So you recommend, instead of getting something that works, get something that keeps getting RMAS 24/7 from broken controllers and more? ... sounds smart... American made garbage... I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :)
@@knucklesuganda7110 Don't overstate the issue you dweeb, most people don't have issues with the Index. And fine, stick with your overpriced but ultimately inferior products. Don't come in here and spread lies to justify your purchases.
@Knuckles Uganda the knuckles are now being manufactured fixed. Still though, id rather have a goofy analog stick than have my hands spaz-out. You can choose to buy the index without the controllers. Aswel as people are flat out buying the new Cosmos faceplate just so they can use vive tracking as an upgrade. The lad in the video is even using it to get away from Cosmos tracking. Dont fool yourself.
@@DriveCancelDC inferior/ overpriced? sorry son, I got more money than you, I own multiple headsets even ones not listed.. also "KID" take your salt elsewhere, sorry to dissapoint, but at least i can use WIRELESS! and live with better warranty from AMAZON
The Cosmos is fine unless you play Pavlov and do the occluded controllers a lot, but i dont play those. I even have the lighthouses from my vive, but not buying the faceplate. I have 400+ hours on mine and love it.
@CognosSquare im not about to buy an HMD that can only play specific games smoothly :/ That tiny thing right there says alot about the Cosmos. They should have not done their light tracking. Simply. Not to mention its weird price point.
@@CognosSquare The headset and controller drift on the Cosmos is noticeably worse than the much cheaper Quest. It's worse at everything compared to every other room-scale headset.
4:27 OK, let me rephrase that: "If you are a Cosmos owner, and highly regret that purchase, and obviously can't find anyone who'd want to buy it off of you (so you can buy an Index instead), but you still happen to have your old Vive Wands and Lighthouses laying around, then you can now spend yet another $200, to make your Cosmos useable and playable, and get a much better experience." :)
@@Ducksnuget I've had a bad view of them over their $200 repair fees for replacing lenses, poor RMA practices such as unable to warranty or verify the serial number on a Vive Pro HMD since they said the serial number on my HMD didn't exist. Yeah, I'm offloading all of my Vive products as soon as the Index HMD offers wireless.
I bought the cosmos for my son for christmas and instantly he didn't like it because of tracking troubles. It just sucks that I have to pay more to get better tracking... Feel ripped off. Won't be dealing with HTC after this.
SommeR10X You clearly have a reading disability to not understand that “pay more” means on the already purchased product. No the Rift S is not perfect. As soon as you claim a product is perfect you lose credibility as no product is perfect.
@@Somtric I can say from my personal experience that the rift s does not track perfectly. Especially compared to my cv1. I'm near competitive with beatsaber on my personal cv1, but when using my friend's rift s, even expert levels are a challenge because of the occlusion inacuracies and the tracking rate (very possibly also a lack of experience with the headset, but either way, the first thing I noticed was the reduction in tracking rate). While being much better than the cosmos, and perfectly usable for most people, it is far from perfect
@Alonso Reyes I own one, and it has the best tracking out there. But to say it's perfect is to say there is no more room for improvement. Got mine back in September and I've put in hundreds of hours in it. Dont get me wrong, I love it.
It's nice to see HTC stepping aside from making good products and give other companies a try. That controller should have never left testing. No one should buy it where a $200 WMR can get you better tracking at less than a third the price. It looks like HTC is neck deep in sunk cost fallacy.
Not that anybody asked, thought I’d share my thoughts. The fact that the VR device has so many issues, there are two possibilities of what they wanted to achieve. One, it could be similar to if a laboratory published their discovery or invention before everything was written out and complete. There are multiple holes or “bugs”, but they want to get their finding out and “funding” furthered, so they pushed out an incomplete product. I only say that because I’m learning about scenarios like this in my college research methods class. 2, or it could be they wanted to push a incomplete product, so they could then sell “patches” for it, in the shape of the faceplate, or additional devices to sync to the HTC VIVE. In other words, a shady Marketing attempt to squeeze out more money from the consumers. Insert funny Fallout 4 meme about really bad choices: Everyone disliked that. *super edit* received a comment wondering if I was a native English speaker. It was just a case of a really exhausted Texan boy trying to sound smart, so I reformatted the content.
I will go with first one, as I believe HTC has to launch a robust inside-out tracking for the sake of survive in this VR business. All-in-one VR HMD will be the mainstream of VR in the near future.As you can tell an easy to set up HMD without any additional Lighthouse tracking will encourage more people to join VR world. Oculus quest is the wonderful example of that. Also in one of the Chinese news report state that , the head of HTC China has said: Cosmos is all developing by HTC itself, as you know HTC had been criticized for owing less VR relative patterns compare to his competitors on(e.g Microsoft ,Samsung and Facebook) .It had happened before when HTC still in phone business and then heavily rely on the supplier to offer them the tech, unlike Samsung vertical integrate all the components and make all the parts. In conclusion, they just fail to launch a good tracking HMD and as the VR section be the main source of company revenue , the price tag just cannot be lower.Viveport infinity seems to be right yet the content just not will be compete with Oculus’s
So in short, Cosmos users must pay $200 extra to get tracking on par with a 4 year old headset. Sometimes I wish Tested would ask more difficult questions, instead of pussyfooting around the issue.
Htc is dead in the water. Honestly cant see them competiting with Valve or Oculus the only reason HTC was doing well is because valve was supporting them.
getting the vive pro since it is the only head set i can buy that is still within it's msrp then getting valve knuckles and mabey the valve index head set
Yeah, $900 for the Cosmos plus the new faceplate. But that doesnt even include the other tracked controllers. So thats another $260 for vive wands or $280 for index controllers(as both new from main websites). And I still dont know if you need base stations too. So to have the cosmos with good tracking, costs more the the index package. That is, if you take the upgrade path. They do have a Cosmos Elite bundle, which is the cosmos. But just vive wands, vive faceplate, and lighthouses. $900. So, I could pay $900 for a decent HMD and really old controllers. Or for $100 more I can go index and have a direct upgrade...
@@lethaldumpster2699 for me it was 1200 euro i cant even equipe the wireless because i can't place it (graphic card too big ) Rtx 2080 in a medium size pc) i also need to buy the faceplate box and controller ( gonna take the index controller) might be costy so i cant really buy them now and having a small room is really small is not good
I would really love to know what Vive is smoke'n these days where they think you as the consumer should have to pay to beta test their HMD's. They don't even try to be covert about it either, lol.
@@dertythegrower but this is for people who already have base stations. So you can upgrade to an Index + K'nuckles Controllers for much less than a Cosmos and face plate.
I feel like HTC's plan was always gonna be to come out with a modular system for the Cosmos even if the inside out tracking turned out to be phenomenal, it just so happened that it, well, isn't.
As long as the tracking is this RBG camera broken mess, I could never recommend this to anyone. If they could make the tracking as good as Rift S then it would be a no brainer for new people.
Rift S is much cheaper as well. And if you're willing to sacrifice some image quality and comfort you can get a Quest that doubles as its own entire standalone VR console... HTC has no market here.
Thats because HTC's AI team isnt very good, but Facebook has one of the best AI teams in the world. I am confident they will achieve perfect external tracing with their next product
Man without Valve, HTC is floundering to keep Vive up to snuff with modern VR. I am so glad I dropped the cash on an Index, well worth the cost for the best VR experience
you have the rift that is much cheaper with a lot better inside tracking and better controllers, and you have the index with much better tracking, FOV and controllers. Why would anyone buy this?
So you recommend, instead of getting something that works, get something that keeps getting RMAS 24/7 from broken controllers and more? ... sounds smart... American made garbage... I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :)
Do you want to spend a lot on VR? Sell your HTC and get an Index. Do you want to spend a little on VR? Sell your HTC, get a Quest and Link cable. HTC screwed up pretty badly. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Quest if you mainly want standalone VR and are only planning to use the Link for games that aren't natively on the Quest, and aren't too fast paced. Link is no replacement for PCVR, if you mainly want PCVR, get the Rift S.
@@dagrox2562 I have a quest and can actually play it over Wireless desktop that looks better, and functions just as well as regular Pcvr. Dear the reddit forum and a lot of people that even have Pcvr headset just use their quest now. The ONLY excuse to use a wire is if you want to run an index at 144hz. Beyond that it's not worth it.
@Joseph Witten Wireless, Amazon sales... finger tracking (no controllers), eye tracking, higher resolution, better quality, upgrades.... WIRELESS AGAIN... AMAZON BETTER SUPPORT AND WARRANTY , REFUNDS within 2 years! (Or depending on manufcater warranty if longer) What does valve offer?? Shit warranty. Valve only sale (screwing over australia, and many countries) Higher FOV Cheaper for poor people on a budget... No next day delivery. Can't get a refund after 14 days.... (Unlike amazon) Can't say your headset is broken within 2 years get a full refund and buy a newer headset.. ^ I rather buy a cosmos elite, use my 2.0 base stations, full body tracking, and index controllers, (THE REAL EXPENSIVE PROPER WAY) sorry I'm not cheap, and rather have AMAZON SALES
@Joseph Witten You want to speak of sound but use the INDEX built-in speakers.... xD God I pity you so much. You've never experienced real sound again my 820s Are far superior, hell even my mod mic, and rode microphones sound better.. All hail ANTLION, All hail SENNHEISER,
HTC: "We designed the cosmos as a "family product" we knew ISO was a failure so we include that in the box at full cost to our customers. This enables us to sting our customers for the hardware that SHOULD have been used in the first place, which is good for our money".
HTC should just pack it up, they failed us all... Quest is just better Linked or Standalone... Tracking is Horrible and that's a make or break in VR... If u would've used the same tracking Oculus uses in the Cosmos I would've brought one but no u fucked up and can't unfuck it.
Buy all the plates you wish.... You're still stuck with the same resolution, screens and lenses... Make those swappable/upgradable and you may just be on to something... My Wish list: much wider FOV (for me one of biggest drawbacks of all VR, is the restrictive binocular tunnel vision), better lenses and ability to run PC connected or stand alone. Bonus points for a connection port for external storage like a thumb drive to run off of!! Just my two cents..
@@sammckee6579 I think you want to watch Linus video ruclips.net/video/AGScX_8plYw/видео.html&t The quest does sound better on paper, but in reality, you do loose some of the responsiveness and comfort (although the last part is fixable)
Honestly, never had an issue with Cosmos tracking outside of using two hands on a rifle. However, the biggest offender is the goddam design and weight. The controllers are too big and don't fit into the hand comfortably. Due to the un-ergonomic design of the grips they keep on wanting to slip out of your grasp so you constantly have to re-adjust. Rift S controllers are lighter and compensate with the knuckle straps. The headset is too front end heavy and the head brace don't fit the head as comfortably as the Rift S. Rift S feels like a much more immersive experience while you are constantly reminded of the giant rock you have strapped to your face with the Cosmos. Along with the tiny sweet spot on the Cosmos means that you are constantly taken out of the immersion. Definitely Rift S is the superior experience. Cosmos is probably only good for watching VR porn.
Before we knew the tracking was going to be garbage, I remember it was teased to support vr off a phone (something unique to the scene right now). What happened to that? I haven’t heard it mentioned once since release
The tracking definitely has to continue to improve. "Good Enough" is not enough in today's market considering the current competition but having said that and to their credit they are continuing to work on it so i am hopeful that they will be able to resolve the remaining issues. What they didn't mention is that the original OG Vive wands don't work with the 2.0 base stations, only the 1.0 version and since the design is way over 4 years old ( and no thumb sticks) in my humble opinion they really need to upgrade them to something more suitable to the second decade of the 21st century (if you know what I mean) otherwise they just won't compete in the current market successfully. Index controllers are a great example of what they need to develop but try getting a pair these days , they only have half the product or 1.5 so to speak. Maybe a third party will come up with compatible controllers that are easier to use and have more functionality. Finally I think the AR\VR face plate is really interesting and I hope they implement it well (and fix the tracking) it will give them a edge. A bummer that we have to get third party devices for eye tracking with the Cosmos. In any case great and informative interview thanks it's good to hear information coming for the source so to speak.
even with the index's quality control problems it is still a much better buy. like i have the index and had to replace the controllers for not working out of the box, i made a support ticket and they quickly responded and sent me new ones that work great. and with the $200 cover it's $100 more than an index full kit. the only reason i would ever see anyone buying one of these is because you just cant buy an index since its always sold out.
Owning the HTC VIVE and the VIVE PRO i'm not really looking for higher resolution screens reason being that i already have to turn down quality in the game for it to run at 90fps. And yes i'm using a high end pc with 2080TI . once i can run ACC and DCS with everything set to high then its time to move on to higher resolution HMD's . So for now its Nvidia and AMD that have to do their bit . ;-)
The only real advantage of the HTC headsets in my opinion is that they are the only headsets with a proper PCVR wireless solution available. And they kill it with the much too high price and the fact you cant combine the parts you need without paying a lot more (like Elite + Base Stations V2 + Index Controller + Wireless). As soon as the first competitor (Oculus or Valve) will also bring a wireless solution, HTC will completely die off I think. The real next step in PCVR is wireless PCVR because its more important to the most then more refresh rate oder a slightly bigger FOV. HTC could have used this advantage from the beginning with making a really good wireless overall package but they completely failed it.
I don't really understand why you would spend 200 on this face plate. If you buy base stations, controllers, and dongles for connecting them you can have the inside out tracking for just your head which seems to work fine. The controllers are then tracked externally which works great, so instead of spending 200 on a face plate just spend 30 on two vive tracker dongles.
Since they love to offer so many options, they could have used Cosmos controllers and integrated lighthouse tracking in the ring instead of inside out.
This should be free. I feel sorry for the people that put faith in HTC . As an og Vive owner I am glad I jumped ship (now pimax 5k+ with index controllers with my original lighthouses) HTC are going disappear in less than 10 years because they do not give a shit about their customers
>be me >cosmos owner >dont have base stations or wands >buying something pretty much equal to the index for 2 times the price with knuckles and 2.0 stations thanks htc
I believe HTC has to launch a robust inside-out tracking for the sake of survive in this VR business. All-in-one VR HMD will be the mainstream of VR in the near future.As you can tell an easy to set up HMD without any additional Lighthouse tracking will encourage more people to join VR world. Oculus quest is the wonderful example of that. Also in one of the Chinese news report state that , the head of HTC China has said: Cosmos is all developing by HTC itself, as you know HTC had been criticized for owing less VR relative patterns compare to his competitors on(e.g Microsoft ,Samsung and Facebook) .It had happened before when HTC still in phone business and then heavily rely on the supplier to offer them the tech, unlike Samsung vertical integrate all the components and make all the parts. In conclusion, they just fail to launch a good tracking HMD and as the VR section be the main source of company revenue , the price tag just cannot be lower.Viveport infinity seems to be right yet the content just not will be compete with Oculus’s
Not to excuse the Cosmos, but why are you holding a handgun up close to your face? It should be held out with your dominant arm at not quite full reach. Watch some shooting videos.
I bought the cosmos from a friend as my first vr set. It's great for casual fun but I find with games such as kingspray vr and pavlov it doesn't track well enough for accuracy. Plus the other issue is in Australia they never released the steam vr sets like the index so to buy one its about 1800 aud to buy a full set. Most people are selling them individually as in headsets separate to controllers etc for 900+ aud it's nuts.
I feel like this interview hurt HTC more than helped. They feel...bumbling and evasive, and don't say much. Poor dudes are sitting there answering questions that they know they don't have solutions for. I'm still waiting for HTC to released these faceplates by posting a video of them all on a table spinning around.
I have a Cosmos and a Vive Pro w/2.0 base stations/controllers so I may consider purchasing the $200 faceplate. One question I have is if I change over to the new faceplate will it still work with the current Cosmos VR system (eg. Origin/lense) or does it need to only use SteamVR like my Vive Pro? Also, would I be able to use the Vive Pro Link Box or would I still need to use the Cosmos Link Box and if so would I be able to use the Cosmos Link Box with my Vive Pro in order to make switching between headsets easier? Thanks.
For just a little more than that you could basically afford a whole new VR system (Samsung Odyssey Plus if it's on sale, or any other WMR headset). 200 USD is insane for just a tracking upgrade.
So if I understand correctly, the regular cosmos controller does NOT have external tracking? So I can't use it with steam? I have a vive cosmos elite and I have bought the controllers because of the analogue and now I'm not sure if it'll work with my headset.
200 dollars more.. lol Why would anybody buy this over an Index or even a Rift S at the very least.. They should give this faceplate to every Cosmos owner.
its not as easy as just getting the face plate. you also need to get the base stations and preferably the index controllers. thats about 500 more so it will be much more expensive to do this than getting the valve index full kit. The whole line of htc products are stupid.
So you recommend, instead of getting something that works, get something that keeps getting RMAS 24/7 from broken controllers and more? ... sounds smart... American made garbage... I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :)
Same here! I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :) I currently have a "Vive Pro Eye", and I'll be buying the "Cosmos Elite, and the XR face place"!
Here's my two cents on this. I see a lot of angry people in the comments, rightfully so if you bought the original Cosmos. I just got the Cosmos Elite. I spent about 2 weeks researching different options for VR headsets, and my 3 choices boiled down to the Cosmos Elite, Valve Index or Oculus Rift S. I'm doing a lot of working from home, so I rarely get to go out and socialize with the lockdown. With that said, I wanted something right then and there, and the Index & Oculus Rift S were nowhere to be found. Almost 3 months for the Index and God knows when the Rift S would be back in stock. After 2 weeks of owning the Cosmos Elite, I really do like it. Is it a little bit too expensive for what it is? Yes, but it wasn't that big of a deal (thanks Stimulus check). I do have the Index Controllers on preorder, so I'll at least be getting a somewhat close experience to the Valve Index. Yes I'm spending a little more, but I'm impatient and was getting super bored at home so to me it was worth it.
They've still forgotten the base loyal customer who early adopted VR. I want the cosmos with the faceplate to work with my lighthouses only because I want to lose the screen door. . What an ass backwards way of doing something. Brain dead imho. Honestly I'm seriously considering the Pimax for my 2.0 . Cause the Index failed too since the product isn't even available in Canada.
Wow, bunch of things are wrong here. If you wanna talk about loyalty to the people that started VR, it's Valve (and technically oculus, but the oculus team is gone now since last year). Valve made the Vive and vive pro, not HTC. HTC has only made the vive focus, and the vive cosmos. Two of the worst VR kits on the market. Index has been available in canada for almost 3 months now, you missed your chance to order one before they went out of stock. But they will have orders ready pretty soon before HLA, so if you want an Index, just wait for the reminder email valve will send out before it gets back in stock for Canadian customers.
@@sqlevolicious It never was in stock for Canada. Ever. In the first place. So there was no chance to miss. Period. That's my point. And I didn't know valve developed it, it has HTC VIVE stamped all over it and I ordered it from HTC ....so who would know ?
I've had the Elite kit for two months. I only have a few complaints: - Too expensive, especially considering the competition of Index and PiMax. Idk how this system remains viable as other devices become available. - The "flip up" mechanism is too loose. The headset itself lifts off your face while looking down. This makes the image blurry. It's a shockingly bad compromise and I don't know who was asking for it. Having a flip up is nice. Being able to see what you're virtually picking up off the ground is even better. - The headphone over-center mechanism had to be broken in before they would stay on my ears. Not a deal breaker, just another weird design decision. - Activate the cameras, HTC. Every part of this $900 machine should work. Add a peak function. I hope this was an engineering issue and not a product differentiation issue. - Lastly, the FOV. It could be better. Part of the pitch is that Cosmos can be upgraded. Because of the optics, the FOV will never be one of those upgrades. Unless I'm just misunderstanding, which is possible.
I see everybody saying "just buy an index," but the cosmos has a higher resolution, so if you want higher resolution you should go for a cosmos, but the index has a higher FOV, so if you're looking for higher FOV you should go for an index.
Dud why are the two htc people lying sooo hard about the tracking, saying it's not what they expected... OFCOURSE IT WILL BE TRASH WITH THE DECISIONS YOU MADE... but talking it better then it is. Just take it back and put other cameras and the controllers out in the market
Playstation VR had/has the same issue. Light tracking for controllers isn't the best stand-alone tech out there. #Oculus Quest. Why did they decide to use a less accurate tracking system like light, when better tracking exists?
why are they not discontinuing the original vive wands and replacing them with identical wands but with thumbsticks and one or two extra buttons etc. just like other controllers. jeeze.
It sounds great but the technology they used for that was lacking in many areas. It wasn't tracked, the stretch sensors used to sense finger movement wears out quickly and don't really match finger movements very good etc. It was never even produced because all it did was to make you aware of it's limitations. A vive controller is better in every way.
If you're a current vive cosmos owner, you'll need to buy the faceplate, new wands and base stations. Please advocate for vive cosmos owners on how unfair this is. We just want to use 2 handed rifles but don't want to pay an additional $600 for the upgrades!
So I have to go out and spend several hundred dollars more to get a decent experience with my Vive Cosmos? All of my troubles could have been avoided if I just went for the lower resolution Occulus Rift S.
I have the original Vive Cosmos and most of my hate for it will go away if HTC gives us the option to use it with SteamVR alone without downloading their horrible Vive software (more like useless bloatware)!
699 for the cosmos plus the lighthouse, faceplate, and index controllers. It doesn't matter how much the lighthouse and faceplate are the controllers would push the price over Valve Index at 900 so you may as well just get that.
Shame Lenovo stopped producing the Explorer, because it was an incredible value for the money. For about $200, it was an incredible entry-point into VR for people that don't want to spend a fortune, and it was the second best native WMR headset, and less than half the price of the Samsung headset that beat it out. But now they're partnered to do hardware with Oculus and the Explorer is discontinued, while still reselling used for more than it did new. The Rift S is basically the Explorer with a few tweaks.
they should replace the standard faceplate with one that has extra cameras further out/ wider for better controller tracking. and then just use the integrated cameras for passthrough. they would have to offer a free new faceplate for existing cosmos and sell all new cosmos's with the new faceplate. could potentially fix the controller tracking issues. or at leat the occlusion issues. and all without a complete redesign or replacement of the actual headset itself.
The Quest has added the ability to plug into the PC and play your games there and now has hand tracking. It's a product that has gotten better over time for free. Meanwhile HTCs tracking is still shitty and wants you to pay $200 to fix it 👍
$200 faceplate + base stations to finally get decent tracking on your Cosmos and you're still stuck using defective Index controllers or obselete Vive wands. What a joke from HTC.
@@Taijifufu Low durability of the sticks, such that they can start drifting in as little as a few dozen hours of careful use is absolutely a defect in my eyes. The only other possibility is that Valve intended for them to be so fragile, which I do not believe is wholly true. HTC are missing an opportunity to offer an alternative.
@@Renderc4t i'm a first-batch index pre-order, RMA'd my controllers, got new ones in two weeks that worked perfectly. Only very few people from the pre-order batches are having issues and the real issue right now is getting controller stock. Go visit the index sub reddit since you have no clue about the Index issues.
And you can't tell me that anyone is going to want to 4 camera over a 6 camera that's not easing into playing that's screwing you out of playing properly
"It's almost a no brainer to spend that $200 and make this a usable experience." What a fucking crazy thing to say. We are paying money to have a fanatic materialistic society.
if its the controller tracking that was bad. how does this faceplate even help. you could already have just used lighthouse tracking and index or vive wands and the inside out for the headset itself. a bit trickier to set up but definitely doable. all this does is make the headset tracking better, which was already not too bad. (at least as a wmr owner anyway, i can attest to the hmd tracking being pretty much perfect, its only the controller tracking that has flaws.)
This still doesn't fix the TINY sweet spot for the lenses that I could never seem to hit unless I pushed it against my face with a hand because the hinge (that's super not necessary if you have good passthrough) ALWAYS has some give to it and would cut the FOV by 10-15°
As a current Vive and Index owner, as much as I am definitely glad I went with the Index rather than ordering a Cosmos, I am happy to hear their viewpoints on the path forward being a modular one. Unlike the "black box" or "walled garden" approach Oculus appears to have towards the VR space, HTC at least is giving people an upgrade path with most of their VR products. Having owned both a Rift S and a Quest previously, and as impressive as Oculus's inside out tracking is, it seriously annoyed me that their interoperability with other brands of devices was basically nonexistent. When I first picked up a used Vive to see how the tracking compared to my Rift S, I was blown away, it's clearly the superior method of tracking specifically for the controllers, there is just no comparison. So much so, that I had hoped that I might be able to use the superior (compared to the og Vive) Rift S headset in conjunction with my newly acquired Vive wands. Sadly, Oculus (Facebook) wants its users only using their devices, so no such luck. Over the following months, I ended up picking up the Index headset without the controllers, and for months and months was happily able to use my Valve Index headset, with my HTC wand controllers, all the while with my Rift S sitting unused in a box, before I eventually ended up reselling the Rift S because I had no use for it. Even now that I have the Index controllers (which I love), I still have my Vive and Vive wands, because in my mind, if I ever break an Index controller or if my headset stops working, I can still just switch out whatever I'm having a problem with. All of this is to say, if HTC launches the Cosmos Play, even if it is $50 or $100 more than the Quest, the Cosmos Play would be what I would be recommending as a first headset to a friend, because they actually have an upgrade path that isn't exclusively replacing your entire VR setup. That being said, imho HTC did make an entirely avoidable mistake by not launching the "Cosmos Elite" external tracking version first. Regardless, great video guys, keep up the quality VR content! :D
Lmfao HTC is done in the consumer market. Its clear there focusing in enterprise VR and know they canr beat Oculus and Valve. Remember this is a company that was literally dead before they got into VR there grasping at straws.
These vr glasses. have a software / hardware conflict. this is manifested by incorrect recognition of the USB 3.0 port. They get hot, error messages are displayed. Generally, a lot of combinations have to be made to make them work.
Fantastic, I already have the "VIVE PRO EYE", I'll be buying the "COSMOS ELITE"! :) It's nice to know that the issues have now been fixed! #AmazonWarranty #Wireless #HTC = best.
Yeah big pass for me. Hoped they would offer a different package, it's just not worth that price. I'm glad I did not have the money when the Vive Cosmos came out. I'm buying Pimax 8K X or Oculus Quest end of story. Star VR One was my number one choice but they are just silent now
Pimax is a really bad kit, terrible software that hardly works and the build quality is very bad on Pimax, also non-existent customer service. Best to just wait for Index to get back in stock. StarVR will never be a consumer product, it's a special-dev kit for arcade-experiences.
the xr plate sounds promising. but they would still have to fix the controller tracking properly. it would have to be at least as good as the rift s. you dont build a house on a bad foundation.
I was and will always be a Vive wand controller fan (index to but more of the Vive wands) and they feel right and I'm sure that if you had the right PC you could do it The faceplate you don't need to buy just buy the elite and the index Simple
If external tracking fits in that small little plate why didn't they just have it already in there to start with it seems like they're just trying to charge you more by making add-ons for it I'd rather buy the whole package in one headset
I really like my HTC Vive Pro. It seems the Cosmos is a step backwards. Why not just improve a proven product. Just give us higher resolution and wider field of view and I would happily buy it.
Here is what i took away from that entire conversation, they dug themselves in to a very deep pit by releasing the cosmos in a very unusable state, and have some of the worst engineers in the field right now that apparently are too incompetent to test their tracking system properly for the the most common/most played type of vr games right now, first person shooters. Because of this, they have a huge amount of stock of cosmos', so they need to throw it on life support by making different plates to throw on current headsets, which by the way, if you watch any cosmos review video, its pretty known that it is not very comfortable,........at all. Dude it pisses me off how out of touch they are with vr right now, when they did a good job with the og vive, and even the vive pro to some degree. They fail to understand where the market is going. Capacitive buttons on controllers to give at least some kind of hand presence, nope not htc. Analog grips, not htc. A light base tracking system similar to WMR that actually works properly, not htc. A comfortable headset, not htc. They are just gasping for air, and its embarassing.
HTC is drowning, they are probably super time-constrained, the people developing and engineering simply don't have the skill, the time, technology or the knowledge to make a viable product.
You couldn't have put it any better. Absolutely pathetic what HTC has been doing lately. I am so so glad i never listened to anyone with a Vive and went with the Rift S. I have been having an amazing time with it ! It's pretty damned clear too !
i think the flipup design is funy cause you can imagine in testing headsets and putting them on and off constantly you'd feel a flipup design would be really good but for the consumer flipup is a stupid gimmicky feature
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i actually dont sorry
This was a overview. Not a review. Im very disappointed.
For $900 just save the money for the valve index
So you recommend, instead of getting something that works, get something that keeps getting RMAS 24/7 from broken controllers and more? ... sounds smart... American made garbage...
I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :)
@@knucklesuganda7110 Don't overstate the issue you dweeb, most people don't have issues with the Index. And fine, stick with your overpriced but ultimately inferior products. Don't come in here and spread lies to justify your purchases.
@Knuckles Uganda the knuckles are now being manufactured fixed. Still though, id rather have a goofy analog stick than have my hands spaz-out. You can choose to buy the index without the controllers. Aswel as people are flat out buying the new Cosmos faceplate just so they can use vive tracking as an upgrade. The lad in the video is even using it to get away from Cosmos tracking. Dont fool yourself.
@@lethaldumpster2699 Hows that not wireless working out for you?
@@DriveCancelDC inferior/ overpriced? sorry son, I got more money than you,
I own multiple headsets even ones not listed.. also "KID" take your salt elsewhere, sorry to dissapoint, but at least i can use WIRELESS! and live with better warranty from AMAZON
$200 to repair a defective product is not exciting news.
The Cosmos is fine unless you play Pavlov and do the occluded controllers a lot, but i dont play those. I even have the lighthouses from my vive, but not buying the faceplate. I have 400+ hours on mine and love it.
@CognosSquare im not about to buy an HMD that can only play specific games smoothly :/
That tiny thing right there says alot about the Cosmos. They should have not done their light tracking. Simply. Not to mention its weird price point.
@@lethaldumpster2699 'only play specific games smoothly'... wat? You know only a subset of gamers give a toss about milsims right?
@@CognosSquare wow, shilling comments, gtfo. Dumb HTC shill.
@@CognosSquare The headset and controller drift on the Cosmos is noticeably worse than the much cheaper Quest. It's worse at everything compared to every other room-scale headset.
4:27 OK, let me rephrase that: "If you are a Cosmos owner, and highly regret that purchase, and obviously can't find anyone who'd want to buy it off of you (so you can buy an Index instead), but you still happen to have your old Vive Wands and Lighthouses laying around, then you can now spend yet another $200, to make your Cosmos useable and playable, and get a much better experience." :)
Yeah Vive is starting to give me a bad view of them.
People are hysteric. I have found the tracking is fine on my Cosmos. Hands down the best HMD for development and training beceause of the flipup.
I was looking for someone to note it like this.
@@Ducksnuget I've had a bad view of them over their $200 repair fees for replacing lenses, poor RMA practices such as unable to warranty or verify the serial number on a Vive Pro HMD since they said the serial number on my HMD didn't exist. Yeah, I'm offloading all of my Vive products as soon as the Index HMD offers wireless.
@@CognosSquare lies, and the flipup doesn't even work due to all the weight, lmao. Clearly a dumb shill, gtfo.
I think it's time for a meme break....
Fancy seeing you here. Well not really
cosmos is virtually -odd- bad
@@jay-1172 fancy seeing u here also
@@Fallen_Flames of course!
oh hello there, strange seeing you here
I bought the cosmos for my son for christmas and instantly he didn't like it because of tracking troubles. It just sucks that I have to pay more to get better tracking... Feel ripped off. Won't be dealing with HTC after this.
SommeR10X
You clearly have a reading disability to not understand that “pay more” means on the already purchased product. No the Rift S is not perfect. As soon as you claim a product is perfect you lose credibility as no product is perfect.
@@Somtric I can say from my personal experience that the rift s does not track perfectly. Especially compared to my cv1. I'm near competitive with beatsaber on my personal cv1, but when using my friend's rift s, even expert levels are a challenge because of the occlusion inacuracies and the tracking rate (very possibly also a lack of experience with the headset, but either way, the first thing I noticed was the reduction in tracking rate). While being much better than the cosmos, and perfectly usable for most people, it is far from perfect
Tried the new beta 1.0.7.10 released 27th feb? Test that and comment here how it worked.
Best tracking on the Index. Still not perfect but getting there
@Alonso Reyes I own one, and it has the best tracking out there. But to say it's perfect is to say there is no more room for improvement. Got mine back in September and I've put in hundreds of hours in it. Dont get me wrong, I love it.
It's nice to see HTC stepping aside from making good products and give other companies a try. That controller should have never left testing. No one should buy it where a $200 WMR can get you better tracking at less than a third the price. It looks like HTC is neck deep in sunk cost fallacy.
Not that anybody asked, thought I’d share my thoughts.
The fact that the VR device has so many issues, there are two possibilities of what they wanted to achieve.
One, it could be similar to if a laboratory published their discovery or invention before everything was written out and complete. There are multiple holes or “bugs”, but they want to get their finding out and “funding” furthered, so they pushed out an incomplete product.
I only say that because I’m learning about scenarios like this in my college research methods class.
2, or it could be they wanted to push a incomplete product, so they could then sell “patches” for it, in the shape of the faceplate, or additional devices to sync to the HTC VIVE.
In other words, a shady Marketing attempt to squeeze out more money from the consumers.
Insert funny Fallout 4 meme about really bad choices:
Everyone disliked that.
*super edit* received a comment wondering if I was a native English speaker. It was just a case of a really exhausted Texan boy trying to sound smart, so I reformatted the content.
Apologies, but would you be willing to ask someone whos native language is english to go over your post? It doesn't parse.
Ben Richards I’m actually from Texas, and was really tired and wanted to try and sound smart. I fixed it, and sorry for the confusion.😅😂
I will go with first one, as I believe HTC has to launch a robust inside-out tracking for the sake of survive in this VR business. All-in-one VR HMD will be the mainstream of VR in the near future.As you can tell an easy to set up HMD without any additional Lighthouse tracking will encourage more people to join VR world. Oculus quest is the wonderful example of that. Also in one of the Chinese news report state that , the head of HTC China has said: Cosmos is all developing by HTC itself, as you know HTC had been criticized for owing less VR relative patterns compare to his competitors on(e.g Microsoft ,Samsung and Facebook)
.It had happened before when HTC still in phone business and then heavily rely on the supplier to offer them the tech, unlike Samsung vertical integrate all the components and make all the parts.
In conclusion, they just fail to launch a good tracking HMD and as the VR section be the main source of company revenue , the price tag just cannot be lower.Viveport infinity seems to be right yet the content just not will be compete with Oculus’s
"Not that anybody asked, thought I'd share my thoughts."
You just described the entirety of the RUclips comment section.
So in short, Cosmos users must pay $200 extra to get tracking on par with a 4 year old headset. Sometimes I wish Tested would ask more difficult questions, instead of pussyfooting around the issue.
Agreed. Who cares if they never invite you back. Crap is crap.
it's not 200 extra if you decide to go with the best like light house 2.0 , face plate and index controller
Htc is dead in the water.
Honestly cant see them competiting with Valve or Oculus the only reason HTC was doing well is because valve was supporting them.
getting the vive pro since it is the only head set i can buy that is still within it's msrp then getting valve knuckles and mabey the valve index head set
“Just like the original Vive” ...except nearly double the price and almost the same price as the Vive Pro
Yeah, $900 for the Cosmos plus the new faceplate. But that doesnt even include the other tracked controllers. So thats another $260 for vive wands or $280 for index controllers(as both new from main websites). And I still dont know if you need base stations too. So to have the cosmos with good tracking, costs more the the index package.
That is, if you take the upgrade path. They do have a Cosmos Elite bundle, which is the cosmos. But just vive wands, vive faceplate, and lighthouses. $900. So, I could pay $900 for a decent HMD and really old controllers. Or for $100 more I can go index and have a direct upgrade...
@@lethaldumpster2699 for me it was 1200 euro i cant even equipe the wireless because i can't place it (graphic card too big ) Rtx 2080 in a medium size pc) i also need to buy the faceplate box and controller ( gonna take the index controller) might be costy so i cant really buy them now and having a small room is really small is not good
@@lethaldumpster2699 the cosmos elite does the original cosmos doesn't
It pretty much just converts your cosmos into an uglier vive pro, with 40 extra vertical pixels and poor quality lcd instead of an amoled
I would really love to know what Vive is smoke'n these days where they think you as the consumer should have to pay to beta test their HMD's. They don't even try to be covert about it either, lol.
better than anything from a fe cesbook offering
@@dertythegrower sadly not
@@dertythegrower but this is for people who already have base stations. So you can upgrade to an Index + K'nuckles Controllers for much less than a Cosmos and face plate.
@@Taijifufu or just wait for the index to come back in stock instead of paying $800 for no reason.
Oh, the look of the headset changes from surprised to determined.
HTC single-handedly pushing Valve Index sales forward...
Good old "create a problem", then "sell the solution"... Companies are fun!
I feel like HTC's plan was always gonna be to come out with a modular system for the Cosmos even if the inside out tracking turned out to be phenomenal, it just so happened that it, well, isn't.
@@henderhex but the ins9de out tracking was bad apperently
As long as the tracking is this RBG camera broken mess, I could never recommend this to anyone. If they could make the tracking as good as Rift S then it would be a no brainer for new people.
Rift S is much cheaper as well.
And if you're willing to sacrifice some image quality and comfort you can get a Quest that doubles as its own entire standalone VR console... HTC has no market here.
Thats because HTC's AI team isnt very good, but Facebook has one of the best AI teams in the world. I am confident they will achieve perfect external tracing with their next product
Man without Valve, HTC is floundering to keep Vive up to snuff with modern VR. I am so glad I dropped the cash on an Index, well worth the cost for the best VR experience
It now costs more than an Index with this faceplate. Good job HTC, you played yourselves.
you have the rift that is much cheaper with a lot better inside tracking and better controllers, and you have the index with much better tracking, FOV and controllers. Why would anyone buy this?
So you recommend, instead of getting something that works, get something that keeps getting RMAS 24/7 from broken controllers and more? ... sounds smart... American made garbage...
I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :)
@@knucklesuganda7110 lies, lies, and more lies, you should stfu. Delete your delusional comments.
@@sqlevolicious they're the laziest troll I've ever seen honestly lol
Knuckles Uganda two weeks later and i still can’t find who the fuck asked
@@knucklesuganda7110 1 year later and cant find who the fuck asked
adding $200 to the price of Cosmos makes it unreasonably overpriced.
Do you want to spend a lot on VR? Sell your HTC and get an Index.
Do you want to spend a little on VR? Sell your HTC, get a Quest and Link cable.
HTC screwed up pretty badly.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Quest if you mainly want standalone VR and are only planning to use the Link for games that aren't natively on the Quest, and aren't too fast paced. Link is no replacement for PCVR, if you mainly want PCVR, get the Rift S.
@@dagrox2562 I have a quest and can actually play it over Wireless desktop that looks better, and functions just as well as regular Pcvr. Dear the reddit forum and a lot of people that even have Pcvr headset just use their quest now. The ONLY excuse to use a wire is if you want to run an index at 144hz. Beyond that it's not worth it.
Let me tell a joke.
Ok, ready?
HTC.
Let me tell you a joke.
Ok, ready?
Valve.
Let me tell a joke.
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My wallet.
Joseph Witten butt hurt🔝🔝🔝
@Joseph Witten Wireless, Amazon sales... finger tracking (no controllers), eye tracking, higher resolution, better quality, upgrades.... WIRELESS AGAIN... AMAZON BETTER SUPPORT AND WARRANTY , REFUNDS within 2 years! (Or depending on manufcater warranty if longer)
What does valve offer??
Shit warranty.
Valve only sale (screwing over australia, and many countries)
Higher FOV
Cheaper for poor people on a budget...
No next day delivery.
Can't get a refund after 14 days.... (Unlike amazon)
Can't say your headset is broken within 2 years get a full refund and buy a newer headset..
^
I rather buy a cosmos elite, use my 2.0 base stations, full body tracking, and index controllers, (THE REAL EXPENSIVE PROPER WAY) sorry I'm not cheap, and rather have AMAZON SALES
@Joseph Witten You want to speak of sound but use the INDEX built-in speakers.... xD God I pity you so much.
You've never experienced real sound again my 820s Are far superior, hell even my mod mic, and rode microphones sound better..
All hail ANTLION,
All hail SENNHEISER,
HTC: "We designed the cosmos as a "family product" we knew ISO was a failure so we include that in the box at full cost to our customers. This enables us to sting our customers for the hardware that SHOULD have been used in the first place, which is good for our money".
HTC should just pack it up, they failed us all... Quest is just better Linked or Standalone... Tracking is Horrible and that's a make or break in VR... If u would've used the same tracking Oculus uses in the Cosmos I would've brought one but no u fucked up and can't unfuck it.
Buy all the plates you wish.... You're still stuck with the same resolution, screens and lenses... Make those swappable/upgradable and you may just be on to something... My Wish list: much wider FOV (for me one of biggest drawbacks of all VR, is the restrictive binocular tunnel vision), better lenses and ability to run PC connected or stand alone. Bonus points for a connection port for external storage like a thumb drive to run off of!! Just my two cents..
Don't forget about the promised eye relief that we never got. If the Cosmos doesn't sit on your face well, that's how it will sit forever.
The original HTC OG Vive is still good...should have not discontinued it..
Yeah you can pick it up cheap than get index controllers than boom you have a amazing VR experience
Why do HTC customers have to paid for HTC‘s fault on their defective devices
Just got a cosmos, and its my first VR
So I'd need controllers, lighthouses AND new faceplate.
We're talking $700 in upgrades here.
what the hell.
You should have done some research before buying. Oculus Rift S is both cheaper and has better tracking
return it or sell it and buy a quest with a link cable, or an index. Sorry, those are probably your best options.
@@djmahl7251 quest over rift s?
@@sammckee6579 I think you want to watch Linus video ruclips.net/video/AGScX_8plYw/видео.html&t The quest does sound better on paper, but in reality, you do loose some of the responsiveness and comfort (although the last part is fixable)
Honestly, never had an issue with Cosmos tracking outside of using two hands on a rifle.
However, the biggest offender is the goddam design and weight. The controllers are too big and don't fit into the hand comfortably. Due to the un-ergonomic design of the grips they keep on wanting to slip out of your grasp so you constantly have to re-adjust. Rift S controllers are lighter and compensate with the knuckle straps.
The headset is too front end heavy and the head brace don't fit the head as comfortably as the Rift S. Rift S feels like a much more immersive experience while you are constantly reminded of the giant rock you have strapped to your face with the Cosmos. Along with the tiny sweet spot on the Cosmos means that you are constantly taken out of the immersion.
Definitely Rift S is the superior experience. Cosmos is probably only good for watching VR porn.
Before we knew the tracking was going to be garbage, I remember it was teased to support vr off a phone (something unique to the scene right now). What happened to that? I haven’t heard it mentioned once since release
My prediction is that HTC will go out of business by the year's end. The Cosmos is an embarrassment.
HTC should have to send this for free to existing cosmos owners!
The tracking definitely has to continue to improve. "Good Enough" is not enough in today's market considering the current competition but having said that and to their credit they are continuing to work on it so i am hopeful that they will be able to resolve the remaining issues. What they didn't mention is that the original OG Vive wands don't work with the 2.0 base stations, only the 1.0 version and since the design is way over 4 years old ( and no thumb sticks) in my humble opinion they really need to upgrade them to something more suitable to the second decade of the 21st century (if you know what I mean) otherwise they just won't compete in the current market successfully. Index controllers are a great example of what they need to develop but try getting a pair these days , they only have half the product or 1.5 so to speak. Maybe a third party will come up with compatible controllers that are easier to use and have more functionality. Finally I think the AR\VR face plate is really interesting and I hope they implement it well (and fix the tracking) it will give them a edge. A bummer that we have to get third party devices for eye tracking with the Cosmos. In any case great and informative interview thanks it's good to hear information coming for the source so to speak.
it's a hardware issue that can't be fixed. HTC is clearly stupid.
even with the index's quality control problems it is still a much better buy. like i have the index and had to replace the controllers for not working out of the box, i made a support ticket and they quickly responded and sent me new ones that work great. and with the $200 cover it's $100 more than an index full kit. the only reason i would ever see anyone buying one of these is because you just cant buy an index since its always sold out.
Owning the HTC VIVE and the VIVE PRO i'm not really looking for higher resolution screens reason being that i already have to turn down quality in the game for it to run at 90fps. And yes i'm using a high end pc with 2080TI . once i can run ACC and DCS with everything set to high then its time to move on to higher resolution HMD's . So for now its Nvidia and AMD that have to do their bit . ;-)
When he kept saying "put the controllers close my face" I kept thinking about that scene in Lost In Translation. "Close my face? Close my face?"
The only real advantage of the HTC headsets in my opinion is that they are the only headsets with a proper PCVR wireless solution available. And they kill it with the much too high price and the fact you cant combine the parts you need without paying a lot more (like Elite + Base Stations V2 + Index Controller + Wireless).
As soon as the first competitor (Oculus or Valve) will also bring a wireless solution, HTC will completely die off I think.
The real next step in PCVR is wireless PCVR because its more important to the most then more refresh rate oder a slightly bigger FOV. HTC could have used this advantage from the beginning with making a really good wireless overall package but they completely failed it.
I don't really understand why you would spend 200 on this face plate. If you buy base stations, controllers, and dongles for connecting them you can have the inside out tracking for just your head which seems to work fine. The controllers are then tracked externally which works great, so instead of spending 200 on a face plate just spend 30 on two vive tracker dongles.
Since they love to offer so many options, they could have used Cosmos controllers and integrated lighthouse tracking in the ring instead of inside out.
This should be free. I feel sorry for the people that put faith in HTC . As an og Vive owner I am glad I jumped ship (now pimax 5k+ with index controllers with my original lighthouses) HTC are going disappear in less than 10 years because they do not give a shit about their customers
10 years? HTC wasn't even supposed to survive last quarter, they are living off savings right now. They won't last the year.
>be me
>cosmos owner
>dont have base stations or wands
>buying something pretty much equal to the index for 2 times the price with knuckles and 2.0 stations
thanks htc
I believe HTC has to launch a robust inside-out tracking for the sake of survive in this VR business. All-in-one VR HMD will be the mainstream of VR in the near future.As you can tell an easy to set up HMD without any additional Lighthouse tracking will encourage more people to join VR world. Oculus quest is the wonderful example of that. Also in one of the Chinese news report state that , the head of HTC China has said: Cosmos is all developing by HTC itself, as you know HTC had been criticized for owing less VR relative patterns compare to his competitors on(e.g Microsoft ,Samsung and Facebook)
.It had happened before when HTC still in phone business and then heavily rely on the supplier to offer them the tech, unlike Samsung vertical integrate all the components and make all the parts.
In conclusion, they just fail to launch a good tracking HMD and as the VR section be the main source of company revenue , the price tag just cannot be lower.Viveport infinity seems to be right yet the content just not will be compete with Oculus’s
900 for the hmd plus upgrade... Still leaves out lighthouses and controllers so let's bump that up to 1250.
Is HTC trying to go bankrupt?
Not to excuse the Cosmos, but why are you holding a handgun up close to your face? It should be held out with your dominant arm at not quite full reach. Watch some shooting videos.
He role playing John Wick
bloodgain the top of controller to hmd camera is much closer than finger to eye
$200 to fix a broken product. Nah. That money goes towards a non broken headset
i wish they sent someone who would call them out on this crap not norm
I bought the cosmos from a friend as my first vr set. It's great for casual fun but I find with games such as kingspray vr and pavlov it doesn't track well enough for accuracy. Plus the other issue is in Australia they never released the steam vr sets like the index so to buy one its about 1800 aud to buy a full set. Most people are selling them individually as in headsets separate to controllers etc for 900+ aud it's nuts.
imagine paying 900 dollars for an eh headset when you can get an index for 100 more
@@jreaganmorganchannel patience
Aussies and several other countries still cant buy an Index...
cheddle rift s? quest? windows MR? pimax?
I feel like this interview hurt HTC more than helped. They feel...bumbling and evasive, and don't say much. Poor dudes are sitting there answering questions that they know they don't have solutions for. I'm still waiting for HTC to released these faceplates by posting a video of them all on a table spinning around.
I have a Cosmos and a Vive Pro w/2.0 base stations/controllers so I may consider purchasing the $200 faceplate. One question I have is if I change over to the new faceplate will it still work with the current Cosmos VR system (eg. Origin/lense) or does it need to only use SteamVR like my Vive Pro? Also, would I be able to use the Vive Pro Link Box or would I still need to use the Cosmos Link Box and if so would I be able to use the Cosmos Link Box with my Vive Pro in order to make switching between headsets easier? Thanks.
The solution is to sell the cosmos and buy an Index. If you want to spend another $300, you can have a wireless vive pro and knuckles controllers.
so u have to spend an additional 200 dollars to make it actually work in the way its supposed to?
For just a little more than that you could basically afford a whole new VR system (Samsung Odyssey Plus if it's on sale, or any other WMR headset). 200 USD is insane for just a tracking upgrade.
So if I understand correctly, the regular cosmos controller does NOT have external tracking? So I can't use it with steam?
I have a vive cosmos elite and I have bought the controllers because of the analogue and now I'm not sure if it'll work with my headset.
The regular Cosmos controllers do not work with the Elite. The Elite is compatible with the Valve Index Controllers.
200 dollars more.. lol Why would anybody buy this over an Index or even a Rift S at the very least.. They should give this faceplate to every Cosmos owner.
its not as easy as just getting the face plate. you also need to get the base stations and preferably the index controllers. thats about 500 more so it will be much more expensive to do this than getting the valve index full kit. The whole line of htc products are stupid.
@@underflip2 wow you're right I didn't think of that because I own a vive. I was on my first cup of coffee as well.. good catch!
So you recommend, instead of getting something that works, get something that keeps getting RMAS 24/7 from broken controllers and more? ... sounds smart... American made garbage...
I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :)
Yes i absolutely do. The index is amazing.
The XR version with a wireless adapter is definitely a differentiator right now in the PC VR market. Hope to get my hands on that.
Same here!
I'll stick to my "Vive Pro Eye" and my new "COSMOS ELITE" when it's out :)
I currently have a "Vive Pro Eye", and I'll be buying the "Cosmos Elite, and the XR face place"!
@@knucklesuganda7110 stfu, dumb shill. No one cares about your BS
Here's my two cents on this. I see a lot of angry people in the comments, rightfully so if you bought the original Cosmos. I just got the Cosmos Elite. I spent about 2 weeks researching different options for VR headsets, and my 3 choices boiled down to the Cosmos Elite, Valve Index or Oculus Rift S. I'm doing a lot of working from home, so I rarely get to go out and socialize with the lockdown. With that said, I wanted something right then and there, and the Index & Oculus Rift S were nowhere to be found. Almost 3 months for the Index and God knows when the Rift S would be back in stock. After 2 weeks of owning the Cosmos Elite, I really do like it. Is it a little bit too expensive for what it is? Yes, but it wasn't that big of a deal (thanks Stimulus check). I do have the Index Controllers on preorder, so I'll at least be getting a somewhat close experience to the Valve Index. Yes I'm spending a little more, but I'm impatient and was getting super bored at home so to me it was worth it.
They've still forgotten the base loyal customer who early adopted VR. I want the cosmos with the faceplate to work with my lighthouses only because I want to lose the screen door. . What an ass backwards way of doing something. Brain dead imho. Honestly I'm seriously considering the Pimax for my 2.0 . Cause the Index failed too since the product isn't even available in Canada.
Same not available in Switzerland so my money is on Pimax 8K X at the moment. I would even rather get the Quest than Vive
Wow, bunch of things are wrong here. If you wanna talk about loyalty to the people that started VR, it's Valve (and technically oculus, but the oculus team is gone now since last year). Valve made the Vive and vive pro, not HTC. HTC has only made the vive focus, and the vive cosmos. Two of the worst VR kits on the market.
Index has been available in canada for almost 3 months now, you missed your chance to order one before they went out of stock. But they will have orders ready pretty soon before HLA, so if you want an Index, just wait for the reminder email valve will send out before it gets back in stock for Canadian customers.
@@sqlevolicious It never was in stock for Canada. Ever. In the first place. So there was no chance to miss. Period. That's my point. And I didn't know valve developed it, it has HTC VIVE stamped all over it and I ordered it from HTC ....so who would know ?
I’m loving the tec vids. Digital love is safe sex ;)
No. Demolition Man, watch that movie kido, lol
I've had the Elite kit for two months. I only have a few complaints:
- Too expensive, especially considering the competition of Index and PiMax. Idk how this system remains viable as other devices become available.
- The "flip up" mechanism is too loose. The headset itself lifts off your face while looking down. This makes the image blurry. It's a shockingly bad compromise and I don't know who was asking for it. Having a flip up is nice. Being able to see what you're virtually picking up off the ground is even better.
- The headphone over-center mechanism had to be broken in before they would stay on my ears. Not a deal breaker, just another weird design decision.
- Activate the cameras, HTC. Every part of this $900 machine should work. Add a peak function. I hope this was an engineering issue and not a product differentiation issue.
- Lastly, the FOV. It could be better. Part of the pitch is that Cosmos can be upgraded. Because of the optics, the FOV will never be one of those upgrades. Unless I'm just misunderstanding, which is possible.
I see everybody saying "just buy an index," but the cosmos has a higher resolution, so if you want higher resolution you should go for a cosmos, but the index has a higher FOV, so if you're looking for higher FOV you should go for an index.
valve index 1440 x 1600 Cosmos 1440 x 700 100 extra pixel doesn't make a perceivable differences plus valve index has higher fov
Dud why are the two htc people lying sooo hard about the tracking, saying it's not what they expected... OFCOURSE IT WILL BE TRASH WITH THE DECISIONS YOU MADE... but talking it better then it is. Just take it back and put other cameras and the controllers out in the market
Playstation VR had/has the same issue. Light tracking for controllers isn't the best stand-alone tech out there. #Oculus Quest. Why did they decide to use a less accurate tracking system like light, when better tracking exists?
why are they not discontinuing the original vive wands and replacing them with identical wands but with thumbsticks and one or two extra buttons etc. just like other controllers. jeeze.
What ever happened to the “data glove” ?
It sounds great but the technology they used for that was lacking in many areas. It wasn't tracked, the stretch sensors used to sense finger movement wears out quickly and don't really match finger movements very good etc. It was never even produced because all it did was to make you aware of it's limitations. A vive controller is better in every way.
98Zai Thank you. It was something I remembered from the early days. Now I know what happened to it.
If you're a current vive cosmos owner, you'll need to buy the faceplate, new wands and base stations. Please advocate for vive cosmos owners on how unfair this is. We just want to use 2 handed rifles but don't want to pay an additional $600 for the upgrades!
ok, so the cosmos play will be better then the cosmos in tracking ?
cuz i already bought the cosmos and the tricking is like 80% accurate.
So I have to go out and spend several hundred dollars more to get a decent experience with my Vive Cosmos? All of my troubles could have been avoided if I just went for the lower resolution Occulus Rift S.
I have the original Vive Cosmos and most of my hate for it will go away if HTC gives us the option to use it with SteamVR alone without downloading their horrible Vive software (more like useless bloatware)!
Vive Port was also found to be very malicious piece of software. Do not use anything from HTC.
699 for the cosmos plus the lighthouse, faceplate, and index controllers. It doesn't matter how much the lighthouse and faceplate are the controllers would push the price over Valve Index at 900 so you may as well just get that.
Shame Lenovo stopped producing the Explorer, because it was an incredible value for the money. For about $200, it was an incredible entry-point into VR for people that don't want to spend a fortune, and it was the second best native WMR headset, and less than half the price of the Samsung headset that beat it out.
But now they're partnered to do hardware with Oculus and the Explorer is discontinued, while still reselling used for more than it did new. The Rift S is basically the Explorer with a few tweaks.
Can you try out the Pimax 8k + and the Pimax 8K X I was wondering if the working is any better?
they should replace the standard faceplate with one that has extra cameras further out/ wider for better controller tracking. and then just use the integrated cameras for passthrough. they would have to offer a free new faceplate for existing cosmos and sell all new cosmos's with the new faceplate. could potentially fix the controller tracking issues. or at leat the occlusion issues. and all without a complete redesign or replacement of the actual headset itself.
So with that thing on you can use valve knuckles without the base thing ?
The Quest has added the ability to plug into the PC and play your games there and now has hand tracking. It's a product that has gotten better over time for free. Meanwhile HTCs tracking is still shitty and wants you to pay $200 to fix it 👍
$200 faceplate + base stations to finally get decent tracking on your Cosmos and you're still stuck using defective Index controllers or obselete Vive wands. What a joke from HTC.
Index Controllers defective? You don't mean the sticks do you? They aren't very durable but they aren't defective.
@@Taijifufu Low durability of the sticks, such that they can start drifting in as little as a few dozen hours of careful use is absolutely a defect in my eyes. The only other possibility is that Valve intended for them to be so fragile, which I do not believe is wholly true. HTC are missing an opportunity to offer an alternative.
*unavailable* defective Index controllers
@@Renderc4t i'm a first-batch index pre-order, RMA'd my controllers, got new ones in two weeks that worked perfectly. Only very few people from the pre-order batches are having issues and the real issue right now is getting controller stock. Go visit the index sub reddit since you have no clue about the Index issues.
Bought it, tried it, now I'm returning it.
do the knuckles work out of box with face plate 2.0 or no and do i need base stations 2.0
Out of the box
Unacceptable HTC
Their 5G was running to a laptop which was streaming to a vive focus over wifi.
It was much worse than current virtualdesktop w quest
I have the OG Vive, and the Cosmos is absolutely a downgrade.
Some extra resolution is not a worthy trade-off for horribly worse tracking.
And you can't tell me that anyone is going to want to 4 camera over a 6 camera that's not easing into playing that's screwing you out of playing properly
$200.00 for a Bandaid?
No, you mean HTC's Adhesive Medical Strips. XD
"It's almost a no brainer to spend that $200 and make this a usable experience."
What a fucking crazy thing to say. We are paying money to have a fanatic materialistic society.
Unless they can’t afford to cut their losses and are married to the Cosmos they should’ve scrapped it and went back to the drawing board.
if its the controller tracking that was bad. how does this faceplate even help. you could already have just used lighthouse tracking and index or vive wands and the inside out for the headset itself. a bit trickier to set up but definitely doable. all this does is make the headset tracking better, which was already not too bad. (at least as a wmr owner anyway, i can attest to the hmd tracking being pretty much perfect, its only the controller tracking that has flaws.)
This still doesn't fix the TINY sweet spot for the lenses that I could never seem to hit unless I pushed it against my face with a hand because the hinge (that's super not necessary if you have good passthrough) ALWAYS has some give to it and would cut the FOV by 10-15°
As a current Vive and Index owner, as much as I am definitely glad I went with the Index rather than ordering a Cosmos, I am happy to hear their viewpoints on the path forward being a modular one. Unlike the "black box" or "walled garden" approach Oculus appears to have towards the VR space, HTC at least is giving people an upgrade path with most of their VR products.
Having owned both a Rift S and a Quest previously, and as impressive as Oculus's inside out tracking is, it seriously annoyed me that their interoperability with other brands of devices was basically nonexistent. When I first picked up a used Vive to see how the tracking compared to my Rift S, I was blown away, it's clearly the superior method of tracking specifically for the controllers, there is just no comparison. So much so, that I had hoped that I might be able to use the superior (compared to the og Vive) Rift S headset in conjunction with my newly acquired Vive wands. Sadly, Oculus (Facebook) wants its users only using their devices, so no such luck.
Over the following months, I ended up picking up the Index headset without the controllers, and for months and months was happily able to use my Valve Index headset, with my HTC wand controllers, all the while with my Rift S sitting unused in a box, before I eventually ended up reselling the Rift S because I had no use for it. Even now that I have the Index controllers (which I love), I still have my Vive and Vive wands, because in my mind, if I ever break an Index controller or if my headset stops working, I can still just switch out whatever I'm having a problem with.
All of this is to say, if HTC launches the Cosmos Play, even if it is $50 or $100 more than the Quest, the Cosmos Play would be what I would be recommending as a first headset to a friend, because they actually have an upgrade path that isn't exclusively replacing your entire VR setup. That being said, imho HTC did make an entirely avoidable mistake by not launching the "Cosmos Elite" external tracking version first.
Regardless, great video guys, keep up the quality VR content! :D
Lmfao HTC is done in the consumer market.
Its clear there focusing in enterprise VR and know they canr beat Oculus and Valve.
Remember this is a company that was literally dead before they got into VR there grasping at straws.
These vr glasses. have a software / hardware conflict. this is manifested by incorrect recognition of the USB 3.0 port. They get hot, error messages are displayed. Generally, a lot of combinations have to be made to make them work.
HTC is so lost and they never just stick to one game plan . That headset is also very ugly too .
Fantastic, I already have the "VIVE PRO EYE", I'll be buying the "COSMOS ELITE"! :) It's nice to know that the issues have now been fixed!
#AmazonWarranty
#Wireless
#HTC = best.
dumb shill account, go away. Reported for spam
@@sqlevolicious ... What are you talking about? You sad little angry child.
Yeah big pass for me. Hoped they would offer a different package, it's just not worth that price. I'm glad I did not have the money when the Vive Cosmos came out. I'm buying Pimax 8K X or Oculus Quest end of story. Star VR One was my number one choice but they are just silent now
Pimax is a really bad kit, terrible software that hardly works and the build quality is very bad on Pimax, also non-existent customer service. Best to just wait for Index to get back in stock. StarVR will never be a consumer product, it's a special-dev kit for arcade-experiences.
the xr plate sounds promising. but they would still have to fix the controller tracking properly. it would have to be at least as good as the rift s. you dont build a house on a bad foundation.
I was and will always be a Vive wand controller fan (index to but more of the Vive wands) and they feel right and I'm sure that if you had the right PC you could do it
The faceplate you don't need to buy just buy the elite and the index
Simple
Wait you can use index controllers with the cosmos elite
Also you can use the lighthouse 2.0 base station
it starts
If external tracking fits in that small little plate why didn't they just have it already in there to start with it seems like they're just trying to charge you more by making add-ons for it I'd rather buy the whole package in one headset
I really like my HTC Vive Pro. It seems the Cosmos is a step backwards. Why not just improve a proven product. Just give us higher resolution and wider field of view and I would happily buy it.
200 dollars on top of a vr headset wich could cost up to 800 dollars makes me think, maybe look at oculesses quest...
There's no "maybe" about it, don't buy this overpriced piece of shit :)
Here is what i took away from that entire conversation, they dug themselves in to a very deep pit by releasing the cosmos in a very unusable state, and have some of the worst engineers in the field right now that apparently are too incompetent to test their tracking system properly for the the most common/most played type of vr games right now, first person shooters. Because of this, they have a huge amount of stock of cosmos', so they need to throw it on life support by making different plates to throw on current headsets, which by the way, if you watch any cosmos review video, its pretty known that it is not very comfortable,........at all.
Dude it pisses me off how out of touch they are with vr right now, when they did a good job with the og vive, and even the vive pro to some degree. They fail to understand where the market is going. Capacitive buttons on controllers to give at least some kind of hand presence, nope not htc. Analog grips, not htc. A light base tracking system similar to WMR that actually works properly, not htc. A comfortable headset, not htc. They are just gasping for air, and its embarassing.
HTC is drowning, they are probably super time-constrained, the people developing and engineering simply don't have the skill, the time, technology or the knowledge to make a viable product.
You couldn't have put it any better. Absolutely pathetic what HTC has been doing lately. I am so so glad i never listened to anyone with a Vive and went with the Rift S. I have been having an amazing time with it ! It's pretty damned clear too !
Idk man, my cosmos is pretty comfy. It still fucking sucks though
Its going downhill for htc
i think the flipup design is funy cause you can imagine in testing headsets and putting them on and off constantly you'd feel a flipup design would be really good but for the consumer flipup is a stupid gimmicky feature