever seen copper corrode too. Your "better" material will be completely fazed out In the future , much like steel was. I'm sure all the old farts thought steel was better then copper too, and cry'd when it was replaced.
Makes sense to replace old stressed copper lines with plastic. I'm sure not ever line needed replaced but $o what
I would be PISSED if my plumber put that monstrosity in my basement. The look on their faces at 6:32 says it all. They guys face says, really, was this really necessary?
😆 exactly
cell ore is for scab plumbing
I think a lot of this was up charge from plumbing to art. Under each sink and toilet is a shut of value. and it is good to have one shut off value for the whole house. But that is just a waste. If you have a problem with your sink are you going to run down to that (art) room and shut it off? No. Also it is good that you vent each bath room. However going though the roof with a 3 inch from a 2 inch ?
I'm about to re-pipe my whole home. I'm going with copper manifolds and propex/F1960 (he removed propex and replaced with copper crimp rings. Why?! Stick with propex...)
I've personally had a construction crew run a nail into my copper plumbing while nailing on new sheathing. I had to rip into the wall one night, through the sheathing, to expose the copper lines, remove the punctured pipe and replace with a new piece and slip rings with the whole home's water off. If I had been able to simply turn off one valve I could have left the problem until the morning...and even then done the work without shutting down the rest of the home. What if a pipe bursts? Or you're doing a bathroom remodel?
What he removed was Uponor's EP manifolds. They're meant to be used not for home runs, but for a hybrid system - instead of trunk and branch, you run a single trunk through the home, using the EP manifolds to feed a bathroom or kitchen and continue the trunk to the next manifold (hence why those manifolds are not valved. They're meant to be buried in walls or under the floors.)
The manifolds he used have brass ball valves - they allow full flow through the pipe and are more reliable than other plumbing valves. I may not like the copper ring system, but the work he did looks right. I'd accept nothing less than a valved manifold.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.... I could be wrong but that looks like Pro-pex to me and you void the warranty if you use crimp pex fittings on propex?
As far as I'm aware 3in is code in Canada for the vent through the roof
Sigh, they are trying to save a plumber 15 minutes of downtime down the road in order to charge the homeowner THOUSANDS more upfront... not to mention wasting more money on heating water. I am glad I am not the home owner on this one...
Simon Cameron ....I totally agree....
That homerun system is nice, but if you go to a customer with the cost of doing one of those you will get laughed out of the house, if they bother to get quotes from other plumbers.
I didn't service plumbing all my life. I like a hot water return, but 1 in the house not every bathroom. . and the way i piped the couple i did do, i insatlled it in a way that it doesn't require a pump.. Seperate returns running to different areas with pumps, in my professional opinion are going to cause to many issues..1st as you pump hot water to wait to use it, it still heats & cools, running your heater much more than designed. So there is the monthly extra gas charge #2, thenalso the water heater will not last as long #3..
To me money spent has to = the comfort it gives me.. To me it can't happen. I'll run out a gallon or so while i brush my teeth waiting for the hot water..believe it or not I run my life with that kind of leeway, i'll always have that minute or 2 thank God, i couldn't imagine being that pressed for time.
@@thomasbroking7943 thats why you turn the pump on with the bathroom lights
@@ryanbrand3946 that is a great solution but also adds an electrician into the project..
10k to 15k You are crazy…
To a guy that's not a career plumber this seems like over kill for the job location. But your work is very clean.
Andramaches Papa .....it’s all about charging you more...$$$
How many pipes arecoming in? Sure it isnt an old leaking main cut and abandoned?? Expose it outside cut it flush bash it in at least some, seal it off...then cut it inside and see if it stops
Black dialog window, bottom left is too big and obscures video!
Home run plumbing is not really a good thing. I just took a hot shower. Now I want hot water at my sink in the same room. Guess what, you gotta wait to get hot at your sink because its a whole other line. No point in this other than more money for the plumber. Bullshit.
All this so IF and WHEN you need to service something you don't need to shut down entire house and save 15 min? Lol it takes 15 min to run down there, find what valve it is go back upstairs. Not to mention it's going to take a long time to get hot water to the upstairs shower and the vanity. Complete waste of time and resources. Have fun literally washing money down the drain as you wait for hot water
This is very true. Not great for a really big house. My workaround is to have two tankless for each half of the house. Have the tankless as close as possible to the bathroom to maintain hot water runs less than 20ft.
In a small home like most can afford, manifold or not the biggest waste is not insulating the pipes. If you insulate the pipes properly than a manifold system in a SMALL home is not really a waste.
Personally, 3/4" lines to each room then they split to 1/2" for each fixture in that room. This way you can still shut off one room at a time, not lose pressure at the shower when a toilet somewhere else is flushed, you use less piping than a total manifold, and have less heat loss.
They will never get the money back for all those renos if they sell the house.
Liking putting a 20,000$ enging in a 5,000$ car. I would bet my breath the renovations were way more than the house costs. It all looks pretty & nice but is it worth the expense.. How many people are living there that you want all seperate loops and equal pressure? Is it a house or a hotel??
Not everyone wants to sell, some people want bells and whistles because they don’t plan on moving
how is that code breaking out the basement floor and going under the foundation? common sense tell me you just caused a HUGE sink area for the foundation/basement wall to crack unless you fill the area the pipe resides in under the foundation on either side of the original footing with concrete to be sure there is not damaging settling going to occur with this work you just did?
Yes I have often thought that when people remove soil then they can't just put back light fluffy soil; they have to place concrete there.
Taking out the Uponor manifold and replacing it with the flow restricting metal deteriorating ring clamp system was not a good idea. Check this vid at the 8- min mark to see why. ruclips.net/video/KZX0aTvbEzo/видео.html
I don`t believe that this "home run" system is needed. I use a manifold and run 3/4 to each bathroom and tee them off at or in the bathroom wall. To get instant hot water, I then run an extra 1/2 inch recirc line back to the water heater and install a recirc pump. This way I can isolate one bathroom if needed while the other bathrooms are kept up and running. I don`t like running 30 separate lines to each fixture. It`s just over kill. So one 3/4 hot, one 3/4 cold and one 1/2 recirc line to each bathroom is all that is needed.
Fuck u!
@@devilmonkey well that's constructive,
I know this is almost a year-old comment, but I completely agree that this is the best way to run plumbing. I've lived in a house now with a manifold system and a branched system. Here's my morning routine; I turn the shower while I'm using the loo so it can warm up. It's 30 feet or more of pipe away, so it takes 45 seconds to warm up. I hop in and take a shower. I then hop out, dry off, and turn on the sink that's 12 inches away to shave. In the manifold system I got to sit there waiting for another 45 seconds for a dozen gallons of cold water to go down the drain. In the branch system, I had 1-2 seconds of cold water to flush out, and the hot water is at the sink. I'm fairly old, and I've had to turn off the water to the entire house to work on plumbing less than ten times. Once every five years? The benefit of a manifold system is so completely overshadowed by the fast availability of hot water I wouldn't suggest anyone consider anything other than a trunk and branch system. Insulate that branch and add a recirc pump and you will be the happiest person in the world!
Being you're accustomed to running the recirc lines. I want to know what that does to the life expecentcy of the water heaters?? I'm thinking cut it in half, plus the gas bill, how much is the difference between before installation of a recirc line??
We had lots of big homes where i worked, but way less than %10 of them had recirc lines..
@@thomasbroking7943 lol. Recirculating lines won't hurt the water heater.
Way too extensive on the plumbing. All you need is one shut off valve on a home. Shut off valvs at the toilets, sinks water heater, dish washer, The rest is a toatal waste of money , I would never ever use copper again , Pex pipe is way better and easier to install, and will preform better in freezing weather!
That Home Run system wastes so much water it is unbelievable! Everytime you use hot water you have to flush the entire water line back to hot water source. You can use that system on the cold water lines but not hot! The Hot water system should be a Master line maybe One inch in diameter running as close to each user as possible and isolation valves as close to each user as possible. Then at the farther most hot water user there should a small pump on a timer and temperature sensor that keeps the hot water line at usable temperature and it recycles water back to the hot water heater. Naturally the source line should be well insulated.
I've seen so many house layouts that have hot water users at the farther-est ends of the house AND on outside walls too boot.
Quick and cheap, that's all that matters any more!
While its good to have a shutoff, im concerned about the quality appearance of them
gee i am glad you HGTV folks are not in aerospace telling management this kinda nonsense, you can get away with to homeowners like P T Barnum extolled but please some of us know better.
Am I the only one who thinks that manifold system looks like shit?
Why not use Viega Manablocks?
11:07 Can we talk about that half-arsed downpipe setup behind Holmes and the plumber?
Deciding for me that I dont want the hottest water going to my sink would piss me off.
yea same most so when i do cup of noodles for a quick meal. now i have to put the water in a pan or microwave and heat it up again waste of money. but then im sure they did ask first before doing it otherwise they be taking it all out and not getting payed for anything and me finding new guys to do it
you set the temperature you want, dummy. He said there is a mixing valve. You can easily turn a dial to set it a whatever temperature you want. Don't get all up in arms about it.
@@johnmorrison9758 thats not my point. Not every homeowner would understand why some places are hotter than other.
@@Nothingtoya then that is their fault for not knowing. They should be able to easily find such things. I understand the plumbing in my house enough. If they buy a house with a mixing valve already installed, then they should notice the problem right away and get it looked at, either by talking a walk along the pipes, or call in a plumber, who would see it right away. Not a difficult situation at all.
funny that you replied so quickly after posting your original comment a year ago. Been waiting and watching for a reply all this time LOL
WOW! Talk about overkill! I hope the show paid for all that shit.
This guy must have the richest and dumbest customers ever. Up charge, up charge.
rheuss1 ....Are you questioning Mike Holmes....LOL.....Mike probably doesn’t know a lot about plumbing
and trust this plumbing guy...lol
It’s about $$$$...
@2:00 Look at the wall behind him... Now go watch Ouija Origin of evil ..
Trap primer on that floor drain trap? Nah! I thought you ran the camera down the sewer to the main? Why tear everything up?
lol
You might be able to use those lame sales tactics on the Canadians up there but if you try that here in East Texas these people are gonna call BS. Your points do not justify the means the upgrades.
replace all the pex because a few of of the lines are kinked? i agree scrap kinked lines then replace. you opt to charge the customer replace it all. just admit it, make more money on the job. why did you not then go or state with your expertise using pex A which is less prone to kinking and can be warmed to remove kinks if they ever occur. then the copper manifolds, why not run less overall pex and run dedicate larger lines to bathrooms kitchen then under the sink in the wall cutout making a manifold for all the feeders on that trunk line? again you make more money doing this and it looks cool to the customer right? not working in the customers best interest are you?
He uses the word illegal too much. None of it is illegal, it’s not a crime. You will not get fined or sent to prison for a bad plumbing job. It is against code though…
Extremely poor workmanship by whoever originally did that plumbing.
PEX pipe is a nightmare waiting to happen it lasts 5 years then starts leaking at the crimp rings. dumb design.
Pex is brilliant if used correctly. I only ever use the crimp style rings over those cheap synch down ones
Why aren’t you fellas using rehau pipe, it’s the ducks guts.. better than that cheap looking pex pipe.
What kpa are you running in domestic property’s.
I was fixing leaks on manifolds, while work was still being done on the rest of the house..
My boss would get any moe of the street to run the pex lines..but when they leaked they had no idea how to remove & replace leaks.
I love copper to me it's a professional job, if you want you can shine the pipes with brasso
Big Jaboopy .....I agree
Do you like the taste of chemicals in Pex A?
Holy shit what a waste of money on that manifold. What waste is this guy talking about when changing a washer???
This guys a hack!
The potential for disaster is installing ABS drains. Use PVC. Oh, and that laundry sink drain is perfectly fine. It runs into the floor drain above above the trap.
Why is that? The only difference between PVC and ABS is that PVC releases chlorine gas when burned. I've used ABS for 42 years and never have had a problem. Besides, it ain't the material. Shitty work is shitty work.
ABS is standard in most places. No reason to use PVC over it.
ExpressRooter could use a better name. Like... it sounds like a scammy company with hack 'technicians', instead of someone who is a meticulous worker and has high standards of those he hires/works with. Branding!
Over kill $$$.(
what a joke ....they rip people big time ,,,,,
I'm fire you ...