Trey what pickups were in that X type 8 string in ordering one right now and want to get the ones you’re using here. Also been considering trading in my 6505+ for an ENGL savage 120 mkii so thanks for playing my favorite dream gear hahah it’s for space death metal
Gotta be honest, think my favourite part of this video - aside from the sheer informative nature of a type of guitar I’d previously completely overlooked - was referring to them as “upsides and challenges”, rather than “pros and cons”. Feels a lot more fair, and open-minded than the typical stuff I tend to see, insofar as folks going on about what is great and what is trash about a certain something. Love the positivity!
Thanks, I just make sure to try to look at things objectively if I can, and when you do that, you can see a lot of things as just either personal preference choices or stylistic differences, then you just have to present them as such - makes it a lot easier to be happy.
You crazy millennials with your crazy fanned fret guitars. Back in my day we could only have Sears and Roebuck parlor guitars with cable strings and your fingers bled every time we played. Back then we had calluses on our fingers and tendinitis in our wrists and we loved it and we played outside in the snow and freezing rain.
we ate ergot in-the-raw, screaming to the skies we drank moonshine (akak 'liquid courage') as we were skateboarding in dirty dried-up swimming pools with no helmet because helmets hadn't even been thought of while chain-smoking cloves all night. now y'all hook-up on molly while goin' OONTZ OONTZ on your lil' iPods and u act it's like "oh-oh- Oohh! this is the best EVAR hur-dee-dur!!!' and shit. lulz.
57 yr old Boomer here and I love my Kiesel OM8 with Fishmans. One thing that was initially difficult for me was Flamenco style riffing on the open Am chord shape with the angle of the first fret. I got used to it eventually, but it took a few weeks because I had to also play a regular 6 string for a band and couldn't play the multi-scale exclusively. The best way to get used to an axe like this is to play it exclusively for a few weeks. Then you'll love it.
@@treyxaviermusic Most people I have given my multiscales to didnt immediately notice there was anything different, even after playing for a few minutes until I pointed it out. On both my old ormsby 7 and osiris 6.
diabloman I’m looking for a new guitar. I’m coming from a normal non-fanned fret guitar. The fanned fret design has always caught my eye. Would you recommend a Keisel or ormsby for my first fanned fret?
@@aymericmarchand3472 RGIM7MH, got it used for 450. Wanted to try out a MS for cheap. I dont like how they did the nut but it plays fine. the fans arent crazy angled so its was an easy adjustment. I have a couple KM7s and solars which I LOVE that I mainly play so it doesnt get much attention.
You've done a very good job of explaining the upsides and challenges (best way of putting it too) of the multiscale guitar beyond 6 strings. I'm 55 years old and have been a luthier for nearly 35 years. I applaud anyone pushing the boundaries of instrument design and daring to break with tradition. As long as it's still a stringed instrument it's all good in my opinion. If you think there are some stubborn people stuck in tradition when it comes to electric guitars, you ought to see how sensitive and argumentative people get when it comes to classical guitar design!
I'm listening on headphones and I have to keep adjusting my volume because the difference in volume between your guitar playing and your speaking is so vast.
I bought my first multiscale guitar having never played one previously and it took no adjustment whatsoever. I picked it up and played fine and all of my friends had the same results.
My first multiscale was a VM8 from Kiesel (Vader 8 string multiscale). The time it took to get used to it was a couple riffs. That's all. It's not hard to adjust to.
I finally got one this year, took 30 mins to get used to and it made my playing so much cleaner when I hold chords. It's much more noticeable when you play the high end and the low end feels more tied together than any other guitar I've had
this very thing you said here was also my experience. bar chords on high distortion sound waaay better than on my old 6 string Deanie. even though the dean has better pickups
@@kiillabytez you're one of these guys who sits and doesnt practise but complains when he doesnt get better. Multiscale is nowhere near a fad at this point, nor is it more expensive. Just bro's like you who still think Metallica is difficult too scared to push the boundaries
Have you played a multiscale guitar before? What do you think? Speaking of guitar scales - you can learn every scale on the guitar in 60 minutes with my course for scales on the guitar here: bit.ly/MULTISCALE
ive been playing for 35 years. i started when i was 14 years old. no ive never played a fanned fret guitar before but they really look cool to me. i appreciate the offer but im pretty advanced at my scales. im just 49 years old now and lazy. im a christian guy who wants to make metal for Jesus now. im sure i will get many rude comments from many people for saying i am christian but its ok. i like the way you sing and play the guitar by the way. i enjoy your channel. peace brother.
My dream guitar can't exist yet :( - 7 string multiscale, with Evertune trem and True Temperment frets plus Fishman Killswitch Engage pickups. Apparently not possible yet - even with custom guitars. But, tried a multiscale on a Strandberg and loved it! Just felt right. (Unfortunately their necks are too fat and had to return). BTW - great course! Bought it a few weeks ago, and totally enlightening and helpful
I've played guitar since I was 11 (1984 or so). I got my first Kiesel Multiscale Vader 7 string a couple years ago and it took me like 5 minutes to get used to it. Most of the "getting used to" revolved around tapping since that felt a bit different. I've been hooked ever since.
I bought a Cort 7 string with fanned frets and boy, was I surprised at how easy it was to play with those fans. Unfortunately, after playing it exclusively fir six months, I couldn't get used to the seventh string. So now I've bought a six string baryton instead, and am currently saving up for a six stringed Ormsby custom Tuxedo with fanfrets. It seemed to me, that the angling of the frets was super ergonomic, making full chords much easier to play and off course it's easy to hear and feel the consistent tension and intonation of the guitar.
In the process of deciding if it's something I want to explore. I'll admit, I love anything that presents a challenge. Chances are change will be sooner not later.
My first guitar is actually a multiscale 8 string. So it was kinda weird to get used to it but after almost a year of having it I'm finally super used to it.
Thanks for this video. I've had my 7 string multiscale guitar for 1.5 days now and I totally feel the adjustment period. I figured since I've not owned a 7 string yet either I might as well go all the way and go multiscale as well. I'm at a point now where if I'm not thinking too much about it, I don't really notice any negative issues, unless I look at the neck and confuse myself. It's a weird mix of using your instincts and muscle memory but at the same time you have to be mindful because your instincts want to make the low B your "default" position as you naturally want to reach for the "top" of the neck. I don't know if that explanation makes any sense, but overall I find it "easier" to play as long as I don't overthink it. I'd say the most noticeable difference to me is the fretboard width. The fanned frets are awesome, but I'm still adjusting to the way the neck feels. I didn't plan on buying it. I had been wanting to try one for months now and I just happened to find a shop near me that actually had a multiscale guitar in store that I could play. I immediate saw the potential but really couldn't commit at the time, but then I got a good deal as a matter of circumstances so, eh hem, [cough, cough] I HAD TO buy it. I have 11 electric guitars now. Only 9,999,999,989 or so left to acquire. You all know what I'm talking about. ;)
Custom pickups are also insanely expensive for multi scale. I contacted Seymour Duncan about getting nazgul and sentient voiced pick ups for my seven string multi scale Ibanez RG. The pick ups would have cost $450 plus tax and shipping. Compared to the $189 that the standard 7 string set costs at Sweetwater.
I'll keep this simple. I own a 27" 6 string baritone and a 25.5"/27.5" 7 string multi-scale. The multi-scale opens up more sonic possibilities. The hardest part about getting use to a multi-scale is the fret placement. Do Not Over Think It. Just close your eyes and let the journey begin...
This is a really great vid on multi-scale guitars. I am a bass player however I wanted to learn more about how multi-scale and fanned-fret systems work. Very in-depth. Thank you for posting!
Very good job on the vid! On note on string tension at the 2 min. mark. You can also alter string tension with changing the gauge of string. Gauge + scale + open tuned note = string tension.
Boomer here, playing a Kiesel Vader VM7. Drop A. Just saying. My previous 7 was a Squier Stratocaster 7 bought new in 97. REALLY glad to get that 7th string tighter, the Strat had major pitch wobble. Also have an 8 string cheap, an Agile. It's a 27 inch scale, so the 7th and 8th are great but 1st string .009 is pretty ping-y.
eh? i know he bought hundreds of RH models and turned them upside-down due to the selection of lefties being very small, but i never saw him play a lefty
I think I’m going to order one, in 8 string. I’ve been trying to decide between that and an Aristides headless 08 as well. Aristides is the same price but has better pickup options , also being made completely composite would make it almost completely resistant to breaking/warping/dents etc. The aesthetic options are wider on the Kiesels which may seem trivial but I honestly love feeling inspired by beautiful guitars. My main fanned Ibanez 7 string is all black on black on black, which is ok too. Which one do you think I should get? Aristides H08 or the Kiesel Type X 8???
been playing for 20 years and very very few people ever explain "Palm Placement" when it comes to palm muting. Imo its very crucial to getting that awesome metal tone..... Super Excellent video. New subscriber and proud Multiscale player here as well.
Thanks for this video, it was very helpful. I recently picked up my first 7 string and I'm glad I didn't go with the multiscale. I figured adding a whole string is enough of an adjustment. I love a real slinky guitar, I use 8's on my 6 strings, so I think the string tension advantage on the multiscale would be amazing, but I feel like I would have real problems adjusting to the fanned frets. I want one eventually though.
killer Djimi lick! I love my Ormsby multiscale Goliath 7. I moved up from a widdle baby 24" scale duo sonic and it wasn't as difficult as you might think.
I'm really sold on multi scales. I got the opportunity a few months back to try out a Ibanez 6 string multiscale at Mansons Guitars and it just flowed better than standard fret for me. Going from straight chuggy shred riffs to Eric Clapton gentler style it just felt comfy and not cramped like on standard frets.
Everybody has a different price range so saying that Kiesel are surprisingly NOT expensive (appearance options can make them super expensive) may not do much for you. I own a variety of mid/high end guitars and always kind of figured Kiesels must just be super expensive due to the custom angle, but it's not really the case. If you went to Ibanez USA custom or Jackson custom you'd need a 2nd mortgage or to cough up a child. Kiesel custom isn't even remotely close to that insanity price wise.
Great vid and sound advice. I jumped from standard 7 string to a fan fret 8 string. Took very little adjustment really, but as I have tiny paws I honestly don't think I would've found the transition as easy on a standard fret board. I dropped lucky on a B Stock Harley Benton 8 String and I love it. The issue with lack of pick up options is annoying as is the apparent price jump in up grading. There are some awesome multi scale guitars out there that are simply too expensive for a single parent living in middle England! I have played 7 string guitars for around 20 years now so the jump to my multiscale 8 wasn't very daunting and I'm glad I did. But, for someone new to extra strings I agree that you should definitely have a in depth try out before you buy. I have lost count of the amount of people who say "I bought one but sold it cos' It just wasn't working for me!"
I've never played one but I can imagine it's easier to bend...? You bend the string upwards and at the same time, because the fret is slightly diagonal, the point of contact between the string and fret gets a bit higher up the neck. So I suppose you'll bend into the note you want with less effort. Am I right?
The only thing that took time to adjust on for me was high notes above the 15th fret or so, I was a little thrown off there at first, but now it's second nature to me. Absolutely love my VM7
I get it especially on 7+ string guitars or even really low tuned 6's. One absolute no no for me is an aesthetic issue that happens to apply to this kiesel..... Flamed maple fretboards and multiscale don't mix. You have the maple flame lines and frets coming at each other in all different directions. It hurts.
Just picked up an Etherial Zatha 8. I traded in my first 8 a Schecter Damien Platinum for it and wow it makes a world of difference playing a multiscale. It's easier to play up high, less exhausting on my wrist, and definitely a different vibe altogether.
You damn kids with your Multiscale guitars and instagrams. Nice vid I don’t want to invest the cash into a new multi scale but would love to try one out.
I've played a few multi-scale guitars, and own a 5-string Ibanez multi-scale bass. The only issue/adjustment I had to consider was making sure the strings I like would work on it(they do).
I've always played 6 string guitars. I've only owned & played one 8 string. It was a Agile Interseptor multiscale. And I'm a lefty , alitttle more challenging. Finding certain things. The one thing that I was having alitttle trouble with. Was the string spacing. I ended up selling the guitar. It's been awhile , I'm kinda wanting to try another one. Not sure which one though.
Ben Johnson I feel you man, as a fellow lefty it’s difficult for us to try things because they’re less common and then we’re stuck with buying something blind or waiting for decades for something to come in used at a music store. Lol
@@silentwhisperstudios7808 I know. It's sad. Hahaha I'm in CA. Southpaw guitars has a good inventory, I've been there once, it was like a kid at recess. Hahah
I’ve recently been looking into buying a multi scale and I decided on the legator g7fp. I have a little bit of experience on a schecter multi scale and it felt great. The only thing that threw me off at first was sweeps above like the 15th fret but after a few minutes I was right at home.
My scalloped, fanned fret, 7 string, handmade strat-looking build(26.5 to 25.5) felt right at home from the very first time although i actually build it without having played fanned frets before(or 7 strings).Playing cowboy chords especially in the three first frets is a bit more difficult but apart from that its a joy to play and never really have any difficulty adjusting.Now all i have to do is getting used to the 7th string that i pretty much ignore every time i play that guitar😂😂😂.
I am still working on getting my indexing perfect on 7 when I switch back and forth between 6/7 string instruments (means I still hit the wrong string sometimes unless playing pieces that are composed on 7), the location or even absence of frets is not a challenge for me compared to that issue. I thought just intonation/even temperament was interesting, but since all the fingerings are roughly in the same locations as any other guitar if you are having trouble to look away from the fretboard andor watch your hands but in a mirror. Practicing watching your hands in the mirror is actually a stupid sick dead simple way to retrain your brain/neck to stop looking at your hands unless you really need to. And if you're playing in a bar, you are probably in front of a mirror then too. :-)
I bought a Schecter Reaper 7 multiscale and it sounds and feels fantastic. The only thing next on my list to buy is an amp head with a mesa cabinet but i still don't know wich amp would do the trick. For anyone wanting to try a cheap but good sounding multiscale guitar i recommend the Schecter reaper.
Watching this a few years after it was posted, I can comment more on aftermarket pickups. Seymour Duncan used to do custom multiscale pickups, but they won't do it any longer - they actually told me I should contact Bareknuckle. Bareknuckle and Lundgren will do it for a very small upcharge over the standard set price. I just ordered a set of Lundgren Black Heavens (both ceramic) with the angled backplate mount that fits my pickup cavities, and it was only $10 over the standard set price. They even sent me a PDF of the CAD layout of the angled backplate so I could make sure it was going to fit my guitar. But Trey is correct - your options are very limited. I was thinking of putting Fishman's in this guitar, but they just won't fit - not even the 9-string set is big enough for the cavities.
Tried a strandberg when I was in Scotland a while back. had no problems adapting at all. Could play everything right away quite naturally. I think a couple jazz chords go muddled on the lower frets at first. As you can see from my channel I am definitely not a pro musician nor a quick learner. Hopefully that should break through any trepidations for any weekend players.
To me, it is similar to the linear/offset key arrangement ergonomic keyboard thing. Different configurations work for different people. Multiscale definitely has a lot of technical advantages on 7 and 8 strings.
I went from 6 string to 8 string multiscale and I have gotten used to it under a week. I still don't play perfectly but I was never better on a 6 string. The only thing that is harder to do on a multiscale is pinch harmonics and palm muting chords. Other than that there is nothing different.
I have an LTD M 1008 multi scale. I couldn't imagine trying to play an 8 string any other way. It has a gentle fan angle, so I don't even really notice. I don't really see the point of a multi scale 6 string, unless maybe if it's a baritone. 7's can go either way, but I'd choose the fan fret every time. P.s. we need more videos about the intricacies of extended range guitars. How to get to best sound out of them, amps and pedals that work better for the low end crowd, speaker swaps(?), EQ options, etc.
I love the idea of multiscale guitars and I'm down to try them out. Right now I just need a guitar that's nice and crisp with a drop A tuning and Imma try out a multiscale. If I find out that it's not the right thing for me I can still buy a straight-scale baritone guitar
Used to play Drop C with 13s on a reg 6 string. I still thought it felt floppy sometimes. Now I am playing a 7 string MS with 11's in Drop G and Im sitting here thinking I need to try 10s. The bridge annoyed me at first when coming from a reg guitar. LEarning how to EQ the 7 string and tame its low end without losing tone took me some time. BUt over all, I don't think I could go back, unless it was just a super special guitar that spoke to me
Great timing on this video. I've been ignoring them but maybe I shouldn't. I will take a second look but I think the deal breaker is pickup selection. My 7 string 25.5 gets too flubby on the low A string. I'm going back to heavy bottom strings.
The normal 7 string is great. But if I want go down from B to A or E to D it would like to have a little bit more length. I tried to solve the situation with a little bit thicker strings on E and B. It’s okay because I play also bass.
I love my Stradberg 7 Black Pearl, only real complaint is the price. I sometimes think there might have been a better choice than the Fishmans, other times they sound great.
My songwriting course is finally HERE: bit.ly/SONGWRITINGCOURSE
Trey what pickups were in that X type 8 string in ordering one right now and want to get the ones you’re using here. Also been considering trading in my 6505+ for an ENGL savage 120 mkii so thanks for playing my favorite dream gear hahah it’s for space death metal
Any chances of a video volume matching course you can take? 😂 Just teasing man.
1:11 The Advantages of Multiscale
6:39 The Challenges of Multiscale
Gotta be honest, think my favourite part of this video - aside from the sheer informative nature of a type of guitar I’d previously completely overlooked - was referring to them as “upsides and challenges”, rather than “pros and cons”. Feels a lot more fair, and open-minded than the typical stuff I tend to see, insofar as folks going on about what is great and what is trash about a certain something. Love the positivity!
Thanks, I just make sure to try to look at things objectively if I can, and when you do that, you can see a lot of things as just either personal preference choices or stylistic differences, then you just have to present them as such - makes it a lot easier to be happy.
You crazy millennials with your crazy fanned fret guitars. Back in my day we could only have Sears and Roebuck parlor guitars with cable strings and your fingers bled every time we played. Back then we had calluses on our fingers and tendinitis in our wrists and we loved it and we played outside in the snow and freezing rain.
Ok boomer
Haha
Ppl say the same shit about pedals, and at one time even electrics.
****WHOOOSH****
we ate ergot in-the-raw,
screaming to the skies
we drank moonshine (akak 'liquid courage') as we were skateboarding in dirty dried-up swimming pools with no helmet
because helmets hadn't even been thought of
while chain-smoking cloves all night.
now y'all hook-up on molly while goin' OONTZ OONTZ on your lil' iPods and u act it's like "oh-oh- Oohh! this is the best EVAR hur-dee-dur!!!' and shit.
lulz.
57 yr old Boomer here and I love my Kiesel OM8 with Fishmans. One thing that was initially difficult for me was Flamenco style riffing on the open Am chord shape with the angle of the first fret. I got used to it eventually, but it took a few weeks because I had to also play a regular 6 string for a band and couldn't play the multi-scale exclusively. The best way to get used to an axe like this is to play it exclusively for a few weeks. Then you'll love it.
Boomer is more a state of mind IMO. I know some people in their 30s that are Boomers :P
The guitar is like 1 million times louder than your voice...
ikr. it got super annoying when I tried watching the video in the morning
@@IceGene Cursing exactly the same thing here. In the morning. Super annoying.
I'm watching it late at night and don't wanna wake anyone up. Turn it up just enough to hear his voice and suddenly DJ0NT
Amazing how good people are at editing RUclips videos and then become Helen Keller when it comes to the "normalize audio" feature
Lol
Easiest way that I got over adjusting to fan frets is to not look at it.
This is good advice
@@treyxaviermusic Most people I have given my multiscales to didnt immediately notice there was anything different, even after playing for a few minutes until I pointed it out. On both my old ormsby 7 and osiris 6.
Yea, same here
Randy Bergh 😅
diabloman I’m looking for a new guitar. I’m coming from a normal non-fanned fret guitar. The fanned fret design has always caught my eye. Would you recommend a Keisel or ormsby for my first fanned fret?
I gots me a multiscale ibby. Easy to play, took no time to adjust to.
Which model, an RG?(asking bc they have thousands of models)
@@aymericmarchand3472 RGIM7MH, got it used for 450. Wanted to try out a MS for cheap. I dont like how they did the nut but it plays fine. the fans arent crazy angled so its was an easy adjustment. I have a couple KM7s and solars which I LOVE that I mainly play so it doesnt get much attention.
You've done a very good job of explaining the upsides and challenges (best way of putting it too) of the multiscale guitar beyond 6 strings. I'm 55 years old and have been a luthier for nearly 35 years. I applaud anyone pushing the boundaries of instrument design and daring to break with tradition. As long as it's still a stringed instrument it's all good in my opinion. If you think there are some stubborn people stuck in tradition when it comes to electric guitars, you ought to see how sensitive and argumentative people get when it comes to classical guitar design!
I'm listening on headphones and I have to keep adjusting my volume because the difference in volume between your guitar playing and your speaking is so vast.
His iq lower than 3 or who did the editing which is not important
Trey, you're upping the game on these vids. Thank you for the content buddy.
I appreciate that my dude
One of the best explanations I've seen or read of multiscale guitars, their pros and their cons.
I bought my first multiscale guitar having never played one previously and it took no adjustment whatsoever. I picked it up and played fine and all of my friends had the same results.
Played a multi scale bass a couple of days ago and my god I fell in love with it straight away, I need a guitar one ASAP!
1.5 inch spread. That is pretty Djentle....
I'll see myself out.
"I'll C myself out"
As a bassist this video Gave me and my guitars a lot to think about, thank you for this
need a multiscale floyd rose for dive bombs and squeals
Strandberg and Keisel both have multiscale guitars with floating bridges
@@mitchell2719 Strandbergs have a pretty light fan, so they can get away with it. Never seen a multiscale Kiesel with a trem, though. What model?
mitchell2719 they don’t have the trem with multiscale guitars
Khaler makes multi Scale trems
There is an ormsby multiscale floyd rose
My first multiscale was a VM8 from Kiesel (Vader 8 string multiscale). The time it took to get used to it was a couple riffs. That's all. It's not hard to adjust to.
That kiesel looks like an explorer with 24 extra chromosomes
Wasnt there a (german?) Builder that has some really similar to that
That's a surprisingly accurate description
actually Carvin made a guitar with similar shape, my friend has one, I think?
I'm glad you described in words what I was thinking lol
Is that one of the downs of multi-scale?
I finally got one this year, took 30 mins to get used to and it made my playing so much cleaner when I hold chords. It's much more noticeable when you play the high end and the low end feels more tied together than any other guitar I've had
this very thing you said here was also my experience. bar chords on high distortion sound waaay better than on my old 6 string Deanie. even though the dean has better pickups
Well, it's great theat you've found a way to justify spending way too much for your guitar because of a fad that will never really catch on.
@@kiillabytez you're one of these guys who sits and doesnt practise but complains when he doesnt get better. Multiscale is nowhere near a fad at this point, nor is it more expensive. Just bro's like you who still think Metallica is difficult too scared to push the boundaries
Have you played a multiscale guitar before? What do you think?
Speaking of guitar scales - you can learn every scale on the guitar in 60 minutes with my course for scales on the guitar here: bit.ly/MULTISCALE
ive been playing for 35 years. i started when i was 14 years old. no ive never played a fanned fret guitar before but they really look cool to me. i appreciate the offer but im pretty advanced at my scales. im just 49 years old now and lazy. im a christian guy who wants to make metal for Jesus now. im sure i will get many rude comments from many people for saying i am christian but its ok. i like the way you sing and play the guitar by the way. i enjoy your channel. peace brother.
My dream guitar can't exist yet :( - 7 string multiscale, with Evertune trem and True Temperment frets plus Fishman Killswitch Engage pickups. Apparently not possible yet - even with custom guitars.
But, tried a multiscale on a Strandberg and loved it! Just felt right. (Unfortunately their necks are too fat and had to return).
BTW - great course! Bought it a few weeks ago, and totally enlightening and helpful
I've played guitar since I was 11 (1984 or so). I got my first Kiesel Multiscale Vader 7 string a couple years ago and it took me like 5 minutes to get used to it. Most of the "getting used to" revolved around tapping since that felt a bit different. I've been hooked ever since.
@@nokomisnichols Took me no time to get used to it.
I bought a Cort 7 string with fanned frets and boy, was I surprised at how easy it was to play with those fans. Unfortunately, after playing it exclusively fir six months, I couldn't get used to the seventh string. So now I've bought a six string baryton instead, and am currently saving up for a six stringed Ormsby custom Tuxedo with fanfrets.
It seemed to me, that the angling of the frets was super ergonomic, making full chords much easier to play and off course it's easy to hear and feel the consistent tension and intonation of the guitar.
I see you got the StevieT burst finish on your 8-string. Looks killer on a headless guitar.
In the process of deciding if it's something I want to explore. I'll admit, I love anything that presents a challenge. Chances are change will be sooner not later.
My first guitar is actually a multiscale 8 string.
So it was kinda weird to get used to it but after almost a year of having it I'm finally super used to it.
Thanks for this video. I've had my 7 string multiscale guitar for 1.5 days now and I totally feel the adjustment period. I figured since I've not owned a 7 string yet either I might as well go all the way and go multiscale as well. I'm at a point now where if I'm not thinking too much about it, I don't really notice any negative issues, unless I look at the neck and confuse myself. It's a weird mix of using your instincts and muscle memory but at the same time you have to be mindful because your instincts want to make the low B your "default" position as you naturally want to reach for the "top" of the neck. I don't know if that explanation makes any sense, but overall I find it "easier" to play as long as I don't overthink it. I'd say the most noticeable difference to me is the fretboard width. The fanned frets are awesome, but I'm still adjusting to the way the neck feels.
I didn't plan on buying it. I had been wanting to try one for months now and I just happened to find a shop near me that actually had a multiscale guitar in store that I could play. I immediate saw the potential but really couldn't commit at the time, but then I got a good deal as a matter of circumstances so, eh hem, [cough, cough] I HAD TO buy it. I have 11 electric guitars now. Only 9,999,999,989 or so left to acquire. You all know what I'm talking about. ;)
Came looking for answers, got way more. Straight to the point, no BS. Perfect video dude
Custom pickups are also insanely expensive for multi scale. I contacted Seymour Duncan about getting nazgul and sentient voiced pick ups for my seven string multi scale Ibanez RG. The pick ups would have cost $450 plus tax and shipping. Compared to the $189 that the standard 7 string set costs at Sweetwater.
I'll keep this simple.
I own a 27" 6 string baritone and a 25.5"/27.5" 7 string multi-scale.
The multi-scale opens up more sonic possibilities. The hardest part about getting use to a multi-scale is the fret placement. Do Not Over Think It. Just close your eyes and let the journey begin...
This is a really great vid on multi-scale guitars. I am a bass player however I wanted to learn more about how multi-scale and fanned-fret systems work. Very in-depth. Thank you for posting!
(PS: I'm a prog-boomer!)
Very good job on the vid! On note on string tension at the 2 min. mark. You can also alter string tension with changing the gauge of string. Gauge + scale + open tuned note = string tension.
Boomer here, playing a Kiesel Vader VM7. Drop A. Just saying. My previous 7 was a Squier Stratocaster 7 bought new in 97. REALLY glad to get that 7th string tighter, the Strat had major pitch wobble. Also have an 8 string cheap, an Agile. It's a 27 inch scale, so the 7th and 8th are great but 1st string .009 is pretty ping-y.
Jimi Hendrix actually used a left handed guitar for the tension advantages. So really, he would have loved multiscale
eh?
i know he bought hundreds of RH models and turned them upside-down due to the selection of lefties being very small,
but i never saw him play a lefty
That makes sense bc the lower strings would be longer if you strung a Strat upside down- never knew that!
This is a really weird 4yr old thread, and totally wrong
Love my multi scale 7 string Ibanez ♥️
Sometimes ya need to djent but that natural harmonics thing has to take some getting used to
That took me the most getting used to was harmonic placement
I'm finding this very interesting. Nice one fella! I've just made my Ibanez guitar a Drop G beast. Still looking into fan fret and multiscale
That Hendrix lick was brutal!! Sick!
I like the 6 string headless design. Just practical about the home, where space is a real problem. Have a IB SIX6 and looking for a Strandberg too,
Would reccomend. I love my strandberg so much that it makes all my other guitars feel inferior including my kiesel aries multiscale 7.
Sick video. This entire concept flew over my head until you explained it. Thank you!
So they made a headless version of the old X220, or at least I think that's the model name. Sweetness
Excellent and still completely relevant today..
Wow man this is such a great video, thanks for the info, I was interested on knowing more
Just came here to have an excuse to marvel at the Kiesel Type-X for 16 minutes. Such a gorgeous guitar.
I think I’m going to order one, in 8 string. I’ve been trying to decide between that and an Aristides headless 08 as well. Aristides is the same price but has better pickup options , also being made completely composite would make it almost completely resistant to breaking/warping/dents etc.
The aesthetic options are wider on the Kiesels which may seem trivial but I honestly love feeling inspired by beautiful guitars. My main fanned Ibanez 7 string is all black on black on black, which is ok too.
Which one do you think I should get? Aristides H08 or the Kiesel Type X 8???
been playing for 20 years and very very few people ever explain "Palm Placement" when it comes to palm muting. Imo its very crucial to getting that awesome metal tone..... Super Excellent video. New subscriber and proud Multiscale player here as well.
that bass on the wall looks gorgeous
Yeah that’s my JBM5, very sick bass
This was exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for this video, it was very helpful. I recently picked up my first 7 string and I'm glad I didn't go with the multiscale. I figured adding a whole string is enough of an adjustment. I love a real slinky guitar, I use 8's on my 6 strings, so I think the string tension advantage on the multiscale would be amazing, but I feel like I would have real problems adjusting to the fanned frets. I want one eventually though.
killer Djimi lick! I love my Ormsby multiscale Goliath 7. I moved up from a widdle baby 24" scale duo sonic and it wasn't as difficult as you might think.
These are the scalloped fretboards of the future
I made a stankface every time you played a note on that thing. Sounds god damn brutal 🤘👏
I'm really sold on multi scales. I got the opportunity a few months back to try out a Ibanez 6 string
multiscale at Mansons Guitars and it just flowed better than standard fret for me.
Going from straight chuggy shred riffs to Eric Clapton gentler style it just felt comfy and not cramped like on standard frets.
I may never be able to afford one , but it was definitely cool to hear this knowledgeable input!!
Everybody has a different price range so saying that Kiesel are surprisingly NOT expensive (appearance options can make them super expensive) may not do much for you. I own a variety of mid/high end guitars and always kind of figured Kiesels must just be super expensive due to the custom angle, but it's not really the case. If you went to Ibanez USA custom or Jackson custom you'd need a 2nd mortgage or to cough up a child. Kiesel custom isn't even remotely close to that insanity price wise.
Great vid and sound advice. I jumped from standard 7 string to a fan fret 8 string. Took very little adjustment really, but as I have tiny paws I honestly don't think I would've found the transition as easy on a standard fret board. I dropped lucky on a B Stock Harley Benton 8 String and I love it. The issue with lack of pick up options is annoying as is the apparent price jump in up grading. There are some awesome multi scale guitars out there that are simply too expensive for a single parent living in middle England!
I have played 7 string guitars for around 20 years now so the jump to my multiscale 8 wasn't very daunting and I'm glad I did. But, for someone new to extra strings I agree that you should definitely have a in depth try out before you buy. I have lost count of the amount of people who say "I bought one but sold it cos' It just wasn't working for me!"
I've never played one but I can imagine it's easier to bend...? You bend the string upwards and at the same time, because the fret is slightly diagonal, the point of contact between the string and fret gets a bit higher up the neck. So I suppose you'll bend into the note you want with less effort. Am I right?
You explained this perfectly. Thank you so so much
The only thing that took time to adjust on for me was high notes above the 15th fret or so, I was a little thrown off there at first, but now it's second nature to me. Absolutely love my VM7
I get it especially on 7+ string guitars or even really low tuned 6's. One absolute no no for me is an aesthetic issue that happens to apply to this kiesel..... Flamed maple fretboards and multiscale don't mix. You have the maple flame lines and frets coming at each other in all different directions. It hurts.
Thanks for this video, I’ve been on the fence.
Haven't tried one yet but they look nice and your demo here sounds great!
Just picked up an Etherial Zatha 8. I traded in my first 8 a Schecter Damien Platinum for it and wow it makes a world of difference playing a multiscale. It's easier to play up high, less exhausting on my wrist, and definitely a different vibe altogether.
….awesome, thanx for this info…👌🏼
…im getting an 8 String Multiscale headless guitar👍🏼
You damn kids with your Multiscale guitars and instagrams. Nice vid I don’t want to invest the cash into a new multi scale but would love to try one out.
I've played a few multi-scale guitars, and own a 5-string Ibanez multi-scale bass. The only issue/adjustment I had to consider was making sure the strings I like would work on it(they do).
I've always played 6 string guitars.
I've only owned & played one 8 string. It was a Agile Interseptor multiscale. And I'm a lefty , alitttle more challenging. Finding certain things. The one thing that I was having alitttle trouble with. Was the string spacing. I ended up selling the guitar. It's been awhile , I'm kinda wanting to try another one. Not sure which one though.
Ben Johnson I feel you man, as a fellow lefty it’s difficult for us to try things because they’re less common and then we’re stuck with buying something blind or waiting for decades for something to come in used at a music store. Lol
@@crappy60
If we lived in Texas , Florida or New York. State's that have all lefty Guitar stores.
@@silentwhisperstudios7808 I know. It's sad. Hahaha I'm in CA. Southpaw guitars has a good inventory, I've been there once, it was like a kid at recess. Hahah
that tone is next level
I bought a Dingwall NG3 without realizing how many blues lawyers I would piss off. Totally worth the money.
Two weeks late but congratulations that’s a sick bass!
I’ve recently been looking into buying a multi scale and I decided on the legator g7fp. I have a little bit of experience on a schecter multi scale and it felt great. The only thing that threw me off at first was sweeps above like the 15th fret but after a few minutes I was right at home.
My scalloped, fanned fret, 7 string, handmade strat-looking build(26.5 to 25.5) felt right at home from the very first time although i actually build it without having played fanned frets before(or 7 strings).Playing cowboy chords especially in the three first frets is a bit more difficult but apart from that its a joy to play and never really have any difficulty adjusting.Now all i have to do is getting used to the 7th string that i pretty much ignore every time i play that guitar😂😂😂.
What the hell is wrong with you haha.
Kahler sells multiscale trems for 6,7,8 strings
I am still working on getting my indexing perfect on 7 when I switch back and forth between 6/7 string instruments (means I still hit the wrong string sometimes unless playing pieces that are composed on 7), the location or even absence of frets is not a challenge for me compared to that issue. I thought just intonation/even temperament was interesting, but since all the fingerings are roughly in the same locations as any other guitar if you are having trouble to look away from the fretboard andor watch your hands but in a mirror. Practicing watching your hands in the mirror is actually a stupid sick dead simple way to retrain your brain/neck to stop looking at your hands unless you really need to. And if you're playing in a bar, you are probably in front of a mirror then too. :-)
I bought a Schecter Reaper 7 multiscale and it sounds and feels fantastic.
The only thing next on my list to buy is an amp head with a mesa cabinet but i still don't know wich amp would do the trick.
For anyone wanting to try a cheap but good sounding multiscale guitar i recommend the Schecter reaper.
Yep, just needs pickups replaced imo
Go banana! Thanks pal, u answered a lot of questions for me. Great content!
Watching this a few years after it was posted, I can comment more on aftermarket pickups. Seymour Duncan used to do custom multiscale pickups, but they won't do it any longer - they actually told me I should contact Bareknuckle. Bareknuckle and Lundgren will do it for a very small upcharge over the standard set price. I just ordered a set of Lundgren Black Heavens (both ceramic) with the angled backplate mount that fits my pickup cavities, and it was only $10 over the standard set price. They even sent me a PDF of the CAD layout of the angled backplate so I could make sure it was going to fit my guitar. But Trey is correct - your options are very limited. I was thinking of putting Fishman's in this guitar, but they just won't fit - not even the 9-string set is big enough for the cavities.
I think ‘blues lawyer’ is my new favourite diss. £30,000 guitar collection. 3 chords.
Sure. And all those “djent guitarists” playing only one string on their 8 string guitars and not knowing a single chord is even more stupid imo.
Ginger Jam can’t disagree. I can just about cope with 7s. 8s are gimmicky unless you’re Tosin Abasi, 9 strings? Please StAhP.
Fuck... guess the type x is my next guitar. That thing is beautiful.
very well explained!
good playing too
Tried a strandberg when I was in Scotland a while back. had no problems adapting at all. Could play everything right away quite naturally. I think a couple jazz chords go muddled on the lower frets at first. As you can see from my channel I am definitely not a pro musician nor a quick learner. Hopefully that should break through any trepidations for any weekend players.
Well done Millennial!
The tone from that engl is pretty fuckin solid!
Hahahah even though multiscale isnt for me, I love the points and it makes a lot of sense. Especially the last upside!
To me, it is similar to the linear/offset key arrangement ergonomic keyboard thing. Different configurations work for different people. Multiscale definitely has a lot of technical advantages on 7 and 8 strings.
I went from 6 string to 8 string multiscale and I have gotten used to it under a week. I still don't play perfectly but I was never better on a 6 string. The only thing that is harder to do on a multiscale is pinch harmonics and palm muting chords. Other than that there is nothing different.
Nice tone dude.
Due to my preference of a high strap the fanned bridge actually is in more of a natural position for my palm mutes. Alot easier for me.
That guitar looks killer!
Great video. Very informative.
Great video this helps a lot thanks.
Great video, super helpful
I have an LTD M 1008 multi scale. I couldn't imagine trying to play an 8 string any other way. It has a gentle fan angle, so I don't even really notice. I don't really see the point of a multi scale 6 string, unless maybe if it's a baritone. 7's can go either way, but I'd choose the fan fret every time.
P.s. we need more videos about the intricacies of extended range guitars. How to get to best sound out of them, amps and pedals that work better for the low end crowd, speaker swaps(?), EQ options, etc.
I love the idea of multiscale guitars and I'm down to try them out. Right now I just need a guitar that's nice and crisp with a drop A tuning and Imma try out a multiscale. If I find out that it's not the right thing for me I can still buy a straight-scale baritone guitar
Great stuff!!
Final a video I can refer ppl to when they ask why I play a fan fret
That purple haze version is dope, you should make a djent cover of that 😅
Used to play Drop C with 13s on a reg 6 string. I still thought it felt floppy sometimes.
Now I am playing a 7 string MS with 11's in Drop G and Im sitting here thinking I need to try 10s.
The bridge annoyed me at first when coming from a reg guitar. LEarning how to EQ the 7 string and tame its low end without losing tone took me some time.
BUt over all, I don't think I could go back, unless it was just a super special guitar that spoke to me
Great timing on this video. I've been ignoring them but maybe I shouldn't. I will take a second look but I think the deal breaker is pickup selection. My 7 string 25.5 gets too flubby on the low A string. I'm going back to heavy bottom strings.
Crazy to see how in such a short amount of time all these youtube channels basically became ads for brands... I'm not against it, but damn.
Excellent video. 💪
A multiscale guitar with a Sustainiac would be pretty sick.
The normal 7 string is great. But if I want go down from B to A or E to D it would like to have a little bit more length. I tried to solve the situation with a little bit thicker strings on E and B. It’s okay because I play also bass.
Well, what's about 6-string multiscales(25,5-27)?
I love my Stradberg 7 Black Pearl, only real complaint is the price. I sometimes think there might have been a better choice than the Fishmans, other times they sound great.