I agree with the "limited" feeling of Epidemic Sound. Almost like they are so much of the same thing and you feel limited because the good songs are usually overused by other creators and you dont want to use it aswell
lol. Artlist is known to send out copyright claims to their own customers. Tech & Design complains about it during live streams. He said he got over 400 claims from Artlist so far. They keep sending claims and releasing than sending again and again.
You confirmed what I was suspecting. Artlist songs sound like music and I don't mind browsing for too long, on Epidemic Sound I get fatigued really quickly. Thank you!
i create sports videos, i pay yearly subscription with Epidemic sound but i cancel in a month when i realized that is nothing descent audio there about sports
Thank you I just started learning cap cut. When I understand it I want to do a freelance job but only for shorts on Instagram, TikTok and RUclips so for me is important that I can use music even if I cancel the subscription because I don't want my clients to have any problems.
As long as you have an active subscription when the material is posted/published you're good to go. And if the client wants new content or modify existing content, that should be you who benefit from that ;) These days, musicians often move the rights to their material around quite a bit. It could be to a competing music service, a record label or maybe even a show that wants the exclusive rights to a specific song. With the amount of content being produced today and the number of different subscription services, it's becoming more important to have a great music service ;)
@@thomasfransson I am that guy who thinks more about client than my self. If i manage to do freelancing its not that i dream big money, like my goal is max 500-800€/$ monthly. But most important are happy clients and that they are happy.
Happy clients is always best. I'm just saying that if the client wants a specific song or whatever for a video, they're the ones that should pay for it, not you. At least not in the long run. If you get a commercial subscription at artlist for example and use their music for your client work - You will charge the client a portion of your yearly subscription cost. You can do this as a separate entry or bake it in with the rest of the cost. In the beginning it might be an investment on your end in order to offer your clients great music and make your life easier. But in the long run, this is a cost that should fall on your clients instead of you paying for their music ;) If you bake in the cost for your subscription service and keep that subscription going, it also keeps your clients from getting copyright strikes if they decide to re-post old content you've made a year later. Maybe its a early event or the join a new platform. It's important that the rights to that music remains at the same place and in your control. Otherwise you as a producer can offer to change the music for a fee if possible or see if you can clear a new license if the rights to that song now belongs to another company, person or subscription service. Hope that makes sense, it's a long way of saying that you can't get a one month subscription and download 10 years worth of music, then cancel your subscription and use it for commercial purposes ;)
@@thomasfransson Thanks i appreciate it, i have watched many videos but no one said that it should be at client cost. I learned one more important thing today!! Thank you 🙏🍻
It's hard to figure these things out in the beginning and you will learn as you go. But unless it's a passion project where you're willing to spend your own time and money. Then you should bake those costs in or add them as separate entries. Whether it’s music, keeping backups on physical drives or paying for cloud storage where your clients can acess the edited videos once they're done... Those costs should be placed on the clients. Just like if you run a restaurant, in every plate there some money that goes to wages, rent, bills, repairs and backup if the dishwasher breaks ;)
Don’t know when they changed it but Artlist now have the same license type as Epidemic where it’s only valid for new projects with a current subscription…
True, I made a more recent video where I mention this. Maybe there was too many people cannibalizing that generosity. That and the risk of an artist moving their rights to another online service- thus resulting in creators getting copyright strikes on songs they downloaded from artist when artlist could license it to you. Still great music and so much easier when dealing with client projects.
@@thomasfransson I can definitely see people taking advantage of that kind of generosity. I will check out your more recent videos!… I’m still not sure which service to try, and there seems to be a lot of choices out there beyond these two also. But thanks for the video and the reply, have a great day.
can you do a video how you shot this video ? did you use light souces like soft light boxes ? how did you create such good depth of field ? have you made the background blurry in software ? thank you
Glad you liked the look! This whole video was shot on my Canon SL2/200D and a manual vintage 50mm f1.7 lens. Most, if not all shots are shot wide open at f1.7 which was a bit of a pain ;) I focused on a point or object and walked up to that point in front of the camera. Double checking focus with the Canon smartphone app. That 50mm lens also create some pretty cool bokeh. I talk more about it in these two videos - ruclips.net/video/rW1RAJLytfQ/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/3S5CDMxBQHY/видео.html
Excellent video, Thomas! I have the personal Subscription on Epidemic Sound and I'm really happy with it. Artlist also seems like a phenomenal option. One thing I want to add is that Epidemic Sound has a HUGE data base with excellent samples for all sound effect needs if you for example are making short movies for your RUclips channel and if want some cool effects to add to your videos in general to highten the production value. Keep up the excellent work, you're a true source of inspiration! I'm finally on my way to make a fresh restart on my channel. It will be fun to enter creative mode again! :)
Thank you Jimmy! Good point, they both have a sound effects and foley library included with the personal and commercial plans. - Great to hear that you're working on new content again, it's been too long!
My biggest issue with Epidemic is that you need a perpetual active license. So 10 years down the line, I'll still have to remain subscribed, regardless of how much of their music I've downloaded.
True, this is the case for most subscriptions. As artists might switch platforms or reclaim the rights for them selves. Having an active subscription and making sure that the song is still in the library when publishing will lock in that license to that upload.
Excellent info and I like the natural/ wildlife footage very much. Great comparison. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank YOU! :) Definitely a subscription form my side.
Thank you so much for this video. I want to start with content creation and I was in doubt betweet ES en Artlist. Thank you for the clear explanation! You have a new sub! 👍
That's why I made a new video about a week ago. It was nice while it lasted. But anyone could see that this wasn't a viable long-term solution for neither Artlist, creators or the artists. Artists needs to get payed and if they're not happy with the level of compensation they'll move their catalog to another service and you'll get a copyright strike if you use the music as it's no longer part of the Artlist library. So it's a three way symbiosis between Artlist, artists and creators. That said, there's still no clearing links and that kind of stuff. And the music is still the most real sounding music in my opinion ;)
I logically it would be the same as for the music. As content rights move around, having a an active subscription by the time of posting is how you can be sure you won't get a copyright strike. I'm sure this is explained more detail on their website. But I can highly recommend artist max, the footage is amazing. Not your standard cookicutter stock footage.
Interesting video sir. I want to ask about artlist stock footage, I haven't subscribed yet, but when looking for LOG footage in the filter, why doesn't it look like LOG. Do I really have to subscribe and download it first to see LOG in the footage? thanks
Thank you. Hope it was helpful. LOG and raw footage is available as a download option on the clips that are available in either log or raw. Please note that this is an add on.
If I sing up in epidemic sound and use 5 songs in my videos and the next month I don't want to subscribe again. These 5 songs on my video are copyrighted or because they are uploaded they don't have a problem
If the video is posted during an active subscription there won't be a problem. But if you re-upload that same video later or use any of the same songs after you've ended your subscription. That's when you'll run into problem.
Yes you can use artlist on multiple platforms. The social creator license is limited to one account per platform and the unlimited is, unlimited. Social creator license: All your personal social channels. One social channel per platform Unlimited: Unlimited social channels
Epidemicsound takes the cake when it comes to sound effects. Artlist has definitely expanded their library but not quite caught up yet in terms of options.
@@thomasfransson thank you! I need background sounds such as ocean waves, market sounds, office, more nature etc to add to my audiobook project. Would these be considered sfx?
Thank you! This was mostly shot with the Canon 200D/SL2 and the Pentax 50mm f1.7 A bit tricky to film yourself with a manual lens. But the footage is usually worth the trouble ;) The festival footage same camera and the Sigma 18-35.
Yes, you can get a subscription for that project and then cancel your subscription when the music video is published. Artlist added some clarity/updated the terms of use just recently in order to protect creators from getting copyright strikes. As an example - If an artist have their music available on artlist and then gets a record deal where they have to transfer the rights to that record label. That record label now own the rights to that music and can give you a copyright strike if you publish a video after the transfer of rights. I recently experienced this as I resumed a project I started 8 months ago where I had downloaded music and used it in my rough cut. When I resumed the project I noticed that one of the artists music was no longer available on artlist. So if I would have published that video today - the company/person currently holding the copyright would probably gotten med a copyright strike. I hope this answers the your question. Cheers!
Unfortunately, Artlist changed the terms. I started a subscription on Artlist based on what you said about the license, but I realized you are not free to use the music if you end your subscription. Please update your information.
Theres probably been some changes and updates to both services since this and videos before mine was posted. I recently made the same discovery on an old project I resumed where the artist were no longer available on artlist. My guess, if an artist moves their music and rights between platforms and labels, Artlist/Epidemic Sound no longer have the rights for that music which would result in a copyright strike if you use it in a production after it's no longer in their catalog. It's a total bummer, but probably the best way for them to save you from getting copyright claims. I'm sorry, but that is just what will happen over time. I will add a disclaimer in the description about terms of use. And make more videos around these services. Cheers!
I understand, sorry that they've made changes. But these things will happen. Terms of use can change xyz amount of times/year on a platform. If your not happy with your subscription, I would suggest you contact Artlist and ask for a refund Cheers and have a good one!
That's what I am figuring out. There are so many options out there. I do like the fact that in Artlist you can get clips of the instruments that are playing in the song to fit your needs.@@thomasfransson
Both Artlist and epidemic sound offers monthly subscriptions for their social plans. For commercial subscriptions you'll just add the cost for music to your clients bill. Keep in mind that clients might post that content to new platforms over the course of a few months as they expand their social media presence. That's why a yearly plan makes a lot of sense. To keep you and your clients in the clear.
No, as long as you have an active subscription when the video is published. That video will be safe from all copyright claims and things of that nature. Including monetization via youtube.
They do. Personally I found it to be very clunky and limited. I prefer using the desktop site on my smartphone. Even when just browsing for music on my commute or while out shooting.
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I agree with the "limited" feeling of Epidemic Sound. Almost like they are so much of the same thing and you feel limited because the good songs are usually overused by other creators and you dont want to use it aswell
Nail on the head!
Lol, this is exactly how I feel about Artlist. 😆
@@jaredsmith418 I just subscribed to artlist :(
lol. Artlist is known to send out copyright claims to their own customers. Tech & Design complains about it during live streams. He said he got over 400 claims from Artlist so far. They keep sending claims and releasing than sending again and again.
Awesome video my friend! No bs , no 30 minutes dry talk !
Respect!
Thank you! I appreciate it
You confirmed what I was suspecting. Artlist songs sound like music and I don't mind browsing for too long, on Epidemic Sound I get fatigued really quickly. Thank you!
Both are great, but yes, depending on your music taste and the type of projects you're doing. One is definitely better than the other.
i create sports videos, i pay yearly subscription with Epidemic sound but i cancel in a month when i realized that is nothing descent audio there about sports
Did you find a service that works better for you?
Thank you I just started learning cap cut. When I understand it I want to do a freelance job but only for shorts on Instagram, TikTok and RUclips so for me is important that I can use music even if I cancel the subscription because I don't want my clients to have any problems.
As long as you have an active subscription when the material is posted/published you're good to go. And if the client wants new content or modify existing content, that should be you who benefit from that ;)
These days, musicians often move the rights to their material around quite a bit. It could be to a competing music service, a record label or maybe even a show that wants the exclusive rights to a specific song. With the amount of content being produced today and the number of different subscription services, it's becoming more important to have a great music service ;)
@@thomasfransson I am that guy who thinks more about client than my self. If i manage to do freelancing its not that i dream big money, like my goal is max 500-800€/$ monthly. But most important are happy clients and that they are happy.
Happy clients is always best. I'm just saying that if the client wants a specific song or whatever for a video, they're the ones that should pay for it, not you. At least not in the long run.
If you get a commercial subscription at artlist for example and use their music for your client work - You will charge the client a portion of your yearly subscription cost. You can do this as a separate entry or bake it in with the rest of the cost. In the beginning it might be an investment on your end in order to offer your clients great music and make your life easier. But in the long run, this is a cost that should fall on your clients instead of you paying for their music ;)
If you bake in the cost for your subscription service and keep that subscription going, it also keeps your clients from getting copyright strikes if they decide to re-post old content you've made a year later. Maybe its a early event or the join a new platform.
It's important that the rights to that music remains at the same place and in your control. Otherwise you as a producer can offer to change the music for a fee if possible or see if you can clear a new license if the rights to that song now belongs to another company, person or subscription service.
Hope that makes sense, it's a long way of saying that you can't get a one month subscription and download 10 years worth of music, then cancel your subscription and use it for commercial purposes ;)
@@thomasfransson Thanks i appreciate it, i have watched many videos but no one said that it should be at client cost. I learned one more important thing today!! Thank you 🙏🍻
It's hard to figure these things out in the beginning and you will learn as you go.
But unless it's a passion project where you're willing to spend your own time and money. Then you should bake those costs in or add them as separate entries. Whether it’s music, keeping backups on physical drives or paying for cloud storage where your clients can acess the edited videos once they're done...
Those costs should be placed on the clients.
Just like if you run a restaurant, in every plate there some money that goes to wages, rent, bills, repairs and backup if the dishwasher breaks ;)
Great video! Was JUST looking for some advice on that!
Thank you, glad it was helpful!
Don’t know when they changed it but Artlist now have the same license type as Epidemic where it’s only valid for new projects with a current subscription…
True, I made a more recent video where I mention this. Maybe there was too many people cannibalizing that generosity. That and the risk of an artist moving their rights to another online service- thus resulting in creators getting copyright strikes on songs they downloaded from artist when artlist could license it to you.
Still great music and so much easier when dealing with client projects.
@@thomasfransson I can definitely see people taking advantage of that kind of generosity. I will check out your more recent videos!…
I’m still not sure which service to try, and there seems to be a lot of choices out there beyond these two also. But thanks for the video and the reply, have a great day.
can you do a video how you shot this video ? did you use light souces like soft light boxes ? how did you create such good depth of field ? have you made the background blurry in software ? thank you
Glad you liked the look!
This whole video was shot on my Canon SL2/200D and a manual vintage 50mm f1.7 lens. Most, if not all shots are shot wide open at f1.7 which was a bit of a pain ;)
I focused on a point or object and walked up to that point in front of the camera. Double checking focus with the Canon smartphone app.
That 50mm lens also create some pretty cool bokeh.
I talk more about it in these two videos - ruclips.net/video/rW1RAJLytfQ/видео.html
and ruclips.net/video/3S5CDMxBQHY/видео.html
Excellent video, Thomas! I have the personal Subscription on Epidemic Sound and I'm really happy with it. Artlist also seems like a phenomenal option.
One thing I want to add is that Epidemic Sound has a HUGE data base with excellent samples for all sound effect needs if you for example are making short movies for your RUclips channel and if want some cool effects to add to your videos in general to highten the production value.
Keep up the excellent work, you're a true source of inspiration! I'm finally on my way to make a fresh restart on my channel. It will be fun to enter creative mode again! :)
Thank you Jimmy!
Good point, they both have a sound effects and foley library included with the personal and commercial plans.
- Great to hear that you're working on new content again, it's been too long!
My biggest issue with Epidemic is that you need a perpetual active license. So 10 years down the line, I'll still have to remain subscribed, regardless of how much of their music I've downloaded.
Don’t you find the sound effects on epidemic sounds a little to computer made rather than using real audio recorded sound effects on
@@SilvaGoof Not in general, no.
True, this is the case for most subscriptions. As artists might switch platforms or reclaim the rights for them selves. Having an active subscription and making sure that the song is still in the library when publishing will lock in that license to that upload.
Thanks a bunch! That settled it for me, going with Artlist.
Rock on!
Excellent info and I like the natural/ wildlife footage very much. Great comparison. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank YOU! :) Definitely a subscription form my side.
Thank you! Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for this video. I want to start with content creation and I was in doubt betweet ES en Artlist. Thank you for the clear explanation! You have a new sub! 👍
Glad to hear it was helpful
Now, go for it! Make it happen!
Thank you so much Thomas, this video is so valuable. It really helps me make my decision!
Glad to hear it made it easier for you!
Great breakdown of the pros and cons of both options
Thank you, hope it helped
Thank you, I actually agree and found this very helpful. Just subscribed with Artlist using your referral code.
Awesome, thank you! Enjoy your new music!
Super useful video! Very useful reading the comments from other creators as well. I'll go with Artlist :)
So glad it was helpful!
Muchas muchas Gracias!!!
Artlist 👍🏻
Thanks for the comparison. I like how you can keep the music from Artlist for future use.
It's a neat perk
It's not available any more. The license on artlist now matches all other platforms
That's why I made a new video about a week ago.
It was nice while it lasted. But anyone could see that this wasn't a viable long-term solution for neither Artlist,
creators or the artists.
Artists needs to get payed and if they're not happy with the level of compensation they'll move their catalog to another service and you'll get a copyright strike if you use the music as it's no longer part of the Artlist library.
So it's a three way symbiosis between Artlist, artists and creators. That said, there's still no clearing links and that kind of stuff. And the music is still the most real sounding music in my opinion ;)
Hey Mr. Fransson
Awesome video
Does anyone knows if I can one use the stock footage in artlist after the subscription ends?
I logically it would be the same as for the music. As content rights move around, having a an active subscription by the time of posting is how you can be sure you won't get a copyright strike. I'm sure this is explained more detail on their website. But I can highly recommend artist max, the footage is amazing. Not your standard cookicutter stock footage.
You helped me a lot with your video. Thanx!
Glad to hear! Thank you
Interesting video sir. I want to ask about artlist stock footage, I haven't subscribed yet, but when looking for LOG footage in the filter, why doesn't it look like LOG. Do I really have to subscribe and download it first to see LOG in the footage? thanks
Thank you. Hope it was helpful.
LOG and raw footage is available as a download option on the clips that are available in either log or raw.
Please note that this is an add on.
Thank you for this review.
Glad to be of help.
Thank you for leaving a nice comment.
thank you
If I sing up in epidemic sound and use 5 songs in my videos and the next month I don't want to subscribe again. These 5 songs on my video are copyrighted or because they are uploaded they don't have a problem
If the video is posted during an active subscription there won't be a problem.
But if you re-upload that same video later or use any of the same songs after you've ended your subscription. That's when you'll run into problem.
@@thomasfransson Thank you 💯
thank for the info and your time :)
Thank you Ken, glad to hear.
thank you very much
You are so welcome!
Thanks this was supper helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you
Can you use Artlist across platforms? Like, if I have 2 RUclips channels, and TikTok, can I use the same subscription for all 3?
Yes you can use artlist on multiple platforms. The social creator license is limited to one account per platform and the unlimited is, unlimited.
Social creator license:
All your personal social channels.
One social channel per platform
Unlimited:
Unlimited social channels
Hi! What is your opinion on sound effects, which platform is better? I need background sounds of nature, different cities, office etc.
Epidemicsound takes the cake when it comes to sound effects. Artlist has definitely expanded their library but not quite caught up yet in terms of options.
@@thomasfransson thank you! I need background sounds such as ocean waves, market sounds, office, more nature etc to add to my audiobook project. Would these be considered sfx?
I found your way of presenting awesome! Subscribed! What camera and lenses did you use for this video?
Thank you!
This was mostly shot with the Canon 200D/SL2 and the Pentax 50mm f1.7
A bit tricky to film yourself with a manual lens. But the footage is usually worth the trouble ;)
The festival footage same camera and the Sigma 18-35.
thanks, great video
Thanks Glad it was helpful
If I get artlist, make a music video with one song, and remove the subscription; is this still okay to do?
Yes, you can get a subscription for that project and then cancel your subscription when the music video is published.
Artlist added some clarity/updated the terms of use just recently in order to protect creators from getting copyright strikes.
As an example - If an artist have their music available on artlist and then gets a record deal where they have to transfer the rights to that record label. That record label now own the rights to that music and can give you a copyright strike if you publish a video after the transfer of rights.
I recently experienced this as I resumed a project I started 8 months ago where I had downloaded music and used it in my rough cut. When I resumed the project I noticed that one of the artists music was no longer available on artlist. So if I would have published that video today - the company/person currently holding the copyright would probably gotten med a copyright strike.
I hope this answers the your question.
Cheers!
@@thomasfransson your amazing , thanks for this
Artlist. Agree!
Unfortunately, Artlist changed the terms. I started a subscription on Artlist based on what you said about the license, but I realized you are not free to use the music if you end your subscription. Please update your information.
It is better to remove this video, add the new information, and upload it again.
Theres probably been some changes and updates to both services since this and videos before mine was posted.
I recently made the same discovery on an old project I resumed where the artist were no longer available on artlist.
My guess, if an artist moves their music and rights between platforms and labels, Artlist/Epidemic Sound no longer have the rights for that music which would result in a copyright strike if you use it in a production after it's no longer in their catalog. It's a total bummer, but probably the best way for them to save you from getting copyright claims.
I'm sorry, but that is just what will happen over time. I will add a disclaimer in the description about terms of use. And make more videos around these services.
Cheers!
@@thomasfransson It is not like your example, but a greater change. Look at the FAQ "How long is the license valid?"
I understand, sorry that they've made changes. But these things will happen. Terms of use can change xyz amount of times/year on a platform.
If your not happy with your subscription, I would suggest you contact Artlist and ask for a refund
Cheers and have a good one!
would you say for artists who draw Timelapse videos should go for Epidemic sound or Artlist?
It totally depends on your taste in music and what you think would fit your content the best.
That's what I am figuring out. There are so many options out there. I do like the fact that in Artlist you can get clips of the instruments that are playing in the song to fit your needs.@@thomasfransson
ARTLIST it is
Do you mean the stems on epidemic sound?
@@thomasfransson I thought it was on artlist? The stems.
Didn’t Peter McKinnon also switch? And he was friends with the owners of ES as well lol. They must be salty
Yes I believe he did.
Very informative thank you🙏
Glad if I'm able to help.
@@thomasfransson 🤝🙏
What is very annoying about these music apps are ANNUALLY BILLING. There should be more flexibility. A lot of things happen within a full year
Both Artlist and epidemic sound offers monthly subscriptions for their social plans.
For commercial subscriptions you'll just add the cost for music to your clients bill. Keep in mind that clients might post that content to new platforms over the course of a few months as they expand their social media presence. That's why a yearly plan makes a lot of sense. To keep you and your clients in the clear.
but if you stop paying the subscription, they won't let you monetize the video . that's right?
No, as long as you have an active subscription when the video is published. That video will be safe from all copyright claims and things of that nature. Including monetization via youtube.
thank you sir
Most welcome
incredible video
Thank you. So glad to hear that you liked it!
Have a nice weekend
It's good Experience brother ❤
Thanks ✌️
epidemic has an app...
They do. Personally I found it to be very clunky and limited.
I prefer using the desktop site on my smartphone. Even when just browsing for music on my commute or while out shooting.