Code 5 Lead Installation To A Wide Gutter Using T-Pren Expansion Joint. So Much Welding
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this video I install code 5 lead to a gutter. The builder didnt want to build steps but still wanted to use lead. So T-pren expansion joint was used to overcome this problem.
Amazing when it’s finished, looks stunning
Thank you and thanks for watching.
That’s a beast of a box gutter nice job dude 👌🏻
Omg it was so much welding. Very time consuming.
@@slbleadworks how long did the whole thing take you ??
@@iansanton I can’t remember now to be honest. But it was definitely over a week.
Are you in the trade yourself ?.
@@slbleadworks yeah been roofing (mainly leadwork) 30 odd years
Lovely job there. I would have really liked to see you working the lead, especially the flange on your outlet. What a lovely neat job, well done.
Thank you. There was so much welding on this job. Sorry I didn’t show more of the work I’ll bear this in mind for future vids. Thanks for the feedback.
HI Stuart, Last time we worked on a gutter this large we did it in a rubber roof, the rubber was doubled up so the customer could get access, I was quite proud of the way it turned out but watching your video has made me feel like a real amateur. Your work is amazing. Hope you don't mind, I have just shared this video on my FaceBook
Thank you no I don’t mind at all. Thanks for doing that it really helps me out.
Smart job, I’ve done a couple with steps before on a big gutter, problem is no one sees all your hard work. 👍
Thank you. Yes it’s a shame sometimes.
Love all your work Stuart, it’s really amazing, and your attitude, nothings a problem and you get on with it.
I’ve been roofing 30 years and just went to college for the first level of welding. I can’t weld up hill or in place yet.
Just turning the lead flat to weld. I’ll get there. 👍🙏
God bless
Thank you so much. I do like to just get on with it and don’t want anything to beat me. So I’ll always try and find a solution.
Well done with the welding. You’ll get there. Just got to keep practising
@@slbleadworks
Do you want to come to Gloucester to do this small 3x2 metre mop stick roof, asap, I’ll make it very worth it and watch your work.
@@robertmyatt2755hey mate. I live in cheltenham. Where are you doing the lead welding course?
Top class as always....
Thank you
Woah! That is A LOT of welding! Ice job as always Stuart!
Thank you .
Yes it was insane. I was hoping they would go for stepped bays with wood roll etc.
But the carpentry work had already been set out for expansion joint.
Always taking on the easy straight forward jobs aint you Stu 🤣
Looks the business though pal, top job as usual
Thank you. Omg I’ve never done so much welding on a job. I have another one of these to do yet 🤦🏻♂️😳😂
What a job mate! I’ve never seen a t pren expansion joint before, I’ve always done steps! Cause I haven’t done and welding haha
You are seriously great at what you do buddy! I hope you’re on the mega bucks!
Thank you. To be honest I tried to push for steps as I think it’s a much better job. It would have looked lovely getting some wood rolls down and much more enjoyable for me.
But the builder had already constructed it this way and wanted to leave things alone.
No big bucks for me unfortunately I just get a day rate.
@@slbleadworks yeah steps with a roll looks the part too! fair enough mate, do you not get price work or private jobs? It’s a rare thing now days, lead welding! And a decent one like yourself! How far would you travel??
@@TheJudgejay this one’s a private job. I quite like working on a day rate basis to be honest. My working area is a 80 mile radius from Brighton.
Why every 1 meter can you not go every 1.5 meter an expansion joint at code 5
You can use code 5 up to bays 600mm wide at 1.5m by this looks wider than 600mm, so to prevent any movement and splitting you would need to shorten length, 1m bays is correct and Stuart is doing a great job. Only issue I can see is how area under lead is vented, like with all lead roof, area must be vented in cold or warm roof construction.
Top job again stuart
As Clive as mentioned as these bays are wider than 600 mm the bay size has to be shortened. The maximum size you can go in code 5 is 1.2 square meters. These bays worked out well within at 1m lengths and it also meant I was able to get all the bays a similar size.
Great video mate.. looks smart
Thank you
Damn what a work
Great job again 👊🏻
Thank you
To all watching this .. T pren only has only a 10 year manufacturers guarantee!! Its a NHBC favourite! Just long enough to last before it fails !
Yes this is correct. T-pren has a 10 year manufactures guarantee. However tests indicate that it will last in excess of 50 years.
Stuart , T pren has only been out for 25 years so what they say about could last 50 years !! Cannot be recognised.. and as T pren has been selling there product for 25 years .. why have they not increased there guarantee on there product from 10 years too 20 years 🤔...
Im shocked at how wide that valley is, the cost of lead must be frightning, welding looks outstanding, I hope someone fitted a velux for maintenance, I didnt see one, had an outlet like that on an inverted roof valley block with twigs and leaves in an empty house wrecking rooms with rot from the leak.
This is the widest gutter I’ve ever seen or done. I wanted the builder to use steps. But he built it like this before I arrived. There was so much welding. 3m on every join. The gutter falls both ways. So half discharges straight of the roof. But still it’s a shame there’s no velux for maintenance. I did suggest it.
Excellent job!
I'm a plumber who does a fair bit of leadwork, but never used the t-pren before. Funnily enough, i've got a gutter to do now that has to have these expansion joints. And hence, finding as much info as i can, and finding this channel!
If i may, i'd like to ask a couple of questions. One, can the t-pren be welded onto the lead before bent and dressed into place, as i'm a little concerned as to the rubber joints being damaged by any excessive pulling when being dressed in?
Also, looking about, is there a strip/cover that goes over the neoprene? I'm seeing there is online, but there wasn't anything supplied other than the lead/expansion roll.
Once again though, job looks a belter.
Thank you and thanks for finding my channel.
Would you consider subscribing please if you haven’t done so already 🙏.
Yes you can weld the expansion joint on before hand. It makes things so much easier if you can do all the welding on the flat.
As with the cover strips. I think you can buy it with the expansion joint. Although I’ve never come across this.
I just make my own. Just cut some lead in the desired width. And weld some clips on the bays to hold the strip in place. Just make sure you leave a good expansion on the clips when you bend them up. 6mm.
@@slbleadworks Thanks for the quick reply. All noted, thankyou!
Yes, i was thinking of the ease of burning on the flat, especially since space is an issue!
Yeah, i think this 'strip' just adheres on, from what i've seen. But good idea with the lead and clips, although if not a walkway and kind of hidden away, dosen't overly matter.
I've also noticed, and read, that only the top lap on the expansion joint needs to be welded (if i can i usually do the back as well as to most burns, but i think i go overboard, lol)
Picking up some ideas too, i've not thought about heating the lead up for bossing!! Something i'll certainly try.
THanks again Stuart, very much appreciated.
And i shall indeed subscribe!
@@iancaley2347 thank you for subscribing I’m trying to get to 5k by Christmas.
Yes you only need to weld the top lap. Just make sure you penetrate both sheets.
And yes heating the lead for bossing roll ends etc is so much easier. Wish I done it years ago.
@@slbleadworks All noted again, thanks.
Always learning better ways to do things, and easier! No matter how long one has been doing it, lol.
Much appreciated! And hope you get to the 5k before Xmas.....it'll be a doddle : ))
What size bays did they build there? Looks like they started really wide at the low end!
Yes I think the lowest point started at about 900mm wide.
How do you go about fixing it down?
You don’t fix the expansion joint gutter at all. It has to be allowed to move.
Excellent work as always Stu. How long did the welding take out of interest.
Thank you. There was so much welding on this one. This took me 4 days.
Could you have laid the lead onto the felt instead of the building paper?
I think it’s always best to use the specified grade A building paper under lead sheet.
That back edge would be a drip detail.
Have you got any videos on how best to dress the lead at a step of a gutter?
No I don’t think I have. What part do you need help with ?
Dropped you a message on your Instagram mate
🤘😎🤘
Thank you
Did you do all that in one day. Fantastic.
I wish there was 3m of welding on every section. It took a few visits.
nice work mate, as a rough guide what do you charge for such a job?
Thank you. I work on a day rate. I won’t say how much this cost in labour but this took me 4 days.
@@slbleadworks Thanks mate. You must be on a decent day rate then i would think. I am a roofer and do some smaller lead works but no welding, was thinking of doing the lead course in manchester with master roofers to improve my skills a bit. I have a few videos up also and trying to build my channel. Cheers bud.
@@davesalter
Your welcome. I’ve just watched some of your vids and I’m just about to subscribe.
@@slbleadworks That would be appreciated! Of course I am already a sub of yours. :)
Blimey lot of welding there ...
How long did that all take you if you don't mind me asking
Also Stuart do you go by the LSA manual for bay sizes etc?
There really was. It took me 4 days to complete this.
Yes I do. I always make sure I don’t exceed 1.2 square meters when using code 5.
How long did this take
From memory I think it took me about 4 days
@@slbleadworks thank you for the reply, amazing work
@@Sitdown570 thank you. Are you in the trade too ?
@@slbleadworks yes mate I sure am, I’m a roofer but I also do all of my own leadwork. I do lots of welding too but I can’t seem to get it as nice as yours 😂😂😂
Are you not protecting the t-pren ? What about heat/loose slates/birds etc damaging it? Recently installed the same and covered all with a sheet of lead
Beautiful work as always mate 💪🏻
I’ve spoken to the builder about this and at the moment he doesn’t want to. I’m hoping I can convince him before I’ve finished . I still have another one of these gutters to do.
That's wide,
Single ply would have been an option,
Good luck with that.
The money they charge for t-print you would have thought they would have used milled lead,
Let be honest, SPM or torch on felt would give more off a insurance backed guarantee than T prem expansion joint! SPM and felt would give 20 years ! T prem 10 years !!
I belive T Prem should only be used never .. Spm , Liquid plastics or even EPDM are better options!
@@rickphillips5098 prelasti, even monoseal that carries a 30 year warranty provided you are ticketed to lay it.
Yes it really was a wide one. This is definitely the most welding I’ve done on a gutter.