Ep. 133 - Talking Primers & Rimfire with CCI & Remington
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- On this episode, Seth is joined by Jason Slinkard of CCI and Audrey Mayes and Leland Mason of Remington Ammunition. The group discusses multi-gun action found at the Zombies in the Heartland Match at the Heartland Public Shooting Park. The conversation then shifts to some technical aspects of primers as well as what goes into the engineering and R&D of new rimfire products. We hope you enjoy this great show with some industry friends!
Where are all the CCI large rifle primers?
Primers have been in short supply for 6 years! There is no excuse for the manufacturers to still not have ramped up lines to make more primers!
They're still selling out at 3x the price... there is no incentive for them to increase supply. Kinetic stock is up 260% since 2020.
Theyre trying to skurt this topic its a cover up
Wish I had enough large rifle primers that I could choose between regular and match primers, it's whatever you can get. Nice to know that they are basically the same primers and should not have much of an impact on reloads. Great show Seth.
We need a few Billion Large Rifle Primers released to the public.
Preferably Magnum. My 4 year stock is almost gone. I have multiple high end hunting rifles collecting dust because I can't load for them.
I read somewhere nato large rifle are hotter than regular. Might be good for magnums
So remington alone is pumping out a billion primers a year, and there's still a shortage on them. Where are they all going?
We still can’t get CCI primers in the UK. Almost 4 years.
Hell we can't hardly get them here in the US!
Where are the large rifle primers for the hand loader? They are now unobtainable for the common man, where all of the other primers seem to be at least somewhat available ? Large Rifle... can't touch them, or even see them
I suggest you get a job at your local sporting goods store - from my experience the limited amount they get are eaten up by first the staff themselves and next their "pro staff" or loyal customers who have requested some be put on hold. Most of them will never see a store shelf.
Buy them from a reputable online dealer. They're out there. Just don't go to the fraudsters. Legit options include: Midsouth, Basspro, Normausa, etc. There's a lot of options out there. And usually you can find free hazmat/shipping. $0.10/p isn't uncommon right now for LRP. Not a great price, but available.
I've also had luck over the last two years at places like Cabelas/Bass Pro. That said, they tend to be on the more expensive side of things.
Seems like everyone in this industry knows that demand keeps growing except Hodgdon.
hodgdon is a distributor, not a manufacture. with that being said, hodgdon is dead to me after their gouging.
Not really, Hodgdon gauged a few months back out of no where. Any company owned by Vista Outdoors, including Remington, Federal, CCI, Speer, Alliant, and others, absolutely refuse to even attempt to make production of anything come even remotely close to demand, while engaging in price gauging at the same time. The only ones even trying to keep up are hornady and overseas manufacturers.
Hey here's a novel idea, how about we stop coming up with new crap until you can exceed the market demand for ALL of your current products at a NORMAL price. Once you can do that and maintain it over a long period of time, THEN we can talk about new ideas.
Loved hearing from folks in other parts of the industry. Yes there is the friendly competition part, but the comardarie and shared knowledge is not something most of us are aware of. Would also like to see it on the firearms side. Good job everyone
🙋♂️ WE NEED HORNEDAY TO START MAKING PRIMERS!!! 🤷♂️
Yeah can we get some freaking large rifle primers, please for the love if all things.
She said ".270 Winchester" and I threw my hands in the air like I just saw a title winning score! 😂
It’s a sad state of affairs when you can’t even get the cci primers you want
How about bringing back the Federal match 22LR , that had a center dimple in the base , so the priming compound was moved to the outer edge more uniform , also make a copy of the OLD Lapua scoremax , sub at 48gr bullet weight .That old scoremax was the best subsonic 22LR ever made .
When is Horneday Going to Start Making Their Own Primers?
News reports stated that it was the "primer division" of the facility that had exploded several months ago - also leads me to wonder what were they making primers for there...
🤷♂️ Just Like Horneday Went From Making Only Bullets To Manufacturing Brass, The Goal Should Be To Be Self Sufficient - By Adding Primers and Powder Manufacturing To Your Company! 🤔 Primer Demand Is At An All Time High and a Great Opportunity to Expand Your Product Line! 🤑
Where, exactly, are the large rifle primers of any flavor?
Interesting people, but way too little technical information about primers 😢
20 minutes in until the conversation about primers starts.. I appreciate the introductions, but that's a bit excessive IMHO....
Boo-*******-hoo
Well primers are kinda boring to talk about, kinda hard to make a full podcast out of the topic.
it was a nice conversation after all, I did not feel like I wasted my time
Thanks for your opinion
Primers are the biggest topic one could possibly speak about it is what it is
Great podcast. I live in Canada only primers I can find are German made.
Suggest you get a job at your local sporting goods store - from my experience the limited amount they get are eaten up by first the staff themselves and next their "pro staff" or loyal customers who have requested some be put on hold. Most of them will never see a store shelf.
It would be nice if U.S manufacturers would make 22lr match ammo as good as sk lapua and eley
@bobpena1490 Federal did at one time. Gold Medal Ultra Match, UM1. Was it as good as the brands you mentioned? I didn't have the funds back then to compare. But it was used to win some medals in Olympic competition
@@snakeman48 I shot some it was good ..but rws r 50 shot way better than it
Very informative podcast once again thank you
Thanks for listening
Love the Remington Podcast.
Ive taught myself to refurbish and reload spent primers, both Boxer and Berdan, 209s, percussion caps. It is doable and there are two recipes I prefer, neither of which is Prime All which is rather crude. Everytime i leave comments about this subject on YT they usually get deleted, go figure. If i told you how cheap they were to make you would be astounded. Now its just a part of the reloading process- I load the primer cups first and set anvil as I'm case prime the cartridge.
I really enjoyed the man from cci. He thinks like I do.
here is a question for them... what will it take to get primers back to 25$ a brick? will it ever happen?
same for powder....
It's part of the plan genius. MSRP on 22LR is $0.05 to $0.10 each currently. It takes more time, money, effort, and materials to make a 22LR than it does to make a primer, and they're made in smaller quantities. They don't want you to have primers and powder. The gooberment pays them to not release stuff to/ produce stuff for civilians. Ever wonder why powder literally doubled in price overnight a few months ago for no apparent reason?? Reducing/ eliminating the supply and making it unaffordable is a disarmament tactic.
Uh never. We have this thing called inflation. $25 in 2000 is equivalent to $46 today... while $70-90 a brick is still far too much, we will never see $20/lbs of powder, ever again.
Co-opertition, huh? Looking forward to my new 6.8mm 175gr eldx
Consistency in brands builds confidence. Like picking up a coke, you know what it’s gunna taste like.
You wouldn’t like it if they changed the compound and now u had to rebuild your loads
👩🏫 A 270 Girl? 🥰 That Audrey May is Definitely Management Material! 😎
Another great, informative podcast. Thank you
Thanks for listening
The reason so many folks still shoot .22 LR when you get better ballistic performance from 22WSM or even a 17?
Lapua, SK and RWS, even Eley don't load for anything rimfire other than .22
When can we expect some of your companies to offer ammunition with Benchrest / Olympic consistency standard of the above mentioned manufacturers, many folks are still choosing the .22LR because its the only one that you can find ammunition loaded to handloaded quality when you look at ES and SD consistency needed for long range rimfire shooting.
Magnum primers are impossible to find in Canada.
Seth,
Once again, thank you so much for the great entertainment and learning opportunity. Your guests are always knowledgeable and happy to share their experience. Technical podcasts are my favorite. Please continue airing in depth technical discussions on all things ballistics. "So much to learn - so little time to learn it."
Glad you enjoyed it!
Remington LR and 9.1/2 primers are the only primers available here in Australia, and that's taken five years and i personally thank Remington for that..
Federal primers are still non existence,
Remington large rifle magnum primers are $275 dollars a thousand! i call that daylight robbery by our dealers.
Question for Remington:
Is the only difference between no 1 1/2 and 5 1/2 small pistol primers cup thickness?
Unis Ginex has large rifle primers available, cheaper than US manufacturers.
Have you tried any out? I have seen them but not tried them out.
21:40 if you are supposedly aware of the situation, and you have not increased your production capacity by at least 50% by mid 2024, you are either the dumbest businessmen to ever live(likely the case with Remington's history), or you're grossly negligent.
Could you do an episode on annealing? Pro/con etc? :)
By golly ide love to get some cci LRP. Litteral unobtainium up here in canada.
PRIMERS????? WHAT ARE THOSE????
Where are those?
I haven’t seen those little blighters in my neck of the woods in ages but I’m still looking for em.
😳 The Primers Are In Ukraine - Where Your Children Will Soon Be - Unless You Vote "Right" in This Election! 🤔
Tons of primers come and go on all the major reloading websites, many with discounts and free shipping. Keep a better eye out or use a shooting bot to notify you
@@DanielReyes-hz1qk Not in my neck of the woods down here in Australia unfortunately 😟.
I am testing the Hornady 110 grain XTP in 38 special and the Speer 110 grain Gold Dot SB in a 4 inch 686 357 magnum Smith and Wesson. With Vv 3N37, Winchester AutoComp, Accurate No 5, Hodgdon CFE at max +P loads. The Vv 3N37 max load is from Vv. My question is for Speer if that is one in the group. What is the max recommended velocity for the 110 gr. Gold Dot short barrel bullet?
Tell the boys in manufacturing we need a 75 eld vt for the 22 cal🤣
Seems like a lot of shooting the shot and not a lot of info. Good to see u having a good time but geez!
So are CCI 34 & 41 primers magnum strength or just harder cupped. I feel like that would have been a perfect opportunity for some answers from the source.
Good talk about the world of primers and their differences.
I see so many questions on FB reloading groups asking about using magnum primers in standard loads. Then the answers they get are all over the board. I cringe sometimes.
Hey is your CEO still making everyone there get the Vax if they want to work for Hornady?
I was thinking this was going to be a center fire primer leaning leasing
Wished Remington rep could have clarified their primer numbering labeling. 1 1/2 6 1/2
Google
Sees 3 people at a competition "we need to develop a new product"
Millions of handloaders cant get primers, asking for expanded production for decades
"Meh"
Lying through his teeth when he said remington is made at Remington and federal is made at federal. My 16ga Remington shotshells sure would beg to differ! Since you have federal making them now, can you make them purple too?! As we much prefer our 16ga shells purple.
Wish cci would make some rimfire match ammo that would compete with eley, sk/lapua match ammo
Too bad the vast majority of comments turned into a bunch of man-children crying they can find primers instead of legitimate questions and comments. Yes, it sucks that you can no longer get 1k primers for $35. But look at the inflation of everything else. Par for the course.
I was curious the difference in BR4 and BR2 vs Match. Heavier cup? Different mix?
Keep the podcasts coming. Great info
👍
I haven’t seen a box of magnum LR primers in years
35:00 uppercut was a total flop dude, I wouldn't go around bragging about that one.
True. Unacceptable gimmicky garbage.
Good old Remington viper for me for self defense. I start seeing them online again.
@@Yetified_Mayhem I'm not sure of your point. If you see tests in real ballistic gel vs. clear ballistic gel... it pretty much lives up to the hype. All that said, it's .22lr. I think people should go larger for self defense.
You wanna run .22lr for that, well that's on you. There are lighter recoiling rounds than 9mm, that are better performing than 22lr.
@@SlavicCelery No it doesn't. They sent some "special" boxes to a few influencers. Anyone who has bought a box and tested it has gotten NO expansion. Maybe do some real research and don't believe the propaganda.
@@joearledge Every test with true ballistics gel is consistent. Clear ballistics gel is not a one to one equivalent.
All the complaints are with a different medium, aka clear ballistic gel.
But yeah, sure. You've made your mind up on the matter. If you don't like the product don't buy it. Not that you should be relying on .22lr for self defense, as a planned option.
The Remington Podcast will now be a go to, just to see and listen to the beautiful Audrey Meyes. It’s not before time we had some intelligent glamour on the Hornady show.
Hope your wife doesn't watch this Seth, she's eyeing you so hard. lol
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice that 😂
The issue I have with Kinetic is selling out to FOREIGNERS!. They had domestic offers. Then the gibberish about new gun owners.......Well, my guess is that the new gun owners were buying handguns probably 9MM/380 and 38 Special. They use small primers. So how does that affect LARGE RIFLE PRIMERS? Do you tear down equipment between sizes? or do you have fixed production equipment! Too bad Hornady had bought Remington Brand!
Very sorry Seth, but I vote for Audrey to replace you.
I'd love to try some uppercut, but it's NEVER in stock. lol kinda like large rifle primers....
Get the remington viper, way more effective for 2 legged or 4 legged creatures. I started seeing them available online lately, guess they started making them again
I'm sitting here with a brick of C.I.L. 8 1/2s
WHOOP!
This is a little bogus. Where is Winchester? Is the 6.8 such a threat that they won’t make dies or bullets to support that caliber? And they won’t have them on their podcast? Come on Seth, let’s be true to this. 8:00
Thanks, gr8 and informative.
I’m an addicted OCD reloader myself and often thought that my quest to consistent reloading has compensated for a lack of range time. One thing I’ve been wondering about is whether powder that enter the pimer and flash hole after reloading might equate to inconsistency. Surely this will happen to different amounts and degree. Ball powder more so compared to extruded powder I guess. Ammo being transported/stored in the vertical vs horizontal position. Vibration that over time might lead to compaction. No way that this potential space will be filled and compressed with a consistent amount of powder. Might this make a difference?? I know this comes down to splitting hair, but that’s what we do.
I found some anecdotal information on the net of people seating primers through paper and using ‘flash hole wads’ to prevent this. More so with black powder rifles. Does anyone have more infomation or thoughts on this?
Damn!! You guys get along with Remington????? Dang!!! Just not Winchester/Browning huh?? We know how much Hornady hates the new 6.8 western!! 😂😂😂
I got a bucket off remington 22 will not fire in a sw victory
any "itis" is caused by eating plants, just FYI.