James and Jennifer Crumbley hearing: horse farm owner said mom referred to Ethan as 'weird'
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2022
- Kira Pennock, the owner of a farm in northern Oakland County boarded and took care of the Crumbley's two horses. Her testimony included how she knew the couple and her communications with Jennifer before and after the shooting took place at Oxford High School
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He wasn’t spending time alone. He was LEFT alone.
And will now for the rest of his life in prison feel alone. Through this entire process they have not shown unconditional love to that child. I doubt she ever told him she loved him. I hope they both rot in prison.
She considered her son as weird. That his behavior is alarming but yet u buy him a gun smh.
*Their kid truly never stood a chance with parents like these, did he?* 😳
No. They are a curse on that boy...😔
Poor, little thing, tsk, tsk. Never knowing that KILLING IS WRONG. Poor, innocent little darling. GTFOH 🙄
@@ponygirlusa stop. Your attitude doesn’t help anything.
@@penyarol83 i don't blame her attitude. You cannot help that monster, put more energy on the victims and their family. He does need to pay for his crime in jail.
@@redheadsarenotdeadred4562 I do blame her attitude. It's exactly thinking people are monsters that turns them into monsters or makes them stay that way or get worse. All we do as a society is make things worse, we never actually heal or solve these kinds of things. We need to start having a healing attitude and watch things magically get better. Everyone is born an innocent baby, no one is born a monster. If we actually paid attention to what people experience in this life and in their formative years, if we actually tried to understand them instead of just blame and punish, we could prevent and heal so much heartache and destruction.
0:46 Kira Pennock to stand
4:01 Jennifer Crumbley purchased second horse in feb 2021 for 5k
4:48 Kira says JenC was drunk when she purchased horse
7:23 J&J seen at horse farm 3-4 days a week, usually 3 hours
11:06 Ethan only seen at farm "maybe once or twice"
12:27 marital issues, james lookin 4 hot singles in area
13:30 Ethan takes responsibility for lookin up hot singles
14:09 jenc did not talk about ethan "a whole lot"
14:39 no friends, played online games
15:03 "weird"
15:39 "he doesn't do normal kid things"
15:56 james seen at barn on 11/30th tuesday morning
18:26 txt messages between kira + jen on nov 30th
21:23 "K I'll bring some out later. Just had to go to my sons school and met his counselor shit day"
22:23 Jen sends Ethats drawing to Kira
25:21 Jen says ethan will be coming with her to horse farm because "he cant be left alone"
26:08 Kira suggests Horse therapy for Ethan, Jen replies "he needs something"
26:23 Tuesday 2:36pm "Kira I won't be there tonight"
28:27 4:42pm "i need to sell my horses stat" -jenc
31:40 "did you ever hear either one talking about getting ethan therapy?" "no"
35:38 talked more about horses than ethan
41:00 "i'm balling right now kira. My son ruined so many lives today"
43:00 Kira texts "I know you and James. this doesnt even remotely make me think it's your fault. It sounds like Ethan was a troubled kid"
44:30 JenC "I wish we had warnings, something, he's a good kid that made a terrible decision"
45:29 Kira responds "there probably were warnings but no one saw them. Hindsight is always 20/20"
50:00 kira worries j&j will come back to farm
50:18 Jen says they are headed to safe place for a couple of days
Thanks for the index. Really useful and well done!!
Thank you so much!
Thank you
Thanks so much for breaking down this sad testimony
She literally did not say she was drunk she said she had been drinking and when they asked was she drunk she said she had just been drinking
This is actually very important testimony. It shows that the parents, James and Jennifer, care more about the horses than they do about their son. They spend well over $1000/mo on the horses and visit the horses 3 or 4 times per week. Maybe if they spent more effort with their son he wouldn't have gone on a shooting spree.
Exactly it shows probable cause which is what this hearing is about people better think twice before they be using these phones for all the stuff that it's being use for cuz you can see how bad( in good way) these policemen are they can pull up and find ANYTHING they want to find or need to find and it won't be no hearsay
and the defence are really struggling to come up with anything viable to counter that impression
They spent money to give their son a GUN. They're very bizarre, imo
Exactly, and they were 11 months behind on their house payments!
@@Patricia-uu6wo I mean they can find anything! That was my son's job it is a really hard job, but they can reach out and find anything they want 💪🏾💪🏾
They sure spend more time with those horses than spending any family time with their “weird” kid. Negligence 🙄
If they abandoned the horses, you would cry about "animal abuse." You just can't win with you Marxists.
@@whodoesntlikesurfing what the fuck does karl have to do with animal abuse?
I used to run a horse boarding facility. I’d joke about people caring about their horses more than their children. NEVER, did I think I’d see such a extreme example of that very thing.
They don't care about the horses more than their son. Ethan is Jennifer's only child. The horses are the first thing they decided to sell when this tragedy unfolded. She decided to do this before they were even charged with involuntary manslaughter. Karen is so ridiculous and desperate to find evidence against these parents, while she shows sympathy for grossly negligent Shawn Hopkins! Shes letting Oxford High get away with their culpability.
@@braindirt7499 I’m sure their attorneys told them to sell the horses immediately. I’m sure the attorney’s also told them there was a chance they would get charged and be in jail. The boarding cost over $1000 a month and that was for field board. Meaning they had to do more care of their horses than someone paying for full care board. So hopefully you can see how they would have to sell their horses. Plus they had to pay retainer fees for their attorney's. Note, their son has a public defender. I’m sure the prosecution has much more on them as we are only looking at the preliminary trial. If other charges get filed against the school or whoever that would be a totally separate case.
@@cattnipp Why would I do that on here?
That is a sad statement indeed!
This is a ridiculous statement-just because they had a hobby (a healthy hobby at that) of riding their horses, didn’t mean they didn’t spend day after day trying to get thru to him! So what if she took the training classes for an hour or so three times a week!! that’s no different that other moms who go to they gym for an hour or more everyday, then maybe also having other hobbies such as painting that take up a lot of time, on top of working. Moms need outlets to release stress and have fun also! There are THOUSANDS of kids right now as I’m typing this that live in MUCH worse circumstances than Ethan did, and they aren’t going to shoot up schools. So you can’t just automatically blame parents. For instance-I have a 14 yr old son and a 7 yr old son….my 14 yr old is also an introvert by nature and he enjoys playing his PlayStation games. But he’s not out there doing drugs, having sex, drinking alcohol etc. I’ve looked into therapy for him bc I do notice that he’s perfectly fine being alone. However, his teachers email me all the time and tell me he is amazing at school and very outgoing. He’s even in theatre class now which blows my mind. He makes straight A’s and is very smart. But by the time he gets off school, he’s ready to get on his game and talk to his friends on there while playing together. Now I also have hobbies that don’t include him. That doesn’t mean if he shot up a school that I should be jailed too!!you can’t change your childrens PERSONALITY. You can only love them and try to understand them. Now it would be different if he became hooked on drugs or something-at least I would know the reason behind the behavior, and we can get him off the drugs and he would be back to normal like all the other kids. But when we’re talking about our children and their kids personality and core, it’s hard to just “fix” that. Also, I keep seeing ppl say “if she made him go to therapy, it might have prevented this.” ……………
That’s total B.S. Now of course therapy helps Many people. However there are also just as many as it doesnOR
I'm surprised he didn't take his anger out on his parents and their horses. If only Ethan piggybacked his parents, learned how to trot properly and insisted on being boarded at the horse farm.
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If I had one little thought that my child was depressed, weird, and having issues at school no way in hell would I give him a gun as a gift I also would have taken my child home that fateful day. The Crumbleys totally looked the other way Ethan obviously needed help and now 4 kids lost their lives 💔 😢
I agree with the gun part! But, sometimes you need to work to pay the bills! So yeah! Me I could have been threated with my job & would be there for my kids! And god knows I hafto work i'm not independantly wealthy! Then again I do not own horses or pay to board them either I couldn't afford them!
Let’s not forget how much the school failed all those children as well. My kid punches someone in the face while defending himself and he must be removed from school immediately. This kid is suicidal and looks up ammunition in school and they leave him in a separate room while still having access to the entire school and the People in it. The school gave him the opportunity yo carry out his plans.
I shouldn’t put them in the same conversation but if we’re talking about kids that lost there lives because of these parents there would be 5
@@subswithnovideoCHALLANGE-fx6en Absolutely agree with this comment
Exactly! What kind of parent gives their depressed teen who has no friends a gun as a gift?? And then to not even secure that gun somewhere that their son wouldn't be able to access it..I mean.. were they hoping he would use it on himself or? WTH???
Unfortunately, we do not pass any tests to become a parent. The parents were more focused on themselves.
As an parent of a horse girl in metamora, the most boring thing to do is hang at a barn and watch someone else have a riding lesson. So Jennifer’s idea of taking Ethan to the barn that night is so selfish. Clearly she thought his drawings were troubling… but her reaction and go forward plan was not in Ethan’s best interest
If she had of cancelled her lesson that night and spent some time with her son talking about why he drew what he did, things might have turned out a lot differently..
@@yvonneentrekin3110 Thats where i learned to drink light beer and spit tobacco
Wow I grew up in metamora.. my great-grandfather owned the gas station that was there on the four corners across from the white horse inn, in my uncle owned the Andress grocery market that was also in town.. a lot of good memories!
You are correct. It’s important to know that humans are free moral agents with the ability to choose; to make choices. The psychopath killer chose to murder his classmates. His parents may be revealed to be deficient in parenting skills, but the psychopath is responsible for his choice to bring a weapon to school and target innocent students. I support the death penalty as the psychopath has forfeited his right to live amongst humans. I support shooting him in the heart with his own gun. Yes, I know it’s severe but his hideous crime deserves a severe penalty. Lots of young men are raised in dysfunctional families; 99.9 % don’t take a tool of death to school and murder their classmates. I support 20 years in prison for both parents. It gives me no pleasure making these statements. I am weary living in a violent society. I thought America would repent and change after Sandy Hook- I was wrong.
@@yvonneentrekin3110 not sure if she went to the barn Monday night after Ethan was observed searching ammo websites… her idea of barn time watching mom ride was made after meeting with counselors at school and before the carnage took place. Too late at that point
Imagine being ethan crumbly and listening to this hearing and realizing your mom cared a million times more about the horse than himself.
You think he didn't already know that 🤔
Im sure he felt it. 💔
@@TheOneanjel Sometimes hearing people discuss it outside yourself explicitly is when it REALLY dawns on you. I'm sure ethan knew she really preferred the horses, but in the presence of all of this testimony in court, I'm sure it's become glaringly clear HOW MUCH she cared for her horse and how VERY LITTLE his mom cared about him. I'm almost certain his mom would have been plenty happy if Ethan had died during this incident. She's definitely missing the whole maternal/child attachment thing entirely. Maybe even bordering along the line of being a psychopath.
I doubt Ethan is hearing this as his case is separated from his parents.
But just the fact they are paying for their legal team and Ethan has court appointed.
its horrible.
The parent dug their own hole when they tried to hide their cell phones, bought identical replacements and disposable phones to try to fool the police then tried to flee and hide from LE. Every time they were in court they kept communicating with each other, including on zoom court, when they had repeatedly been told not to communicate. They are in court because they neglected their responsibility as parents and refused to take their child out of school after the school Admin asked them to take him home and get counseling for him ASAP.
@Carol Watkins are you white by chance? You mention your son as black like that had to be said. You didn’t mention your race so I’m assuming you’re white. You said your son needed to be picked up for talking out of turn or he’s going to turn over to CPS? There has to be more to that story.
You also commented that politics and sex is being taught this leads to think you have some issues. Are you there talking with your son’s teacher or reading the syllabus to see what is being taught during each semester. Politics is in the news because of racist segment of society doesn’t want the truth coming out about America’s history. The thing is a lot of kids are rebelling against this logic and want the truth to come out and will seek it themselves. You said sex is also being taught. I don’t know if you mean health or sex education. Either way, the better a kid knows about their body it's better for them.
@Carol Watkins Yes he has awful parents!
Some schools take simple misbehaving to an extreme these days since corporal punishment isn't allowed. The best Principal we ever had never paddled anyone that I know of. We would see him put his arm around one of the big boys shoulders and walk across the campus talking to him and once they came back it was all good. Everyone loved him😊😊
@Carol Watkins You asked some very important questions.. What happened to Teaching kids what is needed to get a job, be successful in life and morals??
School officials are just as guilty, failed Ethan just as hard. All they had to do was call CPS when parents refused to take Ethan off school grounds, let CPS takeover. But no one did anything, just let a killer-in-waiting stay at school despite obvious warning signs. They all need to be charged equally as the parents have been, let a jury decide.
And they ran away to another city to hide out, leaving their son to his fate. With parents such as these one does not need enemies.
As a mother JC is clueless and or negligent in loving and truly caring for her son. Mothers,usually, if they describe their son as Weird would look into why son is weird and get him seen by professionals. God…they neglected Ethan. Ethan must have felt so lonely, left out and unloved. I’m sad for Ethan.
@@renanphillips1479 You can be upset that he killed a lot of people but also feel bad that he had a terrible home life. No one's saying it's either or.
@@pisto30 well said
Man stfu 🤬& free the crumbleys they're innocent on my momma 😬😂🤣😅
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Disagree.
Leave them alone. "Modern" society has hamstrung parental controls alot. He knew full well what he was doing, not their fault whatsoever. Again, if he's charged as an adult then they're not responsible it's one or the other.
@@seeviegeenie how were they hamstrung?
Riding horse's and caring for animal's is therapeutic for children. Yet these Parent's dont include their Son. Mom is disconnected from her Son. And didn't seem to like him. Neglect.
If we had any proof that those two accusations were true, they still wouldn't be neglect. We have much more factual evidence showing the had a close friendship type relationship than a disconnected one.
Ethan did not care too much for the horses and wanted to remain at home to play video games
@@Mandy-nt2cs are you sure? The literal definition of neglect is to fail to care for properly. Not seeking medical attention for a child who is CLEARLY sick is literally neglect.. ignoring their needs and Utilizing time and resources for own personal ones and leisure is literally fucking neglect.
@Mandy-nt2cs are his parents political? His dad looks like a Weasley anarchist or communist
Justice for Oxford High School Students and their families!!
Why? Rittenhouse's victims never got any justice, so why should Ethan's? Why does Rittenhouse have MORE of a right to defend himself than Ethan?
@@whodoesntlikesurfing what was Ethan defending against???
@@bigsnacks6485 Bullies. One of the clowns tried to "disarm" (aka assault) him
How do you afford horses but no have your kid go see a counselor
Priorities.
Taking care of horses is a form of therapy. Feeding, grooming and all involved connects with living creatures.
Also, not to pay for HIS legal defense, only THEIRS.
@@dianeambrose683 that's great for the parents but it didn't help Ethan
@@michelesmith2620 I'm assuming thats because they know he has no fighting chance in hell to be free so why spend top dollars to retain a pricey attorney whereas their case is all based on the strength, savyness and skill of the attorney. In that case id pay top dollar!
Your only child and your spending all the treatments and “fun” things on horses. Smdh, no wonder that boy lost his damn mind!! My son doesn’t have friends but we also spend time together daily. I just can’t imagine!! WHY?!
Hope your efforts and expertise aren't wasted.
Great job and I’m sending him all the good thoughts cause friends and all of that are coming! Life literally changes once you grow up, it’s so hard to get there sometimes.
@@jccota08 kids are so mean these days! I told him most of the friends you make in school, are not going to be there once you start your life. I fear of him getting mixed up in the wrong crowd. Your comment is so true and thank you!!
2 horses and 7 phones. These parents are shameful
Hopefully this sets a precedent...these parents are defendants because of their negligence and parenting choice issues. All parents that have children that commit horrible crimes or are illegally having guns need to be investigated and charged if warranted. Doesn't matter of if the parents are rich or poor. Race should not come into play. Whether you live in a mansion or in poverty....parents of all walks NEED TO BE INVESTIGATEED FOR POSSIBLE ACCOUNTABILITY issues.
Right the hell on!👍👏
Yes, it's about time that parents are held accountable for the actions of their kids.
@@donnaa7226 it USED to be this way! What the hell happened to this country??
There gun was legal. No one knows how they were as parents. They have all sat on here like judge Judy assuming what text messages meant etc etc. Every one of them wrong.
They aren’t being charged for negligence! They are being charged for involuntary manslaughter which is why the charges won’t stick
These parents bought him the gun hoping that he would commit suicide. Instead, "they" committed murder. I really have a hard time understanding how horses ever got caught up in this insanity.
U know what?....I never looked at it that way. But after some thinking... that definitely makes sense
Deepest condolences to the families of all the victims....May God bless an console you as only He can 💔
It’s sad families have to be affected by a family like this
Edit: effected or affected can’t remember which one to put
@@Grant-co5ef Me too. Affect is a verb, effect is a noun.
@@richiejohnson that’s very helpful information
@@Grant-co5ef I have struggled with the correct usage of effect and affect for decades. Affect is a verb and effect is a noun. Gun violence has affected school safety. The effect is parents are home schooling their children more than ever.
@@Betina17 effect is a verb as well ,always Google the word , and get correct information.
If they started doin this more often bet you'd see a decline in crime nationwide...goin after the parents, that is
Yep. That’s the one thing we don’t do, and need to. This is where violence and dysfunction start, in the home growing up. We need more vigilance, accountability and correction for parents
If they just went back to prosecuting criminals period probably be less crime than right now , now criminals don’t go to jail, low or no bond , even with a 30 pg rap sheet you can thank Biden and all these “ go with the flow” state attorneys and wiped judges …
Maybe they weren’t the best parent’s… but, I think the 2 things they should have done differently is take him home whenever they saw that drawing and never give him a gun.
Yep. A lot of parents aren't the best parents...actually most, to be honest. BUT something should have been done ahead of time and I certainly wouldn't have given him a damn gun.
I don't think they thought they be held accountable for his actions. It's about time they start holding the parent of mass murders accountable when applicable
My heart goes out to these families & community.
I release ministering angels from The Most Hight (yhwh) in His name (Jesus)
It seems to me the text the mom sent her after the shooting saying she wished there’d been warning signs was calculated. The mother knew she’d confided to her about Ethan not being normal and, most damagingly, had sent her the violent drawing he’d done on which he’d written, “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”. So mom was trying to say that she hadn’t considered it significant, so it wouldn’t look like she’d ignored warnings of issues that needed attention. I think she sent this woman a pic of the drawing to see what her reaction was, to get feedback about it to determine how seriously to take it.
The parents bought him a gun, they were crappy crappy parents! They should be held accountable, like others that have not been. If these parents had been being responsible and good parents this never would have happened.
❤A LOVELY MOTHER❤
Telling others that her son is WEIRD.is.a noble, kind gesture from her !!
I AM IMPRESSED ❤❤
The horse world is full of extreme characters. It is too expensive for most, so many end up broke inorder to play the game instead of accepting the truth that they can't afford horses. In those cases someone is going to suffer. Unfortunately their son who needed more attention, failed to receive it. We now know the heartbreaking results, unfortunately. May all involved find peace some how, some way.
Yes!! I bought a Farm years ago that was run down. The family owned horses, it was very obvious where their money went. The house fell into disrepair while most of their income went to their hobby.
Wow. I agree 99.9%
The "horse" part is completely unnecessary.
@@jlockwood65 yes! Drunk Buying a second horse while not paying your mortgage for months is so off the charts in my opinion
Yep. It’s why I stick to cats.
Putting money into horses isn't what made them bad parents. It's a symptom of being bad parents.
If my child drew that on a math test and I was called into the school….I would scoop up my child in my arms, protect him from the world, and immediately take him out of school to get him the help he needs whatever it took. My child’s health would be top priority. These people cared so little about their son…they basically ignored him and neglected him…so very sad.
The one good thing about this is it puts all gun owners on notice. Control your weapons or be held accountable. It's all very tragic.
Nothing good about this at all , and there where already irresponsible gun owners before and this won’t change it the past school shootings all over the country has not changed the irresponsible this is no diff.
I was often an emotional mess so, in therapy, I finally discovered that my "weird" emotional problems were the direct consequence of BAD PARENTING and that my parents were also the victims of bad parenting. Therapy helped me undo some of the emotional damages from bad parenting. It's possible that some of my "weirdness" was genetic but mostly it was about BAD PARENTING. Most societies refuse to honestly examine parents & parenting so, bad parenting keeps turning out: killers, rapists, criminals of every kind and endless misery for everyone that their emotionally damaged kids touch.
Sadly that is many peoples experience. It is certainly my experience. I can actually see some similarities between Ethan’s parents and mine. Poor parenting is extremely damaging.
Mine were abusive mentally and physically. My mother is 82 and asked me last week if she did anything right and I was trying so hard to think of something to say but she interrupted me “did u hear me?” Yes I’m thinking….now I should have said bc of u 2, I was a loving, caring, on hands mother that never put my hands on my daughters in anger. I supported them in their endeavors and I was very involved in school and extracurricular activities. I always listened to them and everything I did was for them. I had wanted to move out of state but when they were in high school they cried and didn’t want to do I stayed and they were very achieved in academics and in dance team etc. I only wish my parents had done one thing that would have made me think they loved and cared about me but they never did. My dad died a year after he hit me and broke my glasses, I was 32. My mother is vindictive and controlling and the biggest liar I have ever met and at her age she has not slowed down. She must be the poster child of narcissistic abuser with a side of paranoid schizophrenia. Just pray about it and it’ll be alright(no, bc she is still here) she manipulates every conversation with my kids, my step dad, his daughters. She’s a monster. I do wonder how I didn’t end up just smashing her mouth so that she could never speak again.
I believe we are all weird in our own special way.
Agree.
@@tinawindham6958 I am glad you were able to be happy and produce healthy adults. Wish I had turned mine around.
So they spent the equivalent each week of a part-time job with their horses. But when their child was disturbed at school they couldn't find the time to take him out that one day? Wow.
It’s because they have no respect for the school administrators. “Just don’t get caught.” It’s amazing to me reading comments blaming the school for not searching a backpack but not blaming the mom and dad.
I’m feeling more and more sorry for Ethan. He belongs in prison for the rest of his life, but I also hope he can finally get the help he needs. All of this could have been avoided years ago. I know the prosecutor said they were looking into also charging the school, which they definitely should, but I haven’t heard anything since.
I agree. He deserves the max sentence but there is absolutely nothing he could have done or said to make his parents get him help. The administrators will have civil lawsuits to deal with, but it would be difficult to prosecute them criminally
Seems like "sympathy for the devil," but I agree. Killers like Ethan are made, not born. So many of my friends' parents acted more like friends, didn't give guidance or discipline. I think that played a role here. Parents didn't even know he kept a bird's head in his room for 6 months. Shows me they gave him "his space" and privacy. BIG mistake in this case. They didn't even know their son.
His parents failed him big time
He cannot get the help he needs in prison! If he gets help, it’s undone by the cold and vicious culture of the prison itself. It’s a horrible road map.
Oh he's most definitely not going to get the help he needs in prison! Evidenced by the repeat offenders where services are simply paid for to make it seem like they're receiving rehabilitation! The only models of true rehabilitation are in prisons overseas that know 95% will return to society, yet these here forget people are sent to prison as punishment not to be further punished once they're incarcerated. He's going to prison but with these parents being charged it's setting a dangerous precident that will continue to be used in the least way if their convictions stand. These are usually family court issues and now they're trying to take it to a criminal level. And my point is they should have known but how many kids are neglected in some way when parents are having relationship issues and the kids get into trouble?? You don't particularly know those statistics yet because as I said they're usually held in family or civil court. And maybe they're just ignorant or any vices kept them from focusing on actual problem areas with their sons behavior.
Come on they knew their kid was weird. They should’ve got help for the kid instead of loving their horses more
Yes. And sold one of the horses so they could catch up on their house payments!! That's scary to be that far behind!
Okay so the mother states that her son was weird? had no friends. So she went out and bought him a gun. Was she hoping that he would end his life so she wouldn't have to deal with Him Anymore? Does anybody else feel this way? Just wondering
Thats a great point.
So awful
These two
Never thought of that. Or it could be that they just did not put a lot of thought into it and instead like many parents do these days and “buy” their kids to make them happy.
This same thing crossed my mind more than once..
Why did the mother tell everything going on in her life to everybody she met? Like nobody wants to know how your love life is going especially if we are not even friends. Also why send a picture of Ethan’s drawings to the horse lady? Almost seems like she wanted everybody to know her son was all messed up.
Better question yet, why are you obsessing over people you never knew and will never meet? How do you even know that she had horses? Did you see them? How do you even know that this incident took place? Were you there?
@@whodoesntlikesurfing yes I live like like 20 mins from that school and know people that go to that school AND that know her so please hop off my tip. Also this video clearly states she had horses… I mean the horse lady is testifying because she was literally taking care of her horses.
@@josearriaga4197 Yeah, sure. And because a fake news media organization stated that she had horses, it HAS to be true. They even brought in a witness!!!
@@whodoesntlikesurfing bro what are you even saying? Let me guess you think this video from the courtroom is fake and there all actors?
@@whodoesntlikesurfing 🤣🤣🤣🤣 She’s literally testifying under oath about horses, with pictures, text messages, and first hand conversations. Lol. Too funny!
The defense took it's sweet time to milk all the details outta that girl in an effort to paint the mom in a positive light, then the prosecutor comes in with like four or five questions and annihilates her entire pretty picture in a matter of seconds. Lol.
I think these attorneys are very inexperienced. The prosecutor shredded their attempt!
The closed captions are for the Puppy Bowl. Hahaha, what the deuce?!!
Hack the planet 2777
Wow these two really have their priorities messed up. I hope they get everything they deserve and then some.
As a woman who worked with children and teens all her life, I see troubling signs in this teenage young man. I know when I was responsible for children in my home, everything after school was centered around the kids and their care. I checked their backpacks on a daily basis before and after school for homework, they had pencils, pens, paper, lunch for the day, etc. EVERY MORNING AND AFTERNOON. My kids were so used to it that they just simply handed me their backpacks in a line youngest to oldest. It was a routine. Now, that being said, I know not all parents do that and not doing that does not make you a bad parent. It is just food for thought to all the parents out there. Establishing a routine such as this not only gives you a chance to check twice a day what is going on in your kids lives but it also gives your children a sense that you took the time to check in on them and what they are taking to and bringing home from school each and every day. We made it a fun routine everyday and as we did it, their lunch that they packed themselves that morning went into the backpack. When I say, "I checked the backpack." I physically looked in it and rummaged through it, LITTERALLY! EVERY COMPARTMENT. If you think about it, it only takes 3-5 minutes each time and it puts the kids on notice in a fun way that you know what is in the backpack.
You are what is called a Helicopter Parent, and have caused so much anxiety in your kids. That is nothing to be proud of.
@@andrewbarnett84 I get what you mean, but if Ethan's parent did check his bag they would find his gun so it's such a catch 22 situation
As a girl who really likes things in order, I never liked my mom touching any of my stuff. From as young as 2nd grade. My mom also trusted me so I think there was no need to strip search my belongings daily.
@@K119_ same here honestly, it's so hard what to say in this situation if his own mother thought his behaviour was weird and the school calling the parents in about his behaviour I would of checked his bag then you know? As a mum myself in that situation if I got a call about my child being mentally unwell I would make sure they got the help not buying a freaking gun for them but I don't live in the US so it's so hard to come by guns in the UK unless you have the connections to do so but it's so illegal
@@K119_ I agree with you. Just keep this small omitted fact in mind when I am referring to my own house. There were 8 children in my home (4 boys and 4 girls). Keeping track of everything had to be built into a routine to keep my sanity. The purpose was not to "strip search" per say. It was to keep supplies they would need daily in the classroom in eight backpacks and to make sure I had communication with each of the children concerning their school communication, school progress and homework. I also wanted to make sure they had a lunch of their choice in each backpack every day. As a result of this organization, it also allowed me to make sure nothing was in those backpacks that didn't need to be in them. Remember the focus was to keep supplies, homework, and parent teacher communication in them.
Obviously,that Mother cared so much more about her horses, than her damn son! Geez us.
its sad that a stranger can see him trying to reaching out MORE THAT his own parents
Yes I can identify her. She’s the one who hasn’t figured out how to properly wear a mask do it covers her nose.
It is probably fogging up her glasses like mine does so I have to pull it down from my nose for a bit so they will unfog.
@@yvonneentrekin3110 Well, since she isn't doing anything but sit therein shackles, she could have removed her glasses & worn the mask properly. Unlike someone like you who is fit to be free, she doesn't need to see. She needs to cover her germ hole. But, sociopaths gonna sociopath
@@angeladansie4378 LMAO.
Daddyboy: Oppositional defiant
in mask-wearing. Conduct disorders must run in the fam.
Fearful man ....🤔
I wish this attorney would use the microphone
I used to want a horse. Now, I’m just happy I can afford to look at them from my car. That sounds like a lot of work too.
You have good judgment. If you really want to take good care of your horse, besides the cost of boarding it, the vet bills are outrageous. If one has the urge to ride, just go to a reputable stable and pay by the hour.
It really is like having another child. Money money and money and time time and time.
They are honestly best in ones own property
Maybe you can have one one day. But if you do, be sure to care for your child first or include them in your hobby 😊
@@lovepet4565 only if you have plenty of room for them to run about and graze 😊
Lastly, I bet that Ethan's dad asked him to lie regarding those online searches for dates. That just doesn't sound like something a kid would be doing at his age. That right there is really messed up, and might have contributed to Ethan's overall rage. Wouldn't it be an interesting twist if dad said, ethan, if you lie for me, I'll get you anything you want as a present. We know where that ended up.
I agree with you on most of this. I think Ethan lied but not because James asked him to. I think Ethan sides with his Dad, generally. Jennifer seems like the one in charge of the family, and sounds extremely selfish.
Whoa mind blown 😳
The whole notion that a minor can't be charged as an adult was intended to place responsibility on the parents. It's about time we start actually prosecuting them instead of the cop-out bs of charging minors as adults.
Some minors are evil enough on their own to be charged as adults.
@@Anca820 well that would come out in a trial
Nope. Charge minors as adults and charge parents for their unruly childrens behavior
All their secrets are coming to light. Could you imagine your phone texts and conversations being told to the world. Parents should have been aware and reactive towards their sons issues. He asked for help. My opinion they bought him a gun. They are responsible for these senseless act of murder towards innocent people. Lock the up.
What the hell are these closed captions?
Was this a broadcasters conversation or another news report slipped in? Its absolutely bizarre and weird.
If they can afford horses they can afford counseling for their kid
This will have to be a new approach to cases such as these. Parents of most mass shooters should be held accountable
Exactly. This seems to be the start of something new.
However I worry it will take the responsibility and consequences from the child to the parent in an uneven manner
It's not always the parents fault. Many times the kids hide their thoughts & actions before the shooting. In this case, however, the kid made very clear that he was deeply troubled & the parents not only didn't get him the help he obviously needed, they went out & bought him the gun!
Absolutely.
@@angeladansie4378 yes, it is always the parents’ doing. Killers don’t just come out of nowhere. Parents need much more help and oversight. Many damaged people are having kids and severely damaging the kids. We need to be vigilant and involved.
@@Urm0mz how will it take the responsibility and consequences from the child to the parent in an uneven manner?
She told him don't get caught with the gun she bought. Huh? What kind of encouragement was she giving: Premeditation.
Shoutout to the wrongly-matched subtitles from a dog video for making this video less grim to watch
Any mother guilty of this kind of gross negligence of her own child deserves to rot in prison.
Geez! They take such good care of *horses* but can’t raise their son.
Dedicated to the horses, but not her son.
This is a fascinating insight into this family.
This woman is a great witness for the prosecution. Seems like the parents were not very worried about their child's mental health. More involved with their horses imho😕such a tragedy
More involved with the horses and their extra marital affairs.
Why is there a mic for the attorney's but not the witnesses? It's hard to hear her clearly.
Hopefully parents and schools learn to make better decisions as a result of this. My heart breaks for anyone affected by this tragedy,
I know Ethan did an awful thing and I don't condone it. But as a mom, I hope his grandparents have had a chance to hug him and remind him that he's loved. Because if his selfish narcissistic parents had taken even a Day out of their lives to show him they cared, he probably would have never done this. And I am not defending him. He made a huge huge disturbing error and it cost lives. I just feel for him as a mom... They cared more about putting cream on a horse's legs than hugging their son and getting him into therapy. And that's really sad for Ethan.
Remember that those grandparents raised his awful parents. Inter generational trauma is the worst. 😕
I personally wish my mom would have found a hobby that brings her happiness while I was growing up. She always seemed so unhappy and she actually believed that every breathing moment should be dedicated to kids. We were like her ball and chain. Her success and failure depended on us and that is not healthy.
Ethan's parents had more concern about their horses than they had for Ethan, and it was likely that way since Ethan started elementary school. What a pair they are! They could pay up to $5,000.00 more or less for two horses, and around $400.00 each to board them at a horse farm, and take riding lessens, but would not pay any money to get Ethan professional mental health care. They both knew Ethan had mental health issues, because the mother said her son was "weird."
I live approximately 5 to 8 miles away from Oxford High School northeast of my home, and approximately the same distance away from the Crumbly home. What in hell were they thinking, that they thought illegally purchasing their son a hand gun would fix all of Ethan's problems? Then after the shootings took place, all they thought about was fleeing the state and leaving Ethan to face the consequences of his actions without their support.
When Ethan's parents were caught in a warehouse/art studio near Detroit, they had purchased four new smart phones, had $4,000.00 in cash on them, with approximately another $2,000.00 available to them on their credit cards. The had purchased a new mattress at some point that day, that was delivered to the warehouse, and also bought a bottle of Vodka and a container of Orange Juice. If that wasn't preparing to leave the state, then I don't know what is! They both deserve to spend time in prison, on 4 counts each of involuntary manslaughter. I don't know if there are other charges against them, but knowing Sheriff Michael Bouchard's law enforcement career here, there will be other charges as well.
Excellent witness! She is a good kid.
She was suppose to keep his weird ass at home that day then
I feel bad for this kid an these parents are clearly being made an example out of....Its just sad all the way around for everyone involved.Rip to those poor kids takin to soon.
I agree.....they are trying to say they loved horses...so? Just because they never said their son have ever been to dr. Doesn't mean he has never been. The detective who was on stand actually helped them I think.....we sadly don't always see signs and no one ever expects their kids to do what he did. I feel for everyone in this mess.
I'll bet their problem child was really inconvenient with their other hobbies and interests... well, just let the community deal with it....
That didn't work out so well! Poor child. He would have been better off to have been adopted by loving parents at birth instead of this selfish pair!!
Unfortunately, his psych issues will now only be addressed sporadically, depending on availability of funds and qualified MH personnel in the MI State Penal System. But they undoubtedly WILL keep this kid downed out and docile.
They’re Criminals just like their son !!!!! Condolences 💐 to all their families and friends!!! Rest all of Gods beautiful souls!! Indeed Gone too soon💔💔💔🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Buying your child a gun is NOT a crime provided they're old enough to know how to use the tool. Even Boy Scouts used to teach firearms safety not too long ago. You must live in NYC or Honolulu to be so out-of-touch with society.
@@whodoesntlikesurfing nobody said it was illegal but extremely careless given how “ concerned “ they where would you give matches to a troubled kid a hope he doesn’t burn the house down ? & maybe if his parents got him in scouts or some kind of sport things might be diff. His mother even commented about how much screen time he had ? She must have had a hint
As the weeks roll on my hatred for this "family" continually grows. These 2 inept people(I won't call them parents ") ignored this kid and his repeated calls for help. Instead of getting him counseling, they bought him a gun and then abandoned him to face this alone. Ethan will spend the rest of his life behind bars in one form or another and rightfully so but his parents deserve at least 10 years apiece.
I don't know how this witness will help them win there case,they purchased a gun for their troubled child. His problem didn't just happened and this lady don't know enough about Ethan to help them.
She's a prosecution witness.
1. they have a witness that says the mother called her kid weird, thus knowing he was off and not as a normal kid. 2. that she had the time and money to seek services and were neglectful.
The day the school asked them to take him home, she said she cannot miss work and at times did not answer the calls from the school. The father who was a door dash driver also said he cannot miss work. They are building the case to show that the kid had issues and were neglectful and the mother did nothing to help him. Think like if a kid has a sickness and the parent does not take the kid to the doctor and they have a fever, and a severe rash and parents just go about the daily events. Send the kid to school. The school tries to get the parents on the phone and asks them to get the kid. Now, the kid is then very ill, and a doctor sees them and claims the kid could have been treated, but the parents ignored the symptoms. You can bet charges and neglect will be filed.
So they have money for guns and horses but none for a psychiatrist?
And another thing that's been bothering me you have to be over 18 to buy a gun and they bought a gun for a 14-year-old that right there is accessory to murder the parents should get as much time as he does
I think the horse questions are related to something where the parents we’re trying to sell horses quickly and they are trying to come up with the why. Either they loved their horses and wanted them taken care of because they won’t be able to, or were they trying to sell to rack up money to get outta dodge.
Coin hunny!
I think both..
From their actions before being arrested… get the money and run!
Probably not to “get out of dodge’ but maybe pay for legal counsel they kn there going to need
He HAD the gun. He USED the gun to kill four people and wound others. How are they arguing it wasn't "accessible"? Clearly he had access.
25?! She looks more likely to be 52 than 25. Poor girl, looks like the rustic farming cottage-core lifestyle has taken its toll on her
Give the parents life and the kid life in prison
even though the parents absolutely neglected the heck out of their son, both son and parents should be held accountable for their actions. the parents turning a blind eye to a son who thought a shootout was an idea to do despite needing serious help. If both parents and child had help, this would have been prevented 100%
I feel the school is partly responsible too.
You know how many parents take better care of their 4 legged kids then their 2 legged kids. They'll play with snowball the cat or gizmo the dog 24/7 and not even say hello to their own human child
She treated them horses better than her kid. What a complete disaster. How disgusting. 🤔
The closed captions are actually someone’s personal conversation. What the heck
Ahahha wtf fr saying that their boy cris a fleece jacket for Christmas wtf is 14:33
LMBO🤣.....I never seen someone say this, but it is true because everything comes up but the right thing. I've seen it myself until I tired of it and turn it off.
I call my kids weird all the time. That doesn't mean they are going to sh00t up a school.
This mom wouldnt answer her kids texts or calls. When he told her all the clothes jumped off the shelves she didnt respond.
What law did these Parents break? What law was broken by them?
@@PamelaH_HappyVibes Google search will answer your question.
@@PamelaH_HappyVibes @ about 11:55 the prosecutor touched on the issue. "If you're aware he poses a danger to the community," she had a duty to report or get counseling for him.
@@spicyirwin5835 was that in this video or another one? Thanks 🙏🏻
I almost got the impression the defense wanted them to be found guilty , asking the barn owner if Jennifer seemed to be very concerned about Earhen… if she was that “ concerned “ why did she not take him out of school & get him counseling as the school suggested ? Even after the drawings she wasn’t concerned enough to seek help for her son ….
The defense is just stupid... ummmmm
Hope they do as good of a job for these idiots as they did for Larry Nassar
Welp all I have to say is this.... Parents, if you keep making excuses for your child, you and them end here. When you make sure to teach your child Right from Wrong and they still make the decision to do wrong...THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. IF YOU BUY THEM A GUN ....YOU DO TOO!
25 years old😱😳
Same thing I said...
It seems Jennifer Crumbley was very preoccupied with her horses, work and her affair to focus on her sons problems and his need for attention.
The last minute of this vid is pure gold by the prosecutor
Man, they are going down..down. And they know it! Jennifer looks panicked sitting there before the interview.
How does a young 25 year old afford an expensive 52 acre horse farm in expensive Metamora, Michigan?
I went to school with a girl who started saving her money since she was 13 and bought a house at 19 if a child is responsible enough to save for what they want why couldn’t this horse trainer ? Maybe she saved & her parent helped her with the rest maybe she has a mortgage on the property when you buy a house with a mortgage you don’t say “ I have a home with a mortgage “ you say I bought a house “ and consider it your house maybe she had a mortgage on the property , it’s till considered “hers”and more importantly what does it matter? If she paid or how she paid has nothing to do with this case
Why she just couldn't inherit money and decided to purchase her dream farm. Don't assume just because your young, your parents didn't put money up for your future.
The dad was more interested in putting ointment on his horse -- ointment that the horse boarder could have put on -- then spending the afternoon looking for a therapist for his son. Same goes for the mom. She was wanting to get to that lesson in the afternoon rather than rearranging her schedule to do something positive and helpful for her son. These parents won't be able to say that they didn't have enough money for therapy because boarding the horse was already $400, and I don't know if that was for just one horse or multiple horses, plus they were paying for lessons and riding gear and more! If the mother came out there three times a week after work, she probably barely spoke two words to her son once she got home and got cleaned up etc. He would have had to do homework then go to bed. Sad.
True. 2 horses.
It was in the morning that he was medicating his horse. Ethan would (or should) have been in school.
That is only what was written in that text. You don't have any way to know what the mother's reasoning for texting that was. She may have been leaning on the barn help a lot and wanted to sound like she'd be there, with no intention of going. No one but she can know for a fact what she "wanted" to do, but her.
cost for one horse was 400x2 for both horses.
Don’t forget he had a dead bird head in his room for 6 months , how can a parent not kn for 6 months ? Where they not hm and so out of touch they didn’t even notice a smell coming from his room?
They failed this child and now other families had to bury their loved ones
It has always appeared to me that the Crumbley's cared about all of their activities, work, recreation, etc., before they cared about their son.
The boy's actions are both regrettable and it was likely that he would act out in some extreme way in order to get his parent's attention.
Are the two defendants sitting in handcuffs at the table it looks like it but I’m watching on my phone and it’s very small. Thanks for any info.
Yes
Did anyone else lose sound and video at 8:08?
God Bless this young man. This is such a sad story.
Thank God the horses are away from these demons!
YOU LEARN FROM HOME
YA IT'S THE PARENTS FAULT
PROBABLY DIDN'T SPEND TIME WITH SON🤔 SO WHY DID YOU GET YOUR CHILD A GUN😒
And now you have children and children dead are in the hospital
All because you BOUGHT YOUR SON A GUN. SO YOU ARE RESPONSEABEL FOR YOUR CHILD AND YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL DO NOT PASS GO, PRISON
I'M JUST SAYING NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR EVERYONE AMEN
THE PRANTS BOUGHT THE GUN
REMEMBER THAT
Someone on here said you have to be over 18 to buy a gun. Yes this is true. But in Ohio there are no laws stating you have to be any age to hold, fire or have access to a gun. It actually states it in just that way. It's phrased like , " while it's illegal to purchase a gun under 18, there is nothing that prevents someone from posessing, holding , shooting a gun"
Ok? This is in Michigan…
Since he was a minor .. and his parents gave it to him … would not that be a “straw purchase” i illegal in most states ? Just asking …
Horse farm is a game. It's not a real thing. This woman's family owns a ranch that boards horses and provides riding lessons
Are these defense attorneys experienced? 🤔
Nope just 2 chicks fresh out law school from a comm college trying to pay off their BMW's 🙃