Jim Cornette on Cash & Check Payoffs In Wrestling
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2022
- From Episode 244 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Jim Cornette has about 20 stories of “accidentally” seeing other peoples checks.
I mean he did run his own company
Yea I was starting to think at what number can it no longer be considered “accidental”
He also has several stories where he "accidentally" seen another wrestlers dick.
It always amazes me that "country bumpkins" knew more about business than most Wharton graduates.
Especially the wrestling business
Different subject, but similar results, I did Demolition derbys for 17 years and the promoters that had cash payouts were always the most consistent...when we got paid with checks alot of them were canceled by the time we went to deposit or cash them out. So just like wrestling, some promoters were really good about payouts and others were always shady.
I got in with some literal traveling carny’s for a year when I was in my early 20’s and if anyone received a check they wouldn’t just laugh at it, most of them probably wouldn’t even know what it was.
Motorhead711 It's not a different subject. It's the same subject. No offense but demolition derbys and pro wrestling are carny businesses. Pro wrestling deep down is carny, and will always be. But that's when it is at it's best. When things are simpler they are always better. Look at it now, it's corporate. When things go corporate they lose passion.
@@1985nyg carnies*
James "Chip" Burnham, may God rest and reward his soul. Chip was the accountant at TBS when we are NWA and transferred to Promoter in some of the WCW territories. Chip was my boss at WCW. Chip was always in a great mood and always kept in touch with me. When Corny talked about "Draws", it brought back old memories.
What was your role? and just out of interest what was it like in the final days of WCW?
@@OrbitStrike The title was assistant event coordinator. Mostly working in advance promotions, autograph sessions, and special events (bikini contest, volleyball game, driving workers to the airport if they had to catch a flight following their match). The last show I worked was Greed in Jacksonville Fl. The company was already in chaos. After the matches in Jacksonville, I remember Flair making several phone calls to either save the company or to secure the future. I did not know who he was talking with. The folks who owned more stock than Turner did not understand our business and wanted us gone. Rumor had it that Bischoff wanted to start a new promotion in Vegas or LA with Fusion as the TV Network. I guess we will have to ask Eric about that one. It seemed to be all about Hollywood Stars & Movies. Bischoff made a critical mistake. He lost the WCW fan base in attendance & ratings by burying the WCW boys. He had hired too many WWF boys and they were getting the push. Toward the end , there were many disgruntle workers and confusion.
@@diamondwchamp I remember Bischoff saying that the deal killer was them not keeping the time slot on the network. Fusion wasn’t interested in a wrestling company with no TV deal. There were less stations back then and they weren’t beating each other up to put wrestling on their stations. So,the sharp executives at Turner/AOL decided they would rather sell the valuable WCW/NWA library to Vince for 2 million and unload cheaper contracts,but Turner still had to pay the main eventers for the life of the contract instead of getting 80 million and allowing Fusion to assume all the contracts and have 5 hours of TV time,that they could still generate ad revenue from. This kind of decision should almost classify as criminal. How do people like that make a buck in the world? The funny part is that they are now paying a million a week to air another wrestling show now with AEW.
@@lodi70005 Ted Turner admitted that he sold too much percentage of stocks or shares. I wish AEW had a better product. Tony should allow Arn or even Tully to do the booking. Before the WWE boys came over, including Hogan, we all took pay cuts stating the ratings and the gates were down. About a few months later, big guaranteed contracts with extra perks were being signed. That was a huge discrepancy and what wind was left in the sail was now gone. Eric did some wonderful things but he made a couple critical mistakes. Remember he went from 3rd string announcer to VP or Booker. I remember when Eric joined us, Terry Taylor inquired, "who is the guy with the perfect hair? I laughed so hard and told him Eric and he is from AWA. When Chip lost his job he went to become a stock investor or broker. We kept in touch afterward talking wrestling and SEC football.
@@diamondwchamp What I never understood is how a few WWF guys come over & then Eric takes over & all of a sudden the majority of the WCW locker room allowed them to get over over all of them. No pushback or anything. Was it as simple as taking the money & letting WCW going to hell - or did any of them ever try to unite & fight back? They love to shoot about it today but it seems they were happy to make a deal with the devil.
Was waiting for Jim to say when he was traveling to Japan in the mid 80s. That he managed all over the world 400 days a year. Haha
The only man(...ager) ever to do so, if I believe
And he got those jobs by confronting promoters with a gun after setting their ring on fire 😂
Especially when you consider the international date line
This is a reference to Hogans' ridiculous ass stories right?
@@twoshirts1842 yes
I always like when Jim says crazy shit during the sponsor promo and Brian is always like, 'No no! That's not right. That is not true! Lol
The ads on Jim's podcast are better than most podcasts actual content.
"Not getting enough sleep" may be the most polite way of saying coked out of your mind I've ever heard.
I know he has discussed this stuff several times, but it never gets old........I love hearing how the business worked back in the territory days.
In the original ecw video game, if you select Tommy Rich and press a secret code, Tommy Rich asks for a Draw! that's a shoot......
Damned nice move by both Vince and Crockett, paying Flairs taxes. That had to be a pretty penny.
They sure wrote that off again... :-D Trumpanomics
Thank you for spitting this wrestling goodness. Happy to have placed my first order from corbettes collectibles
It always sounds like promoters were taking advantage of wrestlers throughout history. And wrestlers are either too stupid to realize it or just take the job because they just needed a gig and wanted the work. And it's still the same to this day.
Not just wrestlers either. If you've met an employee, you've met someone getting taken for a ride
@@SplitGoose the lockout exposed these employers, big or small. They were crying about not having enough workers during the pandemic and calling people lazy, now that there’s a recession there firing everyone and laughing about it
@@SplitGoose That's only peons like you with no skills.
I am waiting the full episode...please!
*i needed...THANKS.
They through money into the air, whatever stuck to the ceiling, is what they got paid.
I absolutely love the transition to the sponsor LMAO
Man Paul Bosch was always so nice to me I went almost every Saturday as a kid and met him many times . It was also the first time I saw the undertaker vs Kamala .
Fortunately for the promoters of the territories who have checks that bounce, Nailz was not on their payrolls.
I wonder what Lawler’s checks look like when Vince pulls him out of Memphis to come and do commentary on RAW lol
That’s why Jim’s the best story teller ever.
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
Payouts were often shaky with concert promoters -- and then former pro wrestler ("Count Massimo" // "Count Bruno Alassio of Milan") Peter Grant emerged on the scene as a band manager.
No shi? The led Zeppelin guy has pro wrestling ties?
@@markl5998 Yeah, he'd been a wrestler in Britain in the 50s. Back then, maybe even more than in most of the US, pretty much everyone in British wrestling was dangerous with real shooting ability. With his size and a bit of training, it's no wonder he became so intimidating.
@@XKenny77 It 's why wrestling over here in the UK looked so real, because everyone was legit training in catch-as-catch-can or cornish wrestling or some other legit style, and it could go from work to shoot in a blink, if need be.
@@thelastmotel Yeah, it's easily forgotten that people like MMA stars like Josh Barnett, Kazushi Sakuraba, Minoru Suzuki, Masakatsu Funaki and many more were all trained by Wigan-trained pro wrestlers like Billy Robinson and Karl Gotch, and all considered themselves pro wrestlers throughout their MMA careers. Those trainers were, by all accounts, legitimate badasses who would have likely been amongst the best actual _fighters_ in the world at that time.
@@XKenny77 Well said
Nice segway to the sponsor, Bryan. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I wonder if Mike Rotunda had any tax issues or maybe helped others with tax issues 🤔
With cash payouts, I wonder if there was any shady business done by other wrestlers broke into lockers, bags, etc. Money always cause people to do things that they wouldn’t normal do. I’m sure some people weren’t smart in securing their pay outs.
I believe there were rituals for it. You hand a guy you would suspect of stealing your money your wallet, ask him to watch your cash while you're in the ring infront of EVERYBODY. if you come back and it's gone, you know.
I'm sure of that, pro wrestling was a shady environnement especially during the last century
Some dark stuff still happen to this days (Speaking Out is a big example) but comparing the two, wrestlers in the territory would make someone like Joey Ryan an innoncent child, that's saying
@@CrystalSpirit7 Eh, nothing would make Joey Ryan innocent.
Of course father douggg!!
Virgil.
"He came out number 22, right?"
"Yeah.."
"Who knows how many bags he's been through in the locker room!"
- Bobby Heenan, 1992 Royal Rumble
I love the old tales of promoters paying the boys in half cash and half junk cause it would save promoters cash and the boys time.
Junk as in useless crap or Junk as in drugs?
@@gaylordfocker7990 pills and roids
There was an NBC Correspondent named Jack Perkins who proved that it truly pays to understand perfectly what someone means by "junk." When he negotiated a move across America he just simply mentioned that all he cared for was to have "(my) family and (my) junk" moved across America free of charge. So then Jack Perkins managed to have NBC News move free of charge mind you his family and a full sized Chinese junk across America. Ole Anderson himself couldn't have booked it better!😂🤣😂🎤🐴💎🚢📺🤼♂️B.W.
@@gaylordfocker7990 They'd get paid in roids and cocaine
Shout out for Evansville!
Greg Valentine's wife stooging guys out to the IRS is funny
That’s when he left his wife for Madusa. He ended up going back to Julie.
Waiting for Cornettes reaction to the Return of Maki Itoh 👀
Respect my Baby Itoh
He'll destroy how competitive that match was. I half thought Itoh may snag an upset.
Me too
Frank Tunney in Toronto paid cash, and in the early 60s, he'd pay in Canadian which was worth $1.02 to $1.05 US then. If the worker requested US$, he'd pull some out and all would be good. Can't do that now by law up here -- which, given the current exchange rate would be ruinous, anyway.
I always find it cool that they Sometimes mention my hometown Shreveport, La
"under the age of 4, get permission to put this in your milk" best ads ever lol
I was watching Young Rock where Rocky Johnson only got $300 at an event where the attendance was only ten and Rocky got upset so he spoke to a promoter and asked why he got only $300 the promoter said that was for 3 matches and not one match. So my point is that is the way it was in the day.
Young Rock is bullshit.
Is that Dax Harwood riding gun? Lol
Haven't even watched yet. But I already know this will be gold
"Ehhh ya'know" to Jim means hes politely burying something lol
28:30 I was almost asleep then the guffaw I had woke me right up. Now I’m getting up to do my taxes.
Do your research and not listen to old stories, the IRS is crumbling. They can't even answer 90% of their phone calls.
I love the Louisiana stories Corny tells
Next level promo segway by Brian. I love it. If you're into it bad with IRS, maybe you just want to sleep.
Beam Dream after listening to Jim promote their product: Tell me again why we are paying these people to promote our product?
This must have been re broadcast. He talked about this before.
Yeah. I think you're right
That husband bit at the end caught Brian offguard, lol.
I can't believe Beam is back...
Can't wait for Jim to react on WWE suspending Sasha Banks and Naomi.
I can’t wait for Jim to stop Exposing the business this is worse than those young bucks and aew and modern wrestling
Should have Fired Sasha Banks but Suspend Naomi
@Torrence Kingman this isn’t the only thing he’s done in his last video he said you work as a referee to figure out how to work good in the wrestling business he’s also covering other people exposing the business and saying they are exposing the business and giving more exposure he’s told me about how ropes are wires people not wanting to do the job and all his backstage creative storys
@Torrence Kingman so how do you explain him participating in a documentary exposing the business called beyond the mat he allows the camera to film him explaining the boys what are they gonna do in the match
@@wake6937 its too late the business has already been exposed to the max as is. If it was the 80s or 90s no way but anyone who is into wrestling already knows how it works
ROLLER-RAMA OUTLAW MUDSHOW!!!!!
I recall Gary Hart once saying that when Ric Flair was NWA World Champion in a Seven Day Period working for World Class, Flair made 30k and in the Early Eighties that was a lot of Money.
I mean shit, 30k in 7 days would still be a-ok today for an industry that was still niche. Nice. Though, god bless 'em, those guys sure did work their asses off and their bodies to the limits.
👏👏👏
Is that Dax in the thumbnail?
Jake Roberts
A "BL4KBUTY" or "CORNY1" personalized, license plate would make this thumbnail over the top hilarious!LMAO
Checks all bounce
LOL, you think this is Heyman's podcast.
If you're Paul E.
In this age of digital banking state surveillance tyranny, I do my bit in keeping the cash economy alive. Although I do concede it's not conducive to fiscal responsibility. Once a cowboy, always a cowboy. Lonely are the brave. Il Grande Silenzio.
I know a man who works at a scrap metal yard and sometimes itinerant shop / building refitter. Keep your eyes open in that line of work and the tenet 'where there's muck there's brass' will serve you well. I've known him on occasion be at least partly paid in some barter-able commodity - hawking packets of duty free tobacco out of a carrier bag during a meandering Friday night return commute. I don't know how wealthy / not he might be but I do know this: he certainly ain't starving.
I use cash when making modest purchases from local businesses. Then they don't have to eat card processing fees.
Meanwhile others get roch with destroying the worth of your money with nfts, bitcoin and other shite also. Buy food cans. :-D
I wonder which wrestler Jim taking about on that 1996 Wrestlemania card with the $70,000 tax problem? Looking at the card, I’m guessing one of the Godwin’s or one of the Body Donnas
Bobby and Dennis were the only top guys who weren't there because they werent top guys.
You get in trouble with the IRS when you self employed and IRS doesn't take money out of your check every week
It's all good if you report it.
Its all good if you are rich and dont
I thought Dax Harwood was in the thumbnail with a different cash in the backseat.
Can't wait to hear him speak on Smackdown
THIS is the content I love .. Cornette telling how times were in previous decades
2k for what
"Working a week in hand" as we call it in the UK, is common practice for jobs that pay weekly. You work week 1, then you work week 2, and at the end of week 2, you get the money you're owed from week 1, and so on, so that when you quit/leave/whatever, you still have a week's money owing, which you'll get the week after you stop working the job.
time for an omnibus of awkward commercial transitions?
"...the screaming and the yelling and the wild sexual perversion going on... thankfully the woman's husband came home at around 11pm and put a stop to it!"
Jfc 😂😂😂👌
Not sure what was better, that or Brian's Dangerfield impression after the fact "I'll tell ya what it was rough...."
Thanks again for another episode of wrestling talk it helps me get thru my horrible life lol
I remember (84'or 85')seeing Ole Anderson being escorted by Saginaw police officers to the front ticket office prior to a GCW house show. Once he got there us fans could view him thru the alternate ticket window located inside the lobby. At first, Ole was leaning on the doorway of the ticket manager's office and talking with the staff for a few minutes; having a few laughs. Then here comes the senior ticket cashier with a big fat brick of cash and handed it over to Ole. We all are like "H😳LY $HIT!" JYD was on cocaine, I later heard. Overweight and only getting around 12 hours of sleep- A WEEK!
I heard that the young upstart rookie wrestlers could earn about $ 70K the first year; and we're talking about 1987. Today it's about $140K plus perks.
Jimmy, what happened to you the night Saginaw PD grabbed you by the fucking throat and took you to the back locker room !?!
If the promoters has problems with IRS they could always call the Fiend.
..in Germany know one knew what IRS is. So i always thought Irwin R. Schyster Was a lawyer. Close though
I find it so amusing how Jim differed to use a word other than 'explain', like 'extrapolate'. And even though he didn't use the word, the 'L' from 'explain' still managed to rear it's ugly head in the form of a stumble upon speech, or a stutter, if you will. As the 'r' from 'extrapolate' once again tried to replace the 'L' from 'explain'. Except this time, Jim's thoughts weren't on the word 'explain', nor were his thoughts on the replacement of the word. Instead, however, Jim was intending to say the word 'glad', when suddenly he went ahead and said the word 'grad', a word never once heard uttered ever before.
I think I've exprained enough, or should I say, extlapolated.
Why would you pay Jake 25k for shaving his head? I can't get my head around it
Entertainment is weird, why do Influencers get millions to tell you to buy their new perfume?
Cash is always king
Dax isn't half bad either.
That thing that has lost 99% of it's value over the past 100 years....I'll take my cryptos, gold and silver
Cryptos haha, while i dont plan to live in 100 yeats, i know they will come back to their Zero worth a lot sooner, gimme a renner and i paint you some nfts on MSPaint
@@herzkine Haha.....these are arguments I've had over the past 5 years....in the meantime I retired, while being in debt and having "regular joe" jobs
Opoolllll
I love Jim’s territory stories and the old days. I kind tune it out if it’s something on today’s “wrestling”. Not that Jim isn’t always entertaining but because today’s product is so so so boring and horrible that not even Jesus himself could revive it at this point.
First
I am very happy for you, Dan the man.
Your mom must also be so proud of you.
Your parents will be proud
CONGRATULATIONS...for being first you win...ABSOLUTELY NOT A DAMN THING... had you been 3rd you would have won ... SWEET FUCK ALL
@@rockybalboa1847 😂😂😂
10/10 would cackle again. Bravo, good sir!👏
Here before Tony Khan Hires another Ex WWE Wrestler
Yeah the same guy who said he wouldn't repeat the mistakes of TNA 😒
It’s unfortunate you bots have to be here
@@kingslayer2999 the mistake Tna made was signing talent that was past there prime and also had bad egos and put them in creative they had great signings like Christian cage sting and Kurt angle they went wrong with hulk hogan a drunk Scott hall an broke down Kevin Nash and a bunch of washed up Legends
@@wake6937 I'm probably the biggest Nash mark you'll ever meet and even I wouldn't have hired him to wrestle at any point after like 2003 or so. He'd be a great commentator though.
I’m sick of this ex wwe argument nobody’s ex wwe they are independent contractors we can make the same argument about wwe signing ex Roh and Ex Tna Guys this is so stupid it doesn’t matter which company they where from before
Hey jim see the problems ol dusty and cody cause no one wins the race in racism
Then again maybe cody and brandi genuinely love each other look like a ken doll lol
Ken and barbie lol
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