How To Plumb A Bathroom In 20 Minutes! - Beginners Guide

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  • Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
  • In this video I show how to plumb a bathroom. I show how to plumb a sink, toliet, and shower drains and vents for beginners. I use PVC pipe for all my drain lines. I show how to glue together the PVC pipe using primer and PVC cement.
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  • @TheExcellentLaborer
    @TheExcellentLaborer  2 года назад +43

    Check out my Amazon store for plumbing supplies! www.amazon.com/shop/theexcellentlaborer?listId=2WE10066WHEK7&ref=idea_share_inf

    • @kaboom362
      @kaboom362 2 года назад

      I really like the way you take your time and explain things thoroughly. This was a really helpful video. Thank you so much for sharing

    • @georgekankam7492
      @georgekankam7492 2 года назад

      Please where is the next video
      The video where the toilet vent was connected under the subfloor
      Thank you

    • @rickybenivamonde3880
      @rickybenivamonde3880 Год назад

      Hey this is just my opinion. Don't knock the toilet flange center out and leave it in the drain for future problems. I was just at a Ladies house that had one stuck in her drain. Good thing my camera seen it and I was able to fish it out

    • @scottzahansky8422
      @scottzahansky8422 4 месяца назад

      Didn't you say 34" shower?

    • @drwhpod
      @drwhpod 22 дня назад

      @@kaboom362Z

  • @erinkennedy2417
    @erinkennedy2417 2 года назад +12

    If you plan on using a trim kit on the toilet supply please keep it higher than 6".
    Thanks,
    from trim carpenters everywhere installing common 5.5" baseboard.

  • @mitchhurd6492
    @mitchhurd6492 10 месяцев назад +17

    This is an excellent video. I'm a licensed plumber and I wish people would watch this video before attempting to build their own plumbing systems.
    I've been watching some of the other videos on the channel and learning lots. I figured I'd watch this one to nitpick a lil since I'm a licensed plumber and honestly some of the tips here are incredible. The hole saw sizing to be used for the toilet AND the shower. I honestly never even considered that. The wood spacer on the toilet flange is an amazing idea that plumbers in my area don't do and we regularly have leaks on wax seals because the face of their flange isn't the 1/8" - 1/4" above the finished floor.
    I think it's neat how you individually vent the toilet because that's a more commonly accepting practice across different states and codes even though wet venting is a common practice in some areas. You really set the viewer up for success with that one. It'd be worth adding a bit on how the shower was vented.
    I wouldn't recommend flushing the flange test plug down the drain though. We get a few calls about those getting stuck in odd places here and there and it always feels kinda silly to have to tell people that large plastic flaps don't always travel down the drain very well. Fish it out with an extra long pair of needle nose pliers. Drill it out with a hole saw or rip the tab on top in a twisting motion and it should come out.
    Other than that and a few personal preferences on finish pipes I've gotta say you know plumbing better than some plumbers I know and I've been doing this for about 10 years.
    If you know the other trades about as well as you know plumbing, I feel pretty confident you've taught me enough to build my own house properly or at least close enough for the inspectors to correct me on just minor things.
    Thank you.

  • @Mary-fl2eq
    @Mary-fl2eq 6 месяцев назад +22

    I am an older woman desperate to learn how to do home repairs myself. Your videos have helped me immensely. The way you teach makes it easy for me to believe I can do it. That remains to be seen but whatever happens, thanks so much

    • @awesomerpower
      @awesomerpower 2 месяца назад +1

      Same boat, good luck fellow old lady! 😊

    • @astroboy5456
      @astroboy5456 3 дня назад

      The first step is research

  • @chriseck356
    @chriseck356 6 месяцев назад +15

    You absolutely do the best job of anyone out there of explaining what you're doing step-by-step. Incredible how much I learn from your vids ! Thank you ! !

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  6 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you so much! I’m glad I can help you with this tutorial. Good luck with your project!

  • @ralphriffle1126
    @ralphriffle1126 16 дней назад +1

    If you decide to come out to CA. And do plumbing make sure you buy a plumbing code book read it and take a plumbing class.

  • @andrewallen8764
    @andrewallen8764 3 месяца назад +4

    I like that you say why youre doing something or what something does helps me remeber and understand thanks Pal ... Youre a good teacher

  • @truthbetold3931
    @truthbetold3931 7 месяцев назад +2

    Finally a well done, simple, easy to understand ,video without some annoying soundtrack blasting in the background, thank you!

  • @Networkprofessor
    @Networkprofessor Месяц назад

    Thanks for pulling all the spec you need for a project. Saved me from not having to look at so many video.

  • @amanda_claire159
    @amanda_claire159 2 года назад +52

    I've only watched a few of your videos so far, but I am so glad I came across your channel. My oldest son and I are trying to finish out the interior of our tiny cabin and need guidance! Your videos explain everything so we'll and they are appreciated.

  • @TechMechRandom
    @TechMechRandom 11 месяцев назад +3

    Thank you for making this very informative video! I will definitely be watching it a few more time before and during my cabin install.

  • @keepitshmexie9213
    @keepitshmexie9213 Год назад

    six month apprentice here. just coming on a late Friday night to watch the basic stuff I usually do

  • @2eyeson2b
    @2eyeson2b 7 месяцев назад +2

    One of the very best How To videos I've ever seen. Thanks for putting it up. Will be doing a bathroom soon and your instructions here will be invaluable.

  • @quintecehillstudioqdesigns
    @quintecehillstudioqdesigns Год назад +2

    LADWY...sure wish I would have found this video before I drilled a whole bunch of holes 😞. Best video I have found so far! Thank you.

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  Год назад +1

      Knowing is half the battle. I remember when I first learned how to lay out a bathroom, I was thankful for a good teacher I had. Best of luck with your bathroom. Just a tip, if you save the cut out pieces subfloor you can patch the floor pretty easy. Good luck!

    • @quintecehillstudioqdesigns
      @quintecehillstudioqdesigns Год назад

      Thanks!

  • @CedarTrailsLiving
    @CedarTrailsLiving 2 года назад +13

    Great video. For those looking to DIY, be sure to buy purple primer and not the clear stuff. That is how the inspector knows the pipes were primed.

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  2 года назад +2

      Thank you! That is correct. Inspectors look for the purple primer. Thanks for watching!

    • @Thetimberteam
      @Thetimberteam 2 года назад

      WE SHOW YOU SOME TRICKS ON OUR CHANNEL TOO!

    • @jrbass62
      @jrbass62 Год назад +2

      Or pay off inspector a little better...

  • @shottaDex
    @shottaDex 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks a lot for producing such a simple and very explainable video. Well done 👏🏾👍🏾

  • @gordonmack7766
    @gordonmack7766 Год назад +1

    very thorough explanation of procedures.. this video gave me, a DIY'er, the confidence to tackle a bathroom addition on my own. THANKS!

  • @rich5034
    @rich5034 11 месяцев назад

    I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and in particular providing information regarding distance between the various hole spacing. Thank Bud!

  • @4um360
    @4um360 Год назад +1

    By far the best video I’ve watched on the topic! Not only are You a master of your craft, but you are also a great teacher. Thank you! 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @mitzymata7167
    @mitzymata7167 Год назад +13

    This was so super helpful.
    My husband and I are building a house(he’s a plumber) and I want to educate myself so I can be as helpful as possible!
    Thank you for posting!

  • @tedyBear59
    @tedyBear59 2 года назад +2

    Very good explanation of the process.

  • @curtisfarrington2892
    @curtisfarrington2892 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for all the awesome information on plumbing this bathroom.

  • @rohanpatterson1459
    @rohanpatterson1459 2 года назад

    Very good instruction I enjoy watching and learn from it

  • @kevinkidderphotographer
    @kevinkidderphotographer Год назад

    outstanding video!
    we are currently remodeling a cottage on the property, with some substantial relocations. This info will come in handy for sure!

  • @patrickarchuleta9594
    @patrickarchuleta9594 Год назад +3

    Your work is second to none may God continue to bless you and your family. Bottom line

  • @rodrickthompson2799
    @rodrickthompson2799 2 дня назад

    I am currently taking a plumbing class

  • @therealme4552
    @therealme4552 2 года назад +20

    Id rather see the vanity supply going through the wall , it makes installing or replacing the vanity much easier and also stays out of the way of the flooring.

    • @50sKid
      @50sKid Год назад +1

      Yeah I thought that was strange too. You only see that in really old buildings.

  • @josejose2100
    @josejose2100 Год назад +17

    It’s one thing to know what you’re doing but to explain it and teach the way you do. A lot of tradesmen could learn a lot on how to train their helpers. Thanks man! I’ve learned a lot!

  • @mariososa9479
    @mariososa9479 Год назад

    I really like watching your videos explaining everything in detail helping me decide to renovate my bathrooms God bless you.

  • @user-lv5ni5hq3y
    @user-lv5ni5hq3y 6 месяцев назад

    Josh thanks for share this is a lot of helpful for us ❤ I see some time they don't know how you show up this way for me fast and easy way I need to be

  • @nobodysbidniss
    @nobodysbidniss Год назад +2

    Awesome! No annoying background music!

  • @c19comandante57
    @c19comandante57 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks for taking your time to teach us how to do it.

  • @natetownsend109
    @natetownsend109 2 месяца назад

    Hey, thanks for the awesome video! I’m build my own house and just getting ready to start the plumbing.

  • @fitzroynewby3612
    @fitzroynewby3612 Год назад +2

    Good job I am from Jamaica

  • @nickantonelli658
    @nickantonelli658 2 года назад +256

    I’m a certified industrial chemical plumber, we often use pvc for its chemical resistance. You cannot let the primer fully dry. The pipe and fitting must both be tacky when you apply the glue or you will not get a full chemical reaction. Also it isn’t dry fitting anymore once you wet the pipe with primer, all that twisting and pulling on the primed fittings is disturbing the primed surfaces

    • @Urmom-ub6db
      @Urmom-ub6db 2 года назад +15

      Makes sense to me… good tip

    • @tonyantonov947
      @tonyantonov947 2 года назад +6

      This guy has a lot to learn please read my comment what i have tolled him?

    • @berderk2796
      @berderk2796 2 года назад +10

      That makes sense because I was confused when he said dry fit it but he applied the primer. For sure will remember this thx bro. 🙏

    • @truthbetold1855
      @truthbetold1855 2 года назад +43

      @@tonyantonov947 *told him. You have some things to learn as well.

    • @truthbetold1855
      @truthbetold1855 2 года назад +18

      Oatey says you have to glue the primer within 5 minutes, it's still "wet" that long they say but I wouldn't let it go that long or anywhere near it.

  • @c19comandante57
    @c19comandante57 7 месяцев назад

    TEL-You are a Great Teacher.

  • @austinbusiness4267
    @austinbusiness4267 Год назад +4

    This was such an awesome video thank you for taking the time to make this for us

  • @themilkman5768
    @themilkman5768 Год назад +1

    Amazing video😄thanks really helped👍🏻

  • @borisgolovko7705
    @borisgolovko7705 Месяц назад

    Thank you very much. Very informative.

  • @josevilca6493
    @josevilca6493 2 года назад

    Very good explanation how to installation of the sewer pipe.

  • @juniorlewis9173
    @juniorlewis9173 2 года назад +1

    You are so talented. I enjoy watching your videos. Keep up the good work.

  • @AyeCarumba221
    @AyeCarumba221 Год назад +1

    Do yourself a favor and buy some Milwaukee hole saws with a quick release mandrall. When its time to remove the wood scrap from the hole saw, just first pull back the quick release by hand, pop the drill into reverse holding the saw by hand to unscrew the saw from the mandrall, and then use the tip of the pilot bit to push out the circular wood scrap. I spent many years the hard way removing cores with whatever was nearby. So much easier and professional now.

  • @juanpoz8373
    @juanpoz8373 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for you time for showing plumbing ideas

  • @RoyDollwet
    @RoyDollwet 6 месяцев назад

    VERY helpful.................building a tiny home here on the Big Island of Hawaii.

  • @MarcEvans-lj1rk
    @MarcEvans-lj1rk Год назад +1

    Such a great, clear presentation

  • @jayhollingsworth5755
    @jayhollingsworth5755 5 месяцев назад

    Great work. Thank you so much for sharing.

  • @JohnathanBach
    @JohnathanBach 2 года назад

    Good choice on sub flooring.

  • @marlonmccurdy9662
    @marlonmccurdy9662 2 года назад +4

    I really appreciate your tutorials. Very precise and informative 👌👍👏😀

    • @svenulfskjaldbjorn5401
      @svenulfskjaldbjorn5401 Год назад

      Although not always correct!! Read Oatey's instructions on using PVC primer and glue rather than following this guy's example. He does it very wrong!!! "dry fitting" should be done BEFORE applying primer, and glue MUST be applied in under 5 minutes after primer application.

  • @richardpineda1352
    @richardpineda1352 Год назад

    Very informative thanks great work now I know what I need to do Respect! From Texas!

  • @danrolli3576
    @danrolli3576 26 дней назад

    Oh man, you killed it with the accordion trap. Nice work but man I would not put that trap on there.

  • @edwarddemedeiros3607
    @edwarddemedeiros3607 Месяц назад +1

    Very well done. Excellent video!

  • @MariaRodriguez-gc9jk
    @MariaRodriguez-gc9jk Год назад +2

    Thank you Josh. Of all the video on RUclips I’ve watched none ever mention how far the bath tub drain should be from the wall? Either side of the tub, whether perpendicular or parallel to the wall. Thank you so much!

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  Год назад

      I’m glad I could be helpful. I try to make my videos thorough. Good luck on your project!

  • @laneywilks6338
    @laneywilks6338 2 года назад

    Thank you. Loved the video. Refacing a 1963 Rambler. If you have any renovation videos send my way please.

  • @BristolProductions
    @BristolProductions 6 месяцев назад

    Great information.... great presentation.

  • @bobrr7598
    @bobrr7598 6 месяцев назад +4

    This is my GO TO video for roughing out a bathroom!! Thanks simple, no loud music and to the point

  • @derrickantwi3123
    @derrickantwi3123 Год назад +1

    You are just wonderful! I have learned so much and saved so much money just by watching you. ❤❤❤

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  Год назад

      Thanks for letting me know. I’m glad I can help you out! Good luck with the rest of your projects!

  • @JoseNLopez-up8tx
    @JoseNLopez-up8tx 2 года назад +3

    Saludos Josh gracias x compartir exelentes videos muchos calurosos abrazos a la familia bendiciones desde indianapolis Indiana 🇬🇹

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  2 года назад +2

      Hey Jonathan! Thanks for watching. Indiana is a nice place. Stay tuned!!

  • @reneluben1540
    @reneluben1540 6 месяцев назад

    Very good clear information

  • @Bob-fk6kn
    @Bob-fk6kn Год назад +2

    I adjust both water line holes if I have to adjust one (because of a joist or stud being in the way) so they look even after the trim out.

  • @LHAGYALO258
    @LHAGYALO258 2 года назад +3

    Great idea for toilet flange.

  • @johnmurphyable
    @johnmurphyable 2 года назад +2

    Sir you really have developed a lot of knowledge and skills! Much respect! your videos are excellent!

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  2 года назад

      Thank you so much! Stay tuned for more!

    • @svenulfskjaldbjorn5401
      @svenulfskjaldbjorn5401 Год назад

      Not all his knowledge is up to code. Read Oatey's instructions on using primer and glue. "Dry fitting" should be done dry, BEFORE applying primer!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @waltermendez7316
    @waltermendez7316 Год назад +1

    You are an exelent teacher.
    Walter

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  Год назад

      I appreciate that Walter. Take care!

    • @JamesJessenfedden
      @JamesJessenfedden 2 месяца назад

      Hahahaha! If that misspelling of “excellent” is on purpose to critique his misspelling of “toilet”, you are my hero.

  • @user-ef4bs7sg9d
    @user-ef4bs7sg9d 2 месяца назад +1

    Well done thank you love the facts and information

  • @d.vsinghbali7550
    @d.vsinghbali7550 Год назад +1

    Very informative. Thanks a lot

  • @Allintn22
    @Allintn22 Год назад

    It's a completely different game under the house crawling with all material and tools plus running and connecting all the drains and proper fall etc

  • @thefloorstalker6064
    @thefloorstalker6064 Год назад +1

    Spot on demo vid... excellent presentation...

  • @juanS355
    @juanS355 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you really I always learning something from you , 👍

  • @daddy1571
    @daddy1571 Год назад

    You have a lot to learn! I'm gonna leave it at that

  • @andrewcarr2431
    @andrewcarr2431 Год назад +2

    got confused by the "Lav", in the UK that would be the physical toilet. Seems in the North America it means the sink unit. Good video, primer is for PVC pipe, if you are using other materials use the appropriate glue. Your note to orient your fittings so the bend goes with the flow was a nice touch. If you get stuck. As a rule of thumb, **** runs downhill due to gravity.

  • @patrickoneill6297
    @patrickoneill6297 10 месяцев назад

    such a great video....then I saw the flex drain line....come on man!!!

  • @michaelmurad3426
    @michaelmurad3426 Год назад

    Great job thanks 👍

  • @mohdahmed8400
    @mohdahmed8400 2 года назад

    Thank you, very nice vedio with nice illustration.

  • @jfowler752
    @jfowler752 Год назад +2

    REALLY NICE WORK MAN 👌🏿

  • @caseywooddell4894
    @caseywooddell4894 3 месяца назад

    is there a video of what you’re doing in the crawl space also? Love everything you show in this video. Thanks

  • @JoseMendez-gz8og
    @JoseMendez-gz8og 11 месяцев назад

    Really really great videos! Thanks!

  • @otonielmurillo746
    @otonielmurillo746 2 года назад

    JUST AMAZING VIDEO, IT'LL HELP ME FEED MY FAMILY!

  • @wannabegeek519
    @wannabegeek519 Год назад +1

    I have used a jig saw to cut the hole in the floor. Takes some time, but it worked.

  • @likeatoad
    @likeatoad 5 месяцев назад

    well done!

  • @GunnardDoboze
    @GunnardDoboze 5 месяцев назад

    Great video, I live in San Francisco in an old building and it's about to have most of it's plumbing replaced. PVC seems to be the way to go for outflow./drainage

  • @wsalinas1
    @wsalinas1 2 года назад

    Thank's my friend, very instructive your video....!

  • @jimmoss4148
    @jimmoss4148 Год назад +2

    Your videos are GREAT!! You make everything look so easy!! Thank you!!
    Do you have a video on how to run drain lines?
    Thanks again!

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  Год назад

      Thanks a lot. I don’t have a drain line video yet but I will in the future. Stay tuned!

    • @kristinalloyd-mckeel4422
      @kristinalloyd-mckeel4422 Год назад

      @@TheExcellentLaborer Can't wait to see the drain line video! That's were we are on our addition. We are building an addition to our home and your videos have been amazingly helpful.

  • @phungo9375
    @phungo9375 Год назад +1

    Very detail instructions. 👍

  • @alexanderumanzor3251
    @alexanderumanzor3251 Год назад

    Thanks for your help..

  • @lorenzomatias3499
    @lorenzomatias3499 Год назад

    Wow so nice job.

  • @rightontarget4727
    @rightontarget4727 2 года назад +8

    Great video! For those who are laying out its always a good idea to send a screw into the floor either on drill point or right beside it to ensure there's nothing structural in the way

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  2 года назад +1

      Hey Jesse! I appreciate you commenting on my video. Stay tuned for more!

    • @Eastbaypisces
      @Eastbaypisces Год назад

      @@TheExcellentLaborer how do u vent the pipe thru the roof, u have video on that? also can you show how u connected pipes under the house??

    • @Eastbaypisces
      @Eastbaypisces 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@TheExcellentLaborer you can have the vent horizontal running toward toilet vent? Whee about shower vent?

  • @seaneubanks2626
    @seaneubanks2626 Год назад +1

    Thank you! You’re the man!

  • @joshmiller8528
    @joshmiller8528 2 года назад +8

    As a plumber I watched this video and there are few things that I would never do. But for the homeowners doing it themselves this video is for you

    • @tonyantonov947
      @tonyantonov947 2 года назад

      This guy is representing him self to be a plumber..... Or he think he is one.... but it is obvious he has a lot to learn.....

  • @clsfoundation4590
    @clsfoundation4590 5 месяцев назад

    Wow, i guess i have to implement this method

  • @chrisb9902
    @chrisb9902 Год назад

    Insane! Let the knockout go down the drain!!!! STOPPAGE!!

  • @paksarsabzpakistantoursfis3912
    @paksarsabzpakistantoursfis3912 2 года назад

    Very nice and informative video you shared my new friend 🤝 thanks for sharing and stay intouch 🤝👍

  • @andyduomo9229
    @andyduomo9229 Год назад +1

    You freaking awesome. I just paid a fortune to a dum**s plumber. Could've done it all myself.

  • @omnious42
    @omnious42 11 месяцев назад

    Damn Josh, you do everything!

  • @syedturabali940
    @syedturabali940 2 года назад +1

    Amazing job

  • @aaudain1
    @aaudain1 2 года назад

    Great idea

  • @ctbt1832
    @ctbt1832 2 года назад

    Good video I like how you actually laid out the dimensions of a small bathroom and show where everything is going. I would just show also how the vent pipes was connected underneath and ran to the top rooftop that is. Other than that good video do some more videos like this with different small type bathrooms were you have to rearrange the toilet shower tub sink etc to fit

  • @mattgrommesh4125
    @mattgrommesh4125 Год назад

    3rd year here. Very informative. I was hoping you would watch for truss lol. Hit a few not paying attention when I started plumbing. We usually just secure the flange to the subfloor and use riser rings during trim if there is tile. I'm not sure what you would do if a truss was right under your shower drain.
    Can you wet vent where you are from?

  • @LarryOohLaLa
    @LarryOohLaLa 2 года назад +2

    Great job brother I like that

  • @kensimmo
    @kensimmo Год назад +1

    Great job Josh

  • @joshuathomas1939
    @joshuathomas1939 2 года назад

    Thank you for this video!!

  • @T.E.P.
    @T.E.P. 2 года назад +9

    Great vid Josh! It's great you are including the white board .. it's a super effective educational tool. You made a complicated process more understandable for your subscribers. Doing great on these vids!!!!

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  2 года назад +1

      Hey Thor! I was wondering what people thought of the white board. I have done a few videos with it and seems like most like it. As always, thanks for the great feedback. Hope all is well with you!

    • @T.E.P.
      @T.E.P. 2 года назад +1

      @@TheExcellentLaborer it's def a good visual tool and helps explain simply what they are about to see what you are doing on the job site. Doing ok and ty! need some cement guys and some opinions on some headers in this old 1911 building. almost all the plaster and lathe and knob and tubing removed with new wire running. thank you for interacting with your subscribers!

    • @TheExcellentLaborer
      @TheExcellentLaborer  2 года назад

      @@T.E.P. Remodels can be a lot of work and a pain. The historical value is priceless though. I love interacting with my subscribers!

    • @svenulfskjaldbjorn5401
      @svenulfskjaldbjorn5401 Год назад

      Only he needs to check his spelling. He misspelled "toilet" (0:30) for Christ's sake!!!

    • @JuanGonzalez-im2wi
      @JuanGonzalez-im2wi Год назад

      ​@@svenulfskjaldbjorn5401 ,since you're so critical of his initiative, why don't you post your own videos and showcase your expertise?
      * Primadonnas don't seem to understand the value of positive collaboration. As far as I can conclude from all your negative comments you are the Chief Primadonna. What a pity !