Opponent Goes Infinite, but then I go INFINITER | Brewer's Kitchen
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When someone says they don’t understand that some infinites are bigger than others, show them this video
Granted, these infinities are the same size (Aleph_0).
It's not about bigger, it is about faster.
Once they wrap their mind around that one, you can introduce them to the idea of multiple sets of infinity.
@@Llanowar_Kitten no they certainly don't share cardinality. They are just both countable. one is still aa0 and the next bigger aa1, at least in this context.
You gotta keep in mind that most set theory notation is context sensitive. And since we are only comparing countable infinities, you still use aleph notation to compare the two sets and possibly do arithmetic on them or whatever.
Transfinite set theory gives me a headache though.
@@seleenshadowpaw3012
Yup, pretty solid Mathematical proof ,, infinity " is gibberish and only used for theoreticals and complex math equations that exist only to impress your physics teachers.
"my infinite combo is better than yours"
Sun Tzu, the art of war
Props to the one guy for sticking around as long as he did.
7:30 bell sound fix SATISFYING AF 😌 🎶 👌🏿
I did not know how much I needed the bell sound effect on Midnight Clock until today.
The editing on this video is amazing. A+ for memes alone.
"Another one!"
Even when you go infinite you need to decide where you stop.
Infinite damage beats infinite life. I think attacking to win is fine. Even if they have 16 million life we would eventually win
Yep, especially since the deck is truly infinite with two Primal Commands to shuffle everything together. It would be another story if they weren't in the deck, though. The Midnight clocks exile themself
@@BrewersKitchen exactly what I think, if you can have infinite turns without ever decking yourself, you are able to do infinite damage. If that wasn´t the case I would ask the opponent if he wants the win and scoop if theyy say yes
While technically true, in tournament the match would almost certainly go to time and be declared a tie. The infinite loop from Phil’s list is non-determinate so it cannot be declared as infinite but he is advancing the board state so he could keep going without a dq. Without an approach, it all comes down to if the opponent is willing to give up the game in the face of a theoretical win or just hold out for the tie.
@@CenJohan not rlly since things like the second sun let the deck win just by cycling out cards with infinite turns
Yeah it's a weird situation anyhow, since currently the opponent if we go by they have infinite squirrels, and have 3 times infinity health, and 2 times infinity plus 1 damage . Where as the other deck, which just stole the two soul wardens would have 2 times infinity health. But that's just numbers that don't really exist, so it's weird and finite numbers would make a lot more sense.
They see him playing, they hating. They see him doing videos, they loving.
I don’t feel particularly guilty for killing some one with Gin Gitaxes playing this deck by playing a raider’s wake, then attacking them enough to put them at 2, making them die on the discard trigger on their key to the archive
I started reading this like "Ridin Dirty" but realized that's not where it was going.
@@FlawlessRythym just did the same
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@@FlawlessRythym LOL same. That song was so overplayed that it's burned into the back of my brain now lol
Finally I know ur busy upgrading the editing on goldfish but we need these vids
Phil isn't only upgrading the editing, he also makes the best content on goldfish! I feel like he eventually might have surpassed the goldfishchannel's views, had he stayed by himself. Nonetheless, I love his videos :)
@@keep7smiling I honestly don't watch any other content on this channel but Brewer's Kitchen.
@@keep7smiling Stability is more important!
@@Orvieta you're missing out, against the odds is so fun.
@@person3176 Presentation and voice acting are irritating to me, something I don't have with Brewer's Kitchen, liked him from his first videos before he went with Goldfish.
I think they need to set up a trigger to detect the same action (with a of counter 5 or less) in a phase and then a prompt asks how many times do you want to do it then does it.
Infinite combos are part of the game, so if they can incorporate this concept into arena, I’m all for it. However I hate the inception of Alchemy into arena.
Anakin: “the video is 20 minutes, but he plays 3 games”
Padme: “so each game is about 7 minutes, right?”
Anakin: * smirks menacingly
Padme: “right?”
Very strange comment.
@@The_Caucasian_Sensation Strange that this got two likes
Does Anakin smirk menacingly in that meme? I don't recall him 'smirking menacingly'.
Jin-Gitaxias reminds me of the number of times people would play Binding of the Old Gods to try and kill my Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider. Good times.
Don't forget people trying to use Binding on Ashaya, Soul of the Wild.
@@AaronRotenberg ashaya has gotten me multiple times when i've tried to play banishing light effects on it
Why doesn't it work?
@@lt422vorinclex says that if opponents would put counters on a permanent they control, they get half that many counters rounded down. this means that enemy-controlled sagas like binding the old gods don’t get lore counters and never trigger their abilities.
ashaya makes all nontoken creatures on its side of the board forests in addition to creatures, including itself, so none of them can be targeted by “target nonland permanent” effects like banishing light.
once I played Elspeth Conquers Death in my Yorion deck hoping to exile an enemy Vorinclex. Damn, I got beat up so hard i can still feel the damage
This was definitely entertaining to watch. Putting the bell sound on the Midnight Clocks really helped too. It's kind of a shame that the Approach of the Second Sun didn't end up showing up during your "infiniter" combo, but oh, well.
The design of the preators are my favorite, they really do feel brutal. Being on the receiving end of one of those bad Bois is inevitable death.
Praetor is the new Phyrexian :)
That midnight clock sound is soooo satisfying!! Great job dude
Ben is a good sport to let you do as much as you did. I hope he got a good laugh at it.
Gotta be some of the crispest editing I've ever seen for Magic content!
Thank you! Game one was probably the hardest game to edit in any of my videos. There was just so much going on xD
@@BrewersKitchen Even my wife as a MTG newbie was in awe when you went berserk in Game 2. I had to explain a few steps and moves, but it all made sense to her, and I thank you and her for that.
@@Orvieta Oh wow this is great to hear! I always worry that I'm going a bit too fast with my editing xD
in paper MTG you have to declare an actual number rather than say "infinite" thus the "As many as you can make before you time out" works fine.
I declare nine septillion.
Non exponential effects should not be able to compare with infinite loops.
I took a break from magic for a year, used to watch brewer on his own channel - it’s a pleasant surprise to see him on a big channel like goldfish! Congrats to him!!
Thank you! And welcome back to Magic :)
My gosh... I would pay gems for those bell sounds to be real.
Decree of silence returns!
*MTGGoldfish:* "HEY! OPPONENT! You said your power level was pretty big, right?"
*"Ben_As2pik":* "Yuh-huh... why?"
*MTGGoldfish:* "Because _my_ power... *_IS MAXIMUM!_* "
*"Ben_As2pik":* ". . . prove it." _[proceeds to get turn-locked]_
As2pik is a french streamer
Hahahaha that “Who wants to be a Millionaire” music was a good touch
Been missing the Brewer’s Kitchen content. Good to see ya in a few months. Looking forward to more :).
They should implement it to have infinite combos, or some kind of way to detect it
That's very similar to the Halting Problem in computer science. The main difference here is that we're not trying to predict for all possible inputs but for a set of inputs limited by the state of the game and all possible actions in the game, limited by the cards in the decks. Still, this is very nontrivial.
Maybe there could be a way to bundle actions into a set and let the user input the number of times the set of actions be repeated... Still, I think it's much more complicated than it sounds unless for very trivial two-card combos
@Zach, Bro How so? Do players not have to manually work through each step of the combo an arbitrary number of times, limited by timing out?
@@daktastik they do
@@daktastik It might not be trivial, but it should hardly be impossible either. As a general rule, if a set of game rules can run on human brains, it should be able to run on computers. If humans can recognize an infinite loop, a computer should too.
There also variations in the space of "infinite combos". Some are easier to implement than others. The Jin-Gitaxias combo shown here for example, might be a lot more difficult to implement for computers because of the variations of going infinite: it's not a simple cycle because you have some random variation on drawing the necessary Time Walk-like cards. That's not to say humans can comprehend this any better. If my opponent at a tournament explained the Jin combo, I'd still probably ask them to play through it because it isn't obvious that their infinite loop is guaranteed. So a computer not declaring infinite loop victory here is not any worse than a human.
However, it should be relatively easy to recognize the life-gain squirrel infinite combo. You can just have a trigger to look for a cycle of similar inputs followed by a proportional change in board state that doesn't use up any finite resources. When this is detected, give the player a pop-up menu to ask how many iterations of the cycle they'd like to play.
Now we come to the actual game-rules limitation here. If I remember correctly, in actual Magic rules, you can't have actually infinite life. Instead, you can declare any arbitrarily large (finite) number. Which is not gonna be possible with computers. You'll probably need to make sure "infinite" combos still work as expected when you simply declare enough cycles to give players the max number of whatever they want. Considering value overflows and all that stuff.
Absolutely terrific content. I’ve been watching Goldfish for years now, and these are still some of the best videos that’ve come from them.
Wow and now imagine all this card juggeling in paper... :o
The pace, style, and editing on this video is incredible. Great work!
gotta respect a deck that runs zero 1-or-2 mana interaction. that's called committing to the bit!
I know they are few and far between, but they are so worth it!! I love the editing quality, the smooth narration and great pacing. Take all the time you need!
Great video great content. Fun (even if crazy/long) deck...This was entertaining. Thank you for taking the time to produce it!
The ad read with the Arena timer. 👌Perfect.
Sick content as always! Love all of the editing, extra details (clock tower bell chimes), and whacky decks. Also think the game-play version of a deck-tech is a sweet idea! Worth the wait, keep the good stuff coming!
You're videos are sooo well edited. it's still enjoyable rewatch even after several months
This was masterfully edited, excellent work 👍
Great video!
When you stopped to explain the finisher, I had instant flashbacks to Guenther Jauch. Great choice of music!
The editing shown here is insane! Almost as insane as the rest of your videos are fun to watch!
I love your style, the editing and the commentary. Thanks for brightening my day and welcome back!
Nice deck. Love to see more of your stuff moving forward.
You are the reason I subscribed to this channel, to be honest. Good to see more gameplay from you!
This has to be the greatest video ever thank you for that love seeing someone with a life loop get countered right after worth watching every second
I love this guy! Please keep him around! I don't usually enjoy gameplay videos very much. Something about this guys charm just gets me good
Great video once again. Always a must watch right now when your videos shoe up in my feed!
I love the production value of your videos. Looks so smooth and the memes are on point
Excellent deck my guy! Love busted jank decks! Great narration and production as well!
I really love the pace of these videos, super dense high quality stuff
Always killing it with the amount of time and effort poured into each video. Loved it!
I love the editing, keep up the great work.
Yes Phil!! This video was amazing, thank you for your work
Really loved this video! Hope to see more stuff like it and more stuff from Phil in general soon
Great deck. Great editing 👌
I love how he seems to gain turns not loose them XD
Brewing is the best way to play, it's all we would do back when we first started out
That combo kill is hilarious and brutal.
These must take forever to edit, you put so much insane detail into everything!
Finally another Phil video, amazing as always 😍
Amazing production quality mate!
Best thing on this channel. You're the King!
MTGA has some incredible content creators.
I'm not sure if you yourself edit these videos but I love the way your videos are edited. they're so fluid and funny I live it.
This is extremely entertaining!
Dude, your content is stunning. Love your editing. My top 3 fav Magic content creator, hands down
Easily my new favorite creator, more videos!
The level of edition of this video, its amazing! Ive enjoyed the gameplay
The bonus game totally got me. Funny video love you content.
Well this was definitely worth the wait! Very fun stuff
I do think there should be a way for Arena to realize you have infinite, just to help speed up the process a little
Playing against this deck is not dumb! Its glorious and everyone should feel honoured to witness its MAGIC!
Your videos are always so well edited this was great fun
That was amazing!
MY FAVORITE DAY HAS ARRIVED! A NEW BREWERS KITCHEN VIDEO!!!
I always do a little head bop to that Goldfish/Kitchen hybrid intro. Straight swaggin'
You're videos are just pure madness :D. I'm still sitting and laughing about the changing life deck (which i built directly) xD. Go on =D
I really love Phil's videos. Keep up the good stuff :)
I like combos in arena, but I do wish it had a system that allowed you to input a combo and just let it roll. Clicking through them/waiting on the opponent to click through is a hassle
Only in high level MTG do you get terms like "infiniter"... and it is perfectly understood. :)
Great editing my guy.
I don't need to sleep, i need to watch this one more time
7:00 Opponent could have played Heliod first and then Soul Warden, which would put 8 counters on Soul Warden and result in a forced block with Jin Gitaxias.
*clicks "oops"
I love how cheeky his commentary sounds. This deck seems fantastic.
woah the animation has improved so much
Please keep giving Brewer's Kitchen money! I will be honest, I watched his channel before I watched this one. His editing and skill is right up there with LVD. I actually subscribed because of this video. Keep it up, MtG Goldfish.
'I activate my infinite combo aleph null times'
'In response, I activate MY infinite combo aleph one times!'
Gotta love that heavy edited video. Worth the wait.
I will say, tho, when I saw the documentary joke I could only feel for Phill... I know how long that must've taken
Always more of phill. definitely on of my favorite people to watch.
I love Phil's humor!! So hyped for this!! Moar plz
Awesome video!
Nice gameplay and fun to watch 😁👍
Commander Clash is the reason I started watching MTGGoldfish content, but Phil is the reason I stayed :D Keep up the great work!
Holy schmoses, best editing in the business
Amazing editing ahead
Good stuff!
This video is amazing!!
Shoutout to the bloke for staying in the game as long as he did hahahaha legend
Love it, please make more videos! :D
Love the gameplay its fun to watch.
I'm so sad I didn't open one in my NEO box. I need to grab one later this year.
I can recommend Praetor Tribal in Historic Brawl. Golos as a commander
The editing in these videos is always great, but the arena fuse on the ad read is an especially nice touch.
Easily the best mtg videos on RUclips
This remunds me of the deck I played which was made to just ramp and draw until I took infinite turns with nexus of fate... I miss that deck... it was hilarious that it bypassed the turn timer
Ohhh, Phil, total schön, eine eigene Folge mit Dir sehen zu dürfen!! :) :) :)
Danke sehr! :)