When you mentioned that the 2002 was involved in an assassination attempt I suddenly remembered that there's an smg type weapon in Mass Effect 2 that you loot from a vault specifically bc it was used to assassinate a president. I get the strong feeling that it's a direct reference.
I remember that gun - double checked and found you're referring to the M-12 Locust SMG ; I can see what you mean now. I was thinking of ME3's N7 Hurricane SMG, but then both are designed with the magazine well in the rear grip rather than the front.
The Agram's have a certain... almost "cyber punk" aesthetic. The B & T compact sub machine guns are far better built and reliable, plus I like the look of their first generation.
As a gunnoob, I was quite suprised to see how little actual barrel there was compared to the length of the firearm! I'm mainly interested in old muzzleloaded firearms, where the barrellength is basically the entire length of the metal tube (really only the stock makes the gun longer than the barrel). I always just kinda assumed it would be simular for modern firearms, that the bullet goes in all the way at the back, and is fired from somewhere just above the handle. But clearly that isn't the case, at least with this gun.
Principally, it is *feeding* that necessitates a certain length of action stroke, introducing some arbitrary dimensions to repeaters, automatic or manual, when compared to muzzle loaders and single-shot breech loaders. Which results in a fair few compactness-oriented firearm designs that are more action than barrel. Such super short barrels are certainly less than ideal, but with the modernity of self-contained metallic cartridges and fairly tight seal between the barrel and the projectile, they are still functional, which is considered "good enough" under such design considerations, where engagement distance is expected to be very short anyway.
@@beingsactual Yeah after he screwed open the weapon it made sense, I just never really thought about it that way. It just felt odd having such a relatively long weapon (most pistols are shorter) with such a short actual barrel.
Externally, the first one reminds me of the barrel shrouded Kimel AP-9 and the compact ver. reminds me of the Tec-9 Minis. They both probably function better though.
I didn't even know this existed, I was aware of the 2000 model and have always thought it a very good looking firearm and especially so in it's particular class of weapon (sub machine gun) , can't help but wonder what situation this would shine in over other platforms though.
Being produced locally in Croatia is where it "shines" over most other designs and platforms. There was an arms embargo in place when (the former) Yugoslavia disintegrated into "civil war"...
Interesting that it’s a closed bolt arrangement. It seems most blow back sub guns made under wartime conditions are simple open bolt designs. I think a provision for a stock would improve the design as well.
The supporting hand is waaaaay to close to the muzzle if you ask me. Some sort of anti-slip barrier like on the SP89 would not be a bad idea, especially when firing full auto. Again, very informative video Mr. Ferguson.
I have a feeling the type of gangster hitmen using this would most likely use it one-hand unsupported. Don't have any evidence to back that up of course, but dudes like that tend to prefer a 'power stance' style of shooting vs anything practical
I've never heard of this gun, so this was naturally quite interesting, thanks! It's somewhat unusual to see a modern blowback SMG without a telescoping bolt. By the way, Jonathan, on the topic of striker-firing, what's your view on the term 'horizontal hammer'? Is it just a marketing trick, or are there any systems you would describe as such?
Thank you! Definitely not marketing (usually "linear hammer" is used) - it's a weight that impacts a firing pin, whereas a striker is a firing pin that is cocked and released to fire without being struck by any kind of hammer. So a Lee-Enfield with its firing pin and cocking piece is technically "striker-fired" as of course is the "Safe Action" Glock. The vz58 however has a "linear hammer".
@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries Ah, yes, indeed, linear hammer, my mistake. Thank you for the detailed answer, this shows my lack of knowledge on and proper attention to the Vz. 58.
What a neat looking gun. "Cyberpunk" is right, it looks like a very 1980s vision of the future. It wouldn't be out of place to see some street ganger wielding one in an old Judge Dredd strip.
For an early April episode, could we see the Queen Elizabeth’s Pocket Pistol and it’s kin? I know artillery is not Jonathan’s forte, but seeing those old guns would fun.
i got a question for you Jonathan, is it possible for a break open weapon that can fire three difernt cartriges, like a shotgun round, one barrel, a 44 caliber another and a 22 caliber in another.
Oh man, the weird period of late 90's-early 2000's where plastic was almost guaranteed to be as durable as a dissolving napkin. Drop it from a foot above the ground, and it shatters. Set it near a window, and it shatters. Sit on it, it shatters. Clean it, it shatters. Leave it in the car, it melts. Fire it rapidly, it melts. etc.
If you left the suppressor off and the barrel shroud on, then stuck a smaller magazine into it, you’d have something that looks not unlike the Lawgiver Mk II from Judge Dredd.
Jonathan, I know it would probably be impossible but it would be hilarious if you could somehow take some of these historical pieces to compete in the Finnish or Lynx Brutality matches. The Royal Armories sending you as an official Liason would make people's day there lol
As a curator, it is my opinion that with cracks like those it's time to stop preserving and start conserving, a #80 drill is barely wider than those cracks but will stop them from spreading and spoiling this poor man's Skorpian.
The British Secret Service is in active communications and coordination with the Croatian government, much the same as during the previous Titoist Yugoslave regime. You having these weapons in your possession proves that.
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When you mentioned that the 2002 was involved in an assassination attempt I suddenly remembered that there's an smg type weapon in Mass Effect 2 that you loot from a vault specifically bc it was used to assassinate a president. I get the strong feeling that it's a direct reference.
I remember that gun - double checked and found you're referring to the M-12 Locust SMG ; I can see what you mean now. I was thinking of ME3's N7 Hurricane SMG, but then both are designed with the magazine well in the rear grip rather than the front.
Mr Ferguson is really good at this. Always interesting. Always so careful with the "stock". A pleasure to watch. I wish I was better at the quizzes. 😊
The 2000 is a beautiful looking firearm
In that late 90's "futuristic" kind of way, yeah.
Bears a lot of resemblance to later versions of the Tec-9, with the shorter exposed barrel.
I thought it was a tec 22 at first glance
It does look similar to a tec-9
Good catch. I kept trying to place why this Agram looked like it was familiar.
I really like the lines on this family of SMGs. Very cool looking guns.
They should make a gun that weighs 1 kg and call it A(kilo)gram. I apologize for my terrible joke.
😅
I forgot something:
Ba-dum, tss!
At this point you can just throw a weight around.
Or shuffle the letters and call it the Anagram.
I LIKE THESE CONCEPTS
I love this gun ,the Agram 2000. Far more than the B&T subguns, OR Scorpion.
the 2000 in particular is a oddly attractive firearm
The Agram's have a certain... almost "cyber punk" aesthetic. The B & T compact sub machine guns are far better built and reliable, plus I like the look of their first generation.
@williestyle35 it came to me last night. They look like the child of a Tech 9 and a P 90
@@jamescameron6819 good comparison
As a gunnoob, I was quite suprised to see how little actual barrel there was compared to the length of the firearm! I'm mainly interested in old muzzleloaded firearms, where the barrellength is basically the entire length of the metal tube (really only the stock makes the gun longer than the barrel). I always just kinda assumed it would be simular for modern firearms, that the bullet goes in all the way at the back, and is fired from somewhere just above the handle. But clearly that isn't the case, at least with this gun.
Principally, it is *feeding* that necessitates a certain length of action stroke, introducing some arbitrary dimensions to repeaters, automatic or manual, when compared to muzzle loaders and single-shot breech loaders. Which results in a fair few compactness-oriented firearm designs that are more action than barrel. Such super short barrels are certainly less than ideal, but with the modernity of self-contained metallic cartridges and fairly tight seal between the barrel and the projectile, they are still functional, which is considered "good enough" under such design considerations, where engagement distance is expected to be very short anyway.
@@beingsactual Yeah after he screwed open the weapon it made sense, I just never really thought about it that way. It just felt odd having such a relatively long weapon (most pistols are shorter) with such a short actual barrel.
Man jonathan bravley recording a video down a live firing range. He will do anything for another banger video
I'm a fan of the 2000 but this is an interesting step in its development story. Thanks for sharing.
It's pretty, thanks for covering this cool looking smg
It looks like a fancy variant of the TEC-9.
Externally, the first one reminds me of the barrel shrouded Kimel AP-9 and the compact ver. reminds me of the Tec-9 Minis. They both probably function better though.
My only question is where do I get that kick-ass SMG shirt??
I have been shamelessly begging Johnathan and Dave Jewitt to do an episode on his shirt collection for ages.
They both look simply great.
I didn't even know this existed, I was aware of the 2000 model and have always thought it a very good looking firearm and especially so in it's particular class of weapon (sub machine gun) , can't help but wonder what situation this would shine in over other platforms though.
Being produced locally in Croatia is where it "shines" over most other designs and platforms. There was an arms embargo in place when (the former) Yugoslavia disintegrated into "civil war"...
Interesting that it’s a closed bolt arrangement. It seems most blow back sub guns made under wartime conditions are simple open bolt designs. I think a provision for a stock would improve the design as well.
Reminds me of the internal workings of the Intratec Tec-9 series. It's very similar.
Even the exterior looks similar in a few ways. I wonder if Royal Armouries has done a video on the Tec - 9 ?
The supporting hand is waaaaay to close to the muzzle if you ask me. Some sort of anti-slip barrier like on the SP89 would not be a bad idea, especially when firing full auto.
Again, very informative video Mr. Ferguson.
Too close to the muzzle for what?
@@bunk95comfort
I have a feeling the type of gangster hitmen using this would most likely use it one-hand unsupported. Don't have any evidence to back that up of course, but dudes like that tend to prefer a 'power stance' style of shooting vs anything practical
Love the look very 80's sifi. Like something Stallone would use in Cobra or Demolition Man. Or water pistol my nephew might use at a pool party 🥳
Demolition Man was in 90s
@alexsetterington3142 1993 Somehow, that makes me feel older and sad 😔
That seems to be rather a well engineered machine pistol -- but a terrifying thing to have in the hands of criminals!
Very much a star wars looking gun too
These are just cooler tec-9s
Where did you find that shirt you’re wearing?? That’s subtle and cool! I didn’t notice until almost the end of video.
I've never heard of this gun, so this was naturally quite interesting, thanks! It's somewhat unusual to see a modern blowback SMG without a telescoping bolt.
By the way, Jonathan, on the topic of striker-firing, what's your view on the term 'horizontal hammer'? Is it just a marketing trick, or are there any systems you would describe as such?
Thank you! Definitely not marketing (usually "linear hammer" is used) - it's a weight that impacts a firing pin, whereas a striker is a firing pin that is cocked and released to fire without being struck by any kind of hammer. So a Lee-Enfield with its firing pin and cocking piece is technically "striker-fired" as of course is the "Safe Action" Glock. The vz58 however has a "linear hammer".
@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries Ah, yes, indeed, linear hammer, my mistake. Thank you for the detailed answer, this shows my lack of knowledge on and proper attention to the Vz. 58.
Another Great Video Jonathan 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Thanks Jonathan and team. Is this the MP5K that we have at home?
This gun was build in garage by Vugrek family, when I was in Croatian army as a first man of 4 in BVP 80, we had ERO something like big UZI...
What are the hours-of-angle on this thing?
Love the 8-bit subscribe animation.
Such a cool and odd lookin smg i just remeber been a young adult playing my xbox beating far cry 4 with the full size version
It would be interesting to know how RA aquires examples like this.
The barrel device is for proecting the threads.
What a neat looking gun. "Cyberpunk" is right, it looks like a very 1980s vision of the future. It wouldn't be out of place to see some street ganger wielding one in an old Judge Dredd strip.
Yep, good observation.
For an early April episode, could we see the Queen Elizabeth’s Pocket Pistol and it’s kin? I know artillery is not Jonathan’s forte, but seeing those old guns would fun.
i got a question for you Jonathan, is it possible for a break open weapon that can fire three difernt cartriges, like a shotgun round, one barrel, a 44 caliber another and a 22 caliber in another.
Very reminiscent of the KG9.
A bit reminiscent of the vz58, without the locking block.
Oh man, the weird period of late 90's-early 2000's where plastic was almost guaranteed to be as durable as a dissolving napkin. Drop it from a foot above the ground, and it shatters. Set it near a window, and it shatters. Sit on it, it shatters. Clean it, it shatters. Leave it in the car, it melts. Fire it rapidly, it melts. etc.
Será possível chegar no Brasil?
Both look cool af
Why
Didnt croatia offer these for export?
Its such a cool gun
If you know anything about that region in this era you know that they were importing guns back then, not exporting them.
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But i mean after the war
When these failed to get adpoted by the croatian army
@@toucanmasterx they tried. But only criminals were really interested.
I'm disappointed that you didn't show how the trigger and sear mechanism works.
Showed enough to explain it.
@@williestyle35 not to me (
@@darkart6487 aww, okay
Очень интересно...🧐
And here I thought it was another variation of the Nevxet. Darn.
They were both made by the same guy so you could make that argument :P
that's a cool ass gun
They look like guns in a 90s sci-fi anime or a 90s Hollywood sci-fi movie.
Was it the small or large one used in the Hoxton murder of a girl in a fast food shop?
If you left the suppressor off and the barrel shroud on, then stuck a smaller magazine into it, you’d have something that looks not unlike the Lawgiver Mk II from Judge Dredd.
Jonathan, I know it would probably be impossible but it would be hilarious if you could somehow take some of these historical pieces to compete in the Finnish or Lynx Brutality matches. The Royal Armories sending you as an official Liason would make people's day there lol
I wonder if there's a Croatian rapper named "Lil' Agram"
How much
x for automatic is just asking for trouble 😬
The only reason I have to go to the UK is the Royal Armories Museum and also meet Johnathon. I honestly prefer him over Ian (no hate to him)
The 2002 is clearly a "Tec 9" clone. They produced a variant with no barrel shroud.
Looks a bit like JatiMatic
A bit, if you squint just right.
As a curator, it is my opinion that with cracks like those it's time to stop preserving and start conserving, a #80 drill is barely wider than those cracks but will stop them from spreading and spoiling this poor man's Skorpian.
That's actually pretty ingenious, split the bolt in two and add a striker spring to get a closed-bolt shot. Thank you Jonathon, you dapper mofo!
Its a gun!
NO WAY
Add a big scope and you've got standard U.N.C.L.E. issue.
Has Jonathan seen what a guy has done with a p90 and a Thompson he has made on gun out of the two a pthompson
Jagged Alliance 2
8:52-9:06 Getting a little too sexy in here.
What cake is this based on?
No cake?
We lost our baker unfortunately :(
The British Secret Service is in active communications and coordination with the Croatian government, much the same as during the previous Titoist Yugoslave regime. You having these weapons in your possession proves that.
It seems to be designed by someone who has "some" expertise, but not enough to do a good job.
Whats the purpose for the design? Did it continue human slavery through the waste of life and resource?
No, that is the job of government.@@bunk95
No, that is the government's job.@@bunk95
It seems that making fun of our rulers is forbidden, lol.@@bunk95
You'd be shocked at what they chose to delete.@@bunk95