What's The Best Water Heater Sold At Lowe's?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
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This was an exact replacement for the old one that lasted about 10 years. ruclips.net/user/postUgkx7yWIKcrbA9KMHkGSfcgxW2lsjHT6B8Sh The top of my mitigation tube by my roofline was just a 90 elbow which allowed too much debris to fall down into the fan, eventually ruining it. Without this issue, I bet it would have kept running another 10 years. When I replaced this fan, I added an extra elbow joint so the top tube now it does a 180, which should solve that problem. The radon guys around here wanted to charge me a $300 diagnostic fee, then parts/labor (probably close to $600 total). I installed this all by myself in about an hour for the cost of the fan; it would probably be even easier/faster with two people. FYI the manufacturer's warranty greatly differs depending on whether you install it yourself (1 yr warranty) or have a licensed installer do it (10 yrs).
I bought this water heater ruclips.net/user/postUgkx8G49mV71sAzUl9shXyLW-r3XgHH9EVh1 for use in my bus conversion. I installed it under my kitchen sink and it is fed by a high efficiency on-demand LP water heater. It is both a backup hot water source as well as a water saving device since we have hot water on demand rather than having to wait for the gas on demand water heater to finish its ignition cycle. I decided on this water heater due to the fact that it only draws 1300watts when it's ON instead of the 1500 watts that most Water heaters this size draw. In an RV a couple hundred watts can be a big deal. With very low standby losses, I don't have to worry about excessive power consumption. When propane is not available for our gas water heater, in conjunction with our low flow shower head there is enough hot water available to shower, albeit we won't be taking "hotel showers." Also very happy with the recovery rate of this water heater. Granted, it is quite small, but it does exactly what we need it to do.
I was in Lowes last week - the AO smith 80 gallon heat pump is now priced at $2900. Yikes!
I have a 50 gallon Rheem hybrid water heater and it's awesome. I installed it right next to my air handler inside my garage. I plumbed the condensation output from the water heater in to the same condensation line from my air handler and everything has been working flawlessly for over two years now. I've been super happy with my hybrid water heater.
Does your unit make a lot of noise ? Aparently AO smith heat pump models have a large blower making a lot of noise .. i am kinda concerned about that
I’ve got a tall, sealed crawlspace and an 80 gallon heat pump water heater. It dehumidifies my crawlspace at the same time it heats my water. I love it!
Have had the A. O. Smith 80gal heat pump for 8+ years. We are in Midwest, and barely get 2 showers before it runs out,especially in winter. When we called for (authorized) service, they said there were so many problems with this design, they were discontinued. Surprised to see they are still around, and such a glowing review. I would not recommend in this climate.
Interesting, I have a 40gal tank, live in AZ. In the summer I can't really tell when the hot water heater runs out, as it just keeps going. The 'cold water' is really just luke warm
Make sure you have shower heads that are limited to 2 gallons or so minute . If you have some old ones that let several gallons a minute through then that can cause a problem. Also crank heat up to 135 or so and put in a mixing valve set at 120. That will give your tank more heat capacity
If you hate it so much why did you keep it for 8+ years??
@@nixaeagle141 is a pretty big investment to just kick it to the curb.
I have the same electric heat pump model. Never runs out of hot water, set at 140°. Works great. Only thing is makes the laundry room an ice box. Well worth the price. I paid $1300 while on sale and rebates. Cost $1500 local, but I bought in another state and brought it home, benefits of being a truck driver
At our previous home we had two 50 gallon standard electric water heaters. I replaced them with the 80 gallon GE version of the A.O. Smith in this video. It was crazy efficient. It paid for itself in 3 years. The only issue I encountered with it was after a couple of years the exhaust fan on the heat pump began to squeal. Obviously a bearing was failing. When I called for service it wasn't covered because the warranty expired. The other thing I didn't like - Made in China.
you forgot three important items - 1, how long do these last, 2 - what periodic maintenance (other than flush) is required and 3 how do you replace the sacrificial anode?????
Manual?
UNSCREW THE TOP COVER THERE SHOULD A ANODE COVER THERE
UNCAP IT WITH A SOCKET WITH LONG EXTENSION
Appreciate the informative videos Matt! Keep it up 👍🏻
You lost me when you said Lowe's has a really good website.
preach you are correct Lowes and Home depot have the worst websites for too many reason to list here and Menards always has the products I am looking for on their site but their stores and miles and miles and miles away from me it totally sucks
@@doublebulbing BUT...Menard's def gets my vote for worst website of the three. I consider their site to be absolutely useless.
Lowe’s website blows.
So true. Home Depot’s site is far more convinient and functional. Lowe’s appears to be getting complacent. It used to be my go-to store until recently. They tend to be more expensive as well.
Are you kidding? I go to Lowes website when I'm feeling down on life
Best water heater in Matt's opinion... Well that depends on who's cutting him the check that day.
He did at least qualify the claim by stating “best available at Lowes”.
@Cody, That part! 💯😎
Well his sanden mini split is $$$$$$$
You mentioned draining the tank for sediment removal but you didn’t mention how hard/easy it is to replace the anode. I notice some of the newer tanks don’t make them easily accessible. If I’m going to pay a premium price for a signature unit, I don’t want to have to hire a plumber to replace the anode so I can get the longest use out of it.
Jim Lanigan most replacement anodes are SEGMENTED , so you won’t need the headroom,,NOBODY HAS.
I love the Hybrid hot water heaters !!! cant wait to try one out one day ! Building a new house and did not know about them till to late. Thank for Sharing Matt ! Enjoy shopping at Lowes too !
Consistently helping man thanks
Just what I needed, thanks!
Definitely Brandon.
@@buildshow how about a video on your sanden mini split ? And the cost
i got the 40 gal gas burner. works fantastic!
You could run the house exhaust air past the electric water heater for some extra heat recovery. Even after passing a heat recovery ventilator the air would still be warmer than air from outside or in a cold garage.
Have enjoyed your hot water heater episodes. I would like to see you do a comparison between an industrial heater vs a residential heater. I own a quite large but older Condo that has a boiler room for all the units. In that boiler room there is a hot water heater and storage tank that provides water for 8 units in the building. Several years ago, a residential heater was installed in the room. We have not experienced issues with residential heater but some have said we should have an industrial heater. Would love to hear your impressions.
The gas water heater also needs a condensate line, most of the fan based units do. The cooler exhaust introduces water in the system before it reaches the outside. So too the high efficiency combustion furnaces, reducing their reliability.
I would like to see the top one from Homedepot and Lows electric, IE AC Smith, or Rem I think is Homedepot, which brand is better. Both stores ar great for us non pro people.
Which brand of tankless gas water heater do you recommend? Thanks.
Great video. This really helped as I begin my search. I did notice this video is now 4 years old. Are there any differences or improvements on the hybrid model? Do they perform better now than 4 years ago? Thank you!
Thanks I need one I had hope to get one the same size
If you don't have a floor drain handy for the heat pump model you can use a "Little Giant" pump and catch pan and pump it overhead to a sink or outdoors. That's how we did our condensate from our air handler. Right into our utility sink. Quiet, efficient, works great.
Wowzers! Mr Big time sponsored by Lowe’s! Congratulations
Thanks! Sure goes a long way towards making two videos a week having some sponsorship.
Being in Florida I'd love to put one of those units in my garage. I'd certainly have to set up a condensate pump to get rid of the water. My garage has no floor drain.
The first time it breaks your plumber will perform a walletectomy.
LOL!
Oh noooo...is that fatal? 😅
Open heart wallectomy
Got plans or more pics of those desks in the background? Nice looking.
Per “this old house” , said changing the anode rod every 3 years will extend the life of the heater for around 30 years. 3-24-2021
Mr. Risinger and his everlasting love of hot water heaters haha...Merry Christmas everyone!
that ac electric unit seems a good option for hot weathers were you need the aditional cooling it provides!
wheres the link to the video about sediment inside the heaters?
just installed a 50 gallon A.O. Smith hybrid unit...1,900.00 bucks now....but a 2,000 dollar tax rebate made it free ..so far I'm impressed
Tank Water Heater is very conveniently , I truly recommend !!!
right now my hot water heater is about 6 feet from my furnace. would the heat pump one have a negative effect on my furnace?
Just finished installing a unit 10 minutes ago - I viewed your earlier vid on water heaters as a guide . . . didn't buy from Lowe's though :(
You forgot to mention that the Heat Pump model is a Hybrid and it does have 2 resistance elements in it just like the regular electric model that can be used for quicker recovery when needed! So if you were a household with only a couple of people living there on a normal basis you could run it in Eco mode and only use the Heat Pump, but if you had guests drop by for a weekend and you all needed to take showers back to back you could put it in Hybrid mode and utilize the resistance elements to give you far quicker recovery and quicker hot water output. Yes that would use more electricity and cost more, but that option is there if needed.
the supply house which usually go sale a.o smith too, but they are prolite model commercial grade. got brass drain valve and two layer glass coating.
Would it be beneficial to have a buffer tank for the electric model, like a standard water tank to preheat the water, just to help with the recovery? Thanks if you can help
No it would not as it would still cost you heat the water being preheated in the extra water heater!
I bought two GE geo spring heat pump water heaters. They were about $900 each, and the state of Oregon gave me 100% of my cost back.
It's nice that you were able to pick your neighbors pockets for $1800, I guess.
Which explains why the Left Coast is so screwed up.
@@bguen1234 that's not how tax incentives/credits work but okay.
@@TylerDickey1 did the state give you any money back? or did you pay less in taxes? If the former then your neighbors did provide it as gov't has nothing they don't take first.
Two questions that come to mind on the Electric water heater. How often would it have to be clean (the fan portion) if there is a lot of wood cutting done in the same area, such as a garage? How loud is the exhaust fan/heat pump for the Electric unit?
I'm sure there are more questions, but these were the first two that come to mind or can be important based on location. I'm sure other questions like pump maintenance/servicing are all answered in the manual.
can you compare Rheem Hybrid vs AOS hybrid? Also Rheem has a new 15amp version of the hybrid with $161 year cost.
Great video. My gas water heater was installed 34 years ago this month. When it needs to be replaced I probably will not find that quality again. By the way I have never drained the tank or replaced the anode rod.
WOW we are on our 3rd one in that time period who was yours made by
Are you on a well? Have a 23 year old electric and wondering if lack of chlorine was the reason. Has been drained a few times, not recently. Never changed the anode.
Janice Anmary. You are correct. You Will NOT find the same quality available. Especially if you were to look at Lowe's, HD, or any other big box stores. I've been a Plumber all my working life. 36 years now. I took home a used, 50 gal' standard gas water heater that I changed out because the homeowner thought it was too old and would need replacing soon. That was eight years ago. Still working just fine. Since then I have even collected two "spares". Just in case. I could easily buy a brand new one if needed. But, Why?
Janice Anmary , my 40 gallon, gas A.O. Smith was installed in 1993. It's showing signs that it's beginning to fail but 26 years is pretty amazing. I too have been researching and it sounds like A.O. Smith is no longer that reliable. Btw, it was never drained or had the anode rod replaced.
I could write Volumes of experience based opinion on water heaters. A few basic truths will have to do.
If it ain't leaking. It can be fixed and work again. A water heater from a plbg supply place is well worth the expense. Big box stores buy sub standard product on the cheap and insure them to cover loss. Sure! They're warranteed. Just bring it back to the store for a pro-rated replacement. If you can get yours out, and to the store early Sat morning. You can have the new one installed by bath time Sat night. Right?
A metal vent gas/lp is the most RELIABLE system. Simple is better!!!
If you want fuel efficiency. Go buy a Prius. Hot water is something an intelligent person won't skimp on.
I waste more money on car insurance that I haven't used in forty years, than I spent on water heaters that I use EVERY DAY for that same forty yrs. Let that sink in
Matt who made those wooden standup/stool height desks in the background. I would like to know where to get a plan for one of those. They look awesome!
One item you did not mention, which could not be demonstrated in video w/non-operating HPWH, is what level db's does this produce in operation? I'd also be curious what sort of CFM of air they need. Our residence has detached garage and no basement thus those placement options are not tenable. I can place in laundry area which is off rear entry, behind kitchen but 20' from living/entertaining area. For reference, the laundry machines are modern front loaders which are reasonably quiet but we do not run them when we are entertaining in living room. The alternative is to place in utility room off kitchen where hydronic system boiler and ERV system is located which is 36sq ft but is non-vented and reasonably sound proof.
I am planning to replace mine. It’s in the garage and worried from fan noise !! How loud is the electric vent fan ???
Also for the heat pump water heaters you dpnt necessarily need a floor drain, a automatic sump pump can take it to where you need it. And in cold climates sticking out the wall will not work. It will freeze. Tried it with my RO system.
Or let the cat drink it.
Great info, thanks Matt. In the south (I'm in Georgia) how well would the electric work if it's installed in an unconditioned space. Thinking winter time if it gets down to the 30's or 40's where the heater is located. Being a heat pump, is it going to have a hard time in that kind of ambient temp?
In the south the heat pump unit would be great in the summer in a conditioned space since the output is cool, dry air. Less load on the AC unit, a win-win.
When the temperature cools down though its still kicking out cool air, more than in the summer since the input water temperature drops. If its in a conditioned space your furnace has to re-heat the air the water heater is cooling. If its in a non-conditioned space the ambient air will be much cooler which lowers the efficiency of the heat pump.
I got the Lowes AO 50 gal heat pump version for around $850. Saves about $25-30 per month over my original electric. Keep my garage nice and cool in the summer times also.
The heat pump unit also has electric coils as backup where if the heat pump can’t keep up the electric coils kick in
I have a 50 gallon Rheem Performance Platinum Hybrid water heater that uses the heat pump technology. Water heater installed in September 2018. I absolutely love this water heater. I have 5 people in my house and if we all take a quick shower the last person can still have a little warm water left when they begin their shower but they better hurry it may get cold soon. Haha. The water heater has a setting that you can enable that will allow the heating elements to operate at the same time as the heat pump which allows for faster water heating than the heat pump alone. We live in KY and the water heater is extremely efficient. Costing about $7/month to operate in the warmer months and about $15/month in the cooler months. Love this water heater.
Matt do you have any comparisons on Liquid Propane water heaters?
You might want to consider doing an episode on water conservation or ways to limit water usage for high drought areas.
It’s called taking a navy shower.
I have an AO Smith 50 gallon gas (running propane) power vent hot water tank and we've never run out of hot water even with back to back showers and baths. My only complaint is how loud the fan is.
The heat pump version can be run as a hybrid, no? Isn't that what those two black plastic plates are for on the front of the unit? Aren't those elements?
AO Smith also has a line of tankless by name of "State Water Heaters" out of Tennessee. I know you are a fan of tankless when appropriate, so wonder what is your opinion of the "State" tankless products. These State water heaters are now available through local Costco Warehouse stores at a big discount, but only for the water heater. Installation is by your own plumber. What do you know or think about the State tankless products?
Check your utility companies for rebates too 👏🏽
your better off with a basic electric unit the heat pump requires someone to repair it with specialized training and equipment
I know building science is your thing so you spend a lot of time on energy efficiency and durability of the envelope but it would be nice to see some videos on interior finishes and floorplan design. Perhaps a kitchen tour, paint types, or some trim carpentry video's
So the one on the left is really only energy efficient in warmer climates or during the summer time. Because if it takes the heat energy out of the ambient air, which you paid for in heating fuel to heat, then it's essentially using your heating fuel to heat the water with extra steps. Would be nice if you could connect it to your heating system, so that if the heating system is active it turns off the heat pump feature, as that is then more inefficient than simply heating it with electric only.
I have the smaller 40 gal gas water heater and my yearly cost sticker says over 600$ a year why is the bigger one say 270$???!! I live in New York dose it matter by region?
Hay Matt , I live down in San Antonio . I really like your show . I'm a master Woodwright 30 years experience . Now disabled from a really bad auto wreck . I live in a used mobile Home . Do you think you could do me a favor . Do a few on mobile homes.
I agree. It's like 1:30 in the morning and I just had to crawl under the house, to cut off my water. It's winter, and there's like 4 inches of snow on the ground. It was a sight to see I'm sure.
I have noticed that my water heater with heat pump works only couple of hours in 24 hours period so to get more bang for my buck I wonna heat the fresh air after HRV with the water heater while it is in stand by mode for hot water
Dumb question. You mentioned the nearly % 30 loss energy in the gas model and then remarked on the low exhaust temps at the flue. Where then are the losses occurring? My old style unit exhausts high flue gas temps.
A condensing gas water heater can get up to 96% efficiency, because they extract so much energy from the burned gas that the water vapor produced condenses back to liquid water. These units have a secondary heat exchanger. However, the one he discussed is not a condensing unit, so it doesn't have as high of an efficiency. It's still a lot better than the old-style kind (like you have) that needs metal flues and masonry chimneys because of the high flue gas temperature. The losses come from the limitations of how long and how intimately the hot gases can be in contact with the heat exchanger (and thermodynamics, of course). The 70% efficiency models do a better job than the 50% efficiency models, but they aren't perfect. You have to go to the condensing style water heaters to do even better. That is also why the more efficient units need a fan to force the air up the flue--the lower the temperature of the exhaust, the less draft there is.
How long do these last?? 10 years? 15 years?
I’ll take the gas one in 40-60gal
For cold climates can't you turn off the heat pump and use the regular elements in winter?
Bob W you sure can.
Would these tanks be suitable as heat sources for in floor heat systems?
John Powell in a company I had worked at, they did just the lobby,,and the floor heat came off the domestic water heater( gas fired), naturally it had controls on it so the 120^F water did NOT go to the floor.
My local Lowes has a rebate running on the 80 gallon AO Smith electric unit, a whopping $50. I'll pass.
I've been very happy with a 60 gallon Whirlpool with the timer on it. Turns on for first thing of the AM use, then again after dinner for evening showers. I'm under $350 a year to run the heater.
Gunga Dinn the return in investment with hybrid water heaters is phenomenal. We install Rheem hybrids and their energy guide says 118 a year to operate, combine that with the ten year warranty on parts and it’s a pretty clear choice when it comes to savings. Added benefit is if you have a heater in the garage the Heat pump will help cool/dehumidify the space. Same with basements.
I believe they bought wp
I have found heat pump water heaters to recover faster in units that have a high demand mode using both the electric element and the heat-pump much faster than gas.
Why not install a drainwater heat recovery system?
@Matt Risinger Considering how critical hot water is for a house, I think these units seem a little too complicated. More complexity means more things to go wrong or fail. A simple gas unit without the exhaust motor is solidly reliable, even when the power goes out. My power went out for 12 hours a couple weeks ago during a big snow storm. I was so glad I at least had water and it was hot.
Ah...the intensity of 1st world problems. So this makes as much sense as driving a tractor trailer as a commuter vehicle because once every couple of years i need to haul some freight. May I suggest making constant use products like water heater as efficient as practical and having a back up system that can be used the few hours/days a decade that the typical home is out of power.
@@steve32627 My main point is the the water heater, being such a simple device never breaks.......EVER! These things have many components of possible failure. There's a good chance over their 10 to 15 year lifetime that something will break. Not likely on the simple gas unit. Plus gas is cheap. Not really saving much here. Remember back in 2007 when people thought natural gas was going to go up? That never happened. I pay the same price for nat gas as I was paying in 1998!
Actually my point is that our North American answer to almost anything is throw more energy at the problem no matter what options are available. We run 50-60% efficient gas units because "they never break" (I would argue that point, btw...they have pilots, thermocouples, gas valves, pressure regulating diaphragms, sediment traps/screens, tank electrolysis, ect). So the answer we unwittingly give is "I want to put my extra 30% load on all the existing infrastructure just so I'm never inconvenienced" take that times the hundreds of water heaters in a typical metropolitan square mile and eventually we have a utility level problem. A compressor driven refrigeration appliance is boringly mature technology. My last refrigerator was over 20 years old when replaced. It was replaced for capacity reasons not functionality. Someday we'll learn that society needs us to think beyond the "me" box.
@@saulgoodman2018 the next time your tank needs replacing please consider something more efficient than a standing pilot, natural draft unit. For those random days without power, water can always be heated on a stovetop. A few days inconvience verses a decade + of responsible conservation of resources.
@@saulgoodman2018 when comparing electric to gas, it is quite possible that a gas unit is more efficient than a basic resistance electric. It really depends on the source fuel for the electricity. The flip side is within the catagory of gas, there's your typical 50-60% units up to 90%+ condensing units. As one of the top energy intensive appliances in a typical household, any improvement from the basic builder grade resistance electric or standing pilot/natural draft gas machine is an all around win.
Can you get units that burn propane?
So in order for these heat pump systems to work they take the heat out of the ambient air.
If one lives in a cold climate with a basement (where the water heater more than likely lives) you'll be heating the basement so the water heater can take the heat out of the air to heat the water?
Hows that even out?
MARK V you are exactly right! It will lower the temperature of the room it's in. This would work great if your water heater is installed in an attached garage in Florida, but up north in a basement......no.
I’m in the north. I run a water heater and a dehumidifier in my basement during the summer. A hybrid heater would be perfect during that time of the year when I am cooling and dehumidifying. It wouldn’t work well for me in the winter. I wish they made a gas unit with heat pump capabilities. That would fit my needs.
yeah that i why I did not get one. cold climate, whats the efficiency when you have efficiency loss in heating and then again in heat pumping?
How cold are you keeping your basement? In MIchigan I've never been in a basement that got all that cold. Usually maybe 5 degrees or less cooler than the rest of the house
@@ELIRAXPRT The point is that you are expending energy to heat your basement up north. The water heater then indirectly uses that energy to heat the water. You actually get worse efficiency than a normal resistance heater in this scenario due to the energy consumption of the heat pump.
Say you pump 50k BTU of heat into your basement. The water heater uses say 25k BTUs of that to heat the water, you now have to pump 25k BTU MORE into your basement to maintain the same temperature, and you're now powering the compressor on the hot water heater as well as saving no extra power.
If you have time, Matt, do you have a presentation of tankless hot water heaters? Mine is over 10 years old (Phx, AZ) and a tank unit would need to be outdoors in a new build closet.
Thanks for mentioning the airflow at the end. My water heater is in a closet.
Dude....don't forget the attic! Living in Texas you know that! Interesting how you totally omitted the attic. 🤔
To take BTUH out of a basement or other dwelling unit into your Water Tank requires you take make BTUH with your heating system. So you could be using your Electric House Heating system to make hot water in lieu of an electric heating element in a conventional water heater.
Like a heat pump used to heat a home, theses will not work if your air temperature is to low.
So keep in mind how this works.
Ideally if install this in a Northern Climate you have gas heat. So your 95% efficient furnace keeps the room with the water heater warm. In my area turning off your natural gas meter saves you about $30+ per month. So only having gas for (4) months saves you $240 per year ( 8 months X $30 each month ). Of course this means your kitchen and clothes dryer are also electric.
That fancier unit is probably better for warm climates since it's removing heat from the home. In the winter in most climates in the US, that means more energy costs to heat the home/space.
actually not that much,
remember that the freezing point is still many degrees above absolute 0
so you can extract heat out of air that is well below 0 degrees fahrenheit or celcius.
6:10 I wish you would do more information about colder climates.
I know, I know, you are in Texas and that is where your expert advice works best. I want your expert advice like this for cold climates. ;-)
I agree and I know hes got a ton of northern viewers... you can see it in his comments lol
I live in the south now. And for some reason they put these water heaters in the attic. What brand of 50 gallon electric would you trust if you had to replace one. I think I have a state 50 gallon electric water heater there now. Coming up on 12 years but no problems. Just want to replace it and I’m not sure I would buy anything from Lowes or Home Depot because the fittings look cheap and plastic.
what is the anode and what does it do?
In winter the HP units add load to central heat so not worth in cold climate. You pay oil (or electric resistive) for heat then the HP sucks that heat into water ends up paying the energy twice.
It be nice if talk about tank life and detail warranty
seems to me that electric is cheaper to use, since it is using surrounding warm air..., for which you already paid with your house heating system!!!!! Would you try to put it outside and then obtain hot water for your shower???
I called City of Austin Power to get more information on their rebates and they told me that only homes that are 10 years or older will qualify for the rebate, not new construction.
Matt,
I’m confused about the energy guide label on the electric unit. If this is highly energy efficient and a top of the line hybrid unit, why is the energy usage only in the middle of the ratings? Wouldn’t I want the choice of the unit with the lowest annual cost? An explanation would really help.
It is confusing, but this is a sponsered video. The 80 gallon Rheem, which Lowes doesn't sell, is way better than this AO Smith. The Rheem has an 89 gallon first hour and costs $161 per year.
I don’t have a problem with sponsor videos, but I think Matt has been a strong advocate for efficient homes and accurate information. I expect him to promote products that are in line with his philosophy of building science and I expect that he won’t promote products that fall short. I would like to hear from Matt about his comfort level with the content provided in this video and whether he is being true to his audience. I’ve not been disappointed before in the many interesting videos I’ve watched of the Build Show. This one bothers me a lot.
So after all of your high praise on Lowes website I went there to check out hybrid water heaters. Link broken. I navigate from the home page- Plumbing/Water Heaters (by category) / Electric... Link says, "Whoops!
This link or address no longer works, so let's try something else"
My thought: lets try another company with a website that works... very frustrating.
Mike K there is only 1 brand where the refrigerant circuit DOES NOT GO INTO THE WATER CIRCUIT, but bu a shrink fit circuit AROUND THE TANK STEILBRON ELECTRIC it’s from GERMANY
We used a similar brand system,,where the refrigerant circuit , was around the tanks,,worked excellently,,consider this a circuit failure where water gets in the refrigerant circuit with 1400lbs of gas
At the beginning of the video there was a disclosure in the bottom left corner that said;
This is a paid ADVERTISEMENT, or something to that effect. Smart on Lowe’s part using Matt. Unfortunately for Matt his credibility as a objective evaluator takes a hit
Really don't think that I would ever purchase an 80gal water heater for my 2000 sq ft house with two occupants.
I actually just bought the AO Smith 40 gal gas model. The only thing I was really impressed by is the extended warranty, which gives you five more years of replacement with labor.
The Bradford White Defender it replaced was only eight years old. The tank split. P.O.S.
Matt do a video on three homes with all the good better best with cost of each home! And to make it sweet all products has to be available to the public and has been on the market for more than 3 months! Second, the best home has to be a all round climate home with the absolute best products available to human kind! Lastly all homes have to have a 30yr plus exterior! And they all have to be above code. Plus all have to have a erv or hrv! Might be a awesome video!
The average person is not looking for a $2,000 water heater . Come back down to the $400-$600 range.
What pressure do you yanks run your water systems at? I don't see a pressure rating on either of those.
The T&P valves (temperature and pressure) that all water heaters have is rated to 150 PSI and 210 F for safety reasons. 40 to 80 PSI is typical for US households. If you had 100 PSI or greater water coming in, it would lead to all sorts of problems. In those cases, a pressure-reducing valve is usually installed at the main.
150PSI and 210F. That's 1034kPa and 98.9°C. I think our safety valves operate at similar numbers.
40 to 80PSI. That's 276 to 552kPa. That's low. Incoming water here is normally 1000kPa. Pressure reducing valves are mandatory. Normally to 400 or 600kPa.
What sort of life do these cylinders get at those pressures. Ours are basically a consumable - every 5 years, like clockwork.
Many manufacturers offer lower quality units to the big box stores for the consumer. I don't know if this is the case with the AO Smith, but I know Rheem and some others do this. This is probably why that gas unit had a nylon drain valve. If you source from a plumbing supply house or directly from the manufacturer you can get the same model with better parts for basically the same price. An unfortunate part of manufacturer deals that hurts the average consumer.
yep that is how the sell welders also crap parts in the big box ones and good parts in the welding store sold ones
that why i push my customer get the water heater from me instead of big box stores. better warranty support and higher grade product
How come no one ever talks about the thickness of the foam insulation used in water heaters? I'm looking to buy the most energy efficient model that I can find, which I assume will use 2+ inches of foam.
Which is better? Rheem 80 gallons platinum electric or OA Smith 80 gallons electric.
Great info! Thank you
Thank you. Good info...needing to replace an electric water heater.
Just did a heat pump 65gal water heater install back in October - was super easy, and have already noticed a drop in electric bill.
Perfect...thanks
I switched to heat pump water heater back in june. huge drop in electric. watch matts other videos and look at the rheem (one i got) being able to duct it is a huge plus!
Both of these are higher, but the electric heat pump model is $2700 now! It almost seems as if they've raised the price so they can benefit from the rebates.
Matt, will you be doing any additional Q&A sessions for the paid subscribers soon?
Yes! Let’s do one next week! What’s the best day for you?
@@buildshow Great news. Any time Wednesday through Saturday works for me