Great video. I'd like to give another perspective. James always seemed to have the dream of being a superstar, being recognized as an all-rounder, and unlike Net, he didn't come from a millionaire family. With the series productions being postponed and the airing of two series in a row that were not successful either in Thailand or internationally, James realized that he might not be able to achieve his goal if he continued on this path and became frustrated. And it seems that NetJames weren't always on the same page. I remember that during the DMD LAND shows, James was always praised for his stage performance, so I believe that this gave him another perspective for trying out a new environment with new people and new projects. Unfortunately, it seems that it wasn't well received and I agree that he still has a lot to train and adjust to his potential, but now with the end of the ship and the announcement of Net's new partner, he is literally in the middle of the BL world hurricane where every day the public chooses someone to crucify. I wish him absolute success because he is a good person, just like Net. And I hope that after a lot of hard work he can achieve at least the beginning of his dream.
Super valid. These ACTORS don’t owe us anything, but quality work. Whether that be in acting or another medium. In life, you got to do what you got to do in order to make your dreams come true
@@samcarmen yes! And just like anyone working to make a living they deserve to get paid and be able to provide for themselves. It sounds like he didn’t have much of a choice. I think people erroneously assume they are all making bank and rich, but they’re not and it can be really detrimental not to be working.
These actors are people, not their characters and "fans" need to accept that. Demanding behaviors you want is not love for the actor. Good for James pursuing his own dreams/ambitions. And good for Net supporting his friend. I will watch and support them as a fan in whatever they do and wish their company would help them succeed.
This is why I don’t like fan service and shipping culture. I mentioned this story in my LGBTQ+ class film essay about Lovely Writer. This morning I saw a RUclips post by Hana MewGulf 2 of Apo in a photoshoot with a beautiful woman, and the first two comments were “Who the hell is she?” “That better be a photoshoot!” 🙄 You can be a fan, but there’s a difference between a fan and a toxic fan. I’m glad NetJames are friends in real life because the entertainment industry divides and conquers. As a tween I went through the five stages of grief when Matt Smith left Dr. Who, but I never trashed him on RUclips.
To me I see it a bit differently. Although I do like to hear others opinions on the subject. To me Fan service does exactly what it says on the tin........it can't be much clearer in what it is, it's in the name...........a service for the fans. It doesn't even try to pretend that it's real. These guys are actors, and they make a living by pretending to be other people. (Now I know I sometimes see things differently as I used to act myself.) The actors are sometimes just having fun and interacting with their fans. Should fan service be compulsory for ships........nope.........(but thats another topic) For me the issue comes with the societal discourse which is sadly becoming more dominant over the past few years, which allows fans to think they can act this way. Fan's are feeling more entitled, more like they own their favourite pairing rather than support them. That is on the rise (In my mind) due to the use of a wide variety of areas in the internet that are not policed and people can find people who think the way they do, and whip each other into a frenzy (sticking to the topic of NetJames for a second, I dare bed their were lots of small areas where anti fans of James got together to make him out to be the devil incarnate with no one there to temper that madness.) Another problem is that people have more and more access to the background of actors than they ever have before, leading then to think they 'know them' and that with that knowledge they can make choices for them. The line between the actor and audience, isn't just fading, it's vanished and that isnt just bad for the actors but the fans as well, as it gives them false expectations and beliefs. There are more of course, but put these together, along with ships, and you get the perfect storm for toxic fans. It is not the shipping cultures fault in my opinion (as this does happen in other parts of the world).........however it does make it easier to people to focus their anger when somthing goes wrong.
Another instance was when fans were hating on newwiee (from GMMtv) for having a girlfriend I kept thinking "aren't you supposed to be happy for him?" I felt so bad for New, he's such a cutie. He doesn't deserve the hate
Ahh, mine is the 10th doctor, David Tennant. I couldn't watch the 11th thereafter until about a year after I saw a highlight of the Christmas special with the previous doctor in one episode.
I do think the companies and the entire "fixed ship" system needs to change. I understand wanting to see people with good chemistry play in multiple series tgt but companies play too much into fans' delusion where they promote a pairing like "products" which is honestly not a sustainable business strategy either. Promoting ships as a product will never end well - all actors and actresses need to have their individual and unique branding that is completely separate to their ship. Unfortunately most companies who manages BL actors are crap at this and it's such an easy target for all the parasocial weirdos to latch onto
While I agree that fixed ships should not be forced on actors. I do think that for some actors it works brilliantly. Some actors work better with a fixed partner, it allows them to grow rather than restrict them. It allows them to know their screen partner and explore with each show, each project. And even some ships have managed to retain that individual branding, as well as do things that transcend the ship, while still working together. So while I agree that the system does need to change and give the actors a lot more protection than they currently get, I do think that for some actors.........it is a good thing and doesn't need to be changed. After all fans need to learn that they are responsible for their own behaviour at the end of the day............thats somthing else that needs to be changed
I agree about new pairings. There's a level of stagnation when people are paired together with the same dynamics. For an example: would Saint have been able to be assertive in his pairing with Perth? Like he was with Zee. Probably not. Because it's not just the pairing that is set its dynamic. Fans don't like change. I see the freedom of actors without a pairing to diversify like Gawin and the creativity he gets to enjoy because he isn't locked in to a role. I'm not saying that it's for all time. The great thing is if a couple with amazing chemistry works together again it's just a bonus
I just wanted to jump in and clarify a few things. In many original sources, the translation referred to him as an "artist," not an "idol." And it’s clear he’s pursuing singing, not visual art. He’s spoken extensively about his training to join the boy band with Noeul and how production delays were affecting him and the others in the group. As a fan who genuinely supports Net and James I’m happy for each of them to continue to do what they chose. However, I can't overlook the fact that his management chose to release an audio of such low quality. I’m not blaming him, because he’s openly said he’s still working on his skills. I respect that, and since it’s the career path he’s chosen, I fully support him. But what about his management? Where were they in all this? For many of us, it’s not just about accents-it’s about the lack of technical skill in the singing itself. Why didn’t they select a song better suited to his vocal range? Why wasn’t autotuning or any form of production enhancement used? How did no one stop and think, “Maybe we shouldn’t post this, or it could become a meme?” I refuse to believe that everyone involved has hearing issues. You’re right, though-some people do take things too far. The amount of hate directed at him, Net, or JJ is completely out of line. Personally, I’m sad the "ship" ended, especially since I saw them in person at a fan meet just a month before. It hurt, of course. But I would never go online to spam them with hate or negative comments. At the same time, I also won’t pretend that a poorly sung song is something to praise. Being a fan doesn’t mean blindly accepting everything your favourite artist creates. There are other ways to support them without ignoring flaws or being dishonest. How else can they improve if they are not aware of it? But maybe that’s just my perspective…
What bothered me most about their split was how you could very visibly see the hurt and pain in Net and James' eyes during their lives, yet the "fans"( i use that term very lightly) still wanted to bash James even though you could tell it wasn't an easy decision for him. Seeing them both get visibly upset made my heart ache for them (thats called empathy for those so-called fans, something they should learn more about). I stand by Net and James and their future endeavors, whatever they may be. As a fan of many, my only wish is for them to always be healthy and happy.
@@lisareel6884 I absolutely agree with you. People with "normal" daily job sometimes want dry out new things too or changing all together their courrier and their is nothing wrong with it. Me personally think if you not satisfied with what you are doing why not trying out something else and if it is not working out then their is always the way back or a other courrier. I will always adore Net and James and I wish them a lot of success and happiness in what they are doing.❤️👏👍
You are so right about questioning the state of shipping culture in Thai BLs. I am worried that toxicity is starting to make its way over into western media’s queer shows. Like the way I see so many people desperate for Kit Connor to be cast as Hulking now that Joe Locke is (likely) casted as Wiccan.
I cannot understand this toxicity of fans (and I think the biggest example is OhmNnn, or maybe I'm too into that fandom). Actors are not responsible for our feelings, we are. And we don't own them bc we give them love. It's probably the opposite. So, I can understand feelings of sadness and anger or wtv but acting hurtfully to others on those feelings is off limits. Anyway, great video as always. I love your opinions, and you have a very beautiful voice! Stay well ❤
DMD has always worked for their actors though. LUAT being delayed would not have prevented Net or James working on other projects either together or separately. Net signed up to to Dangerous Boys 2 while waiting for LUAT, so I don’t buy that the LUAT delay halting their career is necessarily a factor. LUAT was announced in 2022 when production companies were aggressively announcing future productions post COVID restrictions. Bed Friend and Middleman’s Love were filmed and released in 2023, so LUAT getting held for 2024 isn’t too bad. There were 4 main pairs in DMD at the time, so the company was balancing what they could reasonably release while in recovery. MaxNat deserved to have Naughty Babe filmed and released last year. And Two Worlds wasn’t a Mandee production so this is outside the production schedule anyway. Same with After Sundown - it wasn’t produced by Mandee, and ZNN haven’t had a series together since Cutie Pie 2 You (which was a mini series bridging Cutie Pie and Naughty Babe). NJ were never going to go from back to back filming BF, MML, LUAT with no break in 2023 - DMD and Mandee don’t operate that way as they were not resourced for concurrent shows to be filmed while taking care of everyone else. If NJ got all the focus, then MN, or ZNN would have lost out. They don’t have GMMTV resources, though they are improving. Whatever happened, I don’t see it being related to LUAT directly, as DMD would support them doing whatever they want. Tutor Yim have worked outside Mandee, Zee was doing back to back Lakorns, NuNew and Tommy have been working on their music. If James wanted to do other things, DMD would have supported him, whether he left LUAT or not. Whatever the reason, I wish James the best for his future.
@@AmosRambles I think James was done with acting and subsequently promoting as a BL pair as it involved acting in the new series, he thought he could do well as a solo dancer and singer cos the shippers overlooked his lacking singing skills for the sake of supporting the pair and to see them perform together, but James was under the impression that most of their fans would support his solo singing career cos they actually liked his singing
@@DaughterofMother1 which I think he's not doing so bad only that people expect the best from someone immediately and not realising that success doesn't have to be once
ngl i wasnt the most invested in this ship so it didnt really affect me when it ended but i can understand being upset i cannot understand blaming them tho
Thank you for bringing up the vitriol that was unleashed with the release of James' newest music video. To me, it felt like an excuse for so-called "fans" to release their anger, bitterness, resentfulness, and hurt over James' decision to not continue his CP partnership with Net. Even now with his special appearance in the Tutor/Yim series, "Battle Of The Writers", I have seen folks positioning that James was "lying" about his need to stop acting in BLs. Maybe he had completed filming his guest role in that series before the announcement was made about him not continuing on with his professional CP with Net. Also, even if the filming was done after the announcement had been made, so what. James has every right to do whatever he chooses to do for his own career.
@johnmaster3748 I am just utterly tired of the inane madness that comes from some fans not accepting that these performers have every right to make whatever choice they want to make for their own professional careers. You, as a fan, have the choice to accept it or not, but your choice in going off the rails, in reaction to the choice isn't going to make that individual change his, her, or their minds. This isn't about blindy supporting anything that they choose to do. It's understanding that you, as a fan, have absolutely no say in what these individuals choose to do for themselves and knowing that you have no right to demand that these performers behave in the way that you want them to behave. That it isn't just about what you want.
I really liked NetJames and was sad that they split but after a while I just lost interest in both of them individually. I still want to see Love Upon a Time, but it's not a top priority. Aside from that, James' most recent venture into serious music just isn't my taste and it probably could have been polished a little more. I'll miss this pair but there are many other pairings out there.
I was always a NetJames fan, but James' acting was so amazing to me, speaking with his whole face and carrying himself with such class. You could call him beautiful or handsome and both were fitting. His hair and his makeup were always on point. I will definitely miss him in acting roles. I do however visit him on IG occasionally and enjoy his dancing, singing, and beauty. Do what makes you happy James, that's what makes your true fans happy. ❤
BL 'fans' seem to more like football fans, devoted to a team but often vindictive towards managers and players if they do not perform to their standard. Acting is a job, and looking at the ages of most of these actors, they are only at the start at their working lives, most older adults often end up in an area completely different from where they start. Daniel Craig started in tv drama, he now seems to a niche playing against type as gay protagonists. Is it the age and life experience of fans that gives them unrealistic expectations, and then its cultured by fan service for money? I often look at these acting couples and think the pressure must be enormous, because they job relies on them getting along almost 24/7 with your acting partner . If your project goes well its like ground hog day, rinse and repeat, instead of being able to try something new, you a need a work and personal divorce, its like a football team club selling a player when the fans want them to stay with the fallout. People talk about personal choice being good but then are angry when someone makes a choice they do not like. These are life choices for real people, with real consquences, not cartoon charecters to be manipulated. The sad thing is the standard of these dramas is increasing, to get even better they have to evolve, which means things will change, fan pressure prevents change what you are left is stagnation. If you look at the pair Off/Gun, I like them both as actors, but the despiration to find them material for them to act as a couple is making them act in projects that are way below their competence.
@lgate8634 I would spend a few pithy words commending the more astute points I this comment, but my football team (NFL) is down to the final two minutes of a tight game. My full attention is most definitely elsewhere. (Oh, and my guys have underperformed my expectations today. Good call.)
Thanks for the video, I am glad that someone called out the fans who acted badly surrounding this. Obviously it is always a small amount of fans, but they really do put fans as a whole in a bad light. I have always been of the idea that James decided to leave, Ironically enough because of the success of Bed Friend. Before Bed Friend, himself and Net were not 'stars' in the leading men status, and therefore James would have had more freedom to follow his other passions such as art and singing, along side his responsibilities with the ship. The success of Bed Friend and all the PR responsibility as well as the expectations for a new show, would have removed that freedom as they were now 'leads' and maybe James realised that he loved those other passions more than acting..........ergo leaving acting behind. (That is just my theory though) I am glad that the video calls upon fans to get behind actors decisions rather than try and force them into doing what the masses want.......people seem to forget that actors are people with their own thoughts, dreams and vulnerabilities as well, and deserve respect and privacy. I remember when James and Noeul said they were starting the band, and people were all over Noeul saying he was 'cheating' on Boss, I wanted to reach into the screen and strangle some of them..1. there was no 'cheating' at all. and 2. If the people had bothered to look instead of throw insults they would notice that both Net and Boss are going to be joint captains of the bands fan club once it gets going. Those two are right behind their friends, supporting their choices, so maybe other people could take that as an example. There is one thing I do wish could have been done differently though, if Net and James had been talking about splitting for a while (although in the industry you never know whats going on) and thats the Love Upon a Time trailer. I wish that hadn't come out for the simple reason that Net is still working on the project with JJ and it will make, especially Nets job much harder than it needs to be. With the split I don't doubt the project has lost sponsors now that 'NetJames' are no longer leads, and all the expectations will fall on Nets shoulders with JJ being so new. With the trailer out there, as soon as the new one comes out, or even the series, people will be comparing Net and JJ against Net and James, nitpicking the acting, chemistry, etc. Of course they would do this anyway, but when you have a trailer of exactly the same show with two different partnerships it makes it harder to hide the differences which will arrise, as Net and James had worked together for years, where as JJ is brand new, people can't expect the same things, quite yet. Anyway, this is turning into a PHD thesis so I will stop.......but thank you for the video
The whole Thai acting industry needs to be overhauled as these BL actors are required to sign restrictive contracts where the management companies completely control their lives. Making them pair with the same actor all the time is just wrong on so many levels, it doesn’t happen in western countries. The worst is the way they make these actors pretend to be romantically interested in their costars in order to promote the series. And to attend fan events where they have to play childish suggestive games to entertain fans. Many fans are just as bad as the management companies as they can’t seperate BL actors playing fictional characters on a TV series from their real lives. All regardless of the fact the actors could be straight and have partners in their personal lives. This doesn’t happen to actors in western countries, whereas in Thailand they take advantage of these actors because they know there’s plenty of young actors who’ll take there place if they complain due to the fame & money.
@@bellabana That's true that we don't have this in western countries (France for me). I've been very surprised to discover long term pairings and fan service. I don't like it much, I don't think that's good for actors, personaly and for their carreer
@@daniellelaplace6455 yep, the problem is by pairing these actors with the same partner over & over again fans then start to believe they’re really in a relationship. It perpetuates their belief that they’re a couple in real life as well. Whereas if these companies paired the actors with different actors each time then fans would finally understand they’re just ‘acting’ that it’s part of their ‘job’ to portray different characters on screen. That their jobs are separate from their personal lives.
@@daniellelaplace6455even Korean bl & Japanese bl actors & companies don’t do fixed pairing stuff. I mean they do slight fanservice same as heterosexual pair does but it ends after promotion. I think big problem in Thai bl fanservice is not only actors but entire industry from hosts,sponsors & companies make money out of it.thai industry promotes this fanservice to make money easily without investing musch money. I was really shocked when Thai interviews or hosts of the show ask ridiculous questions that related to fanservice rather than asking about work & acting First Thai bl industry need to be changed & later companies stop using this method to make money
It’s so sad, I liked this pairing. In my personal opinion I can’t blame them for looking better options. It’s clear as day that Zeenuenu is their golden goose and will take priority over anything and anyone else but neglecting the rest of the actors is a stupid move.
Finally someone eased my longing for them 😂 like every point of yours is spot on i understood them but found it impossible to move on from them but ur points made me realize that moving on and supporting them individually is the best thing i can do to prove that i am a genuine n real fan of them❤
I was a huge NetJames shipper as well and was deeply saddened by their split, but completely understood their decision. Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I support Net and James in their new journeys and career choices. This video is a thoughtful, mature perspective of the events and how we fans need to accept decisions made by actors without acting out in negative ways.
Omg i didn't realize they were bullying and harassing him,his friends and family... now his live makes so much sense.....my side of tiktok was filled with people making constructive criticisms, someone even worked on the song and if that had been the version that got out the reception won't have been bad.... that was me thinking that fandom space was improving and people were speaking out because we all genuinely cared about him and want him to succeed...the fandom is always like this then when something bad happens to an artist they kumbaya and pull out the "let's protect the artist" y'all are their greatest danger lol.... wishing jamesu love and strength
I just wish we approached celebrities/ idols etc with so much more humanity. Let them bring you joy until they don’t anymore and then let them go. You don’t have to comment on their life decisions, their relationships, their looks. If you don’t find joy in their content anymore, YOU walk away and thank them for the past joy they’ve brought.
Breaks my heart to see how much hate they both got. They are such beautiful souls, extremely talented. Netizens must really think twice before write a hate tweet. :’(
I loved befriends and I love Net and James. It breaks my heart to hear such terrible things being said about them from the fans. They are trying their best to become successful and bring us joy and entertainment. Why do people have to be so mean. Keep your negativity to yourself, they are just trying to survive in this world like we all are. Give them a break and be happy you were able to enjoy them together for the short period of time you saw them. They are great actors and I feel sorry for them for fans really believing all these BL actors are really together and in love with each other. They are human like the rest of us, so please fans, be nice and stop with all the hateful talk and just enjoy the series for what they are, you have no idea what all they have to go through just to try and make it as actors, singers and dancers. Love to you all. ❤️
I was a fan of a pair which they "broke up" and was sad about it, but I respect their decision. In thai bl industry, i think pairing change should be accepted without any toxicity or harm. it can happen in various situations, but it is not fans place to say that they need to be together, bc they are a person before they are actors. Ofc they can have different life goals, and it is so wrong for fans to tell them that "breaking up" is unacceptable and blame the actors for it just bc of our feelings. and I'm tired of this toxicity everytime a thai bl pair is parting their ways and fandom goes crazy like they are blaming anybody that they could. We don't own the actors. And this madness can be companies' fault if they are not transparent or taking responsibility. I really wish the relationship with every actors and the fandoms are much healthier. I love your vid! I feel like I tend to live in thai bl fantasy that I overlook problematic things and this industries' dark side, so I like to get critical opinions about it.
Like you I have been there, maybe not as long coz I only followed NetJames since early last year but I think I've observed enough to form some opinions. For some of us the split was "expected" but we all thought they would've only split after LUAT aired. We saw the signs as early as MeltIntoYou, technically when they were still touring Asia and at the peak of their partnership. Very subtle signs but at that time very uncomfortable to be discussed. IMO NetJames's split was actually so civil that at first I thought the boys would have gone through their transitions from being paired actors to solos with not much drama. But boy was I wrong lol. The divide in the fandom is so apparent. It's funny to see that people who used to hype them together now turned against each other just because each had preference. I just hope that the fans are as mature as the boys and understand that the shared space should be used to build good rapport for these boys so their works are actually seen, not their fandom drama.
I don't know when people will understand the fact that they are just a source of our entertainment they don't owe us anything and the way some fans thinks it's the responsibility of these actors to care about their feelings like ugh excuse me? Even my bf is not responsible for my feelings let alone these actors. We never see what's behind those perfectly made series or camera. How many hardships they have to go through. I just hope everyone gets to live their dreams , be it James, Net or Ohm Nanon. And I hope we bl fans will not put more pressure on them just to please our sick mentality.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights. I'll say right off that I loathe the shipping culture, or more to the point that certain people feel entitled and cannot separate a character pairing, emphasis on "character", with the actors as real people. They are actors who are acting a part. If the pair are in a romantic relationship in their personal lives is beside the point for me. It's their business and up to them whether they choose to share or not. I enjoy the affectionate friendships that some of the pairs I follow display, but I never want to presume (and never should) that they owe me anything. I can't take seeing the hate that people spew in comments, so I tend to stear clear of a lot of social media and end up missing out on a lot of information. I'm grateful for your theses (can I call them that!?) in video's such as this. I feel really bad that James has been put through all this. Expressing personal preferences is one thing (I have my own), but outright insulting someone is uncalled for.
I am a fan of them both and was heartbroken when they split but a true fan would support them in their individual pursuit which I am doing now , no hate should be thrown towards them especially James as it’s not a crime to pursue your dreams no matter what , I am a big supporter of people and their mental health it’s very important yet sad that people actually take pleasure in bullying others No one will ever know the truth behind their split unless many years from now they actually will tell the truth Until then we can only support them and wish them success in their separate pursuits Your video was very enlightening and very respectful . Thank you 🙏 for that .
I haven’t kept up with BL’s in 2 years but when I opened RUclips and saw this on my homepage I clicked on it just for the title alone! 😭 I just watched your Femphobia video yesterday too. Love you Kayla always. ❤
BL company should pair actors with diff couple like in straight dramas that way these toxic delulu fans will ship them less but anyway some ppl stays toxic and dont take actors as actors
Thank you for your dedicated effort in explaining this. It’s a sad thing that when actors/artists excel people outside of it transpose it to reality with unrealistic expectations.Bed Friend was clearly very well put together…from storytelling, filming, production, direction, acting to creation it excelled and because it excelled people who don’t know what it is to create took it for real.Thank you for calling them out and putting well researched facts in their way. I hope James and everyone else involved don’t suffer significantly and they let them follow the paths they wish to pursue. Further I find it really disturbing that these actors are expected to go through an income hiatus while waiting for production to proceed. That would be a very difficult path to follow in terms of survival…physically, mentally and emotionally.
I always enjoy your videos! Thank you for all the great content you put out. I love both Net and James and will continue to support them both in whatever they do. They are both incredible people who deserve the love and respect. Just because they aren't a Ship anymore doesn't mean they don't deserve to be happy with themselves and what they are doing in the future.
I think they talked about splitting the pair after finishing the last series, but with all the delays, it dragged on and on. When James hurt himself, he might have decided to move the split forward due to the pain and not wanting to add pressure to the production troubles. Personally, I want fans to change their mindset. Firstly, I want fans to realize that we don't own actors just because we buy their products. When you buy bread. you don't get the baker too. When you buy meat, you don't own the butcher. Buying art or merc (music series, movies, fine art) doesn't mean you own the people who created it. Secondly, don't confuse fanservice with true romantic love. Actors do fanservice because of the toxic environment of the industry. They do it because they need to work and to work requires attracting the attention of fans, investors, and sponsers. And sure, pairs who stay together for years do love each other, but not romantically. As friends. As brothers. Thirdly, artists (Idols, actors) have the right to be happy in their personal lives. They don't owe us any information about who they are dating, what their or their partner's gender or sexuality is, where they are going or what they are doing. They have the right to privacy and happiness outside of the work they do.
Another very good video essay exploring the hostility directed at James after the end of his partnership with Net. Like you I greatly enjoyed Bed Friend, their chemistry was excellent and it was easy to imagine that they had a very successful career ahead as a ship. I don't know why they split, like you I tend to the view that James had tasted success with Bed Friend but had come to realise that he saw a different future ahead of him. Some have suggested that he was jealous of ZeeNuNew, that he wanted the chances that Nhu was given to carve out a career as a global singing star but I don't buy that, Nhu's singing and stage craft is unusual in one without theatrical training in music theatre and his voice is exceptional, besides James readily admits that he isn't in that league. It's been horrible to watch the viciousness of the attacks on him after his debut single, and let's be honest he's no worse than many Thai singer/actors and better than some more established stars; and as eye candy he's top notch. I was very pleased to see Net, Nhu, and Zee coming out in support of James as well as other Thai actors, it's no less than he deserves as a young man trying to find his feet in the business. Good luck to him,, and god luck to Net with JJ.
I personally don't think it's the end (me being delulu) but we should also give james some time they only said he is not going to film LUAT but it can also mean during that period he may be taking a role of an artist and he can come back and shoot more series with net and I think all the hate he is getting he does not deserve it cause who said following your dreams is a sin it is not so maybe he just wants to try out being an artist and he will come back that is his choice and we should respect that I mean they are full grown men im pretty sure they know what they are doing and we all know they will still support each other no matter what so let's think of it as a new beginning
There shouldn't be ANY shipping which is fake anyway for BL actors or singers and I think BL actors shouldn't be made to do any of over the top fan service unless they really are a couple eg Max & Tul and Ohm & Nanon, you'd swear they were real couple; not like so many other BL artists that fake it to make it look like they're a real couple ... No wonder there's so many delusional fans out there and they go mental when they split up ... They're damned if they do and damned if they don't
I loved how you documented this whole thing... it is so beautifully done... My favourite ship is actually Pond Phuwin even in which Pond is the one I love the most... but I did too started liking Net James especially Net after seeing Bed Friends... I did hope would get to see them in more series together but then got to hear about James quitting the acting and moving towards art and singing... for a moment I did feel anger and irritation but then I stopped and thought that these guys are actors which is a profession like any other... they just make dramas so that we can get a break from our daily life and live in the world they built us to get away from momentarily stress... but we do many times indulge in things as per our choices and not some one else's so these actors too have a right to live their lives the way they wish to and with who they wish to... when they act they are selling the story to us not themselves or their ships... it's us who should know where to draw the lines and to ship them only for the drama not for their reality.
My bl friends are blaming be because i said something was up in October last year (2023) and then i reminded them very nicely in January and then they split but honestly - for me it was clear that something wasn’t right very early on. Also - they are very different as people and it’s okay - life goes on and Net seems happier then ever working with Jj. They still talk with each-other so i don’t understand the problem.
I don't think the entire issue is that these actors are mismanaged, instead I think the companies often don't realize how big or popular certain pairings will get. Take GMMTV for example, they knew Krist & Gawin would be an odd pairing so they didn't market them heavily. So when they delivered a surprisingly good show, it was a shock to everyone. Are the companies maybe fueling these fan fights and toxicity? I think so, cause it makes money. These companies also need better PR departments to handle these couple shake ups.
You are amazing human being! As a new BL fan who only stepped into this world this year, the first thing I find disturbing is how some fans are unable to stay rational towards rumours, which are utterly toxic for other fans. I mean I really don’t even want to see those. But they’re everywhere!
I think it is also with their talent management. They should set the stage much better making it look like a soft separation... Bc i think it was too sudden for the fans although they have been discussing it silently.... They should have shown more of james solo projects or events so they will think that they have solo plans as well... Similar to OhmNannon, although it was still a chaos within fans... They should push thru with other plans like his clothing business or singing dancing career to fans so fans will think he has other projects aside from dramas with net...
Those fans need to grow up, to realize its a business and nothing more, we can love them together because they make us feel all goey but our delulu self should know when to leave delulu in delululand
Me gusto mucho el video, es triste ver lo que está pasando con ellos en cuánto a todo el odio que reciben de personas desubicadas. El fanservice como le llaman, me parece algo muy desagradable, solo genera morbo y falsas fantasías aunados al objetivo de que su razón de ser sea el atraer al público y generar dinero. Es esta la razón por la que al no cumplir con ese "acuerdo" entre los artistas y los fans, todo se vuelve un caos y odio hacia ellos. Espero pronto termine todo este acoso y continúen con su vida, dejándolos de molestar y quedándose con ellos los que verdaderamente los respeten por lo que son: Seres independientes que harán con su vida lo que ellos quieran y ya depende de nosotros si decidimos apoyarlos o solo alejarnos ❤
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even though Net and James are not pair anymore they are still friends
Thank you so much for sharing your information and thoughts with us. I appreciate the time and effort you take to make these videos. (Big hugs!) I think if fans are actually fans they should care about the idol/actor/author/singer/dancer they should want that person to be happy. They should advocate for the person to do what will bring them closer to a happy place. I don't understand wanting to push what you want on to someone else. We don't know all their circumstances, baggage, trauma, capabilities, desires, dreams... so we should be support and celebrate people when they let us know they've had a win. Once again: thank you. Many hugs, Z. Allora
I love how gen 2 of dumondi video chat with james and all gen 2 was there even Net and the still include him as part of the gen 2 group. Even tho net and james cant be seen together. I also said that james is trying new thing with his singing as like a trial and error. You dont know if something works well if you doing try it. If just practice a bit more im sure james would be better. I just feel bad for Net, James and now JJ
I think the main issue of thai BL pop culture: 1. Toxic fans are flooding the scene thanks to the toxic shipping culture brought from toxic KPOP culture. 2. Parasocial behaviour created from years of years supporting toxic Kpop culture. Oh well, let's admit people who ship these BL actors were from Kpop fandom scene. Tell me if not. 3. The idolism, an illusion created by (again) kpop companies to their artists that now spill over to thai BL pop culture thanks to Kpop fans flooding the scene. They put the same expectation, the same behaviour like they've learnt during kpop time thet were in. Well, I'm gonna tell you the harsh truth. The actors, they are just working. The BL drama they are in is an IP created by their company that usually involve acting, singing, dancing, merchandise and offline events. The BL ship is a marketing tool to sell the actors and IP they are in. Treat BL couple like a group or duo, they are just IN THERE to work, to climb the career ladder in entertainment industry.
So true i generally like watching lakorn and suddenly during lockdown I started seeing many bl series pop up so I watch them and I like it but after lockdown suddenly bl started getting more popular and so are the fans and it's true 70% of bl fans are kpop stan so their expectations is really high n toxic when it comes to concert music n dance and after seeing this wave of bl fans obviously company is going to use it as opportunity
I just watched a trailer for DMD friendship season 2, where a bunch of DMD BL actors are going to be deciding on which of the other contestants will be their BL partner. JJ was in the running. So it's odd that he's apparently been confirmed to be partnering with Net? Net wasn't among the participants. But well, I'm very out of the loop, and idk when DMD friendship was filmed or how much of it is scripted. Anyways yeah I wish shipping culture didn't exist.
I think these shows are as much about showcasing the new talent as they are about matching people up. Ohm is also on the show, and he is paired with Jimmy in TNP.
@@AmosRambles yeah may be❤ but why net is so desperately shipping hard with jj??is his fanservice or what watching his recent tweets nd previous live with jj 🤔 like he is desperately shipping himself with jj is it for fanservice or what I really don't understand .
recently net is supporting jj much reposting jjs tiktok videos and tweeting so much with jj lookalike he himself shipping is it real or just fanservice ???
@@Soniamagar-fc7in I suspect it is just building the pair ahead of LUAT workshops and filming. After the split with James, Net needs to make sure JJ is well supported if the show is going to be successful.
@@Soniamagar-fc7in it is fan service while they build their partnership. Don’t read more into it than that unless the way they discuss their relationship shifts. There is nothing inherently romantic about simply liking or sharing the posts of someone you are working with. It is a professional relationship with the potential for friendship. Net is only doing what is needed to help bring interest for the pairing for LUAT.
About the funds raised for Love Upon a Time, wasn't that due to the Net James pairing? Are they going to use that money to go into production or are they going to do a new trailer and another round off of NetJJ? I am in a wait and see mindset for NetJJ. With NetJames the characters they played complimented each other without infantalising the 2nd partner. I hope NetJJ have as strong a dynamic.
Thank you very much for your video!! I’m also so into NetJames and dun wanna come out til now. I hate ppl hurting James, I don’t think the split is all his fault and all along he takes all the responsibility on himself. On the other hand I actually a bit angry with Net, since what I saw is James protect him, even on the award ceremony, Net explained their split is supported by each other, and he even not expressed well, James help him to complete what he want to say. The situation is like Net wants fans to accept his new partner and move on the new stage as soon. In ig live, Net defected for JJ, how’s James? He is also attacked by JJ’s fans, if he still friend with James, he shouldn’t say nth on the issues and let James in front of him, protect him and keep hurt by the crazy fans. From the announcement on 29 Feb until now, I really really heartbroken with James. He deserves to be treated better. I still hope one day they can hang out tgt in the public, and tell the fans that they are still friends. And not like now, even in the same activity but cannot play tgt. At last, I dun wanna see the “Love Upon a Time” to be done not by NetJames, I remember someone said this story is written by the same writer of befriend after she meet NetJames, that is a NetJames story actually.
There is a thin very very very thin line between fans and when fans are unhinged they a become fanatics, fanatism is terrorism these actors must be protected at all cost . That’s been said James is a perfect example of immaturity and lack of self-esteem, this young man need serious psychological support to survive in this industry! Yes he needs to work on his vocal and all technical music issues, but those are details, before hands he needs to know who he really is make peace with his past and himself first and certainly learn to love himself and be selconfident! ! I wish him all the best
I feel really bad for James. Yes, did I love the NetJames ship? Absolutely, they will forever be one of my favorites. People are so ridiculous. I can not believe the hate James is getting. Ignorant, jealous people are the ones picking at his self character. This was a very good video. I share the same attitude as you. We should be supporting James! Love to James and Net!❤❤
Shipping culture needs to end! It’s never not toxic! I think would be great if pairings end and actors can just be actors playing roles, no fixed ships
I think it's great that James is deciding to pursue a career as an artist! If that's what he feels is his calling, that's awesome. Just like how Tul from MaxTul decided to leave the entertainment industry and focus on real estate and is now no longer an actor, it's like you can do whatever you want to do. I know lots of people wanted him to continue the MaxTul thing but he's like I want to do my own thing now. Especially with how he came out with being together in real life with Mew (a topic that is apparently trending) and said there is such backlash from this since people wanted him to be with Max and Mew with Gulf. He even said he's getting death threats. I didn't really believe TulMew were together but it seems as if they actually are from all the stuff being said and the interviews and everything. I'm still skeptical but since even news sites are stating they are together, it's like O.O I never would have thought that though. But if they really are together then good for them. You can be with whoever you want to be. It's just if it's not your shipped couple fans seem to find it outrageous. Sighs.
I loved NetJames! I watched Bed Friends and this couple was the first ever couple I looked up and followed on social media haha! their chemistry was so amazing! Sad they’re apart now but the memories will live on!
It is just like ohm nanon case. Their "called" fans even sent a car with banner on it. Idk why but ppl must be more mature, like come on touch some grass. They are just working partner.
Can't put Neanderthals and those people in the same category because at least they didn't know better. I still can't understand how anyone can go on the internet a say messed up stuff about people.
Ok, then. As someone who has long disdained the uniquely Thai practice of shipping BL actors as a marketable commodity, I will refrain from commenting much on the content of this essay. I find both business problems and creative issues for the artists roped into these ships. I think the video illuminates aspects of both complaints, so no need to distract from the NetJames focus of the essay (which I am indifferent to) by interogating further the wider generic issues. Shipping culture comes across poorly in this final analysis, and I will take that small victory in a larger battle and keep quiet. Well... Almost quiet. Two comments away from NetJames specific issues and away from my disdain for shipping as a practice. 1. For a "production major," you have a deft touch with historical storytelling. (And always have.) The way you laid out the various timelines (NetJames, production histories) + explained the way the Thai prouction business works + the role of (toxic) fan culture all merged to form an easy-to-follow narrative. Reconstruction of complicated, interlocking past events defines the essence of what historians do. I can only hope that you play a role in script construction in any future production efforts, so that flair for narrative integrity is out to good use. 2. This is a political point of view, but I think most of the time an accusation of queerbaiting can only be levelled by actual queer people.Baiting queers means (literally! The meaning is baked into the words!) the objectionable behavior is targeted toward queer people. In particular, the way in which that expression crops up among BL fans in connection with actors or plotlines is a misuse of the term's original meaning. And while language can evolve, this dubious use of the word waters down an expression originally intended to highlight how straight society diminishes and erases queer lives. That isn't what is going on when an actor hired to play a fictional character has a real life that never matched the fiction (or ever needed to). Nor if a series falls short of the level of romance (or number of kisses) an individual viewer may have expected to see. These emotional responses are legitimate. Straight fans may feel disappointed. They may feel cheated. But they have not been queerbaited. I wish the BL community would resort to an alternative term to express this particular disappointment. ("False advertising" is the only comparable expression that springs to mind; yet, that one is not fully satisfactory either. How about a neologism: shipbaited?)
Great essay but I (in my opinion) noticed a significant change in fan's behavior towards james after the Live Net did to announce their break up, he was very emotional and fans didn't listen to his words but his emotions thinking there's a hidden reason and the culprit was James. Yes, the management already announced their separation bit they could've have handled the artists announcing themselves much better, they should have made them do a joint live where they express being in good friendship even if their work ship is ending. Yes Fans are babies that needs to be taught like toddlers, not to even mention the delusional ones Then the music, james is a decent singer, he's not a vocalist but he is a decent singer/performer. As much as i love him, i must admit the cover they released (the first significant project after announcing he is leaving acting for singing) fell way below expectations and domundi shouldn't have put something so raw out or even give him that song that doesn't flatter his vocal range So yes, fans were shocked. I personally was thinking, how do you intend to make money off this because, yes you have gained the celebrity status but people are waiting to see if your new career is worth their time and money, including sponsors and event managers To me, it all goes down to the domundi being a shitty company, they don't know what's best for their individual artist. They can't treat everyone the same, people has different strength and weakness
@@RegiQueenty I’m days late but since you pointed out Net’s IG live wherein he was very emotional, I would also like to say that somehow, with that, it antagonized James. Maybe I’m just reading in it too much or I have read so many stories with plots like these lol. At first I emphatized with Net when I saw him crying in his live but later, I felt something was off with it. People, especially fans of an onscreen couple, tend to sympathize with the other pair who’s known to be more affectionate with their pair. Like for the pairing NetJames, people adore Net more because he’s clingy, affectionate towards James, and all that fanservice while James was more discreet and it sometimes translates as to uninterest. Therefore when the pairing broke up, the people supporting them had prejudices towards James because in their heads, James was aloof, not caring towards Net, or not showing the same interest in their ship, etc. Also the fact that James is not giving the results that people had expected him to show with his decisions. James was determined to be an artist, people set their eyes on him and his performance and when James did not deliver what they expected, he was easily ridiculed. I feel like James is one of the most hated artists in the BL industry right now and it’s sad because he did not do anything wrong towards the community. He faced more hate than those who had histories with homophobia, bullying, etc. just because he decided to stop being a BL actor and focused on exploring other possibilities.
Great video! Very informative and respectful. Would love to see a breakdown of maxtul/mewgulf fandom perspective if you're interested. Although i know it involves a real relationship and not just "fun shipping" so may be kind of overstepping. Anyway, subscribed so id catch the next one.
I love your channel I would love to hear your thoughts on the problematic writing Chao Planoy(most top gls written by her) and rise of GL..loving your work
Thank you for this video and the explanation involved with the bl industry. I like your insight. For the bl actors, thanks for entertaining and making my day so many times. I hope for happiness for each one of you. For James, You are a gifted and talented entertainer. Kudos for foowing your own dreams.
Lord... James might not be the best singer but the discourse around those clips was crazy! I think it's largely a backlash about bl actors doing concert events (which imo are ultimately harmless BUT I'm sure some of the actors would rather be doing something else lol), but James wants to be an artist. I hope he practices and improves on that front, I have nothing to gain from his downfall! I never finished Bed Friend but I still want to, I enjoyed what I saw of him there. I hope he can feel fulfilled on his new path
I think shipping culture is fine as long as some minor changes are made. The actors should state before they start doing fanservice that what you will be seeing is fanservice. Don't try and trick fans into believing your relationship is real because that will only make fans hate you. If the actors literally say "I'm about to do fanservice." and then go about doing it, fans should understand that it's not real and it's just something cute and adorable they will be doing to cater to fans. That way if they do NOT state it's fanservice and do things fans will realize it IS real. You need to have a clear statement that what is going to happen is fanservice and if it's not stated, it is real. That is what I think should happen. That way fans can enjoy fanservice between actors but also support them when it really IS real. And it will be obvious when it's real versus when it's just fanservice. With the way things are now, it's hard to tell what is real and what is fanservice. I think that has to change. I think it should change to make it more obvious whether something is fanservice and whether something is real. Because you CAN be real but you can also just do fanservice too. Also, don't get me started on 'assuming sexualities'. I know lots of people say "Don't assume this person is gay." But I've never heard "Don't assume this person is straight." It goes both ways you know. If you don't assume someone's sexuality, don't assume they are straight either bc being straight is also a sexuality. For me, I don't believe an actor is ANYTHING even straight unless HE SAYS THIS OFFICIALLY. Such as "I'm straight." or "I only like girls." Not "I've only ever had girlfriends before" but "I only like girls." There are actually gay guys who have had girlfriends before and have ONLY had girlfriends before. That does not make them straight. I've known multiple gay guys who have only had girlfriends before to protect themselves and were worried about coming out, so they got a girlfriend. I hate when people say, "He's not gay, he has a girlfriend." I'm like that doesn't mean anything. If he literally says, "I only like girls and have only ever had girlfriends before" that would mean they are straight. But the rest is just unconfirmed.
They just wanted to take different career paths and that's what we all want to do. Its called free will to make our own choices even if we might fail.They get to decide their own lives. The fans have no say and if you as a fan think so you better take a good look at your own lives.
I dislike HATERS if you call yourself a fan, then start all the bad talking, to me you was never a Fan. The actors are people, that work hard and deserve respect.
I am not fan of net and James. I watched bed friend. James is very good in portraying emotions. Why do they give James same kind of roles in 3 series. How do y girls expect 20+ year old man /women to not date anyone. Important note James is on a stern diet to look certain way. It is tough guys.
Your video was very informative for me! I thank you for that and hope that all the haters, but also the rest of us who are healthy, see this video! 🥰❤️🙏
i don't want to dog pile on p'aof because I see how the guys feel about him in a such a positive way but, and clearly he is capable of creating pairings and series that people feel really passionate about but the work being done in DMD, Mandee, their goods shop/store, even the music management company (can't even remember the name) is clearly not working out. If he's too nice to fire bad workers or is overworking the few he has like i have no idea what's going on but nothing seems to be changing and these thingsa re going to keep happening. There was a lack of transparency with TNP but ZNN have been able to be a pair that has so much work even without a series. They have the ability to wait years in between series but i don't know. I get theyre a small company and we shouldn't be expecting a GMM level turnout but its getting a bit tiresome?
Those fans continue with videos, not out of "meaning well" to either Ohm, Nanon, Mew, Gulf, and certainly not in a positive way regarding Bible and Build. They continue with those videos so that they, the fans/fanbases, don't feel like they have been forgotten or ignored.
@@VixenByNight72 I think it's ok to make edits of the series they acted in but not merging their real life activities and conjure meanings to the point of disrespecting their current partners and even jeopardizing their future/current project. How do they want sponsors and brands to feel when they think the new ship will get more hate than love/support if they advertise anything
@Just.A.BL.Fan8 They don't care about how their behavior could have an effect on their possible future profession choices, because it's still not with the fans preferred partner.
Hi Moon 🙋🏻♂️. It's 5 A.M. here in Houston, Texas and I'm watching your video before I depart for work. This is a topic I did not* know I needed until I watched it. Thank-you for this. 🙏🏻 Khob khun krub! (Do I remember correctly? You have a degree either in Psychology or is your degree something to do with creating films/tv series? Do I remember ?) 🇺🇸🏳️🌈🤝🇵🇭🏳️🌈 P.S. James and Net are pretty. 🤩 7:18 You just said, "As someone who went to school for Production... ."
Great video. I'd like to give another perspective. James always seemed to have the dream of being a superstar, being recognized as an all-rounder, and unlike Net, he didn't come from a millionaire family. With the series productions being postponed and the airing of two series in a row that were not successful either in Thailand or internationally, James realized that he might not be able to achieve his goal if he continued on this path and became frustrated. And it seems that NetJames weren't always on the same page. I remember that during the DMD LAND shows, James was always praised for his stage performance, so I believe that this gave him another perspective for trying out a new environment with new people and new projects. Unfortunately, it seems that it wasn't well received and I agree that he still has a lot to train and adjust to his potential, but now with the end of the ship and the announcement of Net's new partner, he is literally in the middle of the BL world hurricane where every day the public chooses someone to crucify. I wish him absolute success because he is a good person, just like Net. And I hope that after a lot of hard work he can achieve at least the beginning of his dream.
Super valid. These ACTORS don’t owe us anything, but quality work. Whether that be in acting or another medium. In life, you got to do what you got to do in order to make your dreams come true
@@samcarmen yes! And just like anyone working to make a living they deserve to get paid and be able to provide for themselves. It sounds like he didn’t have much of a choice. I think people erroneously assume they are all making bank and rich, but they’re not and it can be really detrimental not to be working.
Well said!!
Yes you are correct. I to have same opinion on them
exactly really well said ❤
These actors are people, not their characters and "fans" need to accept that. Demanding behaviors you want is not love for the actor. Good for James pursuing his own dreams/ambitions. And good for Net supporting his friend. I will watch and support them as a fan in whatever they do and wish their company would help them succeed.
This is why I don’t like fan service and shipping culture. I mentioned this story in my LGBTQ+ class film essay about Lovely Writer.
This morning I saw a RUclips post by Hana MewGulf 2 of Apo in a photoshoot with a beautiful woman, and the first two comments were “Who the hell is she?” “That better be a photoshoot!” 🙄
You can be a fan, but there’s a difference between a fan and a toxic fan. I’m glad NetJames are friends in real life because the entertainment industry divides and conquers.
As a tween I went through the five stages of grief when Matt Smith left Dr. Who, but I never trashed him on RUclips.
To me I see it a bit differently. Although I do like to hear others opinions on the subject.
To me Fan service does exactly what it says on the tin........it can't be much clearer in what it is, it's in the name...........a service for the fans. It doesn't even try to pretend that it's real. These guys are actors, and they make a living by pretending to be other people. (Now I know I sometimes see things differently as I used to act myself.) The actors are sometimes just having fun and interacting with their fans.
Should fan service be compulsory for ships........nope.........(but thats another topic)
For me the issue comes with the societal discourse which is sadly becoming more dominant over the past few years, which allows fans to think they can act this way. Fan's are feeling more entitled, more like they own their favourite pairing rather than support them. That is on the rise (In my mind) due to the use of a wide variety of areas in the internet that are not policed and people can find people who think the way they do, and whip each other into a frenzy (sticking to the topic of NetJames for a second, I dare bed their were lots of small areas where anti fans of James got together to make him out to be the devil incarnate with no one there to temper that madness.) Another problem is that people have more and more access to the background of actors than they ever have before, leading then to think they 'know them' and that with that knowledge they can make choices for them. The line between the actor and audience, isn't just fading, it's vanished and that isnt just bad for the actors but the fans as well, as it gives them false expectations and beliefs.
There are more of course, but put these together, along with ships, and you get the perfect storm for toxic fans. It is not the shipping cultures fault in my opinion (as this does happen in other parts of the world).........however it does make it easier to people to focus their anger when somthing goes wrong.
Another instance was when fans were hating on newwiee (from GMMtv) for having a girlfriend
I kept thinking "aren't you supposed to be happy for him?"
I felt so bad for New, he's such a cutie. He doesn't deserve the hate
I went through the grief as well when Matt Smith left Doctor Who. He was my favorite Doctor.
Ahh, mine is the 10th doctor, David Tennant. I couldn't watch the 11th thereafter until about a year after I saw a highlight of the Christmas special with the previous doctor in one episode.
I do think the companies and the entire "fixed ship" system needs to change. I understand wanting to see people with good chemistry play in multiple series tgt but companies play too much into fans' delusion where they promote a pairing like "products" which is honestly not a sustainable business strategy either. Promoting ships as a product will never end well - all actors and actresses need to have their individual and unique branding that is completely separate to their ship. Unfortunately most companies who manages BL actors are crap at this and it's such an easy target for all the parasocial weirdos to latch onto
While I agree that fixed ships should not be forced on actors. I do think that for some actors it works brilliantly. Some actors work better with a fixed partner, it allows them to grow rather than restrict them. It allows them to know their screen partner and explore with each show, each project. And even some ships have managed to retain that individual branding, as well as do things that transcend the ship, while still working together.
So while I agree that the system does need to change and give the actors a lot more protection than they currently get, I do think that for some actors.........it is a good thing and doesn't need to be changed.
After all fans need to learn that they are responsible for their own behaviour at the end of the day............thats somthing else that needs to be changed
I agree about new pairings. There's a level of stagnation when people are paired together with the same dynamics. For an example: would Saint have been able to be assertive in his pairing with Perth? Like he was with Zee. Probably not. Because it's not just the pairing that is set its dynamic. Fans don't like change. I see the freedom of actors without a pairing to diversify like Gawin and the creativity he gets to enjoy because he isn't locked in to a role. I'm not saying that it's for all time. The great thing is if a couple with amazing chemistry works together again it's just a bonus
I just wanted to jump in and clarify a few things. In many original sources, the translation referred to him as an "artist," not an "idol." And it’s clear he’s pursuing singing, not visual art. He’s spoken extensively about his training to join the boy band with Noeul and how production delays were affecting him and the others in the group.
As a fan who genuinely supports Net and James I’m happy for each of them to continue to do what they chose. However, I can't overlook the fact that his management chose to release an audio of such low quality. I’m not blaming him, because he’s openly said he’s still working on his skills. I respect that, and since it’s the career path he’s chosen, I fully support him. But what about his management? Where were they in all this?
For many of us, it’s not just about accents-it’s about the lack of technical skill in the singing itself. Why didn’t they select a song better suited to his vocal range? Why wasn’t autotuning or any form of production enhancement used? How did no one stop and think, “Maybe we shouldn’t post this, or it could become a meme?” I refuse to believe that everyone involved has hearing issues.
You’re right, though-some people do take things too far. The amount of hate directed at him, Net, or JJ is completely out of line. Personally, I’m sad the "ship" ended, especially since I saw them in person at a fan meet just a month before. It hurt, of course. But I would never go online to spam them with hate or negative comments.
At the same time, I also won’t pretend that a poorly sung song is something to praise. Being a fan doesn’t mean blindly accepting everything your favourite artist creates. There are other ways to support them without ignoring flaws or being dishonest. How else can they improve if they are not aware of it?
But maybe that’s just my perspective…
What bothered me most about their split was how you could very visibly see the hurt and pain in Net and James' eyes during their lives, yet the "fans"( i use that term very lightly) still wanted to bash James even though you could tell it wasn't an easy decision for him. Seeing them both get visibly upset made my heart ache for them (thats called empathy for those so-called fans, something they should learn more about). I stand by Net and James and their future endeavors, whatever they may be. As a fan of many, my only wish is for them to always be healthy and happy.
@@lisareel6884
I absolutely agree with you.
People with "normal" daily job sometimes want dry out new things too or changing all together their courrier and their is nothing wrong with it.
Me personally think if you not satisfied with what you are doing why not trying out something else and if it is not working out then their is always the way back or a other courrier.
I will always adore Net and James and I wish them a lot of success and happiness in what they are doing.❤️👏👍
You are so right about questioning the state of shipping culture in Thai BLs. I am worried that toxicity is starting to make its way over into western media’s queer shows. Like the way I see so many people desperate for Kit Connor to be cast as Hulking now that Joe Locke is (likely) casted as Wiccan.
I cannot understand this toxicity of fans (and I think the biggest example is OhmNnn, or maybe I'm too into that fandom). Actors are not responsible for our feelings, we are. And we don't own them bc we give them love. It's probably the opposite. So, I can understand feelings of sadness and anger or wtv but acting hurtfully to others on those feelings is off limits. Anyway, great video as always. I love your opinions, and you have a very beautiful voice! Stay well ❤
DMD has always worked for their actors though. LUAT being delayed would not have prevented Net or James working on other projects either together or separately. Net signed up to to Dangerous Boys 2 while waiting for LUAT, so I don’t buy that the LUAT delay halting their career is necessarily a factor.
LUAT was announced in 2022 when production companies were aggressively announcing future productions post COVID restrictions. Bed Friend and Middleman’s Love were filmed and released in 2023, so LUAT getting held for 2024 isn’t too bad. There were 4 main pairs in DMD at the time, so the company was balancing what they could reasonably release while in recovery. MaxNat deserved to have Naughty Babe filmed and released last year. And Two Worlds wasn’t a Mandee production so this is outside the production schedule anyway. Same with After Sundown - it wasn’t produced by Mandee, and ZNN haven’t had a series together since Cutie Pie 2 You (which was a mini series bridging Cutie Pie and Naughty Babe).
NJ were never going to go from back to back filming BF, MML, LUAT with no break in 2023 - DMD and Mandee don’t operate that way as they were not resourced for concurrent shows to be filmed while taking care of everyone else. If NJ got all the focus, then MN, or ZNN would have lost out. They don’t have GMMTV resources, though they are improving.
Whatever happened, I don’t see it being related to LUAT directly, as DMD would support them doing whatever they want. Tutor Yim have worked outside Mandee, Zee was doing back to back Lakorns, NuNew and Tommy have been working on their music. If James wanted to do other things, DMD would have supported him, whether he left LUAT or not. Whatever the reason, I wish James the best for his future.
@@AmosRambles I think James was done with acting and subsequently promoting as a BL pair as it involved acting in the new series, he thought he could do well as a solo dancer and singer cos the shippers overlooked his lacking singing skills for the sake of supporting the pair and to see them perform together, but James was under the impression that most of their fans would support his solo singing career cos they actually liked his singing
@@DaughterofMother1 which I think he's not doing so bad only that people expect the best from someone immediately and not realising that success doesn't have to be once
ngl i wasnt the most invested in this ship so it didnt really affect me when it ended but i can understand being upset i cannot understand blaming them tho
Thank you for bringing up the vitriol that was unleashed with the release of James' newest music video. To me, it felt like an excuse for so-called "fans" to release their anger, bitterness, resentfulness, and hurt over James' decision to not continue his CP partnership with Net. Even now with his special appearance in the Tutor/Yim series, "Battle Of The Writers", I have seen folks positioning that James was "lying" about his need to stop acting in BLs. Maybe he had completed filming his guest role in that series before the announcement was made about him not continuing on with his professional CP with Net. Also, even if the filming was done after the announcement had been made, so what. James has every right to do whatever he chooses to do for his own career.
@@VixenByNight72 As ever, a voice of reason wandering through a wilderness of unmoored passion.
@johnmaster3748 I am just utterly tired of the inane madness that comes from some fans not accepting that these performers have every right to make whatever choice they want to make for their own professional careers. You, as a fan, have the choice to accept it or not, but your choice in going off the rails, in reaction to the choice isn't going to make that individual change his, her, or their minds. This isn't about blindy supporting anything that they choose to do. It's understanding that you, as a fan, have absolutely no say in what these individuals choose to do for themselves and knowing that you have no right to demand that these performers behave in the way that you want them to behave. That it isn't just about what you want.
Hello Dallas! 🙋🏻♂️I hope you're well. 👋🏻
I really liked NetJames and was sad that they split but after a while I just lost interest in both of them individually. I still want to see Love Upon a Time, but it's not a top priority. Aside from that, James' most recent venture into serious music just isn't my taste and it probably could have been polished a little more. I'll miss this pair but there are many other pairings out there.
I was always a NetJames fan, but James' acting was so amazing to me, speaking with his whole face and carrying himself with such class. You could call him beautiful or handsome and both were fitting. His hair and his makeup were always on point. I will definitely miss him in acting roles. I do however visit him on IG occasionally and enjoy his dancing, singing, and beauty. Do what makes you happy James, that's what makes your true fans happy. ❤
Oh, Thank you for the background information. It opens our eyes little.
BL 'fans' seem to more like football fans, devoted to a team but often vindictive towards managers and players if they do not perform to their standard. Acting is a job, and looking at the ages of most of these actors, they are only at the start at their working lives, most older adults often end up in an area completely different from where they start. Daniel Craig started in tv drama, he now seems to a niche playing against type as gay protagonists.
Is it the age and life experience of fans that gives them unrealistic expectations, and then its cultured by fan service for money? I often look at these acting couples and think the pressure must be enormous, because they job relies on them getting along almost 24/7 with your acting partner . If your project goes well its like ground hog day, rinse and repeat, instead of being able to try something new, you a need a work and personal divorce, its like a football team club selling a player when the fans want them to stay with the fallout. People talk about personal choice being good but then are angry when someone makes a choice they do not like. These are life choices for real people, with real consquences, not cartoon charecters to be manipulated.
The sad thing is the standard of these dramas is increasing, to get even better they have to evolve, which means things will change, fan pressure prevents change what you are left is stagnation. If you look at the pair Off/Gun, I like them both as actors, but the despiration to find them material for them to act as a couple is making them act in projects that are way below their competence.
@lgate8634 I would spend a few pithy words commending the more astute points I this comment, but my football team (NFL) is down to the final two minutes of a tight game. My full attention is most definitely elsewhere. (Oh, and my guys have underperformed my expectations today. Good call.)
Well done.
I'm happy I'm not into ships and I find the "money grabbing" attitute behind it more disgusting than anything else...
Thanks for the video, I am glad that someone called out the fans who acted badly surrounding this. Obviously it is always a small amount of fans, but they really do put fans as a whole in a bad light.
I have always been of the idea that James decided to leave, Ironically enough because of the success of Bed Friend. Before Bed Friend, himself and Net were not 'stars' in the leading men status, and therefore James would have had more freedom to follow his other passions such as art and singing, along side his responsibilities with the ship. The success of Bed Friend and all the PR responsibility as well as the expectations for a new show, would have removed that freedom as they were now 'leads' and maybe James realised that he loved those other passions more than acting..........ergo leaving acting behind. (That is just my theory though)
I am glad that the video calls upon fans to get behind actors decisions rather than try and force them into doing what the masses want.......people seem to forget that actors are people with their own thoughts, dreams and vulnerabilities as well, and deserve respect and privacy.
I remember when James and Noeul said they were starting the band, and people were all over Noeul saying he was 'cheating' on Boss, I wanted to reach into the screen and strangle some of them..1. there was no 'cheating' at all. and 2. If the people had bothered to look instead of throw insults they would notice that both Net and Boss are going to be joint captains of the bands fan club once it gets going. Those two are right behind their friends, supporting their choices, so maybe other people could take that as an example.
There is one thing I do wish could have been done differently though, if Net and James had been talking about splitting for a while (although in the industry you never know whats going on) and thats the Love Upon a Time trailer. I wish that hadn't come out for the simple reason that Net is still working on the project with JJ and it will make, especially Nets job much harder than it needs to be. With the split I don't doubt the project has lost sponsors now that 'NetJames' are no longer leads, and all the expectations will fall on Nets shoulders with JJ being so new. With the trailer out there, as soon as the new one comes out, or even the series, people will be comparing Net and JJ against Net and James, nitpicking the acting, chemistry, etc. Of course they would do this anyway, but when you have a trailer of exactly the same show with two different partnerships it makes it harder to hide the differences which will arrise, as Net and James had worked together for years, where as JJ is brand new, people can't expect the same things, quite yet.
Anyway, this is turning into a PHD thesis so I will stop.......but thank you for the video
The whole Thai acting industry needs to be overhauled as these BL actors are required to sign restrictive contracts where the management companies completely control their lives.
Making them pair with the same actor all the time is just wrong on so many levels, it doesn’t happen in western countries. The worst is the way they make these actors pretend to be romantically interested in their costars in order to promote the series. And to attend fan events where they have to play childish suggestive games to entertain fans.
Many fans are just as bad as the management companies as they can’t seperate BL actors playing fictional characters on a TV series from their real lives. All regardless of the fact the actors could be straight and have partners in their personal lives.
This doesn’t happen to actors in western countries, whereas in Thailand they take advantage of these actors because they know there’s plenty of young actors who’ll take there place if they complain due to the fame & money.
@@bellabana That's true that we don't have this in western countries (France for me). I've been very surprised to discover long term pairings and fan service. I don't like it much, I don't think that's good for actors, personaly and for their carreer
@@daniellelaplace6455 yep, the problem is by pairing these actors with the same partner over & over again fans then start to believe they’re really in a relationship. It perpetuates their belief that they’re a couple in real life as well.
Whereas if these companies paired the actors with different actors each time then fans would finally understand they’re just ‘acting’ that it’s part of their ‘job’ to portray different characters on screen. That their jobs are separate from their personal lives.
@@bellabana I think that way sometimes (too often) compagnies cheer fans to become toxic ☹️
@@daniellelaplace6455even Korean bl & Japanese bl actors & companies don’t do fixed pairing stuff. I mean they do slight fanservice same as heterosexual pair does but it ends after promotion.
I think big problem in Thai bl fanservice is not only actors but entire industry from hosts,sponsors & companies make money out of it.thai industry promotes this fanservice to make money easily without investing musch money.
I was really shocked when Thai interviews or hosts of the show ask ridiculous questions that related to fanservice rather than asking about work & acting
First Thai bl industry need to be changed & later companies stop using this method to make money
It’s so sad, I liked this pairing. In my personal opinion I can’t blame them for looking better options. It’s clear as day that Zeenuenu is their golden goose and will take priority over anything and anyone else but neglecting the rest of the actors is a stupid move.
Finally someone eased my longing for them 😂 like every point of yours is spot on i understood them but found it impossible to move on from them but ur points made me realize that moving on and supporting them individually is the best thing i can do to prove that i am a genuine n real fan of them❤
I was a huge NetJames shipper as well and was deeply saddened by their split, but completely understood their decision. Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I support Net and James in their new journeys and career choices. This video is a thoughtful, mature perspective of the events and how we fans need to accept decisions made by actors without acting out in negative ways.
Omg i didn't realize they were bullying and harassing him,his friends and family... now his live makes so much sense.....my side of tiktok was filled with people making constructive criticisms, someone even worked on the song and if that had been the version that got out the reception won't have been bad.... that was me thinking that fandom space was improving and people were speaking out because we all genuinely cared about him and want him to succeed...the fandom is always like this then when something bad happens to an artist they kumbaya and pull out the "let's protect the artist" y'all are their greatest danger lol.... wishing jamesu love and strength
I just wish we approached celebrities/ idols etc with so much more humanity. Let them bring you joy until they don’t anymore and then let them go. You don’t have to comment on their life decisions, their relationships, their looks. If you don’t find joy in their content anymore, YOU walk away and thank them for the past joy they’ve brought.
The way I paused my bed friend rewatch to watch this! Netjames I miss you but we must move on
Breaks my heart to see how much hate they both got. They are such beautiful souls, extremely talented. Netizens must really think twice before write a hate tweet. :’(
I loved befriends and I love Net and James. It breaks my heart to hear such terrible things being said about them from the fans. They are trying their best to become successful and bring us joy and entertainment. Why do people have to be so mean. Keep your negativity to yourself, they are just trying to survive in this world like we all are. Give them a break and be happy you were able to enjoy them together for the short period of time you saw them. They are great actors and I feel sorry for them for fans really believing all these BL actors are really together and in love with each other. They are human like the rest of us, so please fans, be nice and stop with all the hateful talk and just enjoy the series for what they are, you have no idea what all they have to go through just to try and make it as actors, singers and dancers. Love to you all. ❤️
I was a fan of a pair which they "broke up" and was sad about it, but I respect their decision. In thai bl industry, i think pairing change should be accepted without any toxicity or harm. it can happen in various situations, but it is not fans place to say that they need to be together, bc they are a person before they are actors. Ofc they can have different life goals, and it is so wrong for fans to tell them that "breaking up" is unacceptable and blame the actors for it just bc of our feelings. and I'm tired of this toxicity everytime a thai bl pair is parting their ways and fandom goes crazy like they are blaming anybody that they could. We don't own the actors. And this madness can be companies' fault if they are not transparent or taking responsibility.
I really wish the relationship with every actors and the fandoms are much healthier.
I love your vid! I feel like I tend to live in thai bl fantasy that I overlook problematic things and this industries' dark side, so I like to get critical opinions about it.
Like you I have been there, maybe not as long coz I only followed NetJames since early last year but I think I've observed enough to form some opinions.
For some of us the split was "expected" but we all thought they would've only split after LUAT aired. We saw the signs as early as MeltIntoYou, technically when they were still touring Asia and at the peak of their partnership. Very subtle signs but at that time very uncomfortable to be discussed.
IMO NetJames's split was actually so civil that at first I thought the boys would have gone through their transitions from being paired actors to solos with not much drama. But boy was I wrong lol.
The divide in the fandom is so apparent. It's funny to see that people who used to hype them together now turned against each other just because each had preference.
I just hope that the fans are as mature as the boys and understand that the shared space should be used to build good rapport for these boys so their works are actually seen, not their fandom drama.
I don't know when people will understand the fact that they are just a source of our entertainment they don't owe us anything and the way some fans thinks it's the responsibility of these actors to care about their feelings like ugh excuse me? Even my bf is not responsible for my feelings let alone these actors. We never see what's behind those perfectly made series or camera. How many hardships they have to go through.
I just hope everyone gets to live their dreams , be it James, Net or Ohm Nanon.
And I hope we bl fans will not put more pressure on them just to please our sick mentality.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights.
I'll say right off that I loathe the shipping culture, or more to the point that certain people feel entitled and cannot separate a character pairing, emphasis on "character", with the actors as real people. They are actors who are acting a part. If the pair are in a romantic relationship in their personal lives is beside the point for me. It's their business and up to them whether they choose to share or not. I enjoy the affectionate friendships that some of the pairs I follow display, but I never want to presume (and never should) that they owe me anything.
I can't take seeing the hate that people spew in comments, so I tend to stear clear of a lot of social media and end up missing out on a lot of information. I'm grateful for your theses (can I call them that!?) in video's such as this.
I feel really bad that James has been put through all this. Expressing personal preferences is one thing (I have my own), but outright insulting someone is uncalled for.
I am a fan of them both and was heartbroken when they split but a true fan would support them in their individual pursuit which I am doing now , no hate should be thrown towards them especially James as it’s not a crime to pursue your dreams no matter what , I am a big supporter of people and their mental health it’s very important yet sad that people actually take pleasure in bullying others
No one will ever know the truth behind their split unless many years from now they actually will tell the truth
Until then we can only support them and wish them success in their separate pursuits
Your video was very enlightening and very respectful . Thank you 🙏 for that .
I haven’t kept up with BL’s in 2 years but when I opened RUclips and saw this on my homepage I clicked on it just for the title alone! 😭 I just watched your Femphobia video yesterday too. Love you Kayla always. ❤
BL company should pair actors with diff couple like in straight dramas that way these toxic delulu fans will ship them less but anyway some ppl stays toxic and dont take actors as actors
Thank you for your dedicated effort in explaining this. It’s a sad thing that when actors/artists excel people outside of it transpose it to reality with unrealistic expectations.Bed Friend was clearly very well put together…from storytelling, filming, production, direction, acting to creation it excelled and because it excelled people who don’t know what it is to create took it for real.Thank you for calling them out and putting well researched facts in their way. I hope James and everyone else involved don’t suffer significantly and they let them follow the paths they wish to pursue. Further I find it really disturbing that these actors are expected to go through an income hiatus while waiting for production to proceed. That would be a very difficult path to follow in terms of survival…physically, mentally and emotionally.
I always enjoy your videos! Thank you for all the great content you put out. I love both Net and James and will continue to support them both in whatever they do. They are both incredible people who deserve the love and respect. Just because they aren't a Ship anymore doesn't mean they don't deserve to be happy with themselves and what they are doing in the future.
I think they talked about splitting the pair after finishing the last series, but with all the delays, it dragged on and on. When James hurt himself, he might have decided to move the split forward due to the pain and not wanting to add pressure to the production troubles.
Personally, I want fans to change their mindset. Firstly, I want fans to realize that we don't own actors just because we buy their products. When you buy bread. you don't get the baker too. When you buy meat, you don't own the butcher. Buying art or merc (music series, movies, fine art) doesn't mean you own the people who created it. Secondly, don't confuse fanservice with true romantic love. Actors do fanservice because of the toxic environment of the industry. They do it because they need to work and to work requires attracting the attention of fans, investors, and sponsers. And sure, pairs who stay together for years do love each other, but not romantically. As friends. As brothers. Thirdly, artists (Idols, actors) have the right to be happy in their personal lives. They don't owe us any information about who they are dating, what their or their partner's gender or sexuality is, where they are going or what they are doing. They have the right to privacy and happiness outside of the work they do.
Another very good video essay exploring the hostility directed at James after the end of his partnership with Net. Like you I greatly enjoyed Bed Friend, their chemistry was excellent and it was easy to imagine that they had a very successful career ahead as a ship. I don't know why they split, like you I tend to the view that James had tasted success with Bed Friend but had come to realise that he saw a different future ahead of him. Some have suggested that he was jealous of ZeeNuNew, that he wanted the chances that Nhu was given to carve out a career as a global singing star but I don't buy that, Nhu's singing and stage craft is unusual in one without theatrical training in music theatre and his voice is exceptional, besides James readily admits that he isn't in that league. It's been horrible to watch the viciousness of the attacks on him after his debut single, and let's be honest he's no worse than many Thai singer/actors and better than some more established stars; and as eye candy he's top notch. I was very pleased to see Net, Nhu, and Zee coming out in support of James as well as other Thai actors, it's no less than he deserves as a young man trying to find his feet in the business. Good luck to him,, and god luck to Net with JJ.
I personally don't think it's the end (me being delulu) but we should also give james some time they only said he is not going to film LUAT but it can also mean during that period he may be taking a role of an artist and he can come back and shoot more series with net and I think all the hate he is getting he does not deserve it cause who said following your dreams is a sin it is not so maybe he just wants to try out being an artist and he will come back that is his choice and we should respect that I mean they are full grown men im pretty sure they know what they are doing and we all know they will still support each other no matter what so let's think of it as a new beginning
There shouldn't be ANY shipping which is fake anyway for BL actors or singers and I think BL actors shouldn't be made to do any of over the top fan service unless they really are a couple eg Max & Tul and Ohm & Nanon, you'd swear they were real couple; not like so many other BL artists that fake it to make it look like they're a real couple ... No wonder there's so many delusional fans out there and they go mental when they split up ... They're damned if they do and damned if they don't
Thanks for the video! Very informative (especially since I'm never up to date with celebrity stuff)
I loved how you documented this whole thing... it is so beautifully done... My favourite ship is actually Pond Phuwin even in which Pond is the one I love the most... but I did too started liking Net James especially Net after seeing Bed Friends... I did hope would get to see them in more series together but then got to hear about James quitting the acting and moving towards art and singing... for a moment I did feel anger and irritation but then I stopped and thought that these guys are actors which is a profession like any other... they just make dramas so that we can get a break from our daily life and live in the world they built us to get away from momentarily stress... but we do many times indulge in things as per our choices and not some one else's so these actors too have a right to live their lives the way they wish to and with who they wish to... when they act they are selling the story to us not themselves or their ships... it's us who should know where to draw the lines and to ship them only for the drama not for their reality.
This is why I don't want Pavel Phoom to end up in a ship.
My bl friends are blaming be because i said something was up in October last year (2023) and then i reminded them very nicely in January and then they split but honestly - for me it was clear that something wasn’t right very early on. Also - they are very different as people and it’s okay - life goes on and Net seems happier then ever working with Jj. They still talk with each-other so i don’t understand the problem.
I don't think the entire issue is that these actors are mismanaged, instead I think the companies often don't realize how big or popular certain pairings will get. Take GMMTV for example, they knew Krist & Gawin would be an odd pairing so they didn't market them heavily. So when they delivered a surprisingly good show, it was a shock to everyone.
Are the companies maybe fueling these fan fights and toxicity? I think so, cause it makes money. These companies also need better PR departments to handle these couple shake ups.
Excellent words to share.
You are amazing human being! As a new BL fan who only stepped into this world this year, the first thing I find disturbing is how some fans are unable to stay rational towards rumours, which are utterly toxic for other fans. I mean I really don’t even want to see those. But they’re everywhere!
I think it is also with their talent management. They should set the stage much better making it look like a soft separation... Bc i think it was too sudden for the fans although they have been discussing it silently.... They should have shown more of james solo projects or events so they will think that they have solo plans as well... Similar to OhmNannon, although it was still a chaos within fans... They should push thru with other plans like his clothing business or singing dancing career to fans so fans will think he has other projects aside from dramas with net...
Those fans need to grow up, to realize its a business and nothing more, we can love them together because they make us feel all goey but our delulu self should know when to leave delulu in delululand
Thanks for the video. Very informative. It is the responsibility of the fans to accept that acting is a profession, it’s a job. ❤
Me gusto mucho el video, es triste ver lo que está pasando con ellos en cuánto a todo el odio que reciben de personas desubicadas. El fanservice como le llaman, me parece algo muy desagradable, solo genera morbo y falsas fantasías aunados al objetivo de que su razón de ser sea el atraer al público y generar dinero. Es esta la razón por la que al no cumplir con ese "acuerdo" entre los artistas y los fans, todo se vuelve un caos y odio hacia ellos. Espero pronto termine todo este acoso y continúen con su vida, dejándolos de molestar y quedándose con ellos los que verdaderamente los respeten por lo que son: Seres independientes que harán con su vida lo que ellos quieran y ya depende de nosotros si decidimos apoyarlos o solo alejarnos ❤
even though Net and James are not pair anymore they are still friends
Thank you so much for sharing your information and thoughts with us. I appreciate the time and effort you take to make these videos. (Big hugs!)
I think if fans are actually fans they should care about the idol/actor/author/singer/dancer they should want that person to be happy. They should advocate for the person to do what will bring them closer to a happy place. I don't understand wanting to push what you want on to someone else. We don't know all their circumstances, baggage, trauma, capabilities, desires, dreams... so we should be support and celebrate people when they let us know they've had a win.
Once again: thank you.
Many hugs, Z. Allora
P.S. that intro, "The Moon has risen..." _That_ is how to turn a phrase!
But...why do I suddenly crave a second season of *Hotel del Luna* ?
I crave for it always 😢
I love how gen 2 of dumondi video chat with james and all gen 2 was there even Net and the still include him as part of the gen 2 group. Even tho net and james cant be seen together. I also said that james is trying new thing with his singing as like a trial and error. You dont know if something works well if you doing try it. If just practice a bit more im sure james would be better. I just feel bad for Net, James and now JJ
I think the main issue of thai BL pop culture:
1. Toxic fans are flooding the scene thanks to the toxic shipping culture brought from toxic KPOP culture.
2. Parasocial behaviour created from years of years supporting toxic Kpop culture. Oh well, let's admit people who ship these BL actors were from Kpop fandom scene. Tell me if not.
3. The idolism, an illusion created by (again) kpop companies to their artists that now spill over to thai BL pop culture thanks to Kpop fans flooding the scene. They put the same expectation, the same behaviour like they've learnt during kpop time thet were in.
Well, I'm gonna tell you the harsh truth. The actors, they are just working. The BL drama they are in is an IP created by their company that usually involve acting, singing, dancing, merchandise and offline events. The BL ship is a marketing tool to sell the actors and IP they are in. Treat BL couple like a group or duo, they are just IN THERE to work, to climb the career ladder in entertainment industry.
So true i generally like watching lakorn and suddenly during lockdown I started seeing many bl series pop up so I watch them and I like it but after lockdown suddenly bl started getting more popular and so are the fans and it's true 70% of bl fans are kpop stan so their expectations is really high n toxic when it comes to concert music n dance and after seeing this wave of bl fans obviously company is going to use it as opportunity
For being a fan who prioritizes the humanity of artists whose work you enjoy, I have so much respect and appreciation for you.
I just watched a trailer for DMD friendship season 2, where a bunch of DMD BL actors are going to be deciding on which of the other contestants will be their BL partner. JJ was in the running. So it's odd that he's apparently been confirmed to be partnering with Net? Net wasn't among the participants. But well, I'm very out of the loop, and idk when DMD friendship was filmed or how much of it is scripted.
Anyways yeah I wish shipping culture didn't exist.
I think these shows are as much about showcasing the new talent as they are about matching people up. Ohm is also on the show, and he is paired with Jimmy in TNP.
@@AmosRambles yeah may be❤ but why net is so desperately shipping hard with jj??is his fanservice or what watching his recent tweets nd previous live with jj 🤔 like he is desperately shipping himself with jj is it for fanservice or what I really don't understand .
recently net is supporting jj much reposting jjs tiktok videos and tweeting so much with jj lookalike he himself shipping is it real or just fanservice ???
@@Soniamagar-fc7in I suspect it is just building the pair ahead of LUAT workshops and filming. After the split with James, Net needs to make sure JJ is well supported if the show is going to be successful.
@@Soniamagar-fc7in it is fan service while they build their partnership. Don’t read more into it than that unless the way they discuss their relationship shifts. There is nothing inherently romantic about simply liking or sharing the posts of someone you are working with.
It is a professional relationship with the potential for friendship. Net is only doing what is needed to help bring interest for the pairing for LUAT.
About the funds raised for Love Upon a Time, wasn't that due to the Net James pairing? Are they going to use that money to go into production or are they going to do a new trailer and another round off of NetJJ?
I am in a wait and see mindset for NetJJ. With NetJames the characters they played complimented each other without infantalising the 2nd partner. I hope NetJJ have as strong a dynamic.
Thank you very much for your video!! I’m also so into NetJames and dun wanna come out til now. I hate ppl hurting James, I don’t think the split is all his fault and all along he takes all the responsibility on himself. On the other hand I actually a bit angry with Net, since what I saw is James protect him, even on the award ceremony, Net explained their split is supported by each other, and he even not expressed well, James help him to complete what he want to say. The situation is like Net wants fans to accept his new partner and move on the new stage as soon. In ig live, Net defected for JJ, how’s James? He is also attacked by JJ’s fans, if he still friend with James, he shouldn’t say nth on the issues and let James in front of him, protect him and keep hurt by the crazy fans. From the announcement on 29 Feb until now, I really really heartbroken with James. He deserves to be treated better. I still hope one day they can hang out tgt in the public, and tell the fans that they are still friends. And not like now, even in the same activity but cannot play tgt. At last, I dun wanna see the “Love Upon a Time” to be done not by NetJames, I remember someone said this story is written by the same writer of befriend after she meet NetJames, that is a NetJames story actually.
Of course omitting the psychological and emotional histories behind a move from acting to artistry is the black box. This omission s destructive.
There is a thin very very very thin line between fans and when fans are unhinged they a become fanatics, fanatism is terrorism these actors must be protected at all cost . That’s been said James is a perfect example of immaturity and lack of self-esteem, this young man need serious psychological support to survive in this industry! Yes he needs to work on his vocal and all technical music issues, but those are details, before hands he needs to know who he really is make peace with his past and himself first and certainly learn to love himself and be selconfident! ! I wish him all the best
I feel really bad for James. Yes, did I love the NetJames ship? Absolutely, they will forever be one of my favorites. People are so ridiculous. I can not believe the hate James is getting. Ignorant, jealous people are the ones picking at his self character. This was a very good video. I share the same attitude as you. We should be supporting James! Love to James and Net!❤❤
Shipping culture needs to end! It’s never not toxic! I think would be great if pairings end and actors can just be actors playing roles, no fixed ships
I think it's great that James is deciding to pursue a career as an artist! If that's what he feels is his calling, that's awesome. Just like how Tul from MaxTul decided to leave the entertainment industry and focus on real estate and is now no longer an actor, it's like you can do whatever you want to do. I know lots of people wanted him to continue the MaxTul thing but he's like I want to do my own thing now. Especially with how he came out with being together in real life with Mew (a topic that is apparently trending) and said there is such backlash from this since people wanted him to be with Max and Mew with Gulf. He even said he's getting death threats. I didn't really believe TulMew were together but it seems as if they actually are from all the stuff being said and the interviews and everything. I'm still skeptical but since even news sites are stating they are together, it's like O.O I never would have thought that though. But if they really are together then good for them. You can be with whoever you want to be. It's just if it's not your shipped couple fans seem to find it outrageous. Sighs.
They're playing characters on and off set. The shows good and writing is good and it's funny.
I'm a happy bunny
I loved NetJames! I watched Bed Friends and this couple was the first ever couple I looked up and followed on social media haha! their chemistry was so amazing! Sad they’re apart now but the memories will live on!
It is just like ohm nanon case. Their "called" fans even sent a car with banner on it. Idk why but ppl must be more mature, like come on touch some grass. They are just working partner.
Ohmnanon fans are (often) crazy 😭😹😹😹😭
@@damnedifidonut crazy enough to pay a car with a giant banner 😒😒😒
Net makes me weak in the knees. Swoon!
Loved it. James and Net, follow your dreams. Know that there are people who will always support you. Love u guys
Can't put Neanderthals and those people in the same category because at least they didn't know better. I still can't understand how anyone can go on the internet a say messed up stuff about people.
Ok, then. As someone who has long disdained the uniquely Thai practice of shipping BL actors as a marketable commodity, I will refrain from commenting much on the content of this essay. I find both business problems and creative issues for the artists roped into these ships. I think the video illuminates aspects of both complaints, so no need to distract from the NetJames focus of the essay (which I am indifferent to) by interogating further the wider generic issues. Shipping culture comes across poorly in this final analysis, and I will take that small victory in a larger battle and keep quiet. Well...
Almost quiet. Two comments away from NetJames specific issues and away from my disdain for shipping as a practice.
1. For a "production major," you have a deft touch with historical storytelling. (And always have.) The way you laid out the various timelines (NetJames, production histories) + explained the way the Thai prouction business works + the role of (toxic) fan culture all merged to form an easy-to-follow narrative. Reconstruction of complicated, interlocking past events defines the essence of what historians do. I can only hope that you play a role in script construction in any future production efforts, so that flair for narrative integrity is out to good use.
2. This is a political point of view, but I think most of the time an accusation of queerbaiting can only be levelled by actual queer people.Baiting queers means (literally! The meaning is baked into the words!) the objectionable behavior is targeted toward queer people. In particular, the way in which that expression crops up among BL fans in connection with actors or plotlines is a misuse of the term's original meaning. And while language can evolve, this dubious use of the word waters down an expression originally intended to highlight how straight society diminishes and erases queer lives. That isn't what is going on when an actor hired to play a fictional character has a real life that never matched the fiction (or ever needed to). Nor if a series falls short of the level of romance (or number of kisses) an individual viewer may have expected to see. These emotional responses are legitimate. Straight fans may feel disappointed. They may feel cheated. But they have not been queerbaited. I wish the BL community would resort to an alternative term to express this particular disappointment. ("False advertising" is the only comparable expression that springs to mind; yet, that one is not fully satisfactory either. How about a neologism: shipbaited?)
Hello, John Master. 🙋🏻♂️ Please be well and enjoy this fall weather.
💯 agree with this post!
@matthewjay660 and the same to you! Does Houston experience a true autumn? Or is it mostly a less hot, less humid version of summer?
THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT FOR ALL THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY HAD THE POWER TO INSULT, AND BE HATEFUL.
This is a well executed video. I'm impressed. (Sips tea)
Great essay but I (in my opinion) noticed a significant change in fan's behavior towards james after the Live Net did to announce their break up, he was very emotional and fans didn't listen to his words but his emotions thinking there's a hidden reason and the culprit was James. Yes, the management already announced their separation bit they could've have handled the artists announcing themselves much better, they should have made them do a joint live where they express being in good friendship even if their work ship is ending. Yes Fans are babies that needs to be taught like toddlers, not to even mention the delusional ones
Then the music, james is a decent singer, he's not a vocalist but he is a decent singer/performer. As much as i love him, i must admit the cover they released (the first significant project after announcing he is leaving acting for singing) fell way below expectations and domundi shouldn't have put something so raw out or even give him that song that doesn't flatter his vocal range
So yes, fans were shocked. I personally was thinking, how do you intend to make money off this because, yes you have gained the celebrity status but people are waiting to see if your new career is worth their time and money, including sponsors and event managers
To me, it all goes down to the domundi being a shitty company, they don't know what's best for their individual artist. They can't treat everyone the same, people has different strength and weakness
@@RegiQueenty I’m days late but since you pointed out Net’s IG live wherein he was very emotional, I would also like to say that somehow, with that, it antagonized James. Maybe I’m just reading in it too much or I have read so many stories with plots like these lol. At first I emphatized with Net when I saw him crying in his live but later, I felt something was off with it. People, especially fans of an onscreen couple, tend to sympathize with the other pair who’s known to be more affectionate with their pair. Like for the pairing NetJames, people adore Net more because he’s clingy, affectionate towards James, and all that fanservice while James was more discreet and it sometimes translates as to uninterest. Therefore when the pairing broke up, the people supporting them had prejudices towards James because in their heads, James was aloof, not caring towards Net, or not showing the same interest in their ship, etc.
Also the fact that James is not giving the results that people had expected him to show with his decisions. James was determined to be an artist, people set their eyes on him and his performance and when James did not deliver what they expected, he was easily ridiculed.
I feel like James is one of the most hated artists in the BL industry right now and it’s sad because he did not do anything wrong towards the community. He faced more hate than those who had histories with homophobia, bullying, etc. just because he decided to stop being a BL actor and focused on exploring other possibilities.
I like his singing am just sorry he wont be acting any longer, Good luck James and thanks for this post
I know Jimmy went on hiatus for personal reasons, but why did they repair Jimmy and Tommy when Jimmy returned?
Great video! Very informative and respectful. Would love to see a breakdown of maxtul/mewgulf fandom perspective if you're interested. Although i know it involves a real relationship and not just "fun shipping" so may be kind of overstepping. Anyway, subscribed so id catch the next one.
Realmente amo este video, me encanta que hayan fans como tú 🥰 un gustazo conocerte
my heart shattered into pieces :(
I love your channel I would love to hear your thoughts on the problematic writing Chao Planoy(most top gls written by her) and rise of GL..loving your work
Thank you for this video and the explanation involved with the bl industry. I like your insight. For the bl actors, thanks for entertaining and making my day so many times. I hope for happiness for each one of you. For James, You are a
gifted and talented entertainer. Kudos for foowing your own dreams.
Time tells truth🖤
“Shipping” is crazy! They’re ACTIRS. Why should they pretend to be a couple OFF STAGE! That is so STOOPID! 😤🤮🤬🤬
I loved your video! Thanks for all the explanations
Lord... James might not be the best singer but the discourse around those clips was crazy! I think it's largely a backlash about bl actors doing concert events (which imo are ultimately harmless BUT I'm sure some of the actors would rather be doing something else lol), but James wants to be an artist. I hope he practices and improves on that front, I have nothing to gain from his downfall! I never finished Bed Friend but I still want to, I enjoyed what I saw of him there. I hope he can feel fulfilled on his new path
I think shipping culture is fine as long as some minor changes are made. The actors should state before they start doing fanservice that what you will be seeing is fanservice. Don't try and trick fans into believing your relationship is real because that will only make fans hate you. If the actors literally say "I'm about to do fanservice." and then go about doing it, fans should understand that it's not real and it's just something cute and adorable they will be doing to cater to fans. That way if they do NOT state it's fanservice and do things fans will realize it IS real. You need to have a clear statement that what is going to happen is fanservice and if it's not stated, it is real. That is what I think should happen. That way fans can enjoy fanservice between actors but also support them when it really IS real. And it will be obvious when it's real versus when it's just fanservice. With the way things are now, it's hard to tell what is real and what is fanservice. I think that has to change. I think it should change to make it more obvious whether something is fanservice and whether something is real. Because you CAN be real but you can also just do fanservice too.
Also, don't get me started on 'assuming sexualities'. I know lots of people say "Don't assume this person is gay." But I've never heard "Don't assume this person is straight." It goes both ways you know. If you don't assume someone's sexuality, don't assume they are straight either bc being straight is also a sexuality. For me, I don't believe an actor is ANYTHING even straight unless HE SAYS THIS OFFICIALLY. Such as "I'm straight." or "I only like girls." Not "I've only ever had girlfriends before" but "I only like girls." There are actually gay guys who have had girlfriends before and have ONLY had girlfriends before. That does not make them straight. I've known multiple gay guys who have only had girlfriends before to protect themselves and were worried about coming out, so they got a girlfriend. I hate when people say, "He's not gay, he has a girlfriend." I'm like that doesn't mean anything. If he literally says, "I only like girls and have only ever had girlfriends before" that would mean they are straight. But the rest is just unconfirmed.
Hopefully, sometime in the future we will see a slight change in the shipping culture where it's more like what I stated above.
They just wanted to take different career paths and that's what we all want to do. Its called free will to make our own choices even if we might fail.They get to decide their own lives. The fans have no say and if you as a fan think so you better take a good look at your own lives.
This is a really well informed and compassionate take. Thank you 😊
I woke up thinking about Net and James today!!! 🤣😅🤣The internet is tapped into my brain.
I dislike HATERS if you call yourself a fan, then start all the bad talking, to me you was never a Fan. The actors are people, that work hard and deserve respect.
these are two separate actors.. they are not attached at the hip so they can work with other ppl and in other things…
I am not fan of net and James. I watched bed friend. James is very good in portraying emotions. Why do they give James same kind of roles in 3 series. How do y girls expect 20+ year old man /women to not date anyone. Important note James is on a stern diet to look certain way. It is tough guys.
Girl preach ❤
Your video was very informative for me! I thank you for that and hope that all the haters, but also the rest of us who are healthy, see this video! 🥰❤️🙏
i don't want to dog pile on p'aof because I see how the guys feel about him in a such a positive way but, and clearly he is capable of creating pairings and series that people feel really passionate about but the work being done in DMD, Mandee, their goods shop/store, even the music management company (can't even remember the name) is clearly not working out. If he's too nice to fire bad workers or is overworking the few he has like i have no idea what's going on but nothing seems to be changing and these thingsa re going to keep happening. There was a lack of transparency with TNP but ZNN have been able to be a pair that has so much work even without a series. They have the ability to wait years in between series but i don't know. I get theyre a small company and we shouldn't be expecting a GMM level turnout but its getting a bit tiresome?
messsyyy👀👀❤️
Thank you Kayla
Great video. Hope some people take a moment and watch it and listen.
Please please please, tell OhmNanon fans to stop with all the edits, it's soooo disrespectful, i don't care if you "mean well" just STOP.
Those fans continue with videos, not out of "meaning well" to either Ohm, Nanon, Mew, Gulf, and certainly not in a positive way regarding Bible and Build. They continue with those videos so that they, the fans/fanbases, don't feel like they have been forgotten or ignored.
@@VixenByNight72 I think it's ok to make edits of the series they acted in but not merging their real life activities and conjure meanings to the point of disrespecting their current partners and even jeopardizing their future/current project. How do they want sponsors and brands to feel when they think the new ship will get more hate than love/support if they advertise anything
@Just.A.BL.Fan8 They don't care about how their behavior could have an effect on their possible future profession choices, because it's still not with the fans preferred partner.
Love this. Thank you so much this. Appreciate it so much.
Hi Moon 🙋🏻♂️. It's 5 A.M. here in Houston, Texas and I'm watching your video before I depart for work. This is a topic I did not* know I needed until I watched it. Thank-you for this. 🙏🏻 Khob khun krub! (Do I remember correctly? You have a degree either in Psychology or is your degree something to do with creating films/tv series? Do I remember ?) 🇺🇸🏳️🌈🤝🇵🇭🏳️🌈 P.S. James and Net are pretty. 🤩 7:18 You just said, "As someone who went to school for Production... ."
My background is in broadcast production and media management! :)