Going through this very transition now… questioning a lot of things I was taught growing up in a strict Christian family. I’ve always been a very logical person, so deism makes sense to me. My husband (bless his heart) has been patiently listening to my questions and agrees with me on a lot of things (though he isn’t deist, he considers himself a Christian). I think deist is the closest thing to my current beliefs now. Let’s just say deism makes more sense to me than Christianity. Thank you for sharing this! It feels like a lonely path right now since my family is Christian too. It’s nice to know I’m not alone, even if it feels like I am.
Deism seems functionally no different than atheism. If the creator does not intervene in the creation then why bother with him? What difference does it make if he has sentience?
@@G_Singh222 You may as well have asked me why cars break down if there is such a thing as bottled wine. Non Sequitur. If you are looking for answers, I would suggest the Book of Job.
@@notsharingwithyoutube You see, I’m trying to accept Christ but I just can’t with the animal suffering issue. Book of Job doesn’t help either because: 1. god let’s satan do evil things 2. god doesn’t explain why he does that, all he does is just overwhelming the person suffering with things like "I created this, i created that etc. and you’re asking *me* ? The almighty, the most powerful, the creator"
@@G_Singh222 God doesn't exist to be what you want him to be. If you chose to not believe in volcanoes because they do mean things, that doesn't mean that they stop existing. You ignore the existence of volcanoes at your own peril, not theirs. When you read the Book of Job, keep in mind that this is someone that God likes. Imagine what he might do to those he doesn't like.
I Understand. I was raised Catholic until I left at 17. Then in College, I read Tom Paine's "Age of Reason" and found that there was a third option to "religion" and "atheism". It doesn't answer everything but at least it made more sense to me as an intelligent person and unlike organized religion it didn't insult my intelligence. Deism is not right for everyone, but it was right for me.
I've been searching for years for this concept. I've studied different beliefs from Christianity to Wicca and at one point I thought I was atheist. Deism makes it all make sense.
Deism is a reasoned honest approach to spirituality. Humans have used religion for their own benefit for milleniums. The problem is not religion it is organised religion. Being a finite mortal I cannot say much about an infinite god except that the universe is so complex and organised that I believe there must be a creator. I say, live a good life, worship and pray to god and I believe that when you pass over you will become one with the devine.
I think simple Deism is the balanced center path between the randomist view of atheism and the determinist view of cultural religion. Both atheism and cultural religion dismiss free will whether they acknowledge or admit that or not. If you believe everything is random, the universe is just a dead mechanism, and the purpose of life is just to keep existing then you can't possibly accept free will. If you believe that God controls everything and all you need to do is believe and pray, there's no free will in that, either. Deism accepts that there is a Creative Intelligence behind everything, put Natural Law (the Deterministic element) into effect, and that we have the Free Will (the random element) choice to abide by Natural Law..or not. So, I'd say it's the most balanced spiritual worldview. No dogma, no doctrine, no moral relativism, no "authority." Only Sovereignty.
calvinism dismisses free will basically, but catholicism emphasizes free will within christianity, as for me I'm a "skeptic deist" because god basically gave me signs of his existence and of his will, and I've determined a few theistic points from those signs communication (liberty and justice, classical liberalism and conservatism derived from classical liberal principles as a middle path) and a belief that our place in the afterlife is pre-ordained by god as he has all the power, but that everyone goes to purgatory before heaven and that the more evil you are the longer purgatory is but damnation isn't permanent unless you refuse to repent after death and god showing you how you went wrong - not that I believe anyone fails to repent god is very persuasive, and I believe free will is a scientific concept for how we relate to each other, not a theological concept on how we relate to god, but I must believe everyone gets redeemed eventually at least, out of a sense of fairness to compensate (it was through synchronicity so my interpretation could be off but if you for example were to think to yourself "what's 2+2" and suddenly at that very moment a person walked by and said "the answer is 4" then that might be an example of synchronicity/signs from god, or if you thought but didn't say "what should I do" and someone walked by and said "join a catholic monastery" then that might be guidance from god, just as examples that follow the same principles as a few of my own experiences
oh and I forgot to mention that I believe purgatory is indefinite if you don't repent, you never lose the chance after death to walk the path to redemption and a heavenly existence, you can just postpone it "forever" if you so wish, not that I believe anyone who god feels he has to educate them on what their sins were is so stuck up (like even genocidal tyrants) that they will refuse the offer once they are more aware of their spirit and of god
I was a deist for 2 years, then I started to be interested in the Bible but now I am thinking again about going back to deism, it is what made sense to me.
@@nunomartins2209 People are murdered in genocide, it contradicts itself in many parts, it’s extremely inaccurate in many cases. And this is the bases of a faith that encompasses nearly 1/6th of the worlds population? Humanity, we can do better. Deism is based on a loving creator, doing good to others, and having an understanding (and actually accurate, and helpful) understanding of the world around us to benefit all. Organized religion: “God is gonna do it!” (He isn’t.) Deism: “We have to do it!” (We can.)
i disagree that deism is based on a loving creator, but rather a creator that left us to our own devices, some might argue that a god that abandons is not a good one, however gods intentions are outside of our understandings, and that belief is inherently founded on personal experience and human thinking. I am not saying your other statements are wrong at all, its just that a diesitic gods intentions can never be truly known, yet you should strive positively regardless. @@AidanVeritasTheAmazingDeist
I like deism because it's sort of a libertarian religion/ worldview. The only two things deists have in common is 1) they believe in a higher power, 2)they reject dogma/ mysticism.
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Good question. Mysticism is epistemological assertion on attaining knowledge. Where as belief in a higher power is a metaphysical position. If you ever study epistemology(the philosophy of knowledge) there are roughly three categories 1) truth 2) belief 3) justification of belief. Under the justification section there are again 3 sections that people use to justify a belief 1) empiricism/" falsified evidence " 2)logic and reasoning 3) mysticism or "magic? So for example; instead of God let's say I believe in aliens. If my justification of aliens is that i hear them talk to me in my sleep Or I were abducted and have some elaborate story then that's mysticism. If my justification is predicated on some variation of the drake equation or using some sort of footage. Then that's different. That's the general position most deists take; by observing nature and the universe they come to the conclusion that based on its order and nature laws that it's simply not an accident. Dose that answer your question?
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. William explained more thoroughly than I'm capable of. My only response would be that there's not much consistency in human logic to begin with, myself included.
I can relate to your story. I had less church than you did as a kid, but the whole once you don't live at home with your parents and start living your own life, it just fades. But it comes back, and even in my 60s I am still giving church a try after many years. Now, I want to be at peace with the whole God thing, so deism may be my way forward. I think the whole "believe" thing is what I want to let go of. Many religions do not require belief, but allow a spiritual side to exist.
WOW, My life story re: church and religion. At the age of 88 yrs, It is so nice to know I DON'T KNOW!! I have the same understanding but really knew what it was called. Enjoyed your vid.
Deism definitely fits me. I was raised in an abusive Christian fundamentalist household, started questioning my faith when I was 14/15 back in 2016, became an edgy atheist shortly after, then became non-edgy atheist, then became an agnostic, and now I'm currently a deist. It has been somewhat of a relief as well.
I'd been 'floating' religion-wise for many years, with my own firm beliefs about God that weren't reflected fully enough in any mainstream religion. But I recently realized that I check off enough of Deism's boxes to qualify as one. I just kind of slid into the religion. It's not a perfect fit, but it's the closest to describing my worldview. The only real sticking point is that I believe I've experienced a life-changing miracle, so that element might not work, but for the most part, I'm finding it's an alright fit.
You’re making the same mistake that a lot of people make when discussing deism. It’s NOT a religion. Rather it is a philosophical and enlightening movement that acknowledges that there is/was a creator who set everything in motion and let the natural laws he/she/it created “take over” and let nature run its course.
Deism is the last house on the block for me. Can’t express how spiritually divided I am right now. Tired of the middle man. I just picked up some Thomas Paine literature. Thanks for making this.
I had been unable describe my beliefs. After many loses and abuses, I met a counselor who suggested: When Bad Things Happen to Good People. Prayers go unanswered. God has a plan. Why do babies get cancer? What did I do wrong? Is God a cosmic gumball machine? If things always work out for you is it because you "got Jesus"? Do we prefer to create our God in our image? Is religion used to control people? I know when I see people over coming or helping that I am seeing God. Children, animals, plants, nature are to me expressions of God. I am going to read more about Deism.
Same here deism makes more sense than any organiszed religion . Ive checked both christanity n islam n tjey all have pronlems withgod concept n morals of god
I grew up in the Pilgrim Holiness Church denomination. But my family switched to the Assemblies of God when i was 14, well i did first. The Assemblies of God are a Pentecostal denomination. I was taught that evil exists in the world because the enemy is in control at the moment however Christ will soon bring his sadistic and evil reign to an end. Loved your video though. I have considered Deism but I just cannot bring myself to it, I love Jesus to much!
I have been a Deist for a long time in it's simplest form without even knowing it. I wasn't brought up to be religous so I was therefore never lead down any path to believe in religion, I was left with my own thoughts not that I was looking for answers to questions regarding religion, religion was just a small part of life that gave you a nudge when it came to times of celebration like christmas time and easter and other events enjoyed by christians, I learned just by observation what they believe in, the word God was the most prevalent word used along with goodness and kindness so on the surface of things christians seemed like nice people but the allure was not for me I had a life of fun and adventure ahead of me to be had ( aged 10/11 at the time ) as life's time passed and still non religious I would say to myself as long as I know within myself I am a good person morally then God would accept me when my time comes, and why should I use a physical place of worship when I carry it within myself in a strange way.
Thank you. I have been able to grow as a person. and with that I have been able to explore different non essential aspects of life. That came to my religion. i grew up going to a religious private shcool,. but now I question it. I don't question god, but all the rest of it. That theres are all these rules when the world is so awful. Thank you for being able to put my thoughts into words.
I am also a deist I personally believe that God instilled his will in us men to fight evil. Some were just corrupted in the journey of fighting that evil, twisted in some form by society and other perils it brings. At least that's why I believe God allows evil.
❤ My dear, nice video. I affirm in God as well. And affirm we are here in this short life to be tested. God like a teacher in the classroom, quiet and observant, watching us as we do our exams. .. But as a Deist, I think you are DANGEROUSLY INCOMPLETE AND WILL FAIL THE TEST OF LIFE if you have not reasoned out that if we are given free-will here to be tested, then THERE MUST BE A JUDGEMENT after we die to determine our next destination. And therefore as a result, HOW WE LIVED OUR LIVES IS PARAMOUNT ! There are MORAL LAWS WE MUST ADHERE TO that elevate us above mere animals. And we must adhere to them for the glory of God in order to pass this grand test of life! Never forget that ☝🏽 The second thing for a Deist to be a complete Deist, he or she, must be humble and learn to respond back to God not by just living a moral righteous life, but by Prayer! 🤔 I can't see you being a complete Deists if you show no appreciation and thankgiving to the Almighty God for the "good things" bestowed to you in life. 🤷🏽♂️ .. One thing about the Founding Fathers of the United States, I learnt, is that they all affirmed in the power of prayer. That at SOMETIMES IF GOD IS WILLING, GOD intervenes in our affairs (providence). In sum, an authentic Deist upholds the self-evident absolute and timeless moral laws to live by. He upholds we will be judged after this life whether we were loyal to God's principles or followed our own animalistic ways. And of course, everyone will be rewarded for all that they do, say, and think. And he will be a person of PRAYER AND THANKSGIVING, and believe that God is not restricted from divine providence. This is very important. ☝🏽 *NEVER FORGER THAT* 🙏🏽 Kind Regards. My God bless you and keep you. :)
Thank you for the thoughtful comments, but what you or anyone consider to be an "authentic deist" is not up for debate. I'm glad that this interpretation of how the creator works has satisfied your needs, but it doesn't work for me personally. I reject the idea of prayer, judgement, and providence. I also find morality completely subjective in a universe that clearly rewards the survival of the fittest. God could have spared us from our own animalistic ways, but it didn't. That tells me volumes.
@@RadioEdwards - Hmmm 🤔 ... so we can't tell the difference of whether a child should be loved or sexually tortured??? It's up to our subjective animal selves to choose "the right" way??? Let me get this straight - you are saying, there is no universal conscience that tells us it is wrong to torture a child? 🙄
Universal consciousness? If we had universal consciousness then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but we don't, which is why bad people do terrible things to innocent people. I'm not sure universal consciousness wold do the trick either. People in large groups are also known to commit terrible atrocities, so who knows 🙈🙉🙊
@@mtalk828 all of world history, current events, and personal experience. Not that I believe all people are bad, but judging us as a whole we are the most dangerous creatures on the planet, and shouldn't be trusted. We tend to crucify things we don't understand en masse.
I was a Muslim, now I feel comfortable in diesm because it fills the innate gaps that always haunt a person about a creator even if he is not present, I was in one of the worst and most toxic religions ever.. In fact, I see religions in general as nothing but a human creation that depends mainly on intimidation and superstition and is completely illogical.. Now I am trying to get rid of the effects of the toxicity of Islam on me, but it is an exhausting thing
God is everything that was, is, and will be. It is what we know and what we don't know. We don't know if God created the universe or if it always existed. We do have a brain and not knowing things allows us to think and make discoveries.
For me, Deism is about keeping my mind open to the possibility of a creator or creative force existing. Until a better scientific explanation is found, Deism remains a reasonable, rational hypothesis for the origin of the universe.
I think I’ve experienced miracles or synchronicities in the universe too. Are we in a hologram? Also what does Deism say about sacrifice? People who think we’re sinners, we’ve got laws for that.
I'm 35 and have felt the sane al my life from Christian family but it's written my a man and I don't agree with how things are forced or strongly push on you al religions . This is hiw I felt god is real 100 but he's the creator its up to us to learn whats rite
3:20 I busted out laughing... Seriously though, deism or something like it is a pretty balanced approach. We can experience God on a personal level while God Himself can remain impersonal. If there is a God at all, everything in life would seem to point to this being the case. Imo anyway.
So many things are impossible for God when it's tied to dogma. If I were a deist, I would say that an Omni-God could set everything in motion with a snap. Everything would be possible from the subatomic level, including abiogenesis. I'm an agnostic atheist who doesn't need any saving, but my concept of God is just so much smarter than the one found at the Ark Encounter.
I appreciate that Luke, thank you for the comment, and keep working on that! Real answers are hard to find, but they do exist. I recommend listening to Alan Watts lectures on RUclips!
Jesus was co-opted by the Roman Empire. His true messages and teachings are definitely in there. However, a lot of it has HUGE propaganda re-writes and a lot of Pagan gods tied into the mythology of Jesus. What I’ve surmised is that, Jesus was a Jewish man, trying to bring revolutionary change to the Jewish faith, and preaching about how we all have a spark of divinity in us. This then got twisted into Jesus himself being divine, and they mixed in many of their already established pagan myths to deify and mystify him, and removing or decontextualising anything that could give the impression that we, too can do anything we use God’s power that resides in all of us. Instead they want us to fall on our knees and beg for salvation like slaves, or pay a tithe to absolve our sins, making us dependent on them. Things like “original sin”, “Trinitarian doctrine”, The resurrection, and the Virgin Birth are prime examples of the tactics used by The Catholic Church that twist Jesus and his message.
I’m an agnostic atheist who sees no reason to be Deist. What’s the point in believing in a god who has nothing to do with you. Still, I prefer Deists to the religious.
Doesnt mean he wants nothing to do with you thats just one interpretation. Just means that God lets things play out by the rules generally speaking. Doesnt dismiss any other notion one may have
I don't know is first step to true wisdom. The Creator caused the Universe to come into being. About 10 billion years after the creation of the Universe, Earth comes into existence. 20 to 30 thousand years ago modern man came into existence. But after the creation of the Universe . The Creator left his creation to the inhabitants of that creation watched to see what would happen. Freewill and the responsibilities that come with it was the Creator's gift to the inhabitants of the Universe. And the church has been trying to take that away since man created the church. But that's just my view of things.
Been going through the same process a few years now, almost seems like blasphemy to say I'm sympathetic to Deism, comforting in a strange way:) Good talk...
A god that doesn't interact with reality in any discernable way is indistinguishable from a god that doesn't exist. Such a god is unfalsifiable and it is irrational to believe in the truth of any proposition that cannot be falsified.
In your 20s wow, took me 65 year to find Deist in fact the last few days, I had a look at a few religions am like No No No and Deffo No.. and for many years I was a Atheist but still this didn't sit right, something gave us this world even as I type on a plastic K/B and look at a monitor yes man made but from the earth to start with.. by accident I found the word Deist and straight away I thought yes a creator, the Jesus thing, many have been to my door to try convert me and I say but we nailed Jesus to a cross (He died for our sins they reply) I say nail my son to a cross and there is nothing in the whole world would put that right...maybe that is why he looks down and thinks burn in Hell Humans. (If thats all True)
Those who believe, their hearts being at rest in God's remembrance -- surely in God's remembrance are hearts at rest Verse (13:28). Listen to the Quran online in Arabic eg RUclips. It's far superior to the English translation
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” - John 3:16 God bless everyone here. Jesus loves you and died for you on the cross. He did this to wash away the burden of sins, and if you open your heart to Him, He can take away the burden of your sins and give you a peace incomparable to anything in this world. ✝✝🙏
It isn't a necessary part of being a Deist to believe that God created the world and then stepped back and doesn't intervene in the world. One can be a Deist and believe that God is constantly intervening in the world, including in the form of answering prayers addressed to God.
In the most basic terms, I would have to politely disagree. The definition in the dictionary reads "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe".
On the other hand, you could be right. The beauty of Deism is that we can all have different perspectives in that what has been revealed to you isn't necessarily revealed to others.
God hasn’t answered one tiny prayer in 15 years. This is what made me a Deist. Go on, ask God to turn into a blue teddy bear and have a conversation with you tonight about your dying family member with cancer. Guess what? God won’t do it. This is nonintervention.
What's wrong with being an Atheist? Why is it that you wanted/needed to be "saved" from Atheism? Your video is great, but saying in your description that you wanted to be "saved from Atheism" is ridiculous.
I probably could have worded that better, but it felt like the most honest way to describe it at the time. I think what I was trying to say is that Atheism just didn't work for me logically, even though that is what was naturally becoming. There's certainly not anything wrong with being an atheist!
So you are an agnostic theist, in that you don't know that a god or gods exist but you believe that one does because of the "comfort" that belief brings. I personally identify as an agnostic atheist in that I don't claim to know that no god or gods exist but I don't believe that they do, because no theist has ever come remotely close to providing sufficient evidence to justify their particular god beliefs, including you.
A contradiction is an impossibility and a miracle is an impossibility that only God makes possible. Do you believe in miracles? I have written on God that would settle the debate between religious people and atheists because both are wrong having arguments to be right because God exists as irrefutably as a mathematical truth and the religious god doesn’t as hatred is not perfect love. If everything needed to be created nothing would exists, therefore God exists. I exist therefore i was created or always existed and the creator was created or always existed, therefore an eternal entity exists. A miracle or impossibility possible is the existence of infinitude. Can a car go at infinite speed, have a painting infinite colours, start a race an eternity ago, have a football pitch infinite space? It is impossible, unless it is God, that can make the impossible possible. God was not created because if God was created i would not exist. If the universe was eternal the universe would be a miracle, God. The universe is an infinitesimal part of infinite God that is everything that ever existed, exists and would exist, the eternal miracle of Life and Death, the origin of the creation because nothing existed before and everything was created after from Self because nothing is created from nothing and nothing is destroyed into nothing unless nothing is something, an impossibility possible or miracle, God that is existence and non existence. Philosophy, logic, rational thinking alone proves the existence of God but humanity choose to ignore, reject the arguments that contradict their vision of reality. God is not an entity separated from the creation as the creation comes from Self. God is the first cause uncaused, the infinite Creator and the finite creation, one Life and multiple lives, same Life and different lives, All reality and fiction, the miraculous Game of Life and Death transforming in time. God is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed alive or dead, when all life die and God die becoming deterministic movement, like growing nails in a corpse, a memory of the past without new minds created in the present because life comes from life, love, union, truth. Humanity is lying to self because don’t understand that we all are in the same and different Boat of Life and Death and the life of any creature is God’s Life past present and future, I am the same and different person than i was yesterday and I would be tomorrow impossibility possible miracle God. Hell and heaven is ourselves for eternity til endless death when all life die and God die becoming a memory of the eternal history of God, like a still picture or growing nails in a corpse. Would you like to know the absolute truth, all eternal reality? Only a fool wouldn’t like to know the truth, even if unpleasant. Would you like all to know all? Only if you are honest. If being yourself for eternity doesn’t scare you you are honest. To die is to resurrect in the past of God to know everything and judge ourselves with perfect justice, perfect knowledge and be rewarded or punished with heavenly or hellish psychology for having lived the Game of Life and Death wisely or foolishly for eternity. All creation and destruction stays in God because God is existence and non existence because nothing existed before and all is created after. Nothing can not exist unless is something, an impossibility possible or miracle, God. The mind is created and not destroyed and the Life of God keeps having lives living in the present and resurrecting in the past.
@@RadioEdwards - Facts and truth don't have much to do with each other. A fact is something that's indisputable, based on empirical research and quantifiable measures. Facts go beyond theories. They're proven through calculation and experience, or they're something that definitively occurred in the past. Truth is entirely different; it may include fact, but it can also include belief. CHECKMATE!!!
How can the idea of deism have saved you from atheism, when you say that you are hardwired to believe in deities? That makes no sense, also you say that as if atheism would be something bad that people need to be saved from. That notion doesn't sound like something someone who is truly at peace would actually say.
All religion is subjective. Even deism is highly subjective. But hey, it’s okay to think there’s a transcendent entity that created all we see. There’s just no proof other than appeals to teleological arguments. And scripture…which unfortunately doesn’t hold up well to higher criticism, historical objectivity - nor can some folks be inclined to worship a being that asked the founder of this incipient religion to slit the throat of his son. So there’s that. My conclusion? There no certainty. We live. We die. Enjoy it. As best you can. Try to live up to some type of altruism. Who was Jesus? Mohamed? Et al? We. Don’t. Really. Know. Sorry. What you do believe might well be all in your brain. That’s it. And the manipulative narrative of other humans, powers, governments, and individuals. And remember, your views and perspectives on faith can evolve over the years. Me? My self-advocacy and agency are the most treasured gift I have, other than life itself, never to be robbed again by those who live in their curated bubble of confirmation bias, brainwashing, abdication of critical thinking, idiot talk parroting scripture, lack of recognition of the cognitive dissonance at function with faith, and finally the total hubris of thinking your particular house of cards is the correct theology. Have an awesome day. Embrace the moments, the memories and stay hopeful for tomorrow. Look up at the stars. The waves on the ocean. The complexity of nature. Regardless, we are creatures subjected to the awe and wonder and incredible mysteries of existence and out own ability to contemplate it all. If your life involves abuse, pain, or some type of suffering, I am sorry for you. It can be challenging. Stay strong. Be brave. Don’t ever be goaded into not being yourself.
Good start guys. Now try reading the Quran rather than worshiping or over respecting your ego. Would you want to reflect the Book has written. The Bible yes has many problems. But don't assume that therefore applies to the Quran as well. Give it a read.
@@SicMundus7 I'd have already known what deism is, dude. I was just talking about how the belief in the existence of god without religion isn't called "deism", because theism by itself was never really a religion, to begin with. You already have non-religious theists here in the US who aren't really classified as "deists". So do you understand my point? 🙂
You are not a Deist but a Christian who questions religion. In Deism, there is no plan. No imaginary place called Heaven or Hell and no devil either. You have not witnessed provable miracle but an unexplained event you want to believe is a miracle. You don't have the freedom you speak of as you are still tethered to many fundamental Christian beliefs. At the end of the day agnosticism is the only logical stance as you, I and anyone who as ever lived or will ever life has no damn idea what if anything happens when you die. If you think you do you are only lying to yourself.
Thanks for your comment, that is certainly one way of looking at it, but I disagree. Deism is in the eye of the beholder, a personal revelation that isn't one size fits all.
I just happened upon the term “deism” today and it’s resonating with me pretty hard. I have loads of internal questions that you already touched up on. For example good created everything already and doesn’t interfere BUT there are some miracles that seem to occur. Who’s to say that “miracle” wasn’t already created and put there in the first place and there was no intervention from god? Idk, a really great topic and you talked about it really well. You’ve got my subscription 👍🏼
I have the same trouble shaking off Christianity. I still struggle with it, almost KNOWING it has to be fable...there's much wisdom to be found in the Abrahamic religions, but ultimately it's not enough, not believable enough.
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Going through this very transition now… questioning a lot of things I was taught growing up in a strict Christian family. I’ve always been a very logical person, so deism makes sense to me. My husband (bless his heart) has been patiently listening to my questions and agrees with me on a lot of things (though he isn’t deist, he considers himself a Christian). I think deist is the closest thing to my current beliefs now. Let’s just say deism makes more sense to me than Christianity. Thank you for sharing this! It feels like a lonely path right now since my family is Christian too. It’s nice to know I’m not alone, even if it feels like I am.
Since becoming a deist, my scientist side and my spiritual side to live together in peace
Same I'm so comfortable with my new faith
Deism for me, in it's simplest form, feels like the most honest approach to understanding my creator. Religion is just human/ape hubris.
Deism seems functionally no different than atheism. If the creator does not intervene in the creation then why bother with him? What difference does it make if he has sentience?
@@notsharingwithyoutubewhy does animal suffering exist if theism is true ?
@@G_Singh222 You may as well have asked me why cars break down if there is such a thing as bottled wine. Non Sequitur. If you are looking for answers, I would suggest the Book of Job.
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You see, I’m trying to accept Christ but I just can’t with the animal suffering issue. Book of Job doesn’t help either because:
1. god let’s satan do evil things
2. god doesn’t explain why he does that, all he does is just overwhelming the person suffering with things like "I created this, i created that etc. and you’re asking *me* ? The almighty, the most powerful, the creator"
@@G_Singh222 God doesn't exist to be what you want him to be. If you chose to not believe in volcanoes because they do mean things, that doesn't mean that they stop existing. You ignore the existence of volcanoes at your own peril, not theirs. When you read the Book of Job, keep in mind that this is someone that God likes. Imagine what he might do to those he doesn't like.
Man as someone who has adhd deism sets me at peace in way life is journey beautiful one if there is more to this I look forward to it
I Understand. I was raised Catholic until I left at 17. Then in College, I read Tom Paine's "Age of Reason" and found that there was a third option to "religion" and "atheism". It doesn't answer everything but at least it made more sense to me as an intelligent person and unlike organized religion it didn't insult my intelligence. Deism is not right for everyone, but it was right for me.
it happen to me too, from Islam. deism feels right for me
Definitely one of my favorite books!
I've been searching for years for this concept. I've studied different beliefs from Christianity to Wicca and at one point I thought I was atheist. Deism makes it all make sense.
Deism is a reasoned honest approach to spirituality. Humans have used religion for their own benefit for milleniums. The problem is not religion it is organised religion. Being a finite mortal I cannot say much about an infinite god except that the universe is so complex and organised that I believe there must be a creator. I say, live a good life, worship and pray to god and I believe that when you pass over you will become one with the devine.
Our relationship with our CREATOR IS ALL ABOUT DIVINE LOVE 💕 that’s all, doing right towards all peoples
I think simple Deism is the balanced center path between the randomist view of atheism and the determinist view of cultural religion. Both atheism and cultural religion dismiss free will whether they acknowledge or admit that or not. If you believe everything is random, the universe is just a dead mechanism, and the purpose of life is just to keep existing then you can't possibly accept free will. If you believe that God controls everything and all you need to do is believe and pray, there's no free will in that, either. Deism accepts that there is a Creative Intelligence behind everything, put Natural Law (the Deterministic element) into effect, and that we have the Free Will (the random element) choice to abide by Natural Law..or not. So, I'd say it's the most balanced spiritual worldview. No dogma, no doctrine, no moral relativism, no "authority." Only Sovereignty.
%100 agree with you.
Exactly
Amen, no one’s going to tell me what to do!
calvinism dismisses free will basically, but catholicism emphasizes free will within christianity, as for me I'm a "skeptic deist" because god basically gave me signs of his existence and of his will, and I've determined a few theistic points from those signs communication (liberty and justice, classical liberalism and conservatism derived from classical liberal principles as a middle path) and a belief that our place in the afterlife is pre-ordained by god as he has all the power, but that everyone goes to purgatory before heaven and that the more evil you are the longer purgatory is but damnation isn't permanent unless you refuse to repent after death and god showing you how you went wrong - not that I believe anyone fails to repent god is very persuasive, and I believe free will is a scientific concept for how we relate to each other, not a theological concept on how we relate to god, but I must believe everyone gets redeemed eventually at least, out of a sense of fairness to compensate
(it was through synchronicity so my interpretation could be off but if you for example were to think to yourself "what's 2+2" and suddenly at that very moment a person walked by and said "the answer is 4" then that might be an example of synchronicity/signs from god, or if you thought but didn't say "what should I do" and someone walked by and said "join a catholic monastery" then that might be guidance from god, just as examples that follow the same principles as a few of my own experiences
oh and I forgot to mention that I believe purgatory is indefinite if you don't repent, you never lose the chance after death to walk the path to redemption and a heavenly existence, you can just postpone it "forever" if you so wish, not that I believe anyone who god feels he has to educate them on what their sins were is so stuck up (like even genocidal tyrants) that they will refuse the offer once they are more aware of their spirit and of god
I was a deist for 2 years, then I started to be interested in the Bible but now I am thinking again about going back to deism, it is what made sense to me.
The bible makes no sense
However it has some good parts such as Ecclesiastes
@@nunomartins2209 People are murdered in genocide, it contradicts itself in many parts, it’s extremely inaccurate in many cases. And this is the bases of a faith that encompasses nearly 1/6th of the worlds population? Humanity, we can do better. Deism is based on a loving creator, doing good to others, and having an understanding (and actually accurate, and helpful) understanding of the world around us to benefit all.
Organized religion: “God is gonna do it!” (He isn’t.)
Deism: “We have to do it!” (We can.)
i disagree that deism is based on a loving creator, but rather a creator that left us to our own devices, some might argue that a god that abandons is not a good one, however gods intentions are outside of our understandings, and that belief is inherently founded on personal experience and human thinking. I am not saying your other statements are wrong at all, its just that a diesitic gods intentions can never be truly known, yet you should strive positively regardless. @@AidanVeritasTheAmazingDeist
I recently became a Deist. It is the only belief system that makes sense! 👍
Same, I just don’t understand how anything in religion makes sense
Am an ex muslim and currenlt diest
Needed this thank you ❤️
Same here Christian Islam god makes 0 sense 😂
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I like deism because it's sort of a libertarian religion/ worldview. The only two things deists have in common is 1) they believe in a higher power, 2)they reject dogma/ mysticism.
couldn't agree more William!
How is believing in a higher power and rejecting mysticism consistent?
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Good question. Mysticism is epistemological assertion on attaining knowledge. Where as belief in a higher power is a metaphysical position. If you ever study epistemology(the philosophy of knowledge) there are roughly three categories 1) truth 2) belief 3) justification of belief. Under the justification section there are again 3 sections that people use to justify a belief 1) empiricism/" falsified evidence " 2)logic and reasoning 3) mysticism or "magic?
So for example; instead of God let's say I believe in aliens. If my justification of aliens is that i hear them talk to me in my sleep Or I were abducted and have some elaborate story then that's mysticism. If my justification is predicated on some variation of the drake equation or using some sort of footage. Then that's different. That's the general position most deists take; by observing nature and the universe they come to the conclusion that based on its order and nature laws that it's simply not an accident. Dose that answer your question?
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. William explained more thoroughly than I'm capable of. My only response would be that there's not much consistency in human logic to begin with, myself included.
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Hmmm...but mysticism has no dependency with logic.
There's also a tremendous amount of intellectual honesty in saying, "I don't know" and meaning it.
Thank you for your honesty, refreshing to hear „I don’t know“ shows humility.
I can relate to your story. I had less church than you did as a kid, but the whole once you don't live at home with your parents and start living your own life, it just fades. But it comes back, and even in my 60s I am still giving church a try after many years. Now, I want to be at peace with the whole God thing, so deism may be my way forward. I think the whole "believe" thing is what I want to let go of. Many religions do not require belief, but allow a spiritual side to exist.
WOW, My life story re: church and religion. At the age of 88 yrs, It is so nice to know I DON'T KNOW!! I have the same understanding but really knew what it was called. Enjoyed your vid.
When I heard you say, "..speaking in tongues", my ears perked up!
Deism definitely fits me.
I was raised in an abusive Christian fundamentalist household, started questioning my faith when I was 14/15 back in 2016, became an edgy atheist shortly after, then became non-edgy atheist, then became an agnostic, and now I'm currently a deist.
It has been somewhat of a relief as well.
What relief do you get from pretending there’s a magical being out there?
I'd been 'floating' religion-wise for many years, with my own firm beliefs about God that weren't reflected fully enough in any mainstream religion. But I recently realized that I check off enough of Deism's boxes to qualify as one. I just kind of slid into the religion. It's not a perfect fit, but it's the closest to describing my worldview. The only real sticking point is that I believe I've experienced a life-changing miracle, so that element might not work, but for the most part, I'm finding it's an alright fit.
You’re making the same mistake that a lot of people make when discussing deism. It’s NOT a religion. Rather it is a philosophical and enlightening movement that acknowledges that there is/was a creator who set everything in motion and let the natural laws he/she/it created “take over” and let nature run its course.
Ironically, much like the God Crom from the Conan movie...I find that thought hilarious 😂
Just passing by:
I am a passionate reader of Spinoza.
(Your day be blessed.)
The miracle is our nervous system and free will ❤️
Exactly!
Deism is the last house on the block for me. Can’t express how spiritually divided I am right now. Tired of the middle man.
I just picked up some Thomas Paine literature. Thanks for making this.
I know how you feel! Thanks for the comments, Thomas Paine was the best!
I am a pantheist but this still applies. I wish you all great peace
I to am a Deist, have been for a while now. Good video...Best wishes for your program..
I believe humans are hardwired to believe in God. Religion just makes it unnecessarily complicated.
I believe we are conditioned to believe in God as society gives it to you. I was in with Deism for a while, but ended up with Pantheism. It's All God.
I had been unable describe my beliefs. After many loses and abuses, I met a counselor who suggested: When Bad Things Happen to Good People.
Prayers go unanswered. God has a plan. Why do babies get cancer? What did I do wrong? Is God a cosmic gumball machine? If things always work out for you is it because you "got Jesus"? Do we prefer to create our God in our image? Is religion used to control people?
I know when I see people over coming or helping that I am seeing God. Children, animals, plants, nature are to me expressions of God.
I am going to read more about Deism.
thnx for the topic , deism indeed gave me peace
Same here deism makes more sense than any organiszed religion . Ive checked both christanity n islam n tjey all have pronlems withgod concept n morals of god
I grew up in the Pilgrim Holiness Church denomination. But my family switched to the Assemblies of God when i was 14, well i did first. The Assemblies of God are a Pentecostal denomination. I was taught that evil exists in the world because the enemy is in control at the moment however Christ will soon bring his sadistic and evil reign to an end. Loved your video though. I have considered Deism but I just cannot bring myself to it, I love Jesus to much!
Thanks for the story and considerate comments Rob!
I have been a Deist for a long time in it's simplest form without even knowing it. I wasn't brought up to be religous so I was therefore never lead down any path to believe in religion, I was left with my own thoughts not that I was looking for answers to questions regarding religion, religion was just a small part of life that gave you a nudge when it came to times of celebration like christmas time and easter and other events enjoyed by christians, I learned just by observation what they believe in, the word God was the most prevalent word used along with goodness and kindness so on the surface of things christians seemed like nice people but the allure was not for me I had a life of fun and adventure ahead of me to be had ( aged 10/11 at the time ) as life's time passed and still non religious I would say to myself as long as I know within myself I am a good person morally then God would accept me when my time comes, and why should I use a physical place of worship when I carry it within myself in a strange way.
Thank you. I have been able to grow as a person. and with that I have been able to explore different non essential aspects of life. That came to my religion. i grew up going to a religious private shcool,. but now I question it. I don't question god, but all the rest of it. That theres are all these rules when the world is so awful. Thank you for being able to put my thoughts into words.
Thank you so much for the thoughtful response!
I am also a deist I personally believe that God instilled his will in us men to fight evil. Some were just corrupted in the journey of fighting that evil, twisted in some form by society and other perils it brings. At least that's why I believe God allows evil.
Great video. Also, your voice is amazing, man.
Good video. I hope you do more. Interesting topic.
Thank you Lawrence, after so much unexpected positive feedback on this topic, I plan on doing another video on the subject soon. Best - Jesse
@@RadioEdwards I subscribed and look forward to it. 👍🤗
Best ans to reject deism that God sent prophet to guide us to path of god
I believe miracles could still occur but yeah it ultimately doesn't matter what I believe. It must come from a sense of humility.
How do you get something out of nuthing
❤ My dear, nice video. I affirm in God as well. And affirm we are here in this short life to be tested. God like a teacher in the classroom, quiet and observant, watching us as we do our exams. .. But as a Deist, I think you are DANGEROUSLY INCOMPLETE AND WILL FAIL THE TEST OF LIFE if you have not reasoned out that if we are given free-will here to be tested, then THERE MUST BE A JUDGEMENT after we die to determine our next destination. And therefore as a result, HOW WE LIVED OUR LIVES IS PARAMOUNT ! There are MORAL LAWS WE MUST ADHERE TO that elevate us above mere animals. And we must adhere to them for the glory of God in order to pass this grand test of life! Never forget that ☝🏽
The second thing for a Deist to be a complete Deist, he or she, must be humble and learn to respond back to God not by just living a moral righteous life, but by Prayer! 🤔 I can't see you being a complete Deists if you show no appreciation and thankgiving to the Almighty God for the "good things" bestowed to you in life. 🤷🏽♂️ .. One thing about the Founding Fathers of the United States, I learnt, is that they all affirmed in the power of prayer. That at SOMETIMES IF GOD IS WILLING, GOD intervenes in our affairs (providence).
In sum, an authentic Deist upholds the self-evident absolute and timeless moral laws to live by. He upholds we will be judged after this life whether we were loyal to God's principles or followed our own animalistic ways. And of course, everyone will be rewarded for all that they do, say, and think. And he will be a person of PRAYER AND THANKSGIVING, and believe that God is not restricted from divine providence. This is very important. ☝🏽
*NEVER FORGER THAT*
🙏🏽 Kind Regards.
My God bless you and keep you. :)
Thank you for the thoughtful comments, but what you or anyone consider to be an "authentic deist" is not up for debate. I'm glad that this interpretation of how the creator works has satisfied your needs, but it doesn't work for me personally. I reject the idea of prayer, judgement, and providence. I also find morality completely subjective in a universe that clearly rewards the survival of the fittest. God could have spared us from our own animalistic ways, but it didn't. That tells me volumes.
@@RadioEdwards - Hmmm 🤔 ... so we can't tell the difference of whether a child should be loved or sexually tortured??? It's up to our subjective animal selves to choose "the right" way??? Let me get this straight - you are saying, there is no universal conscience that tells us it is wrong to torture a child? 🙄
Universal consciousness? If we had universal consciousness then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but we don't, which is why bad people do terrible things to innocent people. I'm not sure universal consciousness wold do the trick either. People in large groups are also known to commit terrible atrocities, so who knows 🙈🙉🙊
@@RadioEdwards - What tells you "people are bad" ?
@@mtalk828 all of world history, current events, and personal experience. Not that I believe all people are bad, but judging us as a whole we are the most dangerous creatures on the planet, and shouldn't be trusted. We tend to crucify things we don't understand en masse.
Iam agnostic deist
I don’t know, three words that should prefix,,’I don’t know’ questions that beg an answer:
I was a Muslim, now I feel comfortable in diesm because it fills the innate gaps that always haunt a person about a creator even if he is not present, I was in one of the worst and most toxic religions ever.. In fact, I see religions in general as nothing but a human creation that depends mainly on intimidation and superstition and is completely illogical.. Now I am trying to get rid of the effects of the toxicity of Islam on me, but it is an exhausting thing
Same I still live with a Muslim family and in an Islamic country
We live in a strange world
God is everything that was, is, and will be. It is what we know and what we don't know. We don't know if God created the universe or if it always existed. We do have a brain and not knowing things allows us to think and make discoveries.
Deism for me, is to be honest to yourself.
For me, Deism is about keeping my mind open to the possibility of a creator or creative force existing. Until a better scientific explanation is found, Deism remains a reasonable, rational hypothesis for the origin of the universe.
I think I’ve experienced miracles or synchronicities in the universe too. Are we in a hologram? Also what does Deism say about sacrifice? People who think we’re sinners, we’ve got laws for that.
You are trying to push deism into your faith. It does not have to make sense according to your beliefs. If it did then it would be your faith.
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I'm 35 and have felt the sane al my life from Christian family but it's written my a man and I don't agree with how things are forced or strongly push on you al religions . This is hiw I felt god is real 100 but he's the creator its up to us to learn whats rite
good shit
Where does the sky end ??? I DON'T KNOW, The truth is when it comes to God nobody knows.....
3:20 I busted out laughing...
Seriously though, deism or something like it is a pretty balanced approach. We can experience God on a personal level while God Himself can remain impersonal. If there is a God at all, everything in life would seem to point to this being the case. Imo anyway.
So many things are impossible for God when it's tied to dogma. If I were a deist, I would say that an Omni-God could set everything in motion with a snap. Everything would be possible from the subatomic level, including abiogenesis. I'm an agnostic atheist who doesn't need any saving, but my concept of God is just so much smarter than the one found at the Ark Encounter.
If GOD WAS REAL HOW CAN A LOVING GOD LET IT GO ON
Thank you for posting. My views are almost largely similar to yours. (I'm still working out my faith.)
I appreciate that Luke, thank you for the comment, and keep working on that! Real answers are hard to find, but they do exist. I recommend listening to Alan Watts lectures on RUclips!
@Luke Dunteman
That’s a great place to be!
Keep an open mind bro...
Interesting!!!
Jesus was co-opted by the Roman Empire. His true messages and teachings are definitely in there. However, a lot of it has HUGE propaganda re-writes and a lot of Pagan gods tied into the mythology of Jesus. What I’ve surmised is that, Jesus was a Jewish man, trying to bring revolutionary change to the Jewish faith, and preaching about how we all have a spark of divinity in us. This then got twisted into Jesus himself being divine, and they mixed in many of their already established pagan myths to deify and mystify him, and removing or decontextualising anything that could give the impression that we, too can do anything we use God’s power that resides in all of us. Instead they want us to fall on our knees and beg for salvation like slaves, or pay a tithe to absolve our sins, making us dependent on them. Things like “original sin”, “Trinitarian doctrine”, The resurrection, and the Virgin Birth are prime examples of the tactics used by The Catholic Church that twist Jesus and his message.
there is no good reason to accept the proposition that a deity exists...
I’m an agnostic atheist who sees no reason to be Deist. What’s the point in believing in a god who has nothing to do with you. Still, I prefer Deists to the religious.
Gives you an explanation for the universe.
Doesnt mean he wants nothing to do with you thats just one interpretation. Just means that God lets things play out by the rules generally speaking. Doesnt dismiss any other notion one may have
Your voice sounds like Nic Cage 😊
I don't know is first step to true wisdom. The Creator caused the Universe to come into being. About 10 billion years after the creation of the Universe, Earth comes into existence. 20 to 30 thousand years ago modern man came into existence. But after the creation of the Universe . The Creator left his creation to the inhabitants of that creation watched to see what would happen. Freewill and the responsibilities that come with it was the Creator's gift to the inhabitants of the Universe. And the church has been trying to take that away since man created the church. But that's just my view of things.
Been going through the same process a few years now, almost seems like blasphemy to say I'm sympathetic to Deism, comforting in a strange way:) Good talk...
A god that doesn't interact with reality in any discernable way is indistinguishable from a god that doesn't exist.
Such a god is unfalsifiable and it is irrational to believe in the truth of any proposition that cannot be falsified.
In your 20s wow, took me 65 year to find Deist in fact the last few days, I had a look at a few religions am like No No No and Deffo No.. and for many years I was a Atheist but still this didn't sit right, something gave us this world even as I type on a plastic K/B and look at a monitor yes man made but from the earth to start with.. by accident I found the word Deist and straight away I thought yes a creator, the Jesus thing, many have been to my door to try convert me and I say but we nailed Jesus to a cross (He died for our sins they reply) I say nail my son to a cross and there is nothing in the whole world would put that right...maybe that is why he looks down and thinks burn in Hell Humans. (If thats all True)
At the end of the day religious people also don’t know
Those who believe, their hearts being at rest in God's remembrance -- surely in God's remembrance are hearts at rest
Verse (13:28).
Listen to the Quran online in Arabic eg RUclips.
It's far superior to the English translation
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” - John 3:16 God bless everyone here. Jesus loves you and died for you on the cross. He did this to wash away the burden of sins, and if you open your heart to Him, He can take away the burden of your sins and give you a peace incomparable to anything in this world. ✝✝🙏
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It isn't a necessary part of being a Deist to believe that God created the world and then stepped back and doesn't intervene in the world. One can be a Deist and believe that God is constantly intervening in the world, including in the form of answering prayers addressed to God.
Not by classical definitions, but its a broad term and not dogmatic.
In the most basic terms, I would have to politely disagree. The definition in the dictionary reads "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe".
On the other hand, you could be right. The beauty of Deism is that we can all have different perspectives in that what has been revealed to you isn't necessarily revealed to others.
@@RadioEdwards Indeed. It is good to be free in truthful rationale
God hasn’t answered one tiny prayer in 15 years. This is what made me a Deist.
Go on, ask God to turn into a blue teddy bear and have a conversation with you tonight about your dying family member with cancer.
Guess what? God won’t do it.
This is nonintervention.
What's wrong with being an Atheist? Why is it that you wanted/needed to be "saved" from Atheism? Your video is great, but saying in your description that you wanted to be "saved from Atheism" is ridiculous.
I probably could have worded that better, but it felt like the most honest way to describe it at the time. I think what I was trying to say is that Atheism just didn't work for me logically, even though that is what was naturally becoming. There's certainly not anything wrong with being an atheist!
Because being an atheist goes against logic
i can prove god with mathematics. i made a presentation and to date zero people have viewed it, even when i tried to give it away.
So you are an agnostic theist, in that you don't know that a god or gods exist but you believe that one does because of the "comfort" that belief brings.
I personally identify as an agnostic atheist in that I don't claim to know that no god or gods exist but I don't believe that they do, because no theist has ever come remotely close to providing sufficient evidence to justify their particular god beliefs, including you.
A contradiction is an impossibility and a miracle is an impossibility that only God makes possible. Do you believe in miracles? I have written on God that would settle the debate between religious people and atheists because both are wrong having arguments to be right because God exists as irrefutably as a mathematical truth and the religious god doesn’t as hatred is not perfect love. If everything needed to be created nothing would exists, therefore God exists. I exist therefore i was created or always existed and the creator was created or always existed, therefore an eternal entity exists. A miracle or impossibility possible is the existence of infinitude. Can a car go at infinite speed, have a painting infinite colours, start a race an eternity ago, have a football pitch infinite space? It is impossible, unless it is God, that can make the impossible possible. God was not created because if God was created i would not exist. If the universe was eternal the universe would be a miracle, God. The universe is an infinitesimal part of infinite God that is everything that ever existed, exists and would exist, the eternal miracle of Life and Death, the origin of the creation because nothing existed before and everything was created after from Self because nothing is created from nothing and nothing is destroyed into nothing unless nothing is something, an impossibility possible or miracle, God that is existence and non existence. Philosophy, logic, rational thinking alone proves the existence of God but humanity choose to ignore, reject the arguments that contradict their vision of reality. God is not an entity separated from the creation as the creation comes from Self. God is the first cause uncaused, the infinite Creator and the finite creation, one Life and multiple lives, same Life and different lives, All reality and fiction, the miraculous Game of Life and Death transforming in time. God is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed alive or dead, when all life die and God die becoming deterministic movement, like growing nails in a corpse, a memory of the past without new minds created in the present because life comes from life, love, union, truth. Humanity is lying to self because don’t understand that we all are in the same and different Boat of Life and Death and the life of any creature is God’s Life past present and future, I am the same and different person than i was yesterday and I would be tomorrow impossibility possible miracle God. Hell and heaven is ourselves for eternity til endless death when all life die and God die becoming a memory of the eternal history of God, like a still picture or growing nails in a corpse. Would you like to know the absolute truth, all eternal reality? Only a fool wouldn’t like to know the truth, even if unpleasant. Would you like all to know all? Only if you are honest. If being yourself for eternity doesn’t scare you you are honest. To die is to resurrect in the past of God to know everything and judge ourselves with perfect justice, perfect knowledge and be rewarded or punished with heavenly or hellish psychology for having lived the Game of Life and Death wisely or foolishly for eternity. All creation and destruction stays in God because God is existence and non existence because nothing existed before and all is created after. Nothing can not exist unless is something, an impossibility possible or miracle, God. The mind is created and not destroyed and the Life of God keeps having lives living in the present and resurrecting in the past.
Interesting how people believe what they want, or what makes sense to them without any facts to support the beliefs or claims.
There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure the truth.
Maya Angelou
@@RadioEdwards - Facts and truth don't have much to do with each other. A fact is something that's indisputable, based on empirical research and quantifiable measures. Facts go beyond theories. They're proven through calculation and experience, or they're something that definitively occurred in the past. Truth is entirely different; it may include fact, but it can also include belief. CHECKMATE!!!
How can the idea of deism have saved you from atheism, when you say that you are hardwired to believe in deities? That makes no sense, also you say that as if atheism would be something bad that people need to be saved from. That notion doesn't sound like something someone who is truly at peace would actually say.
Thanks for the feedback! Please forgive inconsistencies in my absurrd stream of consciousness. There will be many more.
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Great response bro!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
All religion is subjective. Even deism is highly subjective. But hey, it’s okay to think there’s a transcendent entity that created all we see. There’s just no proof other than appeals to teleological arguments. And scripture…which unfortunately doesn’t hold up well to higher criticism, historical objectivity - nor can some folks be inclined to worship a being that asked the founder of this incipient religion to slit the throat of his son. So there’s that. My conclusion? There no certainty. We live. We die. Enjoy it. As best you can. Try to live up to some type of altruism. Who was Jesus? Mohamed? Et al? We. Don’t. Really. Know. Sorry. What you do believe might well be all in your brain. That’s it. And the manipulative narrative of other humans, powers, governments, and individuals. And remember, your views and perspectives on faith can evolve over the years. Me? My self-advocacy and agency are the most treasured gift I have, other than life itself, never to be robbed again by those who live in their curated bubble of confirmation bias, brainwashing, abdication of critical thinking, idiot talk parroting scripture, lack of recognition of the cognitive dissonance at function with faith, and finally the total hubris of thinking your particular house of cards is the correct theology. Have an awesome day. Embrace the moments, the memories and stay hopeful for tomorrow. Look up at the stars. The waves on the ocean. The complexity of nature. Regardless, we are creatures subjected to the awe and wonder and incredible mysteries of existence and out own ability to contemplate it all. If your life involves abuse, pain, or some type of suffering, I am sorry for you. It can be challenging. Stay strong. Be brave. Don’t ever be goaded into not being yourself.
Good start guys.
Now try reading the Quran rather than worshiping or over respecting your ego.
Would you want to reflect the Book has written.
The Bible yes has many problems.
But don't assume that therefore applies to the Quran as well.
Give it a read.
God without religion is just called "theism", dude.
While deism is a form of theism they are not synonymous terms. They have significant distinctions.
@@SicMundus7 I'd have already known what deism is, dude.
I was just talking about how the belief in the existence of god without religion isn't called "deism", because theism by itself was never really a religion, to begin with.
You already have non-religious theists here in the US who aren't really classified as "deists".
So do you understand my point? 🙂
You are not a Deist but a Christian who questions religion. In Deism, there is no plan. No imaginary place called Heaven or Hell and no devil either. You have not witnessed provable miracle but an unexplained event you want to believe is a miracle. You don't have the freedom you speak of as you are still tethered to many fundamental Christian beliefs. At the end of the day agnosticism is the only logical stance as you, I and anyone who as ever lived or will ever life has no damn idea what if anything happens when you die. If you think you do you are only lying to yourself.
Thanks for your comment, that is certainly one way of looking at it, but I disagree. Deism is in the eye of the beholder, a personal revelation that isn't one size fits all.
I just happened upon the term “deism” today and it’s resonating with me pretty hard. I have loads of internal questions that you already touched up on. For example good created everything already and doesn’t interfere BUT there are some miracles that seem to occur. Who’s to say that “miracle” wasn’t already created and put there in the first place and there was no intervention from god? Idk, a really great topic and you talked about it really well. You’ve got my subscription 👍🏼
Thanks for the kind words Zenemia, and welcome!
I have the same trouble shaking off Christianity. I still struggle with it, almost KNOWING it has to be fable...there's much wisdom to be found in the Abrahamic religions, but ultimately it's not enough, not believable enough.
Do you believe in our immortal souls? Have you watched any NDEs? Aren't those testimonials the closest we can come to knowing? Many are very similar.
Yes! I've actually been thinking about talking about that more, those videos are fascinating.
amazing