The nickname Gretzky earned is "The Great One" for a reason lol hockey fans never need to have debates about "who's the GOAT" or "will xyz player catch up and be #1". Probably the reason why the media doesn't really talk hockey; not really any debate conversation to be had. Every answer is always "Gretzky".
Gretzky is so much farther ahead of anyone ever in terms of team sports. In terms of points, Gretzky is at 2857 and second place is at 1921. That would be like Kareem having 38,387 total points in second place and LeBron being at like 55,000. It's unfathomable how much Gretzky dominated in hockey.
Since we got the random Gretzky mention, I'm gonna bring up the craziest sports stat that I saw recently. The highest scoring group of brothers in NHL history is the Sutters with 2936 career points. Those came from Brett (829), Brian (636), Ron (535), Duane (342), Rich (315), and Darryl (279). The second highest is the Gretzky brothers at 2861 points. Wayne got 2857, Brent Gretsky got 4.
That is insane, but for me, I would say the craziest stat is this... Gretzky is the only NHL player to ever hit 2000 in his career, but nearly 100 players have managed to hit 1000 points. The fastest player to get to 1000 points is Wayne Gretzky, who did it in 424 games. The second fastest is... Wayne Gretzky, who took 433 more games to get ANOTHER 1000 points. The third is Mario Lemieux, who got his first 1000 in 513 games. No one else has done it in fewer than 650 games.
I would say the craziest state for me is this... Gretzky, with 2857 career points, is the only NHL player to ever hit 2000 in his career. The fastest player to get to 1000 points is Wayne Gretzky, who did it in 424 games. The second fastest is... Wayne Gretzky, who took 433 more games to get ANOTHER 1000 points. The third is Mario Lemieux, who got his first 1000 in 513 games. No one else has done it in fewer than 650.
@@theoriginaltroll388 Mostly because the NHL has never gotten on non-cable TV regularly. I am in my mid-50s, and I haven't had cable in a decade, it is 2024.
You need to adjust for how many people play the sport. Being 20% better than the everyone your age group that ever tried to throw a football (ie almost every american in your age group) versus being 50% better than everyone your age group that ever tried ice hockey in the 90s (a few dozen thousand people at best). I know which one I find more rare and impressive. 50 td's is enough to surpass a 90 goal ice hockey season in the 90s in terms of athletic feat.
@@BubblesBub434 Sure, in the US. Football is rarely played outside the US or overall NA. Ice hockey has been played in Canada, US, USSR/Russia (tho in the 60s/70s/80s there weren't NHLers from east of the Iron Curtain), Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia. I get your point, I just don't think the gap worldwide is as big as you may think. American Football isn't very global. Watched, maybe, but not played.
@@BubblesBub434 This is a really stupid take. For one thing I assume that you aren't aware of how many people play hockey outside of North America, as opposed to how many people play American football...
@@BubblesBub434 And completely disagree it's more impressive. only 1 man has reached 90 goals in a season. Three QBs have thrown for 50. Tho Hull and Lemieux did hit the mid-80s so maybe 90 is more akin to 60 TDs
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It’s indicative of having a good OC, and Shanahan is sort of the opposite where he’s going with a cheaper QB contract route instead. You can go all in like the Rams did, but that only works for a year or two at most before the salary cap comes in and guts the team.
Nah I don’t know about that he was much more “surgical” with The cheetah.. if anything it’s the best thing to happen to their defense because it got way better the offense ain’t as good
Mahomes would still have evolved as a complete QB if Tyreek was still there. I don’t agree with all the Chiefs wouldn’t be here if they didn’t trade Reek talk.
Gretzky is a guy who has the nickname "The Great One". Hockey fans live in peace knowing they have definitive answers and no "debates" to be had. That's actually probably one reason why the media dislikes hockey so much, since they can't have debate shows around it.
The nba has this too, but lebron built a marketing career off pretend and many personalities built careers off the fake debate. Imagine the 12th or so best player historically weaseling his way into a GOAT debate. We don't credibly call wilt or Jerry west the GOATS and that's the tier bron is in, although I'd probably take wilt before him
Same man… same hahaha I’m from NB and I never ever hear them talk hockey, and I mean most times it’s for the better because there a little clueless on the sport but none the less I wish we could get more NHL takes especially during the playoffs, don’t get me wrong I love the NFL playoffs but nothing in sports compares to the quest for the cup, and I’m cool with just about every sport idk why more Americans aren’t into hockey it’s the best live sport to watch in person or on TV. I don’t get it there missing out on a time and a half
@@BrandonBelliveau-b2t I think it’s because hockey is seen as a very expensive white, usually Canadian, or at least Northerner sport. If you’re not from a hockey family, grow up with friends who like hockey, or in states like Minnesota, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, it’s harder to get into. It’s only mainstream in about 10 of the 50 states. I grew up in Northwest Indiana, so hockey wasn’t a big deal since Indiana is a basketball state, and only was exposed to hockey through video games and the Stanley Cup Playoffs on TV. The Blackhawks were a joke and weren’t really on TV, and then when they got good, we started watching playoffs and my mom became a diehard Blackhawks fan. I didn’t get into it hardcore for awhile because no one around me was a big hockey fan. I became hardcore when I was a sophomore in university in Southeast Michigan where hockey is much more mainstream, Red Wings apparel being worn is very common. Additionally, hockey isn’t a primarily school based sport because it’s so expensive and most areas don’t publicly fund rinks (Minnesota is the only state that really does), and school based sports are big in the States. NCAA hockey is the most regional niche thing ever, most universities don’t have D1 hockey, making it harder to get into hockey on a grassroots level. Plus, there aren’t many rinks in most of the country: you don’t find ice rinks in most of the poor urban nor rural/small town areas of the States
I remember looking at a graphic someone made for the top 5 players for points and the gap between Gretzky and 2 was more enormous than the gap between 2 and 5. It's ridiculous
@@dakota8381So why doesn’t anyone else from his time have even close to his numbers ? If it was just goalies then the league would’ve had many more ppl with his numbers.
If you didn't grow up in the 90s you don't realize just how big Gretzky was. I'm a black dude, never watched a hockey game in my life (live or tv) and I knew Gretzky the same way I knew Jordan, etc. Dude was in cartoons, cereals, everything and was a clear GOAT. All the way from Canada too.
They don't need to chase a receiver. They need to grab Edelman and Welker types. Chris Jones is not replaceable. Hes worth 3 more seasons at 35 mil which is more than Donald. He will live up to that contract. Guarantee 69 million and give a sizable signing bonus and a team option on the 3rd year. Lots of big dominators like Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Richard Seymour...they played late into their 30s at a high level. Jones makes crunch time plays, you cant teach that.
Good thing about the off season is Chiefs will be a team people will want to go to since there is a chance for the 3peat. Chris Jones may also not want as much as he did before with the legacy of a 3peat on the line. The first 2 things Chiefs need to do is lock down the contract for Sneed and CJ. Who knows Mahomes might have a historical contract rework too since legacy>money is his mind set.
@@jackwoods9604no that’s not the case we have many cases of RBs DEs & others getting it I went back to about 1990 and atleast 15 times it was someone other then a QB Also pat didn’t play bad he might have started slow but in each SB besides Tampa he turned up in the second half
I love how Nick looks out for Sneed as a human and a friend and not just a roster component. Recognizing “hey man, we’d all die to have you back on the chiefs, but you gotta take this moment to look out for you” - respect.
@@marlonthemightysmith7836stop virtue signaling. In history there were multiple gods. And everyone’s beliefs are different. Not every person Alive believes in monotheistic practices. If you praise Jesus that’s fine but keep that bs virtue signaling to yourself. It just makes you come off as an ignoramus.
@@raul1231If Patrick mahomes is smart, he'll a take a pay cut to pay him more and be try to get him in his commercials. So they start paying him they overgot. Travis Kelsey and the State Farm commercials. Imagine they have Christians you've seen Aaron. Donald and commercials like why can't we see Chris? That way you could also paint him less. I mean, I don't know why they have a done this yet.
You wanna know how bad it is? The 49ers have had the best roster in football for the last four years. They don't talk about dynasty. They talk about winning one more SuperBowl. Mahomes, who has never had the best roster in football, is talking dynasty. Chiefs are making the rest of the NFL less ambitious.
@@jimmyb267 nobody remembers a loser.. nobody finds losing impressive.. if the chiefs went to the Super Bowl 4 times and played the 49ers and won.. people would use that as a fault of “chiefs had it easy the 49ers can’t win the big game” nobody looks at someone who loses 4 times in a row and says wow that’s impressive 😂
Gretzky "only" won 4 Stanley Cups and ranks tied for 50th all-time. Most by a single player is 11. Still, he is the undisputed GOAT in hockey. Winning the title is much more about the team and franchise than an individual Stat. That's why Mahomes will go down as the GOAT over Brady barring catastrophe to his career.
Who's saying Mahomes is going to play when he reaches 38 to 40 years old. Reid could be gone by the time (15) reaches 35. And I'll say again 7 SB's and 11 NBA titles are unheard of.
Gretzky is the most dominant athlete that ever played a sport. He is so much better then anyone else that ever played and likely will ever play hockey that it seems like a movie.
@josenunez611people at least argue the goat in soccer with Messi and Ronaldo. There just isn't a debate in hockey. No one has dominated a sport as hard as Gretzky did.
Tom Brady's 9 year drought was when he was trying to carry a bad Patriots team on his back, and he couldn't do it. Mahomes willed that team to the first one, while he was still a kid. That fact alone is why I think Mahomes is better than Brady.
Not really... Brady literally lost 2 Super Bowls to Lottery-Level Catches by Giants receivers.... especially in 07. Only reason for the "drought" in his career...
@@JohnClarkW Ummmm, no. Brady never went 7 years without a SB appearance.... the most was 4 years. (Pats) 01 - Won (Pats) 03 - Won (Pats) 04 - Won (Pats) 07 - Lost (Pats) 11 - Lost (Pats) 14 - Won (Pats) 16 - Won (Pats) 17 - Lost (Pats) 18 - Won (Bucs) 20 - Won
The moment we signed Andy Reid was the moment my brother and I knew kc was in for a change. Thank you, Andy and Brett Veach, for this team and creating a kc dynasty!
I kind of think Butker should have gotten Come Back Player of the Year award after dealing with the injuries and down year last year, he was absolutely money this year.
Tell Chris Jones to call Tyreek to see if he has buyers remorse watching the playoffs the past few years on his couch in MIA. Cash is fleeting. Legacy is forever.
Thing is Reek was offered about 5 mil less a year by KC, he would have made way more than that in endorsements over time with the Chiefs. Look at the money Mahomes, Kelce and even Reid are making now from commercials, you can’t turn on the TV without seeing them. Reek is absolutely looking back and regretting not having THAT legacy.
Getting to 2 SB's in a row is hard, and getting to a third straight is even harder because football is a HARD sport to play. Injuries will be the #1 reason for the Chiefs not making their next SB
The last point made by Brou about Brady not having great receivers until the 07 season is an under discussed point when comparing Brady and Mahomes early success. The edge is given to Mahomes based off of statistics but Mahomes also benefits from hall of fame talent on the offensive side of the ball paired with Andy Ried as a play caller. Not saying these are the sole reasons behind Mahomes success but it does help his raw stats
8:00. More details Nick. 1990---Montana was out of that game with a broken hand. O line so worried about LT , Carl Banks got through and crushed him. Montana finishes that game, SF wins that game. Would they have beaten the Bills? We'll never know, but I think they were better than 50/50 there.
Give patrick some kind of Ohtani deal and back load some cash. Jones and Sneed are a must for the three peat and guys like Mike Evans will want to come play in KC for a chance at history
Why is it when I’m talking to Brady fans and I bring up these exact same point I get called a casual they told me I don’t know football like I’m not dropping historical knowledge😂😂
@@JohnClarkW idk man, Gronk has 92 tds in 143 games, Kelce has 74 in 159 games. Gronk averaged 15.0 yards per reception, Kelce is at 12.5. Kelce does average 6 more yards per game but he's a SIGNIFICANTLY worse blocker than Gronk. The only thing Kelce really has over Gronk is better health. Which is obviously very important but it's not the most important. I mean Terell Davis is better than Frank Gore, and Sterling Sharpe is better than Michael Irvin and Andrew Luck is better than Philip Rivers despite those guys getting injured far more than the other players listed. I'm just saying, it's not really an absurd opinion to say Gronk was better than Kelce or that it's a very close debate.
Gretzky is for me the easiest GOAT to select in all of the four major North American sports, though I know people disagree. Having more assists than anyone else has goals AND assists is crazy.
Hill was a toxic personality, and I think KC is happier without him. He dropped the ball in clutch situations, including both playoff losses to the Bengals. He is just Kadarius Toney, but faster, and dumber.
@@coreymcmillen381 jordan was called the goat after 3 rings even tho Bill had 11. Bolt Definitely dominated like Gretzky, Mahomes has probably best start to a career. I would still put Gretzky at 1 but it's fair to compare him to other goats lol.
Individual sports and team sports GOATs you gotta separate cuz otherwise Phelps wins everything. Gretzky is the greatest team sport player of all time and it isn't even close.
@@coreymcmillen381Usaine Bolt didn't dominate his sport? Wtf is this take lol 😂 He dominated every single person who's ever tried to run really fast in human history, by margins we've never seen, against the strongest fields of all time.
Brady Discipline , the Tuck rule , Spygate on Eagles and St Louis Rams, Deflate Gate . Mahomes joyful fun uplifting QB Mahomes is not a great QB but a fun good QB and probably a good person
Messi by age 22. -4 straight Ballon d'Or -Guinness World Records 91 goal in a calendar year - Barcelona all time scorer -3 European golden shoes - 3 champions leage. -multiple la liga and domestic cups.
Lol dude and people actually liked that stupid take. Now say at what age he started playing professional football/soccer with Barca. As if any 15-16 years old would ever play in the NFL. You can't compare the two at all.
Gretzky was a Phenom of Epic Prorportions in NHL history . He was a Unicorn . He set Single Seaaon Records never seen before . Mahomes hasn't done that as an NFL QB so far . Mahomes will never be the GOAT. For one thing Roger Goodell is a Swiftie and clearly Rigged that Chiefs Playoffs and SB last Season . The 49ers practiced at a High School Field and the Chiefs practiced at the 5.7 Billionn Dollar Rams Sofi Stadium before SB 58 ? The Chiefs had the most holding penalties all last Season . They hardly had any in the Post Season ? Total Rig Job . So any SB the Chiefs Win as long as the Taylor and Travis Relationshiop bring inMillions of Dollars to the NFL ? The Chiefs Dynasty would be an Asterisk Championship Run ✳️ 🏆 Brady retired with every Passing Record Ever in the Regular Season , Playoffs , and SBs All Time Be 18 - 0 in a season Be one of the Youngest and the Oldest SB MVP in AFC and NFC . 7 Rings in 10 SBs 5 SB MVPs 3MVPs Most Starts and Wins ever Has beat all 32 Teams at least once . 96 Percent of Bill Belichik"s Post Season Career as a Head Coach was beacause of Brady's Play and Coaching . Mahomes can't or will not match or exceed that .
Mahomes relies on his mobility to a pretty large extent - how many years does he have left with this level of mobility? And acting like this current state is his floor, when he has one of the 2 best playoff receiving options in NFL history, and the best offensive coach of all time, is kind of insane. They’re going to lose both of them in the next few years, and then they’ll absolutely start losing against teams that they maybe shouldn’t - just like the Patriots.
Always love seeing Hockey get some love. For this convo of best first 7 years its definitely Gretzky, he won the cup multiple times, was MVP every year and absolutely dominated statistically in a way no one has ever been able to touch.
I been arguing peak vs longevity for a while now with Mahomes. He's the best we've ever seen, his peak is the highest we've ever seen and it wasn't 6-8 years into his career when it started... it was from day 1 - until further notice, it's insane
@@THE_BEAR_JEW Which is NORMAL because it became gradually less talent around him.. That happens when you pay the QB, now you have to draft and develop well… But what is not NORMAL is the level of success hasn’t dipped.. it ramped up actually. The man just did sumthin not seen in 19 years😭😭😭 nice try kid but Pat resume is teflon, I don’t think casual football fans understand that Chiefs we’re not supposed to win last year and definitely not this year. These are what you call rebuild/retooling years were you draft and develop the young guys you newly acquired, were you go through a lot of growing pains. But instead they repeat as champions it’s impossibly great
@@WeRacin I’m not saying he sucks or anything, but you’re acting like he’s stayed at 50 tds or something. His numbers show he peaked that year and has come down… it’s not a sustained peak.
I find it amazing how much they move the goal posts towards mahommes, for brady they were discussing if hes the goat after his fifth and now they crown the other after 3, now the style of play doesnt matter, the fact that defenses cant do a fraction of the things and that points total went way up and the quality of play went down.
Nice of Nick to enlighten those who don't know much about Gretzky. For what it's worth here's a comparison between Brady and Gretzky, in terms of being a league leader (includes ties). Gretzky: Goals 5x Assists: 16x Points: 11x Brady: Passing Yards: 4x Touchdown Passes: 5x Completion %: 1x
Only 7 people have won 3 national titles and 2 MVP’s in their first seven seasons. Bill Russell Larry bird Stan Musial Joe DiMaggio Mickey mantle & Guy Lafeur Mahoney basically did it in 6. Can you say 8th wonder of the sports world !!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I love Wildes, but I'm very tired of Pats fans chalking up SB46 to a lucky Manningham catch. Manning had the most GW drives that season, and It was 1st down with 3:45 left, and there was so much precision involved in completing that catch on both ends. It's in a completely different stratosphere than the Tyree catch, in terms of luck
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Chiefs need AJ Brown or Deeboo Sammy lol
7 MVPs in 7 years is nuts
The nickname Gretzky earned is "The Great One" for a reason lol hockey fans never need to have debates about "who's the GOAT" or "will xyz player catch up and be #1". Probably the reason why the media doesn't really talk hockey; not really any debate conversation to be had. Every answer is always "Gretzky".
@@SalKhayerright. People thought Crosby would catch him early on but unless you win mvp your first two years, you’re automatically out
truly nuts lol
Closest player to Gretzky’s all time record is Jagr and he is over 900 points off lol
Gretzky is so much farther ahead of anyone ever in terms of team sports. In terms of points, Gretzky is at 2857 and second place is at 1921. That would be like Kareem having 38,387 total points in second place and LeBron being at like 55,000. It's unfathomable how much Gretzky dominated in hockey.
Since we got the random Gretzky mention, I'm gonna bring up the craziest sports stat that I saw recently. The highest scoring group of brothers in NHL history is the Sutters with 2936 career points. Those came from Brett (829), Brian (636), Ron (535), Duane (342), Rich (315), and Darryl (279). The second highest is the Gretzky brothers at 2861 points. Wayne got 2857, Brent Gretsky got 4.
That is crazy
Giannis and Thenasis 👀😂
Brent sold 😂
The man was bonkers
That is insane, but for me, I would say the craziest stat is this... Gretzky is the only NHL player to ever hit 2000 in his career, but nearly 100 players have managed to hit 1000 points.
The fastest player to get to 1000 points is Wayne Gretzky, who did it in 424 games.
The second fastest is... Wayne Gretzky, who took 433 more games to get ANOTHER 1000 points.
The third is Mario Lemieux, who got his first 1000 in 513 games.
No one else has done it in fewer than 650 games.
Gretzky with 7 MVP's in 7 years is the craziest thing
I think that's why he's not used in comparing athletes. That's a crazy Stat.
If we do not count his goals and only his assists, he would still be first all time in total points… ah and he is first in goals also btw
@@racicop13not for much longer lol
@@ronniekregar3482 ovi is slowing down, i think gretzky might keep the record. Maybe matthews 10 years down the line tho
I would say the craziest state for me is this... Gretzky, with 2857 career points, is the only NHL player to ever hit 2000 in his career.
The fastest player to get to 1000 points is Wayne Gretzky, who did it in 424 games.
The second fastest is... Wayne Gretzky, who took 433 more games to get ANOTHER 1000 points.
The third is Mario Lemieux, who got his first 1000 in 513 games.
No one else has done it in fewer than 650.
Gretzky getting some love on FTF is wilddd
I wasn't sure why he's always all pro but he is really good. 🔥
Noone will ever pass Wayne as the goat in hockey. He's the goat forever and ever
Most people in America don't even know who that is
Never had an NHL team but I remember his name and now I see why.
@@theoriginaltroll388 Mostly because the NHL has never gotten on non-cable TV regularly. I am in my mid-50s, and I haven't had cable in a decade, it is 2024.
Gretzky's 92 goal season is always going to be insane. Honestly I think it's the football equivalent of throwing 70 TDs
You need to adjust for how many people play the sport. Being 20% better than the everyone your age group that ever tried to throw a football (ie almost every american in your age group) versus being 50% better than everyone your age group that ever tried ice hockey in the 90s (a few dozen thousand people at best). I know which one I find more rare and impressive. 50 td's is enough to surpass a 90 goal ice hockey season in the 90s in terms of athletic feat.
@@BubblesBub434 Sure, in the US. Football is rarely played outside the US or overall NA. Ice hockey has been played in Canada, US, USSR/Russia (tho in the 60s/70s/80s there weren't NHLers from east of the Iron Curtain), Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia.
I get your point, I just don't think the gap worldwide is as big as you may think. American Football isn't very global. Watched, maybe, but not played.
@@BubblesBub434 This is a really stupid take. For one thing I assume that you aren't aware of how many people play hockey outside of North America, as opposed to how many people play American football...
@@BubblesBub434 And completely disagree it's more impressive. only 1 man has reached 90 goals in a season. Three QBs have thrown for 50. Tho Hull and Lemieux did hit the mid-80s so maybe 90 is more akin to 60 TDs
Kobe dropping 81
Gretzky had 9 MVPs in 10 years. In '84 he had a record 92 goals and 212 points - second place had 64 G, 147 P. He was 65 points ahead!
This is actually one of the best segments of analysis post super bowl I've seen this week
Nick better than me. I’d have been dropping banners, sitting on the throne & dropping balloons & confetti all week 😂😂😂
He’s been more humble than I thought he’d be so far this week. Nowhere near as much as last year. Maybe he’s gotten used to winning lol.
He deserve to be completely obnoxious.
All anyone would have to do is pull up to the set driving an ambulance dressed in black and white
@@Ultra-BLV Because Nick Know That Mahomes Has Not Played Good in Any of His SB Appearances
@@jackwoods9604Did you watch the show? Have you ever seen stats for QBs in superbowls?
One of the best sports shows on today. Informative and entertaining. I actually laugh out loud listening to these guys sometimes. Great job guys. Keep it up!
“Several vapes” 😂😂😂
Never change, Wildes.
Right? Lmao
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Trading Tyreek was the best possible thing Andy Reid could have done for the long-term development of Mahomes to evolve & grow. He's become surgical.
It’s indicative of having a good OC, and Shanahan is sort of the opposite where he’s going with a cheaper QB contract route instead. You can go all in like the Rams did, but that only works for a year or two at most before the salary cap comes in and guts the team.
Nah I don’t know about that he was much more “surgical” with The cheetah.. if anything it’s the best thing to happen to their defense because it got way better the offense ain’t as good
I did the same thing on Madden nobody calls me a genius😂
Mahomes would still have evolved as a complete QB if Tyreek was still there. I don’t agree with all the Chiefs wouldn’t be here if they didn’t trade Reek talk.
@usernamesrlamo chiefs wouldn't have the secondary they have without that trade.
Gretzky is a guy who has the nickname "The Great One". Hockey fans live in peace knowing they have definitive answers and no "debates" to be had. That's actually probably one reason why the media dislikes hockey so much, since they can't have debate shows around it.
Underrated take right here, I can stand on this. Sadly still wish we got more hockey analytics
The nba has this too, but lebron built a marketing career off pretend and many personalities built careers off the fake debate.
Imagine the 12th or so best player historically weaseling his way into a GOAT debate.
We don't credibly call wilt or Jerry west the GOATS and that's the tier bron is in, although I'd probably take wilt before him
@@IknowMoreThanYouSorry, but not buying that LeBron is not legitimately in the GOAT debate, with all due respect to many other greats.
@@IknowMoreThanYouOnly thing you fot wrong was that LeBron built the goat debate. That came from the media both lovers and haters.
@@IknowMoreThanYouYou'd have to be stupid to think lebron isn't by the bare minimum top 10.
Chris Jones is without a doubt the third most important player on the team. Patrick, Travis, Chris. Those three guys are the Chiefs.
Were missing two of those three opening night and still coulda beat the Lions.
T-Swift?
Butker is 2nd
@@kleatise52 this year most definitely
As a Canadian this is wild hearing ftf talking about hockey
I’m from the States and I love it
It's still called the NHL, not the AHL...
I'm soaking it in haha won't happen again
Same man… same hahaha I’m from NB and I never ever hear them talk hockey, and I mean most times it’s for the better because there a little clueless on the sport but none the less I wish we could get more NHL takes especially during the playoffs, don’t get me wrong I love the NFL playoffs but nothing in sports compares to the quest for the cup, and I’m cool with just about every sport idk why more Americans aren’t into hockey it’s the best live sport to watch in person or on TV. I don’t get it there missing out on a time and a half
@@BrandonBelliveau-b2t I think it’s because hockey is seen as a very expensive white, usually Canadian, or at least Northerner sport. If you’re not from a hockey family, grow up with friends who like hockey, or in states like Minnesota, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, it’s harder to get into. It’s only mainstream in about 10 of the 50 states.
I grew up in Northwest Indiana, so hockey wasn’t a big deal since Indiana is a basketball state, and only was exposed to hockey through video games and the Stanley Cup Playoffs on TV. The Blackhawks were a joke and weren’t really on TV, and then when they got good, we started watching playoffs and my mom became a diehard Blackhawks fan. I didn’t get into it hardcore for awhile because no one around me was a big hockey fan. I became hardcore when I was a sophomore in university in Southeast Michigan where hockey is much more mainstream, Red Wings apparel being worn is very common.
Additionally, hockey isn’t a primarily school based sport because it’s so expensive and most areas don’t publicly fund rinks (Minnesota is the only state that really does), and school based sports are big in the States. NCAA hockey is the most regional niche thing ever, most universities don’t have D1 hockey, making it harder to get into hockey on a grassroots level. Plus, there aren’t many rinks in most of the country: you don’t find ice rinks in most of the poor urban nor rural/small town areas of the States
Wayne Gretzky’s statistics look like actual video game numbers. He has been the undisputed GOAT for close to 35 years now.
I remember looking at a graphic someone made for the top 5 players for points and the gap between Gretzky and 2 was more enormous than the gap between 2 and 5. It's ridiculous
Yeah. He's the goat of goats. Don't e en watch hockey, but a man had 7 mvps in 7 straight seasons. What can you say
Goaltenders were also EONS worse than they are nowadays. You put Ov in Gretzky's era and he already the scoring record.
@@dakota8381So why doesn’t anyone else from his time have even close to his numbers ? If it was just goalies then the league would’ve had many more ppl with his numbers.
The analysis of first things first clears any sports talk show. They are the best.
If you didn't grow up in the 90s you don't realize just how big Gretzky was. I'm a black dude, never watched a hockey game in my life (live or tv) and I knew Gretzky the same way I knew Jordan, etc. Dude was in cartoons, cereals, everything and was a clear GOAT. All the way from Canada too.
You know how true that is. I heard about him and I'm in the UK. Can't tell you any other hockey player names 😅
They don't need to chase a receiver. They need to grab Edelman and Welker types. Chris Jones is not replaceable. Hes worth 3 more seasons at 35 mil which is more than Donald. He will live up to that contract. Guarantee 69 million and give a sizable signing bonus and a team option on the 3rd year. Lots of big dominators like Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Richard Seymour...they played late into their 30s at a high level. Jones makes crunch time plays, you cant teach that.
Good thing about the off season is Chiefs will be a team people will want to go to since there is a chance for the 3peat. Chris Jones may also not want as much as he did before with the legacy of a 3peat on the line. The first 2 things Chiefs need to do is lock down the contract for Sneed and CJ. Who knows Mahomes might have a historical contract rework too since legacy>money is his mind set.
Mahomes having 3 rings and only 4 double digit losses is ACTUALLY insane
And He Has Played Bad in Every SB Game He Was in
@@jackwoods9604yet was the mvp in all of them clown😂
@@AhmierWilliams-oc6zg Dont QBs Usually Win The MVP if Their Team Wins?...Bozo
@@jackwoods9604 um no bozo ask Russell Wilson or Peyton manning clown U TRIED IT🤣
@@jackwoods9604no that’s not the case we have many cases of RBs DEs & others getting it I went back to about 1990 and atleast 15 times it was someone other then a QB
Also pat didn’t play bad he might have started slow but in each SB besides Tampa he turned up in the second half
Wildes is the by far the best part of this show...so quick with the "several vapes" lmao 5:22
I love how Nick looks out for Sneed as a human and a friend and not just a roster component. Recognizing “hey man, we’d all die to have you back on the chiefs, but you gotta take this moment to look out for you” - respect.
Wildes is a comedic god
He is Witty Yea But Not Comedy Funny
Please don't refer to a man as god. You people need to stop disrespecting the lord
@@marlonthemightysmith7836stop virtue signaling. In history there were multiple gods. And everyone’s beliefs are different. Not every person Alive believes in monotheistic practices. If you praise Jesus that’s fine but keep that bs virtue signaling to yourself. It just makes you come off as an ignoramus.
@@keiv2211 well said. Well said indeed.
@@jackwoods9604 I know... just that "several vapes" comment had me rolling lol
Pay CJ and Pay Sneed, draft 2 wrs, then see what cap is left and FA availability.
There's gonna be a team that will offer CJ way more money than the chiefs can. He needs to look out for him and his family.
@@raul1231If Patrick mahomes is smart, he'll a take a pay cut to pay him more and be try to get him in his commercials. So they start paying him they overgot. Travis Kelsey and the State Farm commercials. Imagine they have Christians you've seen Aaron. Donald and commercials like why can't we see Chris? That way you could also paint him less. I mean, I don't know why they have a done this yet.
@@raul1231 he can't take care of his family making $25M? Your comment is incredibly delusional being he's made almost $100M so far....
You wanna know how bad it is? The 49ers have had the best roster in football for the last four years. They don't talk about dynasty. They talk about winning one more SuperBowl. Mahomes, who has never had the best roster in football, is talking dynasty. Chiefs are making the rest of the NFL less ambitious.
I’m ready for them to talk about Doc Rivers
That 90’s Buffalo Bills team went to 4 straight super bowls despite the losses it’s still impressive
No it’s not
@@charleswiley6129 Please explain.
@@jimmyb267 nobody remembers a loser.. nobody finds losing impressive.. if the chiefs went to the Super Bowl 4 times and played the 49ers and won.. people would use that as a fault of “chiefs had it easy the 49ers can’t win the big game” nobody looks at someone who loses 4 times in a row and says wow that’s impressive 😂
Glad to hear somebody give it up for the real MVP #95
I agree!!!
Social media has moved us completely out of enjoying the PRESENT. Saddest thing ever
Gretzky "only" won 4 Stanley Cups and ranks tied for 50th all-time. Most by a single player is 11. Still, he is the undisputed GOAT in hockey. Winning the title is much more about the team and franchise than an individual Stat. That's why Mahomes will go down as the GOAT over Brady barring catastrophe to his career.
This comment is class.
Who's saying Mahomes is going to play when he reaches 38 to 40 years old. Reid could be gone by the time (15) reaches 35. And I'll say again 7 SB's and 11 NBA titles are unheard of.
Best episode yet!
Gretzky is the most dominant athlete that ever played a sport. He is so much better then anyone else that ever played and likely will ever play hockey that it seems like a movie.
Messi is better
@@josenunez611 not even close 😂
@josenunez611people at least argue the goat in soccer with Messi and Ronaldo. There just isn't a debate in hockey. No one has dominated a sport as hard as Gretzky did.
no he isn't
@@HoldenCoughfield Messi and CR7 technically is like having 2 Gretzky at the same time
LeBron is not on MJ level of greatness.
Tom Brady's 9 year drought was when he was trying to carry a bad Patriots team on his back, and he couldn't do it. Mahomes willed that team to the first one, while he was still a kid. That fact alone is why I think Mahomes is better than Brady.
Not really... Brady literally lost 2 Super Bowls to Lottery-Level Catches by Giants receivers.... especially in 07. Only reason for the "drought" in his career...
@andrewmbaba7608 that and the 7 years they didn't get to the super bowl.
@@JohnClarkW Ummmm, no. Brady never went 7 years without a SB appearance.... the most was 4 years.
(Pats) 01 - Won
(Pats) 03 - Won
(Pats) 04 - Won
(Pats) 07 - Lost
(Pats) 11 - Lost
(Pats) 14 - Won
(Pats) 16 - Won
(Pats) 17 - Lost
(Pats) 18 - Won
(Bucs) 20 - Won
Gotta give props to Nick he believed in Mahomes all season
Critical to keep KC Defense in place
Imma start calling him Nick Always Right tbh amazing takes never a doubt
That trade for MHJ in 7 years got me 😂
I’ve been dreaming about this… so happy Nick thought of it too
The moment we signed Andy Reid was the moment my brother and I knew kc was in for a change. Thank you, Andy and Brett Veach, for this team and creating a kc dynasty!
In basketball it is a “three-peat.”
In football it’s called “bundling.”
"That's four words."
"Not if you bundle 'em."
*RRRRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*
I thought it was called futures
Why is no one talking about Butker’s record breaking FG?
I kind of think Butker should have gotten Come Back Player of the Year award after dealing with the injuries and down year last year, he was absolutely money this year.
Gretzky comparison is actually a decent one considering its a crossover sports compare!
He doesn't need more money. You only need so much. Rings and wins mean more
gretzky talk on here is awesome. you can take away every goal he ever scored and he would still have the most points in nhl history
Ovi will break his all time goal record don’t worry
They love their coffee with Kahlua...or Bailey's in it..every morning. Especially Brou 😂 😂 🤣🤣🤣
Tell Chris Jones to call Tyreek to see if he has buyers remorse watching the playoffs the past few years on his couch in MIA. Cash is fleeting. Legacy is forever.
cash is never fleeting... especially not 40 million
Thing is Reek was offered about 5 mil less a year by KC, he would have made way more than that in endorsements over time with the Chiefs. Look at the money Mahomes, Kelce and even Reid are making now from commercials, you can’t turn on the TV without seeing them. Reek is absolutely looking back and regretting not having THAT legacy.
Give me the money all day
He will still go down as a top 10 wr all time
Like they said, it ain't the same if your ain't a QB, he knows he ain't chasing Jerry Rice lol
Take the 💰
I like what Joy Taylor said about the luck factor. "Luck favors the prepared"
Getting to 2 SB's in a row is hard, and getting to a third straight is even harder because football is a HARD sport to play. Injuries will be the #1 reason for the Chiefs not making their next SB
Mahomes Was injured the entire playoff run last year and still Won
We NEED TO KEEP JONES!!!!! he is the leader of the D. Irreplaceable
The last point made by Brou about Brady not having great receivers until the 07 season is an under discussed point when comparing Brady and Mahomes early success. The edge is given to Mahomes based off of statistics but Mahomes also benefits from hall of fame talent on the offensive side of the ball paired with Andy Ried as a play caller. Not saying these are the sole reasons behind Mahomes success but it does help his raw stats
The whole discussion is absurd . They just need big headlines for views
Mahomes has kelsy and that’s it.
Yea but look at bradys defense his first few seasons compared to pats first few defenses
Mahomes SB Statistics are Also Poor...He Has Not Played a Good SB Game Yet
@@williamh.gatesiii8183 giving Andy no credit eh ?
8:00. More details Nick. 1990---Montana was out of that game with a broken hand. O line so worried about LT , Carl Banks got through and crushed him. Montana finishes that game, SF wins that game. Would they have beaten the Bills? We'll never know, but I think they were better than 50/50 there.
On the play you're referencing, Montana sidestepped LT, then was blindsided by DE Leonard Marshall, who was initially blocked on the play.
Give patrick some kind of Ohtani deal and back load some cash. Jones and Sneed are a must for the three peat and guys like Mike Evans will want to come play in KC for a chance at history
That’s a damm fine thought sir thanos mahomes
Not so sure about Evans, he's on his last deal to make $ due to age, and he already has a ring.
@@legitdragon6202 Agreed. Usually you see guys join up like that when they want to get their first ring.
Isn't most of pats money on the back end???
Really great convo!
Why is it when I’m talking to Brady fans and I bring up these exact same point I get called a casual they told me I don’t know football like I’m not dropping historical knowledge😂😂
Because Brady and Gronk fans are completely irrational. Anyone still holding onto the Gronk as the best TE can't be right in the head.
@JohnClarkW BRUH FACTZ the only thing goated about grok was his medical staff to help him through all them injuries shout out to them😂
@@AhmierWilliams-oc6zglaughing at a person’s medical issues ain’t it man. Smh
@@JohnClarkW idk man, Gronk has 92 tds in 143 games, Kelce has 74 in 159 games. Gronk averaged 15.0 yards per reception, Kelce is at 12.5. Kelce does average 6 more yards per game but he's a SIGNIFICANTLY worse blocker than Gronk. The only thing Kelce really has over Gronk is better health. Which is obviously very important but it's not the most important. I mean Terell Davis is better than Frank Gore, and Sterling Sharpe is better than Michael Irvin and Andrew Luck is better than Philip Rivers despite those guys getting injured far more than the other players listed.
I'm just saying, it's not really an absurd opinion to say Gronk was better than Kelce or that it's a very close debate.
Heres to hoping they bring up hockey more often
3 PEAT
Let’s go baby!! ❤
Gretzky is for me the easiest GOAT to select in all of the four major North American sports, though I know people disagree. Having more assists than anyone else has goals AND assists is crazy.
Not with only 4 titles in 20 years; and the guy won nothing after he left the Oilers in 1988
Biggest reason Chiefs dont repeat is if Patrick Mahomes gets injured.
If Chris Jones leaves
"not even the warriors" is hilarious
This isn’t about just another ring though. This is a decision to chase money or chase the history.
Chasing history= rings.
A 3 peat is just so exhausting in any sport
Gretzky, Brady and Jordan. 3 headed goat and none of them will be replaced. 🐐 💯
Nick slid that Marvin Harrison Jr prediction/joke in at the last minute 😅
3PEAT ON DECK
Never a Doubt
Watching this now, hope y’all are good if you’re at the parade 🙏
I can see tyreek going back after his contract
U dum hill then took so many shots at the chiefs and said him and Mahomes wasn’t close like Mahomes and kelce
Hill was a toxic personality, and I think KC is happier without him. He dropped the ball in clutch situations, including both playoff losses to the Bengals. He is just Kadarius Toney, but faster, and dumber.
This is the realest take ever, Chris Fn Jones
Comparing anyone to Gretzky is a bad take.
Nah Mahomes, jordan, bolts kind is a fair take.
Agree to disagree; none of those guys dominated their sport like Gretzky did.
@@coreymcmillen381 jordan was called the goat after 3 rings even tho Bill had 11. Bolt Definitely dominated like Gretzky, Mahomes has probably best start to a career. I would still put Gretzky at 1 but it's fair to compare him to other goats lol.
Individual sports and team sports GOATs you gotta separate cuz otherwise Phelps wins everything.
Gretzky is the greatest team sport player of all time and it isn't even close.
@@coreymcmillen381Usaine Bolt didn't dominate his sport?
Wtf is this take lol 😂
He dominated every single person who's ever tried to run really fast in human history, by margins we've never seen, against the strongest fields of all time.
Nick is a real historian.... gotta respect that
I'd love if they got Diggs and beat Buffalo again 😂
Won't take a pay cut. You already know this.
While that'd be hilarious and briefly thought about it today, not sure want a trade/ contract/attitude, keep him in Buffalo 😂
Brady Discipline , the Tuck rule , Spygate on Eagles and St Louis Rams, Deflate Gate . Mahomes joyful fun uplifting QB Mahomes is not a great QB but a fun good QB and probably a good person
Messi by age 22.
-4 straight Ballon d'Or
-Guinness World Records 91 goal in a calendar year
- Barcelona all time scorer
-3 European golden shoes
- 3 champions leage.
-multiple la liga and domestic cups.
Lol dude and people actually liked that stupid take. Now say at what age he started playing professional football/soccer with Barca. As if any 15-16 years old would ever play in the NFL. You can't compare the two at all.
Except you can’t play professional football at a young age like soccer. Soccer fans always want to stick their terrible sport into American football.
Bruh😂😂😂😂😂😂. Messi won his 1st ballon d'or at 21 in 2009. Ronaldo won it in 2008.
Weak take😂
@@LegacyFlash15it’s the #1 sport globally, outstrips the NFL by like 2bn+ viewers
I freakin hate the Chiefs. But a 3 peat would be legendary. Can't deny it.
I hate to break hearts here but it’s actually the Vikings bowl next year
Down syndrome?
Vikings won't even make the playoffs, Greenbay bout to own this division.
kevin wildes burner account ?
Dallas will be there before the Vikings I got Detroit next year
Gretzky was a Phenom of Epic Prorportions in NHL history . He was a Unicorn . He set Single Seaaon Records never seen before . Mahomes hasn't done that as an NFL QB so far .
Mahomes will never be the GOAT. For one thing Roger Goodell is a Swiftie and clearly Rigged that Chiefs Playoffs and SB last Season . The 49ers practiced at a High School Field and the Chiefs practiced at the 5.7 Billionn Dollar Rams Sofi Stadium before SB 58 ? The Chiefs had the most holding penalties all last Season . They hardly had any in the Post Season ? Total Rig Job . So any SB the Chiefs Win as long as the Taylor and Travis Relationshiop bring inMillions of Dollars to the NFL ? The Chiefs Dynasty would be an Asterisk Championship Run ✳️ 🏆
Brady retired with every Passing Record Ever in the Regular Season , Playoffs , and SBs All Time
Be 18 - 0 in a season
Be one of the Youngest and the Oldest SB MVP in AFC and NFC .
7 Rings in 10 SBs
5 SB MVPs
3MVPs
Most Starts and Wins ever
Has beat all 32 Teams at least once .
96 Percent of Bill Belichik"s Post Season Career as a Head Coach was beacause of Brady's Play and Coaching . Mahomes can't or will not match or exceed that .
How is it legendary when the AFC lets them moonwalk into every Super Bowl
Moonwalk? If you think they had an easy road you need to look in the mirror
@@Inverted_big_toehe’s a casual fan who doesn’t watch football
AFC the better conference how did they moonwalk?
AFC sucks burrow was injured Lamar and Josh overrated and haven’t won nothing tua garbage like cam said
Mahomes relies on his mobility to a pretty large extent - how many years does he have left with this level of mobility?
And acting like this current state is his floor, when he has one of the 2 best playoff receiving options in NFL history, and the best offensive coach of all time, is kind of insane.
They’re going to lose both of them in the next few years, and then they’ll absolutely start losing against teams that they maybe shouldn’t - just like the Patriots.
Love this show
Have we really stopped mentioning deflategate in relation to Tom’s legacy?
John Madden ALWAYS Said you HAVE to STRETCH The DEFENSE.. OR DO You!?
Not retooling the offense is the same trap Belichick fell into because he had Brady. KC needs a reliable deep threat at receiver, asap.
Always love seeing Hockey get some love.
For this convo of best first 7 years its definitely Gretzky, he won the cup multiple times, was MVP every year and absolutely dominated statistically in a way no one has ever been able to touch.
I been arguing peak vs longevity for a while now with Mahomes. He's the best we've ever seen, his peak is the highest we've ever seen and it wasn't 6-8 years into his career when it started... it was from day 1 - until further notice, it's insane
Thing is his numbers have been getting worse since then. He's averaged 25.8 per season since then.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW Which is NORMAL because it became gradually less talent around him.. That happens when you pay the QB, now you have to draft and develop well…
But what is not NORMAL is the level of success hasn’t dipped.. it ramped up actually. The man just did sumthin not seen in 19 years😭😭😭 nice try kid but Pat resume is teflon, I don’t think casual football fans understand that Chiefs we’re not supposed to win last year and definitely not this year. These are what you call rebuild/retooling years were you draft and develop the young guys you newly acquired, were you go through a lot of growing pains. But instead they repeat as champions it’s impossibly great
@@WeRacin I’m not saying he sucks or anything, but you’re acting like he’s stayed at 50 tds or something. His numbers show he peaked that year and has come down… it’s not a sustained peak.
“Several vapes” 🤣😂
Hot takes ❤❤❤❤❤
I find it amazing how much they move the goal posts towards mahommes, for brady they were discussing if hes the goat after his fifth and now they crown the other after 3, now the style of play doesnt matter, the fact that defenses cant do a fraction of the things and that points total went way up and the quality of play went down.
I’m a trash truck driver here in KC downtown the people started showing up around 4:30am. Law enforcement from every city in the metro area
Nice of Nick to enlighten those who don't know much about Gretzky. For what it's worth here's a comparison between Brady and Gretzky, in terms of being a league leader (includes ties).
Gretzky: Goals 5x
Assists: 16x
Points: 11x
Brady: Passing Yards: 4x
Touchdown Passes: 5x
Completion %: 1x
How much juice have kelce in the tank?
UNTIL Patrick is suspended for CHEATING, AND Andy is caught CHEATING, Patrick IS the GOAT AND so is ANDY!!
Only 7 people have won 3 national titles and 2 MVP’s in their first seven seasons. Bill Russell Larry bird Stan Musial Joe DiMaggio Mickey mantle & Guy Lafeur Mahoney basically did it in 6. Can you say 8th wonder of the sports world !!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Chiefs needs to go get Mike Evans.
I think its crazy to leave a championship team, i couldnt leave it, but i get how money talks.
I love Wildes, but I'm very tired of Pats fans chalking up SB46 to a lucky Manningham catch. Manning had the most GW drives that season, and It was 1st down with 3:45 left, and there was so much precision involved in completing that catch on both ends. It's in a completely different stratosphere than the Tyree catch, in terms of luck
They need a playmaker like Higgins or mike evans at the wideout. That’s honestly about it and they need to keep jones obviously.
How can they leave out Otto Graham? Went to the championship game every year he played. 10 in a row.
1st and obvious reason is if injury hits
If I was Chris Jones, Na F*** that, I want the most rings. Ever.
I still wanna get paid good. But I want rings more.
"Not even the Warriors" -Wildes... zing lol