Another thing to add is that in the scene where bill dies, if you reverse it, bill says, "A-X-O-L-O-T-L. My time has come to burn. I invoke the ancient power that I may return." Which adds to what the axolotl says, "If he wants to shirk the blame. He'll have to invoke my name."
This is in fact true me and my friend have a whole like Gravity Falls mysteries and the one we are working on is about the Axolotl and Bill being connected in someway. This can explain when reading the time pirates treasure book. Along with almost deciphering half the messages at the End of every Gravity Falls show. I don't have it currently on me my friend has it, but needless to say it's, from what we think all the messages are Bill's backstory in those 2 seasons.
"I tried forgetting. Maybe I should try forgiving." -Fiddleford Mcgucket Bill tried to forget what he did. Even if his memory is erased it truly doesn't make up for what he did. That's how he's destined to come back. Forgetting isn't a true solution.
@@sokaize matpat made a theory about that saying bill cipher is erased by erasing stanley's memories that entirely contained bill but when stanley regains his memories theres a chance bill may come back
Except, there's no way to make up for what he did. None. "Oh, I'm sorry. My bad." does not unerase an entire dimension. Accepting responsibility only goes so far. Some things are unforgivable.
@@MeepChangeling I don't know...if he humbled himself and became the protector of other worlds, truly bettering himself as the yellow triangle he is while at it, and expressed enough remorse for it, I think he could be a better triangle that could be forgiven. It is horrible to ruin a entire dimension, it is a crime that will never truly be redeemed, but he can make up for it and be forgiven for it.
He did try to come back I feel like the last thing bill said which was the wish to come back after death Was him not letting go of his past cause he feels like he didn't complete his goal which i think is to rebuild the second dimension withthe third dimension which would make sense
I don't he bill's memory was erased at all because the memory gun erased the memory of "stanley pines" so bill would die cuz he is in stan's mind but if he didn't (die) like the famous theory then he would still have all his memories
i always think this exact same theory. what i love even more is how subtle it is. the show doesnt try to shove you this out of nowhere tragic backstory for an essentially comedic villain. it make you create theory on your own and have wild guesses over bill's true intention.
I have googled Bill’s motives, and it says that he got bored from his home dimension, so he destroyed it and kept destroying other dimensions. He took sadistic pleasure in destroying dimensions.
Oh my god. After watching this video when I finished the Book Of Bill… this is SPOT ON. In the book Bill does say he IS gifted, when he was born he gained a rare mutation that allowed him to see the third dimension. And in other forms of ciphers in the book, it reveals that Bill’s dimension was called “Euclidea”, after the man who created the study of geometry.
Bill is such an incredible villain, he's really intimidating when he needs to be and he's also effortlessly hilarious when he needs to be. Usually the darkest stuff in Gravity Falls is revolving him. Like self-harm, and rifts between relationships. He's one of those rare cases in storytelling where an overpowered chsracter actually works.
i want a season 3. NOW 😭 i am so intrigued that these past 2 days, after I finished the series, I have had a continuous depression. the series is over, there's no more episodes 😭
To me, Bill’s tragedy can be seen as one that is fundamentally rooted in his implicit nature as a nigh-omniscient God-like entity. We all know the saying - “With great power comes great responsibility” - Bill never had the opportunity to learn how to master the art of being responsible; he simply acted for the sake of hedonism. That is what differs between Bill and humanity; if we are to succeed in life, it is almost compulsory for us mortals to learn how to be responsible and wise. We have ample opportunity to mature and evolve; God-like entities like Bill are most likely unable to comprehend something like that. I say all this because I very much dislike the idea of a character being evil for the sake of being evil, unless explicitly written as such. Bill is a liar, and most lies are indeed tragic. *”LIE UNTIL WHAT YOU WANT TO BE TRUE BECOMES TRUE. LIE UNTIL YOU CANT REMEMBER WHATS A LIE AND WHAT ISNT. LIE UNTIL YOU ARENT LYING ANYMORE.”*
@@cewla3348 he is the strongest two dimensional power, then ascended to third dimensional power, becoming the strongest, so essentially dr.manhatten type shit, but stronger.
I think in journal three or somewhere else they elaborated that triangles were lesser than the others in Bill’s dimension. So, he got angry and burned it down. Including his family.
That was a Flatland reference. It’s stated that this wasn’t Bill’s dimension, and it’s impossible for it to have been because Ford visited it but Bill’s dimension was burned.
Sixty degrees that come in threes. Watches from within birch trees. Saw his own dimension burn. Misses home and can’t return. Says he’s happy he’s a liar. Blame the arson for the fire. If he wants to shirk the blame. He’ll have to invoke my name. One way to absolve his crime. A different form, a different time. *Well now I feel like shi-*
I have a theory that maybe Bill was reincarnated as King in The Owl House for a couple of reasons 1) King is 8 years old Gravity Falls took place in 2012 and The Owl house takes place in 2020 2) They both want to be tyrants and have lots energy 3) The line "A different form, A different time"
One more thing to add is that in an AMA with a Bill themed account made by Alex Hirsch, when asked about what his home dimension was like, Bill responds by saying that Edwin A. Abbott was actually pretty close. Edwin A. Abbott is famous for writing a novel on the society of a completely 2D world, and how a Square from that dimension had its mind opened to the idea of 3D, and begins philosophizing about things beyond his flat, two dimensional world. This, combined with what he says in the series finale about how he came from the second dimension, paints a picture that the reason he had destroyed his home is because he himself had become enlightened to the worlds beyond what he now saw as flat, two dimensional, and unchanging, as for wether or not he decided to destroy everything right then and there or only did so as a result after his home dimension had snubbed his beliefs, is impossible to tell
I like this theory a lot. Maybe Bill was fascinated with the concept of a 3D dimension that he tried to "expand" his own dimension from 2D to 3D but ended up destroying it. He lies about not giving a F but actually misses his home dimension and it's beings, trying to cope with his guilty. "Blame the arson for the fire" can be the proof from Axolotl that Bill is blaming the experiment itself for the destruction of his dimension and not himself, but yes, maybe as a megalomaniac entity he didn't care for safety and tried it anyways, erasing his dimension in the process and escaping because he has the power to travel between realities. Another thing, maybe Bill met Axolotl in one os his "dimensional experiments" pretty much as Ford met Bill experimenting with portals and since one who finds him/her/it can ask for anything, he asked for power beyond comprehension and got it. Maybe that's why Axolotl is aware of who he is and what he have done.
That one line is interesting, "Another form, another time." When Bill's being erased in Stan's memory, he calls upon that same being, spelling out their name, saying, "My time has come to burn! I invoke the ancient power that I may return." If what you say is true and all of Bill's memories are erased, then would he possibly take on a nicer form? Such as a little, cute dog-like demon from the Boiling Isles? I dunno. It's a thought but it's interesting to think of the possibilities to the form Bill might take next and what he might or might not remember. If he wouldn't remember anything from his previous life, then we might never know but only theorize and guess. I mean, for how much of a caricature of Bill King has been in the past as well as certain parallels between the two characters, I won't question it.
I was thinking the exact same thing! It would make sense for the riddle-like response from the axolotl, and if Bill did get reborn without memories, King does com to mind. I think it would be really cool for the “only one way to absolve his crime” thing that you were saying to have to do with the ending of TOH, though I don’t know how Disney would implement something like that and I don’t think Disney would ever do something like that. Another thing to mention that might be tied with all of this is the clip Alex Hirsch posted on twitter for the 10th anniversary of bill singing “We’ll meet again”, again tying it to “A different form, a different time”. Sorry about this, this is kind of just me dropping all my thoughts here :P
I think it's a loop, if you recall both Bill and Gruncle stan, call Stanford sixer nobody else does. Also Gruncle Stan knows a suspicious amount of information about the mindscape, informing Dipper and Mable on how to fight Bill out of his mind. I think Gruncle Stan is the different form, in a different time all along and it is kind of poetic that Bill's reincarnation or something similar, is the one to bring about his fall in the first place.
Yeah I've definitely been convinced King is Bill reincarnated for a while now. Alex Hirsch can do so many different voices -- why would King's be so close to Bill's?
"One way to absolve his crime. A different form, a different time." Could be that the bird standing on Bills hand (in that one popular gravity falls picture where bills statue was left, rotting to time) is Bill himself, just simply in a.. "different form, a different time."
I don't know if anyone's said this already, but in the episode where he enters Stan's mind and the code to the safe gets thrown down the bottomless pit, Bill turns red with pure anger and has regular colored FIRE in his hands and says, "Do you have any idea what I'm like when I'm mad?!" Because he was young and had those powers, someone must have easily pissed him off in his dimension back when he was less wise. That could've triggered him to destroy his own dimension. When someone gets you really mad you don't care what you say or do getting caught in a fit of rag. And sometimes(for me atleast) you regret it once you've calmed down.
seeing bill's shape, his original dimension could be the 2nd dimension (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_plane), which could just operate like you'd expect it to, our world just weird and 2d.
Also, if you've read the journals in number three, Stanford has some constellations, and one of them is named William, ironically, it was a triangle, which led me to believe that Bill either had a sibling and or siblings.
I'll just like to add one thing. After killing Time Baby Bill states that he now has control over time itself. Shouldn't he then be able to go back in time and save his dimension ?
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I am still pretty much convinced that King is actually the reincarnation of Bill Cipher. It just fits so well, plus who better to get through to a cosmic being like the Collector than some who was once just as powerful, if not more so, and incredibly chaotic.
never would i have guessed that the sentence "in the book dipper and mabel and the curse of the pirate treasure we see the twins crossing paths with an interdimensional creature: the axolotl" would be followed by a hardass after events prophecy type poem that would reveal an entire backstory but then again this is gravity falls
i think it's weird that bill apparently destroyed his own dimension, but how and why he did is a mystery. it would have taken a lot of effort to destroy an entire dimension, and yet he didn't think about the consequences of doing so during the process? my theory is that the "blame the arson for the fire" line that the axolotl says is signifying that bill isn't entirely to blame for what happened to his dimension. maybe someone who wouldn't have regretted destroying bill's dimension built a dimensional bomb or something like that, but was stopped. bill might've discovered the device and accidentally set it off.
I think part of it was that he’s so frogdang powerful he can just *poof* his dimension out of existence. His power is what ruined him in the first place. He might’ve gotten angry and done it as a split decision, or even on accident
I think bill did it by himself on purpose. He was talking to Ford when trying to convince him to give him the spell to break the boundaries of gravity falls and he said something about destroying his dimension because it was flat, people had flat minds. He wanted to escape into something more 3d and he hated his home so much he decided to just destroy it. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s what I thought of
based on his personality he’s obnoxious, relentless & always does things for his own pleasure, apparently he really hated his homeland cause it was completely flat so im assuming without thinking he just arsoned it & wanted it gone but didn’t realize that he’d be losing the ones he loved also on his wikifandom it says he entered the Night Realm; an inter-dimensional space where he could travel to other dimensions, but it eventually collapsed on itself.. ig he got zapped somewhere but finds out that theres a prophecy where hes the one who opens the Night Realm again
There's proof that he's actually a flatlander from flatland seen in a page in one of the journals, also further proof being that Alex Hirsch said that the writer Abbot Abbot had an accurate idea about Bill'd true cannon past The destruction of his world was entirely accidental and even more entirely his fault, hence he despises himself and denies that it was an accident, as he claims it was intentional only to satisfy his faltering, splintered sanity
I think I know where and when you were reborn. Your powers were reborn in Reverse Falls. Your personality was reborn as a split persona in AU 20s Dipper. What do you think of this theory/headcanon ? Am I close ?
i noticed that in the episode sock opera bipper or bill dipper says this "its been so long since i have been IN A BODY". this made me think that bill used to be a HUMAN but died and now he is a spirit or ghost
Theres a really good fanfiction called "flat dreams" that is basically about Bill's life. After i read that everything Bill said made sense, they are "backflashes"/memories from his life in the 2nd dimension
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Bill didn’t destroy his universe on accident. The way for him to descend into demonhood was to burn down his universe and kill his family. But now he regrets for what he did to his family and as for rest it checks out
Gotta add: Bill tried to destroy all of humanity probably because he wants to forget what he's done is the past. This just made stuff worse. He also did say "AXOLOTL MY TIME HAS COME TO BURN I INVOKE THE ANCIENT POWER I MAY RETURN" and the Axolotl said "If he wants to shrink the blame, He'll have to invoke my name" which is what Bill did. He thinks this could do the trick but it hasn't really happened, yet. Until now He'll be scarred for life.
I love this theory... It sounds so wonderful to meet Bill Cipher again, but good this time. Yet we would miss one of the greatest villans of all time and of course it would be difficult the story good while having such a powerful being on the heros' side
It's mentioned in one of the companion books (can't remember which one, but it's on the Axolotl's Gravity Falls wiki page) that Ford wonders if there's a polar-opposite being to Bill. It's been theorized, and not mentioned in your video, that the Axolotl is that polar-opposite of Bill. Everything Bill isn't, the Axolotl is and vice-versa. There's a section of the Axolotl's poem "Watches from Birch Trees" that also implies the Axolotl was watching during Gideon's summoning of Bill in Dreamscapers. The trees surrounding Gideon's summoning circle sudden form a bunch of knots that look like eyes. We could take this as Bill watching from the trees, but this doesn't make sense to me as he's just about to be summoned in this instance, so why would he need to watch himself be summoned? Plus he was always watching them from the dreamscape anyway, he has no need for the tree knot eyes.
I like this theory and his backstory. Also the fact that they don't show it in the show; showing backstory and making us feel bad about the antagonist is way too overused in shows now. This shows us something: no matter how much bad has happened to you, you cannot use that as an excuse to harm the innocents. You cannot go and tell them it's your trauma that has lead to your doings. It was a reason why he did things, something that won't be important and won't matter even if we don't know, unlike a reason for us to feel bad able him and give him sympathy, feel relatable, etc., etc. He did what he did and there's no taking it back.
I found a certain decoded message in journal 3. The page "Throughout Bill's Ciphers" shows a code that translates into "CURSE THE AXOLOTL EVERY CONSPIRACY IS TRUE"
EYE love this theory, kid! _👁️_ Also, EYE still believe that King from The Owl house is Bill's reincarnation, why? Because in season 1 he behaved very similarly to Bill, but in time he became completely good.
@@LOL-bs1hg Dude, have you watched the show? Bill speaks by projecting his voice and his eye doubles as a mouth as he can be seen taking a bite out of the planet. Don't question anything Bill, because nothing makes sense 😂
@@LOL-bs1hg ??? But you inherently were since they are "the eye" in reference to Bill's all seeing eye. Did you not look at their profile picture and what video we are commenting on?
Makes sense why he'd want to take over another dimension entirely, he wants his own domain so that he could feel at home. At peace or that's what bill thinks taking over gravity falls and the rest of the planet means, he wants to make the dimension he took over somewhat like his home dimension, to ease the guilt and regret over what he did.
i think another good thing to mention is him potentially lying to himself at a certain point to justify his past mistakes and the destruction of it, i remember in one episode him calling it "a flat world world flat minds and flat dreams"
This would make sense because in the owl house it is heavily implied that bill cipher is king and king would forget who he really was a tiny bit, he remembers he was the king of demons but never remembered his true body More evidence to back this up a tiny bit in amphibia they introduced a axolotl with glowing eyes just like the one in the book And the axolotl basically quoted Stan’s ending words and bill cipher was shown in one of the book pages in amphibia This took waaaay to long
Sixty degrees that comes in threes Watches from within birch trees Saw his own dimension burn Misses home and can't return Says he's happy. He's a liar Blame the arson for the fire If he wants to shirk the blame He'll have to invoke my name One way to absolve his crime A different form, a different time. *Why I can remember this but not school tests*
In journal 3, we see Ford go into a 2-d dimension. He then tells us that he imagined bill’s origin dimension to be something like that. We see that parallel earth dimensions exist, so it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility to say that bill came from a parallel of the 2d dimension. Bill even says, “It was flat world with flat dreams” so that is what I think this is trying to say
@@username-uu6rr on the necktie of the other guy in the First/second episode of the season 2 of the show, there is an Eye strangely similar to bill's one. It can simbolize the illuminati but it has a strange shaped iris and also It doesnt match the other illuminati references in the show so... I think this is a reference to him
I didn't see it myself but my fiancee says there was some questionnaire thing Alex did where he implied Bill's previous home was like a book called Flatland.
Yo, hold up. Bill is fundamentally good at tricking and lying to people. What if, since Bill and Stanley were both in the same mind when their memories were erased, they still *are* in the same mind? As in, being in semi-control of Stan with no memories gives Bill exactly what he wanted: an endless party, guilt-free.
There’s always two sides In a story between the hero and the villain, majority of the stories often hide the villain’s motives and reasons. Truly shows that bill was more than just a chaotic entity
Like the video. I will say that I kinda don’t feel like Bill needs a tragic backstory (in fact arguably he’s better without it) but it is still really interesting. Whether it’s canon or not is in question, but I think it’s a case of “if you want it to be canon than it is, if you don’t than it isn’t” which I like
I don't think the books are canon and I agree with you. I think he works better as a character if he's psychotic for the heck of it so that's why I am choosing to believe this isn't canon and he just has weird hobbies
@@smartpatrick8690The books aren't Canon we all know that. One thing tho is a character really can't just be phsyco for the heck of it. There has to be some sort of reason as to why. The reason could be as simple as "he was born like that" it's boring but it's still a reason. But since Bill is pretty much a God I can agree that he doesn't need human reasoning.
Sixty degrees that come from threes Watches within the birch trees Saw his own dimension burn Misses home and can't return Says he's happy he's a lair Blame the arson for the fire If he wants to shirk the blame Hell have to invoke my name One way to absolve his crime A different from a different time
One of his lines in the show when Bill is talking to Ford is really interesting to me. He describes his demsion as a flat place where people have flat minds. It really makes me wonder.What makes his demision so flat? Is it literally flat?It's most likely that's the reason he destroyed it.
My friend mentioned that Bill died because Stan's memory was erased, but later in the episode, Stan regains his memory. If his memories are remade then Bill would be remade too.
"A X O L O T L MY TIME HAS COME TO BURN, I INVOKE THE POWER THAT I MAY RETURN!" "If her wants to shrink the blame, he'll have to invoke my name. One way to absolve his crime. A different form, a different time." This is what really sums it up for me. Alex said that the book you used as an example, is not cannon. However he said it held one cannon secret, i think thats what makes this theory the best one.
Bill is still alive. Hes always alive, hes just reborn every time someone reads out the incantations. He died in ancient history, and he came back to life when Giddion read the spell.
since gravity falls ended there where some new AUs of gravity falls as in fight falls which has bill not being a cocky person, he is rather mean and has anger issues i think and people wanted to keep the name of bill in fight falls but instead some people also called him kill. There is also another AU called revers falls where everything is reversed and there is also a color triangular person named will, and in some of peoples POV they are brothers/twins. The color of kill is red so that may be the reason why he has anger issues and why he is mean because from us people back in school we learned that the color red can be associated with the felling of madness, which brings us to will, will is blue . A light color of blue which we also learned it can be associated with the felling of sorrow or sadness which is why we wanted to change the emotions of each each character like for revers falls the twins dipper/mason and mabel work in the tent of telepathy and have the necklace that gideon had and both pacifica and gideon go to gravity/revers falls so they can have a good time but turns out that they won't. and both of the twins force bill/will to do many bad things but that is all i know for now hope this was enough info on the other AUs for you.
Back in the day the craze of theory videos on youtube about Bill Cypher still being alive was top. While chilling in the Undertale Fandome I remembered there was a that one Sans character in the undertale in the multiverse "Bill!Sans" when I thought of this I remembered all those theory videos on youtube about bill and what the A-X-O-L-O-T-L had to say about what he knew about Bill Cypher, there were many theories about him being alive such as Bill being reincarnated into King from Owl House. So I thought to myself, "wait, if Bill died then what happened to Bill!Sans from Undertale?" so my guess is that what if Bill Cypher is still alive? but, just in a different world? **alive in a different fandome?** 0_0
Another thing to add is that in the scene where bill dies, if you reverse it, bill says, "A-X-O-L-O-T-L. My time has come to burn. I invoke the ancient power that I may return." Which adds to what the axolotl says, "If he wants to shirk the blame. He'll have to invoke my name."
@@TheRealA-Train because it’s in reverse, he also doesn’t say Axolotl, he spells it out
This is in fact true me and my friend have a whole like Gravity Falls mysteries and the one we are working on is about the Axolotl and Bill being connected in someway. This can explain when reading the time pirates treasure book. Along with almost deciphering half the messages at the End of every Gravity Falls show. I don't have it currently on me my friend has it, but needless to say it's, from what we think all the messages are Bill's backstory in those 2 seasons.
60 degrees in threes
Watches from within birch trees
@@kreearra6907 saw his own dimension burn
"I tried forgetting. Maybe I should try forgiving." -Fiddleford Mcgucket
Bill tried to forget what he did. Even if his memory is erased it truly doesn't make up for what he did. That's how he's destined to come back. Forgetting isn't a true solution.
Right, except Bill is erased/with amnesia entirely, according to this theory
That would actually make a lot of sense...
@@sokaize matpat made a theory about that saying bill cipher is erased by erasing stanley's memories that entirely contained bill but when stanley regains his memories theres a chance bill may come back
Except, there's no way to make up for what he did. None. "Oh, I'm sorry. My bad." does not unerase an entire dimension. Accepting responsibility only goes so far. Some things are unforgivable.
@@MeepChangeling I don't know...if he humbled himself and became the protector of other worlds, truly bettering himself as the yellow triangle he is while at it, and expressed enough remorse for it, I think he could be a better triangle that could be forgiven. It is horrible to ruin a entire dimension, it is a crime that will never truly be redeemed, but he can make up for it and be forgiven for it.
Love the interpretation of his memory getting erased as a way to be free of guilt, it makes sense
He did try to come back
I feel like the last thing bill said which was the wish to come back after death
Was him not letting go of his past cause he feels like he didn't complete his goal which i think is to rebuild the second dimension withthe third dimension which would make sense
I don't he bill's memory was erased at all because the memory gun erased the memory of "stanley pines" so bill would die cuz he is in stan's mind but if he didn't (die) like the famous theory then he would still have all his memories
@@Nox692This is exactly what I was thinking too, was curious if anyone else said it
i always think this exact same theory.
what i love even more is how subtle it is. the show doesnt try to shove you this out of nowhere tragic backstory for an essentially comedic villain. it make you create theory on your own and have wild guesses over bill's true intention.
I can agree, it makes the show a lot less cliche and way more enjoyable.
Maybe one day we’ll get a spin off that reveals more of bill’s origin
I have googled Bill’s motives, and it says that he got bored from his home dimension, so he destroyed it and kept destroying other dimensions. He took sadistic pleasure in destroying dimensions.
@@PBandJellyfish126 We are getting the Book of Bill, so...
8 years since the show ended. That makes me feel old.
It ended in 2016, so, 6 years ago.
@@wesleyorange8133 still makes me feel old.
@中村奈々 it's because this show still feels very recent that knowing it's that old is something I didn't think about.
@@wesleyorange81337 years ago now… damn
im 14 and i still remember watching and loving this as a kid. I rewatched it right now and I still love it
Oh my god. After watching this video when I finished the Book Of Bill… this is SPOT ON. In the book Bill does say he IS gifted, when he was born he gained a rare mutation that allowed him to see the third dimension. And in other forms of ciphers in the book, it reveals that Bill’s dimension was called “Euclidea”, after the man who created the study of geometry.
And since he could've seen these dimensions. It made him look at his and plain and useless, so he began to dispise it
Bill is such an incredible villain, he's really intimidating when he needs to be and he's also effortlessly hilarious when he needs to be. Usually the darkest stuff in Gravity Falls is revolving him. Like self-harm, and rifts between relationships. He's one of those rare cases in storytelling where an overpowered chsracter actually works.
when it's a Villian.
i love how gravity falls content never dies, and that new theories still appear every now and then even after the show had ended over ten years ago
6 years ago, not over 10
i want a season 3. NOW 😭
i am so intrigued that these past 2 days, after I finished the series, I have had a continuous depression. the series is over, there's no more episodes 😭
@@baconpzz oooh it started 10 years ago sorry
@@oomphur8195 eh mistakes happen no worries
To me, Bill’s tragedy can be seen as one that is fundamentally rooted in his implicit nature as a nigh-omniscient God-like entity. We all know the saying - “With great power comes great responsibility” - Bill never had the opportunity to learn how to master the art of being responsible; he simply acted for the sake of hedonism. That is what differs between Bill and humanity; if we are to succeed in life, it is almost compulsory for us mortals to learn how to be responsible and wise. We have ample opportunity to mature and evolve; God-like entities like Bill are most likely unable to comprehend something like that. I say all this because I very much dislike the idea of a character being evil for the sake of being evil, unless explicitly written as such. Bill is a liar, and most lies are indeed tragic.
*”LIE UNTIL WHAT YOU WANT TO BE TRUE BECOMES TRUE. LIE UNTIL YOU CANT REMEMBER WHATS A LIE AND WHAT ISNT. LIE UNTIL YOU ARENT LYING ANYMORE.”*
@@cewla3348 he is the strongest two dimensional power, then ascended to third dimensional power, becoming the strongest, so essentially dr.manhatten type shit, but stronger.
@@ragibmahfuz5241 and still lose to two childrens and twho gramps
@@ediakin4993 can't do much if the strongest being in a universe gets tricked into going in his weakest form, then dying
"Lie until you aren't lying anymore" is one of my favorite Bill quotes and it's not even technically canon to the series lol. So tragic
I think in journal three or somewhere else they elaborated that triangles were lesser than the others in Bill’s dimension. So, he got angry and burned it down. Including his family.
That was a Flatland reference. It’s stated that this wasn’t Bill’s dimension, and it’s impossible for it to have been because Ford visited it but Bill’s dimension was burned.
@@birdcar7808 Good to know! And thank you very much! :)
@@priestly8164 No problem :)
Kratos moment
FLAT DREAMS
Sixty degrees that come in threes.
Watches from within birch trees.
Saw his own dimension burn.
Misses home and can’t return.
Says he’s happy he’s a liar.
Blame the arson for the fire.
If he wants to shirk the blame.
He’ll have to invoke my name.
One way to absolve his crime.
A different form, a different time.
*Well now I feel like shi-*
Lol same
You feel like shirt?
Mabel, I know you're technically 23 but no swearing
@@XeroGravity_Orange *bruh*
I have a theory that maybe Bill was reincarnated as King in The Owl House for a couple of reasons
1) King is 8 years old Gravity Falls took place in 2012 and The Owl house takes place in 2020
2) They both want to be tyrants and have lots energy
3) The line "A different form, A different time"
One more thing to add is that in an AMA with a Bill themed account made by Alex Hirsch, when asked about what his home dimension was like, Bill responds by saying that Edwin A. Abbott was actually pretty close.
Edwin A. Abbott is famous for writing a novel on the society of a completely 2D world, and how a Square from that dimension had its mind opened to the idea of 3D, and begins philosophizing about things beyond his flat, two dimensional world.
This, combined with what he says in the series finale about how he came from the second dimension, paints a picture that the reason he had destroyed his home is because he himself had become enlightened to the worlds beyond what he now saw as flat, two dimensional, and unchanging, as for wether or not he decided to destroy everything right then and there or only did so as a result after his home dimension had snubbed his beliefs, is impossible to tell
I like this theory a lot. Maybe Bill was fascinated with the concept of a 3D dimension that he tried to "expand" his own dimension from 2D to 3D but ended up destroying it. He lies about not giving a F but actually misses his home dimension and it's beings, trying to cope with his guilty. "Blame the arson for the fire" can be the proof from Axolotl that Bill is blaming the experiment itself for the destruction of his dimension and not himself, but yes, maybe as a megalomaniac entity he didn't care for safety and tried it anyways, erasing his dimension in the process and escaping because he has the power to travel between realities.
Another thing, maybe Bill met Axolotl in one os his "dimensional experiments" pretty much as Ford met Bill experimenting with portals and since one who finds him/her/it can ask for anything, he asked for power beyond comprehension and got it. Maybe that's why Axolotl is aware of who he is and what he have done.
Is that "Flatlands?" Haven't thought of it in years.
That one line is interesting, "Another form, another time." When Bill's being erased in Stan's memory, he calls upon that same being, spelling out their name, saying, "My time has come to burn! I invoke the ancient power that I may return." If what you say is true and all of Bill's memories are erased, then would he possibly take on a nicer form? Such as a little, cute dog-like demon from the Boiling Isles? I dunno. It's a thought but it's interesting to think of the possibilities to the form Bill might take next and what he might or might not remember. If he wouldn't remember anything from his previous life, then we might never know but only theorize and guess. I mean, for how much of a caricature of Bill King has been in the past as well as certain parallels between the two characters, I won't question it.
I was thinking the exact same thing! It would make sense for the riddle-like response from the axolotl, and if Bill did get reborn without memories, King does com to mind. I think it would be really cool for the “only one way to absolve his crime” thing that you were saying to have to do with the ending of TOH, though I don’t know how Disney would implement something like that and I don’t think Disney would ever do something like that. Another thing to mention that might be tied with all of this is the clip Alex Hirsch posted on twitter for the 10th anniversary of bill singing “We’ll meet again”, again tying it to “A different form, a different time”.
Sorry about this, this is kind of just me dropping all my thoughts here :P
I think it's a loop, if you recall both Bill and Gruncle stan, call Stanford sixer nobody else does. Also Gruncle Stan knows a suspicious amount of information about the mindscape, informing Dipper and Mable on how to fight Bill out of his mind. I think Gruncle Stan is the different form, in a different time all along and it is kind of poetic that Bill's reincarnation or something similar, is the one to bring about his fall in the first place.
@@EnglishAaron wow, one of the best theories I've heard
Bruh
Yeah I've definitely been convinced King is Bill reincarnated for a while now. Alex Hirsch can do so many different voices -- why would King's be so close to Bill's?
"One way to absolve his crime. A different form, a different time."
Could be that the bird standing on Bills hand (in that one popular gravity falls picture where bills statue was left, rotting to time) is Bill himself, just simply in a.. "different form, a different time."
"Twisted out of shape, after the kill, the ghosts of his family, are haunting him still"- THE BOOK OF BILL
I don't know if anyone's said this already, but in the episode where he enters Stan's mind and the code to the safe gets thrown down the bottomless pit, Bill turns red with pure anger and has regular colored FIRE in his hands and says, "Do you have any idea what I'm like when I'm mad?!" Because he was young and had those powers, someone must have easily pissed him off in his dimension back when he was less wise. That could've triggered him to destroy his own dimension. When someone gets you really mad you don't care what you say or do getting caught in a fit of rag. And sometimes(for me atleast) you regret it once you've calmed down.
I think he wanted to be defeated, just look at some of the times where he could of killed somebody but didn’t.
But you need to remember two words…
P L O T A R M O R
I mean... it's still a cartoon on a kids channel
he was gonna kill Mabel in the original script, but they decided against it
@@TheEPICMarioBros2 Wait, really???
I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that bill prefers torturing others that don’t involve murder
Brilliant analysis, keep them coming!
“Blame the arson for the fire” No wonder why he always makes blue fire, wait, especially whenever he’s making a deal…
Coming back after a year,you were 100% right
Oh boy did the book of bill change things
I have many questions about Bill's orginal dimension, how it worked, and how Bill Became what he is.
seeing bill's shape, his original dimension could be the 2nd dimension (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_plane), which could just operate like you'd expect it to, our world just weird and 2d.
Also, if you've read the journals in number three, Stanford has some constellations, and one of them is named William, ironically, it was a triangle, which led me to believe that Bill either had a sibling and or siblings.
What if that's the death he's most torn up over, and that's why he's always looking for a distraction?
I'll just like to add one thing. After killing Time Baby Bill states that he now has control over time itself. Shouldn't he then be able to go back in time and save his dimension ?
Yeah thats kinda weird, since with time control, bill wouldnt have lost (except that was the only way, and part of his plan, which i doubt)
in conclusion, bill is a depressed teen lmao
i so glad that even after all these years of gravity falls being over that videos about it are still being made
i loved this video! when i saw it had 202 views i wanted to comment. i was kinda shocked, as i watched the whole video first then saw the views. you were in my recommended and i managed to get here. you have so much potential man, great video quality and you’ve put a ton of effort in. i’ll be subscribing and i hope to see you grow. i hope the best for you!
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Messages like these give me so much more motivation. Thank you so much- I will not let you down! #RoadTo1k
@@StrongholdBelow Unless the Pirate's Treasure story isn't Canon to Gravity Falls.
I am still pretty much convinced that King is actually the reincarnation of Bill Cipher. It just fits so well, plus who better to get through to a cosmic being like the Collector than some who was once just as powerful, if not more so, and incredibly chaotic.
never would i have guessed that the sentence "in the book dipper and mabel and the curse of the pirate treasure we see the twins crossing paths with an interdimensional creature: the axolotl" would be followed by a hardass after events prophecy type poem that would reveal an entire backstory but then again this is gravity falls
i think it's weird that bill apparently destroyed his own dimension, but how and why he did is a mystery. it would have taken a lot of effort to destroy an entire dimension, and yet he didn't think about the consequences of doing so during the process? my theory is that the "blame the arson for the fire" line that the axolotl says is signifying that bill isn't entirely to blame for what happened to his dimension. maybe someone who wouldn't have regretted destroying bill's dimension built a dimensional bomb or something like that, but was stopped. bill might've discovered the device and accidentally set it off.
I think part of it was that he’s so frogdang powerful he can just *poof* his dimension out of existence. His power is what ruined him in the first place. He might’ve gotten angry and done it as a split decision, or even on accident
I think bill did it by himself on purpose. He was talking to Ford when trying to convince him to give him the spell to break the boundaries of gravity falls and he said something about destroying his dimension because it was flat, people had flat minds. He wanted to escape into something more 3d and he hated his home so much he decided to just destroy it. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s what I thought of
based on his personality he’s obnoxious, relentless & always does things for his own pleasure, apparently he really hated his homeland cause it was completely flat so im assuming without thinking he just arsoned it & wanted it gone but didn’t realize that he’d be losing the ones he loved
also on his wikifandom it says he entered the Night Realm; an inter-dimensional space where he could travel to other dimensions, but it eventually collapsed on itself.. ig he got zapped somewhere but finds out that theres a prophecy where hes the one who opens the Night Realm again
There's proof that he's actually a flatlander from flatland seen in a page in one of the journals, also further proof being that Alex Hirsch said that the writer Abbot Abbot had an accurate idea about Bill'd true cannon past
The destruction of his world was entirely accidental and even more entirely his fault, hence he despises himself and denies that it was an accident, as he claims it was intentional only to satisfy his faltering, splintered sanity
"Huh? Wonder what this i-" *Flashbang*
WE'LL MEET AGAIN,DON'T KNOW WHERE,DON'T KNOW WHEN,BUT I KNOW WE'LL MEET AGAIN SOME SUNNY DAY...
I think I know where and when you were reborn. Your powers were reborn in Reverse Falls. Your personality was reborn as a split persona in AU 20s Dipper. What do you think of this theory/headcanon ? Am I close ?
HOW MANY OF MES ARE THERE?! MY GOD *PINETREE HELP*
I never really thought about it like that, but it does make sense now that you put it out like this
2:28 “within birch trees” literally EVERYTIME I see the word birch I think of camman18
Yoooooo
i noticed that in the episode sock opera bipper or bill dipper says this "its been so long since i have been IN A BODY". this made me think that bill used to be a HUMAN but died and now he is a spirit or ghost
Theres a really good fanfiction called "flat dreams" that is basically about Bill's life. After i read that everything Bill said made sense, they are "backflashes"/memories from his life in the 2nd dimension
Where is this fanfic I wanna read it now-
@@stormyd1869 Oh just search it up on google, it should be the 1st or 2nd one there
@@stormyd1869same
When I look at Bill, he kind of resembles SpongeBob. Their both yellow, they wear ties, has shapes as bodies and more.
Except SpongeBob hasn't (I think) ever been a Tumblr sexyman.
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Bill didn’t destroy his universe on accident. The way for him to descend into demonhood was to burn down his universe and kill his family. But now he regrets for what he did to his family and as for rest it checks out
Holy shit, this is pretty spot on
Except for the ending but man
Great job! Im super interested in Gravity falls lore and bill cipher, thanks for this, keep the good work up! Happy researching.
Gotta add: Bill tried to destroy all of humanity probably because he wants to forget what he's done is the past. This just made stuff worse. He also did say "AXOLOTL MY TIME HAS COME TO BURN I INVOKE THE ANCIENT POWER I MAY RETURN" and the Axolotl said "If he wants to shrink the blame, He'll have to invoke my name" which is what Bill did. He thinks this could do the trick but it hasn't really happened, yet. Until now He'll be scarred for life.
No happy ending for bill haha, but this is pretty spot-on
I'm glad that after these years, Peoples are still doing theories about Gravity Falls, which i like it.
The Flat Dreams fanfic will forever be the one and only bill cipher backstory for me
I love this theory... It sounds so wonderful to meet Bill Cipher again, but good this time. Yet we would miss one of the greatest villans of all time and of course it would be difficult the story good while having such a powerful being on the heros' side
Wow such good theories are rare Hope your Channel grow a lot.
:)
@@StrongholdBelow thanks tbh this theory is Real good
It's mentioned in one of the companion books (can't remember which one, but it's on the Axolotl's Gravity Falls wiki page) that Ford wonders if there's a polar-opposite being to Bill. It's been theorized, and not mentioned in your video, that the Axolotl is that polar-opposite of Bill. Everything Bill isn't, the Axolotl is and vice-versa.
There's a section of the Axolotl's poem "Watches from Birch Trees" that also implies the Axolotl was watching during Gideon's summoning of Bill in Dreamscapers. The trees surrounding Gideon's summoning circle sudden form a bunch of knots that look like eyes. We could take this as Bill watching from the trees, but this doesn't make sense to me as he's just about to be summoned in this instance, so why would he need to watch himself be summoned? Plus he was always watching them from the dreamscape anyway, he has no need for the tree knot eyes.
I like this theory and his backstory. Also the fact that they don't show it in the show; showing backstory and making us feel bad about the antagonist is way too overused in shows now. This shows us something: no matter how much bad has happened to you, you cannot use that as an excuse to harm the innocents. You cannot go and tell them it's your trauma that has lead to your doings. It was a reason why he did things, something that won't be important and won't matter even if we don't know, unlike a reason for us to feel bad able him and give him sympathy, feel relatable, etc., etc. He did what he did and there's no taking it back.
Its amazing to see a gravity falls video even after so much time after it ended.
“A different form, a different time,” Bill is King.
He's not.
@@sidnew2739 why wouldn’t he be
Makes perfect sense
@@Friedchcken It absolutelu doesn't.
@@sidnew2739 why not explain to me?
He watch’s from birch trees is a reference to when Gideon first summons bill the birch trees around him have eyes on them.
With “The Book of Bill” coming out, this guy’s theory seems to be spot on! 👀😎
I like this theory. Especially with the axolotl. It would make sense if the axolotl knew him because Bill knows Time Baby.
There are hints of bill having a secret twin brother
Like when
I found a certain decoded message in journal 3. The page "Throughout Bill's Ciphers" shows a code that translates into "CURSE THE AXOLOTL EVERY CONSPIRACY IS TRUE"
I loved gravity falls so much its such a comfort show
"Quote: "wooo pain is hilarious 😐" " LMAAOAOAOA
EYE love this theory, kid! _👁️_
Also, EYE still believe that King from The Owl house is Bill's reincarnation, why? Because in season 1 he behaved very similarly to Bill, but in time he became completely good.
How can the EYE speak? eyes don't have mouths, nor hands
@@LOL-bs1hg Dude, have you watched the show? Bill speaks by projecting his voice and his eye doubles as a mouth as he can be seen taking a bite out of the planet. Don't question anything Bill, because nothing makes sense 😂
@@soundtheartist9212 Yes i've seen the show, and I wasn't talking about the show either
@@LOL-bs1hg ??? But you inherently were since they are "the eye" in reference to Bill's all seeing eye. Did you not look at their profile picture and what video we are commenting on?
@@soundtheartist9212 Bruh it was a joke, let it go
Makes sense why he'd want to take over another dimension entirely, he wants his own domain so that he could feel at home.
At peace or that's what bill thinks taking over gravity falls and the rest of the planet means, he wants to make the dimension he took over somewhat like his home dimension, to ease the guilt and regret over what he did.
This channel is underrated.
Not underrated but new
i think another good thing to mention is him potentially lying to himself at a certain point to justify his past mistakes and the destruction of it, i remember in one episode him calling it "a flat world world flat minds and flat dreams"
This would make sense because in the owl house it is heavily implied that bill cipher is king and king would forget who he really was a tiny bit, he remembers he was the king of demons but never remembered his true body
More evidence to back this up a tiny bit in amphibia they introduced a axolotl with glowing eyes just like the one in the book
And the axolotl basically quoted Stan’s ending words and bill cipher was shown in one of the book pages in amphibia
This took waaaay to long
One of the funnest videos to make !!
Ok but let’s talk about how at 3:12 he used a scene from bill orders a pizza😂
This was a great theory and it makes a lot of sense, I’m happy that both the villain and the antagonist get a happy ending
When Stan got his memories back, he remembered Bill, thus bringing him back to life.
That’s what I’ve always thought
No he didn't. He recovered his memories, yes, but if he remembered Bill, he would've mentioned him. Bill Cipher remains dead.
Sixty degrees that comes in threes
Watches from within birch trees
Saw his own dimension burn
Misses home and can't return
Says he's happy. He's a liar
Blame the arson for the fire
If he wants to shirk the blame
He'll have to invoke my name
One way to absolve his crime
A different form, a different time.
*Why I can remember this but not school tests*
In journal 3, we see Ford go into a 2-d dimension. He then tells us that he imagined bill’s origin dimension to be something like that. We see that parallel earth dimensions exist, so it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility to say that bill came from a parallel of the 2d dimension. Bill even says, “It was flat world with flat dreams” so that is what I think this is trying to say
I think that the axolotl got all the messages from the mailbox in that one short
I like how Bill is referenced in inside job
Where exactly?
@@username-uu6rr on the necktie of the other guy in the First/second episode of the season 2 of the show, there is an Eye strangely similar to bill's one.
It can simbolize the illuminati but it has a strange shaped iris and also It doesnt match the other illuminati references in the show so... I think this is a reference to him
I didn't see it myself but my fiancee says there was some questionnaire thing Alex did where he implied Bill's previous home was like a book called Flatland.
Yo, hold up. Bill is fundamentally good at tricking and lying to people. What if, since Bill and Stanley were both in the same mind when their memories were erased, they still *are* in the same mind? As in, being in semi-control of Stan with no memories gives Bill exactly what he wanted: an endless party, guilt-free.
Just saying, the birch trees bit is a reference to eye shapes in the tree bark
There’s always two sides In a story between the hero and the villain, majority of the stories often hide the villain’s motives and reasons.
Truly shows that bill was more than just a chaotic entity
I love the theory that Bill was reborn as Stanley, having to atone for his crimes by being the one to defeat himself
Subbed. You deserve a prize for this video. How about a head that's always screaming the word "SUBSCRIBE!!!"?
BILL ALSO REPRESENTS THE ALL SEEING EYE
I found a soon to be legend
The fact that I'm watching this with the book of bill in hand ads so much more depth to the theory :0
STANLY KILLED ME
No- we were tricked. Jeez can’t remember our own defeat? 🫤
@@allie5551 true
@@Noobyplayz_games I become will cipher now hehe-
Like the video. I will say that I kinda don’t feel like Bill needs a tragic backstory (in fact arguably he’s better without it) but it is still really interesting. Whether it’s canon or not is in question, but I think it’s a case of “if you want it to be canon than it is, if you don’t than it isn’t” which I like
I don't think the books are canon and I agree with you. I think he works better as a character if he's psychotic for the heck of it so that's why I am choosing to believe this isn't canon and he just has weird hobbies
@@smartpatrick8690The books aren't Canon we all know that. One thing tho is a character really can't just be phsyco for the heck of it. There has to be some sort of reason as to why. The reason could be as simple as "he was born like that" it's boring but it's still a reason. But since Bill is pretty much a God I can agree that he doesn't need human reasoning.
I like the theory that Bill's dimension is flat land.
Sixty degrees that come from threes
Watches within the birch trees
Saw his own dimension burn
Misses home and can't return
Says he's happy he's a lair
Blame the arson for the fire
If he wants to shirk the blame
Hell have to invoke my name
One way to absolve his crime
A different from a different time
One of his lines in the show when Bill is talking to Ford is really interesting to me. He describes his demsion as a flat place where people have flat minds. It really makes me wonder.What makes his demision so flat? Is it literally flat?It's most likely that's the reason he destroyed it.
My friend mentioned that Bill died because Stan's memory was erased, but later in the episode, Stan regains his memory. If his memories are remade then Bill would be remade too.
so will this video get a sequel because of The Book of Bill?
Lets see how correct you are when the book of bill releases (if it tells Bill’s origins and backstory)
I find it interesting bill calls laughing a body spasm in the puppet episode
My friend seeing this : don't worry I will pay for your. Therapy bill😁
"A X O L O T L MY TIME HAS COME TO BURN, I INVOKE THE POWER THAT I MAY RETURN!" "If her wants to shrink the blame, he'll have to invoke my name. One way to absolve his crime. A different form, a different time." This is what really sums it up for me. Alex said that the book you used as an example, is not cannon. However he said it held one cannon secret, i think thats what makes this theory the best one.
Bill is still alive. Hes always alive, hes just reborn every time someone reads out the incantations. He died in ancient history, and he came back to life when Giddion read the spell.
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since gravity falls ended there where some new AUs of gravity falls as in fight falls which has bill not being a cocky person, he is rather mean and has anger issues i think and people wanted to keep the name of bill in fight falls but instead some people also called him kill. There is also another AU called revers falls where everything is reversed and there is also a color triangular person named will, and in some of peoples POV they are brothers/twins. The color of kill is red so that may be the reason why he has anger issues and why he is mean because from us people back in school we learned that the color red can be associated with the felling of madness, which brings us to will, will is blue . A light color of blue which we also learned it can be associated with the felling of sorrow or sadness which is why we wanted to change the emotions of each each character like for revers falls the twins dipper/mason and mabel work in the tent of telepathy and have the necklace that gideon had and both pacifica and gideon go to gravity/revers falls so they can have a good time but turns out that they won't. and both of the twins force bill/will to do many bad things but that is all i know for now hope this was enough info on the other AUs for you.
Back in the day the craze of theory videos on youtube about Bill Cypher still being alive was top. While chilling in the Undertale Fandome I remembered there was a that one Sans character in the undertale in the multiverse "Bill!Sans" when I thought of this I remembered all those theory videos on youtube about bill and what the A-X-O-L-O-T-L had to say about what he knew about Bill Cypher, there were many theories about him being alive such as Bill being reincarnated into King from Owl House. So I thought to myself, "wait, if Bill died then what happened to Bill!Sans from Undertale?" so my guess is that what if Bill Cypher is still alive? but, just in a different world? **alive in a different fandome?** 0_0
:D This theory is mind-blowing but I don't think as a happy ending cuz he committed the suicide.
2:45 daam they didnt need to add that much details
Your voice gives me nuke's top 5 vibes, good video btw
This theory is very nice and makes sense... WELP TIME TO RUIN IT WITH MY FANFIC!!!
Now we are gonna have book of bill in 2025
When you said bill does "self harm" i just morfolojicamente guten taged
By definition, it is self-harm
@@zototheo2580 trust me I know
And no, im not ok
@@rosariomendezelizalde372 I’m here if you need to talk
I never realized this, thanks