Fast as a 500cc on a CBT? - Electric Motorcycles Laws!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- It is as fast as a 500cc A2 motorcycle but you can ride it on a CBT?...Yes that is the case with electric motorcycles. After reviewing the Zero FXS 11Kw (CBT Legal). I read a lot of comments across the videos that had some good questions, In this video I try to answer or give my thoughts on those questions raised.
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It's legal because the people making laws don't know shit. That's why.
Update/Addon: but it's ok. I'm certainly not into restrictions.
YEAH FUCK RESTRICTIONS😂😂😂👈💯👍👍👍
My neighbor has a zero but we haven't really crossed paths. I am going to walk up there one of these days and introduce myself. I would love to get his thoughts on his ride. Great video and amazing channel!
Its stupid. So people who have a A2 can't have more then 47bhp.. even though they have done a module 1 and 2! Then has to do it all again after the 2 years to get full power!
But a 17 year old can have this what should at least be on a A1 or a2 list!
Yeah yeah I know electric is greener but who cares! People at 17 can get a car test and get any car they want. Despite the power.. but Noooo not for bikes!! You have to do it bit by bit... yeah I smell money making!
Well 8 tests just to get a full license seems insane. I would do CBT then theory test then mod1 mod2 for full moped test (at 16) then mod1 mod2 A1 (at 17) then mod1 mod2 A2 (at 19) then mod1 mod2 A license (at 21) got that wrong it's 10 tests
I passed my CBT and picked up a Zero S 14.4 11kW for
@Dangerous Dave Second year was about £900 but I moved house, changed mileage and made modifications so it would have been lower.
@Dangerous Dave I didn't have a combustion bike to compare it to, so that's just how it is for me in my situation with this bike. I think I got my car insurance down to about the same until I upgraded from my Nissan Leaf and that's up too sadly.
@Dangerous Dave I passed my CBT in 2019, I had a claim on my car policy and only hit 25 this year, plus the value of the bike, it's all working against me.
@Dangerous Dave I got my full A licence less than a month ago actually, it will hopefully improve them price for next year but there's no discount for the current policy.
Basically the same journey as Aaron, same bike, starting off on custom mode with restricted torque etc, and ramping it up as I got more confident. I honestly think they're brilliant for learners because twist and go places a far lower cognitive demand on the new rider.
Sense isn’t common anymore, the same as practical ability and being able to do tasks independently
That's 11kw constantly, however the peak power can be much more
The second thing is that the electric ones have much more torque
We are talking about ~100nm something like a 1000cc bike
@@davygeurtsen6305 hi man
You are wrong
A 125 bike is not more than 10-12nm of max torque
A zero is constantly around 100nm
So 10 times more at any given time
I must say I'm finding your videos of discussion topics while calmly riding around to be incredibly therapeutic and relaxing, for some reason. Well-researched and informed, too.
Thank you!
In my opinion right now electric bikes are rich people toys.. and tbh in my opinion also, whats the point of someone with a A1 or A2 license to get an electric bike? For more torque?
Because honestly the way i see it is, you pay for the Zero FXS 11kw, 11k for the base model, if you want the fast charger with it, it will cost you 12k, and if you talking the A2 models 😂 dude there starting price is £15,490 thats for a base model and then if you want the power tank or charge tank, the power tank puts it up to £18,490 and charge tank puts it up too £17,790, which is ridiculous just for something to go around city streets on.. and then if you want the fast charger.. with charge tank as well you talking £18,490 and with power tank its £19,192 thats close to 20k.. with that money i could buy my self a ZX10R..., yes it low maintenance, but the insurance is very pricey.. and then on top of that there is hardly any power stations anywhere and if you lucky to find one you better pray it works.. so tbh really you ain’t going anywhere far on it.. if you do you gonna have range anxiety like crazy when it gets below 50%.
And if you buying it just to do city commuting tbh thats just fucking retarded.. sorry but why would you spend 11 or 12k on the A1 model or 15k to 19k on the A2 models, when you can spend £4,500 on a Kawasaki ninja 125cc or a Yamaha R125 or whatever it is and do city commuting on that.. you would have saved a lot of money.. yes you have maintenance and insurance to pay.. but you wont have range anxiety and you can go on long road trips and do so much more.. electric bikes are deffo the future like electric cars.. and everything else thats coming away from fossil fuels.. but right now i think its way to early for anyone to be buying them unless they have the money to waste... and this is why i think right now electric bikes are rich people toys.. 👍🏻
Makes me wonder if they will bring in new laws when they become more affordable.
Definitely people used too ride a 250cc on L plates till the rd250LC. 50cc (60mph) moped fs1E And de-restricted 100mph 125cc 2 strokes. Then Mopeds got limited to 30mph Learner 125cc 12hp. Later rose to 15hp
Only if early cbt riders ruin it for future cbt riders by drawing attention to themselves through death and stupidity.
Unlikely as quick overtaking is safer overtaking
And regarding cbt, why not put limit on the bike for example 0-60 10 seconds, that would make sense for new riders.
No one which is around 17+ will be able to afford a zero
In america u can get any bike at 16, HOWEVER this doesn't mean that you gonna get straight away a 1000cc
It's the same as car, a small car for beginning
I got enough of my r125 literally in just a month and I wanted a bigger bike (still want but just the money lol)
Bet it costs another £10k too insure at 17 years old.
My 125 Michigan does 0 - 60 in about .... 3 days give or take. You want more without spending 10 grand, take the test and get a bigger bike. But do keep the Michigan because it's a damn fine enjoyable bike to have as well. There's no rule saying there can only be one unless you are Connor MacLeod.
Its not safety for pedestrians
That you drive and talking at the same time.
Your mind must be focused on driving, not on record stories about... bla bla bla
Thanks
Ok well this is my job and I think people talk to each other I'm cars, so I think its fine, Toodle pip. P.s liking your own comments dosn't make you right.
- “Somebody put vaccine in there body, it doesn’t mean that we have to repeat it.”
Of course
Some of the people have printer 🖨 in there head, that can make copies only.
But other part of humans has computer in side of there head. And they use there brain, which is really good.
Don’t copy stupid thinks brother.
Thats whole I tried to say.
Thank you for understanding
Be safe
you should review the ninja 125
I would switch to an 11kw 125 legal cruiser style bike, I'm in my early 30's and don't really see a need to speed arround, my honda shadow 125 is ok for our roads but as mentioned it can be sluggish, with the added boost of instant power instead of gradually building I believe this would be a good step forward for us NOT 17 year olds
ssshhh, don't go on about it, in case someone notices
Haha I wish I had that big a voice in motorcycling
Interesting perspective on this, I for one like the idea of electric bikes/vehicles for the performance they can provide rather then the environmental aspects, I think the date of when all petrol vehicles are outlawed may be extended if there isn't a good enough outlet for competitive ev's/hybrids, or there isn't enough infrastructure to make it easy to use, and the way electricity is produced needs to be heavily revised to be cleaner so it justifies making the move to ev's.
Side note it may be legal to ride that Zero on a CBT, but considering the output that bike makes and how much it costs, insurances companies i think will make it not at all easy for a 17 year old to be insured on it, probably at great expense, but then if they can spend 20k on a CBT bike they could probably fork out for the insurance if they could find a company that let them.
Keep the great food for thought videos going thanks spicy 👍
Not sure I see electric cars as the future, but I can definitely see electric bikes being very popular. Id certainly try one, the 125s are very impressive, and for most shorter journeys would be ideal.
Try Macrais Z8X
I did two years as an electric traction motor apprentice, during the early 1980's, before retraining for a career in electronic engineering. What you stated is a very common mistake made when attempting to compare electric traction motors with internal combustion engines.
11 Kilowatts is the PEAK LOAD INPUT ENERGY CONSUMPTION of the motor, NOT it's output. It's like saying that a CBR 125 has a peak power output of 50 miles per gallon!! You'd have to be at full throttle into a headwind with a land whale pillion travelling up a 1:6 hill to have the electric bike's motor pulling 11 kilowatts of input load power. Obviously the batteries would soon drain.
If you dynoed the bike it would be producing less than 11 kilowatts / 15 HP at the rear wheel, so still CBT legal.
Electric motor power outputs are rated in peak torque @ RPM (or rarely HP @ RPM) and peak load power consumption. I used to spend all day building & brake dyno testing (on an old school Thomas Salter brake dyno with scales) new DC traction motors that were 22 HP @ 2,000 RPM (57.772 Pounds / Foot of torque) with peak load power consumption of 48 Volts @ 54 Amps, for the Battery Electrical Traction Engine Company. They supplied Lansing & Bagnal. The motors were the size of a 125cc 2 stroke, dual field with booster field coils and I'd love to have one today to stick into a motorcycle frame.
11Kw could well be the peak output power of the motor but not it's continuous rating. It could be drawing more energy than 11KW, hence why the battery derated itself when he tried to max it uphill. The motors aren't rated on their energy input in this case.
And that my friend is your answer
I ride an ebike when I commute, costs me about 4p a trip haha. I maintain it myself. Don’t need insurance or tax and I get to stay off the roads away from the terrible driving on the commute. Love it. Especially in summer. It’s a Pedelec one, so no license required as only goes to 15.5 mph. But you can ride it is shorts or jeans and if you have somewhere safe to lock it up, it can save you a good amount of money 👍🏻
Im 62 and fit stll,what pizzes me off is i had a Honda 200 when i was 17 on L plates,in my life time i also got my car,HGV and Bus Licences,all ican have now without a CBT is a Moped that does 28 mph max without L plates and this is whats wrong,they say you never forget how to ride a bike i agree.
So i can ride any size Quad on my car licence and not wear a helmet,which i hire Abroad but must wear a helmet there i had a 400cc Quad last holiday in Cyprus for 12 days,and had many smaller ones each holiday before that,ive driven millions of miles as a job in my past buy WTF they chucked away grandad rights we are not kids some of us older people just want what we coulnd have when younger because we had a family later,
But long story short fck CBT and full bike licence,when you see e-scooters with modded cogs speeding down cycle lanes and 12 year olds on them i may as well join them.
First Moped was Yamaha FS1 E .then my Honda 200,could of had up to a 250cc on L's but we got stripped and nerfed to fart boxes througout the years.
And now we have the electric bike your talking about thats not a CBT requirement lol.
Oh! and who wants a motorbike that makes no noise and dosnt vibrate between their legs,and dont smell of fuel?
You should know by now Spicy, some folks look at the video title and make a decision, usually the wrong one, on a good day they might watch a bit of it beforehand.
Zero is just using a loophole in law . Many companies like Supersoco , Kollter , etc are making 50cc 125cc bikes and mopeds which comparable in Torque not HP to a 50cc or 125cc and are being bashed bashed people who know the power limit . The thing is , the law has to be changed only for electric cause Hp is is not what moves you forward i'ts actually the torque .for all vehicles EV or iCE , HP is just a byproduct .
Eectric motor design must change and i'ts very easy to design high rmp low torque motor . The easiest way is just reduce magnet width used . or go with asynchronous motors but till then . 11kw /14hp continious is 125 eqivalent even with crazy 100Nm of torque . If it can't sustain that for 30 minutes , and needs to fall back to 11kw/14, that is the rating .
Oh and by the way 11kw output is the same power. You can have a engine that produces 11kw over 3krpm and sustain a good power curve through to redline and still cbt legal, electric power curve is much more controlled but it is still 11kw and it still conforms to EU regulation. This idea that it goes gaster is bogus it is still 11kw
The reason for the CBT back when it began was to stop youngsters getting on a bike and killing themselves. The reality will become if the said CBT rider gets on one and these people cause injury to themselves or others. That's all it is nothing more nothing less however, today the test is all about conforming to EU harmonisation. The UK license has been reformed over recent years to meet EU regulation so it allows the UK license to fit in with riding in EU states.
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Don't tempt providence. Just hope the transport minister doesn't see this. Naughty boy, let sleeping dogs lie and remove this video lest he views it.
17 year old could drive any size of car if they pass their test I don't think its that much of a problem
You can do cbt at 16 and now a days with all this social media and how easy it is to have a insta or RUclips channel an become an influencer at that age there more and more kids earning serious money
My dad's mountain bike has a electric motor it does 48mph. Way faster than a 50cc 4stroke.
My friends pedal bike was faster than my 50cc 2 stroke
@Spicy110... I think what you are trying to explain is that the Legalities in regards to power is that... Power... HOWEVER... Torque is the factor for acceleration... So 125cc Petrol motors have torque up in the revs, the electric bikes have torque from get go. Soooooo... SHOULD the industry/regulation bodies bring in rules for torque for electric bikes??? 🤔🤔🤔😎
Perhaps they might restrict torque so it is more inline with petrol engine performance that may also improve battery life.
The law's on the CBT are stupid enough. 50cc top speed 28mph! 15bhp on a 125cc . Maximum bhp on a CBT should be at least 18-20bhp. I'd feel safer with a bit more power.
I got rid of my 125cc after about a month it was way to slow for dual carriageways even worse with a headwind
Awesome camera angle. I haven't seen your videos in a while. Been busy with work
Welcome back!
@@spicy110 cheers nice to see your doing well. And your not too far away from 100k subs now 😁
I started riding at 23 and did DAS at 24. Being stuck on a 125 for a year was painful.
It's not just the 'power' - a petrol (or other internal combustion engine) has the peak torque at the upper end of the revs (3/4 of redline to 'at redline', depending on the implementation details). An electric motor has peak torque at 0 RPM. Indeed, an electric motor of any oomph will need some 'soft start' control to prevent from melting the cables (either software, or hardware, depending on the type of motor and drive - software based for the brushless ones used in electric bikes / motorbikes). So, relative to internal combustion, an electric bike will fly at lower speeds (as you noted), but struggle at the higher speed (less torque at near max speed).
I think that it would not be silly to have a peak torque limit for CBT/A1 class machines, _if_ one wanted to have an evenly applied limit. That would, pretty directly, limit the lower speed performance of an electric bike, if it ever became felt that the higher acceleration was causing undue risks for new riders.
Been considering an electric, as a commuting machine. The commute in question is comfortable within range, plus the (usually) lower weight would make stashing it in the shed when not is use. Of course, right now, not commuting at all, so going to wait for a bit before looking more at that.
EDIT: Wrote the above before the end of the video. I would note that even if 'fossil fuels' ran out, it's perfectly possible to produce a liquid hydrocarbon fuel that could work for an internal combustion engine. Alcohol fuels are 'simple', but inefficient energetically for internal combustion (at least, as it stands); diesel is straightforward and more efficient via the Fischer-Tropsch process. If a good, long term stable for intermittent use fuel cell (direct production of electiciity, no moving parts) could be found, that makes alcohol fuels a lot more attractive for a hybrid type vehicle.
i'm pretty sure Spicy found the throttle was soft start when he reviewed it, at least from a standstill
Is 60mph a whole lot of speed for a new cbt rider?
I'll have wail till salvage one come able and hack one together.
Seen a few zero tiny car builds from crashed bikes
More fact full videos
Q so what will happen to all those bike ppl have got come 2030ish will they still be able to get petrol?
Stay safe never doubt the cagers
A, Yes, they are only stopping the sale of ICE vehicles. All the ones that still around will still be allowed on the roads. The big question is just how much that fuel will cost at that point.
Thanks for your full explanation. It would be nice to know as you say whether 'the powers that be' either didn't realise the torque these electric machines produced or perhaps did and used it to incentivize us - remember the initially low propane tax on vehicles? Is there a legislator/civil servant out there amongst your audience that could enlighten us?
As you say, insurance premiums manage this for now (they're based on more than just power such as new price, parts cost, nickability) but it'll be a funny old world when eventually all vehicles are electric and riders (and drivers) are fast-accelerating, and perhaps crashing, like nobody's business!
I think people are already struggling with the speed of modern vehicles my first car had 45hp and 145 tyres now everything has over 100hp (even a 1.6 ford focus) now people can't even beat a van away from the lights in a 1990's sports car. When we can all go 0-60 in 4 seconds it won't end well
Don’t get involved in battles with keyboard warriors. Makes for rubbish content.
wait so this can be used by 16 year olds? i thought cbt legal bikes have to be 28mph or less
No 17yr olds can, it is a 125cc equivalent.
The law is no more new petrol/diesel or hybrid vehicles, electric only.
Not untill 2050
0-60 times would be a better thing to restrict. That would cater for petrol, electric, nuclear... anything 😅
A massive positive of electric bikes, especially amongst 17yos, is the noise. I swear most 125s on the road are twice as loud as my 800cc bike 😂
Haha one of the loudest bike I have heard on the road was a ktm 125cc with a strait exhaust, it didn't sound good it was just loud! I think the reason larger bikes sound quieter even with a performance exhaust it they are never truly strait pipes like the 125s and the overall sound is much lower.
@@spicy110 Yes, I purposely chose the word 'noise' for that reason 😅
Still, they're enjoying themselves!
Haters gonna hate. Keep up good work.
With electric 125 performance like that, I could see people not bothering to go through the hassle and expense of obtaining a full license!
Still need those pesky 7"×7" L plates flaping around.and no passengers. Also the CBT expires after 2 years
@Dangerous Dave I took out a BMW s1000xr what a bike. Like a bloody rocket. and high up and comfortable I loved it.
Torque and v boost and about 148bhp is why the old full power vmax 1200 1987 is still one of the best down the drag strip. The bottom line is the torque is going to try and kill that 17 year old. Look up vmax vs busa ect see which one wins. You will need a kwikasfuki h2 to do the vmax. And thats if the h2 can keep the front planted. In addition there is no launch control wheel control abs or tc on the old beast its all rider.
Regarding battery packs like the Tesla ones. If the battery pack fails, it’s not the whole pack, it’s normally caused by one or two cells. If they make the packs easier to brake down so individual cells could be swapped, that could save thousands on getting a whole new pack. Charging things like bike isn’t that bad on a “granny charger” just leave it overnight. Quick charging is better if you spike charge caps that then discharge the batteries slower but you need a pack of caps to do that.
To be honest, I think the fact that CBT bikes are limited on power, power-to-weight and capacity ends up with a load of seriously compromised bikes -- and leads to the mentality of smaller bike = learner bike. It's the standard legislation by newspaper headline.
But if you think vehicle laws are a mess of stupid patches, have a look at any other part of the legal system.
Just goes to show that the powers that be care more about scoring points with the environmentalists, than they do for people’s safety... They need to be restricted, there’ll be a lot of younger riders seriously injured or worse on these machines, it’s just ridiculous.
hey there, great video, but I couldn't believe the audio was so, well.. AUDIBLE. I can't hear myself think when I'm on my bike. Tell us a bit about your helmet and audio set up. I'm fascinated :-) thanks, Mark
Still amazes me that a 15hp 125cc will do 80 but my 75hp 700 only tops out at 129mph. wind resistance isn't a kind thing to us fat people lol
im all for electric vehicles, but, and this is a big but, i like to hear a bike coming,, i ride bikes for fun and drive a car for practicality, if im driving my car and i hear a bike i pull in to let them pass if i can see its safe, electric bikes are silent and very quick and i very nearly caused an accident because i didnt hear someone on an electric bike. i caught up to the rider a little later at the raven in whitchurch, and he said it wasnt the first time it had happened that day where he had nearly ate shit purely because someone hadnt heard him coming. theres a place for electric vehicles, there really is, but safety systems need to be in place before electric motorcycles are rolled out en-mass, and i personally dont think the infrastrcuture in the uk is geared up for it
Interestingly I thought they were silent and they are at very low speeds but I was talking to a friend and he said....silent? Not really you can totally hear that bike coming. I assume this is mostly motor whining and tyre roar.
@@spicy110 depends how loud one has their stereo on in the car as to whether you'd be heard 🤣🤣 they are a great idea, and I really am for any green/emission free transport, but there just seems to be something about electric motorcycles I don't like
The reason they did it is because the way electric bikes work they can have short term peak outputs much higher than what they can sustain for longer durations. You could have a bike that really does put out just 11kW most of the time (the Zero puts out a lot more) but it could peak over a few seconds with a full charge at say 13kW. Performance wise that wouldn't benefit the bike much but it would result in it not being A1 legal and it would mean the manufacturer would have to spend more effort (and perhaps money) on ensuring it limits itself at exactly 11kW. Basically, the rules are the way they are to cut electric bike some slack, Zero took advantage of that and pushed it a bit further.
Regarding the top speed of the 11kW Zeros, it's an artificial limit. They have the same power as the American spec bikes and could reach the same 98mph that they do (potentially even more) if the limit was raised. I believe the reason for the limit is the continuous power output testing being down at a certain percentage of the top speed, low the top speed and you lower that testing speed and in turn the power required and measured.
If you're thinking of doing a video on chinese 125's do you think you could get your hands on a Zontes Javelin 125? There is literally NOTHING online about the bike and it's a ripper, got it a couple weeks back for my first.
Dude this thing sounds sick and I've been thinking about doing my CBT and honestly I've been thinking ev bike would be ideal
👍 great review btw...
All you have to do is read zero motorbike website and it tells you there's 2 versions of this bike fairly straightforward, but I will contact zero direct to see what the other bikes power is as 'peak' of 30 is listed only.
Engines and motors are world's spart., As long as it fits the dvsa or EU spec who the hell cares, chose your weapon.
The only downside is you 'could' if inexperienced have a major accident, but that's down to the person who's in control, not the machine although this fxs and s could probably do with some kind of traction control ..
Edit>> the global elites/government whatever will force the change away from oil.
Excelent video. I'm not overly concerned about the grid coping. It manages Christmas day when nearly every house has the oven on for turkey so overnight charging i don't think will be an issue. It'll just mean the grid pumping out the same at night as it does during the day. Theres already been discussion for electric cars with this and apparently wind farm growth will out accelerate electric vehicle purchase so it shouldn't be a problem. 👍 On another note now my work has charging stations I'm sorely tempted to just do my CBT and get one. I'm a 40 something and never bothered doing my full test but have had a CBT before and got a scooter. The Zero looks far more tempting for my 40 mile each way commute.
Hi glad to see you are still doing this I've not looked for a while. I would love one of those electric bikes. A couple of years ago I done my cbt (39) passed and bought a Yamaha wr r. I hated it so slow and felt big and heavy so sold it . Still wanting to ride bought a 125 mt straight away felt much better. Still tho been a new rider no gear indicator and amount of traffic took away enjoyment. Approaching roundabouts makinking sure in right gear whilst trying to watch for cars undertaking me . Hopefully tech will get cheaper soon fxs would be great fun.
Good video as usual, just a point on 50cc and 125's, is that with the upcoming euro 5?, a lot of chinese companies won't be bothered and go electric, ie lexmoto cyfer . from Downunder.
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You are in my neck of the woods.
Nice to see it from a riders point of view.
I am 47 and really considering an electric motorcycle.
I’ve no bike license tho but have had CBTs.
So one of those bikes you’ve described is perfect for me.
Wonder how much they are to buy, insure and general running costs.
Is a 1000w Electric dirt bike fast because I was thinking about getting one
Get your logic for sure no prob's my issue which is not really related to your point is batteries are forever getting smaller ,they last and hold charge ok for a limited time so really I kind of think they have a life of a few years I also reckon a different method of power for engines will come along . :)
Have you seen Zero give an estimation of 200k miles from a battery pack and you would still retain 80% of the capacity. Most bikes never get past 80-90k. I really don't think battery longevity is the issue.
@@spicy110 Hi yes true but any modern battery at the moment loses efficiency after say 2/3 yrs so by my reckoning after say 5 yrs you might be looking at a 50% drop in efficiency .That without taking into account the amount of charging points you would need say on a motorway for trucks and cars alike . :)
@@crumblymal8479 The battery cells used in a Zero are very different to the battery in something like a phone. Like Spicy said it's rated to a certain mileage (I think it's actually 125/250k miles depending on capacity) and has a 5 year unlimited mile warranty. If at the end of those 5 years you're not getting 80% capacity out of it Zero will replace it for free and if you're lucky you might even get a capacity increase over what it had originally.
Electric means instant and continous torque where with a combustion engine it's nowhere near instant nor continous. You have to rev it up to a certain band where the torque increase. On top of this comes the fact as you point out that it's measured differently on the 125cc petrol bike compared to the 11kW electric bike.
What a brilliant video, hadn't thought about the learner side of it and the possible licence changes. When I tested the livewire recently I commented on whether there would be different tests available like the car world where riders can take an auto/electric only test?
Thanks for another great video!
I live in Spain but am obsessed with your videos as the level of information & dedication you put into these videos is invaluable.
I am looking at getting my first electric motorcycle, as an ex rugby/football/basketball player, I'm 1,91cm and 148kg, I'm definitely struggling finding something that can accommodate my stature.
I love your videos, even though you're on a bike, they are rather therapeutic, clear to understand, informative, educational & exciting to watch/listen too. Really makes one think about rules/laws/theory of driving a Motorcycle in general so thank you.
The first ever video I happen to find you was when you were riding the Supersoco TC Max 125cc. I thought it was actually a nice bike and was even considering it as one point, now I'm struggling to find a motorcycle that can take my weight, won't make me look stupid from a size point of view without breaking the bank.
I do want to start with a 125cc as this is my first motorcycle and definitely want it to be electrically powered.
Just wanted to express how much we all appreciate your videos, your effort into making them & the amount of information you help give us by watching them. It definitely is evident that you live what you do, you're good at it & you wish others to join you in being safe, well informed & well equipped for the journeys they may take.
Thanks! Best regards from Spain!
*Even if I didn't agree with a certain point you made, there are ways in expressing ones self & ones opinions in a well educated & well mannered way.
"I wouldn't want you to be "wiped of the surface of the earth" haha 🤣
What you said about riding schools made me think, I did my cbt training on a 110cc scooter, I told them I was buying a manual and they said, “no no, it’ll be fine, the only real difference is that the rear brake is a clutch and in front of your left foot is the gear lever.” I had a particularly interesting time training to use my bike when it arrived.
Man I'm so glad I'll have my mod 2 over and done with soon. Then I'll never have to worry about BS CBT's again.
Electric Gutt Shot
Common sense is surprisingly uncommon. Because 10% of people think. 10% of people think they think. And 80% of people would rather die than think.
I think you’re in the first 10%. But can you trust my opinion on that without knowing where I fall on the spectrum?
nope! This is the problem with online haha but because you gave a complement that would butter many peoples prospective. 😉
Ten grand for a learner legal 😯 for ten large I could do another CBT, buy a really nice petrol 125 for about two or three grand, get a passport, have 10 days in Barbados, get my teeth fixed and have my eyes lasered lmao 😅
less depreciation on the electric bike though
It's all about Efficiency 85-95% electric v 15 -30% petrol 😉.
I wonder what Tesla would make of his AC Electric motor also known as brushless DC, owing to the fact that the DC battery is actually switched to produce a kind of AC.
I would have loved to have seen him on an Electric Motorbike 😊👍
I would also love to see Spicy and Reno doing a revue of a Toyota Prius especially on a very snowy,ice,y day and howling a gale.😉😊 an older gen2 or gen3.
By the way I do still love Motorbikes but my body is getting too worn out (62) to enjoy riding in snow and ice anymore.🥶🥶🥶🥶
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I have just watched the video to the end and noticed the advertisement for a Polestar 100% electric car and it was funny😂🤣the young man said do you wanna try my Motorbike and the young lady replied you wanna try my car.
RUclips analytics getting things right for once.👍
Very informative video buddy. Keep them coming 👍👍✊✊
9:52 I'm sure you looked left if you needed to with this diversion but watching it back I'm thinking - Woah sail on by ! ;)
Depends if workers r coming lol anything could of come lol
is it not some thing whit torque..electric har werry much torque..what I understan so is torque the power to turn around the wheel..and hp is the speed to turn the wheel..have right or?
Horsepower is a made up figure. It's calculated from torque X rpm
Honestly these electric bikes have made me consider getting a bike again as a runaround. Quite like the look of the super soco TC max, far cheaper and reasonable to insure due to having a more equivalent power to a petrol 125. Would be good if you could get a review on one
I only think about getting wet, getting all the gear on, cars knocking me off. And bike getting stolen. And not being able to carry large items or take my family with me.
Nice to see you covering the limits mate, great video and explanations. Bike is looking and sounding good
I looked at one of the 11Kw models at a bike show last year. I was curious and asked the salesman if it was possible to put it to 'full power' once the appropriate license had been achieved, thinking it was a software restriction. Turns out it can't be done as it is actually a different, smaller motor that is in the CBT friendly models so if you want full power you have to sell and buy, rather than getting it derestricted at the dealer
Not true, it's the same motor and has the same performance (other than top speed) as the "unrestricted" American spec bikes. It's not really an 11kW bike, that just the power it puts out under a specific testing procedure. It's the same as if gas bikes were rated not by peak horsepower but rather whatever they put out at 30mph in 3rd gear for example.
Australian lams bike laws seem better in this case
How about complaining about Teslas being so quick too...
What has a tesla got to do with the uk cbt motorcycle license?
@@spicy110 A family car that's quicker than a Lambo, and still people seem to be able to drive it safely.
Arrr I see what you are saying, the cbt is not a full licence like the car licence though. Like if you want a large cc bike you need a full licence not a CBT.
@@spicy110 Ah, ok, a bit different from here then.
Very interesting questions posed here Spicy, looking forward to see how things develop over time
Your so right Spicy :-) Iam 63 and was thinking about getting a Zero on a CBT...You can get pedal bikes with batteries that can go really fast and you don't need a CBT either, lol
Yeah but you should get training...ask Simon Cowell 😜
Not sure of the laws there, but fast e-bikes are normally illegal and if you get caught it's the same as if you were riding an unlicensed, uninsured motorbike.
@@stewartnorton6386 I rode bikes in my 20's on L-plates for yrs on a Yamaha 250 on and off road, have plenty of experience 😊
@@coast2coast00 In the UK you have to be over 14 and the bike cannot go over 15.5 mph.
@@coast2coast00 You can ride them offroad on private land...There is a guy on RUclips Andy Kirby, that has taken E-bikes alot further, lol
Booked my CBT today for the 16th any advice also I have already seen all the videos for new riders
Can you already ride the bike (pull away/manoeuvre)
Chris Hart yes I’ve been riding since I was 10
@@levipye855 awesome should be easy. You have nothing too worry about. Even if you never rode a bike before they would still get you passed. It's not really a test it's just guidance as as long as the guy or girl you are going round with thinks you're not going to kill yourself out on your own it will be fine.
Chris Hart wonderful
Really enjoying the channel Spicy. It’s got me totally hooked on bikes and I’m enjoying learning the craft on my MSX125. Longer term I really love the look of the Triumph Scrambler, have you rode one before?
i still think hydrogen powered motorcycle is going to be the way to go
RUMI!!!!!