Kyle Shanahan's biggest mistake in SB LVIII, more talented QB than Patrick Mahomes? | NFL | THE HERD
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2024
- James Jones joins the show to share his reaction to Super Bowl LVIII with Colin Cowherd. The two discuss Patrick Mahomes, and the 49ers collapse in the 2nd half of the game, plus why it was a mistake for Kyle Shanahan to keep the ball in Overtime instead of deferring to the Kansas City Chiefs, and allowing Mahomes a shot to win the game. And while Mahomes is getting all these well deserved accolades, Jones maintains that there's one quarterback he believes is more talented than the KC QB, even after three Super Bowl rings. Finally, the two praise Andy Reid for his mastery of the team, and lay out how his skill at the head coach position has helped Mahomes and the Chiefs achieve all they have.
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James Jones, what a great analysis of the game. Well done! Bring him back often!
James analysis is flawed
He makes it sound like if they stopped them on the fourth down Kansas city can punt.
Both teams have 4 downs going for it on 4th is optional.
The better argument will be shanahan should have gone for it on 4th and 4 rather than kicking the field goal.
Because if they are stopped it becomes risky for Kansas city to go for it on the 4th because that gives 49ers a short field and a touch down or field goal wins the game.
@@onojaefeogaga1387its not flawed if Kansas City get the ball 1st they probably dont go for it on 4th & 1 from they own 30 yards like they did…same reason the 49ers didnt go for it
This guy’s analysis of the game is spot on. Great to listen to as well
@@onojaefeogaga1387Yeah, I was elated when San Francisco kicked the field goal. Actually, I was totally shocked.
@@davidjudd951 they had to coz if they go for 4th in 4 then get stopped the game is really over. Mahomes can def get in field goal range but if you take 3 you give your Defense something to work with.
Great analysis from James Jones.
I knew the overtime rules, and I'm just a cyber security engineer... These guys are PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS!!! Zero excuse for not knowing.
Exactly 💯
✔️ 💯
I’m lost. What was so bad about SF taking the ball first. If the Niners would have gotten 7 points then it would be up to KC to get 7 as well. Isn’t the issue that SF only put 3 up on the board? What am I missing?
@@ericespinoza373you wanna be the 2nd team to see what you need to win which gives you and extra down because your going into the possession knowing your going for it on 4th down. Shanahan said he took it because he wanted a 3rd possession Andy Reid said they would’ve went for 2 had the 49ers scored a TD so it really didn’t matter
@@ericespinoza373if the 9ers get the ball 1st and score 7 guess what KC can score to win? 8.
9ers score 3 first and KC has the luxury of anything they want to do.
at halftime kelce had 1 catch for 1 yard and kittle had 0 catches for 0 yards. at the end of the game kelce had 9 catches for 93 yards and kittle had 2 catches for 4 yards. thats the difference between andy reid and kyle shanahan
Kittle is used differently. And their gameplan was to go thru the running back. The 49ers actually have a losing record when kittle has over 100 yards in games.
Blessed be Jesus!Listen Kyle needs to go also.Getting to the Super Bowl again and came short.All other coaches who haven’t won any games.Gets fired!Now what’s going on?
@@user-sc4np7iv6g he lost to Mahomes twice and Brady when he was in Atlanta. Relax.
@@Mr.Hall3850but the way he lost those was aggregious! SMH
JJ is such a great man to listen to. Smart
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It would have been so easy for JJ to go with the crowd and call Mahomes the "GOAT", but he was honest and called Rodgers the greatest quarterback he's ever seen.
@@tomcollins5112AGREED!!! BUT he REALLY does think Pat is special!! He played w/ Aaron!!! And the conversation on SPEAK, wzn't about who is the GOAT?!?! It was solely on who is the most talented QB you've seen!!! NOT who is the GOAT. BUT he also said that Pat has all of the qualities as Aaron Rogers!!! His assessment of the Ravens defense after the Chiefs won was amazing!!!
He said, "As soon as that game started, I said, this Baltimore team isn't ready for Patti!!!" BUT they talked how Pat is the most clutch QB!!! His take b4 that game & he chose the Chiefs & said, "I ain't going against Patrick Mahomes no more!!!" Their discussion was how?!?! By the end, J.J. just said, "B/c one five is trotting out there, & that's why we're picking them!!!" He knew some of other stats of Patrick I hadn't heard before!!! And he said, "It's CRAZY!!! I can't go against that!!!" But this conversation did make think more of Brock Purdy.
Though I do think he played amazingly well, his take on how an exceptional QB elevated his stats & the same with the Chiefs' players made me wonder, though they came close to winning, my question is can they can win the SB with Brock Purdy?!?! I don't know?!?! But I feel the same with Shanahan. Can they win the SB with Kyle Shanahan?!?! Their defense played better their offense, & the defense coach was fired!!! It just feels like Wilks got thrown under the bus!!!
Kelce had 9 catches 93 yards, kittle, aiyuok, Samuel....8 catches 89 yards combined. Let's give spags some credit now.
And Reid and Kelce. Greatness
James Jones was amazing! JJ: Keep going and getting it like it's the 1st Qtr!
Aaron Rodgers doesn’t have the poise and mental resilience that Mahomes has, you can see when the sky’s falling by his body language while Mahomes stays cool. It’s not even close
Rodgers is soft when it comes to performing in the playoff fire. His last three or four playoff losses, he was so ineffective and disappointing. If he played as well in the postseason as he did the regular season, he'd be in the GOAT convo.
Rodger need other great players around him. Mahomes doesn’t + 3 rings.
Pleeeaaazzze
Clearly… otherwise Aaron Rodgers would have more than 1 ring. Mahomes is like Brady and rodgers combined
@@Zarab923don’t ever disrespect Brady by comparing him to mahomes or Rodgers.
Yea on SPEAK J.J. just was referring to raw talent. The consensus was that Patrick Mahomes right now is the best & MOST CLUTCH QB!!!! Pressure doesn't bother him. In fact he thrives UNDER PRESSURE!!!!
James Jones needs to be on NFL tv way more
He’s on SPEAK
And usually the sole voice of reason! LOL!
@@shonbell1529I like Shaddy, but sumtimes the oth guy on SPEAK drives me crazy with what he says & how much he talks!!! I've stopped watching a few times. Shaddy was on "The Herd" the day b4 & was also GREAT as well b/c he knows Coach Reid so well & won the the Chiefs 1st SB with Patrick Mahomes & Travis Kelce!!! SO he had a lot of insight about Coach Reid & when he knows to call certain plays!!!! And having played for him with the Eagles.
Jones was🔥on this show
This is so much better than all the yelling on ESPN sometimes 😂
A lot of Niner apologists crying about the Chiefs getting a lucky bounce on the muffed punt, while conveniently forgetting their luck in the NFC Championship with the deflection catch that set up the Niners rally.
James jones is a football genius!💪💪💪💪
Give a little more credit though to the backup tight end. Noah Gray has excellent hands and great awareness!
Love that section about 9 minutes in when Cowherd takes in the difference between the two super bowl teams in terms of talent. Shoutout to James Jones, fantastic segment!
Mahomes
Kelce
Jones
McDuffie
Snead
Tranquil
Karlaftis
Pacheco
KC is loaded with talent
@@povertyspec9651I think because they're not big names people recognize they get overlooked. The Chiefs are never underdog's.~ Patrick Mahomes
James Jones is 100% here with his analysis of everything on the Super Bowl. The loss is clearly Shanahan’s full responsibility.
I don't want to see Kittle compared to Kelce again.
Why would anyone compare Kittle to Kelce? Doesn’t make sense to compare a tight end to a receiver
@@airgasmYTexactly! Kelce is in a 3point stance not even 5 times the whole year.
He did a ton of yapping and not a lot of catching in the SB
@CulturalExplorer1A Really? What did he say that triggered you?
Kelce was shut down the vast majority of the game until the DC changed up his defense.
The definitive take by JJ
Jones doesn’t have opinions, he has insight and he judges one based on what he sees, not on what others think or see. He’s a good man
Colin being flabbergasted by Jamesp points the entire segment is gold. He always brings it and has been a great addition to Speak.
James Jones is the Best, needs to be on the show more
James Jones is always a good interview. He is very knowledgeable and never appears to be condescending with his views.
Mahomes was like are you sure you wanna do this
I consider myself pretty smart and savvy when it comes to football... But this dude just blew my mind too. Holy smokes I feel enlightened after watching this.
James Jones was cookin 🔥
JJ just gave some of the best analysis I've heard so far
Except for being a clown and saying Aaron Rodgers is better than Mahomes 😂😂😂 what's joke 🤣
After the the Chiefs won their first Super Bowl, Andy Reid was thinking about retiring. Mahommes went over to him, put his arm around him, and said, "He's not going anywhere". Pat knows what he has in Coach Reid, and he knows he's where he is because of him.
Mahomes face? After SF took ball? After winning OT coin flip, was fing priceless!!!
Well Colin, tom brady too had belicek, otto graham too had paul brown, joe montana too had bill Walsh. What's the point colin?
As a Niner I'm looking at Kyle sideways. I blame him for this loss . He should know better coming from his Pops and being around the game for so long.
Yep. Run the damn ball.
I’m a niner fan but jones is severely underrating Spags and his defense out scheming and executing kyle and the niners offense.
Everybody knows spags is a blitz heavy coordinator especially on third downs and it seemed like Kyle did not prepare neither purdy nor the protection for that... second season in the row we had a problem of not blocking the premier defensive player in jones and hassan reddick (kittle blocking the elite edge)
The credit goes to Spags ‘ defense. They shut down the Niners star receivers. That’s why jennings Conley and Mccloud had the best receptions…if you give credit to Reid for MVS and co to be open you have to credit shanahan for getting his second and third options open.
And about Kyle not finding the answers in the third quarter… it took the first half for Reid to get his offense going… and it was partly on Mahomes getting off script after that… sounding smart doesn’t make you smart
Do you read? Maybe you should listen to the conversation again? I did not hear James say anything about Spags or the Chiefs defense. He greatly admires Shanahan and limited his conversation to the lack of involvement of the 49ers Pro Bowl Players. This is a truth as Kittle & Aiyuk see it. I'm going to listen a second time to make sure that I correctly comprehended his comments. Okay, I re-watched it and still didn't hear him say anything but the Super Stars were not included in the game. I am a Chiefs fan but even I know about Kittle, Aiyuk, and Deebo.
@@MaxM26 you have a listening comprehension issues my friend. Jones clearly says how it more impressive that all reid has are those c type players who he constantly got open when needed, while shanahan has deebo kittle and ayiuk and they were clamped for the whole game basically because purdy was being blitzed to the oblivion
People act like it was just dumb luck or by chance that Mahomes just fell into their lap.
No, KC identified Mahomes and them moved up from 20 something to 10 in order to get him. They made it happen
Not to mention they did it when Alex Smith was leading them routinely to 12 and 13 win seasons. Not many teams would have balls to do that.
While Kyle was waiting on Kirk Cousins! Smh
They were looking at Pat thru all of his College yrs!!! Veach kept dropping tape off onto Andy's desk. They wanted him so bad, that Veach & Naggy I think, went behind Andy's back, & they gave Pat the night b4 the plays Andy Reid would go thru with him!!! He told this on the New Heights podcast with Jason & Travis. Travis has no idea!!!
BUT later when they had Andy Reid on, he kinda figure it out!!! He wasn't that shocked!!! In fact, suddenly 1 team wz going to take him, so Pat called Veach & told him while the draft was on, that if they don't take him earlier another team was going to take him. They couldn't believe he drafted himself!!! BUT sure enough they moved up their draft, to NOT lose him!!! And Pat wasn't making this up. Obviously Pat also really wanted to go to the Chiefs & I'm assuming Coach Reid!!! He probably knew Veach was scouting him thru out 3 yrs of playing College Football!!!
I must admit that being a Mountain West fan and watching Alex Smith all through college, I thought the Chiefs were nuts on giving up on Smith. Smith was a stud in college and the NFL. That's a big leap of faith that team took on Patrick. As a HUGE Bills/JA fan(from Wyoming) I salute the Chiefs and Bills for taking those HUGE risks on these guys. When they play you know it's going to be something to watch. It's like watching Brady/Manning only these guys run,jump and throw the ball a 100mph. So fun to watch, we're lucky.
@@dustinh818Going to a well-run franchise that knows what it's doing is crucial. Imagine what would of happened to Mahomes (or Allen) if they went to the Jets😆
My guy JJ San Jo legend. Proud of him he doing his thing
The players were tired on both teams,so Frisco need to stop with the excuses.Teams are listening to that and are going to get after them every game.
And Colin is helping with the excuses.
At the end of the day, they got the ball 1st in OT and should've acored.
The 40-whiners had a BYE WEEK! And played vastly inferior teams to get to the Super Bowl than the chiefs had to. And they were tired?!?!
@anthonygilmore5969 taking the ball first puts undue pressure on ur offense to score a td. U do nothing by kicking a field goal.
@@anthonygilmore5969 They did score LOL.
Man, this is some of the best “casual”analysis I’ve seen of the game. I don’t watch Speak because of the rest of the crew but James Jones is great.
Loved that analysis! Favorite take on the superbowl so far
Jones explodes Colin’s favorite narratives around analytics and offense. In the end the “offensive genius” Shannahan should’ve trusted his DEFENSE and the psychology (momentum) of the moment.
Jones was spot on with his analysis
Wow great segment great analysis from dude
Coach Kyle is no genius. He overpaid for trey lance. Then he turned to garopalo. In a last gasp desperate move he called for Purdy. Did coach kyle think Purdy was great? No! Mr Irrelevant made Kyle look like a winner. Kyle is average at best.
There's a reason Kyle Shanahan is an O and a stunning 3 in the Superbowl
Forget the extra down part … if overtime not “sudden death “ anymore… idc WHO’s tired … WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THE BALL 1stttttttt??😂😂😂😂😂
literally cuz if you fail to score now its sudden death and youre on the defensive side praying the offense doesnt get in field goal range lmaoooo
@@NICThe313 against PATRICK MAHOMES, I never want him to have the ball last. Shanahan fumbles every SB 🤦🏾♂️😭
You’d take the ball if you don’t realize it’s NOT sudden death. Shanahan had no idea about the new rule 😂. You won’t prove to me otherwise. He’s had like 3 different answers now.
In no world would I keep him as head coach. I’d keep him as an OC and bring in a Belichick or something but as a head coach he is LOST when it comes to general game management. He needs to stick to play calling and leave major decisions to someone else.
That someone else also has to have the balls to tell Kyle to F off with plays when he needs too. Don’t let him just up and do what he wants on offense because he will cost you the game. Give him run or pass calls then let him work.
Bro, I was super happy when Kyle decided to take the ball in overtime😂. Honestly I was in disbelief. I thought they was going to make us take it first
I had my tv on mute and saw the ref signal the 9ers were gonna receive and I was so confused on why they would do that lol
@@aarondriskell2950 i don't think there's a problem with receiving the ball first ... the problem was why did they decide to settle for a field goal... we all knew that a field goal wouldn't be enough to win in that overtime..
@@aarondriskell2950 I was watching it with my mom so when is she heard that she was like oh yeah yall about to win
@@donovans6472 it is a problem because you don’t want the opposing QB to react to what you did.
For example let’s say you get a td Now all they have to do is score then go for 2 that’s game.
You want to put yourself in a position to do that instead of giving that to Patrick Mahomes
@@dariusjohnson6013 if you get the ball first you're goal is to get a touchdown and the v two points .... That's what the chiefs were aiming for
Did Collin steal Shannon Sharpe's "Unc" line? I've never heard him refer to himself as "Unc Collin" before...
This is the greatest segment on your show! Ever!
It’s definitely up there
Phenomenal segment!!! James jones brought that 🔥🔥
Kittle had 2 Touches maybe. That’s just sux. JJ is amazing! Shanahan was outcoached!
I love listening to James Jones, he explains the plays so well man!! I'm becoming a big fan of his. Love it!!!👏👏👍
Mahomes already has three times the chips as Rodgers has.😅
This game especially shows how much football is a team game. Mahomes did nothing including throwing a pick the first 3 quarters of the game since the muffed punt touchdown was like the last play of the 3rd quarter . Usually if that happens, the other team is blowing you out. A lot of credit goes to that defense keeping him in the game until he got it figured out. Rodgers only had 2 top 10 defenses in his career and won the Super Bowl one of those times. The rest of the time his defenses were ranked 20th and below most of the time
@@richardruan3378Mahomes still won without top 10 defenses though. So it's not really an argument that he is the most talented QB ever
Not that Mahomes can’t do complete them but rodgers definitely had more jaw dropping throws per game most QBs could only dream of making but Mahomes is more clutch
@@richardruan3378 mahomes makes no look passes and even throws with his left hand. There is no argument to be made for Rodgers (or anyone else for that matter) having more arm talent
Mahomes himself has admitted that stafford and rodgers were doing that long before he was. Never said Mahomes can’t hit those throws. I just said rodgers threw more of those per game. A lot of it has to do with McCarthy never being known for scheming people open and lefluer not really his offense to keep rodgers happy and Mahomes has Reid consistently scheming people open so he doesn’t need magic on every play or every game to win
Jones and Keyshawn need to have their own show! Always a great take!
BIG RED IS A RED HOT PLAY CALLER !
good insights
James Jones was awesome, bring him on the show more!
Papa Red always giving us good things
JJ is the best guest Colin has ever had on to discuss football. I’d love to see him get his own show! 😎
Love listening to James jones
Shanahan said the defense being tired had NOTHING to do with them taking the ball in OT.
Yes he did. It’s was one of the three responses he’s given to that question. He is CLEARLY lying. The dude had no idea about the overtime rule change.
I have to give a shout out to Steve Spagnola also...that Chiefs defense was stellar!!!
7:56 it worth mentioning MVS Td was wide open as well.
He has a great point of getting the ball second in OT due to that “extra down” when you know what you need when you get the ball to either win the game or at least stay in it.
Edit: obviously this is due to the new rule change from last year. And them not knowing that rule is inexcusable.
The don't get an "Extra Down" They just didn't go for the Win and it cost them..
The “extra down” refers to KC knowing whether to go for it on 4th down. A big advantage knowing this…..
Yup. All these analyst are over thinking this. It's basically the same as the first OT in college except you have to drive the ball instead of getting it 30 yards out. Getting the ball second allows you to know exactly what is needed
'You don't give an all-time great an extra down, it's hard enough to stop him in THREE downs. You think you're going to stop him on four downs???' That quote says it all.
@@WizzRacing look at the other comments here they will get you up to speed on how to think about this better.
James Jones was excellent here. He is one of the reasons why I love Speak
James jones is always great but this is the best segment I’ve seen him do, excellent analysis
9:05 is my favorite part 😭
This was a great segment plz bring JJ back
49er's defense was on the field on last drive in regulation.......so was exhausted.
Exactly I think that's the only reason they took the ball first in OT😊
@@geelove44 No it was because Kyle was thinking that KC would just match whatever the Niners did and then he would get the ball again. What Kyle assumed was incorrect however because no matter what, KC was going for the win per their coach.
What a masterpiece interview from James Jones on The Herd
JJ spittin 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great guest
Great content. Agree...
Jones is great…love the conversation!
I love listening to JJ, my IQ goes up each time.
Kittle, and Warren should’ve been used way more in that game.
You're right about that James Jones!!!
Jones is such a great guest
Great analysis. Great job pointing out Reid getting it done on offense vs Shanahan
...but will add that the offenses were pretty close to each other in points and yards. Chiefs, however, got it done at the right times-including their ONLY LONG TD drive the whole game- happening in OT.
James Jones is Brilliant. Well said and on Target
Wow!!! Fantastic insight into the heart of a Champion.
The chiefs OL was also tired so being tired is no excuse, This is the SB! And it's Mahomes with 4 downs! 😊
James Jones is Awesome
The difference between the HOF coach and the unprepared coach.
Great take of the game
Good points being made
Kyle literally said “we want the ball Fred” they knew the rules. Horrible call
James Jones is that dude!
James Jones 🎯🎯💯💯
This was great
Hahahaha Patrick Mahomes was mics up and he say they took the ball😮….😂….. Andy Reid was playing chess while kyle shanahan was learning how to play checker😂
Agree about Reid. Give Reid credit.
Great take j.j u a smart man
Maybe your best interview ever.
You never take the ball first in college or pro football in OT. It was a mistake
It was a horrible decision. Detroit made horrible decisions too…. Oh the irony
@@gunnznbutter7959 Detroit’s loss to the 49ers was not because of horrible decisions. The entire team self imploded in the second half of that game. Dropped passes, a fumble, missed tackles, special teams play where the gunner steps in the end zone instead of downing it at the 1, the missed interception that goes right through his hands and bounces of his face mask, etc…
JJ holding Shanahan and Colin accountable…Good Job, JJ
You know Colin was trying to goad him about Purdy and JJ shut that down. JJ was one of Purdy's biggest detractors this year but I think he got JJ's respect with that S performance.
JJ -- pure GOLD!!!
They never talk about the missed holding calls.
Colin , don’t ever call your self uncle Colin again . There’s only 1 uncle in sports media and that’s uncle Shay , Shannon Sharpe !
Great interview and take by James Jones..... But please don't call yourself uncle Colin lol
JJ - I would have to throw up on the field .
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Guys. This was such a GREAT game ! We can debate decisions all year long . The best team won. Both team actually made mistakes that , if the score was different (which the PAT would have done) , we could be criticizing the Chiefs instead. Let's just enjoy the competiton BOTH teams displayed and celebrate the game and congratulate the Chiefs. Thanks so much for all the effort both teams and they both gave it everything they had
One cannot say the best team won unless it was decisive, it could have gone the other way oh so easily. Hats off to Chiefs but Mahomes was not special. He was a whisker away from losing to a near rookie QB.
But he didn't lose 😊😊
All great teams SB teams have in common 1. Qbs Great drives in big second half .. 2 Defenses win Championships, clutchplays or stops 3. Coaching.. special teams... Big time teams come up big after the halftime. 3qter or 4qter..
James is totally right.