pro Rocket League players just cheated in RLCS...
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pro Rocket League players just cheated in RLCS... what should their punishment be?
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"oh they're region hoppers? fuck em, ban em" LOL
What does region hoppers mean?
it's like.... If you are an American and not good enough to be an American olympic athlete and make the team... some people go to other smaller countries and compete under some other flag.
Or if you are not the best in a men sport identify as a woman and rule their competition 😛
LMAO not expecting the switch up. “Not even illegal but cringe, ban em”
@@chucksano thank you!
"Hey guys, when we throw, what rank should we emulate?"
"Champ? "
" Naw bro, let's go plat"
" Bet"
This wasn't even plat in some plays 😂
Looked like Diamond 2.
the only thing plat about some of these attempts was the boost button being taped down, the rest of it was low silver
@@brekkoh we got the plat princess over here
@brekkoh you're right plat players would have 3 committing to the ball and bumping each other off of dribbles 😅😂
The way I just sat down with food, started searching for a video, and THAT is how this video starts. 😂😂😂
i bet the youtube munch was divine
literally same 💀
It’s called being a dopamine addict. We all are 💀😭
Same! This was my opener, then you look for a short video once you finished your food. 😂
same here
Bro switched up fast at the end😂😂
SSG needs to take notes. The format clearly benefits losing from time to time
Honestly bro. They win all through every Swiss only losing to geng and g2 through every swiss, then og once. And only lost to geng in every quarter final and they somehow don't make the major. 3rd best team im NA and they have to sit out. This system is garbage
@@bcgamer3380gotta beat the best if you wanna be the best lil bro
@@bcgamer3380 not really. if you look at the swiss stages, you can see how incredibly unlikely they were to match against geng all 3 times. The one qualifier they got 7th, genG beats g2 and is 2nd place to face ssg, no matter what bracket you use, you will always have harder schedules than others.
@@Travixty If they didn't have to play against geng that time they would've played g2. Its set up the 3rd and 4th best teams to have the hardest schedule.
I have watched a bowl of cereal turn into soggy mush because I couldn’t find a good enough video
I think what Johnny said puts it into perspective: Their messing with the results by not playing their best messes with the careers of other players, so you can say a year ban is harsh, but they could screw other teams just as much and then set an inconsistent precedent where teams who have done this before and gotten the harsh punishment would be mad that these guys get off easy.
How about the people that organize the events actually do their jobs and not allow some kids to manipulate their tournament?
@@kingsfan2099 You mean something like kicking out and banning the people trying to manipulate the tournament?
@adrianshrubowich6144 if that's how you read it then maybe you're the one setting up the tournaments.
@@kingsfan2099 how would they prevent the manipulation?
Give direct examples.
@cousinpatsey2471 I play rocket league for fun. I have other hobbies I play competitively. Use any professional sports leagues as examples on balanced schedules and tournaments intended to find the best team. It's ok to make money but sacrificing specter of legitimacy is a sign of competitive death. See MASCAR and their constant intrusion into the sports rules and yellow flag phenomenon.
Sizzs clip from when he got banned from coaching was fucking hilarious. 😂😂
In all fairness there should not be a system that if you win all your games you don’t make it but if you lose strategically and then win you make the finals. It’s a flawed system to begin with. Everyone’s goal is to make the finals. You can’t fault them for doing the only thing possible to try and make it. That’s crazy. Especially if they could have won out and not made it. That’s the definition of stupid.
that's the thing that irritates me the most and nobody mentions it
HAD THEY BEEN BETTER THAN LIMITLESS IN BOTH PREVIOUS REGIONALS, they would've made it
limitless had beat them fair and square for 2 regionals thus earning more points, they deserved to get the spot more that YMC.
if you wanna go major then git gud, those guys tried to cheat the system because they were'nt good enough in the first 2 regionals. there is a reason it takes 3 regionals to decide who goes to major.
had they won even 1 regional final against limitless they wouldn't have been in this situation
This is a very good case of fuck around and find out
they had already lost the moment they gave 2 first places to limitless and tried to cheat to deny them their ticket to copenhagen
The system is perfect, what we've seen here is not a flaw because you are to respect the rules.
@@metalsky4140exactly - it’s not as if they took all their chances and this was the only way things worked out. 1 team makes major, 1 team won both events, and that team had an advantage going in, like they should. It is not the formats fault that YMC didn’t control their own destiny
@metalsky4140 i would say what they did was in the spirit on winning, and what you and they rest want them to do, is in the spirit of loosing. you want them to win to loose, and they found a way to loose to win. ya all are salty the system sucks as bad as the game.
@@dragosthule It has nothing to do with what I WANT, I EXPECT them to win to lose, they had already lost as per the rules
they didn't lose to win, they cheated to win
@@metalsky4140The fact that this has sparked some controversy, particularly the harshness of the ban, tells me that this system isn't as "perfect" as you believe it to be.
Not tryna hate on what you said or anything, just making a point of contention against your statement the system being perfect.
Another thing to point out, if they lost twice already to Limiless, why do they then have ANOTHER 3rd chance to not inly win, but take their spot in the majors? That in of itself proves an imperfect system.
And none of this includes region hopping, which literally means they are inserting themselves into another (less competitive) group, taking away opportunities from those regions teams as well.
Tbh, they need to just do away with the regions, and have like a "pro" league of like 20 teams, and a "minor" league where best teams during that season get a shot at being in the pro league. (Pretty much how regions are now, but expand everything to be 1 big region). 99% of these games are played remotely anyways.
This is the video I'm eating too lmao
Eating while watching this. You are off to a banger start
This points more fingers at the way the seasons are organized than the players.
Maybe RLCS should consider how they run their seasons.
Bro the video while eating is true, for me its even deeper, its not just a video, it must be a show and not just some RUclips vids XD
I make dumb decisions but even i wouldn't rotate like that 😂😂
I love this style of videos
the ending LMFAO
I have never had a complete roller coaster of emotions hearing things, Then I head Airids takes. Brudda came back to us at the end 😂
literally took me 10 minutes to find a good video idc how cold my food gets
rizzo sitting in a white padded room rn 😭
Well this is what I decided to watch while eating 😂
"Young Money Clan"- weird, doesn't sound like a group that would cheat to get ahead.
exactly what i thought hahah
Biting into my chicken sandwich as lil bro is talking about needing a video to eat. 😅🤝
Putting himself in the thumbnail😂 what a troll
You have to eat with a video? Dog I'm watching this while eating on my lunch break 😭
the second clip is hysterical🤣🤣
that’s wild tbh
This video is literally the video i put on for my dinner lol
Funniest thing is as the video started I was eating food and burst out laughing because of the start
He said doing 360s... And I was instantly like... Oh God has he played me
many times my food went cold so now i find a video before I eat.
Hahaha noooo!! The watching a video or something before I take a bite of food is such a real thing and I'm confirmed ADD/ADHD, brain scanned and everything. Gotta be doing something while I'm busy... doing something else 😂
I just started eating as I turned this video on. I feel attacked.
0:20 I FEEL THIS
I think it really is the fact that it’s a smaller region. In NA top 8 say GenG was in YMCs position with G2 in Limitless. NA is competitive enough where it doesn’t HAVE to be GenG playing G2 in quarterfinals. There are several other good teams in the region that could play G2 as competitively as GenG could. I think that the smaller regions need a different format until they actually have a significant amount of teams in top 16 that are all within the same skill range.
So you make a system where you can strategize wins and losses, then punish that...? Honestly more impressive they can pick and choose when to win or lose imo.
literally watchin g this bc im eating
This happens all the time in magic tournaments. People look at splits and manipulate to their advantage or watch their breakers to see if they drop out of the tournament because of bad breakers.
Pulling this video up while I eat pizza and I feel called out
The fact that the placements could so easily be manipulated seems like a bad system.
Lmao I am the exact same with my food if I'm alone.
The irony in this being my video... yum, yum...
me watching this about to eat lunch at work
The demoing with the merc is brutal
as someone who has adhd i can also sit for hours and watch movies it rlly depends on how much stimulated you are if you are under stimulated youll become fidgety and find ways to stimulate yourself but theres also smthn called hyper focusing where you can do something all day and forget to do basic things like eat i spent all day the other day researching spaceships because i saw something cool lol
That limitless tweet ☠☠☠☠
the goal when they did a 360 over the ball when they were there. Clownin'
What an ending 😆
0:14 no way you say that as I finally take the next bite of the food I've been working on that I hadn't finished sooner because I needed something to watch 😂
0:22 is very relatable
I watched this video whilst eating, be honored
We got match fixing in RL before GTA VI
Joins Discord, gives balanced and nuanced take, hears they are region hoppers, agrees they should be banned. 😂
My food’s been sitting on my lap this entire video 😔
0:25 me just opened this vid to watch while eatin
I haven't played rocket league in years but this video was gold. Interesting situation that almost is like playing on hard mode not knowing if you have to win or lose to snipe another team. Then this dude comes on out of the blue and puts up some solid points and ends on a banger. The one thing I don't know if it was applicable but also potentially creates an issue with throwing is that there could be another team that also needs a weird scenario to play out and it didn't because these guys threw. But also, you should have just won all the matches and you could have avoided that.
Imho at the end of the day it comes down to poor sportsmanship. This is RLCS, they should be representing not only the best in skill, but the best in sportsmanship, the ones that can handle the biggest Ls with loads of people watching and not be whiny crybabies about it.
everything you said in the first minute was SOOO TRUUEEEE!!!
They shouldn't be banned if they decided this strategy was the best way to make it out of their region. It's a competitively viable strategy in the long run. If they threw to help another team at their own expense that's obviously a ban. If this was the only viable way for them to make it, then it's a poor format.
9:29 this is a good take but only ban if they lose vs Limitless. It would be hard to determine the intent based on a single outcome. If YMC made it out of the region, then they clearly had the will to win. Forcing people to compete is very cringe.
12:12 exactly
13:00 being bad at "cheating" shows integrity...compared to desperately trying to hide it.
they should own up to throwing and make the case that there was no point in trying if they wouldn't be allowed to play in the major.
You can only make majors by losing... But don't you dare lose!
Was it not that they were trying to throw to match with limitless so they could get them out in the place they needed them to be out. If so your hope would be to hope the team they’re going against wins instead of trying to place against them intentionally.
this feels a lot like walking a batter in baseball to face the next one, should be fine, its your tournament.
They need the grand priest at RLCS events. Any fighter who holds back, will be... eliminated.
i never thought about this before. who are those "investigators"?
cuz when i picture an investigator, i picture someone that went through school and stuff to know how and what to look for.
im pretty sure theres not a school for these kinds of investigators, so who or what are they? just normal people randomly picked? how does that work?
I’m watching this while eating
Since they needed to eliminate Limitless to have a chance to move on. Couldn’t you argue throwing to get to that match was the most competitively viable option?
Rizzo is the best.
Rizzo is forgetting about the deleted tweet from Reeho! That he stated Yay we made the major! 😂
Before all the drama and when Johnny called them out he deleted it…
From the perspective of an organizer who financially justifies putting on a tournament via broadcasting, I understand banning throwing. It's bad for viewers and therefore bad for advertisers like you said. So I do understand why it's in the rulebook. However, in a purely strategic and ethical vacuum, if a team is able to position themselves within the format to where a loss is advantageous then they should be allowed to just forfeit the game outright. Don't even force them to play and put on a show. It's not bad sportsmanship to make the decision which is most advantageous for your team. I think it's important also to keep in mind that it's not like throwing games is some hack or cheat for bad teams to suddenly win when they don't have the skill to do so. In order to be in a position where throwing is advantageous, you necessarily have to have a strong record in the tournament to begin with.
There are situations in basketball where missing a free throw at the end of the game to try to get 2 or 3 points instead is the only way to win while making the free throw ensures you lose. Making the free throw in that case is actually a throw.
The format causes a conflict of interests and smart teams would likely do the same in the future while being less obvious. Which may be good enough for viewers.
Imo that’s a reflection of the bracket/comp system, why do they need to think that way at all ya get me
If people CHEAT A BAN IS A GOOD THING they KNEW what they were doing. Fuck around and find out basically. 😂😂
The format allows it and will continue to happen with the format. Its literally the game. If the creators wanted to truly know the best team then the seasons wouldnt be formatted how they are.
The tournaments are there to make money and the best players will use the system to give themselves the best path.
I don’t think I’ve heard this take but “did the format make YMC lose 8-1 to limitless in the first two regionals?” You can’t blame the rules for that
Oh man the hilarious part is that I was like.
No, no no no no. It's not throwing. (Rahhh rahhhh, rahhh)
Then I watched more and more and it I guess became more conclusive at some point.
😭😭😭But I have fuckin exact replicas of those rotations, heat seeking missle on accidental boost rotate and turning ball cam off in hundreds of my replays from me.
I can not deal with this truth. It is horrible to know xD.
I guess when I'm trying my best I'm throwing, which. 😅.... sigh
why diddnt they also ban the limitless team ? If they were throwing to boost them its normal for the boosters and the people their boosting to get banned aswell??
He does have ADHD
Fr. Bros gonna need Subway Surfer videos in view if he tries to eat with someone lol
I haven't seen it happen, but will players ever face a ban for upholding Rule 1? I certainly hope not, but it could definitely be argued that staying in a rule 1 isn't playing to the best of your abilities.
The format is teams get to pick their opposition. 1-8 picks from 9-16 in order based on seeding.
The things you said like watching tv with food and not getting through 30 min show has nothing to do with Adhd with them kindve examples you just got Brain Rot lol
this was the video i played so i could take a bite.
Or just beat limitless one of the two previous times you ran into them in grand finals. Also, johnny brought up a sick format for a bracket.
If it's their only chance to make it through the bracket then they are playing at full capacity.
11:08 Airid's defense is terrible, lmao.. they absolutely deserved the 1 year ban. Yes, it affects their entire life and that's the punishment they get for knowingly breaking the rules. They should have thought about that before breaking the rules.. especially after plenty of people have had 1 year bans, including Zen & other pros, for breaking other rules in the past.
Maybe Airid's defense isn't very strong against this specific case because what YMC did was pretty bad. But I think he has a point that there should be different punishment when different rules are broken. And this is only one of the many flaws in the way Epic is hosting the Esports. Epic is not only actively killing RL esports in several ways (prize money, sponsorships, barely updating the game), introducing a flawed format that allows and even invites match throwing/bracket manipulation (imagine if a team manages to do this convincingly), where the two best teams can eliminate the other in the quarterfinals. But then they can also ban players for effectively 2 years, for a small rule break (not saying that YMC is a small break).
@ YMC's actions were messing with other players' careers and livelihood. Why is it not fair that they received a 1-year ban?
@@winthie I didn't say YMC's ban is not fair, or that it should have been lighter. I only said I disagree with Epic for having no guidelines for the severity of punishments on different rule breaks and setting the precedent of punishing everything the same.
in NHL they do that for getting better chance to get first pick.
Easy fix: Get rid of losers brackets. If you lose you should be out. This is why pro sports teams lose games to help better their future picks. It’s essentially what’s happening in RLCS with matchups.
So, the way you explained it, made it seem like the ONLY way they could qualify was if Limitless lost in the QF, and they won whole bracket.
They couldve played the entire tournement legit, faced Limitless in the final, won, and still had Limitless qualify over them, and I can understand how entirely frustrating and unfair that would seem to the players.
What YMC did, was to actually give themselves a shot at qualifying without having to rely on another team beating Limitless, it was actually crazy smart of them to find the specific path needed to be qualified over Limitless, and I do think the format is partially to blame for the entire situation.
Yes, as you said, they couldve just, not thrown the games, but at the same time, if the format was constructed in a better way, they wouldn't of needed to go to these lengths to have a chance to qualify in the first place.
eh, idk.
it's not because of the format, the reason they got banned was for throwing... you can't target your own teammates and go for boost across the field and leave a wide-open net just to lose... if they did the tournament legit then lost, they wouldn't be banned. they made it obvious, and their plan was to throw games to have a better chance at qualifying. epic or whoever was watching them, made a good choice to ban them for throwing because that's exactly what they did, it's not like they played the tournament legit and lost... they purposely threw games to have a better chance at qualifying, don't get me wrong. it's a smart move but you can't throw games just to have a better chance at qualifying, that's " cheating."
"I can understand how entirely frustrating and unfair that would seem to the players."
Stop. This. Nonsense.
Unfair? Unfair that even if they beat Limitless 1 out of 3 times, they still don't make the major? You can't be serious. People seem to forget they had 3 events to use to make the major, not just this last one. The situation they were in going into Q3 was because they weren't good enough to beat Limitless before. What's funny is they thought they might even have a chance of beating them in the quarterfinal this time. Just accept it: these kids hopped to SSA thinking it would be a free pass to the majors/worlds. It wasn't.
If anything, I hope this gets Epic to put the region rules back into place so it makes it much more difficult for teams to hop regions.
Yeah thats something i would do in ranked, they are definitely throwing
atleast its shorter than the ibp cs ban
Watching this while eating a breakfast sandwich
@9:23 You mean like EVERY OTHER PROFESSIONAL SPORT?
“Just a bad rotation” -2024
7:59 - you could say he used his teammate to stop quickly, he gets the next hit on the ball... I think that could be "WHAT A PLAY" if you talked about it correctly.
Actually, if throwing puts you in a better spot for the overall tourney, then "This is Rocket League!". Really, that is the choice of the player. If you are in the NFL, and you need time at the end of the game (because your opponent is running down the clock), you let them in the endzone to get the ball back and have a chance.
That isn't bad to throw, it is a part of the game setup. It is ridiculous you would WANT to do that, but it is the team's prerogative to win or lose.
crazy
oh also somebody was fined tons of money and suspended in league because they accidentally took the wrong starting item lmao
This is the only game this actually is a bad thing. People plan certain points and certain games or else why play if you know you’re not placing? Why play if winning doesn’t place you at a tournament for placing?
0:21 this is me. eating dinner watching your video rn
It's not even about being the best anymore. it's all about the money
I can confidently say Rizzo ABSOLUTELY has ADHD.
--Someone with ADHD
If they didnt throw they basically got punished for winning. Playing to their best technically meant doing exactly what they did, lose to win the game that got them in. Straight up pro gamer move. let me lose 1 or 2 to win big and the one that counts.
Wait they are banned because they tried to qualify?
All the other stuff aside if they have just one path to qualify and they go for it it's kinda dumb to punish them.
there should be a Junior RLCS. (13-17 y/0) Keep the 1 year ban. ends when they turn 18 and then can join the RLCS (18+).
Such reaction. I didn't know so many people are fans of win to loose. They found a way to win and get banned a year for it. And people wonder why rlcs went no where and is going no where.