More disturbing warning signs of Ethan Crumbley revealed prior to mass shooting as parents will stan
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2022
- Haunting video was shown in court Thursday of Ethan Crumbley at the shooting range with his mom, Jennifer - practicing, with the same gun used in the Oxford High School shooting.
Wow! These parents need to be held accountable. Neglect is an understatement when it comes to these two loser parents.
he asked to go to a doctor and his mom laughed at him his dad gave him pills and told him to suck it up? seriously? the crumbled crumblys now theyre crying in court? oh please
U said it perfectly!!!
Neglect isn’t manslaughter!
@@sb.1035 that insane story is a bit exaggerated!
but giving a mentally unstable child a gun is right?
WTF!! The parents are 100% responsible for this tragedy. Your son asked for help and all you do is feed him pills and whiskey!!!!?!? Monsters these people are.
I know who does that? allow their child to drink whisky everynight and take Xanax?
Absolutely. Charging parents like this needs to be normalized.
And laugh at him when he asks his mom for help! Or told by dad to suck it up!
@@wraynephew6838 Nobody. Not good parents. These 2 are some of the most neglectful ones I've seen. Just because he had nice clothes, food to eat, pretty much everything he wanted, doesn't mean he wasn't neglected. They completely ignored his needs. They disgust me.
@@shellos8 😢😢💔
Crocodile tears. They are just sorry that they have to go to court and can't just play the victim and blame everyone else.
They're just crying knowing....their party is over.
Not crocodile tears, real tears for themselves not for their son or the people killed.
@@gwenstone9685 I agree Gwen.
they’re only crying because they’re most likely gonna get charged with manslaughter and sit in jail for most of if not the rest of their lives
@@gwenstone9685 and you are a expert on these people and know them so well you can call that?
They're crying because they know the evidence of their ignorance towards their son is laid out in black & white and they're gonna be finally punished for it...
Unlike the Lanza Estate….
Those parents are the real criminals here. That child needed them and they refused to be there for him. This boy had no adult that cared about him. So sad.
Jaye, remember that the mother "cared enough" to take her son to the place for target practice using his brand new gun they bought him! 🤔☹️🤬
@Z Uh it doesn't make the parents any less responsible considering they enabled his fucked up behavior. All of them deserve to rot in prison.
Yeah man that kid was the victim. Man. Bro. Bruh. Where's my bong?
@Z Nobody's proposing the parents as alternate defendants. They're additional defendants, and should be charged as co-conspirators/co-defendants in a completely predictable, completely preventable crime.
Yea the parents play a part but evil is evil. My life is f*cd up you don’t see me killing people
At my school we had a few suicides, and after the 2nd year in a row she made it a point to take the kids who were showing sings to lunch wherever they wanted to go with a few of their friends and it made a huge difference in how that person felt you could tell. Maybe we should use this as an example of what NOT to do in a situation like this. If parents are refusing to help, step in and do it your self, it could save countless lives.
How many suicides?
Who's she?
@@shonnyhines1737 My question too 🤔
As a Lay Crisis Counselor/First Responder/ & numerous years as a Parent on Campus ( great program that should be national implemented)! A little intervention goes along way! A little caring, & teaching them different choices! That life isn't what happens to you, or who your parents are, but what you do with it! Have watched those that got no intervention end up killers, & those who got it, listened & went from being aggressive bully in middle school to a buddy & friend to all in high school! We had a neighbor kid very much like EC in the 90s. I met him in the earlier stages. Told authorities this was a problem waiting to happen & the specific parent's were definitely the abusive cause! They never had enough evidence to do anything until he jumped off the school bus 1 day, ran inside & back out before the bus could move, & started shooting it up! I fully believe in the 2nd Amendment, but we were taught responsible handling! Those parents were extremely dangerous with weapons! It shouldn't have been surprising the result! Had another case where the bully started in the Principals office!!! Argued with him that they had a bully problem, severe, & needed to be firmly addressed asap! He refused & said no problems here! I believe it was less than a year later they had a mass killer go off in the lunch room! It never should have happened! Pulled my son the year before!
That's part of the problem, parents are not being held accountable for their irresponsibility, so it falls on the teachers shoulders, and they're not paid enough for that. The more the teachers accept on their plate, the more people are going to be "why didn't the teachers did this or that?" When in reality it's the parents responsibility.
He literally BEGGED them for help! They just laughed at him and told him to "suck it up". This tragedy could have been SO EASILY prevented had the parents actually PARENTED. They are horrible! Not worthy to be even called parents.
People like this are why laws protecting parents' rights over their children are so dangerous.
The more info that comes out against his parents, the more I see him as a victim as well. He still committed an evil act and should be locked up in my opinion, but his circumstances leading up to his horrid acts is heartbreaking and angering.
Yep. I'm so disgusted by people pretending these parents shouldn't be held accountable just because they're Trump supporters, and Republicans refuse to hold each other accountable.
Agree BUT several children have worse parents and they do not shoot up classmates, torture animals and tell the victims he will do it.
He had what would be called a stable home to an outsider but no concerned love, no guidance, no support probably no friendship strong enough that allowed him to feel connected/grounded within the family unit. This was a free range child left to raise himself, possibly an unplanned child.
@@Just..Me.. MANY children have had worse parents and didn't go where he went. In fact, most don't.
It was the perfect horrible combination of terrible parenting with a broken/disturbed child. 😭
Well said.
How negligent can these parents be? 🤦♀️
They wanted Ethen to end him self
Omg this just gets worse & worse his parents definitely enabled his actions they have to be held accountable he was screaming for help
As a parent I cannot understand how his mental health needs were ignored. He asked for a doctor and instead was given a gun, pills, and alcohol?! I am so heartbroken for the parents that lost their babies so senselessly. I cannot even imagine what those families are going through…and then to have to listen to these details in court. It is unfathomable!
I was so confused when the parents 1st got charged.. After digging into this case, it all makes sense. These parents ignored & failed their child's cries for help. They often never responded to his texts or answered his phone calls. Breaks my heart to know all of this could've been prevented if 2 parents would've done their job..
The story just keeps getting worse for the parents, I was shocked at first they were being held accountable, now it makes sense. I'm pretty sure this is why a lot of moms *like* to clean their kids room, so they know what's going on.
@@jorgerivera4204 it's crazy, you know your child is mentally ill so you ignore him asking for help, dad tells him suck it up & they both thought buying him a gun made sense... It was the day of or right before the shooting the school counselor called the mom & said come get your son he needs help. So she goes to the school & says she will get him help later cuz she has to go back to work & left him at school smh. I feel bad for him in that aspect, his parents failed him but, at the same time he knew what he was doing so I don't. Just sickening to know simple parenting could've prevented this. Don't have kids if you can't take care of them ppl!
Absolutely worthless parents AND people in general. Sickening. Drugging that kid up and letting him drink, which both most likely worsened whatever mental issues he was having. You know how fast my parents took me to a doctor as soon as I told them I thought I was depressed? Saw the doctor within the hour. It’s painfully clear how much they don’t care about their son. Then son becomes a monster and murders 4 precious children (RIP Tate Myre, Madisyn Baldwin, Justin Shilling, and Hana St. Juliana ❤️) and now their grieving families have to hear about his monster parents. Absolutely horrendous. I can’t even imagine how the victims’ families are taking all this... my heart goes out to them ❤️💕
The victim's family 😭💔
@@melodiefrances3898 I know 😞😞 I shed tears for their families and loved ones 😥💔 RIP to those beautiful babies taken too soon 💕
Thank you for using their names
Did you see the parents feed Ethan alcohol? Most likely he did it behind their backs like some teenagers would. Parents are not trained professionals to spot depression and homicidal ideations. Hopkins is! He failed these parents when he told them Ethan was suicidal. Why would the parents take this seriously??? He wasn't! Hopkins didn't take the time to review the evidence he was presented with prior to the shooting. He did not properly assess Ethan or the situation. He failed the Crumbleys and everyone at Oxford High!
@@patriciapassick1420 using their names while saying terrible things about others. I'm sure these kids in heaven would not approve of all the anger aimed at the Crumbleys. The school is responsible for this, and the corrupt judges and prosecutors are letting them free.
I wonder what "pills" they were giving him. He could have been having side effects from psychotropic drugs if it was a prescription which may have added to whatever mental illness he already suffers from. At the very least they should have taken him in to be evaluated or reassessed.
Xanax
@@julia-ex7im zanny the nanny
The principal and school counselor needs to be held accountable too. Why would they allow him to go back to class?
They expected him to be killed that day.They were trying to get rid of him ,as much as they just didn’t care, they also expected that if he went through with this he would be killed. They would’ve been on tv crying pretending they had no idea “we never had any signs that he was in trouble” These people are really Evil
Wow you hit the nail
Good point🤔
That's ridiculous. They had no idea that he was going to go on a shooting rampage. People need to stop making assumptions.
Bit of a stretch
@@JakePlisskin12 you sound like you haven’t read or been listening to all the evidence they knew he was going through serious mental issues they gave him a gun they took him to the range they left him at the school after school officials asked them to take him home they didn’t even ask where is the gun.
The parents are depraved and self-absorbed brats for not seeking treatment for their child.
It will turn out is was all about money and what they didn't want to sacrifice to help their child.
She wanted her horse more than she wanted her own child.
Fry them.
this is the perfect example of why health care should be free.
This isn't the first case were someone lash out because they couldn't access healthcare.
Jennifer was more concerned about her clandestine romp in the hay then her child´s welfare . She is clearly the person who wears the pants in this family
@ timmy eades Jackpot!!! USA/Superpower of Superpowers, yet no free healthcare. Why, greed, ripoff, & $$$BigPharma$$$ is in control.
@@torontoash45 👍
imagine how much this is going to cost the court $$
@@torontoash45 Great observation. They should just plead guilty but no plea deals. If their lawyers are pro bono, they wouldn't allow it as I think they enjoy the "lights, cameras & action."
Holy shit, I couldn’t imagine turning down my child, a child, any child that asked for help like that. Mental health is not a joke, I know how it is to hurt on the inside. This is such a difficult case, only in the sense that after hearing these facts you want to have sympathy for Ethan but then you’re reminded he killed 4 kids.
Especially teens. Parents should be the last person to push and put bad pressure on there kid. Parents need a reminder at one point in time they were also teenagers in life.
People jusT don't understand how mental health is SO IMPORTANT
“Mom, and Dad I am having murderous impulses I like to see a doctor.”
“No Doctor Ethan but we will give you a 9mm handgun instead”.
"Mom, I enjoy torturing and killing baby birds." "Here's your gun, Ethan."
And shooting time at the range.
I can’t afford more because I need to care for my horses
It's obvious that if the parents took him home, they still would have both left him there alone, and he'd likely have gone right back to the school to do what he premeditated according to his journal.
then you take your kid to a hospital, and call out sick for work, well these two im sure had no sick days since they where cheating on each other, the could care less about the kid and now people are dead they need prison time
@@redred222 agreed. 👍💯
@@redred222 the thing was that they spent a lot of money on the horses (boarding, food, lessons) but didn’t provide a health insurance for the kid. I bet they were thinking to feed him Xanax again and save the money they would spend on a doctor’s appointment.
He ASKED to go to the doctor! OH SHIT!!! These parents are useless.
The school tried to get him to go home. However he should have then called 911.
The Mom's employer was the 1st on the stand in the other days testimony & he specifically said they're a family company & she could've taken time off! Smh
The dad was a Door Dash driver
Glad this is being shown to the Public. Some parents are just as responsible if not more responsible for the heinous acts their children commit and deserve the same sentences.
What about all the gang members moms
@@spoonypoon7998 what about isms of course, you people come out of the wood work and say that crap
Hell yes these parents need to be held accountable and prosecuted to the full extent of the law! The only reason the Crumbly's were crying was because it was finally sinking in that they are going to be tried for these crimes! I'm not a lawyer but personally feel they should be charged with 4 counts of 2nd degree murder instead of manslaughter especially since they did absolutely nothing to stop this tragedy and there were so many opportunities that they could've intervened and stopped this tragedy but chose NOT to!!
You nailed it.
You must not understand what second degree murder is😂 let’s just make up some more charges and say they sold crack. They’ll stick about the same!
So all the school officials who knew about this and didn’t stop it should also be charged with murder? Allowing a suicidal kid in school with others is their fault. If a kid isn’t taken by the parents they can and do get the state involved. Seems a little odd this school didn’t do that but knew of his issues!
The parents and school officals should be charged.
The school did everything in their power to stop this. The parents did absolutely nothing. Stop defending these monsters. If you don't understand how or why they're responsible don't have children. You're clearly not smart enough.
I still believe the school holds some accountability. You don't call and request a student be removed from school for dangerous and/or mental health reasons and when they refuse, allow the child back into school. I also believe their was cause to search his backpack and they failed.
Exactly they should’ve called the authorities and cps immediately
@@relaxingsoundsforpeaceands3509 and told them what?
@@jlorde8838 they do it to little black kids all the time my brother had mental issues and they got him sent away to a mental hospital in like 2nd grade.
@@relaxingsoundsforpeaceands3509 wtf are you talking about little black kids? What are 2nd graders doing getting called to the office? Ethan had ZERO BEHAVIOR ISSUES. Using Google, watching a video and a drawing aren't cause for CPS or cops.
When the Oxford Highschool Guidance Counselor was asked " is there any reason Ethan should not be sent back to the classroom" He said NO. The shooting started shortly after.
High school personnel should be held accountable too
There was no DISCIPLINARY reason he should not go back to class. Remember, the counselor had a potentially suicidal kid, no way to know he was homicidal at that point. In that case, with parents so unwilling to help the child, better to have him at school than go home and be alone where he could harm himself. Tough situation to assess.
I thought they said the dean of the school made that decision not the counselor.
@@magicmarker7047 The counselor did not inform the Dean. He also did not inform the school nurse, a person that also has the authority to request the student meet with the school phycologist before making a decision to allow him to return.
@@MySqueakyfoot This just shows us time and time again that parents and teachers need to do better. It's sickening to think if just one person had done one thing different this might not have happened.
The parents were coaching and assassin! They wanted to be rid of him. It really sounds like the parents were tired of there own son. His mental state, the medications , the calls from the school. They didn't want to believe it so they just ignored it.
Both crying.....oh really? These two DISGUSTS!
My brother has severe anger issues and PTSD. While my dad got him loads of gun training, my mom does not let him have access to our gun. It’s hidden and locked away in a place where he can’t find or access it.
Every sign was there. Every chance to prevent this was there. Now four children are dead because they didn’t do anything.
The counselor didnt want to leave Ethan alone, so why was ethan allowed back in class. The parents of ethan should be sued.
It's the parents. The school is not responsible.
Ofc they’re crying now is because they got caught trying to leave him behind with their own sons money, didn’t gaf about his mental health at all. Just money 😒
The Laundries ..... & now
....... the Crumbleys. Parents need to be held accountable for their neglect of their children when others are harmed/killed by their kids ... it is long overdue. Despite the understandable public hatred for Ethan, I will always wonder how different he might have been with loving, attentive parents & even as neglectful parents, what if his parents had at least gotten him the therapy he was desperately pleading for. How can a mother actually laugh at a child that pleads for professional help & has telephoned her & reported seeing things & is clearly reporting hallucinations. I can only imagine that all we have heard about their neglect is actually only the tip of the iceberg!
How you raise your children affects society. Some take pride in how their children behave. Others don't give a rip and expect the school and businesses to pick up the slack. And they usually get upset when society tries to do anything.
Exactly! So then you also agree that we should start charging inner city minority parents for the crimes of their children as well, right?
2:37 Did they really need to print out all of the text messages between the parents and the kid? 🤨 lol
Right? 🙄 I'm assuming they did it for the purpose of making a statement or put something into perspective. Still unnecessary.
I think I remember them saying they were going to print them all out anyway because they wanted to know exactly where a specific exchange between the parents fit in amongst a series of other text messages. They asked the judge for additional time to print every text and she allowed it.
There are 25,000 text messages between him and his friend. I believe most of them are that, rather than the texts between ethan and his parents.
@@antnmu Oh yeah. It probably did include the texts between him and his friend 👍
The people involved at the school need to be held accountable as well. There is NO reason he should have been allowed to stay at school that day with what he had already done prior to the shooting.
@ Bella No doubt about it. If we look up the word "Incompetence" in the dictionary a picture of Oxford High School will be there.
Parents are more responsible for their child
@UC8LWgGe_v63rV5nlmmRmXBA I think the school also has some responsibility in it also. I just watched a story about a 13 year old black girl jailed for supposedly making threats online. He should have been arrested and taken off the school grounds immediately.
What more could they have do e they called the parents etc..... what do u think should of happened 🤔 school personnel can only do so much so obviously u have thought about this so please fill us in on how u would of handled it
@@monicac.7414 and they completely got it wrong she was set up by another student but nothing is being done yet this 13 year old had to spend 12 days in juvie. They got it wrong big time so I ask what would u suggest the school had done
This is a clear example of total gross negligence bordering on child neglect: these parents need to be held accountable along with their son.
Bad bad parents lock them up
A little black girl was framed by her bully for a bomb threat. Her school got her arrested immediately. She was even handcuffed. It’s sad how race plays in certain situations. All of this could have been avoided if were taken seriously. This boy was given too much opportunity to implement what he did. Smh.
I.e, THE SCHOOL IS AT FAULT TOO!!!!!! and who else? it takes a village....Know God Know Peace, No God, No Peace.
Poor girl, and race does matter.
This is so sad . These parents failed their son. While he does need to be held accountable, I’m glad the parents are being held accountable Too. Horrible.
The parents are just horrible
Parents and school officials both should be charged.
I don't see how the people who are responsible for school safety and security aren't being held accountable.
Both parties neglected their responsibilities.
I think a few people should be fired for not doing more, but they did try to send him home and tried to get his parents to get him help. But to start arresting and charging the teachers and staff after living through this shooting doesn't seem right. It was ultimately the parents fault for not taking him home or checking him into a mental hospital.
Parent groups have completely stripped schools of any real action they can take. What is the school supposed to do?
Turn him over to the police when his parents refuse to take him home?
The problem is the school did all the could do and it wasn’t enough.
No parents 120% responsible.
Yes, the school should have called the police. The teachers were anxious about the drawings on his desk. The school's nurse stated that he needed immediate help, but the Dean decided it was okay for him to go back to class after the parents refused to take him home. The police could have placed him on a 48 hour hold for a psych evaluation; those children would still be alive. Several school officials are just as responsible as the parents for this travesty.
It appears the school officials are negligent as well. If the signs of serious mental illness were there, and the parents refused to help the child that day, why didn't they call Child Protective Services?
Don’t think they had enough time, the shooting happened mere hours later.
I have to say I was born and raised in Michigan and I have never I mean never have seen the most 2 dysfunctional parents I see now within the James and Jennifer. They are the poorest excuses ever being parents. This event has taken such a huge effect on us michiganders and my heart goes out to the children who were killed and to the families and friends of the victims.There just isn't enough words to even express the pain the families are going through. James and Jennifer's day is coming and they both will get what they deserve for neglecting signs from their son and not stepping up and getting him the care he should have been receiving.
Oh really? I'm from Michigan too and I dare you to walk down just about any street at dark in Flint and then tell me about dysfunctional parents.
@@Steve-pk9ok I'm from saginaw and I'm just simply stating I personally have never met parents like James and Jennifer.
Exactly. When they raided my room when I was his age they found bats, knifes, lighters, 50 Cent albums, G- Unit, Eminem. I'm not talking one or two of them, I'm talking a room full of them. But I never ran into a school and did anything like what this kid did. I had an axe as well and all the 2pac albums. I had this pole too, like a metal pipe. Like Ethan he aint got nothing, that would have been a starter kit for me. Thug life. "50 Cent - If I Can't"
They did not just neglect signs the turned a deaf to screams and begs. When your child begs for help you would move mountains to find it. For the families of the victims sitting there they would do anything to help their children
@@sherithomas5815 you never met them either. What they are saying is pure spin nothing proves anything about them.
My God! This is just an all around horror story. It's just too sad that he didn't off his pos parents and not the innocent kids. God help these families please.🙏🙏🙏🙏
Good point. They are worthless.
why did they send each other thousands of texts I wonder? Family dinner, long talks would have been more appropriate.
Look how JCrumbum shakes her head
The Crumblys should be criminally charged
So now Jennifer is taking notes about what who knows? maybe writing the best sounding excuses while her husband has this dazzed look on his face why am i here ?
She us writing another death note
Wow jejejeje why didn´t i think about that Sonia .. With Jennifer anything goes i imagine
I raised 3 boys and when those teenage years get tough sometimes you have to make painful decisions to protect and help them! Cared more about the horses
To think the parents “cried” when they heard all of those things how sad. Little too late to cry
@Isis Smith This. It's sickening.
It look like mommy daddy's not laughing at their son now
Also the school district lack of reporting the abuse, the bullying that was going on. Will the school board do something
MY 20 YEAR OLD TOLD ME HE WAS DEPRESSED AND SEEING THINGS. 10 MINS LATER WE WERE AT HIS DOCTORS. WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PARENTS?
How is he doing now? Have meds helped him?
I think his mom is mentally ill.
@@oceanrocks yes the med are helping. Thanks for asking 🙂
There lots of these "suck it up buttercup" parents out there. They view feelings, sensitivity, mental illness as weakness.
If the “warning signs were so apparent why isn’t none of the school officials being charged after acknowledging those issues?
Because it isn't a schools job to be goddamn parents.
Because they did not have knowledge of the gun I think it makes their involvement different. As a school counselor you see a lot of disturbed students. It isn't unusual to have mentally disturbed students at school. There is no doubt the school was building a file of incidences that ultimately would have sent him home until help was mandated.
@@ClockworkGFX it most definitely is the schools job to speak on the signs they claim did see! What are you even talking about? When our children are in school they see our kids more than we do!
@@janinecarlos1718 so a suicidal person needs a gun to kill People? That’s your brain working at full capacity?
@@janinecarlos1718 it’s not unusual to have a suicidal kid at school around other children while looking up ammunition?🤔 what lala land do you live in?
Parents like these are a big part of what’s wrong w/ America
NO MORE GUN
Clearly, Ethan needed help and his parents discarded it. Glad they're being held accountable. POS parents.
😡😢 I can’t believe the parents…. They deserve a long time in jail.😩
That school counselor shouldn’t be testifying against the parents he should be on trial as well. Seems the whole point of this case is finally hold someone accountable for the negligence that leads to school shootings, but why isn’t the counselor or school principal being held responsible?
EC begged his dad for professional help. Dad just gave him "pills" and said "Suck it up."
He asked his mom, and she laughed.
EC told his friend that he wanted to call 9-1-1 on himself, so he could get help, but he was afraid of his parents' reaction, if he did.
The parents made EC into a killer, and EC says that in his journal.
They should get EC's punishment, and EC should have a chance at getting psych help and rehabilitation while in lockup.
Jail awaits them!!!.
He looks like the demon
BAHGOUL
From
That movie ... so creepy
They couldn't take him to see a doctor, but instead he went to a gun ring.
His bedroom wasn’t a red flag. It was a blinding beacon with sirens blaring
My heart breaks for the famiies
I would be so furious at these POS parents !! 🤬
"The first victim ..."
This shows the mind set of someone who is capable of doing this. That he wanted to make someone suffer like him.
We try to make them somehow like us, but they simply aren't. Things that elicit empathy in most people elecit narcissism in them. Consistently, and without any concept that their narcissism might be problematic.
Everyone has narcissist thoughts from time to time, but we feel bad or ar least uncomfortable about ourselves when we do.
Whereas a truly narcissist person does not see anything wrong with their thoughts.
Add extremely violent feelings, and a belief that committing violence makes them powerful, which, in some ways it does, just not in the way they think it does, and you start getting into dangerous territory.
The parents seem to have their own narcissism. Crying for themselves? That's both vile and pathetic.
He seems terribly broken and mentally ill, not necessarily a narcissist.
What I don’t understand is why the school didn’t formally expel him on the spot. If the parents were refusing to take him home, force their hand! He was clearly dangerous. The school failed here as well.
I'm so glad for once the instrument used in such a horrific act isn't being scapegoated and blamed, and responsibility is being logically and appropriately portioned. Clearly the responsibility lays with the parents and school officials.
I don't think sending him home that day would have prevented what happened. It seems pretty clear that the parents didn't take his issues seriously. I don't think they would have sought help that day and therefore he would have gone to school the next day and done it. I think this child wanted his parents to see him and help him, he did almost everything he could do in his teenage mind to get their attention. Even if they took him home they would not have given him the attention and listening ear he wanted and therefore could not have avoided this outcome.
I was thinking the same thing... taking him home probably would have prevented it from happening that day, but with the way they were treating him, and if they continued to deny him mental health care-- something would have gone down eventually. Sad story. :(
Yes, my thoughts exactly. The parents were useless. Nothing was going to change in the next few days or weeks. He was determined to do it.
I honestly thought he was just caught with a gun AT school, I had no idea that monster actually snuffed out human lives. Show no mercy to him in court🙏
Sad stuff...
I loved it when the defense attorney tried to undermine the co-worker's credibility by getting her to say she knew very little about Ethan in spite of knowing a lot about Jennifer Crumbley's life (including something as intimate as her affair). Because it inadvertently revealed the fact that Jennifer simply wasn't interested or proud of her son enough to mention him much.
Jennifer Crumbley had the time for her job, an affair, taking care of her horses, going to casinos, doing yard and house work and going to a shooting range, but none to deal with her son's major psychological problems. No wonder those psychological problems existed in the first place. She sounds like the mother of a school shooter, alright.
Her plans to take him to her horse barn that fatal day, a place she knew he didn't like to be, and give him work to do there, was a big giveaway of where she was at as a parent. Even when her seriously sick son was crying out for her attention, she only wanted him to give her horses attention while she gave the horses attention also. She didn't actually think that would be good for him, rather she knew it would be easier for her than have to relate to Ethan directly. But that decision, which essentially created the tragedy in the first place, ended her denial.
It's obvious that Ethan's primary motive for his shooting spree was to vent his rage at both of his parents for not caring about him and even being repelled by his natural need for love and guidance. It's horrific that four innocent kids had to pay with their lives for Jennifer and James Crumbley's failure as parents and as human beings. Kids whose parents made Ethan Crumbley's parents look like co-conspirators by comparison.
If they wouldve had the same security as the inner city schools have this wouldn't have happened
Their jobs were far more important than their sons mental health! These parents are the epitome of substandard parental care and responsibility!
I feel so bad for the grieving victim parents!
she says her job, but she was using sick days to see your guy on the side, these parents wanted there weird child out of the way
This kid was let down on so many levels, sad.
If these poor excuses of parents had paid the SLIGHTEST ATTENTION to their son this truly could have been prevented. 100%. WTF
Ethan texted his mom and dad that something at home was throwing bowls and clothes on the floor, he was scared. A ghost maybe. THEY NEVER RESPONDED.
Right …case of severe hallucinations
They never heard him.
I feel bad for Ethan, he had no chance with these parents. I have one son and went thru a lot of drama with my son in high school. I understand there may be many signs of kids being unstable, angry and going thru many emotions and a parent missing some signs. Parents working full time jobs, drama of their own, drama in the work place and just going thru this journey can be stressful enough. This folks, should never have happened. SMH...
Thank You Judge 💚
For something that doesn’t happen often, it’s weird that all schools practice what to do in case a shooting happens. 🤔
So if there wasn't enough reason for him to be sent home and returned to class, it seems if he went home whether he got help or not he would habmve been allowed to return the next day and even if he got help that day I think he would have returned and still carried out his plan
Good thing no one asked you to think
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Excellent reporting. Such a preventable tragedy.
Ok honestly at this point its like Ethan could have stood in front of them with sirens and a flashing red sign saying "I will shoot up the school very soon if you dont get me help" and they still would have totally ignored it. This is ridiculous.
I know I might get a lot of flak but Ethan's parents failed him!!! They failed this kid BIG TIME!! I feel for this kid because he wanted help and they did nothing for him!! Just terrible...
I totally agree, he was in such mental distress and instead of taking him to a Doctor she took him target shooting and gave him a gun. The parents destroyed 5 young lives...Ethan's & the 4 he killed.
I actually feel sorry for the kid, he repeatedly asked for help! Ethan should be in a hospital and both parents life in jail no parole, the parents failed everyone including their own son!
YES. the kid asked, begged for it, and lit up everyone’s “NOT OK” signal, and yet, every single adult in his life failed him over and over until it became someone else’s problem.
Samantha… He killed four people… You might want to rethink that one… you are correct in your statement and I understand completely where you were going… I fully agree with it…however like I said… He killed four people… Hospitalization is now off the table
I do not think that Ethan will get the help he needs in prison.
@@matthoughton4220 i know and its so sad, ethan did beg for help, until he is 18 his parents are responsible for him. Clearly he knew he meant nothing to them, shame he didnt confide in a responsible adult sooner! Prayers for all involved!
@@georgebalsamo1011 … No you’re correct George… And it’s really sad honestly… Because now he will never get any help and will never get any better
Every time a child goes on a shooting spree it is the fault of their parents
Am I surprised? No. Took me trying to hurt myself before someone noticed something was wrong. I was 8.... hunny, it doesn't just magically start out of no where. This is one of the few cases I've seen that the parents were this flat our negligent.
I hid my illness once I got older trying to pretend I was fine... so I do understand when parents of older teens say they don't see it, our goal is to hide it. But this is different. He asked and was ignored. That's incredibly sad. Nobody had to be hurt. Geeze.
If they would have taken him home that day the shooting would have still happened. It seems as if his mind was made up. I don’t think anything could have stopped it. It was far to late for any help for him. He was failed many months, possibly years before this
Why is nobody being charged at school????? complete garbage!!!!
seriously....the mom had to work, Dad didn't give a rip, the kid was hard pressed on all sides.
Damn...
The counselor should have called authorities and had him removed if his parents weren't going to help him. All of it is sickening to hear. Everyone should be held accountable. The poor families of these lost lives. 😢 In 2 weeks it will be 10 years since my youngest son passed away and I fully understand the 😔 grief and heartbreak. I have never been the same and my son's passing was not in any way horrible like the loss of these children. If my son had died like that I don't think I would have survived. My heart felt prayers go out to all who have lost children.
My heart breaks for this poor boy who has become so evil. 💔 No child deserves an upbringing like that. Another life ruined. I just wish people would give up their children for adoption to someone who would give them a good home. Do it at birth... there is no shame in that!
I have a half sister that our mom put up for adoption at birth because she was only 16. She was adopted by a couple who couldn't have children and raised to become a University Professor. When we met I told her that after 10 minutes hearing about her bio mom she would be thankful she was put up for adoption. She was!!
The love and worship of guns is so common in this country, a lot of these "warning signs" are just normal behaviors for too many people. So is a half empty bottle of whiskey in a bedroom....A lot of parents chalk it up to typical teenage angst.
Why is the school not reliable
accountable....it takes a village...
It's sad how many kids and even adults have parents and family that don't take mental health seriously until something tragic happens. People need to wake up and stop disregarding that mental health is a real illness.
No the whole time they keep on mentioning Ethan I believe Ethan‘s Warriors should be inside of this court hearing too because he is mostly the main issue to the whole puzzle. But in reality his mother and father really just didn’t care about this poor child. They have health insurance they never used it with him. They never took him to mental counseling Ethan‘s journal talked about a lot of things that are going on and his life and the voices he here is and his head this is schizophrenia. This all could’ve been prevented by then you the the that was issued yeah the father when they are a gun he never mentioned that he is he is that he will to the gun. So he went in there but they can’t get his child want it. I’ll let his child go out with a gun into the woods and just shoot innocent animals that you’re not gonna eat. And then the whole damn thing with the school they drop the bomb. I’m sorry I really do believe that Ethan should have been 72 hours fake it acted once he was looking for ammunition that he was drawing pictures on his math test without suicidal thoughts and then bring them both down to the office talking to the health counselor I mean certain things you wouldn’t think that a child is going to do but in the meantime when the parent said no they were not taking him home then you should’ve called the police and had him 72 hours baker acted. I mean come on it doesn’t happen often but it does happen very often there’s lots of school shootings and it all comes down to children who are not being taken care of at home, along with people who have guns and don’t lock them up. Parents need to be held responsible for the children under the age of 18 years old that are living in their homes at all times. His parents care more about working on DoorDash, and also her down at the horse stables. She never mentioned anything about her child, she doesn’t show pictures of her child, she doesn’t even talk about her child. What kind of mother is this person I believe these parents need to serve at least 25 years in prison. I think that would be a long enough sentence for them to understand what they did that will give me enough time for each child and also Ethan must go to a mental health facility for at least 15 years.
Ethan warriors??? Really?? People are tallying around this little sac of shit and his crap parents.
Disgusting!!!
Who are the warriors for the 4 he murdered??? He wanted to rape a girl?? He was sick and twisted and his parents didn't care.
Would you be this sympathetic if he was black?
I’m convinced Ethan’s free counsel is going to offer Ethan a way better defence after watching this. I’m not saying we should feel bad for Ethan, but he’s still a 15 year old who was looking to his parents for guidance and support. Instead they put a gun in his hands and discarded him at every chance, including after his arrest.
They’d still be lucky to get a guilty verdict and jail sentence, since IMO being victims of Ethan’s gun violence was also a likely scenario.
And this prosecutor just showed bias and prejudice.
So, when are they going to try this case?
Keep letting your kids play Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty. Playstation has been raising and training our youth to kill
What if you play GTA and Call of Duty on PC? 🧐
I've played both those games growing up and I've never killed anyone......but I also didn't have shitty parents, so......
They can’t teach you how to load and shoot a real gun. That takes real practice, which he clearly received with his parents.
My son and his friends grew up on those games and not even a speeding ticket between them, typical liberals to blame games, social media and guns
I disagree my son played those games growing up still do at 27 God is good he and amazing father to my only grand baby she 8 months been living on his. Own since. 21 been working since 16 great job own everything blessed this child had mental issues went to his parents for help and they did nothing but added fuel to fire now 4 people had to loose there life sad all around they need to be under the jail praying for the family as well also praying for Ethan