Thanks man, quick, informative, concise... EXACTLY the video/explanation I was looking for. I’ll def come back when I’ve got more time and check out some more vids
Love the Ormsby. I just spent 6 hours playing my Ormsby straight, and I came to watch some videos after, seen your video and thought that was an Ormsby. Good Video. Love that SX.
Thanks! I just saw a cool Ormsby the other day that changed colors depending on what angle you were looking at it from. They definitely have some creative build ideas.
The fun thing about fanned frets is that you have Short Treble Strings that feel bouncy & Long Bass Strings that have that extra tension needed for that extra Clarity. They also give you the illusion of how a Piano (or even so a Harp) is designed with the Short Trebles & Long Basses. This is also a Reason 13 Course Baroque lutes have a Bass Rider on the 2 Lowest Courses, to give the Bass end more clarity.
Thanks for a good video and great explanation. I get really tired of trying to research a topic and getting people who act like goofs trying to be funny and most are not. Don't get me wrong I like to have as much fun as anyone but you tube is flooded with it. So I wanted a good, informative video on what exactly a multiscale guitar was and you gave it to me. I also appreciated the fact that every other word you were speaking wasn't "UH" or "Mmm". Thank
Fanned frets are highly recommended when you start adding on more & more Strings especially for kids who wanna play them cause the tension will be just right across every single string & also give them the illusion of a Piano cause when they go from Piano to extended range Guitar, it'll sound & feel more familiar.
This is super informative and really cool. I like to say, right tool for the job. If you are doing jazzy bar chords. A 7 string might not be the right instrument
Did you know that Extended range Guitars have alot of the same advantages of Extended range Basses? Extended range Basses (all extended range string instruments that have fingerboards or sometimes fret boards if they're fretted) would benefit from Fanned frets. The additional Strings on Extended range Guitars (Both lower & higher) give you a more playable range opening your mind up to lots of repertoire written for other instruments. The additional strings also make it easier to transpose so you can match the ranges of other instruments & Vocalists especially on Church Gigs. These extended range Guitars also add a bit of Rock n Roll to your Church Gigs making the Choir & Congregation go into Rock mode.
Music With Marky The fun thing about Fanned frets is that it balances out the tension, and also with extended range Guitars with all the way up to 9 (or more) strings, it'll stay more in tune.
@@MusicWithMarky There are 10 String Guitars with a Low G# added (etc, same for Basses) & again Fanned frets is highly recommended once you Start adding on more & more strings to balance out the tension. As a matter of fact Cigar Box Guitars with 10 (or even more) Single Strings would benefit from Fanned frets.
Thank you for the simple explanation. I found a 7 string fan fret guitar I liked the look of, but as Im not so great woth scales yet on a normal guitar I was curious if going back and forth would mess me up while trying to learn them. I feel it may be okay for me now thou. I appreciate it. Hope your staying safe out there. ✌😃 ✝ ❤
Keep practicing your scales. Get the fanned fret and practice on it too. It won't hurt anything to go back and forth. You will only get better with more practice.
Great review! Might wanna modify a fanned fretted guitar. Check my fretboard invention. It has grooves to allow FretCorner bends on ALL strings. Adds extra x notes to pulloffs creates strobe FX on slides as fingers drag over FretCorners and infinite sustain on vibrato plus new note jumps on bends as string reconnects at higher point. Kirk Hammett did it on master of puppets solo and many others on high string. Maybe I can hire you to do a review later this yr.
I had my first experience playing a seven string multi scale guitar yesterday. I didn’t really notice the difference in the scaling as he was describing in the video. The biggest thing I had trouble with with that seventh strain it’s going to be a learning curve.
@@MusicWithMarky yeah I’m probably not going to have one for a while. It also takes money. Something else I noticed is that it doesn’t matter if you’ve played five string bass. It still feels weird.
@@MusicWithMarky it was quite humorous actually. My friend handed me his seven and I thought OK I’ll just play a few chords and see how I do. I attempted to play c chord and got a G chord. Of course, you already know exactly what I did wrong lol I’ve been playing six string for a long time i’m really anxious to try out seven string
You can get the same effect by using graduated action on a standard guitar. For example, I play 6-string bass. My action is set B at 2.75mm, E at 2.5mm, A at 2.25mm, and the rest at 2mm. That's so I can play B standard tuned to 430. If I wanted to play Bb standard or A standard 440, it would start higher: at 3mm for Bb standard, and 3.5 or 4mm for A standard. All my strings play like butter; the fretting tension is relatively the same across the neck in all positions. The action on all the strings is just high enough to prevent fret buzz with light-touch playing (I still need some grind on the B and E strings for some stuff I play with distortion). Fanned frets are only necessary for extended range instruments where you have too many strings for graduated action to be practical. Most people who buy fanned fret guitars only do so because they think there's some rule that you have to adjust your action equally low for all strings, which can't work if you use drop standard tuning. They buy them under the false impression that a multi-scale neck is the only solution. Most guitar manufacturers use some sort of graduated action as the factory setting. That's because you can't get a playable instrument with the lowest string set high enough for fret clearance and the rest of the strings set at the same height. For example, the factory setup for all Ibanez basses is 2.5mm on the bass side and 2mm on the treble side. That's just for standard B or E tuning to 440.
@@darrylfranks6976 If you're tuning drop standard or to a lower reference pitch it doesn't feel high. I play just fine with graduated action. Scott from Scott's Bass Lessons uses graduated action; it doesn't affect his playing either. He made a video about it. You want the action just above the buzz point. That way you can play clean, but also get some buzz if you really pound the strings. Most basses come with graduated action as the factory setup. My Ibanez GSR206 came set up with the bass side strings at 2.5mm and the treble side strings at 2mm. I only made a minor adjustment by slightly raising the B string and slightly lowering the A. It plays better now, and the string volume is more even. I also play with the neck completely flat. It doesn't feel tight at all; it plays like butter.
hi Marky, can I have your advice on this fanfrets please? I always played 6 strings, have plently of them, some of them with 12-sized-strings in Drop C or even Drop D# so I like low tunings and playing stuff like Korn recently I tried 7 string in music shop and I'm thinking about buying some basic 7 string to try and check if I like it in the long term but fanfret for me its like adding one more variable to the formula, moreover i never had active pickups so I'm tninking it could be too much of the new stuff if I get: 7 string + actives + fanfret to be presice I consider very cheap option like Harley Benton R-457MN WH MultiScale and I plan to install Fishman Fluence Tosin Abasi Set 7 BK into it what would be your advice buy fanfret or regular in this case? Thanks in advance
The fan frets still feel completely normal after guitar a short while with the guitar, so I wouldn't be concerned about it being part of too many variables. I say go for it!
Music With Marky BTW fanned Frets are a really old idea because if you ever picked up a 16th Century Orpharion (Steel String Lute) you'll see right away that it has Fanned Frets.
I'm building a guitar right now and would like it to be multi-scale I was under the impression that it was for intonation I didn't realize that it was for playability
I can give you a for instance: I have a 7 string that I like to tune 1/2 step down and then with the lowest string to A (like Drop D but on a 7). With the longer scale length at the lower strings, they still have enough resistance to not feel "flubby" or cause fret buzz. And the high strings are still loose enough to be easy to play. On the non fanned 7 I have, it is barely playable like this.
@@MusicWithMarky Noooo wrong information on the net???? Yeah I thought all Gibson's had a scale length of 24 3/4" , it wasn't until just recently when I was looking at the '56-'60 Les Paul's that I saw they were slightly shorter, not that 3/16" is going to make a difference.
There's really no adapting that happens. It feels natural as a regular fretboard tbh. You can see a demo of the guitar I did at ruclips.net/video/otq98uyeHac/видео.html Thanks for checking it out!
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Thanks man, quick, informative, concise... EXACTLY the video/explanation I was looking for. I’ll def come back when I’ve got more time and check out some more vids
Sure thing! Thanks for checking it out.
thank you, strait to the point without stretching 5-minute story into 1 hour video)
Very nicely explained and edited, thanks.
Thanks!
Now that makes so much more sense! Thanks A LOT for explaining it so clearly!
Happy to help!
Love the Ormsby. I just spent 6 hours playing my Ormsby straight, and I came to watch some videos after, seen your video and thought that was an Ormsby. Good Video. Love that SX.
Thanks! I just saw a cool Ormsby the other day that changed colors depending on what angle you were looking at it from. They definitely have some creative build ideas.
@@MusicWithMarky yup, theyre amazing. My dream guitar now is a custom made one.
The fun thing about fanned frets is that you have Short Treble Strings that feel bouncy & Long Bass Strings that have that extra tension needed for that extra Clarity. They also give you the illusion of how a Piano (or even so a Harp) is designed with the Short Trebles & Long Basses. This is also a Reason 13 Course Baroque lutes have a Bass Rider on the 2 Lowest Courses, to give the Bass end more clarity.
This was a nice and quick explanation. Thank you!
Happy to help!
Great video! thanks for uploading this!!
Happy to help!
You explain things very well, thank you
Thanks!
Big Thanks!!! Just what I was looking.
Happy to help!!
Best explanation! Thanks!
Sure thing!
Thanks for a good video and great explanation. I get really tired of trying to research a topic and getting people who act like goofs trying to be funny and most are not. Don't get me wrong I like to have as much fun as anyone but you tube is flooded with it. So I wanted a good, informative video on what exactly a multiscale guitar was and you gave it to me. I also appreciated the fact that every other word you were speaking wasn't "UH" or "Mmm". Thank
So glad I could help!
Fanned frets are highly recommended when you start adding on more & more Strings especially for kids who wanna play them cause the tension will be just right across every single string & also give them the illusion of a Piano cause when they go from Piano to extended range Guitar, it'll sound & feel more familiar.
Thank you! Years ago it was just described to me at being more ergonomical. Everything you said makes perfect sense tho.
Happy to help!
This is super informative and really cool. I like to say, right tool for the job. If you are doing jazzy bar chords. A 7 string might not be the right instrument
Thanks and good point!
Did you know that Extended range Guitars have alot of the same advantages of Extended range Basses? Extended range Basses (all extended range string instruments that have fingerboards or sometimes fret boards if they're fretted) would benefit from Fanned frets. The additional Strings on Extended range Guitars (Both lower & higher) give you a more playable range opening your mind up to lots of repertoire written for other instruments. The additional strings also make it easier to transpose so you can match the ranges of other instruments & Vocalists especially on Church Gigs. These extended range Guitars also add a bit of Rock n Roll to your Church Gigs making the Choir & Congregation go into Rock mode.
Music With Marky The fun thing about Fanned frets is that it balances out the tension, and also with extended range Guitars with all the way up to 9 (or more) strings, it'll stay more in tune.
Agreed.
@@MusicWithMarky There are 10 String Guitars with a Low G# added (etc, same for Basses) & again Fanned frets is highly recommended once you Start adding on more & more strings to balance out the tension. As a matter of fact Cigar Box Guitars with 10 (or even more) Single Strings would benefit from Fanned frets.
Interesting... Thanks!
Sure thing!
Thank you for the simple explanation. I found a 7 string fan fret guitar I liked the look of, but as Im not so great woth scales yet on a normal guitar I was curious if going back and forth would mess me up while trying to learn them.
I feel it may be okay for me now thou.
I appreciate it.
Hope your staying safe out there.
✌😃 ✝ ❤
Oh yeah you should have no problem. Best of luck!
Keep practicing your scales. Get the fanned fret and practice on it too. It won't hurt anything to go back and forth. You will only get better with more practice.
Concise! ^_^
Thanks!
Sure thing!
Great review! Might wanna modify a fanned fretted guitar. Check my fretboard invention. It has grooves to allow FretCorner bends on ALL strings. Adds extra x notes to pulloffs creates strobe FX on slides as fingers drag over FretCorners and infinite sustain on vibrato plus new note jumps on bends as string reconnects at higher point.
Kirk Hammett did it on master of puppets solo and many others on high string. Maybe I can hire you to do a review later this yr.
It's an interesting concept you have there. I'd certainly be willing to take a look.
I had my first experience playing a seven string multi scale guitar yesterday. I didn’t really notice the difference in the scaling as he was describing in the video. The biggest thing I had trouble with with that seventh strain it’s going to be a learning curve.
It definitely takes a while to adjust to having that extra low string! If I don't play one for a while, it still throws me.
@@MusicWithMarky yeah I’m probably not going to have one for a while. It also takes money. Something else I noticed is that it doesn’t matter if you’ve played five string bass. It still feels weird.
@JohnCrawfordSchoolOfMusic That's true too!
@@MusicWithMarky it was quite humorous actually. My friend handed me his seven and I thought OK I’ll just play a few chords and see how I do. I attempted to play c chord and got a G chord.
Of course, you already know exactly what I did wrong lol I’ve been playing six string for a long time i’m really anxious to try out seven string
You can get the same effect by using graduated action on a standard guitar. For example, I play 6-string bass. My action is set B at 2.75mm, E at 2.5mm, A at 2.25mm, and the rest at 2mm. That's so I can play B standard tuned to 430. If I wanted to play Bb standard or A standard 440, it would start higher: at 3mm for Bb standard, and 3.5 or 4mm for A standard.
All my strings play like butter; the fretting tension is relatively the same across the neck in all positions. The action on all the strings is just high enough to prevent fret buzz with light-touch playing (I still need some grind on the B and E strings for some stuff I play with distortion).
Fanned frets are only necessary for extended range instruments where you have too many strings for graduated action to be practical. Most people who buy fanned fret guitars only do so because they think there's some rule that you have to adjust your action equally low for all strings, which can't work if you use drop standard tuning. They buy them under the false impression that a multi-scale neck is the only solution.
Most guitar manufacturers use some sort of graduated action as the factory setting. That's because you can't get a playable instrument with the lowest string set high enough for fret clearance and the rest of the strings set at the same height. For example, the factory setup for all Ibanez basses is 2.5mm on the bass side and 2mm on the treble side. That's just for standard B or E tuning to 440.
Interesting stuff. I never thought of that approach. Thanks for sharing.
But nobody wants high action!
@@darrylfranks6976 If you're tuning drop standard or to a lower reference pitch it doesn't feel high. I play just fine with graduated action. Scott from Scott's Bass Lessons uses graduated action; it doesn't affect his playing either. He made a video about it. You want the action just above the buzz point. That way you can play clean, but also get some buzz if you really pound the strings.
Most basses come with graduated action as the factory setup. My Ibanez GSR206 came set up with the bass side strings at 2.5mm and the treble side strings at 2mm. I only made a minor adjustment by slightly raising the B string and slightly lowering the A. It plays better now, and the string volume is more even. I also play with the neck completely flat. It doesn't feel tight at all; it plays like butter.
hi Marky, can I have your advice on this fanfrets please?
I always played 6 strings, have plently of them, some of them with 12-sized-strings in Drop C or even Drop D# so I like low tunings and playing stuff like Korn
recently I tried 7 string in music shop and I'm thinking about buying some basic 7 string to try and check if I like it in the long term
but fanfret for me its like adding one more variable to the formula, moreover i never had active pickups so I'm tninking it could be too much of the new stuff if I get: 7 string + actives + fanfret
to be presice I consider very cheap option like Harley Benton R-457MN WH MultiScale and I plan to install Fishman Fluence Tosin Abasi Set 7 BK into it
what would be your advice buy fanfret or regular in this case?
Thanks in advance
The fan frets still feel completely normal after guitar a short while with the guitar, so I wouldn't be concerned about it being part of too many variables. I say go for it!
@@MusicWithMarky true, I got fanfret and i like it very much, thanks for advice!
Happy to hear that!
Music With Marky BTW fanned Frets are a really old idea because if you ever picked up a 16th Century Orpharion (Steel String Lute) you'll see right away that it has Fanned Frets.
Oh that is cool I had no idea!
@@MusicWithMarky It's a very old idea from the 16th Century
I'm building a guitar right now and would like it to be multi-scale I was under the impression that it was for intonation I didn't realize that it was for playability
It can matter to intonation to an extent, but that is more the realm of the true-temperament frets type thing.
Are any of your fanned fret guitars tunable to e or eb standard?
Absolutely. I have done both. I have a six string fan fret that is e flat and several seven strings that are standard tuning.
I wonder if there's a Flamenco Guitar with fanned fret board. Can this be applied to a nylon string classical guitar.
I have seen nylons with fan frets so it does definitely apply.
How does the fanned fretboard affect natural harmonics? Does it make them more difficult to find?
I haven't found it to be more difficult. You still line up over the fret wire for best results.
@@MusicWithMarky Thanks a lot for your response!
Good information... thanks, however I still don't really understand what the advantage is to the player...
I can give you a for instance: I have a 7 string that I like to tune 1/2 step down and then with the lowest string to A (like Drop D but on a 7). With the longer scale length at the lower strings, they still have enough resistance to not feel "flubby" or cause fret buzz. And the high strings are still loose enough to be easy to play. On the non fanned 7 I have, it is barely playable like this.
SO Fanned fret is all about the scale difference? I thought it was frets that were almost flat like a fretless!
Nope it's the scale. :)
Is it possible to place a capo on those?
Absolutely. The frets are always wide enough to fit a capo going across them even if they are angular.
Old Les Paul's had a scale length of 24 9/16"- 24 5/8"
I haven't ever owned one. I think I was going off a wiki article, which you know are always accurate! Lol
@@MusicWithMarky Noooo wrong information on the net???? Yeah I thought all Gibson's had a scale length of 24 3/4" , it wasn't until just recently when I was looking at the '56-'60 Les Paul's that I saw they were slightly shorter, not that 3/16" is going to make a difference.
@@dickdastardly2560 I appreciate the info, though!
I wanted to hear the guitar. And see how your fingers adapt.
There's really no adapting that happens. It feels natural as a regular fretboard tbh. You can see a demo of the guitar I did at ruclips.net/video/otq98uyeHac/видео.html
Thanks for checking it out!
he looks so much like Jack Owen (ex-cannibal corpse). I thought it was him lol
Shorter the scale the softer the string tension...........
Exactly.
That is exactly what he said
what the heck is a fretless fan fret guitar?
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