Follow the Science... Unless You Don't Like It | Fresh Tracks Weekly (Ep. 79)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- This week, for our deeper dive, we’re talking about a new research project on Chronic Wasting Disease in Wyoming and how the best available science to slow the spread of the disease is likely not what hunters want to hear.
In Wyoming, a ranch and family are attempting to close down a road that accesses a significant amount of public land. The road is also a primary access point for other landowners and the county.
Andrew McKean with Outdoor Life recently published an article that dissects a new report that shows declining support for hunting and recreational shooting.
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I am old enough, 79, to have lived when a whitetail deer was a novelty in South Central Wisconsin to a population with over 200 in one section (640 acres) of land. In the late 60's and 70's, it was nothing to see herds of 40 or 50 deer in my alfalfa fields. One year, the herd was so thick, they ate down one 21 acres field of corn on my farm. Then CWD hit. The Wisconsin DNR urged hunters to kill as many deer as they could with unlimited tags in attempt to control the spread of the diesease. Prior to CWD, my farm and the two adjacent farms were noted for huge bucks. with one nontypical that the largest harvested in Wisconsin that year....before CWD. Now the oldest buck we see is a two and-a-half year old and that is rare. Prior to CWD, old does produced triplets. Now it is rare to see twins. In short the population has crashed. I don't think it is the fault of the DNR but it really is a function of the disease. One added note, CWD was first detected in Wisconsin on deer farms when out of state bucks were imported to produce "trophy" racks for the dude hunters too lazy to hike out in the woods. Sad tale and best wishes for you folks in the West. It ain't gonna be any fun, for sure.
Should look into where CWD came from Biolab in Colorado government doesn't want you eating...Wake up
Anytime that someone says “trust the experts”, run!
So was it CWD in northwest Minnesota in the mid to late 60's that reduced whitetail deer to almost 0? It started a bucks only that must of lasted for 10 years, but populations returned to new highs over time. Now just a few years back they started screaming CWD and put helicopters up with sharp shooters. Now many tags go empty and some groups will shoot bucks only. My thoughts: it is a natural reoccurring cycle that some one put a name too, so they had something to blame on someone.
What zone in NW Minnesota has had a sharp shooters?
@@Icemanlb Not sure of the zone, (no map), but most of it would of ben in eastern Marshall County - I believe some Kittson, also.
The DNR in Wisconsin already tried managing CWD in whitetails. They issued lots of extra buck tags and lot of bucks were taken out. It didn't have any effect. The deer herds aren't dying off from CWD. And the CWD isn't rapidly spreading. All that happened was there was less bucks on the landscape.
There are going to be a lot less deer on the landscape regardless. CWD was initially present in a small area with Mt. Horeb at the epicenter. Now it is present throughout SW WI with some counties having infection rates approaching 50% in adult bucks, as well as the south central counties where it initially appeared. You can't bait in most counties in WI now because of what......CWD. There was never a serious attempt in WI at managing this or any other issue related to deer because the favorite outdoor pastime In WI is complaining about the DNR. Instead, we hire "DR. Deer" from Texas, which produced nothing. Ultimately I agree with you, don't bother managing deer at all, as the citizens have shown they won't agree to it anyway. Nature will take care of this problem for us.
Correct. Culling in Wisconsin over a decade ago did zero to stop the “spread”. Its been in the wild herds for half a century. The “spread” is nothing more than increased testing. Don’t find what your not looking for!!! These states are chasing Federal money.
Oh but randy says follow the science
Please add links to the source material. This stuff needs to be shared. Word of mouth is great, but the original sources are highly important to people who really want to be informed.
Damn, was worried enough about germs and viruses but now ya got these darn Prion Proteins to consider too
What a dilemma....less bucks in the short term might better for the overall health of a herd?? I respect Randy for acknowledging the internal struggle about this because this has me thinking as well.
Man, big landowners will do anything to block the public access
What support do you have that suggests wounding rates in archery are higher than wounding rates in muzzleloader or rifle seasons?
Wyoming has some excellent biologists. No manipulating the data.
You can have the best Biologist in the world, issue is, their hands are tied to what they can say research and do.
Does WY still have winter elk feed lots?
Utah does have it now dnr offers free testing
The winter kill actually helped in Colorado! Killed 90% in northwestern part of state? But what was left was heathy! It was a shock to see 90% of the animals go away? But a relief to see the remaining population was fat and healthy? This Is a ten year recovery to see the numbers of animals return to prior population, but iam optimistic of their overall health?
Wait until you see what 10yrs worth of wolves can do.
Problems is the prion that causes CWD (a mutated and folded protein) can live in the soil for many years, just like the spores that cause anthrax.
Someone in Oklahoma legislature has passed law to release 200 positive cedar deer in our public deer heard for study
I can almost guarantee its do to modern farming. Pesticides and fertilizers. Dont get me wrong. I love farmers and what they do, but, modern industrial farming is unsustainable.
How we fix it i dont know, but, its gotta change.
Thx gents… I’m in BC and we are not immune… I think it’s only a matter of time here also… we have to use the science and advocate for best practices… its not perfect but politics and voodoo aint going to cut it
when is the next time one you guys is gna draw a unit 21 colorado tag....we will be up there agian this year and would love to me up and help yall get on a big buck...or plan to meet up again
So…. What do older class bucks have to do with anything?
Don't know about Oregon, but we still have no confirmed CWD in the people's republic of Washington.
I guess I need to read up on this more, but as this something that is getting worse and worse, what are the chances is started ramping up in the decades of farm raised mature male cervids for private land trophy sales, and had spread to the wild population from there.
All indications are that CWD has been in the wild for a good number of years, but because the wild herds were dispersed well and predators took out the weak and sick, it had a tough time expanding ----- until deer farming for hunting and profit. All it took was one deer/elk to get the disease in a captive herd, and because there was no knowledge or testing of the animals, was spread exponentially by sales in game farms ------ and contact with public free ranging animals---- to where we are today. Another consistent problem is human expansion into wild cervid's habitat, and concentration due to public feeding in winter to spread the disease, along with agricultural practices.
I wonder if anyone has looked into the fracking impact on the environment? This area around Pavillion has had water issues for years from fracking. Might be something to think about.
$cience 🤑
So, can you eat a deer that has tested positive for CWD
Absolutely. People have for years. Eat at your own risk
the official answer is: "there have been no recorded incidents of Cervid to Human transmission of CWD." There have also been studies where they have tried to infect human tissues with cervid prions and they didn't take. So.... eat at your own risk but you're probably fine.
Adds flavor
You probably already have and dont know it.
@@skeegets2 most hunters have imo. I'd bet 1 in 6 deer have early stage CWD. Thankfully it impacts the central nervous system not the muscles
I think I’ll take my chances with the sharks and start deep sea fishing. I wouldn’t eat meat infected with CWD .
I would think the biologists would spend more time taking soil samples in these high cwd areas looking for high concentrations of cwd prions. This might pinpoint Hotspots, then come up with a plan to kill the prion in the soil. Got to be some kind of way to kill the prion, rather than solely control a herd of deer.
Prions reside in the soil and the flora present, to this point, there has been no effective way to eliminate prion presence in the soil. For perspective, consider that in the hospital when instruments are used on a person determined to have a TSE, those instruments are destroyed as normal means of sterilization are inadequate.
@BobPeterson-rw9yw Oh I know the prions are in the soil and the easiest way I guess would be kill the deer... But.... I would think there would be a white coat super genius somewhere that could come up with a way to kill these prions in a lab that would be environmentally friendly.
Just a thought...
But then I guess the powers at be would lose lots of money...
Luke 21:11
Probably so.
I'm curious since you guys know a lot about tag allocation, what are the non-resident tag allocations for that area that has a high CWD numbers.... Not knocking on non-residents but I am from Michigan and we are dealing with CWD and I understand how it is transmitted and transported it could be on your truck cuz you ran over a roadkill deer in a state that has CWD you drive across state lines, it rains that washes off your truck it gets in the ground, deer comes along eats the grass gets CWD. At least that's how they portray the transmission of CWD here in Michigan with heavy baiting band restrictions
I hate the phrase, "science says" or "science is telling us "
Science doesn't say jack all. Scientists interpret data and evidence and scientists propose data-driven suggestions.
They are not always right but we need to admit when scientists are wrong and not blame data. It's a cop out.
This is not just quibbling over words either because we operate under some assumption that science is never wrong. A thorough review of scientific findings over the last several hundred years will show that scientists are frequently wrong.
The way this cwd thing has been playing out seems more and more like cwd was created by man. Maybe im a conspiracy theorist but just seems fishy. I dunno. Anyone else?
It was back in the 70's
All the clowns in Wyoming shouting" small government "this is what happens. Rich people take what you own when there's no government
Yikes! The "wounding rates of archery vs firearms"
That's a pretty irresponsible comment, unless of course you have the data to support your claim. And if you do, you should offer it with such bold claims.
Plenty of deer are wounded by rifle hunters. I've found several deer that I shot over the years, that had bullets in them from non-lethal shots. Those would fall in the "wounding" category as well.
The ratio of rifle hunters to archery hunters is exponentially higher as well.
I think your comment was based off of what you think or feel. Not facts.
I think the percentage rate of wounded animals by archers is higher...but were down to actual numbers in our times today. And its not even close. More animals are wounded by bullets than arrows. And the way things are rapidly changing, especially out west, although I wish it wouldn't have to be this way (like I don't wish residence of western states having to take the stance they have...and I agree with them btw) if opportunity were spread out more, make all big game seasons archery only. With some exceptions obviously
There, I actually said that. And before someone has a canary, I'm getting at opportunity spread around, while keeping the animals #1 in mind