For the first time in 9 years, there are cheaters in Rocket League...
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For the first time in 7 years, there are cheaters in Rocket League... Rocket League came out in 2015, and it's been nearly impossible to cheat in such a mechanically unique game... until now.
#Rizzo #RocketLeague #cheating
"I'm not a lag switcher, i'm a network influencer"
lmaoooo
I play alot of 1s and recently took a break. I played 20 Games the past 2 days and encountered 4 Lag Switches
Been complaining for like a year or so about lag switches. Its horrible in diamond and plat right now dudes just trolling.
14:20 the reason devs do ban waves is so that the cheat developers don’t know what caused them to get caught, because they were banned at a random time rather than once the devs/anti cheat noticed them cheating
How very PirateSoftware of you! I have no idea if you watch his stuff, but that's what he tells people.
@@eisen161 its a known fact about anticheats...
@@eisen161I’ve seen a few of his shorts, but I think i got the info from a few things I read about game development
ofc minecrafters know the most abt ban waves 😂
Ya this sounds good until you realize that by the time the ban waves come the damage is already done... so repeat that a few times over the games life and all integrity of the game is gone... That's why ban waves work but also don't work...
I saw a dude who was INVISIBLE and was clowning on people like WHAT
how u see him
@@koolaidsalad By not seeing him
@@ryansmock2717 Mr miyagi ahh reply 💀
BRO I HAD THIS LIKE 4 YEARS AGO, HE WAS COMPLETLY INVISIBLE
There was a bug causing this is there a cheat too?
I don't understand why people cheat. Cheating in any type of game, whether it's real life or a video game, gets stale. It's not fun. Being good at a game is so much more rewarding
same reason why people troll in games or make rage bait comments, they do it for their own entertainment
Well, in real life, cheating gets you to the top of society and we can't do alot about it. Tax exceptions for the rich, etc. people keep doing this and being pulled towards wanting to be on the top, and keeps pushing others that work honest and hard down with their cheating.
It's not fun, and it's stale
@@Snow248. in the context you are talking about though I wouldn't consider that stuff cheating, its only cheating if its against the laws of whatever you are doing, whether it be breaking laws in real life, breaking rules in a video game etc.
Most people who DEVELOP cheats for games don't care about playing the game. They care about the security challenge and programming aspect. For this reason, we had, and still have, a community which develop malware and viruses simply for fun. They also write counters to them.
Why do scientists come in and investigate minute details of things? Don't they know that getting lost in the details can rip the fun out? Well, the process of discovering and developing things is a fun endeavor.
Also, @Nolan-Jones touched on another reason we get "cheating" in games. He talks about modding and hacked clients which extend functionality of the client-side things with everything from a mini-map to flying cheats. In certain circumstances, this is allowed. In others, it is unwanted. This isn't a defense of cheating in Rocket League. Simply a quick view into the goals of the people who make cheats. Oh, there's also the monetary side of things.
people don't cheat because they are just bad, take the olympics, very often you can find out people doping in some way in order to gain a bigger advantage compared to their opponents. those are professionals and i doubt "they are just bad"
winning, glory and fame is what makes you want to cheat. seeing your name on the top spot, showing you are the best and noone else can match you, is what gives those people dopamine to cheat. i think the easiest example is minecraft pvp, where nearly everybody in the top spot does actually cheat, either by autoclicking, or using some other modifications.
why doesn't it get stopped? cuz it's a sandbox, and noone that will cheat will even use a client-side anticheat just to pvp, and server-side anticheats, while they can be very effective, you'll eventually hit a barrier block where you can't detect anything more as it replicates so well the human behavior, and eventually we'll see the same even on all these kind of games, even on rocket league
the fact these cheaters have the dedication to grind all the way up to 1700 MMR is so insane to me like why would you spend so much time grinding and waiting for matches winning +1 MMR per match
Idk if the MMR is calculated the way it was a few years ago, but winning consecutive games (starting with 3 in a row if I remember right), the MMR earned gets a bonus multiplier added to it, that ends at 10 inna row (not 100% if it is capped 10 tho). I also think there is a negative bonus for losing consecutively as well.
This way, you dont have GC players sitting in Diamond for like 30 games. Once you hit your current skill ceiling (winning one, losing one) your earned MMR starts to avg around a +/- 8 per game (assuming your opponents MMR is similar to yours).
Which is how that account Rizzo showed got like +900 MMR in less than a day. Highly doubt the dude won like what? 900/8 = 112ish games in one day lol.
@@tBeNz0i don’t think there’s a bonus anymore cuz me and my friends went on a 16 game win streak in 3s yesterday and i was only gaining 10mmr a game
you gain roughly 9.5 mmr in mid to high ranked games each win, not 1
@@ScoldierRL well i was talking about 1700 MMR in 1's, where you wait 20 minutes for a match and play a lot against players that are around 1400 - 1500 and therefor win little to no MMR
They dont grind before cheating, that's just how bad their anti-cheat is.
Take notes Epic. Next years April Fools we better all be invisible cars in casual.
"Three wheeled cars, take it or leave it!" - Epic probably.
@@0AThijs wdym epic wouldnt do anything
banwaves are also a way to tackle people who are selling bots/scripts, i.e., 100 people buy a script for $100 each, then a banwave hits and maybe 50 of them bought it recently enough for their banks or transaction handlers to allow for a refund request, causing the owner of the script to possibly go into debt
I'm fairly certain violating rocket league tos is not grounds to request a refund from a third party from your bank. The behavior is scummy but it isn't illegal and the purchaser wasn't deceived.
Thats not the intention behind ban waves. It also stops exploiters from discovering what portion of their script that was caught, which makes it more difficult for them to patch. Many sales like this ask for forms of payment that aren't refundable, for example debit card purchases or Cashapp etc etc.
@@Flame-zn7jp its both, technically. the idea behind waves is getting enough cheat buyers all at the same time so theres more people complaining / getting refunds from the cheat devs saying their product doesnt work or got them banned, etc etc, to actually hurt the devs or at least cause enough dissent to maybe stop a few from buying.
@@jayyy5270 You're thinking about the legal sense of requesting a refund. However the cheat provider isn't going to enter months long legal battle to fight that they should keep the money against 10+ people. If you make a purchase from somebody that doesn't have legal representation, your bank is most likely going to allow that refund to go through as there will be nobody counter claiming the refund. If this wasn't the case, when somebodies card gets stolen and used to purchase $1,000 of goods, how would you possibly refund that money?
TLDR: Banks only deny refunds if whoever you purchase a service/product for sends a sufficient counter claim.
@@JustAPriapism no, the only idea behind a banwave is to make the producers of cheats less likely to identity what part of their code got caught/ what got them caught. Dissent in the ranks is solely a bonus not its intent
12:07 cheater hasn't even activated windows lmao
he is probably using a virtual machine with an unpaid version of windows to avoid hardware bans.
@@ztek_3this VM and private vpn I bet, he doesnt want his main to be banned thats prob ssl.
The issue is they have old IPs when he first played before cheating so his main might still get wiped lmao.
@@ztek_3 makes sense 👍
@@ztek_3 People go huge lengths to get a high rank in a video game...
@@KirbyRL but if use a vpn before even downloading the game on a VM there is no way the would caught him
It’s actually getting scary for every game with the amount of cheaters I feel like it’s just growing and growing in every game
HOW DO U EVEN CHEAT IN RL
Getting the upper hand against your opponent via cheating
Infinity jumps. Invisibility Hack, ball prediction, let a bot Play for you and respawn Hack (Example: you can respawn in Ur Goal whenn youre Out of boost)
Well my friend, if you watch the video ....
what kinda question is this
Bots or using AI.
All great things must come to an end, cheaters find a way into anything!😔
Idk why people cheat in rocket league tbh. It took them 8 years to invent cheats for the game. At that point you gotta think maybe you would get better if ya just played the game the way its intended
@@enigma5195people just do it to troll / grief. I’m sure everyone who has a Smurf account would also cheat if it was as accessible.
It’s crazy, I just ran into 3 or 4 lag switchers in the 20-30 games I played today. It’s very apparent when you and your teammate/teammates have 200+ ping or disconnect but the opponents ping only goes up 20-30. It’s a very real thing
its high ping for u and teammate the whole game? u prolly got auto que region on and getting put into diff region games lmao
@@scorpion0498 No man, he is right. It happened a few times to me too on EU servers. Everytime I join a match, I check my teammates ping to see if somebody has a bad connection so I know what to expect from their play. Game starts all right with everybody around 30-40 ping so everybody should be queueing from EU. We smash the opponents for half of the game then suddenly we are the only ones lagging as hell. It was really strange since the opponents are not affected in any way. Sometimes we manage to score even with lag and the opponents immediately leave the game. Its a real thing
what mmr r u in
@@m0zzar353 I m going back and forth in Diamond. I think around 850 or smth
@@seuzirein diamond it’s kinda strange, but I’ve seen it in gc1 and some champs game too
Idk whats going on recently but most games are having big cheating issues its weird
Could be a multitude of reasons IMO. Heads up this is all pure speculation:
Layoffs in tech after the Covid bubble are huge, anti-cheat teams could be getting downsized in some places.
You also have a huge influx of unemployed programmers looking for work. Some percentage of them surely end up developing and selling cheats for a living while work is hard to come by. From what I've heard, cheat development is actually really easy. I'd imagine especially for people in the industry.
Cheat technology is always ahead of anti-cheat technology just by the nature of the anti-cheat side having to react to advancements in the technology. Surely advancements in AI is going to have an impact on both the cheating and anti-cheating sides as well. Again, those advancements will always happen on the cheating side first sadly.
It’s probably just the explosion of AI learning
There evolving with AI
what rank are you? I don't see any cheats normally. I play around GC1
@@enigma5195 fps games.... RL isnt gonna have alot of cheaters, its just not the game to get the ego rush from that cheaters desire. FPS games, specifically the finals is absolutely going through it.
Tyreese is known tbf. He was known for faking clips on tiktok with Tas and passing it off as real. He's the guy who worked to get TAS into the game before Rocket Sledge, the one you couldn't tell was Tas. (He's not the one who programmed it though)
Bro thinks he is cool too
Kid is an actual donkey
Im genuinely surprised at how much of rocket league players are delulu like that@@PandaFan2443
tyreese doesn’t have tas ingame. And in the video it’s not about tas ingame
lmaooo i was about to comment this, he still streams on tiktok bragging about being ssl, i’m honestly not surprised it’s him doing this shit
"i genuinely believe that if i hit rank 1 epic won't ban my account" but here i am banned for casually chatting rofl
Yeah I got a ban for saying gg lol 😂 there might have been other letters involved
@@SquinchyMoopins same here lmao may have said it more then once but i get unbanned on the 10th trying to grind to gc i am c2 rn
@@SquinchyMoopins💀
8:36 is just so dang funny to me hahaha
I am an IT professional and have been encountering this myself. I don't understand how it works since RL uses dedicated servers, but it does seem to be a form of lag switching. peer to peer games suffer from this a lot, but with dedicated servers it's not supposed to be possible. I assume it's the same process as lag switching but likely with an additional step that must be done when logging into the game. the only conclusion I can make is that they found a weird way to connect to the RL servers to "trick" the server into thinking the victim is the one lagging and not the actual lag switch user. I wouldn't be surprised if the additional unknown step has something to do with what region they select to play in as well. either way, it's an issue on the server side that needs to be found and patched in order to stop this exploit. I am assuming that Epic knows what it is, but implementing a patch for it must be easier said than done. this would explain why they have been silent on the matter, admitting to a known live exploit that impacts their servers would hurt stock prices.
You gotta have like the smallest ego possible to cheat AND flaunt it like you're better than everyone, meanwhile we're all just laughing at them for being pathetic
and they're laughing because they're trolling and getting a reaction, noone really loses
why is bro in prison
I’ve had this happen to me sooo many times especially in tournaments it’s so annoying how people have to ruin and destroy everything.
never thought i'd see this day but it's here 😔😭
I'm waiting for cheaters to be able to use mods like heatseeker in competitive lol
2:31 dark : why the background is a prison cell bro?
LMFAO I JUST REALIZED THE BG BECAUSE THAT MESSAGE 🤣
A lobby full of invisible players in ranked would be hilarious.
I was on the team with the guy from the original invisibility video, the video was iconic here in OCE. Very weird to see it show up here haha
this is crazy this is coming up because I recently ran into this, I basically have an entire game footage of a guy i played against that was invisible only for me
Only way to tell if epic games even remembers they own rocket league is if they ban this guy
Rocket leagues player base is already toxic enough
In the video that Johnnyboi posted, I put into the comments, a tiktok they mentioned in chat, and that tiktok has a ton of TAS freestyle shots, and looks like insane clips on players but are clearly TAS. It's been going on for months, I can't believe you guys are finally noticing it. I noticed this stuff like 6 months ago or so. But since it was TAS I always assumed it wasn't on live servers, was just video editing, but apparently they are in live now. So maybe it being on live is the new part?
he said he doesnt have tas ingame, in the stream where he got asked the questions shown in the video, about 10 minutes before de discord call, the cheater said theres no way of using tas ingame. he got asked about the robotic movement, and he simply said he was good (which is true)
Remember when ppl used to say a lag switch was a literal light switch connected to ur computer LOL
I like how he casually says "you want me to get into it" as if he didnt have like 40 tabs of evidence/background open already
The next lmtd mode will be invisible cars lol
There’s this guy on YT I’ve just started seeing clips from. His name is ‘Devas’. Look him up. He legit posts himself cheating with infinite boost, infinite double jumps, ball trajectory tracking, all of it.
Would love this as a new rumble power up
A couple days ago we ran into this guy who had perfect flicks. They looked bot like, how powerful and perfectly timed they were (this was either champ2 or 3). But he was going for aerials and stuff too, but he could not hit the ball in the air. Didn't know if it was an actual player, or maybe someone using an activatable flick script or something lol. It was weird.
Probably Nexto being triggered on/off. The guy is an idiot though, you're suppose to avoid doing the perfect dribble flicks and let it do everything else for you.
Or they just let nexto go without triggering it; it will go for aerials and miss almost every time because of slight lag/delay. Its impossible for most people to hold a stable 120 FPS and without a stable 120 FPS the bot doesnt work.
playing since 2016 and the only time I saw invis cars myself was the day of the patch day of that first sports car was added where people who hadn't updated couldn't see the new car
to answer your questions on the bots, the nexto bot that surfaced in ranked late 2022/2023 was a modified version called "Thoramirl" which yes anyone can still use however its a guaranteed ban plus with the rise in skill level the bot struggles to get gc now compared to back then when they could get to the top of the leader board. most unknown players at the top just wintrade or ddos
My comment is a bit of a tangent from the topic, but I felt it fit nicely.
This takes me back to a ones match where the opp was convinced I was cheating. Not any of the cheats listed in the video, but an infinite boost cheat.
The replay could prove him wrong, but being probably 12, they reported me on impulse.
I wasn’t banned because I don’t cheat, but I found the situation emblematic of how people will often seek an injustice against them instead of looking inward to see where they could improve themselves.
It’s like a strange cognitive dissonance, “I never lose unless it’s against a cheater,” type mentality.
They have ball predictions, auto speed flip kick off, auto demo, arial assist, timers for boost pads, they have multiple things you can use in rocket league as a hack
this actually happens to me when i play public private matches sometimes there’s 5 ppl on 1 team and u can’t see the extra player there invisible it’s a bug but it’s possible to cheat with it too
For the first time in 9 years, I havent turned on the game for more than 5 months. Even tho I only paid about 20-30€ over the item shop in these 9 years of daily playing, its annoying having to boycot greedy companies. 💀
I'm playing confirmed bots for the last 2 months. In champ 1s. zero defence , perfect dribble and flicks, no replay skip, and no quick chat.
Swear I had just played that DayQuil addict guy before this stuff happened. I remember thinking, “that’s an interesting name”
There are cheaters at every level. It's constant and pathetic. Lag Switching is happening in almost every match, especially the tournaments. It's not to disconnect, but to cause the other team to be unable to play the ball. Everything will be fine, then suddenly their ping shoots thru the roof and your team is unable to hit the ball properly. There is also hitbox altering and more. When the maker of the game allows mods it creates a culture of cheating.
Yall know rizzo hurting bc he didn’t get a farewell like squishy got 😂
There’s a “Goalkeeper Bot” In Champ right now that i’ve ran into over 10 times now. Literally just sits in net and makes insane saves. You can’t even demo the thing it’s so insane. The movement and stuff makes it so obvious it’s a bot.
It’s literally a major issue almost every single loss I got was bc of cheaters. And I have cross play off to play with kids my age and still I’m running into mouse and keyboard against me.
i guess the lower ranked players are in the best position tbh, it makes sense for cheaters to try and climb to the top of the leaderboard and try to make sure that real pros can’t reach the best rank.
Hey Rizzo I actually came in contact with this guy on one of his alt discord accounts in the Rocket League discord server. When I was talking to him he said he actually ranks these accounts to SSL and gets the SSL tag then sells them for a decent lump sum of money to players that want them.
paying to get SSL 😭
@@SolarPhantom That’s what I thought but I guess its a hustle lmao
@@plattypus. people be doing anything to make money without thier hardwork
@@plattypus.what's his discord?
The mario strikers music goes hard
I feel so bad, I was the person who suggested to bakkes to program the ability to go invisible in the first place, I wanted to try to not think at all about my car and just have it as a mental model. Seeing it be turned into a cheater tool makes me feel awful, maybe none of this would have happened if I hadn't suggested it
2:05 This still happens I can confirm, I have the best internet connection I could possibly get. Still got lagged out of at least 3 games. each of those I started off at 30 ping and after being 2 goals up about 2 minutes in DC'd at 900+ ping.
They should make a game mode out of it and call it invisaball 😂
Lmao, the last sentence, guess next years april first is gonna be the game mode "Now you see me"
Epic games is the only thing that ends up lag switching me. I get into the newest servers and have 1-3 seconds of full frame loss style lag, coupled with ping spikes about 100 ping extra from what I usually play with. And it isn't just me getting these either. Friends who play on all different regional servers, with fiber or other forms of super good internet ALSO experience hitch-like lag stutters that come from ping issues. Epic Games is the real reason the servers blow chunks. And, it always ends up being: the longer I play, the worse the lag spikes get.
this video is unironically hilarious
this isn’t the first instance in rocket league history of cheating btw, there has been a bug with bakkesmod on Epic Games where you can bypass something that allows you to use any bakkesmod feature or plug-in that you have installed. this does include invisible cars, infinite flips, infinite boost, spawning the ball right infront of you, aimbot and anti-aimbot, literally any bakkesmod feature. from what i’ve seen no one has leaked the method yet thankfully but it’s likely to never become a real problem because the method changes with each bakkesmod update.
Imagine if we connected to one person's host in each server we play in, kinda like how Halo 2 servers worked. Game would be ruined completely. It was so easy to pull host, put your friend's IPs in trusted zone via Zonealarm software, then use cain and abel to grab opponent's IPs and put them in the poisoned zone with a firewall and mouse macro going from -low med high med low-consistently during the match. Everyone in the game would lag except for the people with the IPs in the trust zone via the software. Were talking 2005 here boys.
There are codes in all games files. It's a massive rabbit hole to get to them. The spitting Brit has a couple of videos showing it. But u can debug and tweak the game. In RL there's a lot of updates and events that have came out. There are files for all of it. Like unlimited boost, making it harder for a player to get a goal, seeing the direction of where the ball is going to go. And if they get caught, they have another account and do it again. In a single player game I don't care about cheating. But in a multiplayer game, that is pretty scummy.
Banwaves are better than individually banning people for a couple of reasons. You stated that you get rid of all the known cheaters at once, which is true but not the main-reason.
If it was a live banning system, cheaters could test the limits and pin-point exactly what triggers the ban and fix this one specific part of code in their client.
If its in banwaves on the other hand, its way harder and takes longer to figure out the weak spot of the tool because it could essentially be anything.
So it basically stalls time and is annoying as hell for the coders.
Its like you taking a math test, but only get your grade and will not be shown where your mistakes were, you just have to figure it out while being completely in the dark.
I recently posted proof of invisible cheaters in RL a few vids ago. The other time it happened I wasn't recording but it was as if they were invis and teleporting too idk.
ApparentlyJack get some of those dudes, there is even a "new" way to cheat: "DDoS" , the opponent literally kick him out of the server after loosing by 5 goals or something like that
At 6:48 you can see that Dayquil Addict is the same guy because he mentions his TikTok in the chat
YOOOOOOO MY CLIP MADE IT INTO A RIZZO VIDEO
Lag switching was around on original Xbox, really popular with Halo 2
Banwaves are just a way for devs to figure out what the cheat is and how to setup the anti cheat to counter it. The reason they do banwaves is just because if they ban one person at a time instantly they'll know the hack but they won't know anything in debt.
Ive felt like connections have been a bit weird lately. Have had multiple games where everyone but 1 player has terrible lag
Saw a bot two days ago in RL. Reminds me of Game Of Thrones seeing a white walker.
Never seen someone make a Rocket League video from jail. Whew. Guess it’s a first for everything 😂😂
Oh it’s a green screen 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣
thw other day i got into a comp gameand a hacker was making everybody jump. weirdest thing ever
There is lots of cheats I could think of for RL
Ball magnet (Draws the ball to u)
Show where the ball will land
Make car faster
etc..
people who cheat always be like "cuz im bored"
I find it hard to believe that people haven't been able to use unlimited boosts and modified jumps in matchmaking. Definitely had some moments early on in RL about how much boost people should've had.
Got lag switched the moment it went 2-3 sht is wilddd. I dont get why people think they can get away with it.
Recently I've been finding many Bots in 1s in Higher Champ to GC ...
LMAOOOO THAT NEXTO BOT IS ME
I remember when you played the chinese version, the tutorial had the ball predicion line. Could be using that too
We got cheaters in RL before GTA6 💀
I literally got a match agaisnt a bot yesterday, it was probably necto because the only thing he could do right is dribble
I've seen this bug years ago and had a friend that played invisible in a game exactly like this. Crazy it's back in the game lol
why does the back look like a prison cell man??? 🤣
rizzo when you called your vids with JonSandman old i withered by 10 years
The jail background has me dead😂
Air dribble bumping an invisible cheater is crazy
Espeon was small minded in 2018, at that time we had the start of full autonomous CSGO cheats the run on a secondary computer. The arms race has been long, every game can be cheated. Sad people do it, and smart people sell it
I came across a random short showing someone having to deal with invisible cheaters. I thought maybe it was a bug purely on rocket league’s end but seems like it actually may not be.
If bakkesmod is the issue could also be the solution I'm sure there's way to reverse people being invis on your clients side using bakkesmod. Just a thought.
Rizzo, I can't get enough of your content, so I subscribed!
i ran into one literally a few hours ago, the only reason i am 100% sure is because everyone's ping went crazy, then his game crashed in the middle of the game and as soon as he came back the ping went back to normal.
thorami bot invasion phase : am i a joke to you?
I've actually experienced the invisible car glitch first hand. I was at a LAN tournament for RL and we had to restart our game because one of our players went invisible.
There is a player called "vistirial" and before he was ddossing server when he was losing, and by that he was top 1 in every extra game mode. But now its way worse. Most of the people with gc3+ in rumble doesnt q rn at all bcs he uses cheats, but not just invisiblity, he teleports, freezes the ball and much more uses every title in the game even if no body own it. Hope epic games will finally put attention to rocket league, not killing it like they started doing
Unfortunately cheaters have existed in rocket league for way longer than you think. Everything from auto air dribble and auto speed flip. To full on AI playing for you at supersonic legend level. It’s easy to understand, if the game exist, there are plenty of cheaters.
imagine getting air dribble bumped when you're invisible. So sad
I was in a 3v3 Tournament with two of my friends. We won first game and when we entered the second game for the Tournament, we were shocked to see that we are against same team we've just beaten. In conclusion they somehow restarted the match, they won and go further. :( HOW?? WE WON AGAINST THEM . Like if I'm not the only one who had this strange experience.
Tyrese is the same guy that started the whole TAS thing AND the same person who started implementing nexto into an external program and selling it for people to run the bot in ranked. You can see he calls himself Tyrese in 6:47
Invisible cars could be a fun game mode
when I played 1s with the f1 car, people told me i was invisible. not sure if it was cause of this glitch or they were just saying my car was too flat
i had the invis bug happen against me in casual one time a few years ago, the whole lobby thought it was funny asf. Doing it on purpose to cheat is a lot less funny
love the jail cell
You could probably cheat in rumble by giving yourself/opponent the best/worst powerups every time