It‘s called true temperament because no matter how nice and relaxed your luthier usually seems, when you ask him to do fret work on this, you‘ll learn of _his_ true temperament.
@@AnimationArrow Yeah it really threw me off that they couldn't hear how much better the Strandberg sounded compared to the Fender. I mean sure there were some parts where the Fender sounded better but then again it looks like they are playing a custom shop Fender semi-hollow against a solid-body Strandberg and that's not really a fair comparison.
I think theres a video on the Crimson Guitars channel showing a true temperament fret job. Looked like an absolute nightmare job, not for the weak of patience.
@ Bϟ I get what you're trying to say and I think that even talking of open strings, you still get a bit of dissonance when G & B are played together especially. Which bring it back to what Adam said about major 3rds in the video.
@@Rockandwow03 To me that sounds like an artifact of the 12-TET system which has minor beating in the 3rds at the sake of more compensated 4ths and 5ths
As a bassist I love the tone of the true temp system. Good job I can play fretless and just do it naturally 😂 But damn it sounds so good and the harmonics are so clean with such little dissonance.
Screw the keyboard player. Dudes an asshole anyway!if i want sombody that plays maybe 10 notes in a song while complaining about everyone elses instruments...well i dig his number up.
@@earlycuyler2295 well there are keyboard players in bands, and then there are Jordan Rudess.. and he doesn't screw around with how many notes he plays :)
Seriously, what the hell. Like their ears are so good it’s working against them because they’ve got too use to hearing the exact wrong pitches. The bent frets sound so much better to me.
@@rpbmpn it’s a matter of taste. Imperfections can easily hurt music just as easily as they can help it. A lot of it depends on who is playing and how they’re playing.
Exactly what I thought! That put a serious dent on Adam Neely´s and Paul Davids reputation as musicians, at least for me. I wonder how many hours they have spent in the studio trying to get rid of `those familiar beatings in the sound`?
Thanks for that. Before Adam called it 'beating' I was wondering how to say it in english.. but 'Wub wubs' sounds quite more familiar to me 😂. I laughed..
Modulation and interference have far more general meaning when it comes to interaction of multiple waves. Beating refers to the pattern of oscillating amplitude of sound when 2 sounds with close frequencies are played simultaneously.
What is not said is that the system is designed for certain keys and some keys are actually in less tune than normal frets so it would be a good system for acoustic guitar I was this close to buying one
watch?v=mdpCnRSeshU I tried hours to have this D chord in my guitar and i failed a dozen year ago.. This video makes perfect sense, It s the exact D in the intro of that song. The guitar was probably tuned for that exact D chord in the recording.
@@AzathothsAlarmClock exactly… the element of human imperfection is still there. You can still fret too hard. Pick too hard or inconsistent. Use vibrato etc… it’s just now you are closer to the mid-point which gives you more room for error and less time doing re-takes in the studio
@@bradleywheeler3970 Because it's what give it character. It's why the perfect guitar sounds almost MIDI. For example violin strings vibrate in a very unusual non-sinusoidal shape. It's why it has it's own perculiar sound. Or like a microtonal instrument. I quite like it clean but would love to hear some very heavy music to see if the dissonance adds anything there.
@@johnpickering2008 in medieval times, guitar like instruments had guts wound around the neck to act as frets and musicians used to move them around, or put them at an angle to make them sound right. So the idea is definitely not new. Modern musicians also wrote music for guitar trying to avoid certain intervals on certain pairs of strings etc. I think there's an interview where eddie van halen talks about something similar... his explanation is wrong, but he nevertheless describes an actual phenomenon.
@@psd993 I know. But if making the exact perfect note was all that mattered then now we don't even need instruments because this guitar is not as in tune as a midi file
@@johnpickering2008 it's not about the perfect note. it's about intonation, and consonance that brings up comforting emotions. and midi files barely conveys emotion, if any at all. you're saying as if the importance of instruments merely lies on accuracy, and not emotion and expression. accuracy is only part of the equation, that's what makes the true temperament guitar different from midi files. and violinists tend to strive to be as in tune as possible, in order to make their sound consonant and pleasant to the audience. just because the strings vibrate unusually when bowed, doesn't mean that it sounds out of tune though. don't bring us into your argument lmao most heavy music already has dissonance in its composition, such as the incorporation of minor seconds/tritones which are already super dissonant by itself. there's no need to sacrifice consonance for that teeny tiny extra dissonance that you want in your music.
This is a video about the first impressions we had when playing this quite unique fretting system called True Temperament. I'd love to explore it some more with different sounds (especially with overdrive or distortion) and different applications. Anyways, I think it's quite fun to just watch us develop our first thoughts and opinions during this little vid :)
To my ears that guitar sounds impossibly perfect on every chord you played. I now understand why I can always hear beating in my chords no matter how much I tune my guitars, even with an electronic tuner. Mystery solved, finally! Thanks for this, you guys - great collab, wonderfully useful video.
The best way to see temperament is on the piano. Pianos sound really deferent when you mess with the temperament. All of these stringed instruments need to be slightly out of tune with themselves or they will only sound good in one key.
Okay, but the "normal guitar" has a significantly warmer tone. As much as I love to hear a band like Dream Theater using the perfected notes, the really great guitar players have all adjusted to reach perfect notes - the type and placement of their vibrato, how far they do bends, how wide their vibrato is, etc. I would expect switching to the wobbly-fretted guitar to diminish those stylistic fixes, making for a really dull lot of players who all sound synthesized.
@@KarstenJohansson timbre is not an issue of temperament, it's literally the electronics and acoustic quality of the instrument. not fret spacing that cause a "warmer tone"
@@nathanreiber6819 The "warmth" comment was actually an aside. I should have made that more obvious because on re-reading, it is certainly not clear. The warmth comment was just an observation, and everything that follows was the main thing I was actually on about. Sorry 'bout that. :)
This effect is how they have created that high end studio guitar sound for years. Record multiple copies/takes/dubs of the same part. Then take at least 2 takes and pan one hard left or right, then the second pan the opposite way. This creates a natural unison from 2 mono sounds. This same process is used with vocals and leads. Your welcome! ;)
All this time you have been doing your perfect intonation violins and all that stuff while we noob fretted instrument players have gotten used to the approximation lololol
No word of a lie - I had a class at uni with a lad called Michael Hunt! His parents either had a wicked off sense of humour, are they were reet naive. And why he didn’t use his middle name or something... maybe he liked it... or never got the joke...
Yeah, I just watched this and that was my first thought as well. You‘ll pay through the nose for every adjustment of your frets. If you even find someone willing to work on it.
Haha, for the first year I was starting to learn to play guitar I just thought I sucked or my B and E strings were always out of turn when playing D major. Now I’ve just gotten used to it
@RDE Lutherie Where exactly do the coins go? And do you use fourteen pennies, 2 nickels and 4 pennies, or a dime and 4 pennies? Lastly, if doing this in England, since 10 pence currently equal 14.3 US cents, do you make the conversion and use a 10 pence coin, or actually use fourteen pence? None of this really makes sense because if you flatten out a string, it won't be playable any more, but you're the expert. Thanks Luther! (Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha?)
Oh man, you nailed that one! Kudos. I wouldn’t wear a g-string (especially a high gauge one) because one wrong move and I could cut off my meat and two veg. Thanks for a true LOL!
I've felt this way my whole life and when I was young I was like, "why is EVERY guitar I've ever owned defective at the G string?!" Now, I tune my G a touch sharp. For some reason that helps. Maybe I can just bear light sharpness more than slight flatness.
the true temp guitar just sounds perfectly in tune with some chords like a guitar preset on a synth it lacks the warmness of the tele but its free from the dissonance which can be quite jarring sometimes i like it hope to see more of them being played
As a violinist, I get frustrated playing guitars, because they’re never quite in tune, and you can’t adjust pitch. I like this guitar... closer to what I want to hear...👍
@fjf sjdnx Frettless stringed instrument players make continuous minor adjustments to their finger position to play each note in pitch. In a fretted stringed instrument, the fret determines the pitch (for any given string tension) and as you go up the neck, the notes go in and out of pitch. Fan fretted and staggered fretted instruments aim to reduce the problem, but no frets and a good ear are best.
This is awesome! I remember tuning my guitar by ear when I was learning and went crazy trying to get it in tune. It’s always bothered me. Sometimes when I’m recording something delicate in a specific area of the instrument I’ll tune it so THAT specific area is perfectly in tune. It’s cool to see the technical reason why this is. Awesome!
That does look fairly interesting for comparison on the traditional guitar. It does look like something meant for Fusion Jazz or Progressive Metal, and that was what makes it up my alley! Awesome to see Adam on the Channel!
Progressive metal or any metal relys on a lot of dissonance. That guitar would take the life out of your playing. Like for example animals as leaders, tosin uses lots of dissonance with 2nd intervals etc. That wouldn't sound the same with TT. I personally think it would be least useful in metal genres. With that said I still love Paul's videos and at one point I was even a patreon of his.
@@michaelinglis8516 Ahhh I see. Well I do most certainly understand your paradigm surrounding that man. Also glad to hear that you are indeed a supporter of him
I don´t really agree, I think that this way the dissonance would "make more sense" , you can still use tritones/minor 2nd intervals and they´d just sound better imo
I was thinking this too. I feel that pushing that much square wave air but without the dissonance in-between would be an exotic feeling only felt by a minuscule percentage of humans.
The stranberg or whatever it is with the weird frets...sounded so much clearer ..the tele had a winderful tone but It didn't sound as musical ..man its 2019 ..if somebody finally figured out how to give a guitar better intonation why not embrace it..I am sold. My ears were so pleased ...I am not sure if I will find peace till I try a better intonated such as this.
@@legendfpv All the intonation "tricks" are centuries old, actually. The 'Netz has given them exposure, along with many boutique/custom luthier shops. There has to be a critical-mass of buyers to make such stuff fly. The method for achieving some of the tricks, and marketing them, may be new. Some folks tried to patent some of this stuff and found they couldn't because it was ancient prior-art.
I have invented and patented a better way of calculating fret positions, with strait frets, and lots of people ask me to build them a guitar because of this, but never any big manufacturer showed interest - they are just to lasy....
When playing an open D maj chord, you eventually learn to press down on the G string about half the pressure of the other strings depending on how you tune the thing and similar tricks with other open chords. You find a compromise between chords tuning it so each chord sounds the best. It's that dreaded G string 1st and 3rd frets which intonate the worst hence the massive difference there on the TT frets.
@@therestorationofdrwho1865 evertune website has quite a few preinstalled, ibanez, prs, fender. vgs do some under 500 and Olas signatures have them installed. slowly theyre becoming more popular and cheap.
@@jonw3462 evertune is about tuning stability, not intonation. They are two completely different issues. Evertune is awesome tho, but it doesn't address the same problem that TT does.
@@TahaNasser I know It helps alot though even with intonation, especially with a compensated nut added in. More so ocd and being picky as true temprement is more noticeable with open chords or people that have perfect pitch.
Frankly speaking - the "weird" guitar sounds more pleasant to my ears, more like an actual guitar should sound. This difference between a "normal" and a "spaghetti" guitar is probably the reason why some top guitarists do not perfectly tune their instruments. Is it? 🤔
Each string has a few quirks that make it so that even if all six open strings are perfectly in tune, they are going to be ever-so-slightly off when the frets are pressed. Easy example of this is if you go to drop D, and hit the sixth string, it'll detune flat for a bit. So you might pitch that string like 10 cents higher so it averages out to being okay.
Guitars are theoretically set up for "equal temperament" pitches. For each note, the next half step up should be 1.059 times that pitch (or 2^(1/12). Many fretted and keyboard instruments are set up like this. This is different from "just intonation", which is based on whole number ratios. E.g. a perfect 5th up from A=440 in just intonation would be 440 * 3/2, or 660. In equal temperament, a perfect 5th is 440 * (2^(7/12)) or 659.3. So there is always a slight "error". But equal temperament is what lets us play in different keys, b/c in just intonation the right notes for one key might be wrong for another. Fret positions on a guitar involve even bigger compromises, because the correct position of a 2nd fret for the 3rd string is not necessarily the same as for the 2nd fret of the 1st string, so fret placement is a "good enough" affair. With True Temperament the 2nd fret on the 3rd string is the right equal temperament pitch, and the 2nd fret on the first string is right too. This then also fixes problems with unisons and octaves between strings, so things sound smoother all along the fret board. So "True Temperament" isn't meant to change guitars over to "Just Intonation" but to fix errors in their "Equal Temperament" pitches. What stuns me is that there are people who prefer having their guitar out of tune because that's what they're used to. This is where habit and tradition become bad things.
@@andysee238 personal versus personal. Some people like beating in certain contexts, some people do not. Personally, I like the sound of the True Temperament as many chords sound slightly out of tune to me on the non-compensated guitars. When I record music it irritates me to hear the subtle beating when I just want all the notes to be in 12-TET anyways. To each their own, but I wouldn't put it down as "purist"
@@po9710 I am with you on personal taste. The purist part refers to Reg being stunned at people's preference for out of tune, and it being a 'bad thing'. Bad things can turn into the next good thing. Although, preference for out of tune could just be laziness, ignorance or incompetence - but it still makes music.
@@acyanic4239 I dig your perspective! I don't mind the beating that much when I play - as I don't have a TT neck on any guitar, but when I record the tuning sounds obvious. I think unaccompanied guitar sounds great even with straight frets, but when accompanied by other instruments TT does a great job at making things blend more coherently. And with jazz chords with higher numeric ratios I think TT would make thirds ring out more clearly
I hired a guy who stands behind me and adjust each tuning key as I play to take it slightly sharp or flat. That way I have perfect pitch all the time. Genius! But Chester gets real tired after Eruption...
First time seeing those frets.. it's awesome.. But about the sound comparison There's a massive difference with pick and finger playing.. Also each individual has a different stroke energy and style which made a big difference with the sound.. Also sound depends on the pickups too... I believe you get my point.. Btw I love your videos.. I watched most of them and the tutorials are 👍👍👍
Still wouldn't sound right, this is still in Equal temperament so the major 3rd will always be quite sharp, he tunes the string down to make it the harmonic major 3rd instead
It was a very strange feeling for me because when you played the chord on the telecaster I felt it was the right thing, but when I hear the chords on the other guitar I feel that everything fits together, I feel the "weird" guitar more familiar and natural and when it comes back to playing a telecaster chord after hearing the same chord on the other guitar, I feel we have been ruled by a canon. Sorry for my english. Kisses from Barcelona.
as a cellist who practices every day for 30 minutes just for intonation i cannot physically play the guitar without cringing every other chord because of the minor intonation problems. On a string instrument like the cello, violin, viola, or double bass it is essential to the artist that every single note is in tune, you go up the neck the same you come back. Every note is the same. And so to me I like the spaghetti guitar more because it is more in tune. If you're a violinist or in fact an artist of any of the violin family and want to learn how to play perfectly in tune, I suggest you practice long strokes with the bow and relax your left hand then press down on the intended note. You will feel a vibration in your instrument and it will increase your volume and quality of sound. Try playing your bow in the middle between the fingerboard and the bridge, then slowly(around 50bpm and 1 beat per note) go towards the bridge, but don't use your index finger to push your bow down. Use your entire arm and gravity. Do this every day on every string and every note. You will notice a difference in very little time if you do it right. If you can't tell the difference, you might want to find someone who can actually teach you in a physical lesson.
I thought string players didn't like well temperaments like this, because the intervals are different sizes in every key (see e.g. Dr. Ross W. Duffin's article "Why I hate Vallotti").
@@martinfido2161 I like well temperaments on guitars and basses because it corrects the intonation just a little bit more than the normal basses and guitars. like I said, us string players practice for perfect intonation, so I cant stand having notes that are out of tune. it just gives my ears a hard time lol
I've always had a hyper sensitive ear to the intonation errors on guitar. For instance D chord has always bothered me. I love the sound of this type of fretting. It soothes my ocd.
You are not hyper sensitive, just normal - I've never played anything, but guitars have always annoyed me because I always heard them as out of tune. Now I know why.
No, these fuckers will cry about “perfection taking soul away from guitar”. However, I want one just as bad as I want a True Temperament bass, since I am a seasoned bass player learning guitar for composition needs.
I liked the true temperament better immediately. I couldn’t understand why you guys thought it was weird! Sounds much more crisp and pure than the standard guitar
I can see this catching on. And then some day in the future you will see a video with a guitar that has weird straight frets and everybody will comment that the false intonation adds such an interesting and much more valuable overall sound to the accompanying music. I will stick with my Les. Paul. Not Bian lol.
Very cool. I've been misunderstanding how true temperament frets work this whole time. I thought it was a different intonation system. I didn't realize the purpose is to correctly implement equal temperament on a guitar. That makes this much more practical for use with things like pianos and synths that are in equal temperament! My bank account is not happy about this information.
I think, Steve Vai was the first supporter of True Temperament frets decades ago, and nowadays lots of bands record using guitars with TT frets, even though live they use regular frets. Same thing with Evertune bridges.
Unfortunately you presented some factual errors. True Temperament used to make an improved equal temperament neck, which they called "TRUE 12-Tone Equal Temperament". But the neck you are playing is a "Thidell Formula 1", which is based on Dr. Bradley Lehman's reconstruction of J.S. Bach's temperament (larips.com). It is absolutely not equal temperament, and is in fact called an unequal temperament. Unfortunately this information seems to no longer be on the True Temperament website, but you can find it on archive.org: "If you mostly play in "guitar keys" then Thidell Formula 1 is for you. It is optimised for all the standard open and barre chord patterns. Major keys in Formula 1 which sound closer to the natural tone row are: E, F#, G, A, B, C, D. Minor keys which sound closer to the natural tone row are: E, F#, G#, A, B, Eb." web.archive.org/web/20070711151224/www.truetemperament.com/main.php?go=14&lan=1
@@WilliamDye-willdye thanks! As I understand it, Thidell Formula 1 is both a well temperament, and some guitar specific adjustments similar to a compensating nut (but by adjusting all of the frets, rather than the nut). I wish they'd put all the technical info back on their website. They also made a meantone neck ruclips.net/video/E0pUt_Wvht0/видео.html which I was interested in buying, but I could never get a response from them. I'm slowing working on some charts to help see how these temperaments compare, www.fidolab.org/charts/
Yeah, Grimes taught him how to play the day before they filmed this video. Grimes taught herself to play guitar three days before she taught Elon while simultaneously mastering the double neck pedal steel, the french horn, the oboe and learning how to teach guitar. During this time, she also recorded 7 albums in her bedroom which have already won a 7-way tie for Album of the Year at the 2020 Grammys.
“It almost starts from a too sterile place”. Respect his opinion, but couldn’t disagree more. My biggest issue with guitar has always been the tuning discrepancy.
Same here. I get frustrated by the inconsistencies when I'm playing, and every time they said the chord sounded "weird" I was thinking, "what?? This sounds perfect and how I'd WANT my guitar to sound!"
I know what you mean, but if you hear a chord a million times a certain way, and suddenly it sounds different than you're used to, 'weird' is a word I use ;) But every opinion is valued greatly here on the channel!
This is really cool. I like the sound but was wondering if the true temperament would hold true for alternate tunings, or different gauge strings for that matter?
They partly answer this on their faq. Different gauges are ok, and dropping all strings the same amount is ok, but you shouldn't use a wound third. Alternate tunings won't work as it's designed to make certain keys more in tune than others, and that'll get messed up if you tune each string different amounts.
There are a lot of Turkish rock bands, Pop music producers rap gods:) Most of them sound great. But yeah it is a bit weird after listening western bands especially who write music in English language and vibes of old western music. I found why is most on the effect of language. In Turkish words there are a lot of use more different voices than English. Such as "ö" a word most of people in earth can't pronounce. When you take hotel california, write Turkish lyrics (not meaningless and doesn't sound divided from beats) transaction between words never matches with song, meaningless space between original chord changes (caused by sound difference, in many Turkish song there are more notes between full notes and sharp notes. Micro tonal ones which I don't know if it is 100% true but those notes can only be noted by Eastern races better.) puts you in a need of different chords to match Turkish words connection while pronouncing. And this adds this weird special vibe for Turkish songs. I dont hate it. Like some but yeah it is weird.
Turkish music is great, but what does it have to do with this video? Was it mentioned? True temperament tuning is not the same as the 15-note system used in Makam and other Middle Eastern music. Are you confusing semitones with perfectly spaced tones?
It's more or less like a chorus effect! Some bands have used that as a sort of studio trick: record two guitars, but have one of them just sliiightly out of tune from the other (and maybe even only certain strings at that). Sounds marvelous. The original recording of Angel's Son by Sevendust did this with the acoustic guitars: ruclips.net/video/56fPSbkzMCI/видео.html
I TOLD YOU NOT TO POST THIS. i can't let people ever know i played a guitar ☹️
its a 6 string bass
I guess you play guitar like I play bass, ukulele, mandolin or any other instrument with strings. I cheat
The truth comes out!
Adam Neely:
* plays not on a bass *
Davie504:
Et tu, brute?
Same bottom four strings, it’s essentially a bass.
Oh look it's an alternate reality of Good Mythical Morning
Haha
Good Musical Morning
A better one these days.
@@mikansan8216 clever
If only Adam Neely (Link) wore glasses here
It‘s called true temperament because no matter how nice and relaxed your luthier usually seems, when you ask him to do fret work on this, you‘ll learn of _his_ true temperament.
This is objectively the funniest guitar joke that I've heard in over 12 years and honestly thank you so much my god!
Lose temper
That's true
@@ShadowLancer128 so what was the joke you've heared 13 years ago?
Adam, is that a short scale 6 string soprano bass? Siiick duude
Dancing Cossack a toy bass, if you will...
He just needs to feed it, it will eventually grow into a real instrument. ;)
I read that before I saw what he was playing..lol
@Kugelspecht Einhorn same
Lol
To my hearing, the weird guitar sounds clearer and easier to the ear..
That's what it's supposed to do. It's just they are so used to the sound of a regular guitar that in relation to that it sounded off.
@@AnimationArrow Yeah it really threw me off that they couldn't hear how much better the Strandberg sounded compared to the Fender. I mean sure there were some parts where the Fender sounded better but then again it looks like they are playing a custom shop Fender semi-hollow against a solid-body Strandberg and that's not really a fair comparison.
Doesn't that also have to do with pickups/tone though?
Are they both playing through the same amp?
@@611gay5 I don't think so I see two amps miced up ( the one to Adams right and one right behind Pauls back)
I feel like Morty when he experienced true level.
eVerYtHingS CrooKed
Every thing is a lie!
i can never go back!
Ooooh 😯
Ooooh oooh 🥵
Reality is poison!
Adam blink twice if you're playing that guitar against your will
He blinked too many times.... I think he really is in trouble...
VOLAIRE ♪ lets save this man, he’s clearly being tortured!
lolll great comment
R.I.P. to whoever has to re-fret that guitar someday
Probably the maker, under warranty?
@@foljs5858 still tho
Just throw away.. Or convert into home decor
I think theres a video on the Crimson Guitars channel showing a true temperament fret job. Looked like an absolute nightmare job, not for the weak of patience.
Bolt on neck i think? just replace lol
It's like he's always playing on open strings
Like a harp
indeed. 1000% accurate man!
No, it's not like that at all.
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Bϟ I get what you're trying to say and I think that even talking of open strings, you still get a bit of dissonance when G & B are played together especially. Which bring it back to what Adam said about major 3rds in the video.
@@Rockandwow03 To me that sounds like an artifact of the 12-TET system which has minor beating in the 3rds at the sake of more compensated 4ths and 5ths
All the chords sound like open chords and that’s just freaky
I was looking for this comment, to make sure it was not just me being nuts
Wait one second, I was just listening to the video in the background, you're telling me some of those chords WEREN'T open?
they sound right purdy to me
but sounds really clear and crispy, I love it!
It's because this guitar has fret 0 instead of saddle
It sounds like a keyboard with a really good electric guitar setting.
3:55 Yeah i think that's what he meant by "A.I. guitar"
Yep way sharper crisp sound
Would be cool if they made sure to use the same strings and pick ups tho
But standard keyboards aren't equally tempered either
Mazy no but they are programmed with perfect frequency’s. That’s what these guitars are trying to do
I love how that guitar sounds... it's so smooth, warm, and clear. It's almost harp-like.
Yes, wonderfully clear, not muddy at all like any decent guitar
Exactly
Its the tune knob.
Yes but unfortunately the death of False Notes
@@falsenotefest Believe I can manage without
Looks like the guitar i tried to refret the other day...
Tiuskilin hahaha thanks for the laugh brother!
Just wanted to write something like: “must be fun to refret that thing” 😂
It makes your bass player angry but your keyboard player loves it...
As a bassist I love the tone of the true temp system.
Good job I can play fretless and just do it naturally 😂
But damn it sounds so good and the harmonics are so clean with such little dissonance.
I don't know why but hearing the perfect tones makes me feel at ease
Screw the keyboard player. Dudes an asshole anyway!if i want sombody that plays maybe 10 notes in a song while complaining about everyone elses instruments...well i dig his number up.
Would actually be easier to match tone in a line I think, especially with a fretless.
@@earlycuyler2295 well there are keyboard players in bands, and then there are Jordan Rudess.. and he doesn't screw around with how many notes he plays :)
Both of them: "I'm used to hearing guitars with crappy pitch, so I can't work with this thing."
It ruins blues hahahah 🤣
Seriously, what the hell. Like their ears are so good it’s working against them because they’ve got too use to hearing the exact wrong pitches. The bent frets sound so much better to me.
@@rpbmpn it’s a matter of taste. Imperfections can easily hurt music just as easily as they can help it. A lot of it depends on who is playing and how they’re playing.
hehehe excellent
Exactly what I thought! That put a serious dent on Adam Neely´s and Paul Davids reputation as musicians, at least for me. I wonder how many hours they have spent in the studio trying to get rid of `those familiar beatings in the sound`?
Poor Adam... Playing a guitar....
Stop calling it "beating." It's scientific term is "wub wubs."
b i n a u r a l b e a t s
Thanks for that. Before Adam called it 'beating' I was wondering how to say it in english.. but 'Wub wubs' sounds quite more familiar to me 😂. I laughed..
Isn't the correct term interference? ;P
Beating/modulation/interference are all the same. It is basically because the notes are not harmonically related by proper integer divisors.
Modulation and interference have far more general meaning when it comes to interaction of multiple waves. Beating refers to the pattern of oscillating amplitude of sound when 2 sounds with close frequencies are played simultaneously.
That D major sounded like a too good MIDI plugin because of how perfect the pitch on each string is
What is not said is that the system is designed for certain keys and some keys are actually in less tune than normal frets so it would be a good system for acoustic guitar I was this close to buying one
Exactly. Very nice. Very musical. But soulless.
@@davepayne164 i think soulless is too harsh to describe it
I know what you mean though
watch?v=mdpCnRSeshU I tried hours to have this D chord in my guitar and i failed a dozen year ago.. This video makes perfect sense, It s the exact D in the intro of that song. The guitar was probably tuned for that exact D chord in the recording.
@@AzathothsAlarmClock exactly… the element of human imperfection is still there. You can still fret too hard. Pick too hard or inconsistent. Use vibrato etc… it’s just now you are closer to the mid-point which gives you more room for error and less time doing re-takes in the studio
If all guitar frets had always been adjusted for intonation, what we're used to now would be totally unacceptable.
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous that they decide that they don't like it at the end. Why would you want your instrument out of tune?
@@bradleywheeler3970 Because it's what give it character. It's why the perfect guitar sounds almost MIDI. For example violin strings vibrate in a very unusual non-sinusoidal shape. It's why it has it's own perculiar sound. Or like a microtonal instrument.
I quite like it clean but would love to hear some very heavy music to see if the dissonance adds anything there.
@@johnpickering2008 in medieval times, guitar like instruments had guts wound around the neck to act as frets and musicians used to move them around, or put them at an angle to make them sound right. So the idea is definitely not new. Modern musicians also wrote music for guitar trying to avoid certain intervals on certain pairs of strings etc. I think there's an interview where eddie van halen talks about something similar... his explanation is wrong, but he nevertheless describes an actual phenomenon.
@@psd993 I know. But if making the exact perfect note was all that mattered then now we don't even need instruments because this guitar is not as in tune as a midi file
@@johnpickering2008 it's not about the perfect note. it's about intonation, and consonance that brings up comforting emotions. and midi files barely conveys emotion, if any at all. you're saying as if the importance of instruments merely lies on accuracy, and not emotion and expression. accuracy is only part of the equation, that's what makes the true temperament guitar different from midi files.
and violinists tend to strive to be as in tune as possible, in order to make their sound consonant and pleasant to the audience. just because the strings vibrate unusually when bowed, doesn't mean that it sounds out of tune though. don't bring us into your argument lmao
most heavy music already has dissonance in its composition, such as the incorporation of minor seconds/tritones which are already super dissonant by itself. there's no need to sacrifice consonance for that teeny tiny extra dissonance that you want in your music.
But are they in tune with the chakra tho
I tuned 'em with my third eye, so I guess...
@@PaulDavids its so funny that you released this after Adam talking about weird tuning system that people claim to be in tune with chakra or whatever
BAD FREQUENCYS!!
But for real, thats the notes that a piano has, the only problem i see is when you have to play with other guitarrist of basist
Shakira is always in tune.
I can't stand the sound of a "normal" guitar now. Thanks. 😀
yep. 110% right
What is more attracive to me is more of resonance than intonation... The resonance of Strandberg sounds more balanced.
@@ItzhakWoolf i dont think that has to do with the frets though
@@Rex-golf_player810 Yep. I mean wood, or maybe pickups. So it's not quite a identical or fair comparison.
@@ItzhakWoolf the pickups are absolutely a huge part of it
It basically sounds like what we think a guitar sounds like in our head
Lobo Cachondo the headstock is just to big
@Lobo Cachondo no no you should definitely try vaseline
@@NotBorno r/woooosh
@@gator7994 right back at you
@@NotBorno What?
This is a video about the first impressions we had when playing this quite unique fretting system called True Temperament. I'd love to explore it some more with different sounds (especially with overdrive or distortion) and different applications. Anyways, I think it's quite fun to just watch us develop our first thoughts and opinions during this little vid :)
Paul, thanks for all you do for us guitarists around the world man. Adam is definitely a boss for what he does.. Amazing bass player man 🤘🎸
That's probably the coolest strandberg I've ever seen
get the guitar for more vids :D
Mattias IA Eklundh has been using TT for quite a while now. One thing you didn't touch upon is how the harmonics are in tune with the fret.
Paul Davids That Telecaster is great! I would get it.
Those 2 guitars being played together gives a fantastic sounding chorus effect!
I didn't know how badly the imperfections in "normal" guitars bugged me until watching this- I NEED TRUE TEMPERAMENT EVERYTHING NOW
Hate to break it to you but Adam is going through a microtone phase rn
EVERYTHING IS CROOOKED
Me too. Its like harmonic nirvana.
Then you'll love "just intonation" even more.
@@coder0xff my thoughts exactly. If you think "equal temperament" is the best it gets "Just intonation" is a whole different level of musical OCD
to me the true temp fret guitar sounds almost like a sampled guitar ... it sort of sounds "fake" because it's so "perfect."
there's nothing perfect to it. It's just meant to sound more harmonious
@Lobo Cachondo the strandberg?
When both are playing together, it sounds like one guitar playing through a chorus pedal.
To my ears that guitar sounds impossibly perfect on every chord you played. I now understand why I can always hear beating in my chords no matter how much I tune my guitars, even with an electronic tuner. Mystery solved, finally! Thanks for this, you guys - great collab, wonderfully useful video.
You should also make sure your guitar is "set up" correctly. The intonation and action should be adjusted to minimize this.
@Steve ... i didn't
@Steve wait so it's not good that my 12th fret is half a note too low?
The best way to see temperament is on the piano. Pianos sound really deferent when you mess with the temperament. All of these stringed instruments need to be slightly out of tune with themselves or they will only sound good in one key.
@@nostalgiafactor733 Oops...!
The weird guitar has clearer overtones. So we're actually hearing a what sounds like a fuller and cleaner sound out of it.
Agreed!
Okay, but the "normal guitar" has a significantly warmer tone. As much as I love to hear a band like Dream Theater using the perfected notes, the really great guitar players have all adjusted to reach perfect notes - the type and placement of their vibrato, how far they do bends, how wide their vibrato is, etc. I would expect switching to the wobbly-fretted guitar to diminish those stylistic fixes, making for a really dull lot of players who all sound synthesized.
this comment is 100% right!
@@KarstenJohansson timbre is not an issue of temperament, it's literally the electronics and acoustic quality of the instrument. not fret spacing that cause a "warmer tone"
@@nathanreiber6819 The "warmth" comment was actually an aside. I should have made that more obvious because on re-reading, it is certainly not clear.
The warmth comment was just an observation, and everything that follows was the main thing I was actually on about. Sorry 'bout that. :)
I'd like to have that guitar just so that I could play an open D chord occasionally and not want to smash the guitar against the wall.
Northern Brother true
a rather expensive bit of smashing you've got there
i have avoided open D chords my entire life and now i think i know why... because they sound like shit
protip play the a, and ignore the high e
@@hunger993 that's kind of drastic though, and it's technically a D/A if you do that
I love how when you play in unison the tuning causes a really lush natural chorus
It sounds like the modulating sound on a vibraphone
I noticed that chorus effect as well the few times they played in unison. They should have done it more for emphasis.
This effect is how they have created that high end studio guitar sound for years. Record multiple copies/takes/dubs of the same part. Then take at least 2 takes and pan one hard left or right, then the second pan the opposite way. This creates a natural unison from 2 mono sounds. This same process is used with vocals and leads. Your welcome! ;)
@@demolitionkid2 I assumed that was common knowledge.
Check out "Pictures of Matchstick Men" from the 60's. Two guitars in unison intentionally out of tune.
as an orchestral string player i cannot tell you how refreshing it was to hear this guitar
agreed! without a doubt right dude
Problem solved...get rid of frets all together
@@jahread3322 this would actually be a great idea because it would also get rid of fret buzz, and eliminate the need for refrets as well
@@heatherhanlon2799 A Great idea until you actually tried to play that instrument :D
All this time you have been doing your perfect intonation violins and all that stuff while we noob fretted instrument players have gotten used to the approximation lololol
I'm trying to figure out who Justin Tonation is. He probably hangs out with Jason Waterfals
andy rocksteady - and Theresa Greene
I bet he has a Huge Ackman
Or mike ocsbig
No word of a lie - I had a class at uni with a lad called Michael Hunt! His parents either had a wicked off sense of humour, are they were reet naive. And why he didn’t use his middle name or something... maybe he liked it... or never got the joke...
My God.....I thought I was the only one!!
"Hey bro can you level these frets?" and watch your luthier scream.
Level them, no problem. Re-crowning them is another story.
Yeah, I just watched this and that was my first thought as well. You‘ll pay through the nose for every adjustment of your frets. If you even find someone willing to work on it.
If anything just make sure they're stainless steel and you're set
@Steve recrowing them?
@Steve mmmk
That guitar looks a whole lot like the time I tried to draw my dad's guitar when I was 5 years old.
lolll excellent
You know what you have to do now right? Record a song tracked with true tempered guitar and bass, then tracked with regular guitar and bass.
Yes this
Hearing the D major chord hurts so badly on a standard guitar as soon as someone points out how off it sounds.
I thought it was just me! I've always wondered why it never sounds quite right.
Haha, for the first year I was starting to learn to play guitar I just thought I sucked or my B and E strings were always out of turn when playing D major. Now I’ve just gotten used to it
I always tune down the E a bit, i think Jimmy page used to do that, i think it sounds a lot better
cygnustsp yes
Playing D with Bar C shape helps in my opinion. It somehow feels like D sounds better that way, perhaps cause it puts emphasis on string.
OKAY so after hearing the spaghetti guitar I can never listen to a normal guitar again without hearing the imperfections and I can't breathe
When you were both playing the same chords, there was a chorusing effect that I think really shows the difference between them
This is the only comment on here that means anything in relation to the science behind this...
The rest is all 'weird!' or 'cool!'.
Noticed that so cool 😂
The G string always sounds wrong no matter what on a normal guitar to me, it's so frustrating
@RDE Lutherie Where exactly do the coins go? And do you use fourteen pennies, 2 nickels and 4 pennies, or a dime and 4 pennies? Lastly, if doing this in England, since 10 pence currently equal 14.3 US cents, do you make the conversion and use a 10 pence coin, or actually use fourteen pence? None of this really makes sense because if you flatten out a string, it won't be playable any more, but you're the expert. Thanks Luther! (Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha?)
Oh man, you nailed that one! Kudos. I wouldn’t wear a g-string (especially a high gauge one) because one wrong move and I could cut off my meat and two veg. Thanks for a true LOL!
Same! Why is that?
I've felt this way my whole life and when I was young I was like, "why is EVERY guitar I've ever owned defective at the G string?!"
Now, I tune my G a touch sharp. For some reason that helps. Maybe I can just bear light sharpness more than slight flatness.
Try a wound G string and suddenly it sounds right...i promise.
the true temp guitar just sounds perfectly in tune with some chords like a guitar preset on a synth it lacks the warmness of the tele but its free from the dissonance which can be quite jarring sometimes i like it hope to see more of them being played
As a violinist, I get frustrated playing guitars, because they’re never quite in tune, and you can’t adjust pitch. I like this guitar... closer to what I want to hear...👍
You just need a fretless guitar. Fretless basses are more common, but guitars are around.
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@fjf sjdnx Frettless stringed instrument players make continuous minor adjustments to their finger position to play each note in pitch. In a fretted stringed instrument, the fret determines the pitch (for any given string tension) and as you go up the neck, the notes go in and out of pitch. Fan fretted and staggered fretted instruments aim to reduce the problem, but no frets and a good ear are best.
@@midi510 fretless dont really sound like a guitar, they seem to lose their identity, Im digging the temperament frets
@@megusta9045 They don't sound like a fretted guitar, of course. A fretless bass doesn't sound like a fretted bass, either.
the weird fret guitar looks like a tortilla
made me hungry looking at it
lol
This is awesome! I remember tuning my guitar by ear when I was learning and went crazy trying to get it in tune. It’s always bothered me. Sometimes when I’m recording something delicate in a specific area of the instrument I’ll tune it so THAT specific area is perfectly in tune. It’s cool to see the technical reason why this is. Awesome!
That does look fairly interesting for comparison on the traditional guitar. It does look like something meant for Fusion Jazz or Progressive Metal, and that was what makes it up my alley! Awesome to see Adam on the Channel!
Progressive metal or any metal relys on a lot of dissonance. That guitar would take the life out of your playing. Like for example animals as leaders, tosin uses lots of dissonance with 2nd intervals etc. That wouldn't sound the same with TT. I personally think it would be least useful in metal genres. With that said I still love Paul's videos and at one point I was even a patreon of his.
@@michaelinglis8516 Ahhh I see. Well I do most certainly understand your paradigm surrounding that man. Also glad to hear that you are indeed a supporter of him
I don´t really agree, I think that this way the dissonance would "make more sense" , you can still use tritones/minor 2nd intervals and they´d just sound better imo
@@renzo3939 true
@@renzo3939 yeap, more symmetrical dissonance intervals like a tritone make it more dissonant and give a more grainy texture when distortion is added
The true temperament guitar sounds soo much clearer and I guess "open/airy" is the best word I can describe it with.
I feel like that's just the tone of the guitar
that has nothing to do with the frets though, it's the pickups and amps
it sounds like midi guitar, perfectly pitched notes.
That's not the true temperament. That's a strandberg vs Tele difference
To me regular guitars have an “edgy” tuning. The TT guitars sounds sweeter/ more in tune.
So, for a non-guitarist, that squiggly one sounds much more clear to me.
Part of that is paul is using a pick vs thumb.... IDK how much
The True Temperament sounds more like a harp with less dissonance. I wish that you had run some distorted tones.
I was thinking this too. I feel that pushing that much square wave air but without the dissonance in-between would be an exotic feeling only felt by a minuscule percentage of humans.
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The stranberg or whatever it is with the weird frets...sounded so much clearer ..the tele had a winderful tone but It didn't sound as musical ..man its 2019 ..if somebody finally figured out how to give a guitar better intonation why not embrace it..I am sold. My ears were so pleased ...I am not sure if I will find peace till I try a better intonated such as this.
The tech is over a decade old.
@@legendfpv
All the intonation "tricks" are centuries old, actually. The 'Netz has given them exposure, along with many boutique/custom luthier shops. There has to be a critical-mass of buyers to make such stuff fly.
The method for achieving some of the tricks, and marketing them, may be new. Some folks tried to patent some of this stuff and found they couldn't because it was ancient prior-art.
you can watch a recent interview with Ola Strandberg here, very interesting : ruclips.net/video/F3AWXdDrZbg/видео.html
@Lobo Cachondo Why would I need a pair? I'd just shove a single chopstick in one ear and all the way through to the other side
I have invented and patented a better way of calculating fret positions, with strait frets, and lots of people ask me to build them a guitar because of this, but never any big manufacturer showed interest - they are just to lasy....
When playing an open D maj chord, you eventually learn to press down on the G string about half the pressure of the other strings depending on how you tune the thing and similar tricks with other open chords. You find a compromise between chords tuning it so each chord sounds the best. It's that dreaded G string 1st and 3rd frets which intonate the worst hence the massive difference there on the TT frets.
yes, yes, and definitely yes
This explains why my G string always needs the most adjustments
Nailed it. I didn’t even realize that’s what I was doing for 40 years. Had to pick it up and check. Yup.
This guitar cures my OCD when I play a guitar. I want this so bad.
evertune bridge is great for that
jon w I wish these were more common.
@@therestorationofdrwho1865
evertune website has quite a few preinstalled, ibanez, prs, fender.
vgs do some under 500 and Olas signatures have them installed.
slowly theyre becoming more popular and cheap.
@@jonw3462 evertune is about tuning stability, not intonation. They are two completely different issues. Evertune is awesome tho, but it doesn't address the same problem that TT does.
@@TahaNasser
I know
It helps alot though even with intonation, especially with a compensated nut added in.
More so ocd and being picky as true temprement is more noticeable with open chords or people that have perfect pitch.
Frankly speaking - the "weird" guitar sounds more pleasant to my ears, more like an actual guitar should sound. This difference between a "normal" and a "spaghetti" guitar is probably the reason why some top guitarists do not perfectly tune their instruments. Is it? 🤔
Мар'ян Носович I definitely agree with you! When playing any guitar they just always sound out of tune.
Yeah as soon as Paul hit that Bar G, compared to Adam's I totally got it
@@cruxtymusic exactly. Paul's notes don't conflict with each other, creating the consonant sound I'd be glad to hear each time I play the guitar.
Each string has a few quirks that make it so that even if all six open strings are perfectly in tune, they are going to be ever-so-slightly off when the frets are pressed. Easy example of this is if you go to drop D, and hit the sixth string, it'll detune flat for a bit. So you might pitch that string like 10 cents higher so it averages out to being okay.
Look up James Taylor on how to tune a guitar. His tunings are all over the place.
Guitars are theoretically set up for "equal temperament" pitches. For each note, the next half step up should be 1.059 times that pitch (or 2^(1/12). Many fretted and keyboard instruments are set up like this. This is different from "just intonation", which is based on whole number ratios. E.g. a perfect 5th up from A=440 in just intonation would be 440 * 3/2, or 660. In equal temperament, a perfect 5th is 440 * (2^(7/12)) or 659.3. So there is always a slight "error". But equal temperament is what lets us play in different keys, b/c in just intonation the right notes for one key might be wrong for another.
Fret positions on a guitar involve even bigger compromises, because the correct position of a 2nd fret for the 3rd string is not necessarily the same as for the 2nd fret of the 1st string, so fret placement is a "good enough" affair. With True Temperament the 2nd fret on the 3rd string is the right equal temperament pitch, and the 2nd fret on the first string is right too. This then also fixes problems with unisons and octaves between strings, so things sound smoother all along the fret board.
So "True Temperament" isn't meant to change guitars over to "Just Intonation" but to fix errors in their "Equal Temperament" pitches.
What stuns me is that there are people who prefer having their guitar out of tune because that's what they're used to. This is where habit and tradition become bad things.
People have instrument out of tune to sound different and make different music. Personal vs purist.
@@andysee238 personal versus personal. Some people like beating in certain contexts, some people do not. Personally, I like the sound of the True Temperament as many chords sound slightly out of tune to me on the non-compensated guitars. When I record music it irritates me to hear the subtle beating when I just want all the notes to be in 12-TET anyways. To each their own, but I wouldn't put it down as "purist"
@@po9710 I am with you on personal taste. The purist part refers to Reg being stunned at people's preference for out of tune, and it being a 'bad thing'. Bad things can turn into the next good thing. Although, preference for out of tune could just be laziness, ignorance or incompetence - but it still makes music.
@@acyanic4239 I dig your perspective! I don't mind the beating that much when I play - as I don't have a TT neck on any guitar, but when I record the tuning sounds obvious. I think unaccompanied guitar sounds great even with straight frets, but when accompanied by other instruments TT does a great job at making things blend more coherently. And with jazz chords with higher numeric ratios I think TT would make thirds ring out more clearly
I hired a guy who stands behind me and adjust each tuning key as I play to take it slightly sharp or flat. That way I have perfect pitch all the time. Genius! But Chester gets real tired after Eruption...
Isn't that what Gibson's robo-tuners were supposed to do? LOL!
lol pro comment
I have to say, that guitar sounds more like a harp than a guitar with that "perfect" intonation. It think it cool. Get it👍
It sounds exactly like a guitar should do. Holds tune in all positions. Its design evolution. Awesomely Mint
I wish i could have heard it. That true intonation sounded crazy even on my smart phone. So crazy. I loved it.
Headless guitars - I just can’t get used to the way they look and probably never will!
Although I appreciate it as an instrument, I think they're ugly.😓
same
Yup, nice concept but unbearably ugly.
PhobosDDeimos yeah!
Unbearably much better looking in every way
First time seeing those frets.. it's awesome..
But about the sound comparison
There's a massive difference with pick and finger playing..
Also each individual has a different stroke energy and style which made a big difference with the sound..
Also sound depends on the pickups too...
I believe you get my point..
Btw I love your videos.. I watched most of them and the tutorials are 👍👍👍
You should have played the intro to Scar Tissue that you'd previously done a video on, just to see how it would sound.
Still wouldn't sound right, this is still in Equal temperament so the major 3rd will always be quite sharp, he tunes the string down to make it the harmonic major 3rd instead
Ahh...I see. Just a better approximation of a slightly flawed system.
It was a very strange feeling for me because when you played the chord on the telecaster I felt it was the right thing, but when I hear the chords on the other guitar I feel that everything fits together, I feel the "weird" guitar more familiar and natural and when it comes back to playing a telecaster chord after hearing the same chord on the other guitar, I feel we have been ruled by a canon. Sorry for my english. Kisses from Barcelona.
as a cellist who practices every day for 30 minutes just for intonation i cannot physically play the guitar without cringing every other chord because of the minor intonation problems. On a string instrument like the cello, violin, viola, or double bass it is essential to the artist that every single note is in tune, you go up the neck the same you come back. Every note is the same. And so to me I like the spaghetti guitar more because it is more in tune.
If you're a violinist or in fact an artist of any of the violin family and want to learn how to play perfectly in tune, I suggest you practice long strokes with the bow and relax your left hand then press down on the intended note. You will feel a vibration in your instrument and it will increase your volume and quality of sound. Try playing your bow in the middle between the fingerboard and the bridge, then slowly(around 50bpm and 1 beat per note) go towards the bridge, but don't use your index finger to push your bow down. Use your entire arm and gravity. Do this every day on every string and every note. You will notice a difference in very little time if you do it right. If you can't tell the difference, you might want to find someone who can actually teach you in a physical lesson.
I thought string players didn't like well temperaments like this, because the intervals are different sizes in every key (see e.g. Dr. Ross W. Duffin's article "Why I hate Vallotti").
@@martinfido2161 I like well temperaments on guitars and basses because it corrects the intonation just a little bit more than the normal basses and guitars. like I said, us string players practice for perfect intonation, so I cant stand having notes that are out of tune. it just gives my ears a hard time lol
This guitar looks like the fast forward on VHS.
Everything is all good, till the time comes for refretting 😂
I must be so used to the imperfections in a regular guitar's tuning that the squiggly one sounds too perfect, almost like a computer some times.
Really like the sound of that true temperament guitar. Watched with my studio monitors, could feel/hear the pulsing you guys were talking about.
@S H Lol
Really like the sound of that true temperament guitar. Watched with my ears, could feel/hear the pulsing you guys were talking about.
@S H Cool, I know they said they were unsure about how well the sound would translate to a phone speaker.
True Tempermant: The guitar you didn't know you needed, until you knew for certain that you didn't need it.
i agree! entirely accurate
I've always had a hyper sensitive ear to the intonation errors on guitar. For instance D chord has always bothered me. I love the sound of this type of fretting. It soothes my ocd.
You are not hyper sensitive, just normal - I've never played anything, but guitars have always annoyed me because I always heard them as out of tune. Now I know why.
You can work around that.
@@leifvejby8023 you're not normal, just annoying
I need that guitar! That sound is so pleasing to me xD not weird at all just soo good!
The true "temperment" sound is gorgeous! Can you imagine how much this would add in Nashville Tuning playing rhythm?
No, these fuckers will cry about “perfection taking soul away from guitar”. However, I want one just as bad as I want a True Temperament bass, since I am a seasoned bass player learning guitar for composition needs.
Because the frets are adapted to string tension, it might not even work in Nashville tuning.
I liked the true temperament better immediately. I couldn’t understand why you guys thought it was weird! Sounds much more crisp and pure than the standard guitar
Does this guitar play 432HZ? I don't want a 440hz instrument bc of the bad frequencies
I can see this catching on. And then some day in the future you will see a video with a guitar that has weird straight frets and everybody will comment that the false intonation adds such an interesting and much more valuable overall sound to the accompanying music.
I will stick with my Les. Paul. Not Bian lol.
wait adam neely playing a guitar
THAT'S ILLEGAL
John Brock III Music don’t worry, it’s just a toy six string bass
SLAP LIKE NOW
oh, wrong channel, sorry
Call the police immeadiately
It's like a vivid dream...it's sounds real but removed from "reality"
Very cool. I've been misunderstanding how true temperament frets work this whole time. I thought it was a different intonation system. I didn't realize the purpose is to correctly implement equal temperament on a guitar. That makes this much more practical for use with things like pianos and synths that are in equal temperament! My bank account is not happy about this information.
I think it still does have to do with intonation though
"Ft. Adam Neely" is the kind of clickbait I'm here for.
Mattias Eklungh has been using true temperament necks for a while. His insane harmonics require perfect intonation.
I wonder if all the other frets could be straight if the 0 fret was squiggly.
I think, Steve Vai was the first supporter of True Temperament frets decades ago, and nowadays lots of bands record using guitars with TT frets, even though live they use regular frets.
Same thing with Evertune bridges.
Seeing vais guitar with TT got me intrested in it. Thought of getting the old squire strat I have fitted with a TT neck but never got around to it
decades ago? TT isn´t so old ...
@@k-auslightroast412 I think Vai was sent a prototype in the late '90s, way before they became available to the public.
Unfortunately you presented some factual errors. True Temperament used to make an improved equal temperament neck, which they called "TRUE 12-Tone Equal Temperament".
But the neck you are playing is a "Thidell Formula 1", which is based on Dr. Bradley Lehman's reconstruction of J.S. Bach's temperament (larips.com). It is absolutely not equal temperament, and is in fact called an unequal temperament. Unfortunately this information seems to no longer be on the True Temperament website, but you can find it on archive.org:
"If you mostly play in "guitar keys" then Thidell Formula 1 is for you. It is optimised for all the standard open and barre chord patterns. Major keys in Formula 1 which sound closer to the natural tone row are: E, F#, G, A, B, C, D. Minor keys which sound closer to the natural tone row are: E, F#, G#, A, B, Eb."
web.archive.org/web/20070711151224/www.truetemperament.com/main.php?go=14&lan=1
This makes a lot of sense because in equal temperament you can hear the problems to even in a digital piano.
Replying to bump the comment. Thanks for an informative post.
@@WilliamDye-willdye thanks! As I understand it, Thidell Formula 1 is both a well temperament, and some guitar specific adjustments similar to a compensating nut (but by adjusting all of the frets, rather than the nut). I wish they'd put all the technical info back on their website. They also made a meantone neck ruclips.net/video/E0pUt_Wvht0/видео.html which I was interested in buying, but I could never get a response from them.
I'm slowing working on some charts to help see how these temperaments compare, www.fidolab.org/charts/
I LOVE the sound of that guitar!! AMAZING!!!
imperfect instrument with an imperfect tuning😁 cool👍
:)) guitaaaarrr
@@lauraene3458 bass
"within an" not "with an"
I didn’t know Elon musk knew how to play guitar
Yeah, Grimes taught him how to play the day before they filmed this video. Grimes taught herself to play guitar three days before she taught Elon while simultaneously mastering the double neck pedal steel, the french horn, the oboe and learning how to teach guitar. During this time, she also recorded 7 albums in her bedroom which have already won a 7-way tie for Album of the Year at the 2020 Grammys.
This must be a bit of a challenge for players who like to get right up against the fret.
I love how most of this video is 3 music nerds staring at a fret-board. Adam, Paul, and me!
None of the notes kind of interfear with each other, so it sounds REALLY REALLY crisp and smooth.
"i love your videos!".... "hey thanks i love yours!".... Why don't you two lovers just get a room already!... Lolz!! just joking!...
The tele sounds like crap in comparison, I can't believe my ears.
Oh the clarity of that Strandberg and it's tone is georgeous
sounded like crap. that telel sounds great.
that tele did sound awesome but I lke the strandberg better
Strandbergs are works of art.
0:06 when you're programmed to just play guitar and nothing else
“It almost starts from a too sterile place”. Respect his opinion, but couldn’t disagree more. My biggest issue with guitar has always been the tuning discrepancy.
Same here. I get frustrated by the inconsistencies when I'm playing, and every time they said the chord sounded "weird" I was thinking, "what?? This sounds perfect and how I'd WANT my guitar to sound!"
I know what you mean, but if you hear a chord a million times a certain way, and suddenly it sounds different than you're used to, 'weird' is a word I use ;) But every opinion is valued greatly here on the channel!
This is really cool. I like the sound but was wondering if the true temperament would hold true for alternate tunings, or different gauge strings for that matter?
Chroogomphus yes because math
@@wenisinvietnam elaborate
They partly answer this on their faq. Different gauges are ok, and dropping all strings the same amount is ok, but you shouldn't use a wound third. Alternate tunings won't work as it's designed to make certain keys more in tune than others, and that'll get messed up if you tune each string different amounts.
The frets are as strait as me when I hear Paul speaking in his calm, beautiful voice.
Wai r u gae?
Watching Adam play guitar is the best thing I’ve seen in a while
"No problem. I'll bend it in."
Man it feels good to be a gangster.
sewagedump 😂😂😂lololol
I love your profile pic
Don Hector
A real gangster type player plays his cards right
I listened to a lot of turkish music recently and honestly, both of them sound very good to me.
Slightly different sure. But not weird at all.
There are a lot of Turkish rock bands, Pop music producers rap gods:) Most of them sound great. But yeah it is a bit weird after listening western bands especially who write music in English language and vibes of old western music. I found why is most on the effect of language. In Turkish words there are a lot of use more different voices than English. Such as "ö" a word most of people in earth can't pronounce. When you take hotel california, write Turkish lyrics (not meaningless and doesn't sound divided from beats) transaction between words never matches with song, meaningless space between original chord changes (caused by sound difference, in many Turkish song there are more notes between full notes and sharp notes. Micro tonal ones which I don't know if it is 100% true but those notes can only be noted by Eastern races better.) puts you in a need of different chords to match Turkish words connection while pronouncing. And this adds this weird special vibe for Turkish songs. I dont hate it. Like some but yeah it is weird.
Turkish music is great, but what does it have to do with this video? Was it mentioned? True temperament tuning is not the same as the 15-note system used in Makam and other Middle Eastern music. Are you confusing semitones with perfectly spaced tones?
@@SelfPropelledDestiny I think it's because these frets are reminiscent of a microtonal instrument
Those arpeggios between both guitars, with the subtle difference in intonation sounded sounding at once so beautiful oh my goodness
It's more or less like a chorus effect! Some bands have used that as a sort of studio trick: record two guitars, but have one of them just sliiightly out of tune from the other (and maybe even only certain strings at that). Sounds marvelous. The original recording of Angel's Son by Sevendust did this with the acoustic guitars: ruclips.net/video/56fPSbkzMCI/видео.html
You should see Tolgahan Çoğulu's Microtonal Guitar
Ali Demirbilek
Yes!
Yes Indeed, that was a very interesting project. Imagine being able adjust the frets while playing.
When you hear them played together (same chord) you can hear the sound waves reverberating slightly differently.