SHOOTING 80 YEAR OLD AMMO FROM THE USS INDIANAPOLIS - WILL IT FIRE?
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My grandpa was a surivor of the uss Indianapolis. He passed away last year at 94. They built those men differently. The documentaries based on them are amazing. My grandpa was Richard Thelen
Outstanding 👍
Dick Thelen was great guy. I knew him well. He told me the capoc life preservers they were wearing were good for 72 hours before becoming waterlogged. They were in the water around 96 hours. He said when he was rescued the Pacific Ocean was right up to his lower lip. Those guys were real heroes of the human race.
Rescued by a PBY?
Not just 4 days at sea... 4 days adrift in the water without rafts. I'm a boomer. These young men became our fathers, uncles, and teachers. My everlasting respect and gratitude goes out to these men.
and with the warm shark infested waters (Oceanic white tips) while the oil was burning on top... after they had to survive the explosions and suction from the ship sinking as the water rushed in from where the ship use to be within 12 minutes... crazy to be able to survive that
And as you can see, keeping your mags loaded and stored will not wear out the magazine spring.
Your Papa Ed is a true hero. That man and that ship deserve the utmost respect. Wow, just wow that's some amazing family history.
It's incredible to see ammo from the USS Indianapolis after all these years! This is a great reminder of the bravery and sacrifice of the men who served on that ship.
The ammo itself was not from the USS Indianapolis. Everything went down with the ship when it sank. It is still 80 year old ammo from a survivor of the Indianapolis.
I guess that busts the myth of leaving mags loaded😂
I had ammo older than me for a 22 and it shot better and more reliably than my new aquila ammo also it was old Winchester ammo if curious
@Cappy 4598 I have great luck with Aguilla and even better with CCI. I will say back in the day most 22LR ammo was across the board more reliable than now.
@@UncleDanBand64 I must be the odd duck.. I have a few different 22s.. the only issue I have had was stingers in a semiautomatic kept getting hung up... and federal blue box would cycle my ruger reliably.. they went bang but just wouldn't cycle the next round..
@James Branham The only issues I have had is just bad primers or failure to fire. The old click and no bang. I shoot a ton of Federal Automatch because it is cheap but, maybe a bad primer or two out of a hundred.
@@UncleDanBand64All ammo created today is baseline more reliable and sophisticated than older ammo because of technological developments, even factoring in corporations cutting more corners today. Maybe you just got really lucky and had a lot of good rounds.
Outstanding video guys. I’m retired Navy and really enjoy history of the Navy. Thanks for honoring him and all the men who died on that fateful, historic mission.
Good news is that 30 Carbine was always speced to be non-corrosive, so old ammo isnt going to cause problems.
Robert Shaw's USS Indianapolis speech in Jaws burned this event into the minds of so many.
The greatest moment of a great movie.
I saw it in the theater when I was only seven.
To this day, when it airs on TV, the hairs stand up on my arms when that scene comes up.
One little touch that makes the introduction of Shaw's recitation more powerful is how Richard Dreyfuss is drunkenly giggling right before it starts, then when Shaw says "Mr. Hooper, that's the U.S.S. Indianapolis," he wheezes to a stop from giggling and asks -- suddenly serious and clearly in awe -- "You were on the Indianapolis?"
@@Gunners_Mate_Guns Yeah and the story behind it is great too.
Shaw insisting on doing the take drunk and making a complete mess of it.
Then realising what he'd done and begging Spielberg for another chance.
Then of course he smashes it out of the park and gives us one of the greatest scenes in film history.
Thank you for the bit of history!! (I love my M1 carbine!!)
My uncle was on the Indianapolis and did not survive. The Navy just notified that his remains had been found last year. Amazing that they made the effort to contact families after all that time. Thanks for making this video and keeping the memory of all those who served on the Indianapolis alive!
I don't usually watch this guy's videos but that headline grabbed my attention.
I would most definitely keep a few magazines just for sentimental value
That was great! Back in the late 70's my friend had an '03 Springfield. We fired some WW1 ammo, Ww2 ammo and new commercial ammo. It was bang, BOOM, boom. The WW2 ammo was definitely loaded hot. Great connection to your family.😊 Semper fi
Always a pleasure to see a new video
Definitely subbed. Good Luck on growing your channel!
My Dad carried the M1 Carbine during the war and again during Korea, with the 11th Airborne Division. He became a deputy sheriff in the early 1960s and was able to purchase one through a LEO program, for $50.
I just reread "In Harm's Way" by Doug Stanton. It mostly focuses on the travails of Captain McVay and of course the several days floating in the Pacific after the ship was sunk by two torpedo hits. An amazing story.
I've read that one too! Great book!
Great family history. Old guns and ammo can still bring the heat....just like us old farts.
Tons of respect for your grandfather!
On a side note.
Thanks for proving my point on springs and keeping ammo loaded in magazines for long periods of time.
That was awesome. The history is great and having the ammo still in the magazines is just incredible. I had no doubt they would fire and fire perfectly. Remember, as the young man said. "it's American made". That was a time when American made actually meant something. Things were designed to work and last, not like today when just about everything has an approximate predetermined lifespan. Now things have a 5, 10, 20 year lifespan so we can buy a replacement and the company making the product has built in future revenue. Great video, congratulations.
I've never been much when it comes to reading books. Never had time attention span. I can probably count on one hand the amount of books I've read by choice in my entire life. In Harms Way was one of them back in high school. What an absolute hardcore/heartbreaking story
I just reread it myself.
I worked with a Doctor that flew B-17’s in the war, after reading , In Harms Way, I brought it up too him, only too find out his brother was a survivor of the Indianapolis. I’ll have too pick this book up. As a sailor myself this is one of the most heartbreaking stories ever told.
I was surprised to find out some or alot of the carbine ammo was plated steel case like the .45 auto ammo. I turned up my audio to hear the dialogue here and the firing about blew out the little speakers and hurt my ears. Unless stored perfectly that plated ammo gets crusty. You could resized those antique cases and reload them empty with new ball bullets and make keychains or something.
It seems like the surplus ammo from the war was hotter than the commercial ammo. It at least seemed to have more of a report.
Oh I need to do this to mine. Thanks for the good info!
Hey man,
I just subscribed. Found your channel from the CF podcast. By far the longest podcast I’ve watched but worth every moment! Now to plan a turkey hunting trip.
Grandpa Ed was ready to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And he was all out of bubble gum. RIP
Haha, Righton!
Great video with some awesome history. Boy did he nail the plinkster smile! Love that range, I hope one day I can have something similar to let my little girl shoot her Winchester 121 at.
I’ve shot plenty of old ammo and it works fine.
I have 30 cal ammo for my M1 carbines, from the Korean conflict that I bought back in the 80's. That still shoots at above 97%.
I got 30-06 shells from 1942 they work fine
My pops was aboard the USS IOWA when turret two blew up, crazy little things in life! Also I used to work with a guy named Mike Minter who said his son was your pastor. Small world.
Salute! Respect!
it is nice to see another example of how old ammo can still be relied upon
Old school American made. Everything was meant to last back then. Also what's that about leaving mags loaded?
Mr. Clipazine: I saw your Great-Grandfather's interview on youtube. What a story and what a wonderful testimony of his faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ. He is an inspiring role model for all of us.
Thank you so much! My family and I loved him and know he is with the Lord in glory. He set a great example of what a godly father, grandfather, and great grandfather should be.
I just downloaded Out of the Depths , I look forward to reading it.
Different brand of men back then, and they were boys to me with courage and determination that was impressive. If not for them, we may be speaking a different language now.
That would likely never happen with today's ammo primers, especially with DNNP "green" primers. As far as I'm aware of, all of the ammo used in WWII by all involved was corrosive primer. That itself is fine and it will not hurt anything as long as you make sure to clean afterwards.
That was generally true, except .30 carbine ammo was originally non-corrosive. The reason is simple, the short-stroke gas piston in the M1 Carbine had it's castle nut pinned at the armory, so it isn't cleaned with normal field stripping. You wouldn't want corrosive primers with such a system, it would cause problems really quick under war conditions.
Well that kinda blows the theory of leaving rounds in the magazine for too long screws with the spring and makes the last couple of rounds hard to cycle...
amazing info, good to know 👍 Papa Ed, Thank you for your Service!
I cannot believe the springs in those magazines did not suffer from compression. I had several 30 round AK mags that were Eastern block steel mags that had their Springs ruined just from staying fully loaded for only a few months and I literally had to restretch them out. But 80 years? Those Eastern block magazines I had must have had some pretty garbage Springs in them. I guess I got what I paid for though LOL I remember I got them from a company called "Clearview Investments" which I learned of in the old "Shotgun News Magazine" back in the very early 2000s and they were on sale, you would get four 30rd magazines plus a mag pouch for $14.99, so I bought two sets of magazines. Nowadays you can't even get a single magazine for that price haha. And I also never once had a problem with those magazines. No attaching problems, no feeding problems, nothing, but the Springs did have that one problem a simple stretch of the Springs fixed it.
I would never have fired that ammo, so historic. Semper Fi.
Give it another 20 years, great video guys.
nice to see you, Sharpshooter
That is so cool. I have my Grandpas M1 from ww2 I shoot it once a year on D Day to remember the sacrifices of the greatest generation. I can only imagine shooting the ammo he carried as well so cool
Respect to all the vets god bless them all
The springs don't wear out from being loaded. They wear out from being loaded and unloaded and if you look at the bullet and you don't look at the headstamp I would have guessed they were made just last week. They're not doesn't look discolored or anything as long as they kept dry and it can never dry and by the way, there's a female bow trick shooter named Jennifer Delaney and she was splitting cards the other day. You really ought to check her out and see if you can get make a video with her. Think she's in Texas. It would be a good video if she doesn't shoot the compound. Huge recurve just thought you might want to know. I think I'd make a good video. That's all I got to say about that and y'all have a good day!
Forgot to tell you she was playing cards where their arrows
As long as it was properly stored, it should not be a problem. I have 40 year old 303 British ammo for my 1918 Enfield SMLE MKIII* from MEN in Germany and it fires just fine. No misfires.
At 18 Years old just out of Trade School as a Plumber/Pipe Fitter, My Uncle worked on the Indianapolis the night before it sailed. He was on top of the radar mast installing a special antenna at 1:00am which was 3 or 4 hours before the ship left Pearl for Tinian. During the Installation he could see the docks below when 3 Navy Limos pulled up with several Top brass coming aboard. When he reported to work at 7:00am the ship was gone and nobody ever saw that ship again. My Uncle eventually rose to the level of Chief Planner of the entire Pearl Habor Ship Yard.
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The bloopers are the best
@22plinster what did I win?
Good ole M1 Carbine. Such a criminally underrated home defense option.
I have brick of Remington Mohawk 22 ammo which is about 45 years old and it shoots just like new current ammo and out preformed some of the most popular plinking rounds now available
I have his book and have read it and watched his trips to churches to speak of his book
Don't forget about the shark attacking the Indianapolis!!!!!!
my curiosity and my nostalgia sides are conflicting hard right now
I had 1918 manufactured Turkish 8mm Mauser in the early two thousands that fired fine.
Great video. Thanks to both of you for the demo and History lesson. That is real American History there. Great job and thanks again.
👏👏👏👏👏👏 Amazing.
If falling for this click bait is bad, I don’t wanna’ be right. Good stuff.
RIP Ed. Great video and I may check out that book. Ive had mosin ammo and mauser ammo that was even older in spam cans and they shot just fine...although it was corrosive. Was the ammo you shot corrosive?
Great vid, thx! Is by any chance Paul Harrell family?
Aquired some 1945 L.C. 06 , worked fine in my 43 Garand 😁👌👍
I actually met Edgar Harrell in Indianapolis, Indiana around 2011. I was there for a veterans summit hosted by the Students Veterans of America (SVA) and the hotel that they put us up at was the same hotel that the USS Indianapolis survivors were having their reunion at. He was there with his wife and both of them were very nice. A few weeks after I met Mr. Harrell he mailed me an autographed copy of his book.
Where did you find soft point at, I would buy some if I could. An yes I read the book, sad what those sailors an marines had to go thru for four days stranded at sea. Thx for the vid WHICH EVER PLINKSTER IT WAS.
I have mixed feelings about shooting this particular ammunition, however, truly stoked to see it still fires
US M2 carbine, greatest assault weapon of WWII. Fite me.
Further proof of how magazines work and can be stored loaded indefinitely without worry.
Absolutely awesome gentlemen! Proud to be an American!!!
Thanks for his service
Battle Ready!!!
First of all, I had to give a moment of silence for the men lost in the sinking of the Indianapolis. Such a tragedy, compounded by sharks that took hundreds of survivors from the water, and the slow response by the Navy in looking for the ship when it was overdue on return from its mission to Tinian. If it hadn't been for the vigilance of a single PBY patrol aircraft's crew spotting survivors floating on the open sea, the losses may well have been 100%.
As for the age of the .30 Carbine ammo, I wasn't surprised at all to see it fire normally. I've shot blackpowder ammunition in .44-40 that was well over 100 years old, and it worked just fine. Some of my own handloads have done equally well after more than 30 years in storage in .50 Cal ammo cans. I've also come across "antique" .44 Special (Super X) ammo that looked well care-for, but gave 100% failures to fire. In general, though, ammo is practically immortal, provided that it's kept reasonably cool and dry. Enjoyed your video a lot. Stay safe out there!
As long as the ammunition is stored in a pre-load magazine the ammunition should work just fine. The spring in the magazine wears out after a lot of loading & unloading. That is were the spring looses its tension & causes problems with miss feeds & miss ejections. When I was in the Marine Corps we were firing 30 year old 5.56 rounds with no problems except for the magazine spring being wore out after hundreds of times of being loaded & unloaded.
bought surplus .303 ammo head stamped 1927. Shooting in a Lee-Enfield #4, 2-3 rounds per 10 round clip would hang or be dud. Ammo was purchased loose, with a little corrosion. Cordite stick propellant.
My Dad was a marine in WWII. He served on Guam, Tinian, and Saipan. Tinian was where the bomb was shipped to before the Enola Gay delivered it. My Dad was on a 80mm mortar squad. They were issued the 30 caliber carbine which he fired expert. He loved that rifle.
He was a hero.
I used to work on and now live next to Ft Geo G. Meade Md. WWI ammo buried in 1918 was uncovered while construction of buildings in the area of old shooting ranges. That ammo was buried in wooden boxes not sealed metal ammo cans. The wooden crates were pretty well rotted and the "paper" containers destroyed by moisture, the ammo was for all intent and purposes lying loose in the soil. Had bee exposed to the subsurface elements for many D E C A D E S
ALL THEY TRIED FIRED PERFECTLY AS EXPECTED OF MILITARY AMMO!!!!!!!!!
So much for old ammo. Regarding magazines left loaded not losing spring tension, many Utubes across the past couple decades have already pointed out the fact that such mags still function as intended.
Very cool
I guess this puts not leaving magazines load to bed.
I have the carbine that my uncle Fred carried as a officer for the LBPD.
Awsome my pap was in the fifth division first wave on Iwo Jima then the bombs dropped and he was In Japan for liberation duty
I can't believe how small papa Ed's stack was! Man made it through ww2 with 5 ribbons?
Awards arent given out per the war, but per an individuals actions.
I found a couple of crates of 45 acp dated 1943 so far not a single malfunction or failure to fire
Being under tension isn't what kills springs - it's repeated *cycling* of the springs that does them in. I had *NO* doubt the magazines would function perfectly, and ditto the ammunition. GREAT video. THANK you!
4:40 - Expected the nuke explosion. Haha, I watch too much Kentucky Ballistics.
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but looking to get my first suppressor and am eyeing the dead air mask hd and ea nyx mod 2. Any experience with either and which is quieter? Having a hard time finding db readings for the nyx online.
This video should end any debates about storing your magazines loaded. Would have been interesting to have a chrono there to see if the velocity changed.
That stuff actually has a collector value beyond it’s from from that long ago but from that fated ship that went down and all that surrounded it, after delivering the atomic bomb, it has to have a value beyond shooting it up.
What, a scam, leave these upstanding channels alone.
I'd buy a round just for it's history for my cartridge collection!!
Nice thing about 30 carbine was non corrosive ammo.
An old marine I knew gave me an old army sock with around 30 rounds of ammo in it 45 ammo that dated in the early 1900s before 1920 as I recall it didn't work so well I fired the 2 that I did in a Thompson carbine well the one went off but didn't sound right (Should have stopped there) but nope touched another and then came a little carnage not bad bent the mag a litte and what happened was the first bullet stopped in the barrel a bit more than halfway the next one stuffed itself right up the backside of the first it made a lot of smoke I didn't get hurt the gun being pretty rugged didn't suffer any damage only the mag which was straightened out ok the two bullets stuck in the barrel came out by placing a fiberglass ramrod down the front of the barrel and just pounding them out. No harm done to the barrel thankfully and I had no desire to shoot anymore of that old ammo I did learn something though if the first shot don't sound right stop cause you Never know. I never said anything to the guy I got the ammo from as far as he knew it was still good.
What make is this M1 Carbine? I have an Underwood barrel dated 11/43.
Make sure you clean it well...If im not mistaken that was corrosive ammo.
Respect and honor to your families contributions American freedom 🙏 🇺🇲
My dad was issued an M1 carbine in Vietnam. Got one after he got out. Stubborn old grouch still hasn't let me shoot the thing.
I’m more impressed that the magazines ran after being loaded 80 years
Brass,copper, lead.keep it dry last a long time.😊
Wish you had chronographed the old ammo.
I'd like to know the actual history of that ammo. It obviously didn't go down with the ship or float among the survivors. I'm guessing it was taken off the ship at some point or was stored in an armory somewhere.
I recovered stick powder from 77mm German shell from WW1 left in the open. Once dry, it burned.