Can an ‘affordable’ 1970s MARSHALL come close to the 1960s HOLY GRAIL ‘Hendrix’ PLEXI?
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2019
- In this video I compare a 1967 Marshall Super Bass to a 1971 Marshall Super. So, model no. 1992 Vs 1959, Pinstripe vs Basketweave grill cloth and G12H25 vs G12H30. Both cabs are Marshall model 1982A 4x12. I'm playing a 1973 Fender Stratocaster with 1976 Pickups.
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There is an alternate universe where plexis are collecting Johans and making videos about them...
Hahahaha! A truly disturbing thought ;-)
You mean.. JOHANDS!
BEST COMMENT EVER!!!
Rick & Morty plot twist
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That 67 Super Bass is just brilliant sounding. Wow!
That 67 bass is amazing!!
It is indeed!
Both great amps obviously, the 67 sounds better with single coils but I think the 71 would sound better with a humbucker because it is brighter. I am partial because I like bright and I also prefer humbuckers. Even though Hendrix tone is fantastic, there is nothing quite like a Les Paul with a cranked superlead as you already know very very well haha! With a few minor component tweaks i think they would both be pretty close but then again no two Marshalls sound alike, I've played great ones and downright horrible ones depending on the Transformers and factoring in component drift.
Thanks Larry! With Les Pauls it would be advantage 71 SL for sure.
For me its hands-down '67 Super Bass! Someone should be building these! 😎👍
I liked the 67' a smidge better but at this point I feel like I'm comparing private jets I can't afford and picking which one best fits my needs haha! So envious. Cheers!
Cheers Dean! ;-)
I thought they both sounded good. The 67 was cleanrer. The 71 sounded crunchier at times. I like both.
Johan Segeborn is Just an Expert when it comes to Marshall Amps and it is no wonder why these videos remain to be very popular and praised among the Marshall Amp Community.
Very Very interesting and just Fantastic!!!
Wow that combination of guitar and amp is really producing some glassy clean tones! Thanks for sharing that.
Thanks David, I’m glad to hear that!
Watching these videos makes me love my marshall 1987x half stack even more. Tubes are the way to go!
I’m a fan of 1987x too
Thanks for cranking it up once again.
It will feature in a couple of more videos yet. Cheers!
I own both the 67 Super Bass and a 72 Super Lead. Cutting the bright cap on the 72 has made them much more similar sounding. Much more usable too. They are both great amps but the 71 here sounds a lot better when it’s cranked up, after the point where the bright cap doesn’t have an impact anymore.
Both amps sound great! I`ve got a 68 Super Lead myself, and I love to use one input only for pedals. Now do the same thing with a 71 Super bass! Love the content. Norrbaggen
They do sound similar, but the 67 has that magical "sounds dirty and clean at the same time" while having just a bit more clarity all around! Killer🤘🏼
Thanks!
Nailed it. Perfect explanation.
The 67 has a very, very, rare quality to it, a sound you just can't fake.
67 all day, 67 all night long. There silly money now. Guy owned a used guitar amp shop in the Uk for many years, in my home town. He had been buying and selling amps, cabs for many many years. He had the 1967 head, twin stack. It also had JHE sprayed on the gear in white! It was the real deal. Where Hendrix used is anyone's guess. He informed me that he would never sell. :-)
The 67 for rhythm and the 71 for lead work .Although some might prefer the reverse.great work Sir.
Thanks! :-)
I really enjoy your videos, especially the ones where you check out affordable vintage stuff ,give some kind of lessons or busting myths.
I think young people (like me) learn a lot about vintage tone, amps and guitars from you.
Your pre law suit Ibanez guitar videos inspired me to buy a affordable 70s (greco factory) Arbiter SG Custom and it sounds surprisingly good !
Now I am checking out some affordable cool amps from your videos.
Hope you can do more stuff like this :)
Cheers!
A matter of tastes, they're two sons of the same father. Basically the same schematics changing some capacitor and resistor values. Super Bass sounds bigger but Super Lead sounds edgier and killer. Always grateful for your demos, Keep'n'Rrocking Johan
Rock on, Xavi!
Hi, Johan!
I think, with a little tunning 71 can be used, but 67 sounds deeper and much more atmosphere. But 71 its all right.
Have a great weekend!
Zigfrid
You too my friend! Cheers
Two very usable sounds. Difficult to pick which one I like best because they both hit me where I feel it. Amazingly the 71 reminds me of Joe walsh with the James gang...
Glad to hear it Sam, I love Joe Walsh!
Love the way that '67 cab looks, not to mention how great the amp sounds
Yeah, it’s as good as anything gets to me
I had one of these marvelous super bass 100, from 69 I think, so sweat and powerful ! Johan, please try one of these with a guv'nor pedal, just gigantic sounding ! ;) Have a super nice week-end.
Thanks, I will! Have a great weekend man!
They are both in such great condition! Good sounds abound, cheers. :)
From what I can hear, this would be spot on if you had access to a 71 super bass. Another great clip Johan!
Thanks!
The sound difference is night and day, or rather Jimi and Jimmy! ;)
;-) Cheers
I prefer the Super Lead's mids. Hendrix would get more mids with a Fuzzface and/or wah pedal. Today you have a vast array of pedals to get whatever you want.
Jimmy Page had a Super Bass head and Jimi used a Super Lead. This vid really shows the difference
@@bassplayer8815 I'm pretty sure it's vice versa. Page has been using a KT88 modded Super Lead since about '72.
@@Pandamasque nope, that's what I thought until I went to MET museum in NY where I discovered that he used a Super Bass. It makes sense because of the amount of headroom u can hear from him live ever since 1972
Obviously the amp itself is a large consideration here given the differences in the circuitry, but another considerable factor of the tone of those old pre-'68 stacks is the pinstripe grill cloth on the cabs. It has thin gray rubber strips closely woven into black fabric, which filters out tons of lows and highs and leaves you with a very vocal and smooth midrange. I installed the EC Collins Bluesbreaker-Pinstripe cloth (the only EXACT reproduction of original pinstripe available today) on my 1960TV cab and the tone was totally transformed. Even though I have the stock modern 25w greenbacks in there most of the harsh highs that the Chinese Celestions are typically known for when compared to vintage speakers have been almost completely tamed and smoothed out thanks to the change of the cloth. Very different tonal response to the stuff Marshall is installing on their cabs today and calling it "pinstripe", even though it's _nothing_ like true pinstripe, and also very different from basketweave.
Two stunning amps ...the 67 more musical with that sweet low end...great stuff
the super bass 1967 is mind blowing
Beautiful demo. For me, it's the '71. It's got a snarl to it. I play through a similar top. But I've snipped the bright cap for now. I run it on the verge of breakup with a Strat for my clean. I have two different fuzzes for dirty rhythm and lead. Fun stuff!
Both sound great bud, but that '67 takes it... Very nice! Thanks Johan
Thanks!
I had a feeling you might follow up on the previous demo and replicate tones! Well done as always you achieved that mission and replicated Sonic Bliss!
Have a great weekend, Be Well Johan!
Have a great weekend brother!
1967 Marshall was perfect. What was it about those Amps built that year? The 1971 was good too. Awesome playing as usual. Your riffs are iconic
Very similar to my ears! Both sound awesome! The Super Bass has moments where it is different, but it's hard for me to describe in tone terms. Makes me want a strat but I'm happy with my tele haha! I just need to keep repeating that :) Happy Friday Johan!
Thanks Andy, have a great weekend! :-)
I love my Tele! I love my Tele! I love my tele! Repeat after me. I love my tele!
gOSHDAMMIT. That 67 puts me back to Hendrix recordings...its right there, except you can touch it.
He used Super Lead a lot in 69-70 tours. It's not about the amp at all. I was shocked when I discovered that he used SoundCity amps on Axis album and lots of VOX AC30s and Fender amps on Electric Ladyland. It's more than just an amp.. His recordings and Live shows are two completely different worlds..
You have definitely ruined me Johan. I don’t think anything will ever satisfy me now until I get the 67 Superbass. Both sound great but..... the 67 has a richness and fullness that you described. I am now in love. So good.
Hahaha, sorry about that my friend
Both are amazing.
I was watching this while eating my lunch and when not watching the screen, thought the 71 sounded like Page, and the 67 sounded like Hendrix.
Glad to hear it! Cheers
Johan. Maybe one day you can compare the modern Marshall Hand wired models against something like this 1967 Marshall SB, We have the 2005 40th anniversary JTM 45/100 Marshall 250 units made, We have the 2006 Jimi Hendrix Marshall JTM 45/100..... 600 units made, then of course we have the standard everyday hand wired models the Marshall 1959HW, the Marshall 1974x HW etc..., I'm sure i'm not the only one that would love the hear these amps side by side against their older brothers and sisters.
Both sound awesome! I can't choose...
Thanks Bengan!
That 67 is the nicest sounding amp
Ive a 71 superbass which I love but it doesn't sound as warm or has as much vibe
I suppose the cab on yours helps aswell
Love love your videos
Thanks Keith, I’m glad to hear that!
I wasnt know the diference, the 67 sounds super!
Thanks!
Need to do a blind,sound comparison! Dont tell us which is which ..so honesty will abound! Thank you for showing such orgasmic sounding lusciousness....MESMERIZING TO MY BRAIN...LOVE IT
Thanks man, yeah I should really do some blind tests in videos to come. Cheers
Great comparison! I think for me id choose the 71 in a band setting, mainly because i think it would cut through the mix a little better. But that said im in love with the 67s tone!
That’s how I see it too! Thanks!
Have two 1959SLP 100 W reissue's 1993 with no effects loop , with 1960 B-cabs . I Love Them Man . Now love the 67 setup your using sounds like the recordings !
Cheers ;-)
Not sure where you get these amps John Amazing!!!!. i use to have a. Late 60s JT45 i sold in the late 90s to pay the rent not knowing what i had Doh !! I did an acdc tribute and i played it wide open Baffled was an Incredible amp!!! REGRETS!!! . i have a 79 thats pretty cool today Thanks bro You are amazing!!
Bright cap and tone stack values are main diff. Earlier amps shared the cathode res and cap on first tube later were split for bright and normal channel. Some slight mods and both could sound nearly identical.
Super Bass is my favorite amp I think. I bet a 71 super bass would probably sound good enough compared to the 67.
both amazing.
I don't know which is better they all sound pretty great.
They both sounded great, but the 1967 edged it for me.
A few more mid's from the super bass I think work well with the single coils of the strat.
Great if you can afford one, but it will be interesting (when I watch your other video) where you swap the cabs
I liked the '67 for clean sounds - the treble was really glassy and smooth. The '71 had some more midrange and sounded really good when cranked.
Thanks!
71 is Angus gnarly tone! Love them both
Thanks, glad yo gear that!
Really depends what is the goal - for Hendrix tones the '71 doesn't cut it at all, while the '67 has got it in spades. For an overall great clear tone with upper range bite the '71 sounds awesome!
Gotta keep in mind that most of those recorded 70s rock tones were actually metal panels.
Sweet sounds. As usual seeing your amp settings would be beneficial
Both sound great. Listening through headphones, they´re not terribly difficult to differentiate between, but in the grand scheme of things, they sound pretty similar. The major difference (to my ears) is that the Super Bass is slightly darker, which tends to work nicely with a single-coil equipped strat, just to take off a tiny bit of that sharp, jangly top end. Both sound fantastic and I´m looking forward to hear a Les Paul cranked through that Super Bass indeed!
Thanks Ricky!
I’d do the 71 and be quite happy. Great Video.
rythem doubled tracked with both amps hard left and right
Great video Johan I think they both sound great. The 71 is a little brighter and articulate but the 67 has deep overdrive tone.
Thanks Mike!
I’ve always liked 50 watt #1986’s the Best after JTM45’s! I’ve had a few of them! I wish I would have kept my last one.. it was 60 watts clean and 95 wide open, but the tone was amazing...
Cool! Duane Allmans goto
Those riffs are very tasty on that Strat that guitar is a big part of the formula, but it's all good and you Sir. are great!
Yes, in my opinion, the '67 SB is THE greatest Marshall you've played...the '71 is a great amp too, in its own right.. .. but again, in MY opinion, nothing comes close to the '67SB......its just pure magic. Lightning struck in that day, and it shows.. great vid.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
The 67 has some peach fuzz.
Hi Johann, thank you for your videos. Already watched lots of them. I have two question concerning this video: what song do you play on 3:06 ? And what type of reverb are you using here? Is it a Plate or Hall Reverb? Sounds spot on 60s! Cheers
Very cool video Johan! I’m just wondering, have you considered doing some silvertone amps? Some models like the 1485 are really awesome
Thanks, that will come up this spring I hope!
Johan Segeborn great 👍
You should do the test again cranked with a les Paul.
We’ll get there too ;-)
Super Bass for me with the strat, sounds really awesome, they seem to complement each other very well. But with a LP, that's another case... Both are great though.
I heard this 67 half stack went up for sale or was sold,I wish i would have known if it did in fact sell.
If I had deep pockets and was able to choose one to take home, the ‘67 Super Bass would be the one.
Please Johan do the same comparison with a les Paul jr p 90’s can you imagine the the nasty bite of that ? Just love both these amps... there’s not one club with a 50 mile radius I can pull out my 1967 1990 8x10 cabs and mid 70’s mark 2 ... thus I go thru smaller vox ac10’s which are very nice for gigging !!!! Thanks Johan Bill
I’m trying to imagine the lone disliker. It’s tough. Righteous tones as usual my man.
Thanks my friend!
Lone disliker plays a boogie
Amazing. The 67 sounds more open with more headroom?
Oh man, it's a hard call. For MY taste the superbass wins, it just sounds huge, but they're really just totally different tools and I can see how the superlead would be better for playing certain styles. That being said, I wonder how these would stack up against some current amps from guys like Greg Germino? For under $3000 he'll build you one with either the lead or bass circuit.
Thanks! Yeah his amps are great. I demoed the Masonette here earlier
EXACTLY - depends what the song is needing
I really like Both of them.but if I have a Choice I Picked the 71
You should do a video on Wizard amps,they sound better then Marshalls sometimes.
I hope you can test the new Marshall Studio Classic and Vintage amps range and compare them to the real deal
First chance I get, but here in Sweden they cost more than a second hand 80s JCM800, so I don’t really see the business case for them since 800s can be be put up against most Marshall originals with good results.
Yeah they must have struggled with a price point. Just a Touch too expensive. There's a lot of good amps in that price range.
I assume you intend to have a look at the Marshall studio amps when you get the chance?
Hi Johan. Im tinking more and morr about getting a peavey classic 50w 410. I think this amp as of a hidden gem considering the price. If you happen to grab yoir hand on one and comparing it to his fender equivalent that'd be sweet!
Cool, I’ll keep it in mind!
Pretty sure you can make the 71 sound like the 67 with a little bit of eq. The 70's one seems to cover a broader spectrum.
71 has great attack and transients, 67 has smoother transition from initial attack into sustain to my ears
Amazing tone as always! Both are pretty similar sounding, i think blindfolded we wouldn't even notice wich one is wich. However, we can all agree they sound awesome!
Agreed! I think it also comes down to the speaker. I'd take either one, no questions asked!
Thanks Facundo! Yeah they both have the classic Marshall tone for sure
hey johan, can you please do a comparison between the new marshall vintage studio head and your super lead? whenever you can get hold of one ..thanks
Hi! I’ll demo it when one turns up, but it’s priced higher than second hand JCM800 here in Sweden which seems odd to me.
The answer is YES, but I'll have one of each!
Hahaha! Å
Hello Johan! Would you consider comparing using two 112 cabs agains one 212, and then maybe two 212 against one 412 and so on? Same amount of speakers but not the same amount of cabs. That would be interesting, since I am considering buying another Orange PPC 112, or sell the one I have and get one 212. Cheers from Huvudstaden!
Hi Simon, check this one out:
ruclips.net/video/YrHiU72i2UY/видео.html
That sounds so sweet
Thanks Ron!
Johan, do you have a video about the new Marshall 20w Amps coming anytime soon? Thanks for awesome Plexigasms!
Thanks Mikko! Not yet, but since they cost more than used JCM800s here in Sweden, I struggle to see the business case
@@JohanSegeborn Very understandable! You are the one Marshall should have contacted for sure to make some demos.
Ah, they both sound sweet, but actually more different than I imagined. Could you do a similar A/B with swapped cabs? That’d be really interesting.
Thanks, I’ll keep it in mind
What are the settings on each?
Great sound either one! Good demo.
Thanks, it’s basically all knobs on 5, whith less treble and Prescence on the 71
'67 compresses a bit more, '71 sounds a bit more scooped, which brings out the bass and treble more. Best would be to combine them. :P
What's the stack height of the PT btw? Great '67 tone, running EL34's?
Apple's to Apple's johan,happy friday!
Happy Friday Shawn, we’ll get to apples to apples too.
There both awesome sounding amps
wow sounds soooo great!
Thanks!
Hi Johan, Do you know if the Super Bass chassis is aluminum or steel? (can check with a magnet.) I'm wondering if that's part of the difference, they switched to steel sometime in '67-'68. That chimey "new string" tone is often a trait of aluminum chassis in my experience, but I could be wrong.
When comparing I wondered with an eq pedal, boosting the very lowest eq band would bring some-what closer to that deep tone of the '67 amp.
No I actually tried to add more bass even on the internal EQ on the Super Lead but it led to a more flubby sound
@@JohanSegeborn I had something like 30-40hz narrow band in mind, in an older mxr eq pedal for example. but of-course it would never be the same :)
Nice shirt trick
I have a question Johan. I see you just about always use an attenuator when you play. So are you turned up pretty high on the head controls for the power section, and use the attenuator to keep the level lower so your not splitting your skull? Or is there another reason. Just wondering, because these days, I too ALWAYS play through my Reload, to do exactly what I suggested. I think my heads just dont sound their best unless I have the power section pushing around 80%, maybe slightly higher on my Marshalls and Hiwatts, but un-attenuated, it just doesnt sound very good, mostly because my ears just dont like head splitting volume in a 14'x14' room....
Hi, I only use the attenuator (-4 to -8 dB) when I play a 100 Watter through a single cab to avoid blowing speakers or when when I play in the apartment. Cheers
Hi Johan, 71’ SL has G12M25 or G12H30??
like the 71’ best! Thanks
Just go with a split cathode in either amp; .68uf/2.7k lead channel, 250uf/820hm normal channel. Fender and Marshall values but with those heroic and detailed British EL34 power tubes
I’d actually go with the 71! Great playing as always! Also, what’s the mic on the amp?
Thanks A.D. That’s an ADK Hamburg edition actually.
Johan Segeborn Cheers man
Could you do a video where you swap the cabs? See what kind of a difference that makes?
Its here!!
Whats the blue box on top. Sorry if I should know.
Can you tell us all the models and years that are plexis, and do any plexis have a master volume at all? These Hendrix sounding amps are my favorite, I just have to have a master volume, so I can actually play it, and not go deaf or something terrible, like that. I really want to get one something like this, I just need to know which would be the most affordable one with a master volume.