THE THEORY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED!! The website countdown just completed only a few hours after uploading and: 1. Euclydia is confirmed as Bill's home dimension 2. Euclid and Scalene are confirmed as dead people 3. There are two dead triangle parents holding baby Bill! 4. One of Bill's parents' names is confirmed to start with "scal"!!! Make sure to stay up to date with this series, ring the notification bell after subscribing! Check out Overton on Steam ► store.steampowered.com/app/3124790/Overton/ Let me know what you think the story is going to be about!
@@RemGames considering the Euclid irl was the [father of geometry] I don’t think he’s bill’s father, but his God, and that Euclidia was something the mathematician subconsciously created.
It’s absolutely a pun! That’s Alex Hirsch’s specialty! “Toby Determined” for the Gravity Falls gossiper, “Gideon Gleeful” for the (surface level) joyful character, and "Candy Chiu" for the girl that’s obsessed with sweets! Not to mention “Bill Cipher”!
if you go to the website and type the code tantrum, there is a transcript where time baby mentions his parents and almost says scalene in the same sentence. also he mentions euclidia as a place
I think you're right on the money. The website finally unlocked today and when you enter "Euclydian" you get "dimension not found" but when you enter "Euclid" or "scalene" you get "life form not found" which all backs up this theory.
"eye doctor of a different kind, who wants to make his patients blind. the doctor says three sips a day, will make the visions go away. fussy eater baby billy, wouldnt drink unless its silly. twisted out of shape after the kill, the ghosts of his family haunt him still". to me it seems that Bill constantly "seeing the third dimension" because of his unique ability got his parents concerned, and scheduled him to see an "eye doctor of a different kind", a psychiatrist. the doctor prescribed him some medication to make the visions of the third dimension go away. this got bill mad, and as he said "he came up with a plan to show everyone what they were missing". whatever he did, unfortunately ended up with the destruction of his universe.
I agree I thought so as well, It makes Bill's frustration make more sense. He was outcast by public for being different and his parent's sollution to make his uniqueness numb with meds. I could easily imagine that Bill's dimension was black and white and he was only being with colors.
yeah, I think silly straws are a metaphor as well. Because Bill's coping mechanism is humor. If he was seeing a psych or therapist and they wanted to treat him in ways that made him uncomfortable (whether it be medicine or more therapy) Bill said "no way" because he'd rather self medicate with humor and destruction.
Knowing Bill’s story makes him almost an exact parallel to Stanford Both of them were born with a mutation. That mutation caused them to be isolated and ostracised, and eventually develop this “misunderstood genius” complex - “I’m not a freak! I’m special! Everyone else is just small minded, they can’t possibly understand someone like me! One day I’ll prove it, and they’ll all love me!” And both of them ended up turning their back on their families because of it. Thankfully, Stanford was able to pull himself out of it. It took him a LONG TIME but he realised the importance of connections, and the importance of family. But for Bill… it was too late. His need to prove that he was better than everyone else was too strong and he ended up losing his family. And now all he’s left with is shallow, false ego - pretending to be this evil mastermind, pretending that the destruction of his home dimension was all part of his master plan, that they deserved it for trying to HOLD HIM BACK.
The funny part is, we should _totally_ be able to comprehend Bill's homeworld, as if it were moving drawings on a piece of paper (or heck, animations on a screen like a 2D video game). It's _higher_ dimensions that we're unable to observe or visualize properly (see: the entire premise of _4D Golf)._ Heck, Stanford himself ended up in a _different_ 2D world in Journal 3, and though he struggled to interact with it physically (and ended up attacked by it with some nasty paper cuts), he still managed to at least observe and partially understand it (in spite of being unable to change his observation angle, his eyes intersected the plane but his Z-axis position was fixed).
i think it's impossible to really be in a dimensions where everything is 2d without being in it, we can represent it in our three-dimensional universe but our minds aren't really good at imagining things we haven't seen
i thought the 'eye doctor of a different kind' wasnt bill being the patient post-euclidian massacre- i had thought it was his parents (hence 'baby billy') being weirded out by this talk about "up" and chalking it up to hallucinations. bill has offhandedly mentioned (to ford, in one of the missing pages) about how "his talents were being snuffed out". No one believed that there was a third dimension, and his parents thought he was insane. They tried to "make him blind". He found out one day and still harbors hatred to it- although he still seems to be haunted by it, as he also mentioned "everyone loved him"- so he clearly would have grown an emotional attachment to those who loved him, if it was his family. His family thought he was crazy, and he was angry they thought that, but they still loved eachother. this is why bill plays it off as "I dont regret it. i cant go back home, i dont care" because he's angry that his parents wanted to 'make him blind', but won't admit how much he misses them.
As a guy who read The Great Gatsby in high school, here something that may help: T. J. Eckleburg, the eye doctor in the story with the billboard, is the symbolic equivalent of God’s judgment. The billboard, with its striking blue eyes, looks down on how society is in the book and lets the world fall into the pitfalls of its temptations. Perhaps there is a character, new or old, that fills this role. An observer of a fallen world that offers an escape, but we never take it, and Bill can’t accept it.
The website just updated! if you put "Scalene" and "Euclid" in the computer it says "lifeform not found"!!!!! Thank you for dropping this video just in time!!!!
And if you put in "well well well being" it says bill only draws red and blue triangles and that bill is afraid of 3D glasses (probably a trauma response) Which implies that his parents were red and blue
@@Cygnus10101 putting in “TANTRUM” it unlocks the conversation Bill and Time Baby have before they’re fight (reference to the book) Time Baby brings up Bills dimension and to say it pisses Bill off would be an understatement.
on the page about destroying his universe, he has a trauma reaction, which would explain why he blacks out, but it doesnt explain why the words itself glitched out, if he wrote them down, they shouldnt be glitching out like that because of his reaction, unless, the neurons of the brain matter made of the page is connected to his own brain, so it's a possibility that the book itself is made of his own brain matter, and the ink is his own blood, since we saw that same glitchy effect on the words on his blood on the government interrogation page. Bill used his own brain matter and blood to make the book.
Bill has a tragic backstory and have a lot of shame of it because he feels pain and guilt . his weird and maniac clown classroom persona is a facade and a disfunctional coping mechanism
And with getting involved with the wrong people (the henchmaniacs) made him feel like he was doing nothing wrong, he felt like he was having "fun" hence why he brushes off the destruction of his universe as a minor accident, when deep inside him it really wasn't just a minor accident. As much as he wanted to access our dimension, he doesnt realize how at risk he could have put our world with Weirdmageddon, to him it was just a big game, and at some point this persona shaped him into who he is shown to be throughout the TV series.
Exacltly i was listening a podcast about c-ptsd and a psychologist mentioned that when someone is traumatized to dont belong anywhere and their atitude is tules by trauma they can associate with other “black sheep “ in order to Fit in however this can be dangerous because the person is Connecting with these kind by bad energy and by trauma rather self acceptance . Maybe bill doesn’t like him self too and this explains his self destrucyive ( when he possesed dipper and Ford ) and his chaotic behaviour ..😢
or maybe when he was in the 2nd dimension and could see the third dimension, he was forced to drink medicine to make him "blind" to "up". he refused to take the medicine and instead tried showing his world the third dimension (either intentionally or unintentionally) killing everyone. he went crazy/manic due to his guilt in killing them. he also mentioned getting bullied for being different in his dimension
ACTUALLY, i believe the silly straw thing is in reference to them trying to make Bill stop seeing the third dimension as it was not allowed, but because baby billy was fussy, he had to drink the medicine with a silly straw
Okay, just noting down an idea I had: In the poem talking about the doctor giving baby Billy the medicine to cure his visions, he could also be talking about how only Bill could see the third dimension and no one else understood what he meant by saying there was a direction called “up”. Nothing else I can really add but that’s an interesting fact.
16:10 My interpretation, it's about Bill seeing the third dimension because of a mutation. And the doctor is trying to get rid of that by getting rid of his vision. It also talks about Bill when he was younger, so it would be before the massacre
Interesting thought! And while it could be, I don’t know if that would constitute “visions”. That would just be regular vision. I also want to note that Bill is currently a preteen at 1 trillion and 12 years old, which would mean he’s been a baby for at LEAST 83 billion years after he was born
@@RemGames It could be but I honestly feel like the "preteen" bit was just a joke as 12 years ago was when Gravity Falls aired for the first time. Bill canonically drinks and in general has done various "adult" things, if Disney was against an F bomb I don't think they'd put actual underage drinking in a book... in general, he feels like a broken adult more than an actual preteen
Theory: what if the reason that bill is loved by the creatures in his universe to the point that even his wrongdoings are acceptable is because his father Euclid, aka the "father of geometry" was the leader of that universe. This would explain his special treatment and why him of all people have the ability to see through the third dimension.
Now here's an interesting thought built on that (although I don't think it's correct unless the second triangle in static asking why did you do it on the website is not his real father.) But what if momma triangle and a circle somehow hooked up and made Bill? Going off the idea that Bills world is based on Flatland where they have a dystopic cast society with circles at the top and triangles something like merchant class, that scandal would be insane. But could explain Bills round eye and mutation which lets him see the third dimension. And would further validate the "father of geometry" if Bills father was one of the ruling circle class.
About the failed methods, specifically the music part, i would like to offer up "its gonna get weird" by lemon demon for consideration. You see, lemon demon, or Neil Cicierega, was contacted by the gravity falls team to compose and perform a song for Bill Cipher, but it was never used, and yet never scraped. Just a thought.
I'd like to add to this, there's something you didn't mention which would have fit into this video. In one of the torn out journal pages, there is one part where Bill shows the remain of his home dimension, when Ford asked what happened, how was his dimension destroyed, Bill hesitated, being described by Ford as "distant, more distant than I'd ever seen him" Finally Bill replies "by a monster." He clearly blames himself, but doesn't want to face what he's done
This video raises a good question though. Bill always bragged about the destruction of his home, but clearly it hurt him deeply. So what if eveything else hes done is him coping with his trauma? What if bill isnt actually an evil mastermind, but a broken man, desperatly searching for a way out? Could he desire to turn earth into his playground as a way to bring back what he lost?
When I first saw the silly straws part and the codes, I thought it meant how Bill could see the third dimension and those were his “visions“ and he had to take some sort of medicine to make the visions go away, but the way you describe it makes a lot more sense
I imagined that silly straw cryptograms meant that doctor in Bill's home dimension was tasked to give him medicine to take away Bill's third-dimensional vision. As it is mentioned by Bill that talking about third dimension was illegal in his home dimension. Your view of the cryptograms gave Bill more depth in his trauma. My view made his parents to put their child on meds because he was born different. I don't know which one is better, kinda like both options to be canon.
I really enjoyed your video and hearing your theories about Billy Cipher from "The Book of Bill." I just wanted to mention three things. 1.) Is it possible to interpret the rhyme a different way? Bill mentions in his "backstory" that he could see the third dimension, but no one knew what he was talking about. This is supported when he says, "No one else in my stifling pancake of a reality understood what I was talk about when I said there was a direction called "up"." This could possibly have led people to believe that Bill was seeing things, hence the mention of the eye doctor. The part that says "who want to make his patients blind" could possibly reference that the doctor prescribed Bill a medicine which would prevent Bill from seeing the third dimension. However, as supported by the quote "Fussy eater. Baby Billy wouldn't drink unless its silly", Bill wouldn't take the medicine unless he drank it from a silly straw as you mentioned. However, Bill eventually got sick and tired of taking the medicine, everyone disregarding what he said about the third dimension and treating him as if he was seeing things, so he lashed out which led to the Euclidean Massacre. And as you said, he is haunted by the ghosts of his family. Again, that's just a theory on another way to interpret the rhyme on the Silly Straws page/section of the book. 2.) During a drunken rant by Bill, it is implied that his claims of a good childhood are false and that he was actually ostracized for his mutation, giving him the drive to finally make his race understand what he saw. This is referenced in "Gravity Falls: Journal 3" by Disney Book Group. July 26, 2016. Published by Disney Press. Page(s) The Oracle. 3.) Bill cameos in The Simpsons episode "Bart's In Jail!". In a mass hallucination of the titular family, the Norse god of mischief Loki claims that Bill is one of his many forms, and Bill says, "Buy crypto, suckers!" Alex Hirsch reprises his role and has confirmed this to be canonical.
I think his claims of a good childhood were true up til he started telling everyone about the 3rd dimension (so he WAS beloved when very little/a baby, but once he was old enough to talk and comprehend stuff better they treated him as though he was weird)
1: My Take is that after starting to take it, *Bill realised that the 'Medicine' was meant to kill what made him Special,* and got so Blinded by Rage from the Betrayal by his own Parents that he 'Burned' them _(toned down to avoid the Algorithm)._ Then, wracked with Guilt and Insanity from what he'd done, Bill unleashed his Full Powers (including more he didn't realise he had) against his Homeworld, annihilating it... 2: _The Book of Bill_ itself's Powers page has Bill verify that *he was ridiculed by others in School for the abilities he had,* so his claims of "always been Loved" were definitely a blatant fabrication. 3: To elaborate Alex Hirsch's statement, Bill Cipher Guest Starring in _The Simpsons_ is Canonical - *the Statement that he was One of Loki's Alter Egos is Not!* Seperate Fiction from Fiction in Fiction, people!
I just watched the first part of this series today and I was bummed I couldn't watch the second, but this is amazing! Less than an hour after it being released 🙌
i think scalene and euclid mean moreso a singular term of a species like "man" instead of "mankind" or or things like "animal" like saying "man and animal rest in peice"
I thought, as Euclydia is the home dimension, the shape like residents of the dimension would be known as Euclideans, while the triangle residents (like bill and his parents) would be known as scalenes
Wow this psychopath not only destroyed his world but also devoured the souls of the inhabitants of his world including his family this is madness on another level good video keep going
Isn't Euclid some sort of king? After all, he had an entire universe under his name. That would make Bill a prince, wouldn't it? Which would explain why everyone "loved him so much".
Thanks a lot for this video I love all the misteries of gravity falls but I don't have that much eperience and time to solve them myself, I knew the silly straws page would be important and I'm happy to see what it actually sais ! Love your videos !
Don't quote me on this, but I might have a little theory. Theory: In the Book of Bill, there were pages where he mentioned Daryll, The Lobster Lord of the Deep several times and when Ford asked him what destroyed his home world, he said "By a momster". Granted, he was lying to Ford, but the fact he said monster specifically really had me thinking. Further more, when Bill was having a trauma response, he briefly said mandibles, which is what insects, arachnids and especially crustaceans have for mouths. In other words... *Bill could've mistakenly summoned Daryll to his home world, not only causing destruction, but it possibly killed his parents (Euclid and Scalene) by tearing them apart and eating their bodies. Leaving nothing but one tiny speck of reality of his world.* Think about it.
Your idea with him wanting the ghosts to go away make sense but i thought mabey this was a doctor in his world who wanted to help him stop seeing a third dimension I dont know this just sounds right to me
I think while Bill did lash out and destroy his homeworld/home dimension, it was because they tried to do something terrible to him. The color cypher in the Eye Chart mentions the Euclydea Department of Vision Correction, Bill mentions that his ability to see the third dimension is a mutation, he emphasizes how everyone loved him and the mayor said he’s the best ( but we know Bill lies and was likely saying the inverse of what actually happened, the fact that everyone of his fellow Flatlanders were given knives is terrifying, implying they were about to murder him); and lastly the Silly Straw encrypted text mentions that the eye doctor wasn’t trying to restore vision but to blind him-giving him drugs (in liquid form, that baby Billy wouldn’t take except via silly straw) that would “correct/remove” his ability to see the 3dd dimension. Bill’s finally speech in the book cements this, “just like my miserable family who tried to snuff out my late game!” Not only was Bill’s ability shunned, he was put through coerced procedures, as a child. No wonder he’s traumatized. But Bill wanted them to see, maybe wanted to stop being persecuted; so he did something that destroyed Euclydea. Or maybe he just wanted them to stop, so he attacked (he mentions being covered in blood). Either way, something happened and it was violent. His parent’s static text still calls it murder. Time Baby calls it a massacre. Maybe it was both. Bill at one points mentions to Ford trying to turn back time and it not being possible, and regrettable. Maybe he tried to undo his violence, but that caused even more widespread destruction/collapse. The Theraprism calls it the 2nd Dimension Incident. I think Bill was traumatized in childhood for his differences. Lashed out violently, was so traumatized he did something else (either inadvertently or intentionally) and wiped out his whole dimensions. He was orphaned, homeless, and alone. Add on top of that he’s a Narcissistic who can feel no shame, and you get…..literally everything he does from that moment onwards. Running from a guilt he literally cannot let himself process. The mad desperate gasp of a teenage theater kid, as Ford put it. There’s the tragic backstory. He’s still reprehensible for it all, though. Even if he had bad actions put upon him, he’s still choosing to do further worse actions; instead of how Ford and Stan turned their own corners. Even Pacifica.
For the silly straw messages, I feel like you could interpret it as a doctor trying to make bill's visions of the 3rd dimension using some kind of medicine.
Just want to add that runic is the language Oden hung himself on the world tree to understand and learn the secrets of the universe meaning he can alter anything useing the runes or "rune magic" so it kinda makes sense to me that it was on the multi verse tradeing card
(singing we'll meet again but different) We meet again, now know where, not now and then. OH I know we'll find this lore out on a sunny day! Ready for round 2
I still believe that the vision that bill is referring are his visions of a third dimension. His parents (Euclid and Scalene) got worried and went to the doctor but something freaked bill out that made him massacre his planet or universe.
@@RemGamesomg! I can’t believe you replied! I was looking for the name of Bill’s code (to mark up my new copy of The Great Gatsby, as one does) and I saw that you replied! I’m so happy!!!
When Dipper asked the axolotl he said, "Saw his own dimension burn...Blame the arson for the fire..." This shows that the thing he did to destroy euclydia has to do with fire/arson.
Personally i think the whole silly straw page could also be about how as a child the doctors tried to cure bill being able to see the 3rd dimension “silly billy” seems like what you would say to an unruly child not an adult who murdered millions. Which could be part of the reason he destroyed his reality’s
dude until yesterday, i questioned myself how pines defeated bill cipher bill cipher really didn't want to win bill cipher can't take a season 3, he already at the limits of suffering the problem bill cipher power was even more beyond than we undertand, or him even understand, power surpass concept of existence itself lies beyond lies, to point lies aren't lies, every joke and every action, there really nothing beyond, than lies and a lot of pain the truth is endless pain, for him to even think about it why he is pain?, he really doesn't get it so his only way he found to ease his own pain, is to cause pain to others, and think pain is funny bill cipher doesn't want accept any care to others, even when he want others to care about him stanley was bad, but bill cipher is entirely a new dimension i am feel pity and sorrow for him, than laughing or afraid all that power, and nothing to do with it bill cipher doesn't want a season 3, but he really need a season 3
here's a crazy thought, alex hirsch used the eye of providence (the illuminati thing on the one dollar bill), and created bill cipher, and as a tribute named his character "bill" cipher (yes its obvious, but i feel like no one really pointed it out
I remember when Ford visits Euclidia on the journal 3, but half of his head could fit in 'cause the dimension was 2d and Ford obviously is a 3d being and more big that the planet itself. Also that confused me, because Ford visit that place and he said he found geometric habitants...but... it wasn't destroyed by Bill a lot of time ago? Maybe I don't remeber this too good... but I know Ford visit the place... and I just can assume that the placd maybe got created again? Or something....
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THE THEORY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED!!
The website countdown just completed only a few hours after uploading and:
1. Euclydia is confirmed as Bill's home dimension
2. Euclid and Scalene are confirmed as dead people
3. There are two dead triangle parents holding baby Bill!
4. One of Bill's parents' names is confirmed to start with "scal"!!!
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You are super underrated you are a genius! 😁
@@Yamato833thank you so much! I don’t know if I’d consider myself a “genius” but I appreciate it nonetheless!
Geez you don't have to explain my back story
@@RemGames considering the Euclid irl was the [father of geometry] I don’t think he’s bill’s father, but his God, and that Euclidia was something the mathematician subconsciously created.
Hey that's me
the euclid stuff is just a pun on the fact that 2d flat geometry is euclidean, but knowing hirch it’s probably also what you said
It’s absolutely a pun! That’s Alex Hirsch’s specialty! “Toby Determined” for the Gravity Falls gossiper, “Gideon Gleeful” for the (surface level) joyful character, and "Candy Chiu" for the girl that’s obsessed with sweets! Not to mention “Bill Cipher”!
@@RemGameshey on bills backstory page useing a color key may give you some LORE
@@RemGames I’m like 95% sure your right
if you go to the website and type the code tantrum, there is a transcript where time baby mentions his parents and almost says scalene in the same sentence. also he mentions euclidia as a place
apparently when he was in therapy he was drawing red and blue triangles
I think you're right on the money. The website finally unlocked today and when you enter "Euclydian" you get "dimension not found" but when you enter "Euclid" or "scalene" you get "life form not found" which all backs up this theory.
It also works with just "EUCLYDIA"
typing vallis cineris into the computer straight up confirms this theory
@@walterwhite7925 It also translates from lattin to "Valley of ashes"
"eye doctor of a different kind, who wants to make his patients blind. the doctor says three sips a day, will make the visions go away. fussy eater baby billy, wouldnt drink unless its silly. twisted out of shape after the kill, the ghosts of his family haunt him still".
to me it seems that Bill constantly "seeing the third dimension" because of his unique ability got his parents concerned, and scheduled him to see an "eye doctor of a different kind", a psychiatrist. the doctor prescribed him some medication to make the visions of the third dimension go away. this got bill mad, and as he said "he came up with a plan to show everyone what they were missing". whatever he did, unfortunately ended up with the destruction of his universe.
Yes. It says "baby Billy", meaning Bill when he was younger and seeing visions of the third dimension, and before he destroyed everyone
I agree I thought so as well, It makes Bill's frustration make more sense. He was outcast by public for being different and his parent's sollution to make his uniqueness numb with meds. I could easily imagine that Bill's dimension was black and white and he was only being with colors.
This is exactly what I thought too
I thought so too, guess that makes more sense
yeah, I think silly straws are a metaphor as well. Because Bill's coping mechanism is humor. If he was seeing a psych or therapist and they wanted to treat him in ways that made him uncomfortable (whether it be medicine or more therapy) Bill said "no way" because he'd rather self medicate with humor and destruction.
Matpat just sitting back and watching the fire rise and spread and he smiles
If you put theory in the websit Matpat comes up and says basically solve it yourself
@@ravenbailey5921 yeah thanks alot MAT (love u man)
Knowing Bill’s story makes him almost an exact parallel to Stanford
Both of them were born with a mutation. That mutation caused them to be isolated and ostracised, and eventually develop this “misunderstood genius” complex - “I’m not a freak! I’m special! Everyone else is just small minded, they can’t possibly understand someone like me! One day I’ll prove it, and they’ll all love me!” And both of them ended up turning their back on their families because of it.
Thankfully, Stanford was able to pull himself out of it. It took him a LONG TIME but he realised the importance of connections, and the importance of family.
But for Bill… it was too late. His need to prove that he was better than everyone else was too strong and he ended up losing his family.
And now all he’s left with is shallow, false ego - pretending to be this evil mastermind, pretending that the destruction of his home dimension was all part of his master plan, that they deserved it for trying to HOLD HIM BACK.
Name suggestion: Billboard
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Had the same idea xD
Good name
Same idea
Name it Billboard "Johny" Cipher
I couldn't even imagine how bill cipher would respond if you tried to make fun of his dead parents or make fun of him for killing them.
You would love to see his interaction with the time Baby in the Thisisnotawebsite.
@@SkylerDemness what happens and what do you have to enter?
@@mikepring7501"tantrum"
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17:28 I think it’s more about them feeding bill some medicine that stopped him from seeing into the third domension
The funny part is, we should _totally_ be able to comprehend Bill's homeworld, as if it were moving drawings on a piece of paper (or heck, animations on a screen like a 2D video game). It's _higher_ dimensions that we're unable to observe or visualize properly (see: the entire premise of _4D Golf)._ Heck, Stanford himself ended up in a _different_ 2D world in Journal 3, and though he struggled to interact with it physically (and ended up attacked by it with some nasty paper cuts), he still managed to at least observe and partially understand it (in spite of being unable to change his observation angle, his eyes intersected the plane but his Z-axis position was fixed).
i think it's impossible to really be in a dimensions where everything is 2d without being in it, we can represent it in our three-dimensional universe but our minds aren't really good at imagining things we haven't seen
@@inachos5759you can. Draw a triangle. Boom you comprehend 2D.
I think it's so cool is that the book of Bill is letting us learn more about Bill's past. add something I always wanted to know when I was a kid.
I love it so much! We’re really getting to learn a lot more about the darker side of him!
@@RemGames and the fact that Bill is telling us himself, that's really cool in my opinion
i thought the 'eye doctor of a different kind' wasnt bill being the patient post-euclidian massacre- i had thought it was his parents (hence 'baby billy') being weirded out by this talk about "up" and chalking it up to hallucinations. bill has offhandedly mentioned (to ford, in one of the missing pages) about how "his talents were being snuffed out". No one believed that there was a third dimension, and his parents thought he was insane. They tried to "make him blind". He found out one day and still harbors hatred to it- although he still seems to be haunted by it, as he also mentioned "everyone loved him"- so he clearly would have grown an emotional attachment to those who loved him, if it was his family. His family thought he was crazy, and he was angry they thought that, but they still loved eachother. this is why bill plays it off as "I dont regret it. i cant go back home, i dont care" because he's angry that his parents wanted to 'make him blind', but won't admit how much he misses them.
As a guy who read The Great Gatsby in high school, here something that may help:
T. J. Eckleburg, the eye doctor in the story with the billboard, is the symbolic equivalent of God’s judgment. The billboard, with its striking blue eyes, looks down on how society is in the book and lets the world fall into the pitfalls of its temptations. Perhaps there is a character, new or old, that fills this role. An observer of a fallen world that offers an escape, but we never take it, and Bill can’t accept it.
that would be the axolotl which explains his reluctancy in calling his name for a second chance at life
The website just updated! if you put "Scalene" and "Euclid" in the computer it says "lifeform not found"!!!!! Thank you for dropping this video just in time!!!!
And if you put in "well well well being" it says bill only draws red and blue triangles and that bill is afraid of 3D glasses (probably a trauma response)
Which implies that his parents were red and blue
@@Cygnus10101 putting in “TANTRUM” it unlocks the conversation Bill and Time Baby have before they’re fight (reference to the book) Time Baby brings up Bills dimension and to say it pisses Bill off would be an understatement.
@@bleujay6127if you put baby you'll see bill in a ultrasound
Yeah and if u write euclydia it says dimension not found so its a dimension that destroyed maybe bills dimension
on the page about destroying his universe, he has a trauma reaction, which would explain why he blacks out, but it doesnt explain why the words itself glitched out, if he wrote them down, they shouldnt be glitching out like that because of his reaction, unless, the neurons of the brain matter made of the page is connected to his own brain, so it's a possibility that the book itself is made of his own brain matter, and the ink is his own blood, since we saw that same glitchy effect on the words on his blood on the government interrogation page.
Bill used his own brain matter and blood to make the book.
Bill has a tragic backstory and have a lot of shame of it because he feels pain and guilt . his weird and maniac clown classroom persona is a facade and a disfunctional coping mechanism
And with getting involved with the wrong people (the henchmaniacs) made him feel like he was doing nothing wrong, he felt like he was having "fun" hence why he brushes off the destruction of his universe as a minor accident, when deep inside him it really wasn't just a minor accident. As much as he wanted to access our dimension, he doesnt realize how at risk he could have put our world with Weirdmageddon, to him it was just a big game, and at some point this persona shaped him into who he is shown to be throughout the TV series.
Exacltly i was listening a podcast about c-ptsd and a psychologist mentioned that when someone is traumatized to dont belong anywhere and their atitude is tules by trauma they can associate with other “black sheep “ in order to Fit in however this can be dangerous because the person is Connecting with these kind by bad energy and by trauma rather self acceptance .
Maybe bill doesn’t like him self too and this explains his self destrucyive ( when he possesed dipper and Ford ) and his chaotic behaviour ..😢
or maybe when he was in the 2nd dimension and could see the third dimension, he was forced to drink medicine to make him "blind" to "up". he refused to take the medicine and instead tried showing his world the third dimension (either intentionally or unintentionally) killing everyone. he went crazy/manic due to his guilt in killing them. he also mentioned getting bullied for being different in his dimension
ACTUALLY, i believe the silly straw thing is in reference to them trying to make Bill stop seeing the third dimension as it was not allowed, but because baby billy was fussy, he had to drink the medicine with a silly straw
“The equivalent of a dog ID tag, or one half of a couple’s t-shirt” definitely made me laugh. Definitely both.
Okay, just noting down an idea I had:
In the poem talking about the doctor giving baby Billy the medicine to cure his visions, he could also be talking about how only Bill could see the third dimension and no one else understood what he meant by saying there was a direction called “up”. Nothing else I can really add but that’s an interesting fact.
18:08 Okay Bill, just dont go to over board, meet an few people
Bill secounds later:
He’s insane!
@@RemGames It reminds me of that one "Remember, keep the conversation light and casual" AbsoluteNutcase162 comic
16:10 My interpretation, it's about Bill seeing the third dimension because of a mutation.
And the doctor is trying to get rid of that by getting rid of his vision.
It also talks about Bill when he was younger, so it would be before the massacre
Interesting thought! And while it could be, I don’t know if that would constitute “visions”. That would just be regular vision. I also want to note that Bill is currently a preteen at 1 trillion and 12 years old, which would mean he’s been a baby for at LEAST 83 billion years after he was born
That's what I was thinking.
@@RemGames Oh and the corpses were mangled and twisted just like the silly straws.
@@RemGames It could be but I honestly feel like the "preteen" bit was just a joke as 12 years ago was when Gravity Falls aired for the first time. Bill canonically drinks and in general has done various "adult" things, if Disney was against an F bomb I don't think they'd put actual underage drinking in a book... in general, he feels like a broken adult more than an actual preteen
@@RemGames what if maybe the doctor and everyone around him thought that the 3rd dimension was a vision?
Bill has a good singing voice
Edit: I had a feeling they were his parents! 19:24
Theory: what if the reason that bill is loved by the creatures in his universe to the point that even his wrongdoings are acceptable is because his father Euclid, aka the "father of geometry" was the leader of that universe. This would explain his special treatment and why him of all people have the ability to see through the third dimension.
Now here's an interesting thought built on that (although I don't think it's correct unless the second triangle in static asking why did you do it on the website is not his real father.) But what if momma triangle and a circle somehow hooked up and made Bill? Going off the idea that Bills world is based on Flatland where they have a dystopic cast society with circles at the top and triangles something like merchant class, that scandal would be insane. But could explain Bills round eye and mutation which lets him see the third dimension. And would further validate the "father of geometry" if Bills father was one of the ruling circle class.
he lied about everyoe loving him though
About the failed methods, specifically the music part, i would like to offer up "its gonna get weird" by lemon demon for consideration. You see, lemon demon, or Neil Cicierega, was contacted by the gravity falls team to compose and perform a song for Bill Cipher, but it was never used, and yet never scraped. Just a thought.
8:11 I think it’s kinda funny how the entire multiverse is in a Pokémon card
@diwang3845: 8:11 I think it's funny how the entire multiverse is in a Pokémon card
I'd like to add to this, there's something you didn't mention which would have fit into this video.
In one of the torn out journal pages, there is one part where Bill shows the remain of his home dimension, when Ford asked what happened, how was his dimension destroyed, Bill hesitated, being described by Ford as "distant, more distant than I'd ever seen him"
Finally Bill replies "by a monster." He clearly blames himself, but doesn't want to face what he's done
and when Ford offers to help take him down, Bill says 'It would eat you alive' or something to that effect
I recently found out apparently there’s a real female name called “Eartha” so the idea of a Euclidean called Euclid isn’t that far fetched
Terra is also an Earth based name
Also there are people living in America named America, people living in North or South Dakota NAMED Dakota, etc.
@@cartoonishidealism582 Not to mention people with names like Kid, Guy, or the weirdly common Man or Mann
This video raises a good question though.
Bill always bragged about the destruction of his home, but clearly it hurt him deeply.
So what if eveything else hes done is him coping with his trauma?
What if bill isnt actually an evil mastermind, but a broken man, desperatly searching for a way out?
Could he desire to turn earth into his playground as a way to bring back what he lost?
When I first saw the silly straws part and the codes, I thought it meant how Bill could see the third dimension and those were his “visions“ and he had to take some sort of medicine to make the visions go away, but the way you describe it makes a lot more sense
So we actually for 10:05 because of the website being “fixed” we know Euclideia is a universe
I imagined that silly straw cryptograms meant that doctor in Bill's home dimension was tasked to give him medicine to take away Bill's third-dimensional vision. As it is mentioned by Bill that talking about third dimension was illegal in his home dimension. Your view of the cryptograms gave Bill more depth in his trauma. My view made his parents to put their child on meds because he was born different. I don't know which one is better, kinda like both options to be canon.
I really enjoyed your video and hearing your theories about Billy Cipher from "The Book of Bill." I just wanted to mention three things.
1.) Is it possible to interpret the rhyme a different way? Bill mentions in his "backstory" that he could see the third dimension, but no one knew what he was talking about. This is supported when he says, "No one else in my stifling pancake of a reality understood what I was talk about when I said there was a direction called "up"." This could possibly have led people to believe that Bill was seeing things, hence the mention of the eye doctor. The part that says "who want to make his patients blind" could possibly reference that the doctor prescribed Bill a medicine which would prevent Bill from seeing the third dimension. However, as supported by the quote "Fussy eater. Baby Billy wouldn't drink unless its silly", Bill wouldn't take the medicine unless he drank it from a silly straw as you mentioned. However, Bill eventually got sick and tired of taking the medicine, everyone disregarding what he said about the third dimension and treating him as if he was seeing things, so he lashed out which led to the Euclidean Massacre. And as you said, he is haunted by the ghosts of his family.
Again, that's just a theory on another way to interpret the rhyme on the Silly Straws page/section of the book.
2.) During a drunken rant by Bill, it is implied that his claims of a good childhood are false and that he was actually ostracized for his mutation, giving him the drive to finally make his race understand what he saw. This is referenced in "Gravity Falls: Journal 3" by Disney Book Group. July 26, 2016. Published by Disney Press. Page(s) The Oracle.
3.) Bill cameos in The Simpsons episode "Bart's In Jail!". In a mass hallucination of the titular family, the Norse god of mischief Loki claims that Bill is one of his many forms, and Bill says, "Buy crypto, suckers!" Alex Hirsch reprises his role and has confirmed this to be canonical.
I think his claims of a good childhood were true up til he started telling everyone about the 3rd dimension (so he WAS beloved when very little/a baby, but once he was old enough to talk and comprehend stuff better they treated him as though he was weird)
@@testerwulf3357 That’s what I’m saying in my theory. I just neglected that part
1: My Take is that after starting to take it, *Bill realised that the 'Medicine' was meant to kill what made him Special,* and got so Blinded by Rage from the Betrayal by his own Parents that he 'Burned' them _(toned down to avoid the Algorithm)._ Then, wracked with Guilt and Insanity from what he'd done, Bill unleashed his Full Powers (including more he didn't realise he had) against his Homeworld, annihilating it...
2: _The Book of Bill_ itself's Powers page has Bill verify that *he was ridiculed by others in School for the abilities he had,* so his claims of "always been Loved" were definitely a blatant fabrication.
3: To elaborate Alex Hirsch's statement, Bill Cipher Guest Starring in _The Simpsons_ is Canonical - *the Statement that he was One of Loki's Alter Egos is Not!*
Seperate Fiction from Fiction in Fiction, people!
I hope there’s a movie in the works called “Parallel Pines” where all the Pines twins in the multiverse try and take our Dipper and Mabel’s dimension.
seems like your theory of his life form and place is correct since putting either Euclid or euclidia does confirm it is a place or life form
on the new updste of thisisnotawebsite
call him BOB shortform of blackboard of bill
Oooooh, that’s a good idea! I like it!
I just watched the first part of this series today and I was bummed I couldn't watch the second, but this is amazing! Less than an hour after it being released 🙌
What good timing!
Matpat might have betrayed us but we gained a new source
I’m so glad this channel got recommended to me. And to get in while you’re still under 100k is super exciting. Can’t wait to see more.
i think scalene and euclid mean moreso a singular term of a species
like "man" instead of "mankind" or or things like "animal"
like saying
"man and animal rest in peice"
Euclid and Scalene are confirmed in the website as individuals. Typing their names gets you the message "lifeform not found"
it's his parents
i literally cant wait for the next episode
We’ve already called Bill a preteen theater kid last episode, this episode we exposed his trauma, we just keep abusing Bill every episode 😂
close enough, welcome back, matpat
I saw a lot of’shorts of gravity falls and decided to watch it. Seeing that there might come a season 3 makes me so fricking happy
I thought, as Euclydia is the home dimension, the shape like residents of the dimension would be known as Euclideans, while the triangle residents (like bill and his parents) would be known as scalenes
For the name of the Black Board, here are my top picks
• Steve
• Jason
• Charlie
• Dion
• Williy
Hope these are good! :]
3:25 Do you think that was cut off right there intentionally to make Bill say that he's a simp?
Wow this psychopath not only destroyed his world but also devoured the souls of the inhabitants of his world including his family this is madness on another level good video keep going
Hello, wall
Hello, wall
Hello, wall
Hello, wall
1:21 my theory at first was that was the Oracle maybe before she became basically the opposite of Bill.
6:39 that’s actually perfect
Black Board name puns:
Mr. BB
Mr. B
Dr. BB
Dr. B
Chalky
Professor Chalk
Sir Chalksolot
Absolutely amazing looking through all the clues and details of this book is amazing and I think you did a great job with this video
Thank you so much!
If you look in the portal you can see top hats growing and shrinking so I think there is his family that is making him black out
Isn't Euclid some sort of king? After all, he had an entire universe under his name. That would make Bill a prince, wouldn't it? Which would explain why everyone "loved him so much".
Thanks a lot for this video I love all the misteries of gravity falls but I don't have that much eperience and time to solve them myself, I knew the silly straws page would be important and I'm happy to see what it actually sais ! Love your videos !
Call the blackboard "blackboard soos"
(Reference to the amphibia episode saying theres a version of someone in every universe)
Name suggestion: Bill
*continuous eyebrow raises*
Don't quote me on this, but I might have a little theory.
Theory: In the Book of Bill, there were pages where he mentioned Daryll, The Lobster Lord of the Deep several times and when Ford asked him what destroyed his home world, he said "By a momster". Granted, he was lying to Ford, but the fact he said monster specifically really had me thinking. Further more, when Bill was having a trauma response, he briefly said mandibles, which is what insects, arachnids and especially crustaceans have for mouths. In other words... *Bill could've mistakenly summoned Daryll to his home world, not only causing destruction, but it possibly killed his parents (Euclid and Scalene) by tearing them apart and eating their bodies. Leaving nothing but one tiny speck of reality of his world.*
Think about it.
2:02
OMG YOU’RE A TOODLES FAN!!!! I AM TOO!! A HUGE ONE!!! HE’S MY ALL TIME FAVORITE CHARACTER!! THANK YOU FOR REFERENCING HIM
Your idea with him wanting the ghosts to go away make sense but i thought mabey this was a doctor in his world who wanted to help him stop seeing a third dimension
I dont know this just sounds right to me
I think while Bill did lash out and destroy his homeworld/home dimension, it was because they tried to do something terrible to him. The color cypher in the Eye Chart mentions the Euclydea Department of Vision Correction, Bill mentions that his ability to see the third dimension is a mutation, he emphasizes how everyone loved him and the mayor said he’s the best ( but we know Bill lies and was likely saying the inverse of what actually happened, the fact that everyone of his fellow Flatlanders were given knives is terrifying, implying they were about to murder him); and lastly the Silly Straw encrypted text mentions that the eye doctor wasn’t trying to restore vision but to blind him-giving him drugs (in liquid form, that baby Billy wouldn’t take except via silly straw) that would “correct/remove” his ability to see the 3dd dimension. Bill’s finally speech in the book cements this, “just like my miserable family who tried to snuff out my late game!” Not only was Bill’s ability shunned, he was put through coerced procedures, as a child. No wonder he’s traumatized.
But Bill wanted them to see, maybe wanted to stop being persecuted; so he did something that destroyed Euclydea. Or maybe he just wanted them to stop, so he attacked (he mentions being covered in blood). Either way, something happened and it was violent. His parent’s static text still calls it murder. Time Baby calls it a massacre. Maybe it was both. Bill at one points mentions to Ford trying to turn back time and it not being possible, and regrettable. Maybe he tried to undo his violence, but that caused even more widespread destruction/collapse. The Theraprism calls it the 2nd Dimension Incident.
I think Bill was traumatized in childhood for his differences. Lashed out violently, was so traumatized he did something else (either inadvertently or intentionally) and wiped out his whole dimensions. He was orphaned, homeless, and alone. Add on top of that he’s a Narcissistic who can feel no shame, and you get…..literally everything he does from that moment onwards. Running from a guilt he literally cannot let himself process. The mad desperate gasp of a teenage theater kid, as Ford put it.
There’s the tragic backstory. He’s still reprehensible for it all, though. Even if he had bad actions put upon him, he’s still choosing to do further worse actions; instead of how Ford and Stan turned their own corners. Even Pacifica.
For the silly straw messages, I feel like you could interpret it as a doctor trying to make bill's visions of the 3rd dimension using some kind of medicine.
Just want to add that runic is the language Oden hung himself on the world tree to understand and learn the secrets of the universe meaning he can alter anything useing the runes or "rune magic" so it kinda makes sense to me that it was on the multi verse tradeing card
NAME THE BLACKBOARD BUCK (In reference to Bill, since buck and bill are both names for a dollar)
Read the book; had the most silliest nightmares and daymares!
One of the codes is love
close enough, welcome back matpat
I find it crazy you guys figure all these things out 😭
@@My_xles It’s even crazier that we got it confirmed only a few HOURS later!
(singing we'll meet again but different) We meet again, now know where, not now and then. OH I know we'll find this lore out on a sunny day! Ready for round 2
These videos are absolutely AMAZING I’ve been checking every day for a new post hopping i missed the notification
Thank you so much!! I’m really glad the theories are so enjoyable!
What if "piece" wasn't a typo? What if they weren't killed... But scattered?
15:01 This makes me think of the Society of the Blind Eye
since matpat is gone. Everything is in our hands. In your hands.
He is feeding our theory hungry brains lol
This channel is like old 2016 game theory and it's rlly cool
12:51 wild guess bills mom and dad
I like how u break it down makes me feel like I'm watching a film theory or game theory a lil
When Bill has his arms straight down and his legs bent, I see his legs as his arms and I imagine him standing like a dinosaur
I still believe that the vision that bill is referring are his visions of a third dimension. His parents (Euclid and Scalene) got worried and went to the doctor but something freaked bill out that made him massacre his planet or universe.
You should name the blackboard Bill the Blackboard!!!
That’s such a good idea!
@@RemGamesomg! I can’t believe you replied! I was looking for the name of Bill’s code (to mark up my new copy of The Great Gatsby, as one does) and I saw that you replied! I’m so happy!!!
5:49 Is “love” and “pain” on his tattoo a reference to _Night of the Hunter?_ The bad guy has “love” and “hate” tattooed on his hands.
When Dipper asked the axolotl he said, "Saw his own dimension burn...Blame the arson for the fire..." This shows that the thing he did to destroy euclydia has to do with fire/arson.
Hard to fathom how a straw could exist in two dimensions, let alone a straw that loops back over itself.
Blackboard needs to be named Bill
Bill Board
@@clayuhuh Yes!!!!
For a sec there I thought we would actually see Tootles fly in
I was going to do it! I unfortunately ran out of time and had to upload but that was the plan!
@@RemGames ahh I thought it was to avoid something copyright
Maybe the visions and doctor text is referring to his baby times, when he was the only one who could see the third dimension
Personally i think the whole silly straw page could also be about how as a child the doctors tried to cure bill being able to see the 3rd dimension “silly billy” seems like what you would say to an unruly child not an adult who murdered millions. Which could be part of the reason he destroyed his reality’s
"Name for the blackboard?" I got one
board lene or 2 mr board
dude until yesterday, i questioned myself how pines defeated bill cipher
bill cipher really didn't want to win
bill cipher can't take a season 3, he already at the limits of suffering
the problem bill cipher power was even more beyond than we undertand, or him even understand, power surpass concept of existence itself
lies beyond lies, to point lies aren't lies, every joke and every action, there really nothing beyond, than lies and a lot of pain
the truth is endless pain, for him to even think about it
why he is pain?, he really doesn't get it
so his only way he found to ease his own pain, is to cause pain to others, and think pain is funny
bill cipher doesn't want accept any care to others, even when he want others to care about him
stanley was bad, but bill cipher is entirely a new dimension
i am feel pity and sorrow for him, than laughing or afraid
all that power, and nothing to do with it
bill cipher doesn't want a season 3, but he really need a season 3
here's a crazy thought, alex hirsch used the eye of providence (the illuminati thing on the one dollar bill), and created bill cipher, and as a tribute named his character "bill" cipher
(yes its obvious, but i feel like no one really pointed it out
4:12 thank you, bill cipher
I can’t wait for a new episode since the website got updated omg
1:20 I thought the “visions” were referring to how bill could see the third dimension, and that maybe doctors wanted to cure that perception idk
A name suggestion for the black board maybe “The Cipher Chronicles” or like smth along those lines
The scribbled out henchmaniac is the oracle from journal 3. Forgot where you mentioned it so im just gonna post this on all 3 videos.
9:03 I think shapes in euclidians is like race in humans.
Idk I just came up with that.
Name the blackboard: Marks
Fun fact, I was tortured by him as well to read his book…..I tried to not do it but I couldn’t. Luckily I didn’t fall for his traps
I remember when Ford visits Euclidia on the journal 3, but half of his head could fit in 'cause the dimension was 2d and Ford obviously is a 3d being and more big that the planet itself.
Also that confused me, because Ford visit that place and he said he found geometric habitants...but... it wasn't destroyed by Bill a lot of time ago?
Maybe I don't remeber this too good... but I know Ford visit the place... and I just can assume that the placd maybe got created again? Or something....
looking at the online comics the first page where alex talking about gravity falls has letters highlighted in a blueish green