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Wonder if the reason why Zovaal was able to break from his programming & directive to "fix" everything was due to his interactions as the Arbiter with souls from Azeroth.
I remember a line from Magni himself at the beginning of his Threagar arc, when he's talking about Azeroth, saying "She is a Titan!" with excitement, as a guy who is directly communicating with the world-soul. Instead of implying "she's much much more than a mere titan" etc. I know, "mere". As if titans are a negligible force in the cosmos, but I mean compared to Azeroth ofc. Then Shadowlands and Amirdrassil happened and we thought she's not a titan. Then the Tali interview with Hamilton, lots of conflicting sht in the story. I wish they could make sense all of it at the same time without deleting the old narrative by making characters say "we were wrong, apparently she isn't a titan." Story can different conflicting ideas about what something is, but it should be planned, and not given as a solidified information to shatter it later over and over and over again. Do that once in 15 years maybe, WoW had enough of it.
I'm actually curious then, with Illganoths prophecy, "The diamond one has been a pawn" i can't remember how it went, but thats what I think I recall. And that we'll follow him down. How does that play into this?
This makes me really excited to see what’s after the World Soul Saga. It seems pretty obvious that the Worldcore will be the final raid of The Last Titan. Odds are we’ll destroy the worldcore. But will that awaken Azeroth and destroy our world? Will we just keep defending her from the other forces? Are we going to go to the life/arcane/fel/void/life lands? Maybe our planet will be destroyed and we’ll have to start over on another planet.
if the core is destroye, they could make WoW 2.0 and start anew as you said. Alot of people (me included) feels that current WoW is kinda bloated. Classic is just content I've already done, but a new world? Sweet.
its so crazy that a small quest line like this is so good and ties so many things together. versus shadowlands what was a jumbles mess of unconnected jibberish BS.
"Titan Overlords"... really changes perspective on things. Sounds more like they imprisoned the Worldsoul of Azeroth & she's been trying to break out for the past 10,000 millennia
Well we knew all along that Magni was working with Azeroth and not Titans. He always asked her what she is trying to tell him. So now it just has a name and now we know how / why he turned into diamond. But hey its a content I understand that.
you know what would be cool would be to have them drop some lore about what happens to a planet after a titan emerges. like they could introduce a race that lived on a planet that turned into one of the titans and their planet was destroyed and a few of them survived somehow. hell maybe we find out one of the demonic races had that happen, like the succubi/incubi could become a playable race and we learn that they were just like the draenei and their planet popped when one of the titans emerged and the legion was there the rescue them. I like when they put in more shades of grey and everything isn't so cut and dry good and evil. the legion was doing terrible shit, but sargeras thought he was doing the right thing. the titans also think they are doing the right thing but they are more selfish than they think. even forces of the light aren't entirely good and some are willing to convert or kill anyone. some have embraced and used the void and aren't evil.
So Titans do horible thing... They trying to wake up her... Well if i could sleeping go into the mind of someone and ask them to stop people who trying to wake me up... I would 100% do that Let her sleep!
The writing on this feels idk, I feel almost like who gives a shit if Xala'tath gets her hands on the world core. Like the Titans have been cooking this egg for a millennia, does it seem kind of dumb, that even if Xala got there, in a matter of moments she could override the thousands of years of im assuming a bath of order magic or arcane, whatever the titans vibe with. And like if she could overwrite that, then why wouldnt the titans have a similar process, to at least speed up the process of the "cooking." It just feels like even if we failed to stop Xala, Azeroth would come out and be like a titan, but with an emo haircut? Maybe I just dont understand the stakes? But even if we say fail in Midnight and she does get the world core, or destroys it, why does that auto win for her, could we not just turn right back around and be like "naw lady, ¡yoink!" and take it back, then Azeroth would be even less emo than in my previous assumption. It just feels super convenient that oh it takes the titans thousands, tens of thousands of years to convert the world soul to essentially the void being able to be like "boop, evil." If that was the case, I feel like the entire universe would already be 100% void
azeroth is the Old gods. everything is a false illusion creating the prison, and eating from the hand that feeds you. there is no good ending. titans made a matrix the end. we arent even real, we are just memories/dreams living out echoes of something thats already happened. Inception.
what about the female titan construct buried in the tunnel above the tower where you get a message from an orb, am sure thats the female titan that gets a bollocking from a bigger titan construct is the one buried in the tunnel
I think the true and final revelation is this: That Worldsouls don't HAVE to turn into Titans at all. Only a few ever did. During the pre-expansion events with Alleria hunting down Xal'atath, Locus Walker mentions the homeworld of the Ethereals had it's own "Radiant Song" event before it was destroyed, suggesting it too had a Worldsoul, and was crying out for aid. Basically, Worldsouls can be "birthed" into a higher form while under enough influence of a cosmic power, and the Titans want Azeroth to become one of their own; as does the Void. And since every Titan seems to have a particular domain of influence, I think Azeroth's is over Fate itself. As players, we continually defy the odds, even coming back from death, and that sort of power is quite possibly the greatest there is. I mean, think about it. It's been stated before that the reason why the Void is so dangerous is that they can see all possible futures, and use this to manipulate things to their liking. The two things that hold them back are that the Void Lords can't manifest directly into our reality, and that they're unable to determine which of those futures is going to actually happen. They essentially are playing statistics, but there's always that outlier; and we're the anomaly. If they were able to turn Azeroth to their side, they'd basically negate this weakness and be able to shift the odds in their favor, and thus conquer all of existence. Similarly, the Titans are beings of Order, and have had mixed reactions to their creations gaining free will. Some of them, like Eonar, are happy with the results, while others, including Keepers like Tyr, have taken aggressive actions against those who go against their desires. But if they could wield Fate, adjust the dice rolls of the universe itself? That is the ultimate expression of Order, and would insure they could shape things exactly as they want. (Heck, one of the new Rogue hero talent specs is called Fatebound and involves this ability, which I think is intentional since it's not something that was ever mentioned until this expansion...) tl;dr: The entire saga is building up to the fact that the Worldsoul wants to become it's own being, does not neccessarily need to turn into a Titan but is being manipulated by the cosmic forces to align with them, and the reason we, the residents of the planet have been able to do crazy things like defeat the Legion, is due to her empowerment.
@@LittlepipMLP I maintain that world souls are something of a divine blank slate. Naturally occurring, they would be in tune with all greater aspects of the cosmology, but most of the great forces we know of have basically been influencing them throughout the prime material we play in, claiming them to their individual sides ala the Titans. I also believe Elune is one of these as well, given her Light, Dark, Life, and (admittedly loose) Arcane aspects we've seen and the extent of her reach throughout the cosmos.
Fatebound for rogue has nothing to do with your theory, talents in the past for rogues have had fate as part of their name, because that's what rogues do lol, specially the assa spec @@LittlepipMLP
We probably should have already realized that back in Wrath, when we found out they gave Algalon instructions to self-destruct the entire planet if the Old Gods ever got a bit too out-of-control.
seriously the curse of flesh is spirit the 5th element ask yourself how did the breaker a titan construct made of stone become orcs that are very much eatable on a world with no curse of flesh
Thraegar did only come from earthen, but Magni must look so similar to a Thraegar that they saw him as one. Not technically a "Thraegar" but still a crystalized champion of Azeroth
Well since Dwarfs are evolved Earthern it make sense that they could be Thraegar too. But wasn't the big point here that only the dornogal Earthern became them because they were more less infected by Azeroth(from titan perspective) ?
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I hope Aman'thul's loot is good.
Bow for hunter
Just know... this was all the jailers plan
you mean Nipples magee?
The joke gets both more funnier and sadder the farther away we get from Shadowlands.
"Just as planned" Tzee-I mean Handsome Squidward.
You've earned yourself a time out, mister!
@@Menolith I think it just gets more annoying and hurts the criticisms of Shadowlands.
If only I had a dollar for every video title that said we finally have the answers.
havent played in years. still watch these to keep upnwith the story.
I haven't been this excited for wow lore in a long time I deeply hope the rest of this saga goes well.
Wonder if the reason why Zovaal was able to break from his programming & directive to "fix" everything was due to his interactions as the Arbiter with souls from Azeroth.
Wasn't that implied/ in the lore already?
Pretty sure I remember there being a broken / buried female watcher in a collapsed mine on Isle of Dorn, Could this be Galan?
It IS Galan.
skip to 2:05
What if magni is not a pawn of the void against the titans but a pawn of azeroth against the titans
I remember a line from Magni himself at the beginning of his Threagar arc, when he's talking about Azeroth, saying "She is a Titan!" with excitement, as a guy who is directly communicating with the world-soul. Instead of implying "she's much much more than a mere titan" etc. I know, "mere". As if titans are a negligible force in the cosmos, but I mean compared to Azeroth ofc.
Then Shadowlands and Amirdrassil happened and we thought she's not a titan. Then the Tali interview with Hamilton, lots of conflicting sht in the story.
I wish they could make sense all of it at the same time without deleting the old narrative by making characters say "we were wrong, apparently she isn't a titan."
Story can different conflicting ideas about what something is, but it should be planned, and not given as a solidified information to shatter it later over and over and over again.
Do that once in 15 years maybe, WoW had enough of it.
Just realised that Dornegal is named after Dornic and Galan 🤯
There are earthen in old iron forge now. They can read the stuff magni read before turning into crystal... just leaving this here
means of willing thraegar ascension really. yeah good point!
i've been curious about the shut downe arthen on the isle of dorn charged with blue energy bubbles
I'm actually curious then, with Illganoths prophecy, "The diamond one has been a pawn" i can't remember how it went, but thats what I think I recall. And that we'll follow him down. How does that play into this?
“The king of diamonds has been made a pawn.”
I'd thought it was Galan's arm was in the rubble just up the hill where you fight her memory during that questline with Dagran and Brinthe.
This makes me really excited to see what’s after the World Soul Saga. It seems pretty obvious that the Worldcore will be the final raid of The Last Titan. Odds are we’ll destroy the worldcore. But will that awaken Azeroth and destroy our world? Will we just keep defending her from the other forces? Are we going to go to the life/arcane/fel/void/life lands? Maybe our planet will be destroyed and we’ll have to start over on another planet.
if the core is destroye, they could make WoW 2.0 and start anew as you said. Alot of people (me included) feels that current WoW is kinda bloated. Classic is just content I've already done, but a new world? Sweet.
Clearing up 20 years of lore for real.
So, in today's episode of "Azeroth is a strong independent woman who needs no Titan."
😂
I know it's a joke but that's exactly the kind of crap modern blizzard would pull
Galan is dead in the tunnel you defeat her echo in.
its so crazy that a small quest line like this is so good and ties so many things together. versus shadowlands what was a jumbles mess of unconnected jibberish BS.
I love story time.
Shoutout to Bellular for calling out that Xalatath will become a major villain all the way back in LEGION
"Titan Overlords"... really changes perspective on things. Sounds more like they imprisoned the Worldsoul of Azeroth & she's been trying to break out for the past 10,000 millennia
Been saying old gods are part of Azeroth for a while now. Sounds like you confirmed it haha
Well we knew all along that Magni was working with Azeroth and not Titans. He always asked her what she is trying to tell him. So now it just has a name and now we know how / why he turned into diamond. But hey its a content I understand that.
you know what would be cool would be to have them drop some lore about what happens to a planet after a titan emerges. like they could introduce a race that lived on a planet that turned into one of the titans and their planet was destroyed and a few of them survived somehow. hell maybe we find out one of the demonic races had that happen, like the succubi/incubi could become a playable race and we learn that they were just like the draenei and their planet popped when one of the titans emerged and the legion was there the rescue them.
I like when they put in more shades of grey and everything isn't so cut and dry good and evil. the legion was doing terrible shit, but sargeras thought he was doing the right thing. the titans also think they are doing the right thing but they are more selfish than they think. even forces of the light aren't entirely good and some are willing to convert or kill anyone. some have embraced and used the void and aren't evil.
The paaaalm of my hand...
😂
So Titans do horible thing... They trying to wake up her...
Well if i could sleeping go into the mind of someone and ask them to stop people who trying to wake me up... I would 100% do that
Let her sleep!
The writing on this feels idk, I feel almost like who gives a shit if Xala'tath gets her hands on the world core. Like the Titans have been cooking this egg for a millennia, does it seem kind of dumb, that even if Xala got there, in a matter of moments she could override the thousands of years of im assuming a bath of order magic or arcane, whatever the titans vibe with. And like if she could overwrite that, then why wouldnt the titans have a similar process, to at least speed up the process of the "cooking." It just feels like even if we failed to stop Xala, Azeroth would come out and be like a titan, but with an emo haircut? Maybe I just dont understand the stakes? But even if we say fail in Midnight and she does get the world core, or destroys it, why does that auto win for her, could we not just turn right back around and be like "naw lady, ¡yoink!" and take it back, then Azeroth would be even less emo than in my previous assumption.
It just feels super convenient that oh it takes the titans thousands, tens of thousands of years to convert the world soul to essentially the void being able to be like "boop, evil." If that was the case, I feel like the entire universe would already be 100% void
Isn’t this the thing with the whole WoW lore, all it takes is Us champions to end a long reign of tyranny on every dungeon and raid
Every video is “now we finally know the truth”
calling it now, azeroth is working with N'Zoth (and possibly all the old gods)
azeroth is the Old gods. everything is a false illusion creating the prison, and eating from the hand that feeds you. there is no good ending. titans made a matrix the end. we arent even real, we are just memories/dreams living out echoes of something thats already happened. Inception.
i think that the old gods are naaru or titans with the curse of flesh by azeroth and they re working for her.
Man, I wish. Old Gods and Void are to me the most interesting lore of Warcraft. I hope we haven't seen the last of them...
what about the female titan construct buried in the tunnel above the tower where you get a message from an orb, am sure thats the female titan that gets a bollocking from a bigger titan construct is the one buried in the tunnel
Sir, did you ever get any information on the guild banks item restoration
I did get an answer...it was the cause of a db migration error and there is no backup or way to restore.
@ that sucks thank you
Oh, my sweet summer child. How easily you eat out of the palm of the Titan's hand.
Kinda confirms who will be a boss
Now if we could just delete Shadowlands, Warlords of Draenor and their consequenses, that'd be great.
That is a bad idea, shadowlands I can understand, but WoD ? Without it we wouldn't have the Great Legion expansion ^^
@DKHZStudio just really not a fan of large scale timetravel shenanigans
I mean, Galan is dead, under the rubble of a tunnel that leads to that memory, probably dinde made it to his new purpuse.
Bellular is gone. Subsumed by the botcomments. Botullar is all that remains. No but seriously, what's with these wanky af bot comments?
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Great video!
isin't this old news? the archive discs about the thraegar were like 2weeks ago?
I said it before, even before Metzen mentioned that Illidan will be back. I said, Illidan will be back with Sargeras at his side.
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Oh god, bots are here! Time to purge them i guess.
It shows that the Titans aren't our friends. They are enemies of the people that live on Azeroth.
They don't care for our agency, unless they can weaponize it like in legion vs argus.
I think the true and final revelation is this: That Worldsouls don't HAVE to turn into Titans at all. Only a few ever did. During the pre-expansion events with Alleria hunting down Xal'atath, Locus Walker mentions the homeworld of the Ethereals had it's own "Radiant Song" event before it was destroyed, suggesting it too had a Worldsoul, and was crying out for aid.
Basically, Worldsouls can be "birthed" into a higher form while under enough influence of a cosmic power, and the Titans want Azeroth to become one of their own; as does the Void. And since every Titan seems to have a particular domain of influence, I think Azeroth's is over Fate itself. As players, we continually defy the odds, even coming back from death, and that sort of power is quite possibly the greatest there is.
I mean, think about it. It's been stated before that the reason why the Void is so dangerous is that they can see all possible futures, and use this to manipulate things to their liking. The two things that hold them back are that the Void Lords can't manifest directly into our reality, and that they're unable to determine which of those futures is going to actually happen. They essentially are playing statistics, but there's always that outlier; and we're the anomaly. If they were able to turn Azeroth to their side, they'd basically negate this weakness and be able to shift the odds in their favor, and thus conquer all of existence.
Similarly, the Titans are beings of Order, and have had mixed reactions to their creations gaining free will. Some of them, like Eonar, are happy with the results, while others, including Keepers like Tyr, have taken aggressive actions against those who go against their desires. But if they could wield Fate, adjust the dice rolls of the universe itself? That is the ultimate expression of Order, and would insure they could shape things exactly as they want.
(Heck, one of the new Rogue hero talent specs is called Fatebound and involves this ability, which I think is intentional since it's not something that was ever mentioned until this expansion...)
tl;dr: The entire saga is building up to the fact that the Worldsoul wants to become it's own being, does not neccessarily need to turn into a Titan but is being manipulated by the cosmic forces to align with them, and the reason we, the residents of the planet have been able to do crazy things like defeat the Legion, is due to her empowerment.
@@LittlepipMLP I maintain that world souls are something of a divine blank slate. Naturally occurring, they would be in tune with all greater aspects of the cosmology, but most of the great forces we know of have basically been influencing them throughout the prime material we play in, claiming them to their individual sides ala the Titans. I also believe Elune is one of these as well, given her Light, Dark, Life, and (admittedly loose) Arcane aspects we've seen and the extent of her reach throughout the cosmos.
Fatebound for rogue has nothing to do with your theory, talents in the past for rogues have had fate as part of their name, because that's what rogues do lol, specially the assa spec @@LittlepipMLP
We probably should have already realized that back in Wrath, when we found out they gave Algalon instructions to self-destruct the entire planet if the Old Gods ever got a bit too out-of-control.
seriously the curse of flesh is spirit the 5th element ask yourself how did the breaker a titan construct made of stone become orcs that are very much eatable on a world with no curse of flesh
Maybe its because Im not much of a Dwarf fan but Earthen Lore is boring asf
Cinema!
You say that EVERY lore video but you actually don't have any answers it's still guessing.
Let Metzen cook
we finally have titan propaganda.
Thank you Bellular, very cool! ❤🙏
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Hi pelugar
I was banned this week so i missed the disc fragment quest, good to know i missed a complete fucking nuke of a lore drop.
just watch pyromancer,this shit is old news
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The only thing is, Thraegar can come from any type of Dwarf? I thought they only came from Earthern.
Thraegar did only come from earthen, but Magni must look so similar to a Thraegar that they saw him as one. Not technically a "Thraegar" but still a crystalized champion of Azeroth
Well since Dwarfs are evolved Earthern it make sense that they could be Thraegar too. But wasn't the big point here that only the dornogal Earthern became them because they were more less infected by Azeroth(from titan perspective) ?
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No offense but you seemingly always being patches or expansions ahead of everyone all the time is getting annoying.
just do your homework buddy and stop complaining
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