Recently had two fittings - one with high end clubfitter and my second was a local fitter who has a good reputation. Told both fitters my budget. Swing speed is 75 mph, 68 years old, 7 handicap. Am a low ball player. After 3 o4 swings, the first fitter quickly went to custom shafts. Was not long before my budget exhausted. He would not listen to my request for more reasonable choices, so I packed up and left. I was there 20 minutes. Second fitter took his time, asked questions about me and my game. We tried 5 club heads - 3 were eliminated quickly (Callaway Ai Smoke, Taylormade Q, Srixon ZX5. Srixon ZX4, Mizuno Hot Metal HL stayed. Ended up with HL. Did try an up charge shaft, but the standard graphite shaft gave better results for distance,feel and dispersion. Felt good about the fitting and fitter so I ordered them. Thanks for your channel. It has given me the knowledge of what a fitting should be and the methodology that should be used. Very much appreciated!
A mentor of mine once told me I have 1 opportunity to earn someone’s trust, screw it up and you’ll never get past the 1st golf club and you’ll miss out on the 13 others.
The main man dropping some more HEAT.... from the top rope too with this one =) Love this video, and I definitely wish I didn't rush into ClubChampion as quickly as I did a couple of years ago. Your channel has been a blessing to all of us who thirst for this knowledge. Thank you for another great video !
Recently got fitted and I found more consistency and a few mph of ball speed as soon as I tried the Ventus red TR. I had been trying stock shafts up until then in the Ai Smoke Max. Enjoyed the video!
Found your channel this morning. I've watching a few videos and I love the approach you are taking! I went to an iron fitting a few weeks ago with the intent to being fit into one of Takomo's oem shafts and lie-angle. The fitter was really trying to sell me Taylormade P790. He tried to pull a curve ball by giving a shaft that actually fit me perfectly but he didn't realize it actually is one of Takomo's customized options. Hence, I am very happy for getting what I payed for but was left with a slightly bitter taste in my mouth. I ended up ordering the customized Takomos what I planned to.
Thanks for the kind words and for sharing. I hate to say the practice of steering the fit happens more often then not, and generally you can see it a mile away. One of the ways I eliminate this, is at the start of the fit, I will select the heads I will want to try based on what I like or don’t like during the baseline capture. So I’ll pick 3-4 heads and I’ll give the customer a quick preview of why I may like these heads, and I also like to make an early prediction. This not only tests my ability with seeing the outcome before they ever swing, but man when you nail it, they are like how did you do that.😀
I wish this video came out last year. Spend $500 on a driver and 249 for a custom shaft. This year I went to PXG and got the stock haradous smoke stock shaft for my 7 wood. Thanks for the education
get video as always. How would one figure out their tempo of their swing? Hoenstly I wish you were closer to me. LOL I have been contemplating a trip to see you!
The swing happens so fast so it really is hard to measure unless you have some form of sensor. With that said I like using a metronome app on your phone. And there you can set it up. And then match your swing to the beat. Go slower back and down and then faster back and down and then mix it up go slow to the top and then pull the rip cord. Generally you will find that you have better contact with one of those three approaches. Let me know if any of them and the app helps.
Great video! Here's a question that I think is relevant. Let's say that one believes from past experiences they hit a shorter shaft better by far (dispersion even distance, due to quality of strike, and as evidenced by the pros themselves swinging avg 44.5 inch length, right?) than standard shaft length. If I'm a smooth transition 92 mph hitter, can I ballpark what shaft impacts this will have? (Shortening impacting stiffness and swing weight). --Maybe this just pushes me closer to the smooth 95-104 selection of stock shafts? I think I'll find better results starting with a driver around 44 inches, maybe 44.5, and then selecting among the stock shafts. But in a fitting, the fitters won't have the stock shafts already appropriately trimmed in length. Advice? Thanks much
So fair question, all of our fit shafts are 45 1/2. And when we suspect going shorter can help we will go larger grip and choke down this way the grip doesn’t feel too small, and we can then get a sense for how the driver will perform at the shorter length. When we do this we will also increase the weight of the driver to offset lighter SwingWeight sensation as a result of choking down.
Thanks for this As someone who is heading back to the course after some injuries and five years off. I need to narrow down my profile and shaft type before I even start to think about new club options, would you remind just doing a long game fitting ? Or maybe just a gapping session trying some various options ? since I think a full bag is too much for me to handle
That’s not an unreasonable ask, we call this service Retro Fitting. So the goal it to find a different dance partner and see if there’s anything that can be done to improve the shot outcome without having fork over a ton of cash. I say it’s about a 50/50 split. Half the time we are fitting new and the other half we are upgrading components. Good question.
John, thanx for all the 411. A question that I have while looking at the information. Why does the Tensei Blue have a stronger torque profile in X vs TX in the 65 gm weight?
Good question, more than not MFG’s will use torque as a means to make a shaft feel stiffer or softer then the flex they have chosen for it to be at. So the only logical answer I can provide would be if they didn’t lower the torque in the TX it likely would have felt like a 2x4.
@@SwingFit awesome! My old gamer was Stealth+ 10.5 degree Kaili 6S and now I’m getting into Ai Smoke Max 9 degree with Ventus TR Red. The lower lofted head with the kick I feel in the Red seems to be a perfect combo (not to mention what you said above) thanks, love learning from your videos!
Thank you for being honest. I cringe when guys in my golf group with 90 mph clubhead speeds go to a certain national clubfitting chain and get fleeced for drivers with exotic shafts and overall unnecessary charges that results in $1,000 to $1,200 price tags when they would have been just as well off with a standard stock line up at up to $600 less. There's just not that much of an incremental meaningful performance difference for guys at those clubhead speeds in most cases. Separation for golf balls, golf shafts and heads begin around 110 mph.
Generally agree with your comment on shafts and clubs, however, there are benefits to being in the right ball especially if a player is going cheap like a Kirkland ball or any two piece ball. Players need to play a decent ball suited to their launch conditions. Easy way to optimize your current club set up
Won’t argue there GolfBalls at 100mph and under the affect of the GolfBall is still evident, it’s just not as profound as it gets when velocity picks up. If anything I will say more then not a little firmer ball for slower swings generally help with distance and a littler softer core can help with launch.
I am a fitter with Mizuno and I can fit 90% of the golfers I deal with with stock shafts with very good results in both woods and irons.
Thanks for sharing, it’s really hard to argue the Trackman data, when you here testimonials such as yours.😀
Recently had two fittings - one with high end clubfitter and my second was a local fitter who has a good reputation. Told both fitters my budget. Swing speed is 75 mph, 68 years old, 7 handicap. Am a low ball player.
After 3 o4 swings, the first fitter quickly went to custom shafts. Was not long before my budget exhausted. He would not listen to my request for more reasonable choices, so I packed up and left. I was there 20 minutes.
Second fitter took his time, asked questions about me and my game. We tried 5 club heads - 3 were eliminated quickly (Callaway Ai Smoke, Taylormade Q, Srixon ZX5. Srixon ZX4, Mizuno Hot Metal HL stayed. Ended up with HL. Did try an up charge shaft, but the standard graphite shaft gave better results for distance,feel and dispersion. Felt good about the fitting and fitter so I ordered them.
Thanks for your channel. It has given me the knowledge of what a fitting should be and the methodology that should be used. Very much appreciated!
Thank you for sharing, I’m really glad you didn’t give up, who knows maybe with the help of you tube we’ll be able to move the needle to 40%.😀
A man that is honest to his customers you can't go wrong. Thanks.
A mentor of mine once told me I have 1 opportunity to earn someone’s trust, screw it up and you’ll never get past the 1st golf club and you’ll miss out on the 13 others.
The main man dropping some more HEAT.... from the top rope too with this one =) Love this video, and I definitely wish I didn't rush into ClubChampion as quickly as I did a couple of years ago. Your channel has been a blessing to all of us who thirst for this knowledge. Thank you for another great video !
I try not to disappoint, thanks for the continued support.
Your honesty in your trade will give you more blessings. Now I am "Subscribed"!
Thank you, for the kind words
Recently got fitted and I found more consistency and a few mph of ball speed as soon as I tried the Ventus red TR. I had been trying stock shafts up until then in the Ai Smoke Max. Enjoyed the video!
No disputing the Ventus shafts are really good, they’re just not for everyone. Thanks for sharing.
Found your channel this morning. I've watching a few videos and I love the approach you are taking!
I went to an iron fitting a few weeks ago with the intent to being fit into one of Takomo's oem shafts and lie-angle. The fitter was really trying to sell me Taylormade P790. He tried to pull a curve ball by giving a shaft that actually fit me perfectly but he didn't realize it actually is one of Takomo's customized options. Hence, I am very happy for getting what I payed for but was left with a slightly bitter taste in my mouth.
I ended up ordering the customized Takomos what I planned to.
Thanks for the kind words and for sharing. I hate to say the practice of steering the fit happens more often then not, and generally you can see it a mile away. One of the ways I eliminate this, is at the start of the fit, I will select the heads I will want to try based on what I like or don’t like during the baseline capture. So I’ll pick 3-4 heads and I’ll give the customer a quick preview of why I may like these heads, and I also like to make an early prediction. This not only tests my ability with seeing the outcome before they ever swing, but man when you nail it, they are like how did you do that.😀
Thank you for for being honest about driver club fittings. This is great info to know as I'll be getting new clubs this year. Cheers.
Anytime.
Great, common sense advice is hard to find nowadays!!! Love the content!! Great Job!
I appreciate that! Thanks for the support.
I wish this video came out last year. Spend $500 on a driver and 249 for a custom shaft. This year I went to PXG and got the stock haradous smoke stock shaft for my 7 wood. Thanks for the education
I guess better late than never, but at least now you have some good research to help for the next go around.
Thank you John. I wish there was another one of you on the west coast! Great and honest video
Thanks bud, I wish there was another one of me as well, I could get twice as much done in a day.😀
Refreshingly honest as usual John.
Thanks for the kind words.
Well done, John. You are doing the Lord's work, as they say.
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Great info. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
get video as always. How would one figure out their tempo of their swing? Hoenstly I wish you were closer to me. LOL I have been contemplating a trip to see you!
The swing happens so fast so it really is hard to measure unless you have some form of sensor. With that said I like using a metronome app on your phone. And there you can set it up. And then match your swing to the beat. Go slower back and down and then faster back and down and then mix it up go slow to the top and then pull the rip cord. Generally you will find that you have better contact with one of those three approaches. Let me know if any of them and the app helps.
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My TSr2 driver and Velocore TR shaft is 1k through Titleist, I bought the head and shaft separately for less than 500
That’s a steal for sure
Patient shopping during the winter
Nov-Dec are without question the best time to find your best deals.
Great video! Here's a question that I think is relevant. Let's say that one believes from past experiences they hit a shorter shaft better by far (dispersion even distance, due to quality of strike, and as evidenced by the pros themselves swinging avg 44.5 inch length, right?) than standard shaft length. If I'm a smooth transition 92 mph hitter, can I ballpark what shaft impacts this will have? (Shortening impacting stiffness and swing weight). --Maybe this just pushes me closer to the smooth 95-104 selection of stock shafts? I think I'll find better results starting with a driver around 44 inches, maybe 44.5, and then selecting among the stock shafts. But in a fitting, the fitters won't have the stock shafts already appropriately trimmed in length. Advice? Thanks much
So fair question, all of our fit shafts are 45 1/2. And when we suspect going shorter can help we will go larger grip and choke down this way the grip doesn’t feel too small, and we can then get a sense for how the driver will perform at the shorter length. When we do this we will also increase the weight of the driver to offset lighter SwingWeight sensation as a result of choking down.
thanks
@@SwingFit
Thanks for this As someone who is heading back to the course after some injuries and five years off. I need to narrow down my profile and shaft type before I even start to think about new club options, would you remind just doing a long game fitting ? Or maybe just a gapping session trying some various options ? since I think a full bag is too much for me to handle
That’s not an unreasonable ask, we call this service Retro Fitting. So the goal it to find a different dance partner and see if there’s anything that can be done to improve the shot outcome without having fork over a ton of cash. I say it’s about a 50/50 split. Half the time we are fitting new and the other half we are upgrading components. Good question.
John, thanx for all the 411. A question that I have while looking at the information. Why does the Tensei Blue have a stronger torque profile in X vs TX in the 65 gm weight?
Good question, more than not MFG’s will use torque as a means to make a shaft feel stiffer or softer then the flex they have chosen for it to be at. So the only logical answer I can provide would be if they didn’t lower the torque in the TX it likely would have felt like a 2x4.
Could you compare the forgiveness for Ai Smoke Max compared to Stealth+ ?
Ai smoke’s the pants off of the stealth drivers for forgiveness.
@@SwingFit awesome! My old gamer was Stealth+ 10.5 degree Kaili 6S and now I’m getting into Ai Smoke Max 9 degree with Ventus TR Red. The lower lofted head with the kick I feel in the Red seems to be a perfect combo (not to mention what you said above) thanks, love learning from your videos!
Anytime, don’t hesitate to reach out should you have any other questions.
Thank you for being honest. I cringe when guys in my golf group with 90 mph clubhead speeds go to a certain national clubfitting chain and get fleeced for drivers with exotic shafts and overall unnecessary charges that results in $1,000 to $1,200 price tags when they would have been just as well off with a standard stock line up at up to $600 less. There's just not that much of an incremental meaningful performance difference for guys at those clubhead speeds in most cases. Separation for golf balls, golf shafts and heads begin around 110 mph.
Couldn’t agree more.
Generally agree with your comment on shafts and clubs, however, there are benefits to being in the right ball especially if a player is going cheap like a Kirkland ball or any two piece ball. Players need to play a decent ball suited to their launch conditions. Easy way to optimize your current club set up
Won’t argue there GolfBalls at 100mph and under the affect of the GolfBall is still evident, it’s just not as profound as it gets when velocity picks up. If anything I will say more then not a little firmer ball for slower swings generally help with distance and a littler softer core can help with launch.
Great video. Now i have data to show the wife I need the Ventus. Lmao
Consider it a blessing my friend, as you’re in a small percentile of the Golfing population.😀
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