Korg SQ-1 sequences longer than 16 notes

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  • Опубликовано: 12 окт 2017
  • Utilize the Chan A and Chan B outputs together to make sequences up to 56 steps long
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  • @xtalviper
    @xtalviper 3 года назад +18

    him: "so it's the simplest patch imaginable"
    me: "wtf is even going on here"

    • @kelvint03
      @kelvint03 3 года назад +3

      it's basically the initialised patch of almost every synth. try finding it in your software/hardware synth.

  • @mikeolson7588
    @mikeolson7588  5 лет назад +21

    For those of you who struggled with the shakiness of the video, my apologies. Yes, the tripod broke as I set up, so it was either hold the iPhone by hand (with manual focus), or don’t make the video. I have since obtained a new tripod, so this issue will go away. Thanks to everyone for their feedback and enjoy making music!

    • @haroldpalmer3245
      @haroldpalmer3245 3 года назад

      I know this is old video but I was hoping your still answering questions. I have a SQ-1 but according to Kong they don't have a fix for the USB driver for Windows 10. Do you have a solution or work around to obtain a driver that would allow windows to recognize the SQ-1? I purchased it over a month ago and it is useless without the driver, no way to sync it to my DAW. Thanks for any advice.

  • @jc3drums916
    @jc3drums916 3 года назад +15

    3:11 Just to clarify, for anyone who might be confused (I was for a second), only one of the two tracks has to contain an odd number (although both can). Either way, you'll get the same sequence, but starting from a different note. This is because the LCM will always be the product of the two numbers (with one exception, below), which means the sequence will run through every permutation of A+B.
    If both tracks are even, then there are two possible sequences (again with one exception): one when both tracks start on an odd (or even) step number, and one when one is odd and the other is even. Each possible sequence contains only half the possible permutations of A+B.
    The exceptions arise when the larger number is a multiple of the smaller number, and the smaller number is greater than 2 - in other words, 6:3 and 8:4. They will result in 3 and 4 possible sequences, respectively. This expands when you use two SQ-1's to do this trick - 9:3, 12:3, 15:3, 12:4, 16:4, 10:5, 15:5, and 14:7 will all result in similar behavior.
    Obviously, both tracks have to contain more than one step, and they can't contain the same number of steps.

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  3 года назад +2

      Yes and well said.

    • @SpikesStudio3
      @SpikesStudio3 5 месяцев назад

      I cant believe how insanely excited i am to try this. Where have you been all these years? Big love for the sq1. Would love a reissue of sq10 in green to match my ms20...

  • @leonmccormick2909
    @leonmccormick2909 4 года назад +1

    What a guy this is awesome and very informative. Very glad I found you.

  • @cellrok
    @cellrok 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for this video! Looking forward to play with my SQ1 when it arrives tomorrow. Really helpful.

  • @usuwaniestukotu722
    @usuwaniestukotu722 6 лет назад +2

    Reaaaly cool! Can't wait to try it out

  • @LeeCzere
    @LeeCzere 5 лет назад +1

    I just learned something valuable. Thanks!

  • @gonzosightseeing
    @gonzosightseeing 3 года назад +1

    Thank you Mike! What an awesome informative video. I dun gert smerter!!

  • @epicon6
    @epicon6 5 лет назад

    This is really valuable info! Thanks!

  • @ludwigkopp8130
    @ludwigkopp8130 6 лет назад +2

    Great idea. Very inventive!
    🙆

  • @pyrox2518
    @pyrox2518 5 лет назад +1

    mind just got blown. thanks a lot:)

  • @CorpseTongji
    @CorpseTongji 5 лет назад +3

    love this kind of cv cleverness
    the sq1 is more of a swiss army knife than it lets on

  • @matadiosesimpressum2991
    @matadiosesimpressum2991 4 года назад +6

    I use it on the Neutron summing and is so much fun, thanx

  • @thejoshuathomas
    @thejoshuathomas 2 года назад +4

    Hey, Mike. Just wanted to send you a message of thanks for your two very helpful videos on the SQ-1. Using math that I always thought was rather useless has been eye opening for me. Glad I paid attention in class, lol. Understanding how much sequencers rely on these principles has increased my love for music making that much more. Hope this message finds you well, all the best. Thanks again.

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  2 года назад +2

      Thank you for your kind remarks. I’m always happy to hear when one my videos is helpful.

  • @opts9
    @opts9 6 лет назад

    very nice! Thanks!

  • @harrychrome844
    @harrychrome844 6 лет назад +1

    So cool. Thank you very much for sharing this.

  • @PsytoxKoma
    @PsytoxKoma 6 лет назад

    brilliant!

  • @adventureswithsteve2981
    @adventureswithsteve2981 5 лет назад +11

    i thought this may interest you :- Power on the SQ1 while holding the [Play/Stop] Button puts you into Global Param Settings Mode , moving the Sequencer Mode Knob and Selecting the Small Up/Down Zigzag changes sequencer resolution to Quarter Notes , the long Z changes it to Eighth Notes and back N forth one sets it to sixteenth notes , (select choice the press power button to save, and sq1 will reboot with new settings)

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  5 лет назад +1

      Steven McDougall . That is correct and is described in the manual/FAQ site. For things NOT described in the manual or FAQ site, check out my other video on Undocumented features.

    • @adventureswithsteve2981
      @adventureswithsteve2981 5 лет назад

      loving it so far , been playing with it for about 6 hrs with my volka keys with an empty pattern on the keys {to stop volca playing its sequence :) } well thats until my 64pixels midi hub comes so i can filter the start CC out

    • @SynthOSphere
      @SynthOSphere 5 лет назад

      @@adventureswithsteve2981 What 64bits MIDI Hub did you end up getting?

    • @adventureswithsteve2981
      @adventureswithsteve2981 5 лет назад

      @@SynthOSphere www.tindie.com/products/hotchk155/midihub-6-way-midi-thru-and-metronome-module/

  • @psmaulehlien
    @psmaulehlien 3 года назад +1

    Very cool.

  • @storerestore
    @storerestore 4 года назад +7

    The relationship between the part lengths and the total sequence length is that the sequence length is the least common multiple (LCM) of part lengths. So from the set of e.g. multiples of 3 (3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18...) and multiples of 5 (5, 10, 15, 20, 25...) find the lowest number that exists in both sets. This is useful to know if you add another pair of sequencers into the mix and would have to draw the table in four dimensions!. All the other common multiples can be found once you have the least common multiple-they're all multiples of the LCM. Useful generally with polymetric music to figure out at which points your sequences align.

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  4 года назад +1

      You are correct. I made another tutorial making long sequences where I discuss the LCM at length. ruclips.net/video/JqpCqJ-XjCg/видео.html

    • @MarcoPolux
      @MarcoPolux 2 года назад

      @@mikeolson7588 ​ I've found out that this @storerestore is saying is untrue, at least for this Korg Q-1. What @Storerestore say's, it does not apply to all the table (check for instance 6 and 8, the least common multiple is 2, so by @storerestore's algorythm then the answer would be 12 or 16, and the correct one is 24)
      By observing your table I've found out that this next 5 rules applies to the whole table except to number 6, and it seems that because 6 it is the only pair number that won't fit in 8 steps)
      1- The first 8 steps are direct multiplication. (e.g 8 and 1 = 8 steps)
      2- For the whole matrix, equal steps in both are the direct number (e.g. 5 and 5 = 5 steps)
      3- When there are 2 pair numbers, just take the major one. (e.g. 4 amd 8 = 8 steps)
      4- When pair and odd numbers, multiply them (e.g. 7 and 8 = 42)
      5- All this applies to everything with the exception of 6-4 and 6-8, in which it seems that you divide 6 in triplets, so it is 3 which multiplies the other number......
      Please, check this with if you have more sequencers, I would really like to know if this applies to those bigger arrays 🤓

    • @storerestore
      @storerestore Год назад

      ​@@MarcoPolux For 6 and 8, according my algorithm, you'd check for the first number that exists in both sets of multiples (6, 12, 18, 24, ...) and (8, 16, 24, ...), giving 24 which is indeed the least common multiple. You can very easily determine that LCM(6, 8) is not 2 because it exists in neither set.

  • @panicrev555
    @panicrev555 5 месяцев назад +2

    Were manual writers on strike when Korg put out the SQ-1? lol! What a rabbit hole you've discovered.

  • @flourfree2K
    @flourfree2K 6 лет назад +5

    "... By ADDING the CVA and CVB signals from the SQ-1 in the VCO, you will be able to take advantage of Channel A and Channel B sequences of different lengths...." You actually mean "MIXING the CVA and CVB signals". Therefore, even if your VCO doesn't have more than 1V/Oct inputs, you can simply add a Linear (CV) Mixer in between (well, most mixers nowadays can sum both linear or exponential signals). This clarification is needed, to prevent users from using MULTs to connect 2 outputs to an input, which is never a good idea. Super-Like this extra-cool find.

    • @logain5
      @logain5 5 лет назад

      thanks i almost did that...

  • @garywallace1938
    @garywallace1938 3 года назад

    Analogue magic!

  • @marcochaiwallah811
    @marcochaiwallah811 3 года назад

    thk u for the helpful info !!!
    do you know if it is possible to cv chain 2 or more sq1 s for longer step sequences (2x16, 3x16 steps...) ???

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  3 года назад +1

      Not that I know of. Some folks are using external logic boxes to accomplish something like that. You may want to look at something like the SQ-64. I’ve had my eye on that one.

  • @GullySyde28
    @GullySyde28 10 дней назад

    Korg❤

  • @mariusrbech573
    @mariusrbech573 6 лет назад +1

    Very interesting! So if i understand it correctly, this is based on that the oscillator is getting two different cv signals? How would this work in the eurorack domain? send the cv to a mixer and then from the mixer to the oscillator?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  6 лет назад +4

      Marius Røbech Yes, the oscillator is getting two CV’s and adding them. You can also do the adding with a mixer if your VCO only has one CV input.

    • @mariusrbech573
      @mariusrbech573 6 лет назад

      Thanks! This is really nice! :)

    • @ScottofOakland
      @ScottofOakland 6 лет назад

      You could do this with a mult as well, yes?

    • @flourfree2K
      @flourfree2K 6 лет назад

      NO!! NEVER let 2 outputs in contact!!!! You seriously risk to burn a module (precisely, the one with the less powerful output). Anyway, the Doepfer A-110-1 (Standard VCO) does have 2 CV inputs (and also 2 PWM CV inputs and a Sync CV).

  • @jonathanjungjohansen6470
    @jonathanjungjohansen6470 4 года назад

    Is this possible using midi OUT and parelel, or is it only possible if the recieving synthesizer can take 2xCV?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  4 года назад

      The MIDI outputs are on two different channels. You would need to be able to do some MIDI math to add MIDI note numbers from the two channels and then transmit them back on one channel. I have never tried to do this and I’m not sure how I would go about it. Perhaps using the MIDI tools in Logic X you could do something like this. As an alternative if you can convert each channel MIDI notes to a CV and then add the CV’s together, you could achieve this. But, if you could add CV’s you wouldn’t need the MIDI data in the first place.

  • @lordzombie
    @lordzombie 4 года назад

    Great stuff! When summing those frequencies is it still in ‘c’ ?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  4 года назад

      Since the synthesizer is using VCO’s that are 1V/oct, you will get a C for 0,1,2,3,4,5.... volts. And since the VCO has multiple inputs you can transpose everything with the keyboard.

  • @bigdebbie6265
    @bigdebbie6265 Год назад +1

    Does any one know if you could do this with MS 20? And how? (I'm still new to modular and Korg MS 20 patch bay is pretty confusing). Thank you!

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  Год назад +3

      I have not tried this with the MS-20, though I do have an original one. The MS-20 has three locations in the patch bay that can be used to control VCO Frequency: “VCO 1+2 CV IN”, “Total”, “Freq”. The last two have intensity knobs under the FREQUENCY MODULATION knobs “MG/T.EXT” and “EG1/EXT”. To try this out I would run CVA from the SQ-1 into the “VCO 1+2 CV IN” and then CVB from the SQ-1 into the “FREQ” jack. Turn the “EG1/EXT” knob all the way and experiment to see what you get. For the original MS-20 the frequency control is Hz/Volt (not V/OCT) so you have to turn on the SQ-1 and hold a particular button combination to put it into Hz/Volt mode. The ‘manual’ describes how to do that.

  • @iqi616
    @iqi616 5 лет назад

    Cool

  • @Johnsormani
    @Johnsormani 5 лет назад +3

    H, I see an ESQ-1 here ;-) . Sweet!. SQ1 makes a great filter modulator for the ESQ1.

    • @rachelar
      @rachelar Год назад

      And it was yellow... (the buttons)

  • @jimkeen7674
    @jimkeen7674 6 лет назад

    Now I know why I need an Adder.

  • @teebeedahbow
    @teebeedahbow 2 года назад

    Ok. Great. But don't you need an VCO with two CV inputs? Or will you get the same effect if you mix two CV signals?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  2 года назад

      I used an oscillator that actually has 3, 1V/oct inputs. You can use a mixer as long as the mixer doesn’t attenuate the signal. In other words, if you put in two signals each of 2V, then exactly 4V has to come out. A ‘lossy’ mixer might put out 3.8V and then tuning will be off. You can verify this for yourself with your gear.

    • @teebeedahbow
      @teebeedahbow 2 года назад

      @@mikeolson7588 Yes! I tried it with a Intelijel Quad VCA and it does work pretty well. Actually, attenuation with different curves can have quite interesting effects, if you're not after equally tempered intervals.

  • @glueball9511
    @glueball9511 Год назад

    is there a way to sum the 2 voltages without a module like your own?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  Год назад

      Great question. Not knowing what your gear is I cannot make a specific recommendation, but even a mixer is actually a voltage summer. If you have any modular equipment at all I’m sure there are plenty of utility modules that can perform this function. Many amplifiers with multiple DC inputs also sum voltages. From a technical perspective, to sum voltages accurately the input impedance of the summing circuit need to be high to prevent ‘pulling down’ the voltage outputs from the SQ-1 which would de-tune the summed CV’s.

  • @ScottofOakland
    @ScottofOakland 6 лет назад +1

    could you please post the table somewhere?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  6 лет назад +4

      facebook.com/groups/535035483341464/permalink/846241988887477/

  • @stephenshumaker8444
    @stephenshumaker8444 4 года назад

    Does this trick work with MIDI out as well, or only CV?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  4 года назад +1

      I don’t use MIDI from the SQ-1 myself. However, I do know that the two channels put data out on 2 different MIDI channels. By Default that is Channel 1 and Channel 2. In order for this to work with MIDI you would have to add the midi note numbers somehow. I think a DAW like Logic Pro X can do this with it’s MIDI math capabilities. I have never tried it myself so I can’t tell you exactly how to do it.

    • @stephenshumaker8444
      @stephenshumaker8444 4 года назад +1

      @@mikeolson7588 Thanks!

  • @PaulBoos
    @PaulBoos 6 лет назад

    Hi mike this is really cool... Do you have this table published? It sounds like you do..?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  6 лет назад +2

      Hi Paul, yes the table is published. If you look down in the comments, there is a link to the table in the SQ-1 Facebook Group. If that doesn’t work for you, I can send it to you separately. You can create the table yourself since mathematically, the sequence length is the Least Common Multiple (LCM) of A and B. This is helpful to know if you use other sequencers with more stages, or if you combine multiple sequencers.

    • @PaulBoos
      @PaulBoos 6 лет назад

      Mike Olson thanks! I'm not on Facebook. I'll see if I can see it, if I can't drop another reply here...

    • @PaulBoos
      @PaulBoos 6 лет назад

      Mike Olson thanks I was able to see the table... So if a synth only had a single input to its VCO, could you just merge the two signals? Or would an AND logic gate of the trick?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  6 лет назад

      Paul Boos it depends on the synth. Anything that can add two voltages will work. In many systems, a mixer will do this. In some systems an amplifier with 2 inputs will do it. Just combining the two outputs by shorting them together may be a problem and possibly damage the system, so I don’t recommend that unless you know it will work. I don’t know what happens if your short the two SQ-1 channel outputs together and I don’t want to try that!

    • @PaulBoos
      @PaulBoos 6 лет назад

      Mike Olson thanks... I'm just learning this modular stuff with a semi-modular (plankton electronics ants!). Do what are the two inputs on your VCO doing on the way to actually triggering it?

  • @lordvonzipstor5304
    @lordvonzipstor5304 Год назад

    Haha very funny man :)

  • @lilakmonoke982
    @lilakmonoke982 4 года назад +3

    Yep, Dr. Olson. You have just discovered polyrhythms and if you ran it really fast, harmonics.

  • @petercane6376
    @petercane6376 3 года назад

    So do you think the sq1 is a good sequencer?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  3 года назад

      I do, especially for the money. Since I use mine exclusively with analog gear, it is a very good fit. You have probably noticed a recent explosion of new sequencers on the market. Korg has introduced yet another sequencer as well. There are many good choices with a wide variety of capabilities and prices to fit pretty much anyone’s needs.

    • @petercane6376
      @petercane6376 3 года назад

      Thank you Mike for your prompt reply.
      There are so many things in the market now it gets hard to choose.
      I just wanted varification.
      My Sq1 came in the post today.
      I bought it second hand and it hasnt got a mark in it.
      It all lights up and blinks etc etc.
      I look forward to using it.
      It seems to be easy to operate.
      I was blown away on discovering each sequenced note pitch can be changed.
      It is very solidly built and FEELS good.
      Thank you for putting my mind at rest.
      I need to work out how to use 8 and 16 sequences before I advance to 56.
      Biw Wow
      You are very clever.

  • @trippypages7309
    @trippypages7309 11 месяцев назад

    👍👍🏻👍🏼👍🏽👍🏾👍🏿

  • @ispeaktrees3692
    @ispeaktrees3692 3 года назад

    Supet handy

  • @epicon6
    @epicon6 5 лет назад +1

    Modular synthesizers are the best!!!!!

  • @jakelee6107
    @jakelee6107 6 лет назад +1

    Nice, but i guess you cant play rests with this mode?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  6 лет назад +3

      Hi jake. Great question. You can still create rests by turning off the GATE for a step. In my example, I'm only using the CHAN A GATE output, so rests would happen based only on the settings of the CHAN A GATE switches. What is interesting though, is that when the SQ-1 GATE is off, the CV OUT for that channel is HELD at the PREVIOUS step voltage until the next gate that is ON. As a result, with my technique of adding the two CV voltages together, the note that you get during a rest (Gate OFF) is different than the note you get when there is no rest (Gate ON). You won't hear this unless your synth patch has a non-zero release time. If you have the SQ-1 you can experiment with this and it is quite fun, giving you yet another way to make long sequences more interesting.

    • @jakelee6107
      @jakelee6107 4 года назад

      @@mikeolson7588 Thanks for the detailed reply

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  4 года назад +1

      Jake Lee , in the mean time I made another video for the SQ-1 called undocumented features that details how to make rests among many other things.

  • @RonaldFigura
    @RonaldFigura 5 лет назад

    I have the SQ-1, a Behringer Model D and a Neutron. I'm feeling like I have enough hardware to do this. I think the summing thing is the secret sauce?

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  5 лет назад

      Yes, the summing of the two channels from the SQ-1 is the key to making this work. In my example, the VCO has multiple 1V/Oct inputs that are summed together. However, you can also sum using a mixer, or even an amplifier that has two inputs and is DC coupled.

    • @RonaldFigura
      @RonaldFigura 5 лет назад

      @@mikeolson7588 The Behringer neutron has summing Inputs and outputs on its patch Bay. I will research. Thanks.

    • @RonaldFigura
      @RonaldFigura 5 лет назад

      No dice. Unless I'm using the summing circuit wrong. The are 2 inputs and a single output. Manual doesn't do much to explain the patch points.

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  5 лет назад

      Ronald Figura , I took a quick look at the Neutron manual. It looks like running the CVA into SUM1A and CVB into SUM1B would be the way to go. Then run Sum1 Out to OSC1 CV IN. You can run to just one or both oscillators. Since I don’t have the synth, I can’t try this myself.

    • @RonaldFigura
      @RonaldFigura 5 лет назад

      @@mikeolson7588 did that. Tried running the 56 note sequence. Seemed a bit short.

  • @echoglyph
    @echoglyph Год назад +1

    Excellent tip. Opens up some fun possibilities. Employed this technique here: ruclips.net/video/bxYeuG_j-Ac/видео.html
    (Note the 56-step sequence that comes in about half-way through the track.) Thanks for sharing your SQ-1 knowledge with the world!

  • @HazeAnderson
    @HazeAnderson 5 лет назад +2

    These are called polymeters, by the way.

  • @Johnsormani
    @Johnsormani 5 лет назад

    oh no Mirage sorry :-)

  • @DetroitMicroSound
    @DetroitMicroSound 4 года назад

    too bad the SQ's MIDI is completely lame.

    • @mikeolson7588
      @mikeolson7588  4 года назад

      DetroitMicroSound luckily for me, I don’t use the MIDI capability in my application.

  • @jayarava
    @jayarava 5 лет назад

    Great idea, but man the video quality is seizure inducingly bad. Get a f'ing tripod dude or switch off the autofocus.