Hueco Mundo Ichigo- Logic vs Instinct |Bleach Character Analysis| Flame of Rebirth
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Continuing our series on Ichigo Kurosaki, it's time to cast our eyes to Hueco Mundo Ichigo and observe the dichotomy between logic and instinct as it pertains to Ichigo.
Introduction & Premise: 00:00
Kubo tests Ichigo: 01:22
Fusion of Logic & Instinct: 04:23
Ulquiorra & Ichigo: 07:50
The Truth About White Ichigo: 09:52
The Aftermath: 12:55
Conclusion: 13:48
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Ichigo getting surgical on Ulquiorra to Orihime's despaired cry was intense. Cold deadly logic. Then him cooling down and coming to terms with the lethal destruction he inflicted and the sheer danger of going berserk has a cathartic feeling to it, especially with Orihime watching it all. Still the fact that Ichigo didn't finish Grimmjow and then protected him while he was seriously wounded means that Ichigo's struggle to maintain his humanity was still going strong even with all the other events.
Actually the one who went berserk and killed Ulquiorra was Hollow White/Ichigo White. Ichigo White is essentially Ichigo's killer instinct, he heard and felt Ichigo's yearning for wanting to save Orihime and Uryu and transformed into Vasto Lorde... His killer instinct and killed Ulquiorra, when Ichigo came to realization he didn't even know what he did and I believe it's because it wasn't him. "Everything But The Rain" ties that up well.
Actually... That is sensible considering White does care for him and wanted to protect him since the beginning and even willing to kill to do so... That leads back to his speech on Instinct as well👀
@@mulagabbana8766 Precisely what I'm saying😤🙏🏼
I always find it interesting is in his battle against Ulquiorra when he says he's the one who brought Orihime to HM; he drops Nel to attack Ulquiorra. Like a sack of potatoes, out of pure anger.
True. The irony. Grimmjow was right, he could've just grabbed Orihime and run but his pride for battle and anger led him to nearly becoming a monster who could've easily slaughtered his own friends in the berserk state he was in. The raw fear in Orihime's eyes was palpable. Ichigo's multiple states are both helpful and dangerous.
White most likely wasn't responding to logic when ichigo went vasto. Rather white was most likely still going off instinct but not to protect one's self. Rather the instinct to protect one's mate something more akin to an animal. That would explain why he 1. Sent orihime away with his sword and 2. Nearly killed uriyu when he tried to stop him from finish ulq. Because when an animal goes off that instinct they won't calm down until the threat is neutralized. There was no tanting due to this reason because white was not protecting Ichigo which is himself but Orihime.
This also would serve as white viewing Orihime as Ichigos mate, and not Rukia, which may or may not have had some influence on Ichigo himself and his choice to be with Orihime.
Also adds a layer to the idea that Orihime may have had some sort of feeling for Ulqiorra, since animals oftentimes fight to get a mate with other animals.
@@AlastorNahIdWinRadioDemon True, but about that orihime having feelings for Ulq. I don't think that was the case cause Ulq reminded orihime of her brother. I think it was more of White recognizing Ulq as a threat to her. Cause that entire fight started because Ulq wanted her to despair and white clearly didn't like that.
I guess you could say that him wanting her to despair is equal to an animal trying to mark another, So white really could have just been like "He's trying to steal my mate. Murder Time."
Just to add onto where you're going with this, cus I had a similar thought:
I would almost argue that white's appearance and his composure while fighting Ulquiorra is still easily explained from the perspective of instinct. I wouldn't call it logic anyways. White/Ichigo are fighting with anger as their fuel. I'd argue anger, especially at the intensity shown in that fight is rarely an emotion that evokes logical responses. Ulquiorra has just shown that he desires Ichigo's complete destruction, shows he's capable of making that happen, and proceeds to effectively act on those desires with extreme prejudice. He kills Ichigo, and similarly to every previous time white stepped in to save Ichigo, he does so on instinct. What's different here is that Ulquiorra has shown that he is not to be effed with. Fight or flight is triggered and white doesn't pick flight. He's never given that option anyways. White gives us a focused display of instinct through his understanding that he cannot mess around with Ulquiorra because he instinctually knows he will die if he does take the time to showboat. Additionally, White didn't need words here to do his usual show boating. His actions were loud enough.
@@NeRFeNHuRDeR true he did absolutely destroy him
Ichigo didn’t knock Orihime away to protect her. Anger just doesn’t care about destroying things, even what it’s ostensively trying to protect, in its single mindedness to destroy what offends it. Also, this isn’t about them being romantically involved per se. This is about them being close, and Ichigo not being able to protect someone important to him.
When I think of Ichigo’s character, this phrase always comes to mind:
"You may not like him Minister, but you've got to admit. Dumbledore's got style."
I understand that Ichigo does not have a deep motivation or that it is literally a smoothie of all the bleach races.
But the character has an incredible style when it comes to his transformations or fights.
Another banger video! You really don't disappoint with this series!
Honestly, I never thought of White against Ulquiorra in that way. But it does make sense. Ichigo's spirits are him. They develop as Ichigo develops. Such as Old Man Zangetsu eventually supporting Ichigo's desire to be a Shinigami, and White fighting out of a desire to protect others instead of just Ichigo himself.
The aftermath section has me excited for the FKT video. Again, you're doing a wonderful job with this series!
Glad ya’ll like it!
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Hey man I have a question is it possible that we can see prime soul king during hell arc as we saw szayalaperro who was obviously more powerful than his prime and if it is possible what do you think is gonna happen
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@@rexr9781 You know what Would be a nice interesting aspect of Hell and don't roast me to hard for saying this if the Warden / Jailer is really a servant /\ Avatar ( who's given leadership \ Authority over lesser or lower rant Jailers( Hauler vessels) for the actual king 👑 Ruler 📏 of Hell=Hellverses . It would be even nicer say the 5th Royal Noble family rules or is apart of the Hellverses . Imagine if there are former kenpachis there with a evil of the Gotie 13 as well. Also love your comment about Prime Soul-king as well.
Ichigo mask change after the fight with ulquiorra always resembled ulquiorra's face
Ichigo going Ultra Instinct before it was cool.
To be fair, Tsuna from Hitman Reborn did the Ultra Instinct before it was cool.
@@zeroskaterz92 he had silver eyes, move like ultra instinct and was called instinct? Because Ichigo did in the anime at least. 🤣
@@zeroskaterz92 Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho did it before him in his fight against Suzaku.
This video really helps to put the subtleties of Kubo's writing into perspective. If you understand this Ichigo is a great and incredibly complex character, however if this goes over your head then I believe you can only see this arc for its surface. Which will come across as a ripoff of soul society arc when it's more like an inverse or dark reflection.
Beautiful analysis. You just made me realize how detailed and deep Ichigo's character development was, but failed to notice because how of preoccupied I was with the Aizen/Hollow vs Shinigami war.
Man, I love your videos. You GET IT. You understand the literary themes in this series. Bleach, and Kubo's work, have always been things that you need to think about, dwell on, and even read/watch a second time. It's not mindless entertainment.
I love how you look at bleach in a whole new different way please keep doing what your doing I love your work I love how you analyze bleach I love how you analyze Ichigo I love how you give Ichigo his Justice & making him a character that we can all relate to keep up the good work and I wish nothing but the best p.s. Ichigo kurosaki is my favorite character of them all.
when you organized the pieces of White Ichigo's behavior in order to frame why vasto lorde Ichigo was different I legit started cracking up; like my gods he's really pissed because he was proven to not be infallible and that he himself had to respond to a logical reason to fight XDD it makes so much sense now that you've outlined it!
This video essay series is really putting into perspective why I love the story of Bleach so much on levels I only subconsciously knew until now. The storytelling of this series is so deep and purposeful, and the way it's portrayed is just an absolute spectacle, and I love it. My initial dive into the series was after I saw one of the earlier instances of Ichigo struggling over control with White, specifically during the Bount Arc, and that immediately drew me in because of my own struggles with depression I'd been going through that drew me towards characters showing a more visual struggle with those feelings embodied by some demonic force of power (ie Naruto), but after going through the series from the beginning I was definitely hooked on everything else the series had to offer, from the character story, to the world building, and ESPECIALLY the power system, but you've definitely made me that much more aware of JUST HOW GREAT the character story really is.
8:08 *Eyy* you phrased it how I once did! Ichigo in this case is basically the visualization of the active battle going between Orihime's and Ulquiorra's ideals, the moment when Ichigo is asked why he fights when he can't win and says "I fight, BECAUSE I HAVE TO WIN!" is further proof of his growth then when when he crumbles as you describe against other seemingly unbeatable opponent and despairs. Zangetsus HATE to see it. It's a line that still sticks with me and oddly enough seems to be relevant to something trying to be conveyed in DBS currently.
Also I keep referring to it as "Reason" not "Logic" as it sounds kind of off to me, would Logic be the more apt term in this case? I feel one could argue Instinct is Muscle Memory's Logic therefore being less of a difference between the two terms as opposed to a dichotomy that eventually comes together. Reason also is more Pathological in a sense, which is the opposite of being Logical. Hence the theme of Soul Society, of trying to convince Byakuya to follow his emotions, as Ichigo follows his. To execute Rukia feels wrong despite the Logic of what Laws state, so go against it.
In addition I never really interpreted this point in the series as Ichigo mastering both aspects of what his Zangetsus are trying to teach him of balancing Reason and Instinct. I see it as VAST improvement as I said, and enough to win against the likes of Grimmjow at least. I thought you were going to say White in his Vasto Lorde form was the balance of Logic and Instinct and that would have thrown me for a loop to rethink things but you didn't so I can keep to my original interpretations. The note of no cockiness being to Anger was new to me even if it seems kind of obvious. I stand by the view the Vasto Lorde form is what happens if you let Instinct take over nigh completely. Hence *Mugetsu* where I always interpreted Dangai Ichigo as feeling nothing at all but duty, is the true mastery of Logic and Instinct. I suppose we'll see as we inch along though huh? Don't let my questioning fool you though, good work as usual.
Agreed!
I agree, it is more "reason" than "logic", white zangetsu represented his pure instinct while old man zangetsu represented his "reason", and yeah when Ichigo transformed into his vasto lorde form he was driven by pure instinct; the instinct to protect Orihime, it wasn't his reason at that point.
Goated vid as always Rebirth! The part about why White was angry and not cocky was very insightful! Keep doing these analyses man you're killing it! The whole bleach community needs your Kubology before TYBW rolls around!
Thats why Ichigo vs grimmjow is so personal for ichigo. Think about how grimmjow 1st defeated ichigo. Grimmjow did it with his bare hands without even drawing his sword. Do you know how embarrassing ichigo must've been. To get defeated like that. Also when he wants to protect people around him, how can he protect anyone if he just gets destroyed by someone only using their fists and ichigo is in Bankai. I really liked that part about ichigo and grimmjow.
Good Points...
Great vid man loved your analysis it really gave the fight a new meaning
Man i love these videos they make me think so much more about how every moment was set up perfectly to fit with each other later. Keep up the great videos!
I loved this entire analysis man. Subbed.
Rebirth your videos give me chills man ain't nobody out here making Bleach videos of this quality.
Great video man. You're getting better and better at these discussions. Keep up the great work.👍👍👍
This video highlights beyond just Ichigos character the dichotomy of his relationships with Grimmjow, Ulqiorra and Orihime as well as some of their relationships with each other and it really shows why this was easily the best part of Bleach. I personally consider the Hueco Mundo Arc to be not just the best Arc of Bleach, but the best singular Arc of any anime ever especially with it coming off of the Arrancar Arc which was also fantastic.
You forgot the part where white gave back the same humiliation he faced from ulqiora he beat him the same way he beat ichigo
Watched the other parts, i know this is gonna be a banger video!
Nice video Rebirth! I love your content❤️
Thank you for this videos.
Excellent video, brah. I love Bleach. I can't wait for the anime to premiere in October.
2:51 to just correct it not that all Espada have a link it that Aaroniero Arrurueri has an ability called Cognition Synchronization that lets him share what he is seeing and felling to his comrades, can see it clearly at 3:05
&:24 both of them together like how they were originally one as white says during the Vizarrd fight and how both are Ichigo power and to add in the dangai revel of them being also originally Ichigo
I think the line from tensa actually sums it up the best Ichigo heart and mind were locked out due to his destructive urges or in other words both the Instinct and Logic were locked out of the form
the very first thing he does is hurt Orihime by calling his sword and swinging it sending her flying head first into the ground
Like how when white was in control vs Byakuya and Hiyori, Ichigo is shown to know what went on but with the full Hollowfication there is noting calling the shots very much like the Vizarrd training fight where Ichigo body fought on it's own and it acts very much the same and so Ichigo has no ideal of what was going on during that period of time
just like there where reason was chained up by Instinct and Ichigo warred with Instinct in this case reason could not contain it, Instinct could not control it and Ichigo had forced it out
Mean White did warn ichigo not to go and get himself killed. Then he went and got himself killed
That is true but to add to it we never really see white use hollow powers either which is something interesting the only times we see the hollow powers come out is when either the body is in mindless berserker mode or Ichigo uses them himself
though that could go either way as well since it was don't get killed before I come back so maybe he knew that Ichigo body would berserk like that or he was there and angry because Ichigo was once again failing just like he failed at copying how to use tensa zangetsu
@@1234andrewjacksmith something I would like to share. White most likely wasn't responding to logic when ichigo went vasto. Rather white was most likely still going off instinct but not to protect one's self. Rather the instinct to protect one's mate something more akin to an animal. That would explain why he 1. Sent orihime away with his sword and 2. Nearly killed uriyu when he tried to stop him from finish ulq. Because when an animal goes off that instinct they won't calm down until the threat is neutralized. There was no tanting due to this reason.
He wasn't protecting ichigo which is himself he was protecting orhime which he recognized as ichigo's mate perhaps
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I agree with the able to seek power without selfish ambition. Very good analysis.
Loved the vid! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank youuu!
This such a beautiful video
Keep up the good work bro I really enjoy watching your videos 🔥🔥
We keep moving!
Amazing work brother🔥💯
Thank you!
Kubology what a facinating word
I should trademark it. No one else uses it
@@flameofrebirth101 use it enough times in your videos and people will link the word back to You
i love how deep this goes
Ichigo vs Ulquiorra my favorite fight in Bleach
Wow rebirth….
This is so good… you broke this down into the form I can think off… good Job.
That's why i love Bleach so much
That was Beautiful Man youre really a true Bleach fan.No not just a fan but someone who understands who Ichigo Kurosaki truly is as a person and I just hope you get all the likes from your videos as soon as possible. Ichigo is not like Naruto or Luffy his a 17 year old teen whos dealing with the problems of balancing out his Soul reaper/Hero work with his High school life to ensure that everyone his protecting are safe and alive.And that my friends is who Ichigo is as how FORB explained.This is the characterization that makes Bleach as a whole, truly Unique in comparison to the Big 3. Even if people think that Ichigo should have an ambition to be King.No Ichigo is a High schooler that wants to live his Perfect Life with all his friends alive thats his own ambition.Whilst posing as a Superhero figure because again its who he ISSSS???Its what he wished for ever since his mother died from his powers
Agreed. 100%
1145. you spoke and read this so eloquently. and i hope to see more from you yet. There are no words. Only respect.
I wish you were Kubos Editor 💯 these video essays are truly amazing from delivery, tone, words everything hits different
Thanks man! You always here!
great video, it's very similar to how goku utilizes nature and nurture against frizea in the namek saga
Love your content
Thank you!
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I like this.
Tight
ichigo is like "can't have my wify crying, sorry Ulquiorra"
Hope this video does well, kinda pissed that I missed that kenpachi video but it is what it is
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@@flameofrebirth101 I love 💓 channels and content regardless the topic. Especially when it comes to bleach.
@@AJ-kt5zo glad to hear it.
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The thing with White's action led by logic is quite controversial imo but good video, nontheless
Like for you
I wouldn’t call this logic. Logic is a particular system of information processing defined by a set of rules. This is ethos particularly values and responsibilities.
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I'm very confused between white and ichigo. Is white ichigo, ichigo just his in frontal lobe shut off? or is it like kurama a seperate entitiy? I watched it and read the manga just still confuses me.
White and Ichigo are one, they have been one ever since Ichigo was conceived. Think of Ichigo as all parts of a soul (In this case, this soul is constituent of 4 different beings. Shinigami and Human (Isshin with his Gigai), Quincy (Misaki), and Hollow (White)), that soul has access to everything and is thus everything that it has access to, White is simply a reflection of it but more or less the Shinigami Hollow Reflection of it, White takes up as the Zanpakuto Spirit, the source of Ichigo's shinigami powers within his soul, White is a part of Ichigo. Ichigo is the whole, while White is a part even if he is older than him.
You should hit up Kubo bro lol is he still annoyed at you from beginning of this year?
Haha. Maybe one day
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White and old man zangetsu are real allies of ichigo
Ok sooo basically
Çum Vasto Lorde Ichigo was angry because Ichigo was using logic and not instinct
Ehh... white didn't care about protecting Orihime as he straight put her in harms way by breaking the ground and sending her flying. He was just pissed at Ulquiora for almost killing Ichigo and also keeping good to his promise to Ichigo about not letting himself die unless he wanted to see white again. You can also tell White was pissed bc of Ichigo bc the dude was mocking Ulquiora by literally doing what Ulquiora did to Ichigo to Ulquiora.
Please learn the Spanish & Japanese words correctly. You killed many so many words. But good video nonetheless.
Made me cry man just realised something myselves and white was my fav character but after this vid it was just reassured more thanks 🥺🥺🥺