One could argue that Vintage and Modern Pokémon are two distinct "collecting categories". In my mind, Modern either starts in B&W or XY. I cant speak to B&W, but XY is going completely bananas. Sun and Moon is going bananas.... XY booster boxes, collection boxes and the full art PSA 10's are breaking all previous records. So if you split Vintage and Modern into 2 collection categories, Rinkor's definition of a run holds. The same is happening in Magic, and has been for a while, where Modern Magic is absolutely in a boom, while vintage is in a serious downturn. Great video! Thank you for that insight you discovered from Rinkor.
I think you’re on to something here Corey! I would still prefer to see all vintage and modern booming, but it’s true that many older, but maybe not “vintage” products are doing really well. And when theorems this much excitement entering Pokemon I don’t think it really matters that the traditional vintage products aren’t booming 🫡 I do like this 97/98 Pika trophy cards though 😅
@@tcgbuyersclub I did a few edits to my post so I hope you saw the version where I thanked you for your insight. I agree with what you said about wanting to see modern and vintage booming. It could be that vintage is too GD expensive as if it already had its boom and its lifecycle is over. Anyway, lets talk about the real question on everyone's mind.....Where is Captain Zack?
I always appreciate the support, and even before the edit I took this as a positive comment with added insight. I of course appreciate you taking the time to add that to it though 🙏 And, I’ll keep yelling at Zack until he comes back. I promise!! 💪
Personally I think there’s for certain been a shift in vintage, just not WOTC vintage; look at almost any ex era set and their cards have become infinitely more expensive and difficult to find, at least for top chases (gold stars, ex’s, etc). The simple fact of the matter I think is that most newer collectors just don’t find the original WOTC stuff all that interesting.
Yeah, I know Gold Star cards and some other more vintage cards are seeing big movements. It’s just interesting to compare the current market with the pandemic boom and see how the tastes of collectors have shifted. It’s especially interesting to me that the pop reports seem to be less important this time around, when that is one of the single most important variables according to a lot of traditional collecting theories. Thanks so much for watching and commenting 😊
As a returner to the hobby (24-year hiatus), I can definitely see why newer collectors may not be so interested in the older "original" sets. Looking at the art alone, from what I've seen from alt art, IR, and SIR cards, I can see why vintage is being left behind in this new market. Vintage does have its place for the collector, but even for me I'm less interested in filling in the holes in my original Base/Jungle/Fossil sets as I am to collect the newer arts.
I totally agree with you! When the 2020 boom happened, the Sword & Shield alt arts hadn’t even happened! Although there were some banger alt arts and “Trainer Rare” cards from the end of Sun & Moon, it really felt like there wasn’t all that much to be excited about in modern. But, that changed quickly and, now, it’s a great point that the quality of modern makes it hard to love vintage cards. Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Funny that you posted this right after I was searching up 1st ed Charizard and Illustrator. I was expecting huge spikes but yeah, they haven't really budged.
What a coincidence! I’m genuinely so fascinated by the differences between this boom (assuming it actually is one - I still feel the need to caveat that 😅) and the Pandemic. Whatever you’re cooking over there I can’t wait to see it! Your videos have been so good!! 🙇♂️
I gotta wonder though, if sets get reprinted a lot, does that mean even 10 years from now, the value of a card won't go that high since there could be many people trying to cash in at once? Like with vintage cards those are harder to come by since they weren't as mass produced and there's very few that are in mint condition since many people were kids who didn't think too much about the value they would get, so it makes sense these get super valuable but I wonder about modern ultra rares like Moonbreon... sure it's expensive now, but will it really climb up in 10 years?
I’ve struggled with this question a lot too, and I think it’s one of the great questions of modern Pokemon! I think the short answer is that the higher the supply of the card the lower its price potential in the future. But I don’t think that means the price won’t go up, and the Moonbreon shows us that (for now anyway)… My latest newsletter article actually goes into why I think that, and my next video will be based on this as well!! You can read it here: tcgbuyersclub.beehiiv.com/p/does-rarity-even-matter Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
Vintage any cardboard always has its fans die off and plus the cost takes away the other investors. Pokemon will be there soon as well just need couple more decades.
You know, I've always had a suspicion that the release of 151 was the Pokémon company signaling that vintage is being retired. Including the early Gen Pokémon. Not that the early gen Pokémon will ever go away, but they seem to be pushing exceptionally hard to get on with new ones like Roaring Moon, Raging Bolt and especially Terapagos. I really dont get what they are doing with Terapagos.
Oh man, that’s a very interesting take! I personally took 151 as a way of capturing the potential collectors who still have nostalgia for the early WOTC days, but maybe there’s more to it!!
Those are all the new pokemon from the new generation. Thats why they are being pushed. A year from now when next gen comes out there will be new ones pushed.
ofc your vintage cleafable jungle wont go crazy.. but look at those vitnage zard... they going p fast,... my gem mint skyridge holo zard allready almost doubled since i bought it in 2023
Just like stocks, I buy whatever everybody else is not buying because eventually just like everything else. What’s not popular now will eventually be popular I’ll stick to buying vintage and then whether it’s six months or one year or two years everyone will go back to vintage and say oh my God you were getting all those cards for $100. I just paid $600 for XYZ because I was following the hype because everybody wants modern right now Just like stocks I buy the ones that people don’t buy until everybody wants it. 😅 be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy.
Yea why isn’t the 300k pikachu trophy card not shooting up? It’s almost like there is a cap for these cards that people are willing to pay and it was reached during the pandemic. And it’s almost like there are less and less people willing to pay those prices for these cards the more years that pass, the older people get and the less people that even know about it are still alive or caring. Are vintage baseball cards shooting up in price ? I genuinely don’t know.
Dude nobody cares about vintage… get over it guys. And I’m from wotc! Get with the times man, there’s like 1,000 people that care about vintage and there’s 10,000,000 that care about modern. It’s really not hard to understand
I agree there’s far more demand for modern right now, and, I’m mainly a modern collector! It’s just that my love of collecting Pokemon has me researching other collectibles markets and then investing theory behind it, and it’s interesting to observe how the Pokemon market is behaving relative to those other expectations. Hopefully some people find it helpful! Thanks for watching either way 😊
everyone whos buying cards close to 1k modern in a pop 15k with hundreds of thousands of sealed left are absolutely burning their cash, imagine they gonna release more and better alt art for the next 10-20 years lol , its gonna be diluted to the absolute ground, monbreon will reach pop 30k by 2035, wilol have like 10 newer comepitor with it (just the new moonbreon /sunbreon w/e will prob dillute it alot, in the end its gonna be tens of millions of psa10 alt art XD ill stick to my skyridge holo zard psa 10 pop 200
your 2 exemples are products over 200k lol... maybe there just not that many very high end collectors... but the vintage is not wanted is just hillarous to me when u have psa 8 10x more valued than the biggest modern grail in a psa10, peoples really seem to not understand the difference between out of reach and does no want it... the ammount of times i heard about 1st ed zard ''thats my dream card and those were all in modern i mean they just dont have that reach at all... i was buying not even 10 years ago base set zards for literally 8-10$ nm- mint..... thats now what 500? u realize they went extremly bullish and ofc will take more time for them to go to another boom. the gains allready was made...
Thanks for watching 😊 I’m just trying to apply this more traditional collectibles investing guidance to the modern Pokemon market. I honestly have no idea who can afford those cards, but it’s worth noting they they are definitely the masterpiece tier options in Pokemon and they are not moving in the way described by Mr. Rinker. Pokemon is a different kind of beast and I’m just trying to make sense of it all 🫡
pop in vintage is 1/100 compared to modern so u only need 1% of that modern pop and trust me that 1% will come lol , those are sheeps they follow money, not hard to understand when a hobby grow by 100 000% after money went into it
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One could argue that Vintage and Modern Pokémon are two distinct "collecting categories". In my mind, Modern either starts in B&W or XY. I cant speak to B&W, but XY is going completely bananas. Sun and Moon is going bananas.... XY booster boxes, collection boxes and the full art PSA 10's are breaking all previous records. So if you split Vintage and Modern into 2 collection categories, Rinkor's definition of a run holds. The same is happening in Magic, and has been for a while, where Modern Magic is absolutely in a boom, while vintage is in a serious downturn. Great video! Thank you for that insight you discovered from Rinkor.
I think you’re on to something here Corey!
I would still prefer to see all vintage and modern booming, but it’s true that many older, but maybe not “vintage” products are doing really well.
And when theorems this much excitement entering Pokemon I don’t think it really matters that the traditional vintage products aren’t booming 🫡
I do like this 97/98 Pika trophy cards though 😅
@@tcgbuyersclub I did a few edits to my post so I hope you saw the version where I thanked you for your insight. I agree with what you said about wanting to see modern and vintage booming. It could be that vintage is too GD expensive as if it already had its boom and its lifecycle is over. Anyway, lets talk about the real question on everyone's mind.....Where is Captain Zack?
I always appreciate the support, and even before the edit I took this as a positive comment with added insight. I of course appreciate you taking the time to add that to it though 🙏
And, I’ll keep yelling at Zack until he comes back. I promise!! 💪
Appreciate the insights, and thanks for sharing some valuable information from Mr. Rinker. Subbed to the newsletter. Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks so much for the support, I’m glad you like it! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well 🙏
Awesome video buddy. Keep it up. Solid info.
Thanks for watching!! 🤘
Personally I think there’s for certain been a shift in vintage, just not WOTC vintage; look at almost any ex era set and their cards have become infinitely more expensive and difficult to find, at least for top chases (gold stars, ex’s, etc). The simple fact of the matter I think is that most newer collectors just don’t find the original WOTC stuff all that interesting.
Yeah, I know Gold Star cards and some other more vintage cards are seeing big movements. It’s just interesting to compare the current market with the pandemic boom and see how the tastes of collectors have shifted.
It’s especially interesting to me that the pop reports seem to be less important this time around, when that is one of the single most important variables according to a lot of traditional collecting theories.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting 😊
@@tcgbuyersclub of course, your videos are always a pleasure to watch 🙂
@ aw, well thank you! And I always appreciate thoughtful and insightful comments like yours 🙏
As a returner to the hobby (24-year hiatus), I can definitely see why newer collectors may not be so interested in the older "original" sets.
Looking at the art alone, from what I've seen from alt art, IR, and SIR cards, I can see why vintage is being left behind in this new market.
Vintage does have its place for the collector, but even for me I'm less interested in filling in the holes in my original Base/Jungle/Fossil sets as I am to collect the newer arts.
I totally agree with you! When the 2020 boom happened, the Sword & Shield alt arts hadn’t even happened! Although there were some banger alt arts and “Trainer Rare” cards from the end of Sun & Moon, it really felt like there wasn’t all that much to be excited about in modern.
But, that changed quickly and, now, it’s a great point that the quality of modern makes it hard to love vintage cards.
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Nice vid man, enjoy the content and well thought out takes.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words and thanks for watching!
Funny that you posted this right after I was searching up 1st ed Charizard and Illustrator. I was expecting huge spikes but yeah, they haven't really budged.
What a coincidence! I’m genuinely so fascinated by the differences between this boom (assuming it actually is one - I still feel the need to caveat that 😅) and the Pandemic.
Whatever you’re cooking over there I can’t wait to see it! Your videos have been so good!! 🙇♂️
bought a psa8 1st ed zard for 12k cad last year, it sold recently for 18k,, pretty good to me
@ why’d you sell it so fast?
Not the base 1st zard but there are a ton of vintage doing very well.
That’s great to hear 😊 My research was admittedly pretty narrow so I appreciate you adding this detail. Thanks for watching 🫡
A few years ago people came back because of the old cards. Now people are joining the hobby because of the new sets.
I agree with you! It’s interesting to compare the two booms and where the average investor’s interest is.
I gotta wonder though, if sets get reprinted a lot, does that mean even 10 years from now, the value of a card won't go that high since there could be many people trying to cash in at once?
Like with vintage cards those are harder to come by since they weren't as mass produced and there's very few that are in mint condition since many people were kids who didn't think too much about the value they would get, so it makes sense these get super valuable but I wonder about modern ultra rares like Moonbreon... sure it's expensive now, but will it really climb up in 10 years?
I’ve struggled with this question a lot too, and I think it’s one of the great questions of modern Pokemon!
I think the short answer is that the higher the supply of the card the lower its price potential in the future.
But I don’t think that means the price won’t go up, and the Moonbreon shows us that (for now anyway)…
My latest newsletter article actually goes into why I think that, and my next video will be based on this as well!! You can read it here:
tcgbuyersclub.beehiiv.com/p/does-rarity-even-matter
Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
People that say vintage isn't it just can't afford it
Yeah, that could be all it is 😊 The prices, even though they haven’t moved, are insanely high 🤯 Thanks for watching!
Vintage any cardboard always has its fans die off and plus the cost takes away the other investors. Pokemon will be there soon as well just need couple more decades.
Thanks for watching!! 😊
You know, I've always had a suspicion that the release of 151 was the Pokémon company signaling that vintage is being retired. Including the early Gen Pokémon. Not that the early gen Pokémon will ever go away, but they seem to be pushing exceptionally hard to get on with new ones like Roaring Moon, Raging Bolt and especially Terapagos. I really dont get what they are doing with Terapagos.
Oh man, that’s a very interesting take! I personally took 151 as a way of capturing the potential collectors who still have nostalgia for the early WOTC days, but maybe there’s more to it!!
to me it just seems like a more streamlined set structure compared to what SWSH which enables them to push newer pokemon better
There's nothing new with new Pokemon being pushed. This has always been the case for main sets.
@BBQKana but it is new that collectors actually like the new sets! Thanks for watching 😊
Those are all the new pokemon from the new generation. Thats why they are being pushed. A year from now when next gen comes out there will be new ones pushed.
ofc your vintage cleafable jungle wont go crazy.. but look at those vitnage zard... they going p fast,... my gem mint skyridge holo zard allready almost doubled since i bought it in 2023
Just like stocks, I buy whatever everybody else is not buying because eventually just like everything else. What’s not popular now will eventually be popular I’ll stick to buying vintage and then whether it’s six months or one year or two years everyone will go back to vintage and say oh my God you were getting all those cards for $100. I just paid $600 for XYZ because I was following the hype because everybody wants modern right now Just like stocks I buy the ones that people don’t buy until everybody wants it. 😅 be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy.
I love that Buffett quote: it very well might be the best time to buy vintage! Thanks for watching and for the comment! 🙇♂️
Yea why isn’t the 300k pikachu trophy card not shooting up? It’s almost like there is a cap for these cards that people are willing to pay and it was reached during the pandemic. And it’s almost like there are less and less people willing to pay those prices for these cards the more years that pass, the older people get and the less people that even know about it are still alive or caring. Are vintage baseball cards shooting up in price ? I genuinely don’t know.
Thanks for watching 😊 I’m not sure what sports cards are doing either but the ceiling is a lot higher there! We’ll see what happens in Pokemon next 😊
Yap.
Thanks for watching 😊🫡
Dude nobody cares about vintage… get over it guys. And I’m from wotc! Get with the times man, there’s like 1,000 people that care about vintage and there’s 10,000,000 that care about modern. It’s really not hard to understand
I agree there’s far more demand for modern right now, and, I’m mainly a modern collector! It’s just that my love of collecting Pokemon has me researching other collectibles markets and then investing theory behind it, and it’s interesting to observe how the Pokemon market is behaving relative to those other expectations.
Hopefully some people find it helpful! Thanks for watching either way 😊
everyone whos buying cards close to 1k modern in a pop 15k with hundreds of thousands of sealed left are absolutely burning their cash, imagine they gonna release more and better alt art for the next 10-20 years lol , its gonna be diluted to the absolute ground, monbreon will reach pop 30k by 2035, wilol have like 10 newer comepitor with it (just the new moonbreon /sunbreon w/e will prob dillute it alot, in the end its gonna be tens of millions of psa10 alt art XD
ill stick to my skyridge holo zard psa 10 pop 200
your 2 exemples are products over 200k lol... maybe there just not that many very high end collectors... but the vintage is not wanted is just hillarous to me when u have psa 8 10x more valued than the biggest modern grail in a psa10,
peoples really seem to not understand the difference between out of reach and does no want it... the ammount of times i heard about 1st ed zard ''thats my dream card and those were all in modern i mean they just dont have that reach at all...
i was buying not even 10 years ago base set zards for literally 8-10$ nm- mint..... thats now what 500? u realize they went extremly bullish and ofc will take more time for them to go to another boom. the gains allready was made...
Thanks for watching 😊 I’m just trying to apply this more traditional collectibles investing guidance to the modern Pokemon market. I honestly have no idea who can afford those cards, but it’s worth noting they they are definitely the masterpiece tier options in Pokemon and they are not moving in the way described by Mr. Rinker.
Pokemon is a different kind of beast and I’m just trying to make sense of it all 🫡
pop in vintage is 1/100 compared to modern so u only need 1% of that modern pop and trust me that 1% will come lol , those are sheeps they follow money, not hard to understand when a hobby grow by 100 000% after money went into it
why does it look like you have been crying? did you get upset because you didnt get the Target deal? lol
LOL we don’t have Target in Canada so this checks out 😂 Thanks for watching 😊
Still better than leonheart guy. He looks like hes always on drugs 😂
No one collects Topps Chrome, they are the rarest most expensive and best looking pokemon cards. Get on em.
If vintage is down, buy now.
Modern sucks
I agree that the best time to buy is during the boring times when no one is talking about the product! Thanks for sharing 😊
dont tell them sheeps the key of success lol they gotta follow money, fomo is good