same thoughts here.. ok 7sIII might be amasing but this... for 1/20 of the price is just another level. quality not much worse than S7III to be completely honest
Years ago when Zeke started posting about the EOS M I went and got one from EBay for $88. I already had a M50 so lenses and adapters galore for FD, EF/EF-S, vintage m42, etc… needless to say I LOVE the EOS M for video. All in over the years I think I am maybe $500 deep with accessories, cage, monitor, mic, etc… and it just continues to impress especially now with the new ML build.
this video is simply showing how amazing the original EOS M is, I thought it matched the m50 in most cases but looked more cinematic in others. Even the extra quality of life features of the m50 don't make the huge step up in price worth while in my opinion. It's crazy to think that the EOS M will turn 10 next year and yet no budget cinema camera can match it!
True! The M50 is lacking dynamic range and a LOG Profile at least. The M with ML Raw has the upper hand here. It's still swimming after all these years haha, hard to hate on it. 🤘🍻🎥🔥
and also quite interesing in each one clip in Zeek's comparison looks actually more detailed on EOS M compared to M50 which is a bit strange - maybe youtube compression compressing M50 footage second time ? EOS M - looks just more detailed despite lower resolution. - this is realy impressive., Also color seems to bit a bit richer and a bit more accurate. Althou M50 is also very good and do not clip to white as much as EOS M. (noticed) , zeek another great video for the community. amasing work mate! youre EOSKing ;)
I'm seeing pretty much with Magic Lantern firmware that the original EOS M is better than the M50 in most instances. It just goes to show you how much Canon was kneecapping its sensors back in the day.
@@rocheurothe eos m50 can only record compressed MP4s which is why it looks less detsiles A stock eos M looks worse than the M50, but magic lantern really helps in eliminating the compression
The M50 has many end-user improvements, done right by the looks of things. But for my needs, the M @ 2.5K is pretty close to perfect. Thanks for putting in the 2.8K shots, that's a mode I've not yet used.
@@ZeekEOSZ the m50 allready to install Canon Cinestyle ? maybe it will better to reach more dynamic range. How do you do to match the color from 2 camera ?
@@andisantoso4155 I use Cinestyle always on the M50. I out them both in Davinci Resolve and they look already very similar. Just a matter of matching white balance and tint.
amazing stuff. I have a Canon m50 mark II and I love it, but after watching Zeek I have purchased two Canon EOS M's to add to my filming set up to make cooking content. I'm so glad I discovered this channel because the Canon Eos M cameras are absolutely amazing and I even got a compliment the other day about the picture quality of my cooking shots.
With all the extra love, energy and attention put into expanding the EOS M's capabilities further via Magic Lantern, that's true, in that sense. But as for personal taste, what has "more heart" is totally up to each individual, of course.
Hi Zeek, You said a lot, I might add a difference in file size (raw files are huge and take up a lot of space, and processing time also requires stronger hardware, especially if you're on a PC). Someone who doesn't want to get into color grading M50 is easier to use. On the Canon M, I miss the flip screen a lot. Also, I'm never sure if it will record 6-7 seconds or longer, it's a lottery. The batteries also discharge quickly. What I like is that raw files can be exported as arri alexa log and really resemble that look to some extent.
With file size they can be quite large on the SD, but once processed in MLV App as H.264/H.265 they can be tiny in comparison. But yes MLV Exports can take a while, which is why I export DNG. The M50 takes great photos too and the footage is still nice for everyday vids. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ h265 are so tiny - seriously 10sec of quite static 2.8k footage can be as little as 2.8MB - yes MEGA BYTES file -. seriously. If you dont need to store DNG or MLV or export prores.. just exporting to 265 or 264 is the best way to go. (I noticed that H265 has a bit less tiny detail) but the file sizes are 1/4 of h264. althou I always export at H264 just because I preffer quality. Most people Wont notice ANY! difference thou between those 2 codecs. Althou I wish new version of MLV app has option to choose bitrate when exporting! - what a shame they didnt include that in previous builds!
some points there but honestly you have to agree.. post processing and more hours with this camera is something you have to live with - and you got MLVapp and Magic Lantern for free anyways. And when you learn your workflow fast and use templates for your processing you can shorten the import/export times to 1/10 of the first time trial and error ;) Ive been there too.
Really appreciate your videos, I am new to the magic lantern angle. Am looking now to go down the rabbit hole and try some raw shooting, and this is a great comparison. You shoot beautiful videos ! Thanks for the knowledge Zeek!
EOS M has far more character to it. I think the M50 is more efficient to use. But the EOS M has that real Arri Alexa vibe to it which I love! Great video Zeek as always!
Great video Zeek! I was waiting for this one but it didn't take away my doubts of getting an Eos M the 60 fps on the M50 is just a must for me! Keep them vids coming!
@@muddywatersautodetailingpr9866 I used Cinestyle on the M50. When I dropped the clips in DaVinci Resolve they looked already very similar, some were hard to tell apart. You can check my Facebook to see the M50 and EOS M DaVinci Clips together.
Great video comparison Zeek, I love my EOS M but I also own the M50 great for stills and with these comparisons great for video as well it seems, can't wait for the work in progress to open up the M50, it will be awesome
👍🏾👍🏾 Fantastic Comparison, Zeek, brother!! I was so close to buying a used M50 a few times earlier this year, but opted for other cameras and gear. I still have my heart set on purchasing an M50 someday, though, to have fun with shooting some short films with. Best Wishes to you and your family, my friend. 💗
Cheers man 😉🙌 I'd keep the cash though haha, new Canon Aps-c Rumours, who knows what's coming. Probs Canon C50 or something else, hopefully a budget option that takes on from the M50. 🎥🔥
A great comparison, Zeek. I keep thinking of going mirrorless, but I am so happy with my old 5D MK II and Magic Lantern raw video that I will not upgrade for video until my old body croaks! LOL! Thanks for this comparison.
Hey Zeek, i love your coverage on these cameras an the magic lantern software. Its comprehensive an valuable information. Believe it or not, I shoot exclusively on Alexa for my feature and corporate shoots, but am really attracted to the micro form factor something like this would provide. I'm looking at building an eos rig but i was wondering if you have or could make a comparison video between the Eos M and the 5D Mii. Specifically as it applies to my type of work, i'm trying to figure out which of the two i should go for, an what would be valuable to see is a side by side test of an EOS M with that nifty speedbooster and those canon FD lenses Vs. the full frame sensor of the 5d Mii with the same lenses. I want to lean towards the EOS M because of its size, but i'd rather invest in the better image quality just as i'd be using this as a C cam to match up with my 2.8k Alexa footage. Would love your insight on this.
I have tried twice to get Magic Lantern to be stable on the EOS M, but it has crashed both times and the recommended settings I have found so far are not really working. I'd love to know what version of the software you are using and what your settings are. Your footage looks great!
EOS M is clearly sharper and better reproduction/less post processing vs the M50...however I need a camera for my gf to record animals and plants. So m50 with its amenities it is.
Good job, love the cinematic look of the M, and the autofocus on the M50, very interesting comparison, for the test of the dynamic range , using dual iso in 2.5K perharps should be better ?
Я как раз, только что продал свой eos M, и купил eos M50. Я сделал выбор в пользу удобства пользования. Картинка видео мне больше нравится с eos m, но автофокус, поворотный экран, видео искатель, и прошивка без глюков для меня перевесели и я всё-таки пользуюсь eos m 50.
I’m still dreaming of Magiclantern on M50. I really like having leverage in grading. But I have to say: you‘ve shown that if you expose your footage correctly with the M50 it can look surprisingly good. Sometimes, for me at least it‘s just not possible to expose 100% correct (hectic shooting, harsh backlight, nighttime, wrong WB etc...) RAW really seems to help me out in this situations.
@@ZeekEOSZ Thanks Zeek. I've read mixed opinions about cinestyle (banding because of narrower histogramm in just 8bit compressed footage something like that...seemed to make some sense) , and unfortunately stayed away. But getting a recommendation from you and seeing your footage: I will definitely give this a shot! Tnx.
@@notthesame3606 Cinestyle gives you imo the best Color straight out of the camera, minor to no tweaking is necessary. This is my favourite picture profile. There's also lightform C/N I need to test out more. 👍
Wow I found my new favorite RUclips channel haha 🙌 It would be great if you could do a video on your color grading workflow in Davinci for how you got the m50 footage to look like the EOS M. Whenever I try to color grade from a flat picture profile it looks terrible loll
I just chuck the clips onto the timeline with the DaVinci settings mentioned here: ruclips.net/video/hb3iE5djAt0/видео.html I plan on doing another video with the M50.
I'd use the Vlog mirror, and disable Servo AF on the Canon Menu with the M otherwise it will hunt. The M50 would be fine only in 1080p with DPAF as 4K doesn't have it. Those lenses I use MF All the time.
@@ZeekEOSZ okay awesome I got the vlog mirror, favourite tool ever, and ill go disable SERVO AF right now, pretty tempted to get the m50 mark ii but I'm gonna try to stick with my Eos M for now! thanks zeek!
Excellent comparison video! It just shows that resolution doesnt matter as much as the image quality and bit rate does. I really wish you had a og BMPCC. It would be really interesting to see how the 10 bit and 12bit RAW compare on the BMPCC and the EOS-M.
Awesome! Just recovering from surgery ATM, so can't walk about too much just yet. But I plan on doing more vids with the M50 and I've just got my hands on the R6.
The M50 would win as it's compressed video, raw will need a little denoising in post or some processing. I noticed in the first comparison of the tree scrlene, the M was a bit noisier in the shadows. Thanks to RUclips Compression you can't tell as much 😎👍
Hi, So I just bought an eos m used. Please guide me where to start,total noob here. I wanna shoot at 2.5k raw. Please share the settings and the ml build. This is gonna be my hobby now.
This is my latest settings video: ruclips.net/video/yZfosm3IuZI/видео.html This is a good export/grading tutorial: ruclips.net/video/hb3iE5djAt0/видео.html I have more on the channel too.
I live for the days they will get magic lantern on later canons, can you imagine what the M50 would be able to do if it had magic lantern as well? If it can do 4K itself as is, imagine what it could do with magic lantern. At some point the Canon R5C for example (the 8K 60fps monster) will get it to and that will be the end of any new camera. If you can get super detail on a 200$ camera because of the pirate firmware, then when it becomes available on later models it will be out of this world.
yeahh not so close after all, the whole point is not comparing the resolution alone but the usability also. m50 easily records an interview in 4k, something simple that can't be done with the m+ ML
You can but with loaded pink dropped frames and aliasing and an Anamorphic-like stretched Liveview. Not worth it in my opinion. Don't want to keep hopes up for newbies with high fps tbh.
Does the EOS M allow you to play back the footage in camera ? I’ve been talking to some people and they say they switched to the OG bmpcc for that exact reason. If so what are the work arounds for it ?
Hey Zeek, short question. I got an EOS M and a autofocus lense from Canon. The Autofocus works great at Pictures, but there is no chaning Autofocus if I shot a video right? Its a bumper right now because I need to ajust the focus all the time while shooting a video.
Hi Zeek! First of all, thanks for your work on this channel! Just bought EOS M because of its price (M50 costs too much for me). So, I just wanted to ask about EOS M for vlogging. Few times I saw your examples with your sister sitting opposite the camera. Did you use 5k preset in all those examples? If not, which presets you can recommend for vlogging purposes with continuous record time? (simple 1080 mode has aliasing, I don't think it's a good choice).
You can use a monitor or a vlogging mirror. I would use 5K FRTP or 1080 mode and enable X3 crop with a wide angle lens like the 11-22mm or 10-18mm. I plan on making a video about this too. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ Sounds good. Thanks a lot! But why would u use crop mode with wide angle lense if you can use basic 18mm+ lense without any crop? Or crop is not really necessary (sorry for that kind of questions, i'm really new to this..)
@@mikejaputz5570 No that's okay. The crop removes aliasing. It's very clean compared to the uncropped 1.6x 1080 mode. All you do is press the "set" button and your in X3 crop modes, press it again and you're out of it. So it's a choice 👍
any suggestions for a really wide cine lens like cosmicar but wider then 16? i love the look of the vintage cine but would like maybe 10mm or wider...do-able?
You could use two SD cards, one for ML, and one for Canon in the EOS. Great video! Did you use green screen? Love the small detail work of zooming in and audio is👌
using mlv app on windows 10, trying to convert from .mlv, to which ever I like. after export, mlv app says ''export is ready'', but when I go to locate my file, it's not there. and no amount of windows searching finds it, maybe mlv app, doesn't like windows 10??
When you load MLV App, don't remove that black pop up window otherwise it may cause disruption with the export. See how that goes, if not, then You can communicate this in the ML Forum for MLV APP: www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=20025.msg235904;topicseen#msg235904
Thanks again Zeek, worked fine next time around after downloading an x64 version of mlv app, and also, I notched a whole bunch of files that I assume need to stay in the original dir. and also, the CMD .BIN thing seems to work too! Thanks! keep the video's coming!
Hey Zeek, great couple of videos I watched, I just discovered you. I just had a quick look at Magic Lantern's page, I only see the EOS M camera being supported there, but it looks like you are using ML on the EOS M50 with it no problems it seems, is just not fully supported or such? I'm considering getting the EOS M50 cause of the dual pixel focusing and the articulated screen, rather than the EOS M, even though I did like it quite a lot, but very hard to see the screen, I'm getting old and my eye sight is failing me. I had a EOS M a few years ago and was using ML firmware on it with good results, although the latest Canon firmware would render ML un usable, is that still the case or has it been updated to work with the latest Canon EOS M firmware? Thanks for the great videos, I'll keep looking :)
The M50 has no Magic Lantern Raw. Development hasn't progressed much hence no news. The is magic lantern for the latest Eos m build but it's still a bit sketchy. You're better off with Firmware 2.0.2
why does the eos m looks sharper in many of those clips, especially on the textures of the tree/branches? its hard to believe... haha! man... eos m is like... miraculous.
The M50 4K isn't true 4K it seems, there's some upscaling going on. Also M50 footage is compressed, the footage does look quite soft out of camera so some post sharpening is required.
@@ZeekEOSZ , its 8-BIT 4.2.0 so the scale isn't justified with 4K resolutions because its technically copying pixels, i think. This gives off the illusion that its sharper, at least with Sony cameras. I think Canon lowers the sharpness by default. In general, you cant really trust 8-BIT 4K because the extra resolution needs higher than 8-BIT 4.2.0 DEPTH to justify even 1080p. I edit on a 4K 10-BIT display with decent HDR so the EOS-M shines on it when i look at its original RAW 12-BIT 4.4.4. The majority do not have displays to see true HDR benefits but one day maybe they will haha. Its crazy how companies get away with marketing "HDR, HDR10" TVs but yet the majority of them cant really display HDR content due to being a 8-BIT display with barely enough nits to see a slight change in dynamic range compared to SDR, if any change.
Hey zeek great video ...i just bought the eos m and I don't know which lens i should buy ...i want to do short films and b rolls and photography 😅 so basically everything but I'm on a tight budget (around $90) thanks ✌️
@@gokugoku1699 The *7Artisans 25mm* (which, as you may know, becomes a 40mm field of view on the EOS M, because of the 1.6 crop) is one of the best cheap lenses you can buy for the EOS M. You can get it cheap on Wish dot com, although it generally takes longer to arrive than via Amazon or Ebay at a higher price. Except for the 22mm, you can buy any of these cheap lenses used and get them for well under $90 USD. Best Wishes!
Yeah, it looks like I need to find another canon eos M instead of murder my savings account to buy the m50. I was hesitant to buy the c lens, it looks its gonna be a worth it purchase. BTW master Zeek, I'm hoping to see soon your opinion on which full frame canon to use with magic lantern and what would be the benefits.
Very nice comparison, I am impressed how you manage to have the same colour look between the two camera in resolve I presume. I like most the color depth of EOS M that seem reacher in some shot. The sharpness seems to be a little bit better in some shot on the M except on portrait shot shot in the garden at 7 min 06s. In fact after good looking, it seems that the depth of field is a little higher on the M50 giving the face more detail. Thank you for your talent, experimentation and sharing of your experience. This help us a lot to improve hour skills and inspire me. Keep on going and have a good day.
No problem! Both are nice cameras for price, I do like the M more though for pure cinematography on a budget, but the M50 would be a better RUclips/photography/quick video snap choice. 👍
Hey Zeek! Do you know if the 650D/t4i performs as well as the EOS M with ML RAW 2.5k? Seems to have more or less similar architecture w DIGIC 5 processor. Looking for something that matches the EOS M picture quality.
650D/700D should be fine. They just don't get the adaptability to speedboosters and other lenses. Those cameras should do fine, though I've never seen their footage with 2.5K Raw.
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah that’s what I was thinking. I have 2 x EOS M w speed boosters and I’m thinking a 650D or 750D will compliment them beautifully for a 3 camera shoot utilising ML auto restart recording for constant coverage. Plan is to stagger recording start for redundancy and to shoot a set up from 3 seperate angles simultaneously. I have multiple lenses and can rent if need be. Thoughts?
@@RhythmicEye Yeah that should be fine. Not sure of the recording limits with those cameras in 2.5K, should be similar to the M. The 650D/700D should be a good addition. There's more info on the ML Forum around these cameras 😎👍
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah after all these years I finally joined the ML forum. It’s a fantastic resource but overwhelming at first, I’m still in stealth mode as I see the devs get a bit annoyed at people asking repeatedly the same questions. Great collaborative group though. Hopefully I can contribute something of value soon. Thanks for all you do!, greatly appreciated.
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This dude is a legend. When people are fighting over R5 vs A7Siii, he is rocking his EOS M and getting stunning results. I am completely blown away.
😎🙌 Been super busy, but hope to play more with these cameras, even the M50.
same thoughts here.. ok 7sIII might be amasing but this... for 1/20 of the price is just another level. quality not much worse than S7III to be completely honest
@@rocheuro : and i just went to buy a second-handed EOS M after watching some of his videos.....
check my videos about 1 year ago on canon t2i (12 year old camera) the last 6 months were from apple iphone 13 pro max
Years ago when Zeke started posting about the EOS M I went and got one from EBay for $88. I already had a M50 so lenses and adapters galore for FD, EF/EF-S, vintage m42, etc… needless to say I LOVE the EOS M for video. All in over the years I think I am maybe $500 deep with accessories, cage, monitor, mic, etc… and it just continues to impress especially now with the new ML build.
this video is simply showing how amazing the original EOS M is, I thought it matched the m50 in most cases but looked more cinematic in others. Even the extra quality of life features of the m50 don't make the huge step up in price worth while in my opinion. It's crazy to think that the EOS M will turn 10 next year and yet no budget cinema camera can match it!
True! The M50 is lacking dynamic range and a LOG Profile at least. The M with ML Raw has the upper hand here. It's still swimming after all these years haha, hard to hate on it. 🤘🍻🎥🔥
and also quite interesing in each one clip in Zeek's comparison looks actually more detailed on EOS M compared to M50 which is a bit strange - maybe youtube compression compressing M50 footage second time ? EOS M - looks just more detailed despite lower resolution. - this is realy impressive., Also color seems to bit a bit richer and a bit more accurate. Althou M50 is also very good and do not clip to white as much as EOS M. (noticed) , zeek another great video for the community. amasing work mate! youre EOSKing ;)
I'm seeing pretty much with Magic Lantern firmware that the original EOS M is better than the M50 in most instances. It just goes to show you how much Canon was kneecapping its sensors back in the day.
really make you wonder what else modern cams like the R8 can do if we can load custom firmware!
@@rocheurothe eos m50 can only record compressed MP4s which is why it looks less detsiles
A stock eos M looks worse than the M50, but magic lantern really helps in eliminating the compression
definitely is the person not the camera taking the image, stunning results with either camera
The M50 has many end-user improvements, done right by the looks of things. But for my needs, the M @ 2.5K is pretty close to perfect. Thanks for putting in the 2.8K shots, that's a mode I've not yet used.
Yeah the M with 2.5K RAW is sufficient for most cinematic work. I've even used it with success in low light. Good stuff! 👌🎥🔥
@@ZeekEOSZ the m50 allready to install Canon Cinestyle ? maybe it will better to reach more dynamic range. How do you do to match the color from 2 camera ?
@@andisantoso4155 I use Cinestyle always on the M50.
I out them both in Davinci Resolve and they look already very similar. Just a matter of matching white balance and tint.
amazing stuff. I have a Canon m50 mark II and I love it, but after watching Zeek I have purchased two Canon EOS M's to add to my filming set up to make cooking content. I'm so glad I discovered this channel because the Canon Eos M cameras are absolutely amazing and I even got a compliment the other day about the picture quality of my cooking shots.
Why u have two, gimme 1, That camera is hard to find
So you recommend the EOS M to M50 for photography?
The EOS M has more heart.
With all the extra love, energy and attention put into expanding the EOS M's capabilities further via Magic Lantern, that's true, in that sense. But as for personal taste, what has "more heart" is totally up to each individual, of course.
I have both these cameras (I got my EOS M today from Ebay.) Looking forward to trying Magic Lantern. Your channel is a great resource.
Congrats! Love this cam, even for pure photography 🎥🔥
How is Magic Lantern working on the M50?
I'm glad I found this channel. Your content makes me want to work on my video skills.
canon M raw blows socks off so good, dynamic range is insane. m50 4k looks like it has compressed colouring range somehow.
Great video! Thank you for taking the time to make it? The EOS M has certainly surprised me in a good way.
i like the overall nature shots of the m but the m50 has it on the closeups, I admit it
Hi Zeek, You said a lot, I might add a difference in file size (raw files are huge and take up a lot of space, and processing time also requires stronger hardware, especially if you're on a PC). Someone who doesn't want to get into color grading M50 is easier to use. On the Canon M, I miss the flip screen a lot. Also, I'm never sure if it will record 6-7 seconds or longer, it's a lottery. The batteries also discharge quickly. What I like is that raw files can be exported as arri alexa log and really resemble that look to some extent.
With file size they can be quite large on the SD, but once processed in MLV App as H.264/H.265 they can be tiny in comparison. But yes MLV Exports can take a while, which is why I export DNG. The M50 takes great photos too and the footage is still nice for everyday vids. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ h265 are so tiny - seriously 10sec of quite static 2.8k footage can be as little as 2.8MB - yes MEGA BYTES file -. seriously. If you dont need to store DNG or MLV or export prores.. just exporting to 265 or 264 is the best way to go. (I noticed that H265 has a bit less tiny detail) but the file sizes are 1/4 of h264. althou I always export at H264 just because I preffer quality. Most people Wont notice ANY! difference thou between those 2 codecs. Althou I wish new version of MLV app has option to choose bitrate when exporting! - what a shame they didnt include that in previous builds!
some points there but honestly you have to agree.. post processing and more hours with this camera is something you have to live with - and you got MLVapp and Magic Lantern for free anyways. And when you learn your workflow fast and use templates for your processing you can shorten the import/export times to 1/10 of the first time trial and error ;) Ive been there too.
Really appreciate your videos, I am new to the magic lantern angle. Am looking now to go down the rabbit hole and try some raw shooting, and this is a great comparison. You shoot beautiful videos ! Thanks for the knowledge Zeek!
No problem at all! Even for stills, it's an amazing pocket camera 😎👌💯
EOS M has far more character to it. I think the M50 is more efficient to use. But the EOS M has that real Arri Alexa vibe to it which I love! Great video Zeek as always!
Tha Ms for the insight. The M50 does do fine for an 8-Bit Camera, but yeah the M has a Magic touch 🤘🔥
Great video Zeek! I was waiting for this one but it didn't take away my doubts of getting an Eos M the 60 fps on the M50 is just a must for me! Keep them vids coming!
Cheers! 👍🎥🔥
Yes! I've been waiting for this video! Zeek please do another video with the M50. Now I will watch and comment again. 😂
I was left surprised haha! 😎👌
Right. I have an M50 also and I really like the comparison between the two.
They can match very easily. Especially when EOS M RAW is exported as DNG.
@@ZeekEOSZ so if I export eos M as dng, what would be a good process for grading eos M and m50 footage together? The M50 has log profiles installed
@@muddywatersautodetailingpr9866
I used Cinestyle on the M50. When I dropped the clips in DaVinci Resolve they looked already very similar, some were hard to tell apart. You can check my Facebook to see the M50 and EOS M DaVinci Clips together.
To me the M50 had a tab better sharper image but the 9 year old EOS held it's own. Great video.
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With Magic Lantern, Optical Flow & Gigapixel AI my everyday choice is EOS M.
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Great video comparison Zeek, I love my EOS M but I also own the M50 great for stills and with these comparisons great for video as well it seems, can't wait for the work in progress to open up the M50, it will be awesome
ML on the M50 would be superb! 🔥
Wow!! the 2.8K is really a close call!!
I really love the cages
They're so good!
Canon EOS M footage wins hands-down every shot. Nice result.
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Amazing videos Zeek ! thanks you for this. You prefer M50 or Sony ZV 1 ?
I'd prefer ZV1 tbh. It has log profiles.
Its interesting if someday magic lantern firmware will be available sooner on canon eos m50.
It looks to be in progress, especially with the RP/EOS R. 🎥🔥
👍🏾👍🏾 Fantastic Comparison, Zeek, brother!! I was so close to buying a used M50 a few times earlier this year, but opted for other cameras and gear. I still have my heart set on purchasing an M50 someday, though, to have fun with shooting some short films with. Best Wishes to you and your family, my friend. 💗
Cheers man 😉🙌
I'd keep the cash though haha, new Canon Aps-c Rumours, who knows what's coming. Probs Canon C50 or something else, hopefully a budget option that takes on from the M50. 🎥🔥
@@ZeekEOSZ 😅 Hehe, appreciated. I'll check it out, brother. 👍🏾
A great comparison, Zeek. I keep thinking of going mirrorless, but I am so happy with my old 5D MK II and Magic Lantern raw video that I will not upgrade for video until my old body croaks! LOL! Thanks for this comparison.
Great to hear! I plan to do another video with my 5DII love it :)
Great video, but the example shots were a bit short for you to properly see the differences. Good job i have an Eos M so i know what it’s capable of.
Hey Zeek, i love your coverage on these cameras an the magic lantern software. Its comprehensive an valuable information. Believe it or not, I shoot exclusively on Alexa for my feature and corporate shoots, but am really attracted to the micro form factor something like this would provide. I'm looking at building an eos rig but i was wondering if you have or could make a comparison video between the Eos M and the 5D Mii. Specifically as it applies to my type of work, i'm trying to figure out which of the two i should go for, an what would be valuable to see is a side by side test of an EOS M with that nifty speedbooster and those canon FD lenses Vs. the full frame sensor of the 5d Mii with the same lenses. I want to lean towards the EOS M because of its size, but i'd rather invest in the better image quality just as i'd be using this as a C cam to match up with my 2.8k Alexa footage. Would love your insight on this.
Excellent comparison , very close indeed and 10-14bit is the upper advantage for post , nice one Zeek 🎬
Thanks! 👍Yep, comes down to post work ;)
@@ZeekEOSZ Pro's
I have tried twice to get Magic Lantern to be stable on the EOS M, but it has crashed both times and the recommended settings I have found so far are not really working. I'd love to know what version of the software you are using and what your settings are. Your footage looks great!
Have you tried Crop Mood?
sd card is the most important thing for stablity
EOS M is clearly sharper and better reproduction/less post processing vs the M50...however I need a camera for my gf to record animals and plants. So m50 with its amenities it is.
Loved the halation I could see off the wet rocks, it really gives it a film like quality. I wonder why it doesnt appear in the M50.
The M50 lacks dimension because the video is compressed. The M has more flexibility as it shoots RAW.
The OG M looked sharper in some parts but overall made me feel better of my M50
that 321 fight intro was 😆
Good job, love the cinematic look of the M, and the autofocus on the M50, very interesting comparison, for the test of the dynamic range , using dual iso in 2.5K perharps should be better ?
Well dual ISO is still like beta, it needs more development. It has it's flaws. But in general EOS RAW has more dynamic range than the M50 in video.
Я как раз, только что продал свой eos M, и купил eos M50.
Я сделал выбор в пользу удобства пользования. Картинка видео мне больше нравится с eos m, но автофокус, поворотный экран, видео искатель, и прошивка без глюков для меня перевесели и я всё-таки пользуюсь eos m 50.
Приятно слышать! Ничто не сравнится с камерой, которая делает ту работу, которую вы хотите;)
Здравствуйте, а на М50 есть Magic Lantern или только на eos m?
@@blagorodproduction нет, нету, он по сути и не нужен там.
@@artem_dukhov почему не нужен? М50 же не пишет видео в Рав из коробки
I’m still dreaming of Magiclantern on M50. I really like having leverage in grading. But I have to say: you‘ve shown that if you expose your footage correctly with the M50 it can look surprisingly good. Sometimes, for me at least it‘s just not possible to expose 100% correct (hectic shooting, harsh backlight, nighttime, wrong WB etc...) RAW really seems to help me out in this situations.
Use Cinestyle in the M50 and I mainly expose at 75% IRE.
@@ZeekEOSZ Thanks Zeek. I've read mixed opinions about cinestyle (banding because of narrower histogramm in just 8bit compressed footage something like that...seemed to make some sense) , and unfortunately stayed away. But getting a recommendation from you and seeing your footage: I will definitely give this a shot! Tnx.
@@notthesame3606 Cinestyle gives you imo the best Color straight out of the camera, minor to no tweaking is necessary. This is my favourite picture profile. There's also lightform C/N I need to test out more. 👍
Wow I found my new favorite RUclips channel haha 🙌 It would be great if you could do a video on your color grading workflow in Davinci for how you got the m50 footage to look like the EOS M. Whenever I try to color grade from a flat picture profile it looks terrible loll
I just chuck the clips onto the timeline with the DaVinci settings mentioned here:
ruclips.net/video/hb3iE5djAt0/видео.html
I plan on doing another video with the M50.
@@ZeekEOSZ Cool thanks for linking that video. Looking forward to the upcoming one (:
Zeek if i want to film myself on the field, how do I set focus or manual focus with the 15-45mm or 22mm what setting do I turn on/ off?
I'd use the Vlog mirror, and disable Servo AF on the Canon Menu with the M otherwise it will hunt. The M50 would be fine only in 1080p with DPAF as 4K doesn't have it. Those lenses I use MF All the time.
@@ZeekEOSZ okay awesome I got the vlog mirror, favourite tool ever, and ill go disable SERVO AF right now, pretty tempted to get the m50 mark ii but I'm gonna try to stick with my Eos M for now! thanks zeek!
@@LouisLuzuka 😎👍
Hi can you do a comparison how eos m holds up against iphone 13 pro max prores 10 bit video?
Excellent comparison video! It just shows that resolution doesnt matter as much as the image quality and bit rate does. I really wish you had a og BMPCC. It would be really interesting to see how the 10 bit and 12bit RAW compare on the BMPCC and the EOS-M.
Cheers Paul!
The OG BMPCC is still nice and a fantastic camera for sure. They don't come cheap where I am, at least close to $1000.
@@ZeekEOSZ oh wow! $1000 for the BMPCC is quite pricey! I would skip it also.
hey Zeek, just found your channel, looking foward to getting into your content, squeezig the most out of mid range canon's is what I'm all about!
Awesome! Just recovering from surgery ATM, so can't walk about too much just yet. But I plan on doing more vids with the M50 and I've just got my hands on the R6.
Can you test the low light performance of these cameras? I missed this comparison in your video. :)
The M50 would win as it's compressed video, raw will need a little denoising in post or some processing. I noticed in the first comparison of the tree scrlene, the M was a bit noisier in the shadows. Thanks to RUclips Compression you can't tell as much 😎👍
@@ZeekEOSZ wouldnt it help to filter the noise out with darks? Because of RAW the M should be superior over the M50 shouldnt it? Its just a guess tho.
I love Eos M since 2019
♥️☺️
Hi, So I just bought an eos m used. Please guide me where to start,total noob here. I wanna shoot at 2.5k raw. Please share the settings and the ml build. This is gonna be my hobby now.
This is my latest settings video:
ruclips.net/video/yZfosm3IuZI/видео.html
This is a good export/grading tutorial:
ruclips.net/video/hb3iE5djAt0/видео.html
I have more on the channel too.
Welcome to the EOS M Family, my friend, and best wishes with your exciting new hobby! 👍🏾💗 Looking forward to seeing your videos. Cheers.
@@ZeekEOSZ Thanks!
Very good vidéo , i m looking for a good and cheap magic lantern camera, the eos M is perfect for me.
😎👍🎥🔥
Another great video!
Is it possible to use the M with Magic Lantern and record directly to PC, rather than an SD?
Only to SD with the EOS M.
I live for the days they will get magic lantern on later canons, can you imagine what the M50 would be able to do if it had magic lantern as well? If it can do 4K itself as is, imagine what it could do with magic lantern.
At some point the Canon R5C for example (the 8K 60fps monster) will get it to and that will be the end of any new camera. If you can get super detail on a 200$ camera because of the pirate firmware, then when it becomes available on later models it will be out of this world.
Hi Zeek! Quick question: would it work the AF in the 55-250 with ML when recording 2.5 or 2.8K? Really appreciate your videos!!
yeahh not so close after all, the whole point is not comparing the resolution alone but the usability also. m50 easily records an interview in 4k, something simple that can't be done with the m+ ML
RAW is KING ever at lower resolutions
Love it 👌🔥
Wait...I thought you could get 48fps in 1080p on the Canon EOS M...
You can but with loaded pink dropped frames and aliasing and an Anamorphic-like stretched Liveview. Not worth it in my opinion. Don't want to keep hopes up for newbies with high fps tbh.
Zeek es mi pastor y nada me faltara 🙏
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Outstanding
what is the rig you use for your canon m?
The link should be in the description 👍
Does the EOS M allow you to play back the footage in camera ? I’ve been talking to some people and they say they switched to the OG bmpcc for that exact reason. If so what are the work arounds for it ?
Yes you can playback footage but at a low fps as it goes through the raw frames. You can see it better once the files are imported into MLV App.
@@ZeekEOSZ gotcha ! Thank you
Hey Zeek, short question. I got an EOS M and a autofocus lense from Canon. The Autofocus works great at Pictures, but there is no chaning Autofocus if I shot a video right? Its a bumper right now because I need to ajust the focus all the time while shooting a video.
Sir iam confuse which one should i buy for magic lantern raw video should i buy canon 700d or Eos M
Up to you. Flip screen vs speedbooster + more lens options. I personally prefer Eos m.
Hi Zeek! First of all, thanks for your work on this channel! Just bought EOS M because of its price (M50 costs too much for me). So, I just wanted to ask about EOS M for vlogging. Few times I saw your examples with your sister sitting opposite the camera. Did you use 5k preset in all those examples? If not, which presets you can recommend for vlogging purposes with continuous record time? (simple 1080 mode has aliasing, I don't think it's a good choice).
You can use a monitor or a vlogging mirror. I would use 5K FRTP or 1080 mode and enable X3 crop with a wide angle lens like the 11-22mm or 10-18mm. I plan on making a video about this too. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ Sounds good. Thanks a lot! But why would u use crop mode with wide angle lense if you can use basic 18mm+ lense without any crop? Or crop is not really necessary (sorry for that kind of questions, i'm really new to this..)
@@mikejaputz5570 No that's okay. The crop removes aliasing. It's very clean compared to the uncropped 1.6x 1080 mode. All you do is press the "set" button and your in X3 crop modes, press it again and you're out of it. So it's a choice 👍
any suggestions for a really wide cine lens like cosmicar but wider then 16? i love the look of the vintage cine but would like maybe 10mm or wider...do-able?
I use the cosmicar 12.5mm. There is also schneider 10mm, zeiss 10mm and angenieux 10mm. There are also 12.5-75mm c mount lenses
You could use two SD cards, one for ML, and one for Canon in the EOS. Great video! Did you use green screen? Love the small detail work of zooming in and audio is👌
No green screen haha 😂 cheers!
using mlv app on windows 10, trying to convert from .mlv, to which ever I like. after export, mlv app says ''export is ready'', but when I go to locate my file, it's not there. and no amount of windows searching finds it, maybe mlv app, doesn't like windows 10??
When you load MLV App, don't remove that black pop up window otherwise it may cause disruption with the export.
See how that goes, if not, then You can communicate this in the ML Forum for MLV APP:
www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=20025.msg235904;topicseen#msg235904
@@ZeekEOSZ thanks mate will suss it tomorrow. 👍
Thanks again Zeek, worked fine next time around after downloading an x64 version of mlv app, and also, I notched a whole bunch of files that I assume need to stay in the original dir. and also, the CMD .BIN thing seems to work too! Thanks! keep the video's coming!
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Hey Zeek, great couple of videos I watched, I just discovered you. I just had a quick look at Magic Lantern's page, I only see the EOS M camera being supported there, but it looks like you are using ML on the EOS M50 with it no problems it seems, is just not fully supported or such? I'm considering getting the EOS M50 cause of the dual pixel focusing and the articulated screen, rather than the EOS M, even though I did like it quite a lot, but very hard to see the screen, I'm getting old and my eye sight is failing me.
I had a EOS M a few years ago and was using ML firmware on it with good results, although the latest Canon firmware would render ML un usable, is that still the case or has it been updated to work with the latest Canon EOS M firmware? Thanks for the great videos, I'll keep looking :)
The M50 has no Magic Lantern Raw. Development hasn't progressed much hence no news. The is magic lantern for the latest Eos m build but it's still a bit sketchy. You're better off with Firmware 2.0.2
Thanks for the reply. Take care Zesk.
What's the viewfinder you use for the EOS M? I didn't see it in the description.
It's a Viewfinder V6 for the EOS M/3" screens. It's magnetic. You need to stick a frame on the EOS M Screen and then attach the viewfinder.
Hi Zeek! Is ML available on m50 or only Canon M?
Only the M unfortunately
The M50 has Magic Lantern firmware for it too, right?
I read some articles. And it says EOS M50 at base ISO 100 gives out 13.4 stops of dynamic range. What do you think?
I think it depends on the lens that you used for the M.
Can u show how we can use magic lantern in m50?
It's not running on the M50, otherwise I'd love to.
Mlv is free to download ? Can be used to do colour grading for any movie ?
Would it be OK to Put a C-Mount lens on a C-mount to EF adapter app-on an EF to EFM speed booster?
Do you also use Magic Lantern on your EOS M50 ?
I can't, not available
why does the eos m looks sharper in many of those clips, especially on the textures of the tree/branches? its hard to believe... haha! man... eos m is like... miraculous.
The RAW higher bitrate preserves more details in shadows. There were several shots that the M was a clear winner with the shadow details.
The M50 4K isn't true 4K it seems, there's some upscaling going on. Also M50 footage is compressed, the footage does look quite soft out of camera so some post sharpening is required.
@@ZeekEOSZ , its 8-BIT 4.2.0 so the scale isn't justified with 4K resolutions because its technically copying pixels, i think. This gives off the illusion that its sharper, at least with Sony cameras. I think Canon lowers the sharpness by default. In general, you cant really trust 8-BIT 4K because the extra resolution needs higher than 8-BIT 4.2.0 DEPTH to justify even 1080p. I edit on a 4K 10-BIT display with decent HDR so the EOS-M shines on it when i look at its original RAW 12-BIT 4.4.4. The majority do not have displays to see true HDR benefits but one day maybe they will haha. Its crazy how companies get away with marketing "HDR, HDR10" TVs but yet the majority of them cant really display HDR content due to being a 8-BIT display with barely enough nits to see a slight change in dynamic range compared to SDR, if any change.
you think ML will come for EOS R ???
Possible, as for time, I don't know.
There is currently progress for ML and the R/RP.
@@ZeekEOSZ ohhh.. wow i hope it comes for R/RP ... you the best thanks for the reply
is the m2 fully compatible with the G6 Plus G6 Max? On thier site on says M3 up is? Thinking wifi wise?
Hey zeek great video ...i just bought the eos m and I don't know which lens i should buy ...i want to do short films and b rolls and photography 😅 so basically everything but I'm on a tight budget (around $90) thanks ✌️
Canon EF-m Pancake 22mm, 7Artisans 25mm or Meike 25mm F1.8 are good too, otherwise 15-45/18-55 Kit.
thanks zeek ...take care :D
@@gokugoku1699 😉👍
@@gokugoku1699 The *7Artisans 25mm* (which, as you may know, becomes a 40mm field of view on the EOS M, because of the 1.6 crop) is one of the best cheap lenses you can buy for the EOS M. You can get it cheap on Wish dot com, although it generally takes longer to arrive than via Amazon or Ebay at a higher price. Except for the 22mm, you can buy any of these cheap lenses used and get them for well under $90 USD. Best Wishes!
Thanks so much for the info man😃✌️...all the best
Love your videos, Zeek! Quick question, will I be able to use track mode on Ronin-SC using the EOS M?
I haven't used the Ronin before. The M has no wi-fi/Bluetooth, but if it's only the smartphone & gimbal it should be okay
@@ZeekEOSZ Thanks mate! Your work is really good and helpful. Have a good day. :)
@@bnhmb6523 Cheers 👍
@Zeek. Can you share the picture profile settings you used on the m50 and/or the lut you work with on it? thanks.
I used Cinestyle, just dropped the files into Davinci without using LUTs. I just corrected exposure.
@@ZeekEOSZ Oh, sounds pretty easy. Thanks
how does the m50 perform with magic lantarn?
Where did you Buy EOS m50 camara Cage ?
How many eos m you have:)?
Had 5, now about 4.
Yeah, it looks like I need to find another canon eos M instead of murder my savings account to buy the m50. I was hesitant to buy the c lens, it looks its gonna be a worth it purchase. BTW master Zeek, I'm hoping to see soon your opinion on which full frame canon to use with magic lantern and what would be the benefits.
Best Full Frame Canon is 5D3. No aliasing in 1080p, and has SD + CF Card Slot.
No magic lantern for M50?
Its the same m50 and m1
For social media...
Profesional C500
Very nice comparison, I am impressed how you manage to have the same colour look between the two camera in resolve I presume. I like most the color depth of EOS M that seem reacher in some shot. The sharpness seems to be a little bit better in some shot on the M except on portrait shot shot in the garden at 7 min 06s. In fact after good looking, it seems that the depth of field is a little higher on the M50 giving the face more detail. Thank you for your talent, experimentation and sharing of your experience. This help us a lot to improve hour skills and inspire me. Keep on going and have a good day.
No problem! Both are nice cameras for price, I do like the M more though for pure cinematography on a budget, but the M50 would be a better RUclips/photography/quick video snap choice. 👍
Ahora tengo estas dos cámaras!
Please reply, the M3 and m50 which one is better?
M50
between the 6d and M; which would you choose to go with getting 16mm look/RAW (magic lantern supports both)? thanks! love ur vids
Eos m. It works with C mount lenses and Canon FD etc
Sir can i record 1080p raw continuously on canon eos m and on 700d
Yes
How long can you shoot continuously in 4K with the EOS M? If it's limited to 2 minutes... it looks good but it's worthless.
Hey Zeek! Do you know if the 650D/t4i performs as well as the EOS M with ML RAW 2.5k? Seems to have more or less similar architecture w DIGIC 5 processor. Looking for something that matches the EOS M picture quality.
650D/700D should be fine. They just don't get the adaptability to speedboosters and other lenses. Those cameras should do fine, though I've never seen their footage with 2.5K Raw.
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah that’s what I was thinking. I have 2 x EOS M w speed boosters and I’m thinking a 650D or 750D will compliment them beautifully for a 3 camera shoot utilising ML auto restart recording for constant coverage. Plan is to stagger recording start for redundancy and to shoot a set up from 3 seperate angles simultaneously. I have multiple lenses and can rent if need be. Thoughts?
@@RhythmicEye
Yeah that should be fine. Not sure of the recording limits with those cameras in 2.5K, should be similar to the M. The 650D/700D should be a good addition. There's more info on the ML Forum around these cameras 😎👍
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah after all these years I finally joined the ML forum. It’s a fantastic resource but overwhelming at first, I’m still in stealth mode as I see the devs get a bit annoyed at people asking repeatedly the same questions. Great collaborative group though. Hopefully I can contribute something of value soon. Thanks for all you do!, greatly appreciated.
@@RhythmicEye Never be afraid to ask questions haha 😉👌🔥
No problem, good luck!
Can you do a video on how to stack and use filters?
I use a CPL + Variable ND 2-in-1 Filter. I used a song Fotga 52mm Variable ND in this video though love them for the price.
Zeek have you tried 16mm f1.4 sigma
No I haven't
The foutage of yours standing and talking at 30sec looks awsm. Which lens was that..?
That was with the A7C + Sony FE 28mm F/2 which was the lens used for the whole shoot in Full-Frame & APS-C Modes.
@@ZeekEOSZ Thank you that looks amazing
Which camera u record this video
Sony A7C
I installed magic lantern in my eos m n camera got so slow. Not performing normal. I got the 8gb card. So any solution for that?
Use SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB and above
For m50 4k raw, what is the frame rate we can get?
Have you tried magic lantern on the M50?
There is no ML on M50
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