Motorcycle crashes: Which skill or strategy breaks the chain?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- There is rarely a single cause of any motorcycle crash. Often it is the things we do before we go on the fateful ride that will determine if we have a story to tell or bills to pay.
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Most people need to slow down and pay attention 😂
Nailed it rite there!
So true! I agree. Granted I'm a newer rider but since my first accident increasing these two things and being proactive with safety concepts such as lane positioning have pretty much eliminated those close calls I had in the beginning.
If you are riding a motorcycle or driving an 18 wheeler and you travel at a safe following Distance you will create Road Rage with some Idiots.. It will make them livid to see that unused spot in front of you.
What a Sad state of total lack of common sense we live in.
If you ride a Motorcycle at the Speed limit you are going to have cars pull in front of you. If you ride Double the Speed limit they will not see you half of the time and constantly pull in front of you. Plus cars change lanes into you ect.
You have to be anticipating idiot moves from cars every second you are moving and beware of them ramming you from behind at normal speeds or when stopped.
Well stated happen to me twice just yesterday! My anticipation and going the speed limit saved me!
Well said I got brutally pulled out on twice just today
U have to expect it
Great video Kevin.
I was riding to a gig yesterday, about 65 miles one way, around sunrise, and sure enough there was a deer crossing the road in front of me. I didn't come close to hitting the deer because 1) I wasn't ripping and roaring excessively. 2) I was paying attention and slowing down when visibility was restricted by trees, hills, or fog..3) I was expecting deer because it was a rural area at sunrise and 4) because I saw one deer and slowed down expecting more, the second deer was absolutely no threat to me. 5) because of the first 3 actions the first deer was no threat to me either.
Riding into a sunrise in patchy fog on a twisty road in a rural area is no time for shenanigans. What made it even worse was when the windshield would suddenly fog up on the outside in a clear area, with the sun in my eyes. Definitely not ideal conditions for a ride, and pretty much ideal conditions for potential trouble. Road strategy number one: SLOW DOWN
After 10k miles of defensive in town riding and fun back road riding I have not had an oopsies just by being cautious of intersections and not following to close to other vehicles. Only been riding for a year so fingers crossed it continues.
Kevin, thanks and there's no question in my mind that keeping the saw sharp(practice) and wearing gear will mitigate the risks.
One thing I don't often hear mentioned about being a link in the chain is the mechanical condition of your motorcycle. If you have poor/under/over inflated tires, worn brakes, loose chain, etc.. then you're setting yourself up for failure.
Fellow riders, please keep your bike(s) in good running condition.
As always great information Kevin. I've commeted this before but.. I started riding at 46 years old and spent a full year reviewing your videos before ever getting on a bike. I credit you a great deal for making me a more observant and prepared rider. Your ongoing videos remind me that despite logging ~40K miles in the last 5 years you can never practice too much or be too prepared. Keep up the great work, you ARE saving lives!
I can say that in about 40 years a riding I have never wrecked a motorcycle. One of the things I don't do is ride in cities, after dark (those pesky deer here in Michigan) for if I've been drinking. I enjoy my riding in the country during daylight hours and when sober. I think this reduces my chances of a having a wreck by more than 50% but I really don't have any stats to back that up. Keep the good stuff coming.
I ride as a delivery driver in tue middle of the city and still no major hits
Night time is less dangerous than peak hour or school pickup time
@@bigtreecombatacademy2927 In the city I agree that night is less dangerous than day because there are no deer, or at least not so many.The reason I don't ride at night in the country is because of the great number of deer in Michigan. I don't know where you live but maybe there aren't as many deer.
@@johnnylightning1491 I’m in Australia so no deer but where my mum lives there are lots of Roos that are a similar danger , best time is around the middle of the day when they all sleeping
I had a pretty nasty crash in sept of 2018 and the self critique of my riding skills during my recovery that led me to this channel. I had been riding on the streets since the 80’s and had become complacent in my skills and strategies. Thank you for the work you do
I've only crashed once. It was within the first month or two of me buying my first bike. I got target fixation in a curve and ran off the road. Lowsided. Like an idiot, I was trying to teach myself to ride. I healed up, then took the MSF BRC, bought another bike, and haven't gone down since. Training makes a real difference.
Rarely are Motorcycle Accidents the result of a single error!! That is such a powerful statement that is so true. The single error accidents are truly the rare exception. In my control that is what you can work on (Road Skills and Road Strategy)! Remember some skills are perishable, keep them fresh!
Too often riders blame the other party and not themselves. Great video!
What we learned in the msf course was that most accidents are cause by speeding, alcohol, or some combination of the two. Those who choose to ride without a helmet are also four times more likely to die in an accident. I've almost been hit by other riders trying to weave through traffic doing 100 mph plus. You have to own whatever level of risk you take and realize the potential consequences.
Speeding is an obvious one, leading to high-energy serious accidents. We don't really have a lot of alcohol-related MC accidents in Norway due in part to severe consequences for getting caught DUI, and also a lot of public awareness around the issue.
What my instructors harped on during our mandatory extended safety course was driver awareness, especially of other drivers that just don't see that you're there. I'm constantly aware of any car/bicycle/pedestrian that is physically capable of interfering with my driving in any way (including the ones behind you), it's a skill that needs to be internalized. I literally don't have a count of the times this has saved me from a crash or hairy situation, and after a while it's completely automatic on my part.
@@maneatingduck well said
Road awareness and anticipating other drivers will save ur life more than nearly anything else
Thank you for sharing your experience Kevin. Hope you and your family have a blessed weekend. Please continue to pray for my wife and she still is on life-support.
So sorry David, praying for her now.
Thanks Kevin, I love how frank and honest you are. Your videos and advice make all of us better riders. Maybe you could do a video explaining strategy when you're going down the freeway and there is a ton of traffic and cars everywhere dashing in and out of the space you've created in front of you.
Let 'em. As enough cars pass you, you will find yourself in a clear area with no cars around. They are in such a hurry that they pack up. So let yourself get behind the pack, and you'll be in the clear, at least for a while until the next bunch of speeders come up. Then just let them go by.
Or, as Kevin says, go with traffic, regardless of the speed limit, maybe go a little faster than traffic, to minimize the number of interactions. Again, I'll add, just get between packs.
I leave plenty of space in front of me, regardless of how heavy traffic is. I'd rather have them cut in front of me than cut into me. Leaving plenty of room in front leaves them plenty of room to get in without getting close to me, too.
If you're going slower than most traffic, get into the right lane. That's where you're supposed to be (all vehicles) unless actually passing. Being in the right lane minimizes the chance of cars pulling in front of you (or into you) from both sides.
Personally, I'm fond of staying between packs of traffic until I catch up with the stragglers from the pack ahead. I let the speedsters pass, then I pass, and again I'm in the clear. It's not a static evolution. Things change. The strategy is to allow yourself as much time and space as possible to see and respond. If you can see and respond, then hopefully you don't need to react.
Honestly, this video is excellent and I would watch it multiple times and also recommend it. The concept AAR was on point. Most accidents can and should be avoided. Well done and thank you.
Hello Kevin, I want to thank you for the great content you have shared. I'm new in the motorcycle world and have made a few mistakes newbies make like purchasing my dream bike to learn on. I trying to get enrolled into a safety course which is two counties away. It's got a two month wait at the moment. One of the drawbacks living at the end of the world. I'm taking what knowledge I'm getting from your videos and practicing in empty parking lots. Trying to build my stopping skills and slow speed control. I joined your channel and I can't thank you enough for the confidence your skill building videos have given me so far. Your good at what you do.
That military unit looked suspiciously like Meal Team 6.
4 strategies.
1. A helmet
2. No drinky
3. Join the Army if you want to prove your bravery rather than riding double the speed of the surrounding traffic
4. Buy a loud horn and learn to use it
Here's an issue I see over and over in all the moto crash videos often. When a car pulls in front of you from a side street, there is a strong tendency to swerve to the front of the car pulling out. I think we should, if there just isn't stopping space, aim to the back of the vehicle not the front. When cars pull out, they either keep going or stop. I've never seen one stop and back up. Go around behind them is the best choice most of the time but everyone tries to clear them from in front, bad choice IMO. comments welcome.
It’s why stop and swerve is so important
U can’t know for sure which side to swerve to so reducing speed is the most important thing
@@bigtreecombatacademy2927 I agree slowing if you can, but the first guy hit by the white vehicle, he really didn't have time. In this case at least, if he had defaulted to steer right instead of left, he could have gone behind the car and not end up on the ground in on coming traffic.
@@x-man5056 possibly true but he was going way way too fast for his skill level
U have to be ready to stop
@@bigtreecombatacademy2927 Dude,...he had right of way. The driver pulled out right into him. He changed lanes into on coming traffic to avoid.
In that situation the motorcyclist did nothing wrong speed or following distance, or braking. But if he had swerved right as impulse instead of left, he might have just gone behind the car. He had no chance swerving in front of the car. I default to not turning in front of cars.
@@x-man5056 right of way doesn’t matter for staying alive
He was going too fast for his ability to stop and paid the price for it
I’m on the bike for hours a day and have this exact situation nearly daily , u can’t be going at that speed and be safe with stopping distance and reaction time
I guarantee u the other driver didn’t even see him
Great video, Kevin!
Crashed one time, in the dark on my 750lb Valkyrie, on a dirt road, on uneven terrain and went down making a turn turning onto my dirt path to my house. No helmet, no gloves, no leathers, and I got dirty. First crash on that path in 8 years. Oh well. Walked to the house, got my ATV with some ratchet tie downs, parked the ATV next to the bike, ratcheted the bike back up verticle and put down the side stand. Rode my bike to the house, walked back and got the ATV and took it home. My fault, I guess, for living in BFArizona. You're right, in the instant case, there were several causes to this "crash", street bike with road tires on dirt, night time with no street lights, crappy road maintenance, and a rider that has riden on this bike (1997 Honda Valkyrie) on dirt for 27 years. lol (and NO, I know better than to use the front brake on dirt)
Thanks for the excellent training…😊
Thank you for sharing this story. I've always wondered if you had a crash. Your advice has likely already saved my life, and many others like me. Please keep these coming.
Kevin your spot on . I notice the Young guys like to split lanes and run 100 mph . I rather stay with the flow and get there in 1 piece . 50% of the crash are do to speed . you have to watch your surroundings , cars and trucks don't see bikes as well .
Thanks Kevin!
Great video, Kevin. James Reason's model describes the chain of events and factors leading to an accident. Worth looking at.
Im finding listening to music is a growing concern.
there are a number of studies that suggest listening to music can impair driving. For example, a 2013 study published in the journal Transportation Research Part F: Traffic Psychology and Behaviour found that drivers who listened to music while driving had longer reaction times and were more likely to make driving errors. Another study, published in the journal Accident Analysis & Prevention in 2015, found that drivers who listened to loud music were more likely to be involved in car accidents.
Your accident reminds me: I've been meaning to practice intentionally locking up the front wheel (on a loose surface) and quickly releasing the brake to recover. It seems helpful for getting better at immediately recognizing and correcting it. (Like when riding in rain or on messy roads.)
Every ride needs to be hot washed/ AFR’d. We should be noticing what we do right and wrong as we ride.
Every ride is a training ride
Ride with a purpose!
I've been in three accidents in my life so far that i wasn't liable but i could have done something to prevent all of them.
Always great content. I bet the riders in the beginning could see, after watching their video, how they could have avoided the crash. In both counts, I believe that legally the car drivers were at fault, but the bikers could have prevented it.
Learned this in aviation, accident chain.
I was involved in a road Rage Incident in FT Wayne IN a month ago. The dude must have been a Meth Head. He was getting really made because I was ahead of him and coasting up to a red Light on a 6 lane road. I was approaching the Left Hand Turn Lane.
I noticed a Gold Colored Lincoln SUV tailgating me aggressively. I was on a Motorcycle. It has an extra Brake/ Turn Light .. bight LED that flashing during deacceleration even if I don't use my brakes.
I was concerned about this aggressive tailgater. I was stopped at the Red Light in the Left Hand turn lane. I am looking in my Left mirror at him then in my right mirror at his Female passenger.
I was thinking that either he was really rocking out to some song on the Radio that he really liked or he was having a heated Argument with his Passenger. It was a very long red light. Eventually this dude pulled up beside me on my right .. His window was rolled down half way. He Yelled "Move Ahead , Move Ahead, Move Ahead" Then he Yelled "If you do that one more time I am going to Beat your A$$." I am thinking doing what? Then I realized how my LED brake light flashes if I decelerate or hit the brakes. If I hot the brakes it will flash three times before it goes to a solid red.
Then He pulled ahead of me and in front of me. I guess he figured me not being parked on the bumper of the only car ahead of me at the Left hand Turn Light was a waste of Space..
Then he jumped out of his SUV leaving the door wide Open and Rushed me. He said Meet me in the Parking Lot I want to beat your A$$. I am still not Mad at the dude as I am not a psychopath , yet my Adrenaline was really high. I was not trying to memorize his License Number ect. I had to turn left. I had just exited the Highway and taken an off ramp onto the road I was on. I was following my GPS Instructions to the Hotel That the "Adam Sandoval Convoy" was staying at. He was riding to 120 Harley Davidson Dealerships and raising money for the Wounded Warrior Project.
I followed the psychopath left a short ways then he turned left into a lane between two large parking lots. I turned left , South where he did. He drove rather fast then took a right into a large parking lot. Maybe it was a Menards. Just after I turned south I stopped and took a Glove off so I could turn my Go-Pro Camera on. Then I got off my bike and opened my Top Case to retrieve my Fanny Pack that had my cell phone and 9 mm hand gun in.
I was not mad.. I was never mad in this road rage incident. I thought the guy deserved a "Brake Check" but that would not be smart to try on a Motorcycle. I was not mad but still I was wondering how this guy was going to "Beat my A$$" While I had on a full face Helmet and leather Gloves with Carbon Fiber Knuckles?
There was a group of maybe 20 cars parked near the large building where the SUV went to the West. I lost visual track of the vehicle though I was trying to keep track of where he was while I was turning on the Go Pro and getting out my Fanny Pack. I strapped my Quick Draw Fanny pack to my waist.
At some point I thought I was the Gold SUV head East in front of me and go into another Parking lot South and East of where I stopped my bike.
I should have called 9-11 and documented the Incident as we really don't need idiots that crazy on the road. Just the same, I know Cops don't really like to be bothered with things so Trivial.
They say that an armed Society is a Polite Society. I just wondered if he would have become more Polite if I had pulled the 9mm on him as he was threating to beat my A$$. I would not be against a good ole fashioned fair fist fight, but then again I was never mad. I was just baffled as to what drugs this dude was on that made him act so crazy, or was he on no drugs?
It's best not to challenge others on the road. In my case being on a Motorcycle I was very Lucky that he didn't simply try to run me over with an SUV. He actually parked his SUV got out and charged me challenging me to a fist fight.
The Problem is you just don't know when they are going to pull a knife , baseball bat or Gun.
In the case with Ashlea Albertson a simple road rage incident could have easily turned into getting shot at or even shot. Sound to me like if Ashlea Albertson would of had her seat belt on she would still be alive. If she was ejected from the car, I am guessing she was not wearing her seat belt. Don't Indulge Crazy People, there are a lot of them out there!
Yes in a crash, yes 100% my fault. Just screwed up going into a curve and low-sided. I don't recommend it.
This a off topic I know but, What is the recommend action when a light your stopped at does not change. I wait a couple of cycle before running the light -- when safe to do so. I this probablt depends on local laws but curious if anyone has a comment.
I had a guy pass me to the left while I was in the fast lane
The idiot passed me between myself and the center K rail
I was going the speed limit I couldn’t believe it then here came the police chasing him which really made me mad then
I was so lucky the idiot was able to make it between the center divide and myself very scary moment in my riding experience
in most accidents, both people are usually at fault. 98% of the time
When doing brake and swerve are you using push steering or handlebar steering?
Push ! U have to make the bike sharply lean
@bigtreecombatacademy2927 thanks duder 🤘
I have a helmet cam. I can record all my rides, and I do.
Most motorcyclists are probably only alive right now because the cagers were avoiding them rather than the other way around.
Statistically, probably true. But if you ride, you don't want to be part of the statistics, by leaving your survival up to other drivers. There are many example of people who seem to do everything right and are killed. However, it may be foolish to not wear gear, not practice skills and to ride around thinking about lunch. I guess the question would be, do you have any influence over your own safety? There is a motorcycle safety forum that isn't active much anymore, but used to be. The guy who runs it was an "expert" witness in many trials involving motorcycle crashes. In his estimation, after going though many trials, was something like 90% of the crashes could have been avoided with some action by the motorcyclist. Say those numbers are accurate, that leaves 10% in the "there was nothing to be done" category. I agree, a lot depends on the motorist, but "breaking the chain" and avoiding the crash when possible should swing the odds in your favor.
@@VeeDubJohn Anyone not doing what's you say is relying on other drivers to do their job. All the principles of motorcycling apply to cagers who also use them. I believe motorcyclists put themselves in the situations that cause their accidents 90% of the time sounds about right as you say. Ride conservative, I struggle with riding conservative 100% of the time, I get frustrated with tailgaters and people cutting through traffic, I can see them coming, taking away my space cushion so I occasionally get sucked into fights for my lane. I usually reign myself in though.
I don't believe I've ever pulled a move that required a cager to swerve or otherwise avoid hitting me. Cagers, however do something on nearly every ride that puts me into an active situation to avoid a collision.
@@beepbop6697 stopping behind you with plenty of space in case they are rear ended would be one instance. Not turning in front of you even though you're obviously going way over the speed limit. Not turning left in front of you even though they could make it because they figure the person behind them won't look as carefully. I've done these things for people. Also, riding in someone's blind spot and not coming into your lane because they passed you or saw you coming from behind in their mirrors. It's an absolute certainty someone has covered your mistakes (minor or major) without you even knowing it.
@@thereplacementfordisplacement my goal is to never make a mistake, and constantly looking out for others mistakes. Most cagers aren't motorcycle licensed, so they really have no clue about (and don't look out for) motorcycles.
The second accident could have been avoided by slowing down and choosing a different lane. ymmv
Broken links: Riding a new to you GSXR crotch rocket (2 days), no drivers license, no mc endorsement. no insurance, no braking skills, ie 30' rear tire skid from rear tire,. no use of front brake, riding in tee shirt, shorts and flip flops, no helmet, dodging a traffic light through the parking lot at high speed where my car was parked. The young man who plowed into the passenger door of my parked car actually blamed me for his now broken motorcycle. When the police arrived and saw the skid mark right up to my door, he took out his book and started riding. He told me he normally does not write up motorcycles, but could not let this one go. This was me in a car and the motorcycle that hit me, but in 60 continuous years of cycling on about 20 motorcycles and almost a million miles, I have seen way too many like this.
The skill of not taking care of it or changing it on time is what breaks the chain…
🙏🏻🙏🏼🙏🏻 for Arlington P.D. officer Darren McMichael's family.
What a sad loss of a public servant.
I hope they catch the guy that ran over him and just kept going.
I’m adding you to my weekly viewing with dandanthefireman. I want to be a better rider. I never want to believe I can’t become better or shouldn’t try to be better.